I played this again on my radio show. Just think how many do the same or more. The message is spreading. And its a message weve all had before but lost. Always remind people of the good things that will come if they wake up not the approach where you attempt to shock them with all the true stuff goin gon that "scares" them . I mean make it look like its worth starting from the beginnning and learn life again. Integrity is the most beautiful concept on earth.
What the fuck, audience? The heckling was annoying to listen to when I was there, and it is even more annoying to hear in this video. Shut the fuck up and schedule your own speech if you have something to say.
@MoneymakerPokerBoom ONLY if u put your ass to work now. look for anyehere where you can take back liberty. Real Talk, some would disagree, but Ron Paul is a start.
On the above "...fears that we all grew up with" quote, government with corporate/union partners have dumbed down so many people that many if not most aren't even aware of the fears he's talking about. However those fears will actualize as the Ponzi schemes collapse. I see philosophers' present primary challenge being to educate people to see the root cause of the coming collapses rather than believing what failed governments or new governments attempting to rise will scapegoat the failures on.
I think that we will live to see it. I just do, I have that feeling ya know, I feel like with how bad it's going to be very soon will make way for all of the libertarian ideas to come into view! :)
@KneelingAtlas The heavy hitters of Utopian anarchy you mean, not liberty. They should separate from the liberty movement and let those of us who live on this planet pursue limited government, which I know the man-children insist is impossible - I'm not convinced. We don't have enough data to say that. Govt expanded very intentionally after the Progressive and Marxist movements took hold in academia, press and the elite in society, not via some unseen, inexorable force. Wake up and grow up.
You want to tell me where you clarified yourself? Do you own guns? Your comments are the same as those who would disarm us. The tenor and tone of your comments act as if the guns are responsible for our ills not the people who misuse them. It is like you are advocating a society like England, Australia, or even Japan. Do guns there.
@Michaelbenoit7 This is one of many cases in which Stef wants it both ways. He really is a pacifist (a completely immoral position) but knows that position has nothing to do with liberty, so he is circumspect about it most of the time. But after a few beers, he gets carried away and the truth comes out. Fine, he's a pacifist and an anarchist -THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A LIBERTARIAN, WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT? He should separate himself from the libertarian movement.
@glennd7962 They have this fuzzy idea that one should never initiate force which is some other universe. This universe is made up of initiation and responsive force. The question is when should force be initiated or responded. I debated Larken Rose regarding anarchy.
@Michaelbenoit7 And in fact, using force at a certain point may be the MOST moral choice, so any one who takes that choice off the table is defacto not able to act in the most moral way in a given circumstance. Even worse relying on 'emergent orders' to protect liberty is just silly from a scientific perspective. Emergent orders by their very nature unpredictable (and if you don't understand this, stop talking about them), and as such may or may not protect liberty. Stef maintains good wins, lol
@Girls4RonPaul oops sorry you alredady corrected yourself. Not that I knew the right answer tho. Just wonder what americans think when they hear that woithout the state and police words. well hell they will be offended by anything. I think presenting the concept of liberty to someone, you should get in their shoes first and know ahat to touch upon then.
its so hard to stand in argentina....I live in some kind of dark age of statismt...there is no light here man, everybody lives in a sadic way of mental slavery
@Rapeliums So sorry to hear that. And Argentina adopted a copy of the U.S. constitution at one point - just shows how culture and individual action can override any kind of order or ideals. Come to America - even with all our problems, we still have much promise!
Listen we NEED a cult hero to help establish some sough of equilibrium; it's a terribly disconcerting time we live in SO STOP HATING. Oh and FUCK your inanities. Directed at glennd7962
@wisdomtrek Lol, YOU may need a hero, just like the lefties now have Obama. I focus on Stefan's ideas and I disagree with most of them. I also am repulsed by how relentlessly self promoting he is, and his superficial treatment of many ideas. That he does so in a breezy and presumptuous way adds no weight to his arguments. Finally, his amatuerish approach to philosophy is a minority viewpoint in libertarian circles - we are not all anarchists. Anarchy isn't liberty. Wake up.
@glennd7962 - Obama, who's proposing the complete elimination of Social Security and Medicaire, is a "lefty?" Obama, who whole endorses and seeks to expand the Bush Tax Cuts, is a "lefty?" Get real! Not even BUSH could get away with that shit! But I do agree that anarchy isn't liberty. Especially their particular brand of Ayn Rand anarchy. It's actually slavery, but none of the anarchists want to see that.
@wisdomtrek You may need a hero, I do not. And if I did, I wouldn't pick Stef. I know he means well, but he's taking the actual libertarian movement into a ditch with his sophistry. Too bad, imagine if he advocated for a state of existence that was actually possible to achieve, one that would protect liberty for all - he would be real star. But instead, he argues for Utopia (exactly the word he used). Utopia is axiomatically a state we can't achieve. Wake up. grow up and get a clue.
And the bald headed wonder moves on to phase 2 of his inanity - launching himself as a cult leader. LO phucking L. Pacifism is an immoral stance. His belief that we can transform human nature has been tried and has failed every time. To think that good will prevail without force is mental masturbation. Grow up man-children, and throw off the yoke of your new messiah. He's just as false as the last one.
When has peaceful parenting and lateral social pressure been used to encourage multi-generational change, and failed? Also, when has he ever said we can "transform human nature"? Also, when has he ever suggested that force should never be used (absolute pacifism). I believe he accepts what has been called 'porcupine pacifism'. He is, after all, speaking at porcfest, which is named after porcupine pacifism.
@somecomputergeek I'm well aware of Mr. Molyeneux's pretensions on a wide variety of topics. Perhaps you haven't noticed that we are violent with each other? That in fact, we use all kinds of coercion in our lives. Amongst many other things, Stefan proposes to eliminate that via different parenting. Lol, it's just so freaking pathetic. Fyi, I've raised a daughter with smashing success. What he speaks of a nice idea, but it's not a movement. Wake up, listen to some academics, forget him.
@glennd7962 Are you telling people to not use Stef as a source of inspiration for their protest against violence? Because I don't see people seeing Stef as anything other than that. The sort of leader anyone in this movement needs is just one of inspiration, since people are the one's who make the real change. Are you saying people ought not protest against violence? I'm having a terrible time figuring out just what is the point of your post.
@ForOrAgainstUs What I'm saying is that pacifism and anarchy aren't libertarianism. They are both Utopian ideas that are fun to read about, but have no bearing on reality. Remember, PorcFest is a libertarian celebration - or is supposed to be. That doesn't in any way demand pacifism or anarchy, and in fact the true lights of the libertarian movement such as Hayek, Mises and others utterly rejected anarchy.
Minarchism is a self-deluding fraud. You are just watered down version of full blown statists, who have no rational defense against growth of government interference in other spheres of everyday life, since your entire defense of any kind of government is purely selective, irrational and hypocritical. You have no rational defense for subjectivist cherry picking of things for a monopoly of violence to fund through forcible taxation.
If you truly believe that anarchism is not liberty, my advise to you is to AT LEAST stop fooling yourself by pretending there is a rational basis for a "minimal" state. You either oppose the whole concept of a monopoly on violence, or you support it. But there is no supporting it "a little". There is no logical argument that allows you to draw a convenient line where it benefits minarchists the most. America's history should have opened your eyes about "checks and balances".
All you have to do with a minarchist, is from a logical standpoint ask them how they draw a line at police, courts, army and roads, and not with schools, healthcare, pollution or food safety. Where is the alleged rational explanation that government is best equipped for some of these, but not the others. And then they can explain why taxation or outlawing competition for government is fine, so long as it is supported by "small" statists instead of "big" statists.
Even Ayn Rand, that "rational" juggernaut, could not respond to claims that if there must be a final arbiter between citizens WITHIN a country (or there'd be a war of all against all), then there also MUST be a final arbiter BETWEEN countries, or there'd be a war of all countries against all. Of course, she was against world government. But rather than respond to this blatant logical inconsistency, she instead opted to purge her Objectivist circle of those who questioned her.
@tridentmovies - There is no logical argument to support the idea that "anarchy is true liberty." Every argument you've put forward, when run through even the most basic simulations, demonstrate that anarchy is in fact slavery. Your choices are "WORK OR DIE." But somehow, this is "non-violent." If I said "GIVE ME YOUR MONEY OR DIE" you would not call that "choice" or "voluntary." But when it's put in a "capitalist" context, you're all for "choice." Fuck you, idiot!
I was willing to respond to you in an ordinary fashion, but your last words clearly prove that i'm dealing with a braindead moron who is not remotely interested in an open discussion, and is never going to change his mind no matter the argument. So my response to you, is to not waste any time or energy on you and just tell you to go fuck yourself instead.
Other people can think about the idea that having to labor for your own food is considered "slavery" by this fuckwit.
Apparently, reality-proof assholes think you can live without having to labor for it. Then again, from collectivist parasitical fuck wads you could expect no different brain disease than to think "work or die" is anything other than how FUCKING REALITY works.
They know no different than big brother will magically make bread and clothes appear from another dimension, without ANYONE having to WORK FOR IT.
@tridentmovies Nothing you say is "true", you realize that, yes? It's mostly speculation based on some philosophy. A little taste of reason for you. The growth of our initially limited govt came due to a change in thinking of our elites, who fell for progressivism and marxism like swooning virgins. They grew govt very intentionally, via top down edicts. There is no reason to assume that it can't be reversed with different ideas taking hold in the elite parts of our society.
@tridentmovies Try to get this one point. Anarchism and "liberty" are mutually exclusive ideas. Under anarchy, there may be a system for protecting my rights, and it's also possible that there won't be. It's axiomatic if you understand emergent orders from a scientific perspective. In an anarchic world there is no way to standardize these rights across non-local groups and no independent arbiter of those rights. Hence, there is no liberty. It might work out well for some, but not for all.
@tridentmovies (cont'd) Under what I think of as liberty, basic rights to property and the enforcement of contracts are available to all, and apply to all. It's the necessary and sufficient condition required for liberty, not some "nice to have". Under anarchy, no such basic social contract exists. Now you can argue lots of other points about the inexorable march of statism and how badly our rights are circumscribed now, but none of that addresses the flaw I point out above. Wake up and grow up.
@tridentmovies - You offer no defense against corporatism or feudalism arising from you're so-called "free market." We have two landlords. One charges 10 gold to enter his land. The other charges 8. One charges 196 gold per week to live there, the other 180. But the higher priced landlord pays you one gold per hour to work on his land, while the other pays 22 gold per day. You must also buy food, energy and healthcare. Most landlords are comparable. What choose you?
@tridentmovies I've read the anarchist line of reasoning - as articulated by Rothbard and others, not the bald-wonder. It's full of holes, and isn't supported by world class thinkers like Mises and Hayek. For you to pretend that one must come to the stateless conclusion if one loves liberty, you are simply dishonest and ignorant. It is you who holds the completely unproved viewpoint. If you actually understand anarchy, the best you can say is that liberty might be protected under anarchy.
@glennd7962 (cont'd) That is if you actually understand emergent properties. They are by their very nature unpredictable. Orders emerge all the time - you can see order emerging in Somalia - while millions starve to death. That a form of liberty would emerge for some people is probably right. But huge problems exist with trying to implement any set of basic protections for property and contract under anarchy. All intelligent anarchists understand this. It's not debatable, it's simply the truth.
You are spewing nothing but logical fallacies and assertions, not arguments. Your "appeal to authority" by namedropping people like Hayek (and ignoring that he is in favor of welfare) is completely unimpressive. Am i supposed to be spellbound by names? Try again, with a REAL argument. Furthermore, you calling people "dishonest and ignorant" is ad hominem, again NOT an argument. Jesus Christ, if this is your level of reasoning then i'm not surprised you believe in "small government".
May i give you one advise? "Disproving" something because it has not yet existed is a logical fallacy. It is completely against the interest of power elites to ever ALLOW it is to exist. It being impossible from a logical standpoint has nothing to do with it. Furthermore, at one point democracy had never been "proven" either, and look at the world now. By your logical reasoning, the world would remain totally stagnant because all that is yet "unproven" is erroneous.
P.S. Congratulations on ignoring the total contradiction and inconsistency about small government being pro-liberty.
That's like saying that both being chained to the wall, and completely unchained are undesirable, and the best way to be free is to be tied to a 10 feet rope in the backyard.
Or maybe a better one is that while gang raping a girl is repugnant, so is leaving her alone altogether, and the best thing is just to force yourself on a girl without inviting your friends.
Respond to this video... Menger, Bastiat, Hayek, Mises - you know, real thinkers, not posers. As for my criticism of Pacifism on moral grounds - it is an immoral stance - there are a number of real philosophers and other intellectuals who've laid out this line of reasoning. Essentially, there are moral circumstances when using violence is the 'most moral' choice versus not using violence. Burke said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing".
He supported welfare. Libertarians don't support government welfare. Just by being in favor of welfare of any kind he has proven to be a completely random, subjective "thinker" (stupid appeal to authority fallacy) that is inconsistent in principles, and thus easily dismissed by big government statists. They will say "even Hayek was in favor of welfare", and they'd be right. So much for Hayek as a libertarian hero against the welfare state.
@tridentmovies - You do not support welfare. Instead, you support slavery. You would not object if a "private land owner" had "favorites" that lived off YOUR rent money. But you do object when a government helps those that can show they have a need with YOUR tax money. That's a hypocritical stance of the highest magnitude. You'll say "I can make a voluntary contract with the landholder," but this is not always the case. Think it through before you spew garbage! Please, THINK!
Strawman. You are not even smart enough to dissect the contents of your own brain, let alone mine.
You would chain people to a "service" of WORKING and producing wealth for others. How the fuck else would those others be fed and clothed, you dumbass? SOMEONE has to work for them. You don't oppose "work or die". You just apply this ridiculous and pathetic nonsense selectively and support ACTUAL slavery. You are just too brain damaged by collectivist propaganda to get it.
You didn't answer any of my questions. In fact, your entire comment seems to consist only of a bunch of red herrings meant to avoid the questions. I don't use aggressive violence, as you suggest.
@glennd7962 you sound like the passive aggressive type. Also you're argument is incredibly ambiguous and your thesis is paradoxical. I suggest you stop "listening to some academics" and begin studying and debating logic and reasoning instead. FYI human nature is pure potential, meaning violence and coercion in human behaviour is extrinsic (pretty much optional, not inherent)
@terracottaheart Lol, if you are somehow claiming that Pacifism is morally superior, you have an argument with many great thinkers. As for your positing that human nature is "pure potential", you have been watching far too much Stefan. That is an opinion, one that I don't share and in that I have good company from the worlds anthropologists, psychologists and sociologists. We still have a limbic brain, still are animals, and still have to face force with greater force in order to surmount it.
@terracottaheart When did I say Pacifism is morally superior? And when does Stephan say human nature is pure potential? I believe that, I didn't deduce this from Stephan. You believe human nature is intrinsically violent when that is not the case. I understand history and personal experience can sometimes point in the other direction, but solving our problems with violence is wrong. Also pacifism only mean opting for nonviolence; when faced with a fight I will defend myself and my values.
No, that is not what pacifism means. Pacifism means turning the other cheek. Pacifism means what Ghandi did and said. It means you would rather die without striking a blow, even in self-defense. Just because you're not initiating violence does not make you a pacifist. There is a certain strand within libertarianism called pacifist libertarianism, that advocated that even self-defense is morally wrong. Look up Robert LeFevre on Wikipedia and see what that means.
@cherokeedoll1 He never speaks of guns being the problem! You missed the message, he speaks of the state being the problem! At 13 minutes he tries to explain "gunless" as meaning the government's guns. This means that the state will no longer have a gun at your head to force its taxes on you and if you don't pay,its prisons. You must be new to watching Stefan speak because he is all for personal liberty,including gun ownership. What he is against is the state and its monopoly of violence.
@REVOLUTION2016 I just heard him say ""We dont need the Fu**** guns to make the world a better place,,the guns will make it worse always"" Maybe he wasnt speaking of fun ownership for personal protection,,but thats what it sounded like to me. Maybe he should have made it more clear.
@REVOLUTION2016 I just heard him say ""We dont need the Fu**** guns to make the world a better place,,the guns will make it worse always"" Maybe he wasnt speaking of gun ownership for personal protection,,but thats what it sounded like to me. Maybe he should have made it more clear.
@REVOLUTION2016 - If you demand the respect of property rights, and the rights of a person who owns property to dictate how others can use their property, you support government. LANDLORDS are your government. And you don't necessarily get to choose them. Think about it. Stop running on automatic. Quit salivating at the sound of the bell. Think are you too brainwashed to do that?
I forget. You want to live as a slave to some rich master. Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll hate it.
Yeah I've wondered before what Stefan would think of a resource based economy. Is he aware of the existance of Jaques Fresco, and also Peter Joseph's Zeitgeists documentary's.
@PullTheTricker He is aware, and last time I checked he said it is marxism with robots. If that is his belief I respect it, I just wonder what kind of economy he thinks will create the world he wants if not one that manages earth's resources directly.
@sonofagunM357 No, New Hampshire, but I will be speaking in New York Sep 10 2011, at the Liberty Fest 2, with Tom Woods, Peter Schiff, Adam Kokesh and other greats! :)
Who else but Sref could make such a speech of really high, noble, moral tone in such a setting? Is it unrealistic? Well, when is "visionary" not "unrealistic"? We need the far-sighted moral visionaries, like poor old humanity has always needed them - real bad.
Currently there is no global awareness like many seem to believe. Like 10% of people are aware of corruption. We are in the minority I wouldn't expect any changes anytime soon.
Like the wise native americans said. ''Only when the last tree has been cut, the last fish has been caught and the last river has been poisened... only then will we realise we cannot eat money''
Jesus said these same things over 2k yrs ago. This is the fruit. This is our nourishment to take from. This will be our future whether our government terrorists want it or not. Evil WILL perish! We are still here
Imagine how the internet would have assisted past revolutions! They would have all happened faster, for one thing. And for all those who think that they can't make a difference or their voice can't be heard: YOU HAVE THE INTERNET, a near-perfect tool for spreading ideas and information. There is little excuse to stand idle in the sidelines when so much needs to be said.
@rjnrf Nothing one does is selfless. Stef made mention "everybody in this room is going to have a f'en free private school named after them". That doesn't seem to me to be a selfless mindset. Ego is a mother f'er. "Power corrupts and absolute ............ " Lord Acton.
@ShadowCrowX for millions of years, since the beginning of the Hominid species, there have been tribes of people, killing other tribes of people. we have fought over land, food and resources and over silly notions of "my god doesnt like you...now die!". you think a government created evil? "the state" is merely a symptom of mankind's evil nature, fighting its good nature. you eliminate the state and you still have the other problems to work out.
@emperorkang The reason Humans not only survived but fluorished into the billions is because the peaceful, cooperative, loving side of humanity is dominate. Yes we'll much evolution of ethics until that peaceful side is honored and understood as far more effective than hate. Governments are a symptom of the fearful, hateful emotions that have been nurtured and stimulated by those who wanted power through the ages: the pharoahs, kings, clergy, and secular tyrants.
@ShadowCrowX I'm not for eliminating religion entirely, just take away most of what powers it already has. let religion remain as it was intended: a spiritual guidance.
Nice to see some externalized FIRE from Stef, all while still being hopeful. That may actually be the key to it folks.
physicalgenius 2 months ago
I played this again on my radio show. Just think how many do the same or more. The message is spreading. And its a message weve all had before but lost. Always remind people of the good things that will come if they wake up not the approach where you attempt to shock them with all the true stuff goin gon that "scares" them . I mean make it look like its worth starting from the beginnning and learn life again. Integrity is the most beautiful concept on earth.
Girls4RonPaul 4 months ago 2
What the fuck, audience? The heckling was annoying to listen to when I was there, and it is even more annoying to hear in this video. Shut the fuck up and schedule your own speech if you have something to say.
OhMyGoog 4 months ago in playlist OhMyGoog's favorites
Fuck yeah!
rockstarofredondo 4 months ago
Great speech
fucking alcohol XD
SlipAllCityToy 5 months ago
Stefan, you have lit a fire inside of me! Thank you so much for helping me to understand what freedom really means! I love you, brother!
munkyusm 6 months ago 8
Stef after a few Johnny Walker Blacks is a pretty cool dude.
theDHC 6 months ago 2
im 20 ,would i live to see it?
MoneymakerPokerBoom 6 months ago 2
@MoneymakerPokerBoom ONLY if u put your ass to work now. look for anyehere where you can take back liberty. Real Talk, some would disagree, but Ron Paul is a start.
iamundergrace 6 months ago
First speech on booze? Nailed it.
Nawksy 6 months ago 4
On the above "...fears that we all grew up with" quote, government with corporate/union partners have dumbed down so many people that many if not most aren't even aware of the fears he's talking about. However those fears will actualize as the Ponzi schemes collapse. I see philosophers' present primary challenge being to educate people to see the root cause of the coming collapses rather than believing what failed governments or new governments attempting to rise will scapegoat the failures on.
petewalker274 6 months ago 2
I would be running out of the room with my hand on my revolver if I didnt knew where Stefan was comming from. Matrix speech gone wrong haha.
erdal0 6 months ago
Sh..t thats was awsome
euzebiogb 6 months ago
@blackphonetic1 lmao yea i saw that too... shiiiiiii'
informationwarfare 6 months ago
I think that we will live to see it. I just do, I have that feeling ya know, I feel like with how bad it's going to be very soon will make way for all of the libertarian ideas to come into view! :)
rg37 6 months ago
Amazing speech my friend. Inspiring and earth renewing.
BrainInSkull 7 months ago
I was so touched when you said "A world without war". Yes, that is the dream.
Zerafinel 7 months ago
i wish the crowd would be quiet and let him talk.
kelpop12 7 months ago
I like to see Larken Rose sitting behind Stef; the heavy hitters of liberty all lined up.
KneelingAtlas 7 months ago
@KneelingAtlas The heavy hitters of Utopian anarchy you mean, not liberty. They should separate from the liberty movement and let those of us who live on this planet pursue limited government, which I know the man-children insist is impossible - I'm not convinced. We don't have enough data to say that. Govt expanded very intentionally after the Progressive and Marxist movements took hold in academia, press and the elite in society, not via some unseen, inexorable force. Wake up and grow up.
glennd7962 7 months ago
You want to tell me where you clarified yourself? Do you own guns? Your comments are the same as those who would disarm us. The tenor and tone of your comments act as if the guns are responsible for our ills not the people who misuse them. It is like you are advocating a society like England, Australia, or even Japan. Do guns there.
Michaelbenoit7 7 months ago
@Michaelbenoit7 do u understand what a metaphor is?
fps0chris 7 months ago
@Michaelbenoit7 This is one of many cases in which Stef wants it both ways. He really is a pacifist (a completely immoral position) but knows that position has nothing to do with liberty, so he is circumspect about it most of the time. But after a few beers, he gets carried away and the truth comes out. Fine, he's a pacifist and an anarchist -THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A LIBERTARIAN, WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT? He should separate himself from the libertarian movement.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962 They have this fuzzy idea that one should never initiate force which is some other universe. This universe is made up of initiation and responsive force. The question is when should force be initiated or responded. I debated Larken Rose regarding anarchy.
Michaelbenoit7 7 months ago
@Michaelbenoit7 And in fact, using force at a certain point may be the MOST moral choice, so any one who takes that choice off the table is defacto not able to act in the most moral way in a given circumstance. Even worse relying on 'emergent orders' to protect liberty is just silly from a scientific perspective. Emergent orders by their very nature unpredictable (and if you don't understand this, stop talking about them), and as such may or may not protect liberty. Stef maintains good wins, lol
glennd7962 7 months ago
If you put down the guns everyone will be beautiful, lol
Michaelbenoit7 7 months ago 5
@Michaelbenoit7 The guns of the state, as I clarified in the speech. If people want to keep personal guns, that's fine by me :)
stefbot 7 months ago 12
@stefbot In a bit of humor, if all governments sold all their weapons, could those governments remain violent? Or would they subsist upon obedience?
orthzar 7 months ago
@Michaelbenoit7 You've got guts to nitpicking Mike, I've seen your videos...
KneelingAtlas 7 months ago
@Michaelbenoit7 how bout the state puts them down first...
Girls4RonPaul 4 months ago
@Girls4RonPaul oops sorry you alredady corrected yourself. Not that I knew the right answer tho. Just wonder what americans think when they hear that woithout the state and police words. well hell they will be offended by anything. I think presenting the concept of liberty to someone, you should get in their shoes first and know ahat to touch upon then.
Girls4RonPaul 4 months ago
Put down the guns and people flower into peaceful communities. He should put a sign on his property saying we have put down the guns.
Michaelbenoit7 7 months ago
If we put down the guns humanity rises??????????
Michaelbenoit7 7 months ago
Great speech!!
TheStuhero 7 months ago
The lighting sucks ass!
TheStuhero 7 months ago
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Please explain how you see it as a battle of good and evil?
erbeeflower 7 months ago
lol, "bit of alcohol in me"
atrickpay11 7 months ago
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SneakySockPuppet 7 months ago
@SneakySockPuppet sure is
pretorious700 7 months ago
@SneakySockPuppet yes. larken rose as well...ernie hancock, etc
atrickpay11 7 months ago
I love looking at Larken Rose's face during this speech. He seems to be emitting a true sense of appreciation for stef's speech.
TheCapitalistdog 7 months ago
Please explain how you see it as a battle of good and evil?
erbeeflower 7 months ago
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STEFFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnn!!!!!!
MarkoVojvodic84 7 months ago
@MerulaMondlicht No wonder at all no
Caligula0708 7 months ago
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because we can SEE it - IT WILL BE HERE!
Beatnuk 7 months ago
Bunch of drunken porcupines. Embarrassing.
TerrierBram 7 months ago 6
@TerrierBram This sick society in which we live drives us to the drink. I'm sure the people of the future will understand.
GoogleVideoMan 6 months ago
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@GoogleVideoMan People in the future will understand that the American dream was a dream.
TerrierBram 6 months ago
I thought you didn't drink? Just curious :-)
Wesker1982 7 months ago
its so hard to stand in argentina....I live in some kind of dark age of statismt...there is no light here man, everybody lives in a sadic way of mental slavery
Rapeliums 7 months ago
@Rapeliums So sorry to hear that. And Argentina adopted a copy of the U.S. constitution at one point - just shows how culture and individual action can override any kind of order or ideals. Come to America - even with all our problems, we still have much promise!
glennd7962 7 months ago
good god you guys were wasted!
whippoorwillss 7 months ago
Listen we NEED a cult hero to help establish some sough of equilibrium; it's a terribly disconcerting time we live in SO STOP HATING. Oh and FUCK your inanities. Directed at glennd7962
wisdomtrek 7 months ago
@wisdomtrek Lol, YOU may need a hero, just like the lefties now have Obama. I focus on Stefan's ideas and I disagree with most of them. I also am repulsed by how relentlessly self promoting he is, and his superficial treatment of many ideas. That he does so in a breezy and presumptuous way adds no weight to his arguments. Finally, his amatuerish approach to philosophy is a minority viewpoint in libertarian circles - we are not all anarchists. Anarchy isn't liberty. Wake up.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962 - Obama, who's proposing the complete elimination of Social Security and Medicaire, is a "lefty?" Obama, who whole endorses and seeks to expand the Bush Tax Cuts, is a "lefty?" Get real! Not even BUSH could get away with that shit! But I do agree that anarchy isn't liberty. Especially their particular brand of Ayn Rand anarchy. It's actually slavery, but none of the anarchists want to see that.
LeksServices 7 months ago
@glennd7962 I am glad that you are cognizant of all you said.
Michaelbenoit7 7 months ago
@wisdomtrek You may need a hero, I do not. And if I did, I wouldn't pick Stef. I know he means well, but he's taking the actual libertarian movement into a ditch with his sophistry. Too bad, imagine if he advocated for a state of existence that was actually possible to achieve, one that would protect liberty for all - he would be real star. But instead, he argues for Utopia (exactly the word he used). Utopia is axiomatically a state we can't achieve. Wake up. grow up and get a clue.
glennd7962 7 months ago
Good man!
mark32811 7 months ago
And the bald headed wonder moves on to phase 2 of his inanity - launching himself as a cult leader. LO phucking L. Pacifism is an immoral stance. His belief that we can transform human nature has been tried and has failed every time. To think that good will prevail without force is mental masturbation. Grow up man-children, and throw off the yoke of your new messiah. He's just as false as the last one.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962
When has peaceful parenting and lateral social pressure been used to encourage multi-generational change, and failed? Also, when has he ever said we can "transform human nature"? Also, when has he ever suggested that force should never be used (absolute pacifism). I believe he accepts what has been called 'porcupine pacifism'. He is, after all, speaking at porcfest, which is named after porcupine pacifism.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
@somecomputergeek I'm well aware of Mr. Molyeneux's pretensions on a wide variety of topics. Perhaps you haven't noticed that we are violent with each other? That in fact, we use all kinds of coercion in our lives. Amongst many other things, Stefan proposes to eliminate that via different parenting. Lol, it's just so freaking pathetic. Fyi, I've raised a daughter with smashing success. What he speaks of a nice idea, but it's not a movement. Wake up, listen to some academics, forget him.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962 Are you telling people to not use Stef as a source of inspiration for their protest against violence? Because I don't see people seeing Stef as anything other than that. The sort of leader anyone in this movement needs is just one of inspiration, since people are the one's who make the real change. Are you saying people ought not protest against violence? I'm having a terrible time figuring out just what is the point of your post.
ForOrAgainstUs 7 months ago
@ForOrAgainstUs What I'm saying is that pacifism and anarchy aren't libertarianism. They are both Utopian ideas that are fun to read about, but have no bearing on reality. Remember, PorcFest is a libertarian celebration - or is supposed to be. That doesn't in any way demand pacifism or anarchy, and in fact the true lights of the libertarian movement such as Hayek, Mises and others utterly rejected anarchy.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962
Minarchism is a self-deluding fraud. You are just watered down version of full blown statists, who have no rational defense against growth of government interference in other spheres of everyday life, since your entire defense of any kind of government is purely selective, irrational and hypocritical. You have no rational defense for subjectivist cherry picking of things for a monopoly of violence to fund through forcible taxation.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies
If you truly believe that anarchism is not liberty, my advise to you is to AT LEAST stop fooling yourself by pretending there is a rational basis for a "minimal" state. You either oppose the whole concept of a monopoly on violence, or you support it. But there is no supporting it "a little". There is no logical argument that allows you to draw a convenient line where it benefits minarchists the most. America's history should have opened your eyes about "checks and balances".
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies
All you have to do with a minarchist, is from a logical standpoint ask them how they draw a line at police, courts, army and roads, and not with schools, healthcare, pollution or food safety. Where is the alleged rational explanation that government is best equipped for some of these, but not the others. And then they can explain why taxation or outlawing competition for government is fine, so long as it is supported by "small" statists instead of "big" statists.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies
Even Ayn Rand, that "rational" juggernaut, could not respond to claims that if there must be a final arbiter between citizens WITHIN a country (or there'd be a war of all against all), then there also MUST be a final arbiter BETWEEN countries, or there'd be a war of all countries against all. Of course, she was against world government. But rather than respond to this blatant logical inconsistency, she instead opted to purge her Objectivist circle of those who questioned her.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies - There is no logical argument to support the idea that "anarchy is true liberty." Every argument you've put forward, when run through even the most basic simulations, demonstrate that anarchy is in fact slavery. Your choices are "WORK OR DIE." But somehow, this is "non-violent." If I said "GIVE ME YOUR MONEY OR DIE" you would not call that "choice" or "voluntary." But when it's put in a "capitalist" context, you're all for "choice." Fuck you, idiot!
LeksServices 7 months ago
@LeksServices
I was willing to respond to you in an ordinary fashion, but your last words clearly prove that i'm dealing with a braindead moron who is not remotely interested in an open discussion, and is never going to change his mind no matter the argument. So my response to you, is to not waste any time or energy on you and just tell you to go fuck yourself instead.
Other people can think about the idea that having to labor for your own food is considered "slavery" by this fuckwit.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies
Apparently, reality-proof assholes think you can live without having to labor for it. Then again, from collectivist parasitical fuck wads you could expect no different brain disease than to think "work or die" is anything other than how FUCKING REALITY works.
They know no different than big brother will magically make bread and clothes appear from another dimension, without ANYONE having to WORK FOR IT.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies Nothing you say is "true", you realize that, yes? It's mostly speculation based on some philosophy. A little taste of reason for you. The growth of our initially limited govt came due to a change in thinking of our elites, who fell for progressivism and marxism like swooning virgins. They grew govt very intentionally, via top down edicts. There is no reason to assume that it can't be reversed with different ideas taking hold in the elite parts of our society.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962 SAID:
"Nothing you say is 'true', you realize that, yes?"
So, what YOU'RE saying isn't true either I guess.
"Anarchism and 'liberty' are mutually exclusive ideas."
GOVT. and liberty are mutually exclusive ideas, since a govt. CAN'T exist w/o having the power to VIOLATE peoples' liberty/freedom.
"It might work out well for some, but not for all."
W/govt it works out for NO ONE, since EVERYONE is subject to having their freedoms taken by govt.
Game, set, match!
ashane77 7 months ago
@tridentmovies Try to get this one point. Anarchism and "liberty" are mutually exclusive ideas. Under anarchy, there may be a system for protecting my rights, and it's also possible that there won't be. It's axiomatic if you understand emergent orders from a scientific perspective. In an anarchic world there is no way to standardize these rights across non-local groups and no independent arbiter of those rights. Hence, there is no liberty. It might work out well for some, but not for all.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@tridentmovies (cont'd) Under what I think of as liberty, basic rights to property and the enforcement of contracts are available to all, and apply to all. It's the necessary and sufficient condition required for liberty, not some "nice to have". Under anarchy, no such basic social contract exists. Now you can argue lots of other points about the inexorable march of statism and how badly our rights are circumscribed now, but none of that addresses the flaw I point out above. Wake up and grow up.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@tridentmovies - You offer no defense against corporatism or feudalism arising from you're so-called "free market." We have two landlords. One charges 10 gold to enter his land. The other charges 8. One charges 196 gold per week to live there, the other 180. But the higher priced landlord pays you one gold per hour to work on his land, while the other pays 22 gold per day. You must also buy food, energy and healthcare. Most landlords are comparable. What choose you?
LeksServices 7 months ago
@tridentmovies I've read the anarchist line of reasoning - as articulated by Rothbard and others, not the bald-wonder. It's full of holes, and isn't supported by world class thinkers like Mises and Hayek. For you to pretend that one must come to the stateless conclusion if one loves liberty, you are simply dishonest and ignorant. It is you who holds the completely unproved viewpoint. If you actually understand anarchy, the best you can say is that liberty might be protected under anarchy.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962 (cont'd) That is if you actually understand emergent properties. They are by their very nature unpredictable. Orders emerge all the time - you can see order emerging in Somalia - while millions starve to death. That a form of liberty would emerge for some people is probably right. But huge problems exist with trying to implement any set of basic protections for property and contract under anarchy. All intelligent anarchists understand this. It's not debatable, it's simply the truth.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962
You are spewing nothing but logical fallacies and assertions, not arguments. Your "appeal to authority" by namedropping people like Hayek (and ignoring that he is in favor of welfare) is completely unimpressive. Am i supposed to be spellbound by names? Try again, with a REAL argument. Furthermore, you calling people "dishonest and ignorant" is ad hominem, again NOT an argument. Jesus Christ, if this is your level of reasoning then i'm not surprised you believe in "small government".
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies
May i give you one advise? "Disproving" something because it has not yet existed is a logical fallacy. It is completely against the interest of power elites to ever ALLOW it is to exist. It being impossible from a logical standpoint has nothing to do with it. Furthermore, at one point democracy had never been "proven" either, and look at the world now. By your logical reasoning, the world would remain totally stagnant because all that is yet "unproven" is erroneous.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies
P.S. Congratulations on ignoring the total contradiction and inconsistency about small government being pro-liberty.
That's like saying that both being chained to the wall, and completely unchained are undesirable, and the best way to be free is to be tied to a 10 feet rope in the backyard.
Or maybe a better one is that while gang raping a girl is repugnant, so is leaving her alone altogether, and the best thing is just to force yourself on a girl without inviting your friends.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
Respond to this video... Menger, Bastiat, Hayek, Mises - you know, real thinkers, not posers. As for my criticism of Pacifism on moral grounds - it is an immoral stance - there are a number of real philosophers and other intellectuals who've laid out this line of reasoning. Essentially, there are moral circumstances when using violence is the 'most moral' choice versus not using violence. Burke said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing".
glennd7962 7 months ago
@glennd7962
Hayek was not a libertarian.
He supported welfare. Libertarians don't support government welfare. Just by being in favor of welfare of any kind he has proven to be a completely random, subjective "thinker" (stupid appeal to authority fallacy) that is inconsistent in principles, and thus easily dismissed by big government statists. They will say "even Hayek was in favor of welfare", and they'd be right. So much for Hayek as a libertarian hero against the welfare state.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@tridentmovies - You do not support welfare. Instead, you support slavery. You would not object if a "private land owner" had "favorites" that lived off YOUR rent money. But you do object when a government helps those that can show they have a need with YOUR tax money. That's a hypocritical stance of the highest magnitude. You'll say "I can make a voluntary contract with the landholder," but this is not always the case. Think it through before you spew garbage! Please, THINK!
LeksServices 7 months ago
@LeksServices
Strawman. You are not even smart enough to dissect the contents of your own brain, let alone mine.
You would chain people to a "service" of WORKING and producing wealth for others. How the fuck else would those others be fed and clothed, you dumbass? SOMEONE has to work for them. You don't oppose "work or die". You just apply this ridiculous and pathetic nonsense selectively and support ACTUAL slavery. You are just too brain damaged by collectivist propaganda to get it.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
@glennd7962
You didn't answer any of my questions. In fact, your entire comment seems to consist only of a bunch of red herrings meant to avoid the questions. I don't use aggressive violence, as you suggest.
What "academics" would you recommend?
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
@glennd7962 you sound like the passive aggressive type. Also you're argument is incredibly ambiguous and your thesis is paradoxical. I suggest you stop "listening to some academics" and begin studying and debating logic and reasoning instead. FYI human nature is pure potential, meaning violence and coercion in human behaviour is extrinsic (pretty much optional, not inherent)
terracottaheart 7 months ago
@terracottaheart Lol, if you are somehow claiming that Pacifism is morally superior, you have an argument with many great thinkers. As for your positing that human nature is "pure potential", you have been watching far too much Stefan. That is an opinion, one that I don't share and in that I have good company from the worlds anthropologists, psychologists and sociologists. We still have a limbic brain, still are animals, and still have to face force with greater force in order to surmount it.
glennd7962 7 months ago
@terracottaheart When did I say Pacifism is morally superior? And when does Stephan say human nature is pure potential? I believe that, I didn't deduce this from Stephan. You believe human nature is intrinsically violent when that is not the case. I understand history and personal experience can sometimes point in the other direction, but solving our problems with violence is wrong. Also pacifism only mean opting for nonviolence; when faced with a fight I will defend myself and my values.
terracottaheart 7 months ago
@terracottaheart
No, that is not what pacifism means. Pacifism means turning the other cheek. Pacifism means what Ghandi did and said. It means you would rather die without striking a blow, even in self-defense. Just because you're not initiating violence does not make you a pacifist. There is a certain strand within libertarianism called pacifist libertarianism, that advocated that even self-defense is morally wrong. Look up Robert LeFevre on Wikipedia and see what that means.
tridentmovies 7 months ago
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Beatnuk 7 months ago
You rank as one of the most courageous people Ive seen
RobT89 7 months ago 2
You need to start an organization.
RobT89 7 months ago
is this your Howard Roark impersonation?
Hamandchees3 7 months ago
A lot of those people in that audience should shut up.
EddieSatan 7 months ago 26
religion: GOD/Mafia Boss: pointing a gun in your head if you don't believe me.. because my GOD's Cock is bigger than your GOD's cock!
valsotto27 7 months ago
Its funny to see you full throttle with a little rocket fuel in you. Great speech.
guitardude1230 7 months ago
So I guess PorcFest has a double meaning, he seems to imply there's some poking involved...
shaurz 7 months ago
We're not going to live to see it? Optimism stef.
twilightawakening 7 months ago
great speech but i cant help but notice the irony of the hexagram shaped lights in the background lol
mehitsanthony 7 months ago
Mywolf2can video says stop gun grabbing! Also blog talk radio Com host MYWOLF DID interview with larry pratt ceo gun owners. Org on 6-8-2011.
mywolf2can 7 months ago
13 people have turds for brains
fagan411 7 months ago
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cherokeedoll1 7 months ago
@cherokeedoll1 He never speaks of guns being the problem! You missed the message, he speaks of the state being the problem! At 13 minutes he tries to explain "gunless" as meaning the government's guns. This means that the state will no longer have a gun at your head to force its taxes on you and if you don't pay,its prisons. You must be new to watching Stefan speak because he is all for personal liberty,including gun ownership. What he is against is the state and its monopoly of violence.
REVOLUTION2016 7 months ago
@REVOLUTION2016 I just heard him say ""We dont need the Fu**** guns to make the world a better place,,the guns will make it worse always"" Maybe he wasnt speaking of fun ownership for personal protection,,but thats what it sounded like to me. Maybe he should have made it more clear.
cherokeedoll1 7 months ago
@REVOLUTION2016 I just heard him say ""We dont need the Fu**** guns to make the world a better place,,the guns will make it worse always"" Maybe he wasnt speaking of gun ownership for personal protection,,but thats what it sounded like to me. Maybe he should have made it more clear.
cherokeedoll1 7 months ago
@REVOLUTION2016 - If you demand the respect of property rights, and the rights of a person who owns property to dictate how others can use their property, you support government. LANDLORDS are your government. And you don't necessarily get to choose them. Think about it. Stop running on automatic. Quit salivating at the sound of the bell. Think are you too brainwashed to do that?
I forget. You want to live as a slave to some rich master. Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll hate it.
LeksServices 7 months ago
Speech~! Speech~!
"Great women and great men give great and eloquent speeches; the wildflower has greater power to render the souls speechless"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 7 months ago
@xmocxl
Spammer
niklasbastholmhansen 7 months ago
interesting stars in the background.
NSDilly 7 months ago
The last 8 seconds of this was hilarious.
tbmagis 7 months ago
@MerulaMondlicht Actually NOBODY is quite like him. That's why I watch.
TimothyADonaghue 7 months ago
lovely
ehpl 7 months ago
unless the dumbasses burn you at the stake...
OmarThePug 7 months ago
Liked and favorited.
Proint 7 months ago
stefan, you mother fucking rockstar.
EnHatchEss 7 months ago
What's with all the start of David, Israeli six point star lighting behind you, stefbot?
OzzyPatriot 7 months ago
Dude, Hell Freeking Ya!
vidzane 7 months ago
this is soo awesome. This is the dream I hope to give to my children as the grow.
blindpig93 7 months ago
What exactly happened at 11:55? Did Stefan get attacked from behind? Looks like we're farther away from that non-violent utopia than we thought lol
EastCoastAvenger 7 months ago
I'm confident a RBE is the world Stefan is looking for. No state, no war, just people and nature and creativity.
masterkl16 7 months ago
@masterkl16
Yeah I've wondered before what Stefan would think of a resource based economy. Is he aware of the existance of Jaques Fresco, and also Peter Joseph's Zeitgeists documentary's.
PullTheTricker 7 months ago
@PullTheTricker
Search his channel for the terms "Zeitgeist" and "Venus project" and you'll find all you need to know. :-)
TheCapitalistdog 7 months ago
@PullTheTricker
I dug up some links for ya. These are in chronological order.
Zeitgeist Addendum Review - /watch?v=i1JcUBx2dxU
Zeitgeist Moving Forward Review - /watch?v=Pg5K07c72Tw
Peter Josephs response to Stefans Moving Forward review - /watch?v=ozy52bZ6JTw
Stefan's Reply to Peter Joseph - /watch?v=b9WEWcbfnHg
Stefan debates the Venus Project / Zeitgeist advocates on V-Radio - /watch?v=hxjwBZjADiM
TheCapitalistdog 7 months ago 4
@TheCapitalistdog
Thank you kindly sir. I was very curious about this :)
PullTheTricker 7 months ago
@TheCapitalistdog
Thats nice of you to do for him/her. Thumbs up for being helpful, even though he/she will probably not like what he/she finds :D
niklasbastholmhansen 7 months ago
@PullTheTricker He is aware, and last time I checked he said it is marxism with robots. If that is his belief I respect it, I just wonder what kind of economy he thinks will create the world he wants if not one that manages earth's resources directly.
masterkl16 7 months ago
good job stefan!
your energy is contagious
Skunny87 7 months ago
I think he is becaming emotional, putting his own personal stuff in the state basket
jruizdemena 7 months ago
was this in New York City?? if so i should have gone to see it live!
sonofagunM357 7 months ago
@sonofagunM357 No, New Hampshire, but I will be speaking in New York Sep 10 2011, at the Liberty Fest 2, with Tom Woods, Peter Schiff, Adam Kokesh and other greats! :)
stefbot 7 months ago 2
@stefbot Link to Ticketmaster please
sonofagunM357 7 months ago
@sonofagunM357
I'm pretty sure he'll be at porcest 2012. Google it for tickets.
somecomputergeek 7 months ago
I love Jesus!!
revron77 7 months ago
All I can say is this:
Fucking Epic
Gerstein1 7 months ago
Who else but Sref could make such a speech of really high, noble, moral tone in such a setting? Is it unrealistic? Well, when is "visionary" not "unrealistic"? We need the far-sighted moral visionaries, like poor old humanity has always needed them - real bad.
not2tees 7 months ago 3
Currently there is no global awareness like many seem to believe. Like 10% of people are aware of corruption. We are in the minority I wouldn't expect any changes anytime soon.
Like the wise native americans said. ''Only when the last tree has been cut, the last fish has been caught and the last river has been poisened... only then will we realise we cannot eat money''
PullTheTricker 7 months ago
Non aggression does not = no guns....
C'mon Steff you should know that.
TacticalCitySlicker 7 months ago
@TacticalCitySlicker He clarifies at 13:00 that he's talking about the state. Stefan supports gun ownership and self-defense.
rawful 7 months ago
@rawful Yeah I noticed a bit later on but by than i've already posted...
Also to his own admission he through a couple back when he was there so that gives him some leeway...
TacticalCitySlicker 7 months ago
This is the most inspirational thing I have seen in a long time.
canubelieve 7 months ago 14
@canubelieve i'm glad :)
stefbot 7 months ago
Jesus said these same things over 2k yrs ago. This is the fruit. This is our nourishment to take from. This will be our future whether our government terrorists want it or not. Evil WILL perish! We are still here
StPetePussPatrol 7 months ago
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StPetePussPatrol 7 months ago
Imagine how the internet would have assisted past revolutions! They would have all happened faster, for one thing. And for all those who think that they can't make a difference or their voice can't be heard: YOU HAVE THE INTERNET, a near-perfect tool for spreading ideas and information. There is little excuse to stand idle in the sidelines when so much needs to be said.
Also, wonderful speech here.Thank you!
BookofNick 7 months ago
Is that Bob Murphy behind Stef? :)
rumco 7 months ago
Whoa. Thanks for this Stef.
barrywilliamsmb 7 months ago
6:30 the dog seems to agree
Z0mbeSlayer 7 months ago
Who was that drunk guy at the end? Lmao..
MRSketch09 7 months ago
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MRSketch09 7 months ago
Only a libertarian crowd would heckle a speech like that. I am not criticizing, it is a wonderful thing. Hope my school is technical.
TheAlaric89 7 months ago
love stef's stuff
endgame984 7 months ago
great, inspirational speech. probably your finest Staf
darincm 7 months ago
Good points :) It is an extremely selfless thing that we are doing.
rjnrf 7 months ago
@rjnrf Nothing one does is selfless. Stef made mention "everybody in this room is going to have a f'en free private school named after them". That doesn't seem to me to be a selfless mindset. Ego is a mother f'er. "Power corrupts and absolute ............ " Lord Acton.
wyknot100 7 months ago
@wyknot100 i think the fact that we are trying to help future generations is selfless
rjnrf 7 months ago
Great speech! Thank you so much for the perspective. I get it!
monterock100 7 months ago
Excelent
chriswroads 7 months ago
we are the CRAZY MOTHERFUCKERS
COGKevin333 7 months ago
If the body isn't where the mind is, we cannot be happy. We have to create the stateless society today, or live useless, unhappy and boring lives.
kebabkungen90007 7 months ago
without prisons, murderers will roam free, killing at will.
emperorkang 7 months ago
@emperorkang without the state, there wouldn't be people crazy enough to become murderers
ShadowCrowX 7 months ago
@ShadowCrowX for millions of years, since the beginning of the Hominid species, there have been tribes of people, killing other tribes of people. we have fought over land, food and resources and over silly notions of "my god doesnt like you...now die!". you think a government created evil? "the state" is merely a symptom of mankind's evil nature, fighting its good nature. you eliminate the state and you still have the other problems to work out.
emperorkang 7 months ago 2
@emperorkang The reason Humans not only survived but fluorished into the billions is because the peaceful, cooperative, loving side of humanity is dominate. Yes we'll much evolution of ethics until that peaceful side is honored and understood as far more effective than hate. Governments are a symptom of the fearful, hateful emotions that have been nurtured and stimulated by those who wanted power through the ages: the pharoahs, kings, clergy, and secular tyrants.
leafwatch 7 months ago
@emperorkang yes such as religion
ShadowCrowX 7 months ago
@ShadowCrowX I'm not for eliminating religion entirely, just take away most of what powers it already has. let religion remain as it was intended: a spiritual guidance.
emperorkang 7 months ago