Jack Dempsey vs Bill Brennan

[nextmovebestmove]

Amazing quality, this is a true gem.

[1899sharkey]

Bill was a man of iron himself. This was a bruising battle. Dempsey probably would of broke Ali's ribs.

[1saxonwolf]

"Ali's great defense", hahahahaha.

[bojack335]

hey can anyone get this in hd?

[igboking11]

I dont see whats so special about this guy his head movement isnt all that great no way he beats ali.. dempsey would be overwhelmed with ali great defense tremedous footwork with his lightning quick jabs!! 5 round tko easy

[bojack335]

@igboking11 shut up leave fantasy out of it, you want to watch the fight watch the fight dempsey was dempsey and ali was ali., besides who knows really?

[igboking11]

@bojack335 i can do as i please other people are bringing fantasy into the mix so i can too .. and you say who knows you must be off you medication to say such a thing!!!! who knows get out of here

[CrashBandikoot7]

is it me or are fighters not as well conditioned as they use to be? look at those shots all the way in round 12. i dont think i've seen that these days

[1saxonwolf]

@CrashBandikoot7 You're right. It's the reason Dempsey would train down to around 190 lbs. Speed and endurance, so he could fight full tilt the whole fight. Watch close and you see Dempsey on his toes more the last two rounds. You see the same in the Tom Gibbons fight, Dempsey increasing the pace in the last 5 rounds. You don't see it today in HW fights.Exact opposite. They can't even fight 3 minute rounds. Size has its disadvantages too.

[eduardogutierrez521]

fact : jack dempsey has more knock outs in the first round than any fighter in history

[igboking11]

@eduardogutierrez521 actually mike tyson had more first round knockouts 

[todafacetodaface]

@eduardogutierrez521 shannon briggs has more 1st round knockouts then Dempsey 

[rbrtdornel]

¡Como han cambiado los tiempos! Dempsey era considerado una especie de gigante y de luchador invencible con 1.82 mts. y con 88 kilos de peso; hoy sería un semipesado, por más que él derroto a hombres más grandes como Tate y Willard; se dice que era una figura tan valorada la de Dempsey que algunos opinan que el rostro del campeón sirvió de modelo para distintos superhéroes como Superman, Batman y Aquaman.

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

Dempsey was truly great. Somehow he has become underrated.

[todafacetodaface]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 dempsey is overrated

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@todafacetodaface No, if anything he is underrated.

[todafacetodaface]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 underrated dont make me laugh he only had 6 defenses in 7 years. he lost to Willie Meehan 2 times. and was knocked out by a bum is the first round whose the best fighter he ever beat jess willard lol. 

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@todafacetodaface 1] irrelevant 2]That was before he was a serious pro 3]same as before and it was after not eating for 3 days and with no training and it was the only time he was ever stopped 4] Carl Morris, Fred Fulton, Brennan, Bill Miske, all top contenders. Sam Langford called Dempsey the best fighter ever. Ray Arcel said the same.

[todafacetodaface]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 let me give u an example they rank him above mike tyson. but mike was the youngest heavyweight champ and had more defenses then demspey in half the time. top contenders Carl Morris who has 23 loses and been ko 5 times Bill Miske who has 14 loses, Fred Fulton whos been knocked out 9 times Bill Brennan who has 19 loses this guys are bums. dempsey fought a bunch of bums his whole career if he was around in any other era he would have been destroyed.

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@todafacetodaface Mike Tyson was overrated. Who the hell did he ever beat? A washed up Larry Holmes, A blown up light heavyweight in Spinks, after that? Tucker and Ruddock and he struggled with both. He got destroyed by Buster Douglas at the age of 23.

[todafacetodaface]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 ur a fucken hypocrite u say it doesnt matter that dempsey got knocked out in the 1st round and lost to willie meehan twice but u bring up tyson loss to douglas. tyson was on the decline he wasn't traning hard and he didnt have the desire anymore. struggled to beat tucker he got a clear UD unlike dempsey who loss to a bum twice. ur calling carl morris,brennan,fulton, bill miske top contenders those guys were fucken bums. who did dempsey lose 2 a BLOW UP LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@todafacetodaface After a 3yr layoff and he got robbed in the rematch. A 23 yr old so called great getting crushed by a 42-1 underdog. Yeah, real great. Tubbs ,Trevor Berbick, Tyrell Biggs. Real immortals there. By the way, you know who is a great Dempsey fan? MIKE TYSON, that's who!

[todafacetodaface]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 well if you say dempsey was robbed so was tyson who knocked buster down for a 13 count. u have no knowledge of boxing. and which immortal did demspey beat? bums that were knocked out multiple times tyson beat top contenders tucker was 37-0 frank bruno biggs and michael spinks who was 31-0 who did dempsey beat. wasnt demspey knocked down 3 times by luis who was a bum. dempsey is OVERRATED

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@todafacetodaface I know more about boxing than you ever will. Ray Arcel who worked with greats from Benny Leonard to Roberto Duran and Larry Holmes said Dempsey was the best heavyweight ever and would have beaten Louis and Ali.Sam Langford called Dempsey the best fighter he ever saw. Harry Greb, Mickey Walker, and MIKE TYSON idolized him and you are arguing with them?

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@todafacetodaface Tunney-who he knocked out-Gibbons-Carpentier-Hall of Famers. Dempsey beat them with no significant size advantage.Willard and Firpo were at least as good as Bruno and Bonecrusher. Quick Tillis almost beat Tyson! Those so called bums went into decline after Dempsey ruined them. And I never called Tyson a bum because he wasn't. He ranks as a near great. Dempsey was great. If Dempsey was a bum why did Tyson pattern himself after him? I'm done with you .You're wrong. I'm right.

[todafacetodaface]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 listen to urself ur saying that tillis almost beat tyson demspsey lost 2 fucken bums not almost lost he fucken got smashed. jack demspey was fighting in a weak era its not just about tyson im saying they rank dempsey over tyson frazier foreman holmes all who would have smashed him and fought better fighter the only reason why dempsey ranks so high is beacause he was so popular

[1saxonwolf]

@NoGoodBoyo1000 If someone says Dempsey was "overrated" u know they don't know much. As u just learned the arguments r worthless. When the Dean of boxing, Arcel, calls someone the Greatest u should shut your stupid mouth and take notice !

[NoGoodBoyo1000]

@1saxonwolf Thank You.

[b1ndby24]

El boxeo es un deporte para puros hombres y los gallinas que se vayan a jugar muñecas!!!

[PREZ150]

Ali would have to stay on the outside to beat Dempsey.

[romienomie]

Dempsey's style created trouble for just about any fighter.

[MrBz123wee]

thumbs up if you think that dempsey is the most feocious fighter in history

[1urbanwarrior]

Brennan was a hard-nosed fighter with a past, much like Dempsey. Back then they all understood, you win by punching. Hitting your opponent often and hard;hard be the operative word. Points didn't matter too much at the end of the day-back then.

[1urbanwarrior]

Brennan was a hard-nosed fighter with a past, much like Dempsey. Back then the all understood, you win by punching. Hitting your opponent often and hard;hard be the operative word. Points didn't matter too much at the end of the day-back then.

[XavierMarciano]

Is the dempsey vs brennan 1 fight on youtube

[dempsey981]

yer lookin at old school ripped here in dempsey,u dont see many heavys today this leaned out and naturally hard.i keep seein these short inside shovel hooks, here,which are hurtful as hell.jack could devastate a man with very little punching room at all.of course he knock yer brains out long range too.jack had a strong knack for rendering guys unconcious.

[Kedbuka]

@dempsey981 The operative word is "hard" for Dempsey. He was a hard man all the way. Tough, mean and willful. Just a bad, bad dude.

[dempsey981]

@Kedbuka yup hard.he did alot of fighting in lumber camps,bars,some in whore houses,all of which are of course OFF RECORD.These were often fights in order to eat,you lose u dont eat!!jack never forgot those days[who could?],stuff like tis hardens a man forever.he was young in those days,and admits he recieved some bad beatings as a kid fightin big mature men.he didnt LOSE THO!pitiless in the ring,cold blooded as it gets according to accounts.they used 5 oz gloves btw,and his hands were huge.

[Kedbuka]

@dempsey981 Dempsey's ranked as 10th all-time HW by Ring Mag, which is about right to me. At 190lbs, he was as gnarly and bad as they come. I don't give a shit about some 6'7" Ukrainian or whoever they have nowadays as title holder, Dempsey would have torn through them like the pretenders they are. He was a man of steel with hammers in both hands; and he was quite a slick boxer as well. And forget about inside fighting--he was an animal inside. He was a great prizefighter.

[dempsey981]

@Kedbuka pls read "a flame of pure fire"by roger kahn of the new york times.there wad more to jack than the fighter,and thats a huge part of his magic.dempsey was the first sports millionaire,and far out earned babe ruth.ruth,al capone,doug fairbanks,dw griffith they ALL wanted to be friends with JACK DEMPSEY.He was the epitomy of the old adage feared by men,adored by women.the guy was a pussy magnet in his own right.the thing about dempsey beyond his legendary fighting prowess was his charisma.

[dempsey981]

@Kedbuka obviously im a big Dempsey fan[to say the least]but honestly these super big heavys,i dont know how jack would do[ha no one really does].these guys like klitchko,are not like williard or primo canerra,or any old time super heavys.klitchko is bigger stronger and much more skilled than say a willard,not mention better conditioned.if forced to bet i'd say dempsey,jack would work his way inside sooner or later,and jack was much more EXPLOSIVE.its hard to off set a big skilled guy though.

[faltagh]

@dempsey981 Watch Willard in the Johnson fight. I don't see him losing to Klitchko if he's in that shape. His footwork is better than todays big HW's.

Dempsey would tear these guys up.

If Adamak(?) gets a shot soon, he will win. These guys are to big to fight at the pace Dempsey would enforce.

[dempsey981]

@faltagh well that could be.ive always wondered how good willard really was.how good can a guy be when he STARTS BOXING AT AGE 28?guess we'll never really know these answers.i do fully agree that dempsey would push the big russian well beyond whats hes used too with his intense work rate,and inside skills.still never ever faced anyone that big and strong.dempsey by ko round 8

[faltagh]

@dempsey981 I read a article way back from one of the more respected boxing sports writers of the time, Bob Edgren. He apparently was following Willard & wrote some interesting commentary/observations. He said he wasn't surprised Willard beat Johnson after seeing Willard train for the fight. I think it's on-line. Don't remember where though.

But overall I guess Big Jess didn't impress to many. What do we hear about him now ?

[dempsey981]

@faltagh yup,willard doesnt appear on many expert short lists.there is strong evidence that his highly publicized severe injurys,from the dempsey title fight were very exaggerated[thanks to kearns probably].these severe injurys gave rise to the old brick in the glove allegations so often bounced around about jack.pure hogwash btw.its not easy to understand these old timers due to lack of film footage[quality i mean].many were true warrior athletes inevery sense tho,this im very clear about.

[faltagh]

@dempsey981 Uploader Halo something has the Willard fight fairly cleaned up. I am believing the injury report. Seeing the fight a little clearer shows a terrible beating. Watch Willards body/head react to the punches. Vicious stuff. One tuff man. The films show enough if you know what to look for, which is what you have to point out for the newbies. Dempsey was the Greatest Heavyweight ever. Enough reputable men have said it. We all have our own opinions. This is mine.

[dempsey981]

@faltagh Well u wont get any argument from me.im a total Dempsey fan.After reading about Dempsey so much,esp.the Kahn book,Dempsey the complete man ,to me,is absolutely fascinating..The story is unbelievable,his story,the story of a guy that dwarfed Ruth,and Gehrig.There IS NO STORY LIKE DEMPSEYS.Now the fighter issue is another debateable thing,but i also rate him with you as THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT EVER.The man,at his core,at fight time,was a pitiless wrecking ball.mean,durable,hard, perfect.

[faltagh]

@dempsey981 Agreed. Great story, Great fighter, Great Man.

[andrewr62]

@dempsey981 Dempsey's loaded gloves are a myth. Ever seen the entire Willard fight film?

Dempsey's taped hands and gloves are inspected in the ring. In fact the gloves were put on in the ring

with Willards second Walter Monahan looking on in front of 20,000 people. Photo's of Dempsey in

the ring prior to the fight clear show Dempsey's taped hands were plyable.

[dempsey981]

@andrewr62 yes,of course.imo you are right.

[dempsey981]

@faltagh what breaks my heart is a cant find high quality footage of Dempsey in action[it did not exist].good clear,proper speed film,would give us legions of new impressed Dempsey fans i think.oh well.

[faltagh]

@Kedbuka That 10th ranking is a rather late ranking right ? As time goes by more old-timr fighters will fall in the rankings.

The trainers/fighters/writers who saw Dempsey & for instance Ali's generation rank Dempsey very high. Jeffries, Langford, Johnson, Dempsey were always ranked the highest by these men. Louis would get a nod. Not Ali. Fleischer didn't rank him top 10.

Ray Arcel said Dempsey was the best. Louis next. That 10th ranking I bet was by people who didn't see him fight.

[Kedbuka]

@faltagh Actually, I got that info from Wikipedia so it's questionable. My last Ring Magazine (c. 2000) which rates all the divisions' all-time greats lists Dempsey at No. 5 and Ali at No. 1. Nos. 2 - 4 were Louis, Johnson and Marciano, the latter being so high obviously due to his undefeated record; otherwise, I don't think he makes the top ten. But Dempsey was given his due--I don't think he could handle any of the fighters ranked in front of him except Marciano.

[faltagh]

@Kedbuka Thats my point. Nobody at that time saw Dempsey fight or johnson. IMO, its important. But, I agree, he's being recognized, along with Johnson.

In the 70's they made that documentary on Dempsey. Interviewing Ray Arcel along the way. At the end the host asks Arcel how Dempsey wold do against today's competition (ali, Frzier etc). Arcels laughs!, said Dempsey would have a picnic against these guys ! This is from the DEAN of trainers.

I think JD could beat them all.

[Kedbuka]

@faltagh Indeed, Arcel was one of the all-time great trainers. I wonder if he thought his man Benny Leonard would've had a picnic against his man Roberto Duran? In any event, I don't see how Dempsey would've been able to handle 6'3" 215lbs Muhammad Ali, who was cat-quick, took a great shot, delivered sharp-as-hell combos, was as willful as Dempsey, and smarter by a longshot. A picnic against Ali? With all due respect, friend, no way in hell. Ali would've carved him up.

[faltagh]

@Kedbuka Not only Arcel, Manny Seamon(Benny Leonard & Joe Louis trainer), Teddy Hayes(Dempsey & J. Johnson) both saw Ali & said he wouldn't beat any of the old great fighters. Along with Tunney, Sharkey, Schmeling etc. Those opinions have clout !

Ali was only 1 1/2" taller, 4" in reach on Dempsey. Ali had 4" height on Frazier & 81/2" in reach. JF had no trouble pounding Ali. The size issue doesn't exist. Dempsey would carry 235lbs. He wasn't a small man. He trained down in weight for speed.

[faltagh]

@KedbukaHe proved himself against big HW's. Every attribute u named for Ali, Dempsey owned.Plus one punch KO power. "smarter", based on what? Surely not boxing smarter. Ali did things wrong, poorly or not at all. L.Holmes,"as a boxer Ali is overrated".

Dempsey did about everything a little better than Frazier & look what JF did. If anyones doing the carving it's Dempsey. Ali would be beat. Dempsey's a complete fighter. Ali?

Arcel & co. know what their saying, the best of the best.

[Kedbuka]

@faltagh I didn't know Dempsey was 6'3" 215lbs? He must've grown three inches and gained thirty pounds after he passed away.

Ring Magazine rates Ali as the greatest all time. Good enough for me.

[levizer]

Does anyone have their first fight that took place in 1918?

[1899sharkey]

What a beast!! It would have took one hell of a fighter to beat this Dempsey.

[faltagh]

@1899sharkey Don't think it would happen. Do you ?

[1899sharkey]

@faltagh - I think this was Jack at his best undeniably one of the greatest of all time. I get a laugh from these part time boxing"experts" who jump in on you tube to discredit fighters from the past.

[faltagh]

@1899sharkey I'll try & follow your lead & just get a laugh instead of annoyed. Any idea if the Miske fight was filmed?

[1899sharkey]

@faltagh -I haven't seen it and i'd say if you haven't, it probably doesn't exist. Jack giving Billy that fight shows what type of man Jack was!

[faltagh]

@1899sharkey Reason I asked is for instance Tunney/Greb 1 was filmed. Somewhere it's collecting dust. Maybe Miske is on film.

[faltagh]

@1899sharkey Coincidence ??? RareBoxing just put up Very short clip of Dempsey vs Miske. WOW !!!

[1899sharkey]

@faltagh - Excellent! I haven't found it yet, hopefully the Greb fight will surface and my dream of more of the Jeff- Sharkey fight.

[muskratrowdy]

@1899sharkey I have heard that the original, official footage of that Jeff-Sharkey fight was quite clear and at a realistic speed. That would be a real find!

[1899sharkey]

@muskratrowdy - The Holy Grail of fight films!!!

[faltagh]

Or he meant first appearance at the Garden.

[faltagh]

I agree!! I love watching this fight. You can learn soooo much from this. Dempsey is an animal. So technical in his game plan. Devastating body puncher. Look how solid he is physically. PFP best HW ever !!

[muskratrowdy]

This was a very rough fight for Dempsey. Even though he had earlier knocked Brennan out in 6 rounds, KO Bill came to fight and was in top shape. Jack, on the other hand, experienced some 'distractions' during his training and wasn't in top form. When the announcer mentioned this was Dempsey's first appearance in front of a NY crowd, I think he forgot that Jack fought Wild Bert Kenny, Andre Anderson and John Lester Johnson in the Big Apple back in 1916. It is a real treat to see this fight!

[JoeFraze]

@muskratrowdy Yeah, perhaps he meant it was Dempsey's first appearance in New York as the world's champion.

[faltagh]

The reporters said it was a very rough fight. In the 10th rnd Dempsey either got laced or butted on his right earlobe. It bled profusely and was said to be just hanging. After that he intensified the fight to get Brennan out of there. Ko by body shots !!! What a fighter !!

[nikonxxx]

gangsters dont like boxers

[wills350]

now this guy could box and punch. slip the punches and bang away. fast althlete. hed ko tyson, foreman, and liston the same night. 2 rounds at most for each

[SA2137]

what about ali

[tmotleygoldstein]

This might be peak dempsey. He looks like he's made of iron.

[swr112261]

Dempsey took too many shots to have survived against Tyson in his prime.

[714hr]

tyson is and was so overated.who did he ever beat who was good?dempsey was a true toughguy.holyfield wasnt that big and he knocked out tyson.

[246DEK74]

tyson would have opend up dempsey like a tin of beans,tyson was a nightmare in the day

[spittle8]

Dempsey was an amazing athlete, look at his footwork and movement at 6:40 to 8:00. He sure ate a lot of shots from Brennan though, that low guard is fairly stupid.

[5DWorldRunner]

Man, Brennan could take a punch. I saw Dempsey nail him with the kind of ab that broke Jes Willard's ribs, about a minute into the match, and Brennan just takes it and heads into the clinch.

[kylecyclopdoddsmole]

that stright right and the end by Dempsey is like a missile

[liamjwolves]

haha that pretty much sums it up.

[steroidssavedmylife]

great old school vid

[deghost1]

Sure, rabbit punching, clutching and grabbing constantly but you have to admit that seeing a cut heavy weight is a treat when all we see today are big, fat guys who are slow and ponderous.

[5DWorldRunner]

Back in the day, heavyweight was either 175 or 180 lbs or above, I believe, and if you look at modern cruiserweights (175-200 lbs by modern weight class), many are as fast as Dempsey was. Better nutrition in the modern era has made guys a lot bigger and it's hard to move fast when you're that big.

I don't think any modern cruiserweight HITS as hard as Dempsey did, but if you look at David Haye before he went up in weight, you'll see that 180-190 lb guys can easily have incredible speed.

[taclas1]

They sure loved their rabbit-punches in the old days!

[papke25]

Jack dempsey was the greatest heavyweight ever.

[kylecyclopdoddsmole]

No, it was Joe Louis

[spittle8]

Jack Johnson.

[LFDLILG]

i think you mean strongest.

papke25 is right, dempsey's the best. heavyweights after his era simply wouldn't know what to do against a fighter like dempsey. they've never seen anything like him.

[mjdoomreviews]

people forget that he probibly couldnt get through a modern defence and good jabs boxing tactics moved on for a reason

[unionofonion]

If he couldnt then he'd pummel his way through.

If all else fails, Use aggressive tactics.

[Ralg1309]

jack dempsey the best of alll time

[jaqua524]

ever heard of Muhammad ali?

[spittle8]

Jack Johnson

[kylecyclopdoddsmole]

No its Joe Louis but Jack Johnson was also Great

[liamjwolves]

id love to see that, ali v dempsey.

[KiddKapo]

if you realy look at it it would be a good fight between him and tyson to cause they both are brawlers and have realy good power shots

[5DWorldRunner]

Tyson would probably have knocked Dempsey right to the ground, though I think Dempsey was miles above Tyson technically and even in pound-for-pound power and is the better boxer.

Heavyweight used to just be 175-180 lbs or higher (can't remember which) and Dempsey was usually around 190 or so. Tyson was about 220 at his prime and thirty pounds makes a HUGE difference. In Dempsey's time it was very rare to see guys above 200 lbs - nutrition is better now so the average boxer is much bigger.

[deghost1]

Tyson fought a lot of bums, slow moving , inept fighters without power who couldn't hit him. He seemed invincible. With serious opposition, Holyfield comes to mind, he was exposed. As Teddy Atlas claimed, Tyson was a street bully without character.

Dempsey fought tough guys, with skill and strength. And he beat them all, including Tunney in that famous long count fight. Dempsey couldn't run but Tunney knew how to stick and jab.

The greatest heavyweight of all time? Dempsey !!

[5DWorldRunner]

Let's put it this way - I still think Tyson at the peak of his ability, before he lost Cus D'Amato and his combo skills, would have beaten Dempsey. Weight helps and Tyson WAS an incredibly skilled boxer for all his character flaws. But Tyson after Cus died? Dempsey would have murdered him without question. Jack never lost his focus the way Tyson did and was miles above him in skill.

One thing about both men to respect, though - neither one threw a punch unless they really meant it.

[ebeneezzer]

This wouldn't be the same Tyson who looked like Shit against Mitch Green and James Tillis.

Cus or not, when Tyson went past round 4 he turned to shit.

[pugilistofpower]

Heavyweights are just fat now. If you consider better nutrition as an all you can eat buffet.

Dempsey regulary beat guys way bigger than him. But I'd have to agree that Tyson would be a bad match up for Jack. I think of Tyson as a modern version of Dempsey.

[boxerbrett]

1992,jesus he was at least 100 then,no,I think he was dead!!!Night of the undead or what!!lol

[cheechandchong2]

Kemp i agree that you might beat a guy one day and lose another day but you can say someone is better then the other it just means that the circumstances could have just been against the guy that beat him the other day

[flyrabbit73]

I am reading a book, right now, called The Jack Dempsey Story. it is a short little book of 180 pages, small format, a quick read. Starts back with Dempseys beginnings in Monassa, moving from town to town, hopping trains and working in the mines. Moves quickly through his rise with Doc Kearns and provides a fantastic backdrop to all these vid clips of his bouts. Author's name is Schoor. Check it out.

[dorsi68]

Dempsey was inagruably one of the best fighters ever ... bar none. In my opinion , he is top 5 and could beat almost any heavyweight on a given nite (except Jefferies). He probably fight the 4th hardest pound for pound behind Fritzmons , Langford and Marciano although he would ahve beaten all 3 fighters had they fought in there prime. His 3 prime years were 1919 to 1992 and its too bad he became so inactive after 1921 / 1922 as he could have held the belt for another 10 years.

[muskratrowdy]

Good point. He did come back and fight twice in 1923 at age 28. I always felt that if he had kept active and fought once or better yet, twice a year from '24-26 he might have been sharp enough to beat Tunney.

[GivesSaliva]

my last name is brennan

[1outlawz]

full marks to brennan, he did a very good job to keep away from dempsey for so long

[gqmighty]

dempsey was an animal of grace and brutlity

[YoYoMutt]

Does he do the Dempsey Roll in this one?

[ROBLYFE]

the great thing about dempsey is that he was still fighting hard in the later rounds. what heavyweights now do u see do that? he was constantly on the attack.i wish these 6'3 -6'6 250 lb bitches today would fight that hard.

[kempobrad]

get in the ring with any one of them, then tell em they're bitches.

[Monkfish05]

Exactly kempobrad...great comment. I noticed from your profile that you are American...and i apologise sincerely for the booing that was going on. Mayweather is the best around at the moment, Hatton is a tough guy and gave it his best shot ( ref/Vegas judges didn't help much, but no excuses) All the same, looking forward to Calzaghe/Bernard...Two great Ring Technicians :)

[kempobrad]

the fight game, whether it be boxing, kickboxing, mma, or traditional martial arts...it's really hard to say this guy is better than that guy. safer to say IMO..he was better on that day. chuck liddell beat randy couture, but randy couture also beat chuck liddell. know what i mean? safer to say IMO, dont try to beat up other people. just try to improve yourself, you'll aways be successful in that

[Monkfish05]

Nah, Kempo....Its a boxing vid. I assumed you were a boxing fan. Alright, my mistake.

Aye, you are right in saying "Improve Yourself", that is Positive and Good. ;)

[kempobrad]

yes i realize it's a boxing vid, and i am a boxing fan lol thanks for the info though. the point was...you cant really say this guy is better than that guy, he may have been better on that day, or you may LIKE him better. but that doesnt mean he's better all the time. i just happen to also be a fan of martial arts/sports...of which boxing is a part in my opinion.

[Monkfish05]

Fair enough Kempo lol....Happy new year mate :D

[kempobrad]

well i certainly hope it will be better than this past one! lol...happy new year to you as well

[kempobrad]

not to mention...they're 70+ pounds heavier than the former 'heavy' weights.

[dheschete]

I am 6 foot 6. I boxed at 254 pounds. I fought men bigger and smaller, better and worse. It isn't our fault that nutrition, training etc. are better. People are just bigger now. Size has nothing to do with how good a fighter is. But I bet a year's salary I'd knock your head through a wall.

[SirSmokeal0t]

Size or weight isn't the point.

It's about how Dempsey kept fighting hard 'till the very end. And like bandit9874 mentioned, the guys back then had way greater hart and spirit.

[bandit9874]

Hell, even take Willard as an example of toughness. Though not a particularly skilled fighter in my opinion, consider the beating he took at the hands of Dempsey and still went on for three rounds. 1st round broken ribs, jaw, cheek bone and nose, yet got off the matt 7 times. Great heart in those guys back then

[shaunAKAegghead]

tyson loved dempsey.. you classed himself as the same breed fight as dempsey. these champions are no good at all compared to fighters today. but this is almost 100years ago.. boxing had not developed. so u have to put it into that perspective. no one was better than him then and that how u look at it. what fighters were in there time, and in his time he was better then any other fighter in our time

[bandit9874]

not developed? funny. boxing has been around hundreds of years in one shape or form. just because these guys look different doesn't mean their ability was any less. Dempsey introduced the bob and weave to the world and no one in today's heavyweight division compares to Dempsey. Boxing evolved yes, but not nessesarily for the better

[dheschete]

Shaun: I can tell from what you arote that you have never boxed. Dempsey INVENTED a lot of the boxing techniques used today. I'd bet my life's savings that he would give many of the fighters you are thinking of concussions. I'd bet my LIFE that he would have hurt Ali once he cut his escape off.

[Allritemat]

To say he invented alot of techinques is abit far fetched. To say he would have hurt most is not so IMO.

[kenny2s]

by the way u say great ones dont get frustrated, refering to tyson and u pick dempsey n louis over him. Well yes on paper if u look at stuff like that then u can see ur reasoning but any one who aint blinkered by nostalgia would, if they had to bet thier house on it pick tyson. P.S. AND U KNOW IT OLD TIMER

[faltagh]

Tyson wouln't, he is a great fan of Dempsey and a student and historian, he knows Dempsey's greatness, told to him by D'Amato.

[mpmhack]

mga ulul

[zazendude]

Dempsey toughts are that a straight is a pure punch.

He does throws jabs; nonetheless, the way he does we'd call it today straights.

[xylofish1]

disagree dempsey doesnt jab anywhere enuf and they dont look tha great to me..needed that jab tocoutner tunny when they fot and he just didnt have ti to use

[bandit9874]

Dempsey was a slugger. styles make fights but Dempsey introduced several things to boxing that guys still use today. He was definitely one of the best in ANY era

[migmac31]

Ray Arcel, probably the most knowledgeable trainer of all time, declared that no boxer today would have stood a chance against Dempsey.

Only Tyson perhaps, in his absolute prime, may have been able to stand up for a while against Dempsey, but Dempsey's genuine, not manufactured, toughness and killer instinct, would have overcome anyone around today. He was also blessed with optimum fighting genes, being of Scottish, Irish, Jewish and Cherokee descent.

[bandit9874]

all good points. now try and teach some of these guys up here that the first 50 years of the 1900s was the best in boxing. most of these guys think boxing was a largely undeveloped art on up till about 1960 it seems. I'd love to see an old school Dempsey in there with a Klitchko. He'd be educated on the type of pain Willard endured.

[andrewr62]

Brennan came to fight. Great fight. I think this is Dempsey at his prime.

[JTheRipper86]

ahh man yeah whatever fuck it,i think we can both agree they'd all own  us lot in a fight! ha

[JTheRipper86]

Nah it Proven Maricano had one of Hardest punches ever and the biggest heart: I think he'd give dempsey a dam good fight

[kelvinkloud]

marcino had great lungs, very good chin & a lot of heart.. but imo he would have a very hard time vrs a 1918-'23 dempsey.. demps had too much hand speed, better feet, better chin, longer reach & even more toughness.. dempsey tko by rd 10

[stevenmask]

man you know dempsey was the greatest of all time he can beat marcianno,ali,louis,and johnson hes the best

[fudatask]

all brennan does is clench him.

[hhhhdmt]

Brennan was very good contender

dempsey was awesome

[faltagh]

This is the best clip to study All the techniques of Dempsey during his prime. Excellent video, thanks

[kevvyxxx]

i agree dempsey's boxing skill is underated

[Lava1964]

Brennan gave a good showing.

[FleaBittenDog]

Nice clip. I really wish ESPN Classic would rebroadcast this fight. I know they showed it years ago.