great thinking and designing. If you are looking for more surface area, would it not be better to drill small holes very close together. I just started learning about HHO, and actually built my first wet cell using Water for Gas plans. It work yet little gas. Lots to learn. Have you looked at combining a Frequency Modulator to the dry cell?
Thanx for subscribing. I was just thinking that you could use a plasma tourch or water jut to cut these groves. The water jet will not distrot the stainless because there is no heat affected zone to misshape the piece. The abrasive wheel can be costly when cutting stainless as it workhardens very easily. A good carbide blade on a metal saw (one that turns slowly <1300rpm) is ideal. I have one of these saws if you need help just let me know. Hope things are well with you. Best regards Mark
Very good Idea - I have been using SS screen for my electrodes for the same reasons, larger surface area and the water is able to penetrate the screen easier. My problem with screen has been connecting it to the + and - source. the screen connection deteriorates very quickly. Good Job
anxiously awaiting some 4 gang blank covers from china. i got a plan for all fins but an inch strip on top plate gapping...hum smack uses .063 i say go half that
I think you created LEAKAGE as you stated indirectly. + to - plate does not need to travel through neutral anymore as in a solid plate & drop V as it passes through. Not sure this will drop your V between plates. I'd say go for a +-+-+-+- design w/no neutrals & no needs of insulating, just have 5 to 7 of them running in series to drop V. Don't forget the less V will add efficiency of less heat created & higher conc. of electrolyte will be required to produce the gas under the same total A.
hey rudagray, i'll give it a try. last time with solid plates i just boiled the water using +-+-. maybe with a slotted plates we will see something different. fizzy
Voltage in each will drop to 3V if supplied with 12V and uses 16 plates...
or 5 (containers) as (+-+) connected for 15 plates total, but voltage drop to 2.4V each container... going to 6 of those for 2V each would be best and 18 plates total, or to have 4 plates each and be 24 plates total will give 12 more surfaces for H and O to go to even better...Lots of experimenting ahead :)
Im also reserching on how to tweak the O2 sensor Im convinced if you dont tweak it will nullify the hho. it will think your running lean and richen the fuel mixure defeating the hho. will keep you posted. keep up the good work.
hey fizzy I used a perforated plate seemed to work good didnt heat up on my second try . still in the works. but ill tell you it appeared to produce a greater amount than the first attempt with solid plate. check my plates out hho gen up for critisizm
it's an interesting idea, however, i am going to predict that you will find the amperage draw to be much higher. We tested a similar design using round 4 in SS shower drain plates(look em up) and the amperage draw was so high, it melted the 10 guage wire we were using. And, our electrolyte soup was very mild. you may find that a solid electrode plate, and these slotted as neutral plates may work better for you. but i'm only speculating...as SS says, "Just Build It!" haha
hi installguys, i looked up 10 guage and it says it's rated for 15 amps. i'm using 4 guage rated for 60 amps. i would be interested in finding out why a smaller surface area would draw more amperage. anyway, the test will show us the results. by the way i like your pressure release valve. fizzy
I know, we thought 10G would be fine with the super mild electrolyte solution. I don't know why it pulled so many amps. Our thought was the current leakage from the slots? That was the only thing different.We thought of making a sealed cell from the drain plates, which could have been done cheaply with o-rings and some bolts. I can't wait to see your test results, though. We are trying to develop a cell that is significantly cheaper than the EBN one. Thanks for the compliment on the EPD!
hi mcarbaugh, where can i get it. i would want to separate the screens like they were plates so there would have to be a rigid perimeter. if you can direct me to a source i would appreciate it. fizzy
Fizzy, I have long thought about using perforated plates (50% hole to solid area) in some combination and configuration for a cell. Maybe the +s and or the -s or maybe for only the neutrals. If you did that with a 50% perforated plate would you use twice as many neutral plates or + and - and improve on perforamce ? This is direction with many questions and not many answers yet. I am glad to see someone thinking in a new direction. Trust your results not what naysayers and critics say.
I like you work. Soon, I'm going to start posting videos on my own HHO cell building. Do you frequent any message boards for bouncing ideas around?
The concept of having the electrodes slotted is a sound idea. I think you may find that a combination of slotted electrodes and solid neutral plates will give you the greatest output due to the induced electric fields in the neutral plate, which will be reduced if they are slotted.
i can't wait to see your cell working hahaha nice! would you think your cell would be able to produce a good amount of hho with only .5amp? thats the thing i realy want to do. because the problem with hho that you don't get as much energy as separate water to hho with a 12v source.
hi honkytankman, i'm presently using brute force with 12 volt batteries. at .5 i don't get much production. the test is to find the optimal draw to get max production without wasting too much energy through heat dissapation.
Hi Fizzy this looks like its worth building but I do have my doubts about it, you might find that the N plats will be bypass thus getting 12V from - to + which is 10volts to much from end to end you don't want the first plate and the last to get any change to make a pathway and connect otherwise you will cook the plates, thus getting brown water I like your work so I just want to see you find something that will stand out from the rest Good Luck and all the Best
hi deltahho, most of the brown water came from 304 steel or poor water quality. i'm moving to 316l and distilled. i may get some discoloration from the brass fittings and the steel radiator but i will change the water often. thanks for the compliments. fizzy
Your current will simply run past the neutral plates instead of though them lessening your efficiency greatly! I really wouldn't do that if i were you.
I want this video on my VK900 unit.
jefffinley11 3 weeks ago
Your video is a favorite on Grenada
reubenshephe25 1 month ago
great thinking and designing. If you are looking for more surface area, would it not be better to drill small holes very close together. I just started learning about HHO, and actually built my first wet cell using Water for Gas plans. It work yet little gas. Lots to learn. Have you looked at combining a Frequency Modulator to the dry cell?
craigglewis 8 months ago
Would you gain more surface area if you cut the plates in a bias pattern? Would this restrict the flow too much?
reformed911 1 year ago
Thanx for subscribing. I was just thinking that you could use a plasma tourch or water jut to cut these groves. The water jet will not distrot the stainless because there is no heat affected zone to misshape the piece. The abrasive wheel can be costly when cutting stainless as it workhardens very easily. A good carbide blade on a metal saw (one that turns slowly <1300rpm) is ideal. I have one of these saws if you need help just let me know. Hope things are well with you. Best regards Mark
bluanvil1 3 years ago
Nice Idea. Let us know how it turns out. check
out my design under teh770. You mite want to
use part of it.
teh770 3 years ago
Very good Idea - I have been using SS screen for my electrodes for the same reasons, larger surface area and the water is able to penetrate the screen easier. My problem with screen has been connecting it to the + and - source. the screen connection deteriorates very quickly. Good Job
SpiritualMisfit 3 years ago
anxiously awaiting some 4 gang blank covers from china. i got a plan for all fins but an inch strip on top plate gapping...hum smack uses .063 i say go half that
john29302 3 years ago
I think you created LEAKAGE as you stated indirectly. + to - plate does not need to travel through neutral anymore as in a solid plate & drop V as it passes through. Not sure this will drop your V between plates. I'd say go for a +-+-+-+- design w/no neutrals & no needs of insulating, just have 5 to 7 of them running in series to drop V. Don't forget the less V will add efficiency of less heat created & higher conc. of electrolyte will be required to produce the gas under the same total A.
rudagray 3 years ago
hey rudagray, i'll give it a try. last time with solid plates i just boiled the water using +-+-. maybe with a slotted plates we will see something different. fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
Go for (+-+-) ... (+-+-) ... (+-+-) ... (+-+-)
Voltage in each will drop to 3V if supplied with 12V and uses 16 plates...
or 5 (containers) as (+-+) connected for 15 plates total, but voltage drop to 2.4V each container... going to 6 of those for 2V each would be best and 18 plates total, or to have 4 plates each and be 24 plates total will give 12 more surfaces for H and O to go to even better...Lots of experimenting ahead :)
rudagray 3 years ago
looks good.
freedomorelse 3 years ago
Im also reserching on how to tweak the O2 sensor Im convinced if you dont tweak it will nullify the hho. it will think your running lean and richen the fuel mixure defeating the hho. will keep you posted. keep up the good work.
flexican69 3 years ago
hey fizzy I used a perforated plate seemed to work good didnt heat up on my second try . still in the works. but ill tell you it appeared to produce a greater amount than the first attempt with solid plate. check my plates out hho gen up for critisizm
flexican69 3 years ago
it's an interesting idea, however, i am going to predict that you will find the amperage draw to be much higher. We tested a similar design using round 4 in SS shower drain plates(look em up) and the amperage draw was so high, it melted the 10 guage wire we were using. And, our electrolyte soup was very mild. you may find that a solid electrode plate, and these slotted as neutral plates may work better for you. but i'm only speculating...as SS says, "Just Build It!" haha
good job, man.
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
hi installguys, i looked up 10 guage and it says it's rated for 15 amps. i'm using 4 guage rated for 60 amps. i would be interested in finding out why a smaller surface area would draw more amperage. anyway, the test will show us the results. by the way i like your pressure release valve. fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
I know, we thought 10G would be fine with the super mild electrolyte solution. I don't know why it pulled so many amps. Our thought was the current leakage from the slots? That was the only thing different.We thought of making a sealed cell from the drain plates, which could have been done cheaply with o-rings and some bolts. I can't wait to see your test results, though. We are trying to develop a cell that is significantly cheaper than the EBN one. Thanks for the compliment on the EPD!
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
Fizzy, What do you think about SS Screen? the heavy gauge like is used in ozone generators?
mcarbaugh 3 years ago
hi mcarbaugh, where can i get it. i would want to separate the screens like they were plates so there would have to be a rigid perimeter. if you can direct me to a source i would appreciate it. fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
Fizzy, I have long thought about using perforated plates (50% hole to solid area) in some combination and configuration for a cell. Maybe the +s and or the -s or maybe for only the neutrals. If you did that with a 50% perforated plate would you use twice as many neutral plates or + and - and improve on perforamce ? This is direction with many questions and not many answers yet. I am glad to see someone thinking in a new direction. Trust your results not what naysayers and critics say.
RichardNStone 3 years ago
hi richardnstone, i will try additional plates as part of my test. i'm my own critic as i always use the null theory. fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
I like you work. Soon, I'm going to start posting videos on my own HHO cell building. Do you frequent any message boards for bouncing ideas around?
The concept of having the electrodes slotted is a sound idea. I think you may find that a combination of slotted electrodes and solid neutral plates will give you the greatest output due to the induced electric fields in the neutral plate, which will be reduced if they are slotted.
jameslmorehead 3 years ago
hi jameslmorehead, i will try what you suggest, thanks! fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
i can't wait to see your cell working hahaha nice! would you think your cell would be able to produce a good amount of hho with only .5amp? thats the thing i realy want to do. because the problem with hho that you don't get as much energy as separate water to hho with a 12v source.
HonKyTanKMaN 3 years ago
hi honkytankman, i'm presently using brute force with 12 volt batteries. at .5 i don't get much production. the test is to find the optimal draw to get max production without wasting too much energy through heat dissapation.
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
Hi Fizzy this looks like its worth building but I do have my doubts about it, you might find that the N plats will be bypass thus getting 12V from - to + which is 10volts to much from end to end you don't want the first plate and the last to get any change to make a pathway and connect otherwise you will cook the plates, thus getting brown water I like your work so I just want to see you find something that will stand out from the rest Good Luck and all the Best
deltahho 3 years ago
hi deltahho, most of the brown water came from 304 steel or poor water quality. i'm moving to 316l and distilled. i may get some discoloration from the brass fittings and the steel radiator but i will change the water often. thanks for the compliments. fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
area can be calculated. For instance, if the width of the slots are the same as the plate thickness, you actually don't have more area.
You have only moved the surface area that was on the face to the sides of the slot.
This still has an advantage however, in that you have increased the total length of the edging, which is a different issue than surface area.
impossible2geton 3 years ago
hi impossible2geton, seems logical doesn't it? if the electrons look for edges why not give them more edges? fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
Your current will simply run past the neutral plates instead of though them lessening your efficiency greatly! I really wouldn't do that if i were you.
flipster12000 3 years ago