fuck sake come on thers billions of people on earth only a fraction kill ,come on its gotta be someone hasnt it the odds are overwhelming,ITS BOUND TO HAPPEN AND ALWAYS WILL
Personally I don't think that these serial killers can blame what they've done on their past. I mean I know its awful what they had to deal with as children, but their has to be something wrong in you're mind to make that behavior happen.
it's been proven that the brain's of sociopaths and serial murderers have far less development in the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala, parts of the brain that contribute to feelings of empathy. also, children that don't receive enough physical contact within the first few years are deficient in these respective areas of the brain. it could've been that these mens' brains didn't develop properly simply because of a lack of physical contact within the crucial years of brain development.
You ll find out that ALL serial killers operate with in multicultural societies.
A society that it is an extended family, as nation states,makes it difficult for serial killers to appear.
You need to lack empathy for your fellow citizens to see them as pray.
While serial killers rarely attack people of their family or home towns, once they are out in the open field the hunt is on,and is simply easier when you are surrounded by people you don't recognize as your "own".
I think every reason or cause as 2 what makes some1 a serial killer & why are just antagonists or things that exacerbates an already existing thing. theres just something inside them period, something there from birth possibly who knows. but all this dysfunction, trauma,etc., again exacerbates whats already wrong inside. hopefully 1dy we'll able 2 pen point it and prevent it.
So, we all watched a 3 part series about the childhood of a serial killer. Now, who of those people have had thoughts at least...Who thinks they have tendencies, and who has traits of a serial killer?
@efee52 That's a glib response. You sound like you've just stated a self-fulfilling prophesy but i'm still not satisfied as to where "the drive to kill" comes from. And what IS "The drive to kill". Is it like "The urge to drink"? I find all this dime-store psychoanalyzing very confusing.
@viasarffatti why do you think that? 90% of serial killers suffered terrible trauma of some kind or another. So.. i'm not sure how you can come to this conclusion. Of course 90% of people who suffer terrible trauma do not hurt others. But... they DO hurt themselves, don't they? Get in patterns of abuse or addiction or self-mutilation. There is something special (we'll use the word special.. there is no better one) that happens to a serial killer.
@viasarffatti I think that "special" thing that happens to a serial killer is that they shut their minds down. And simply "Fuck you all, human race." I liken serial killers to serial con-artists, serial liars or other kinds of sociopaths. For some reason or another, they stopped giving a shit.
@viasarffatti I hear what you're saying, but I do believe there are other factors...I think they're sociopaths a born condition. I think it spawns from that...just my thought.
After reviewing the 3 clips following intense personal research on the subjects of serial, mass, and spree murder(ers), I have come to a conclusion that the very first act committed by the perpetrators of these heinous killings began as a subtle attempt to fulfill fantastic desires with a willing participant that just went way too far, and once these troubled, monstrous future murderers started, they couldn't stop. They never stop until they either get bored and sloppy and get caught, or suicide
Obviously Bundy was trying to hide his major weakness (childhood), he has to stay in control of himself & the interviewer to masquerade his own feelings of self importance, although they also feel like failures in the eyes of society. That's why these interviews annoy me because the interviewer is a reporter that is just looking for an exclusive story but they're also catering to the ego of these animals & giving them gratification of reliving their crimes...
what point was this documentary trying to make? if it was that because these guys had disruptive childhoods it turned them into serial killers its bollocks....back to the drawing boad methinks
@manchesterblue You thinking it's bollocks is really bollocks...back to the drawing board me thinks.
There fucked up childhoods played a MAJOR role in their becoming serial killers. The truth is the truth whether you want to admit it or not. whether you can see it or not.
@MrMansson10 By your logic anyone who suffered as they did when they were kids should turn out to be a serial killer. Nonesense. Countless millions have had worse childhoods have and have grown to become law abiding citizens. You might argue that their childhood was a contributory factor (of which I'm not convinced) but it was not a MAJOR factor. Not all serial killers had terrible childhoods (Jeffrey Dahmer) and not all those who had terrible childhoods turned out to be serial killers
@manchesterblue No, not anyone, most at the least. I'm saying due to being unique there are individuals who will respond like that. No, what's nonsense is assuming that just because "millions who had worse childhoods growing up to be law abiding citizens" has any to do with those who dont. It s a MAJOR factor, wether you want to admit it or not. You have a limited view of what terrible is. Dahmer didnt have a terrible childhood? Being ostracised and what not by one's peers is terrible in itself-
@MrMansson10 Dahmer was ostracicized because of his own actions and behaviour...not because he was unfairly judged by anyone. He had a caring and loving family who did all they could to help him through his difficulties. You just need to accept that something switches off in people like this preventing them from restraint and its very little if anything to do with their social development
@manchesterblue Dont be daft. Those actions and behaviours wer in fact unfairly judged by his peers, that's thereason hewas ostracised. Againg the unique individual comes into play, they all expected him to act in a certain way;theway society commands everyone to act, when hedidnt they shunned,ridiculed and therefor ostricising him. It shouldnt have mattered how he "acted" hewas an unique individual expressing his personality. He was REAL they were fake. He had personality, they had PERSONAS.
@manchesterblue I've noticed you havent told me how in your words, "making wild and uninformed generalisations is naive and dangerous." Instead of making statements out of your ass, give the reason for saying such.
@MrMansson10 I would have thought that was apparent but here goes:'There fucked up childhoods played a MAJOR role in their becoming serial killers.' Guesswork and conjecture.'wether you want to admit it or not. You have a limited view of what terrible is' Presupposition and quite frankly offensive.'Instead of making statements out of your ass' Im using a keyboard. 'I can assure you that even though those who dont grow up to become murderers are affected still in different ways'Irrelevant.
@MrMansson10 'I can assure you that even though those who dont grow up to become murderers are affected still in different ways' This statement is irrelevant as its got nothing to do with my original statement which you attempted to contradict. It may be relevant to your argument...but thats because youre veering away from the original post.
@manchesterblue particularly when it's driven into ppl's heads that they NEED companionship of every kind and noone gives you that companionship, because they cant be bothered. It doesnt matter. Remember uniqueness? No two humans are alike,so,they respond even to the same things differently. I can assure you that even though those who dont grow up to become murderers are affected still in different ways. You have committed the moral majority logical fallacy,which is not logical at all. nonsense
@MrMansson10 and you have generalised to the point where it becomes dangerous...how many clues have been overlooked and trails abandoned because of uninformed wild generalisations like yours?...I shudder to think, Me committing a fallacy?...thats rich...lol
@manchesterblue When it comes to abilities,talents and such like that it's admtted that everyone is unique and differ in those areas, but when it comes to the SAME fact about serial killers/mass murderers, it's said to be wild and uninformed generalisations. Either both are "wild uninformed generalisations" or neither are.
The truth is hard to look at isnt it. Well, shudder then, to stupidly base something on theactions/mindstates of the greatest number of ppl is a fallacy and retarded.
@MrMansson10 No, the generalisation Im referring to is when people look at someones childhood ( sometimes they just assume without research) and attribute their actions to it. What 'SAME facts' are you referring to? Im afraid your statement doesnt make any sense whatsoever.
@manchesterblue Looking at their childhoods and lives and words in general in an analytical light is research. LOL What exactly are you calling research? The SAME facts I'm refering to is just as individuals have UNIQUE abilities,talents etc from one another, so, too do each individual respond to events in their life in an UNIQUE way. Two people both were molested by the muffin man one grows up to be a serial killer, the other spends his life in therapy, two UNIQUE responses to the same event.
@MrMansson10 Did you have to think long and hard before you contradicted yourself? Following that logic another person experiencing the same childhood could become president (which I agree with) What use is attributing these experiences to the actions of a serial killer when we already know the results can be so diverse?
@manchesterblue What is the use is right because people cant get it through their thick skulls anyway. However, it does have a point and that point is that to put it simply serial killers and mass murderers even are effects of a cause and the cause is their shitty childhoods and lives full of abuses, traumas, rejections and on and on.
@MrMansson10 'mass murderers even are effects of a cause and the cause is their shitty childhoods and lives full of abuses, traumas, rejections and on and on.'
I disagree and you havent provided one shred of evidence to prove it
@manchesterblue The "generalisation"isnt that all but it is assuming that just because every average joe citizen does the same thing, act the same way think (which is an understatement as that's barely done by you things) the same thing etc it's assumed that that's a measuring stick to judge the actions and that of others. That's what's naive. btw calling something naive because it's too hard to handle and frankly goes over your head doesnt make it so..
@manchesterblue If that statement didnt make sense to you it's obvious you lack proper brain function. The meaning of what I was gettingat was contained in that entire paragraph. Wow!!!
@manchesterblue I agree it's very obvious we'renoton the same intellectual level, you're just hopelessly stupid.
Things are just going right over your head arent they? Those "emotive epressions"ofmine also had todo with the amazement of your sheer lack of proper brain function.
@MrMansson10 I already know tht people are affected by difficulties in their childhood...thanks for the reminder...to suggest that it was a raison d'etre for a serial killer to ply his trade is naive at best and dangerous at worst
@MrMansson10 Its naive because its much too simplistic and not based in fact. Its dangerous because its misleading and leaves us susceptible to jumping to conclusions. If we attribute a serial killers actions to a troubled childhood it suggests that in some way we can use this to identify such offenders. As I alluded to before this may or may not play a role in their 'development' as offenders, however, its much too sweeping a generalisation to be of much use in recognising them.
@manchesterblue It's based completey in fact. come now you cant be this moronic can you? I mean I knew the majority of people are just plain retarded, but I had no idea that it was this retarded.
What psyche "professionals" tell you is misleading and not based in fact. It doesnt matter the majority are susceptible anyway, they swallow whatever lie their society tells them.
@MrMansson10 Based completely in fact? Really? I dont need to quote any psyche professionals as you call them. The burden of proof lies with you. If you say its based in fact where is the evidence? Youre the one being predictable by swallowing the internet myth that you should contradict everything just because 'hey its a public forum and I can say what I like' Although this is true you need a little more substance to make your argument plausible.
You contradicted yourself by saying that having a difficult childhood is a Major factor yet you also state that such events affect different people in different ways. If you had said its possible that some of these people may have been influenced by traumatic events that would be more plausible. You didnt.
ps. You might learn something about debate if 1. You thought about what you said previously 2. You dropped the childish insults and 3. You stopped being so emo.
@manchesterblue Wow! lol that's not a contradiction, to say something major factor in someone's life, whie admitting thatdifferent people are affected in different ways isnt a contradiction. Something canstill be a major factor and still effect different people in different ways, which ever way they are affected is still due to the catalyst.A person who dont murder but does therapy is affected differently from the one who murders, but the childhood is still the defing feature of both.
@MrMansson10 Its a contradiction because you suggest that having a difficult childhood is a Major factor to becoming a serial killer yet you agree that having a difficult childhood affects different people in different ways. Given the FACT that serial killers have NOT all had difficult childhoods just goes to underline the contradiction more clearly. People who have had difficult childhoods do not necessarliy become serial killers. People who havent may well do. Its really not that complicated.
@manchesterblue I see the truism of not casting your pearls before swine more than ever. I show you pearls and you just trample on them with your stupidity. You hae proven yourself to be more than a bit daft, you haveproven yourself to be a complete mong.
@MrMansson10 Youre the gift that keeps on giving...lol...You claim not to be emotive yet come out with childish insults in the absence of any logical debate. Thank you for honouring us with your 'pearls of wisdom' You'll forgive me if I dont make reference to them elsewhere though for fear of ridicule.
@manchesterblue ps. I. think about what I say 2.I insult those who desreve it those who cant tell their asshole from a muddy hole. 3. I dont get emotional. I dont get caught up inmy emotions like the rest of you things and besides 1 2 and 3 of your ps has nothing to do with anything. Talk about childish.
@manchesterblue ps.1. I think about what I say 2.I insult those who desreve it those who cant tell their asshole from a muddy hole. 3. I dont get emotional. I dont get caught up inmy emotions like the rest of you things and besides 1 2 and 3 of your ps has nothing to do with anything. Talk about childish.
@MrMansson10 Im presuming that I deserve to be insulted because Im debating with you. Thats clever huh? You say you dont get emotional yet your answers are full of emotive expressions...you really are fond of contradicting yourself arent you?
@manchesterblue No, not because you're debating with me. If they were full of emotive epressions it was because in a moment of weakness I tried to convince of you of the truth and I dont normally do that when I make statements it's usually for self serving and research purposes. I forgotten that the majority ofpeople are truth denyers and cant reconise truth even it was a snake that bit them.
@MrMansson10 'I dont normally do that when I make statements it's usually for self serving and research purposes'
Huh? Youre comedy gold mate...lol (oops I forgot youre on a totally different intellectual plane than the rest of us so I couldnt possibly hope to understand...either that or youre a plank..I know which option im convinced of)
@manchesterblue far as your claim that I contradicted myself when I stated that abuse/trauma is a major factor in a person becoming a serial killer and how different people are afectedin different ways just proves thelowmentalfaculties of themajority of humans, If you think it's a contradiction fine think what you want it's not my problem, it's something you have to deal with, besides I had pointed out how it's not a contradiction, but it just goes right over your head.
@MrMansson10 You made a half assed attempt to backtrack...thats not the same as disproving something. But I guess youre right...were just not ready for your razor sharp intellect. Im so glad youre much more mentally astute than the majority of humans and thats why your keen and insightful posts go right over my head.
@manchesterblue Now, I see why it's a truism about not casting your pearls before swine. I show you pearls and you just trample on them with your stupidityand this why I insult you...you can be more than a bit daft, you can be an outright mong.
I enjoyed your video, i studied the relationship between animal cruelty-a predictor of future violence while earning my B.T.P.S. Although your last remarks I disagree with, I feel at least empirically we see 10% of serial killers have a normal childhood. Reviewing only the most famous killers for as a study creates a variable with not truely represeting over 5000 serial killers documented that have not made the evening news. These folks are regular people who we dont think of to include?
@wildnights69 None is born to want to kill other humans,a catalyst has brought that on. ABUSIVE traumaticetc catalysts. You have a very limited view of what "normal" childhodd is and no wonder you were SCHOOLED in bullshit and it's obvious you're a typical societal slave beholden and enthralled to the insane lies and hypocricies.
@wildnights69 Its good to see someone add some logic to the debate and actually back their statement up with research. I wouldnt worry too much about the fools who think its a good idea to insult you without any semblance of a rational counter argument. Good post.
@manchesterblue Thanks for commenting! I've found that within most debates the average student will argue from his or her personal moral foundation, instead of utilizing "progressive" emperical facts. Personally I feel if each individual studies one specific causal factor for "why serial killers have evolved into...",we could come forward with a list of factual criteria to identify possible threats before they become deadly. I find preteen cruelty to animals as a core predictor for the future.
@wildnights69 It certainly seems to be a common theme which would be difficult to ignore. I'd be more inclined to match certain criteria to behavioural patterns for predictive purposes. Eg, someone with a volatile nature, narcissistic and with an absence of empathy who displays the kind of behaviour you describe may be likely to offend. They may 'act out' in many different ways and may react to rejection or abuse differently. I believe it takes something innate to cross the line into offending.
@manchesterblue I have obsessed over serial murder for about 13 years, I find the subject very stimulating. I had the opportunity to meet a few of the guys on death row over the years through project impact and other programs. I personally enjoy the works of Gary L. Francione. His research made sense to me, which lead me to further study the animal cruelty relationship. Additionally, I feel biological and environmental factors combine to explain the devious mind.
I enjoyed your video, i studied the relationship between animal cruelty-a predictor of future violence while earning my B.T.P.S. Although your last remarks I disagree with, I feel at least empirically we see 10% of serial killers have a normal childhood. Reviewing only the most famous killers for as a study creates a variable with not truely represeting over 5000 serial killers documented that have not made the evening news. These folks are regular people who we dont think of?
I enjoyed your video, i studied the relationship between animal cruelty-a predictor of future violence while earning my B.T.P.S. Although your last remarks I disagree with, I feel at least empirically we see 10% of serial killers have a normal childhood. Reviewing only the most famous killers for as a study creates a variable with not truely represeting over 5000 serial killers documented that have not made the evening news. These folks are regular people who we dont think of?
Alot of people grow up with messed up childhoods, but never end up serial killers. People have sick fantasies, myself included, but never end up acting them out. Alot of people who have actually killed another or been around dead bodies(Military, morgue, etc) don't end up serial killers(Plenty of PSTD though). Even most psychopaths don't end up serial killers. I don't think anyone will ever figure serial killers out.
True abuse is always hidden well behind closed doors by sociopaths. Emotional / mental abuse is always more silent and more damaging than outright physical. What comes to mind...'he was quiet, never let on...'
This is exactly what cps and juvenile/'family' korts are doing to the youth of this nation and the world currently, hence the rise in violence, shootings amongst the young, etc. They know what they are doing; all the fed and state conferences and studies (a form of think tank) and mind control, manipulation of the masses. History repeats and lessons are relearned and exploited.
Did Hannibal Rising (right movie?) use Chikatilo's life for the movie? Because in the movie he was some wealthy Eastern European boy whose sister and parents were cannibalized by the Nazis. Sounds to me like a loose adaptation of Chikatilo.
@TheTravelfool Hannibal Lectre and the movies were all inspired by true cases. The Silence of the Lambs was inspired by the Green River(I think), Rimirez, and another killer I can't name at the moment(also inspired Texas Chainsaw Massacre). Clarice was based on a real female officer who dealt with serial killers.
Thomas Harris who wrote 'Silence of the lambs' was inspired by Ed Gein (skinning etc) and Ted Bundy (cast lure) for the character of Jame Gumb...I think there must be one more, but cant remember now.
Great video and definitely an interesting topic, deff stimulates debate over the psychology of the deviant. P.s sorry abouyt spelling errors my keyboard is effed
Moreover, Scientists have studied Psychopaths brains and their seems to be an inherent inadequacy of certain regions of the brain related to fear, emotion and most of all empathy, being able to feel for another person. Psychopaths are born with these brain disabilities and so it seems to stem more from genetic influences. So aalthough the nature vs. nurture debate could go on forever I do believe Genetics plays a significant role in the behaviours of psychopaths and serial murderes. Good video!
Well your theories are good but under researched and a bit cliche. I agree that childhood traumas do influence how the person perceives things and affects their behaviour. However as Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer have stated that had relatively good childhoods I'd even go as far to say better than average. Also there are many individuals who go through horrific and traumatic events in their childhood who do not become murderers at all.
But Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer also glamorise their childhoods intensely and see their parents as perfect. The Christian upbringing Bundy experienced made him feel ashamed and guilty for many of his feelings so he retreated into a private world.
@TheScriabin From the mouth of Bundy himself, though. The guy was a master of manipulation, so I don't believe a word of what he said in his interview. He may know how to emulate a thoughtful, remorseful person - but the monster that he was, there was no way that was the real him. Wasn't his two main ways of killing like strangulation and bludgeoning? Can you imagine bludgeoning a terrified woman to death?
Alot of them have father issues , seen something wrong with the mother or been psychologically fcked with somehow, lied to or neglected maybe at some point. Ted bundy said he had a normal chilhood in the interview. Well for years he thought his mother was his sister and his grandparents were his parents. THATS NOT NORMAL. It would screw me up if i found out my sister was my mother. He knew something was wrong to, he laid out knives around her when she was asleep pointing towards her head.
My dad was a drunk pig, he tried to kill my mom 2 times,he hanged himself when i was 12 yrs old IM GONNA KILL MY MOMMY MY DADDY WANTS ME TO DO IT HAIL JESUS MARY FOR SHIT
@nyran125 That's a really good point. I think they were trying to gloss over things. Dahmer actually felt really guilty I think and didn't want his parents to be blamed. There might have been things that happened that no one will talk about. I think Bundy was just trying to look good to the outside world and was mimicking what he thought seemed to be contrition.
@Acetopy2 it was a final assignment (high level english) that made up most of my final grade (12th grade).. i was told to do a research paper on any topic that interests me, and psychological analysis of the minds of serial killers actually really does for some reason haha. i got a pretty good grade too :D
@KillerQueen247 No doubt your good grade was because your "analysis" was the usual societal drivel about bullshit and rehashingof what whore psyche "professionals" have said. This just in!! Society says the sky is purple!!!! So,You better run along and stick it in your head that the sky is purple.
I think people are born sociopaths and then it spawns with the trauma after that.
VIKING33NY 3 weeks ago
fuck sake come on thers billions of people on earth only a fraction kill ,come on its gotta be someone hasnt it the odds are overwhelming,ITS BOUND TO HAPPEN AND ALWAYS WILL
MyOatesy 4 weeks ago
Personally I don't think that these serial killers can blame what they've done on their past. I mean I know its awful what they had to deal with as children, but their has to be something wrong in you're mind to make that behavior happen.
rock1chica 1 month ago
These videos show what is wrong with being queer.
oldfart387 2 months ago
Wait day dreaming is natural as a kid unless you cant tell the difference
jezza1789 2 months ago
it's been proven that the brain's of sociopaths and serial murderers have far less development in the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala, parts of the brain that contribute to feelings of empathy. also, children that don't receive enough physical contact within the first few years are deficient in these respective areas of the brain. it could've been that these mens' brains didn't develop properly simply because of a lack of physical contact within the crucial years of brain development.
Lifesucksdie123 2 months ago
The most important thing you can DO is to FEEL deeply and compassionately about human life.
surgerryy 2 months ago
A serial killer:
1. Born "that way"...and never being recognized for it until its too late.
2. Born "that way"....and pushed into it by social circumstance (very young age killers.)
3. Born normal.....and being forced into it by social circumstances.
hsgmsj 4 months ago
Mr Levin's moustache should be removed and destroyed.It is simply OUTRAGEOUS.
sallymaggiespotty 4 months ago
You ll find out that ALL serial killers operate with in multicultural societies.
A society that it is an extended family, as nation states,makes it difficult for serial killers to appear.
You need to lack empathy for your fellow citizens to see them as pray.
While serial killers rarely attack people of their family or home towns, once they are out in the open field the hunt is on,and is simply easier when you are surrounded by people you don't recognize as your "own".
AmetReloads 4 months ago
I think every reason or cause as 2 what makes some1 a serial killer & why are just antagonists or things that exacerbates an already existing thing. theres just something inside them period, something there from birth possibly who knows. but all this dysfunction, trauma,etc., again exacerbates whats already wrong inside. hopefully 1dy we'll able 2 pen point it and prevent it.
MARVIA35 6 months ago
So, we all watched a 3 part series about the childhood of a serial killer. Now, who of those people have had thoughts at least...Who thinks they have tendencies, and who has traits of a serial killer?
TheJellyfish55 7 months ago
@TheJellyfish55
daydreaming, isolation- sounds like me- well you know that the motives can vary.
one doesnt know if the person is daydreaming about unicorns and a peaceful paradise or about killing people. ;)
i couldnt hurt a fly (im serious, i dont kill bugs) ;)
paranapoleon 7 months ago
@TheJellyfish55 I would think a lot of people would have those traits, at least I got quite some of them.
guypp20 6 months ago
the affirmations are , I think , widely based I fill all three criteria..but I could never hurt another person..just my opinion.
eyeboule 7 months ago
I believe that anybody can be a serial killer.Growing up in a good family or not...
viasarffatti 10 months ago 15
@viasarffatti correct if they have the drive to kill it's just them that can induce that drive
efee52 9 months ago
@efee52 That's a glib response. You sound like you've just stated a self-fulfilling prophesy but i'm still not satisfied as to where "the drive to kill" comes from. And what IS "The drive to kill". Is it like "The urge to drink"? I find all this dime-store psychoanalyzing very confusing.
groovylocks 8 months ago
@viasarffatti why do you think that? 90% of serial killers suffered terrible trauma of some kind or another. So.. i'm not sure how you can come to this conclusion. Of course 90% of people who suffer terrible trauma do not hurt others. But... they DO hurt themselves, don't they? Get in patterns of abuse or addiction or self-mutilation. There is something special (we'll use the word special.. there is no better one) that happens to a serial killer.
groovylocks 8 months ago
@viasarffatti I think that "special" thing that happens to a serial killer is that they shut their minds down. And simply "Fuck you all, human race." I liken serial killers to serial con-artists, serial liars or other kinds of sociopaths. For some reason or another, they stopped giving a shit.
groovylocks 8 months ago
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@viasarffatti Any white person
ellisonwrigh60srage 8 months ago
@viasarffatti I hear what you're saying, but I do believe there are other factors...I think they're sociopaths a born condition. I think it spawns from that...just my thought.
VIKING33NY 3 weeks ago
After reviewing the 3 clips following intense personal research on the subjects of serial, mass, and spree murder(ers), I have come to a conclusion that the very first act committed by the perpetrators of these heinous killings began as a subtle attempt to fulfill fantastic desires with a willing participant that just went way too far, and once these troubled, monstrous future murderers started, they couldn't stop. They never stop until they either get bored and sloppy and get caught, or suicide
juanson24 10 months ago
The very last part of this video is most meaningful. (C. Manson)
carrywet 11 months ago
Obviously Bundy was trying to hide his major weakness (childhood), he has to stay in control of himself & the interviewer to masquerade his own feelings of self importance, although they also feel like failures in the eyes of society. That's why these interviews annoy me because the interviewer is a reporter that is just looking for an exclusive story but they're also catering to the ego of these animals & giving them gratification of reliving their crimes...
BariAndolini 11 months ago
2:33 his impotence? lol have they ever considered that he was asexual?
Stupid, people are all so stupid.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
Manson needs a good slap in the face
nappa666 11 months ago
what point was this documentary trying to make? if it was that because these guys had disruptive childhoods it turned them into serial killers its bollocks....back to the drawing boad methinks
manchesterblue 1 year ago
@manchesterblue You thinking it's bollocks is really bollocks...back to the drawing board me thinks.
There fucked up childhoods played a MAJOR role in their becoming serial killers. The truth is the truth whether you want to admit it or not. whether you can see it or not.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 By your logic anyone who suffered as they did when they were kids should turn out to be a serial killer. Nonesense. Countless millions have had worse childhoods have and have grown to become law abiding citizens. You might argue that their childhood was a contributory factor (of which I'm not convinced) but it was not a MAJOR factor. Not all serial killers had terrible childhoods (Jeffrey Dahmer) and not all those who had terrible childhoods turned out to be serial killers
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue No, not anyone, most at the least. I'm saying due to being unique there are individuals who will respond like that. No, what's nonsense is assuming that just because "millions who had worse childhoods growing up to be law abiding citizens" has any to do with those who dont. It s a MAJOR factor, wether you want to admit it or not. You have a limited view of what terrible is. Dahmer didnt have a terrible childhood? Being ostracised and what not by one's peers is terrible in itself-
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Dahmer was ostracicized because of his own actions and behaviour...not because he was unfairly judged by anyone. He had a caring and loving family who did all they could to help him through his difficulties. You just need to accept that something switches off in people like this preventing them from restraint and its very little if anything to do with their social development
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue Dont be daft. Those actions and behaviours wer in fact unfairly judged by his peers, that's thereason hewas ostracised. Againg the unique individual comes into play, they all expected him to act in a certain way;theway society commands everyone to act, when hedidnt they shunned,ridiculed and therefor ostricising him. It shouldnt have mattered how he "acted" hewas an unique individual expressing his personality. He was REAL they were fake. He had personality, they had PERSONAS.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@manchesterblue I've noticed you havent told me how in your words, "making wild and uninformed generalisations is naive and dangerous." Instead of making statements out of your ass, give the reason for saying such.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 I would have thought that was apparent but here goes:'There fucked up childhoods played a MAJOR role in their becoming serial killers.' Guesswork and conjecture.'wether you want to admit it or not. You have a limited view of what terrible is' Presupposition and quite frankly offensive.'Instead of making statements out of your ass' Im using a keyboard. 'I can assure you that even though those who dont grow up to become murderers are affected still in different ways'Irrelevant.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue How is it irrelevant, when I used that to make a point? Wow!!!
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 'I can assure you that even though those who dont grow up to become murderers are affected still in different ways' This statement is irrelevant as its got nothing to do with my original statement which you attempted to contradict. It may be relevant to your argument...but thats because youre veering away from the original post.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue How am I veering away from the original post?
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@manchesterblue particularly when it's driven into ppl's heads that they NEED companionship of every kind and noone gives you that companionship, because they cant be bothered. It doesnt matter. Remember uniqueness? No two humans are alike,so,they respond even to the same things differently. I can assure you that even though those who dont grow up to become murderers are affected still in different ways. You have committed the moral majority logical fallacy,which is not logical at all. nonsense
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 and you have generalised to the point where it becomes dangerous...how many clues have been overlooked and trails abandoned because of uninformed wild generalisations like yours?...I shudder to think, Me committing a fallacy?...thats rich...lol
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue When it comes to abilities,talents and such like that it's admtted that everyone is unique and differ in those areas, but when it comes to the SAME fact about serial killers/mass murderers, it's said to be wild and uninformed generalisations. Either both are "wild uninformed generalisations" or neither are.
The truth is hard to look at isnt it. Well, shudder then, to stupidly base something on theactions/mindstates of the greatest number of ppl is a fallacy and retarded.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 No, the generalisation Im referring to is when people look at someones childhood ( sometimes they just assume without research) and attribute their actions to it. What 'SAME facts' are you referring to? Im afraid your statement doesnt make any sense whatsoever.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue Looking at their childhoods and lives and words in general in an analytical light is research. LOL What exactly are you calling research? The SAME facts I'm refering to is just as individuals have UNIQUE abilities,talents etc from one another, so, too do each individual respond to events in their life in an UNIQUE way. Two people both were molested by the muffin man one grows up to be a serial killer, the other spends his life in therapy, two UNIQUE responses to the same event.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Did you have to think long and hard before you contradicted yourself? Following that logic another person experiencing the same childhood could become president (which I agree with) What use is attributing these experiences to the actions of a serial killer when we already know the results can be so diverse?
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue What is the use is right because people cant get it through their thick skulls anyway. However, it does have a point and that point is that to put it simply serial killers and mass murderers even are effects of a cause and the cause is their shitty childhoods and lives full of abuses, traumas, rejections and on and on.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 'mass murderers even are effects of a cause and the cause is their shitty childhoods and lives full of abuses, traumas, rejections and on and on.'
I disagree and you havent provided one shred of evidence to prove it
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue Their lives and actions/crimes are the proof.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@manchesterblue The "generalisation"isnt that all but it is assuming that just because every average joe citizen does the same thing, act the same way think (which is an understatement as that's barely done by you things) the same thing etc it's assumed that that's a measuring stick to judge the actions and that of others. That's what's naive. btw calling something naive because it's too hard to handle and frankly goes over your head doesnt make it so..
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Im afraid the only thing that is too hard to handle is your writing stye. Try coherent sentences next time
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue If that statement didnt make sense to you it's obvious you lack proper brain function. The meaning of what I was gettingat was contained in that entire paragraph. Wow!!!
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 ' The meaning of what I was gettingat was contained in that entire paragraph.'
In that case its obvious were not on the same intellectual level and I'll let you go get angry at someone else.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue I agree it's very obvious we'renoton the same intellectual level, you're just hopelessly stupid.
Things are just going right over your head arent they? Those "emotive epressions"ofmine also had todo with the amazement of your sheer lack of proper brain function.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 I guess we'll let the debate judges decide that...lol. If I were you though I wouldnt apply for mensa anytime soon.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 I already know tht people are affected by difficulties in their childhood...thanks for the reminder...to suggest that it was a raison d'etre for a serial killer to ply his trade is naive at best and dangerous at worst
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue It's neither naive or dangerous. Tell me, how is it naive or dangerous for that matter?
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Its naive because its much too simplistic and not based in fact. Its dangerous because its misleading and leaves us susceptible to jumping to conclusions. If we attribute a serial killers actions to a troubled childhood it suggests that in some way we can use this to identify such offenders. As I alluded to before this may or may not play a role in their 'development' as offenders, however, its much too sweeping a generalisation to be of much use in recognising them.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue It's based completey in fact. come now you cant be this moronic can you? I mean I knew the majority of people are just plain retarded, but I had no idea that it was this retarded.
What psyche "professionals" tell you is misleading and not based in fact. It doesnt matter the majority are susceptible anyway, they swallow whatever lie their society tells them.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Based completely in fact? Really? I dont need to quote any psyche professionals as you call them. The burden of proof lies with you. If you say its based in fact where is the evidence? Youre the one being predictable by swallowing the internet myth that you should contradict everything just because 'hey its a public forum and I can say what I like' Although this is true you need a little more substance to make your argument plausible.
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MrMansson10 11 months ago
You contradicted yourself by saying that having a difficult childhood is a Major factor yet you also state that such events affect different people in different ways. If you had said its possible that some of these people may have been influenced by traumatic events that would be more plausible. You didnt.
ps. You might learn something about debate if 1. You thought about what you said previously 2. You dropped the childish insults and 3. You stopped being so emo.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue Wow! lol that's not a contradiction, to say something major factor in someone's life, whie admitting thatdifferent people are affected in different ways isnt a contradiction. Something canstill be a major factor and still effect different people in different ways, which ever way they are affected is still due to the catalyst.A person who dont murder but does therapy is affected differently from the one who murders, but the childhood is still the defing feature of both.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Its a contradiction because you suggest that having a difficult childhood is a Major factor to becoming a serial killer yet you agree that having a difficult childhood affects different people in different ways. Given the FACT that serial killers have NOT all had difficult childhoods just goes to underline the contradiction more clearly. People who have had difficult childhoods do not necessarliy become serial killers. People who havent may well do. Its really not that complicated.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
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@manchesterblue I see the truism of not casting your pearls before swine more than ever. I show you pearls and you just trample on them with your stupidity. You hae proven yourself to be more than a bit daft, you haveproven yourself to be a complete mong.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Youre the gift that keeps on giving...lol...You claim not to be emotive yet come out with childish insults in the absence of any logical debate. Thank you for honouring us with your 'pearls of wisdom' You'll forgive me if I dont make reference to them elsewhere though for fear of ridicule.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue ps. I. think about what I say 2.I insult those who desreve it those who cant tell their asshole from a muddy hole. 3. I dont get emotional. I dont get caught up inmy emotions like the rest of you things and besides 1 2 and 3 of your ps has nothing to do with anything. Talk about childish.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
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@manchesterblue ps.1. I think about what I say 2.I insult those who desreve it those who cant tell their asshole from a muddy hole. 3. I dont get emotional. I dont get caught up inmy emotions like the rest of you things and besides 1 2 and 3 of your ps has nothing to do with anything. Talk about childish.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 Im presuming that I deserve to be insulted because Im debating with you. Thats clever huh? You say you dont get emotional yet your answers are full of emotive expressions...you really are fond of contradicting yourself arent you?
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue No, not because you're debating with me. If they were full of emotive epressions it was because in a moment of weakness I tried to convince of you of the truth and I dont normally do that when I make statements it's usually for self serving and research purposes. I forgotten that the majority ofpeople are truth denyers and cant reconise truth even it was a snake that bit them.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
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@MrMansson10 'I dont normally do that when I make statements it's usually for self serving and research purposes'
Huh? Youre comedy gold mate...lol (oops I forgot youre on a totally different intellectual plane than the rest of us so I couldnt possibly hope to understand...either that or youre a plank..I know which option im convinced of)
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue far as your claim that I contradicted myself when I stated that abuse/trauma is a major factor in a person becoming a serial killer and how different people are afectedin different ways just proves thelowmentalfaculties of themajority of humans, If you think it's a contradiction fine think what you want it's not my problem, it's something you have to deal with, besides I had pointed out how it's not a contradiction, but it just goes right over your head.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@MrMansson10 You made a half assed attempt to backtrack...thats not the same as disproving something. But I guess youre right...were just not ready for your razor sharp intellect. Im so glad youre much more mentally astute than the majority of humans and thats why your keen and insightful posts go right over my head.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
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MrMansson10 11 months ago
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@manchesterblue Now, I see why it's a truism about not casting your pearls before swine. I show you pearls and you just trample on them with your stupidityand this why I insult you...you can be more than a bit daft, you can be an outright mong.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@manchesterblue How do you figure I contradicted myself? I did no such thing. *sigh* their LIVES and ACTIONS are the facts omg!!
MrMansson10 11 months ago
what did manson say at the end??
da da dat that all folks...
jxqrto 1 year ago 2
@jxqrto LLS
MARVIA35 6 months ago
@jxqrto I'm nobody
MrJtr75 5 months ago
@jxqrto I'm nobody
MrJtr75 5 months ago
CHIKATILO WAS MOST DISGUSTING SERIAL KILLER I HEARD!
but in Russia phedophiles and serial killers get bullet in the head!
ssrider7 1 year ago
a dad killed by nazis, a mom raiped by naizis an older brother whom got eaten by his family
and he cant preforme sexually, give him a break....
Youand1death 1 year ago
Crazy...I'm glad I didn't end up like this. Life is hard...
apmcland 1 year ago
Andrei Chikatilo is easier for me to empathise with because it doesn't look like one good thing ever fucking happened to him lol
Dolphidood 1 year ago
I enjoyed your video, i studied the relationship between animal cruelty-a predictor of future violence while earning my B.T.P.S. Although your last remarks I disagree with, I feel at least empirically we see 10% of serial killers have a normal childhood. Reviewing only the most famous killers for as a study creates a variable with not truely represeting over 5000 serial killers documented that have not made the evening news. These folks are regular people who we dont think of to include?
wildnights69 1 year ago
@wildnights69 None is born to want to kill other humans,a catalyst has brought that on. ABUSIVE traumaticetc catalysts. You have a very limited view of what "normal" childhodd is and no wonder you were SCHOOLED in bullshit and it's obvious you're a typical societal slave beholden and enthralled to the insane lies and hypocricies.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@wildnights69 Its good to see someone add some logic to the debate and actually back their statement up with research. I wouldnt worry too much about the fools who think its a good idea to insult you without any semblance of a rational counter argument. Good post.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue Thanks for commenting! I've found that within most debates the average student will argue from his or her personal moral foundation, instead of utilizing "progressive" emperical facts. Personally I feel if each individual studies one specific causal factor for "why serial killers have evolved into...",we could come forward with a list of factual criteria to identify possible threats before they become deadly. I find preteen cruelty to animals as a core predictor for the future.
wildnights69 11 months ago
@wildnights69 It certainly seems to be a common theme which would be difficult to ignore. I'd be more inclined to match certain criteria to behavioural patterns for predictive purposes. Eg, someone with a volatile nature, narcissistic and with an absence of empathy who displays the kind of behaviour you describe may be likely to offend. They may 'act out' in many different ways and may react to rejection or abuse differently. I believe it takes something innate to cross the line into offending.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
@manchesterblue I have obsessed over serial murder for about 13 years, I find the subject very stimulating. I had the opportunity to meet a few of the guys on death row over the years through project impact and other programs. I personally enjoy the works of Gary L. Francione. His research made sense to me, which lead me to further study the animal cruelty relationship. Additionally, I feel biological and environmental factors combine to explain the devious mind.
wildnights69 11 months ago
@wildnights69 I have to confess to obesessing somewhat myself. I'll look into Francoine, thanks for the pointer.
You may find the works of Robert Ressler interesting. He was among the first to develop psychological profiling as a means of tracking down offenders.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
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I enjoyed your video, i studied the relationship between animal cruelty-a predictor of future violence while earning my B.T.P.S. Although your last remarks I disagree with, I feel at least empirically we see 10% of serial killers have a normal childhood. Reviewing only the most famous killers for as a study creates a variable with not truely represeting over 5000 serial killers documented that have not made the evening news. These folks are regular people who we dont think of?
wildnights69 1 year ago
I enjoyed your video, i studied the relationship between animal cruelty-a predictor of future violence while earning my B.T.P.S. Although your last remarks I disagree with, I feel at least empirically we see 10% of serial killers have a normal childhood. Reviewing only the most famous killers for as a study creates a variable with not truely represeting over 5000 serial killers documented that have not made the evening news. These folks are regular people who we dont think of?
wildnights69 1 year ago
premature ejacularion caused the death of 59 people ?
poyanator 1 year ago
lmao at Charles Manson at the end
brittaneyUSA 1 year ago
Chikatilo's father was taken prisoner by the German army, not "the Nazis."
bugisami 1 year ago
hey krissy, isn't florida state university where ted bundy last killed???
supergravity502 1 year ago
Alot of people grow up with messed up childhoods, but never end up serial killers. People have sick fantasies, myself included, but never end up acting them out. Alot of people who have actually killed another or been around dead bodies(Military, morgue, etc) don't end up serial killers(Plenty of PSTD though). Even most psychopaths don't end up serial killers. I don't think anyone will ever figure serial killers out.
JenniMystic 1 year ago
@JenniMystic i agree 100%
punked0ut 1 year ago
True abuse is always hidden well behind closed doors by sociopaths. Emotional / mental abuse is always more silent and more damaging than outright physical. What comes to mind...'he was quiet, never let on...'
mamasuntwinkle 1 year ago
This is exactly what cps and juvenile/'family' korts are doing to the youth of this nation and the world currently, hence the rise in violence, shootings amongst the young, etc. They know what they are doing; all the fed and state conferences and studies (a form of think tank) and mind control, manipulation of the masses. History repeats and lessons are relearned and exploited.
mamasuntwinkle 1 year ago
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day dreaming??? compulsive masturbation??? isolation???
o.o stop me from doing something sick!
neonimages 1 year ago
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day dreaming??? compulsive masturbation??? isolation???
o.o stop me from doing something sick!
neonimages 1 year ago
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neonimages 1 year ago
Did Hannibal Rising (right movie?) use Chikatilo's life for the movie? Because in the movie he was some wealthy Eastern European boy whose sister and parents were cannibalized by the Nazis. Sounds to me like a loose adaptation of Chikatilo.
TheTravelfool 1 year ago
@TheTravelfool Hannibal Lectre and the movies were all inspired by true cases. The Silence of the Lambs was inspired by the Green River(I think), Rimirez, and another killer I can't name at the moment(also inspired Texas Chainsaw Massacre). Clarice was based on a real female officer who dealt with serial killers.
JenniMystic 1 year ago
@JenniMystic
Agree with you in general
Thomas Harris who wrote 'Silence of the lambs' was inspired by Ed Gein (skinning etc) and Ted Bundy (cast lure) for the character of Jame Gumb...I think there must be one more, but cant remember now.
camelotnax 1 year ago
@TheTravelfool
yes, Chikatilo was an inspiration
Google this:
All about Hannibal Lecter - Facts and Fiction
camelotnax 1 year ago
sick fuckers all of them
TheChino341 1 year ago
your synopsis is somewhat flawed at the end
markstar777 1 year ago
7:50 Rader kind of looks like 'Al' from 'Toy story'...
rladldk91 1 year ago
@rladldk91 lol true
TheTravelfool 1 year ago
Great video and definitely an interesting topic, deff stimulates debate over the psychology of the deviant. P.s sorry abouyt spelling errors my keyboard is effed
sarahashira 1 year ago
Moreover, Scientists have studied Psychopaths brains and their seems to be an inherent inadequacy of certain regions of the brain related to fear, emotion and most of all empathy, being able to feel for another person. Psychopaths are born with these brain disabilities and so it seems to stem more from genetic influences. So aalthough the nature vs. nurture debate could go on forever I do believe Genetics plays a significant role in the behaviours of psychopaths and serial murderes. Good video!
sarahashira 1 year ago
Well your theories are good but under researched and a bit cliche. I agree that childhood traumas do influence how the person perceives things and affects their behaviour. However as Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer have stated that had relatively good childhoods I'd even go as far to say better than average. Also there are many individuals who go through horrific and traumatic events in their childhood who do not become murderers at all.
sarahashira 1 year ago 2
But Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer also glamorise their childhoods intensely and see their parents as perfect. The Christian upbringing Bundy experienced made him feel ashamed and guilty for many of his feelings so he retreated into a private world.
TheScriabin 7 months ago
@TheScriabin From the mouth of Bundy himself, though. The guy was a master of manipulation, so I don't believe a word of what he said in his interview. He may know how to emulate a thoughtful, remorseful person - but the monster that he was, there was no way that was the real him. Wasn't his two main ways of killing like strangulation and bludgeoning? Can you imagine bludgeoning a terrified woman to death?
hoagiesupreme 3 months ago
I think your born with it, just like being a faggot. You either are or you arn't. you can't teach it babi.
TwistedChimney 1 year ago
@TwistedChimney As much as youre being an idiot I actually tend to agree to a certain point.
manchesterblue 11 months ago
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"his sister was born in 1943" BULLSHIT
"and they had a 1 room home" hahahahaha fucking loosers
SuckMyAssAmerica 2 years ago
Your father is getting his shit pounded back up his ass by Sadam in hell.
TheZuikaku 2 years ago
FUCK YOU 4 EYES PIECE OF SHIT
SuckMyAssAmerica 2 years ago
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@SuckMyAssAmerica This coming from someone who can't even spell loser correctly.
Doyledeth 1 year ago
Andrei Chikatilo is the best RUSSIA FOREVER LOL
SuckMyAssAmerica 2 years ago
Alot of them have father issues , seen something wrong with the mother or been psychologically fcked with somehow, lied to or neglected maybe at some point. Ted bundy said he had a normal chilhood in the interview. Well for years he thought his mother was his sister and his grandparents were his parents. THATS NOT NORMAL. It would screw me up if i found out my sister was my mother. He knew something was wrong to, he laid out knives around her when she was asleep pointing towards her head.
nyran125 2 years ago 18
i have father issues too.
My dad was a drunk pig, he tried to kill my mom 2 times,he hanged himself when i was 12 yrs old IM GONNA KILL MY MOMMY MY DADDY WANTS ME TO DO IT HAIL JESUS MARY FOR SHIT
SuckMyAssAmerica 2 years ago
@SuckMyAssAmerica why are you having emotional problems?
ItalianWarrior777 1 year ago
@SuckMyAssAmerica nobody cares you faggot. Nobody cares about your drunk father.
Noideawhydude 1 year ago
@Noideawhydude i said suck my ass it smells
SuckMyAssAmerica 1 year ago
@nyran125 That's a really good point. I think they were trying to gloss over things. Dahmer actually felt really guilty I think and didn't want his parents to be blamed. There might have been things that happened that no one will talk about. I think Bundy was just trying to look good to the outside world and was mimicking what he thought seemed to be contrition.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
nice name bits
octaves4 2 years ago
this short documentary really helped me with my research essay on the makings of a serial killer. thank you :)
KillerQueen247 2 years ago 7
@KillerQueen247 For what course did u do the makings of a seral killer essay?
Acetopy2 1 year ago
@Acetopy2 it was a final assignment (high level english) that made up most of my final grade (12th grade).. i was told to do a research paper on any topic that interests me, and psychological analysis of the minds of serial killers actually really does for some reason haha. i got a pretty good grade too :D
KillerQueen247 1 year ago
@KillerQueen247 No doubt your good grade was because your "analysis" was the usual societal drivel about bullshit and rehashingof what whore psyche "professionals" have said. This just in!! Society says the sky is purple!!!! So,You better run along and stick it in your head that the sky is purple.
MrMansson10 11 months ago
@KillerQueen247 please god dont become a profiler on this evidence or we'll all still be chasing our tails searching for the next one
manchesterblue 11 months ago