Douglas Stanley & Nelson Eddy vocal technique demonstration

[jimh23]

Do you want to talk about, Vocal Technique? Don't start something you can't finish! I have forgotten more about, Vocal Technique than you have ever imagined! I studied for most of my career. I sang in opera houses in Germany, Austria and Italy. I am a member of Actors Equity, AGVA, AFTRA, AGMA. I was a theater director, I operated a theater, directed musicals,dramas and hired musicians and performers for all types of concerts! I learned how to sing from the best teacher!

[MrCafiero]

@jimh23 ROFLMAO! Don't flatter yourself. I can certainly finish it and easily. Just your ridiculous comments show your complete and utter lack of knowledge. Otherwise you would have known what LoMonaco was getting at which is the ideal functioning of the vocal apparatus. And if you are so great let us hear the recordings! You, your teacher, their students etc. Otherwise you are merely words on a page.

[jimh23]

What are you, 10 years old? I am not about to engage in an argument about something that's purely a matter of opinion, forget about it! Think what you like, I couldn't care less about your evaluation! Bugger Off!

[MrCafiero]

@jimh23 Actually, it is not a matter of opinion. Either you know your facts or you don't. And you clearly do not. So stop your commenting based on ignorance.

[jimh23]

I know Tommy Lo Monaco, personally. I had one lesson with him and that was one too many! Firstly, he didn't, "Demonstrate Any Vocal Principals," when I asked him to show me what he meant, he told me, "I Don't Do Demonstrations!" He had some sort of a, "Bent Spoon," that he used for, God knows what, he kept holding my Adam's Apple down with his fingers, to keep the Larynx down! I went through this for 45 Min. That was all I needed, I got the hell out of there, fast! No Thanks, I know him, well!

[MrCafiero]

@jimh23 Ah...well, there you go. One lesson hardly constitutes "knowing" someone personally. Secondly, I studied with him for a decade, two lessons a week, sat in on countless lessons, masterclasses. I have some masterclasses recorded. Tom 100% demonstrated all the time. And there is NO way in one lesson he would do any of those things. First lessons always consisted of him hearing you sing arias then trying to explain what he felt you needed work on etc. con'td.....

[MrCafiero]

@MrCafiero That tells me that you heard about the other things second hand and know are on here spreading lies. You have an agenda. Also, if you had a high larynx he was probably showing you it needed to be lower. You don't know him well at all. You are a fake. One of those charlatans who come out of the woodwork and spread lies. I teach the exact technique and know every detail of it and your descriptions are nonsense. My students are singing phenomenally as did his including Hadley.

[MrCafiero]

@jimh23 Also, please share YOUR own singing or your student's singing and let's compare to LoMonaco and his students. Put up or shut up.

[topmeat69]

@jimh23 one only has 1 of 2 choices, to understand  or misunderstand it. no other choice......

[topmeat69]

Are there any recording of Thomas LoMonaco ?

[MrCafiero]

@topmeat69 I am working on getting some up in the near future. He is very protective of his recordings because he had health problems that halted his career.

[jimh23]

@topmeat69 Go to: Historical Tenors. There you will find a recording of Tommy Lo Monaco. You will also find recordings of Herbert Doussant, he was also a Stanley pupil. I might add, they sang for about 8 to 10 years and couldn't sing after that. They all had trouble with their voices in time! I doubt Nelson Eddy used much of what D. Stanley taught him, he sang better than that!

[MrCafiero]

@jimh23 Actually, you are severely mistaken. I don't know what recordings are over at that site, but if there are recordings of Tom LoMonaco after he had health issues and had to stop singing then it is not an accurate example. I have many recordings of him in his prime. He did not teach what Stanley taught, but changed it and corrected what was wrong. Jerome, his brother, same for decades. Tom had Parksinson's which halted his career. You don't know what you are talking about.

[MrCafiero]

@topmeat69 Don't believe jimh23. He has an agenda and doesn't have his facts straight.

[MrCafiero]

@topmeat69 If you want his bio go to greattenors dot blogspot dot com and scroll down to him. There is an error in that he was born in 1922 not 1927.

[MrCafiero]

@topmeat69 I just uploaded some of Tom's recordings! Enjoy!

[omarihardy]

Eddy was quite good here...quite good!

[tonytodos]

oh...ok. do you teach voice?

[MrCafiero]

@tonytodos Yes. I teach exactly what my teacher taught.

[hobo1975]

@MrCafiero why dont you do demonstration videos on youtube? demonstrate and share some of the good things you know.this is the best way to confirm and secure this art form.

[MrCafiero]

@hobo1975 I have put up a few recent clips of students if you look at my channel. And there will be more to come. Mostly I don't put clips up, or have not in the past, because people are experts at misunderstanding an jumping to conclusions when they don't know what is going on.

[hobo1975]

@MrCafiero ty for the reply,ive listened to your clips and enjoyed them very much,your doing great work! why dont you set up a video and take us through with a willing student,so we could follow each lesson over a year.something no one has ever done i think.it could set a precedent for sharing knowledge and improving our level of poor voice cultivation,with real video and audio examples and not the vague written material left by our predecessors.just ignore the comments people make.

[MrCafiero]

@hobo1975 I have thought about putting up some before and after clips for a while. And also bits of lessons. It will all be coming soon.

[MrCafiero]

@tonytodos I don't think he was. I don't know Leonti.

[tonytodos]

@MrCafiero Well, at least that was what my teacher, Jerry Leonti told me. He was a student of Doctor Stanley (along with Thomas LoMonaco), and taught for many years at the Institute for Vocal Arts and Sciences.

[MrCafiero]

@tonytodos I will ask, but I don't think that is true. Stanley doesn't claim such a thing in his books either. Rather, he claims his voice was destroyed by bad teachers which is why he went into voice science. Garcia died in 1906 too. So Stanley would have been awfully young to study with Garcia. And when he was young he was in England and I don't believe Garcia was. But I will ask.

[wattever333]

the clip doesn't work.

[stevevandien]

Fascinating. I'd read about this recording (don't recall where or when, but it was supposed to have been made for a radio broadcast), but had no idea that it still existed. An important document from the history of voice training.

[lpvcrcd]

This is very interesting I have 2 books on the Science of Voice by Mr. Stanley. My father swore by his techniques and analysis of what constitutes a great voice etc I know Mr Stanley held the voice of Caruso with the highest regard and as Meltzerboy mentions I'm sure that of the great Gigli and Madame Galli- Curci .Most of this is in the book but is fascinating with audio demonstration. Mr Stanley had no use for the radio crooner and he typically used scoped graphs etc to prove a point ,

[MrCafiero]

His later book "Your Voice" is much better than "Science of Voice". He revised some mistakes that he had made earlier as more scientific information came out. One example is with the breathing. Also, a book can only say so much. You have to have hands on work to really know what someone means.

[lpvcrcd]

MrCafiero. I assume you refer to the blue cover book from 1933 " The Voice "- Its Production and Reproduction. Is this the one or was their another?..The Science of Voice" has 1929 as first year of publication. You are correct about being in the room with student/teacher.. By the way did Stanley's method have any similarity to Garcia or Lancow who came before? Didnt they lay the groundwork for proper vocal production.Or is that argument for the countless claiming only their method best

[MrCafiero]

I am talking about "Your Voice" which has its last copyright in 1957. The bel canto method was founded on developing and coordinating the registers. So with that Stanley really did hearken back to the old teaching methods, but he also backed them up with science. The trouble is that he was a madman and made a lot of enemies.

[brentanoleader]

Very interesting- Rudy 'Valet' -Was Mr. Stanley English-or was this this one of those cultivated accents?

[MrCafiero]

He was English. I think he had a degree from Oxford in fact.

[meltzerboy]

I recall hearing some of this before; perhaps it was once posted on YT. Anyway, the discussion on vibrato is fascinating and sounds quite reasonable, as does the section about falsetto. But perhaps Stanley is holding a gun to Eddy's head! I think listeners react first to a singer's vibrato, either favorably or unfavorably. There was a study measuring famous singers' vibratos, and it was concluded that singers judged to have tonal beauty had similar vibratos; Gigli and Galli-Curci, for instance.

[MrCafiero]

Well, Eddy studied with Stanley for quite a while so I don't think he was holding a "gun to his head". LOL!! The vibrato and falsetto explanations are right on. There is much more to each particular action than what is said though. The vibrato has a certain accent to it as well and if that is wrong it can cause problems. Many sopranos today sing with an inverted vibrato where the 'peak' is too big, making them sound driven and/or sharp.

[tonytodos]

@MrCafiero Douglas Stanley was a student of the voice teacher Manuel Garcia.

Just curious, was your voice teacher Jerry Leonti?