Look capitalism is a failed system. What we need to to take the next step, see, capitalism is pretty awesome, but easily susceptible to the corruption. We need a system that works as well but ain't as corrupt.
It's ironic that Bill Gates, a very successful capitalist, had to donate money to try and help people. If raw capitalism is such a great way to help people and achieve equality then why didn't Bill use the method he knows best?
This is a hasty generalization (AKA a logical fallicey). The maker of this flash video is assuming all billionaires/millionaires are like Bill gates. However, obviously most rich people are not like Bill gates. They instead use the money they have to make MORE money. This is why the gap between rich and poor keeps widening. If money really trickled down the gap would close.
@danestephenson76 I'm just saying.... if they used their money to make a significant amount of jobs then I would think that the gap between rich and poor would at least stay constant, not grow wider.
Q&A's 1: Are you religious? 2: Do you really think Capitalism is the right way to run a world? 3: Dont you want to live in a world where everything could be free?Medicine/Housing/Clothing/Technology/Transportation? It could easy happen
@RedwoodTheElf Haha do you own a Corporation? And capitalism sucks. its a rigged game, the table is turned. The chance that you're rich is very slim, I believe in a world that everyone is even. The idea of legal tender is retarded. Were all in a rat race while the people who own this country own all the land, majority of the businesses. They have judges in their back pocket, and they fund their criminal friends on wall street and they want more for themselves and less for the people.
Name one system of dividing labor and resources that works better than Capitalism. Communism has been proved a colossal failure.
In a capitalist system, there is what is known as "incentive" - in Communist/socialist systems there is no incentive, and no reward for working harder than anyone else. In fact it ENCOURAGES slothful behavior. Why work hard, when you get the same rewards as the lazy guy next to you?
@RedwoodTheElf I wouldn't say communism was a colossal failure when america owes 1.164 trillion dollars to china.. Seriously George Carlin explains it perfectly " George Carlin - American Dream " I believe in the zeitgeist movement, Dont get me wrong i dont think it's perfect but in this day and age everyone in the world could easily be provided shelter/education/food/medicine/technology. Yet we waste our preaching religion/money/ideals. When everyone in the world could be happy. Fuck Capitalism
Love how it takes you days to come up with some Hippie argument. Sorry, but that's not a system of dividing labor and resources, that's a hippie pipe dream.
And communism IS a colossal failure. The USSR collapsed because communism doesn't work, and China is "going capitalist" because, again, Communism doesn't work.
@RedwoodTheElf LoL I'm not on you-tube 24/7. Pipe dream! The economy is supposed to work for the people. When 1% owns 40% of the worlds money. The 99% has to divide 60%of the worlds money and you're okay with that. Man I don't blame you for who you are. Being brought up in an environment that doesn't give a shit isn't something new. Americans will willingly remain ignorant and will continue to waste fossil fuels instead of using Biodiesel or Electricity when both are better for our economy.
@RedwoodTheElf We cut down thousands of tree's every year when we could easily have the best paper ever with hemp. The government making hemp illegal is the biggest "FUCK YOU" to american society and shows why America isn't free its a illusion. The only reason hemp is illegal is because major pharmaceutical companies would loose billions of dollars every year from the benefits marijuana/hemp could produce. Marijuana use has never killed anyone every in mankind history yet tobacco kills millions
Look into the CAUSE of that debt...It's socialist welfare programs, you imbecille. You know...Socialism, communism...the REASON we're in debt is that our politicians are trying to turn the USA into the USSA.
@RedwoodTheElf Wow, You're seriously brain washed. Do you know how much the military spends a day? 225 million a day, 1.8 billion a week. Seriously fuck capitalism/communism/socialism. They're all failure's in every way. Watch zeitgeist moving foward and learn about how our government is fucking us over. America is falling because of Capitalism and Monetary Mechanism. Machines could take 80% of the work force today, Easily. Get over you're fear of Communism, there all shitty.(PERIOD)
YOU are the brainwashed one. Socialist government programs outspend the military by a thousand times over. Go learn some actual facts instead of parroting commiecrat talking points.
@RandyWRodrifuez Zeigeist is utopian socialism for the 21st century. It ignores the process and jumps straight to Utopia. I agree it is a beautiful fictional world, but absolutely unattainable today.
The shortcoming of Zeigeist Movement are scalability, human fallibility, and time. If you want me to explain send me a private message. =)
God founded this country with capitalism. if your against capitalism which is what God wants. Your with the other guy... 90% of preachers, evangelist, and missionaries come from America. Lets see... why would the devil want to destroy the system in America? Oh that's right to stop the spread of the Gospel.
If you like socialism, please leave this country and go to a socialistic one. And then when you realize how ignorant you were. You will want to come back but then won't be able to because of how poor you would have become... or better yet the government won't let you leave.
Oh and by the way, this is the kind of generic propaganda they have been feeding you since the conception of Capitalism, and if you believe it your pretty gullible. Also this vid was created to counter "the story of stuff", which actually tells us the whole story of our economy, rather than the selective, distorted "Disney" version you've been feed as a child. Wake up and see the whole picture, watch "the story of stuff", "the corporation", "capitalism hits the fan", "manufacturing consent" etc
Begone, foul spirit of Communism! If you want Socialism, move to China - Oh, wait, China has decided to start going Capitalist...gee, I guess there ARE no major socialist/Communist states left for you to flee capitalism to, except Cuba.
Look at the "the spirit level" study, if you want something more grounded in reality and backed up with evidence. It has be proven unequivocally that unequal development (where some become super rich while most people remain "poor" in comparison) is detrimental to a society's health by almost every measurement and that the more equal a society is the more content, satisfied and peaceful a society is. Is it surprising that America came out worst by every measurement of health and well being?
Essence of capitalism is aiding and abetting the wealthy to accumulate more & more capital (wealth). This is justified by the rationalization that living in a free society we all have the opportunity to amass our own fortunes. The reality is that as the wealthy become progressively more wealthier (the very nature of capitalism), they use their wealth to squeeze the working class that provides their labor, so insuring their own dominance at the top.
Don't tie capitalism with trickle down theory. Capitalism works only when there is demand. Demand can only work if people are paid a decent wage which can include benefits. Also, taxing smaller wage earners less allows demand to increase than taxing them more. All trickle up theory differs from trickle down: ensuring higher wages benefits and gradual tax brackets based on income. Ensure competition between businesses. Otherwise you get an oligarchy and soon after deflation of production.
Bill gates bought DOS from Seattle Computer Products for $50k and turne around and SOLD it to IBM for a huge profit. Also, they forget to mention that Gate's family was ALREADY RICH.
He also became so wealthy by stifling innovation and competition for decades.
Saying that Microsoft was such a great thing when they held back computer development for decades by using monopoly power to shut down better competing products is insane.
@sc0pl355 Look. I'm an old Apple fan from way back so I have no love for MS, but even I have to admit that MS proved that marketing is just as important as tech when success is measured. Apple may have had a better product, but I contest the Amiga was better still. In the long run, MS outpaced them all. They had the right combo to outlast and eventually patch up the bad software. Apple learned and improved as well. MS bought up all the best ideas, so they got paid.
@Goohuman Microsoft didn't market Windows or DOS to the consumer, they made deals with the hardware manufacturers so that their software would be included by default. Seriously, go back and look at the old commercials from any PC company in the 80's and 90's. None of them were about DOS or Windows.
MS has gained momentum from a lack of competent competition, not by having a good product or ideas. Neither Apple or Commodore had competent leadership in the 80's and 90's.
@sc0pl355 I beg to differ. I recall TV commercials for Windows. I remember seeing it for sale in various stores. I suspect that Windows 7 can be found for sale in a store near you right now. Does Apple market themselves better now? MS is an excellent example of the power of marketing in spite of the product.
All that aside, IT was pretty geeky. Still is. Whoever comes up with a safe, voice controlled, "human" interface will be the next big winner IMO.
@Goohuman I don't recall any windows commercials. I remember IBM commercials and Dell commercials and Gateway commercials.
What Microsoft advertises right now is not relevant to what you said.
Apple is under better leadership right now than they were in the 80's and 90's so of course they market better right now.
Voice controls are not a good idea. Mental controls, maybe, touch controls definitely. Voice controls never took off despite being around for over 20 years.
@sc0pl355 Listen to yourself. You said MS didn't market Windows or DOS and your defense is that you don't recall any commercials on TV, like that means anything at all.
Look. I don't care how careless your logic is or how clueless you are about marketing, I'm just making the point that, in spite of itself, MS drove the IT industry for a while there. IBM did, then Apple, then MS, and so on. Now its Facebook and Google. Who knows who is next. Maybe NeXT.
@Goohuman I said they did not market Windows or DOS to the CONSUMERS. Not only don't I not recall any windows or DOS adverts from the 80's or 90's, but I don't see any here on youtube or anywhere else TODAY.
Microsoft has proven themselves to be pretty bad at marketing their products. If you look at their ads, even today, they piggyback on other people's products and hardly ever mention their own. Laptop Hunters, for instance. And when they mention their own products, the audience yawns.
Let me back up a few steps. There are other ways of advertising. MS's ad dept is and was the tops in their market for ages. They sold (very) inferior software at such a rate that Apple lost 40% of a massively growing market in 6 yrs(estimate). They did sell it to consumers as well as bundling it with hardware. You don't have to believe me. I was there. You were a kid. I was a programmer.
@Goohuman "MS's ad dept is and was the tops in their market for ages."
Microsoft's marketing has always been bad.
"They sold (very) inferior software at such a rate that Apple lost 40% of a massively growing market in 6 yrs(estimate). "
That was due to Apple incompetent leadership in the late 80's to mid 90's, not due to any brilliance on the part of Microsofts marketing department. Also, you can save your smug attitude. I'll address that in my next response.
@Goohuman "You don't have to believe me. I was there."
Pardon moi? I remember the 80's and 90's very well there, dude. While you're bragging about where you've been, I was there too.
I never said that microsoft didn't sell shelf copies of their software. My issue is that you want to attribute the expansion of window's popularity to being the result of some kind of marketing genius when the fact is that the COMPETITION'S leadership was incredibly poor and didn't understand the market.
@sc0pl355 Pardon the attitude, but what I am reading from you is unbelievably naive. You say you were there? Do you recall the market planning meetings at Apple, how they decided to break down the market? I may agree in retrospect that Apple could have moved their focus to software more quickly, but they had a lock on the hardware. IBM was open architecture. They were doomed if anyone reverse engineered the BIOS.
MS, however, was positioned to rule many platforms. Apple was not.
@Goohuman "Do you recall the market planning meetings at Apple, how they decided to break down the market?"
I recall that Apple booted Steve Jobs out of the company and then, when he formed NeXT, they sued him for good measure. I recall Apple's failed attempts to compete by trying to mimic IBM PC's in numerous different ways.
"IBM was open architecture. "
God no. IBM sued anyone that tried to reverse engineer their BIOS until they started losing cases. By that metric, the iPhone is open.
@Goohuman "MS, however, was positioned to rule many platforms. Apple was not."
That's not what is important. Profitability is. Hardware has a very short shelf life and must be manufactured at a great cost, while software has a long shelf life and can be duplicated in perpetuity for a very small cost. Today, Apple OWNS the premium computer market. They have a very efficient model right now. If they were fighting like this in the 80's and 90's, they would be unstoppable today.
I hope you haven't invested much of your ego into your knowledge of early IT markets.
You know how easy it was to make a profit back then? For jiminy sakes, even the OpenSource guys made money! When the bubble burst in 2000-2001, the one's left standing were there because they fought for position.
I leave you with that. It pains me to imagine how quickly those early battles were forgotten.
Profitability is the only viable metric when you're talking about businesses. Ever heard of the profit motive? It's the sole reason for a company to exist.
"You know how easy it was to make a profit back then?"
Apparently not very easy when you're apple in the 90's. They had so much competition in their OWN product lineup and ended up eating a lot of plastic over lost unit sales.
@Goohuman "the one's left standing were there because they fought for position."
First off, Microsoft didn't have to fight with anyone. They got other companies to fight for them while competing platforms had no clue as to what they were doing. In the 80's, it was still anyone's game but Apple's leadership in the 80's and 90's was incompetent until Steve Jobs returned to revive the company. The other companies were not nearly as fortunate.
@Goohuman "For jiminy sakes, even the OpenSource guys made money!"
What does that have to do with anything that I wrote?
The point is that apple in the 80's and 90's was NOT profitable while Microsoft WAS. It wasn't a result of any specific genius or innovation on the part of Microsoft, but of the incompetence of Apple's leadership among many other failed companies of the time. Money is a company's lifeblood. If you don't have any then you can't conduct business well or compete.
@DeepSpace8andahalf i disagree, especially since the Japanese would rather starve then surrender, but the recent UN actions in Libya certainly says something bout the UN, the No fly zone should have been put up weeks ago, the civil war would be over by next week, the only reason to do this is to keep oil prices from going up, which in my opinion should be a wake up call to our retard president to start home drilling, but he's an idiot so, were never going to do that, so your theory is possible
@DeepSpace8andahalf more people would have died then needed if we cut their supply line off, Plus the Japanese are big on "dieing with honor". They wouldn't have givin up, the Japanese strapped mines to poles to take out tanks, crashed there planes into battle ships, they would have charged in into battle with there granddads sword if they had to.
@DeepSpace8andahalf But your missing the point, the civilian deaths were to break there will to continue the war, besides that's not what made the Japanese quit the war, we bombed Tokyo with incendiary bombs, the Japanese were not ready to give up until we dropped the bombs on Tokyo, then they gave up, you really don't know anything about history, your probably to paranoid to know what really happened. If the US invaded Japan, they would have fought to the last man, women and child
@DeepSpace8andahalf THATS NOT THE REASON FOR THE THE NUKES IN WORLD WAR 2. i hate it when people say that, no it was to break the enemy's will to fight. This is part of Sherman's Theory, that you win a war by breaking your enemies will to fight. The Japanese were stubborn SOB's and would have dragged the war out as long as they could. The bombings were succeed were the allies in ww1 failed, to break the Germans will to start a war.
@DeepSpace8andahalf tell me were are you getting your facts? and how are they getting away with murder? its not like we are killing civilians, that's against US military protocol and you can be court marshaled for that. My friends older brother who served in Iraq accidentally shot s civilian, he didn't die, but my friends older brother was given a dishonorable discharge and about 3 years in prison, but got off a year early for good behavior.
@DeepSpace8andahalf Truth? not really, industries try to provide the services we need during a time of war, plus the private sector was in charge of rebuilding damaged buildings after 9/11, they got it done, the ones run by the public center like the 2 towers are no were near finished. True, corporations can contribute to politicians, but so do Unions, do you think they are bad? the Iraq war was not a war for profit, Afghanistan until recently had no economic value, your just a nut
@DeepSpace8andahalf Lyndon Johnson was a socialist, you probably think a government needs to provide for people. Well in the Constitution, written by We The People in order to form a more perfect Union, the Government, is to only up hold the constitution, and make sure every one has Life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness, the government can pursue it for you. Its up to you to go and get it and private business to fill in the blanks.
@DeepSpace8andahalf oh shut up about Haliburton, you really really thing the war was so they could profit off it? Your dumber then i thought, Clinton contracted Haliburton all throughout his term, they are a quality company who makes a quality product. true the united states borrowed more then they can afford, but the USSR borrowed from China much more then we did, and they went to war a couple times and tried to hide it. Hear read the book Saddam's secrets, written by Georges Sada
@DeepSpace8andahalf no one has made a dime of war in decades, the US spent over a Trillion dollars on the Iraq war alone, who profits hear, no one but the Iraqis, because we have set up a Republic, were everyone gets a chance for a freedom. War no longer creates jobs becasue all the factory jobs that it once created, are being replaced by robots, who can make tanks, vehicles, and ammunition much quicker, what makes you think war is profitable any more?
Yeah this doesn't happen anymore. Company Executives are so greedy they lay off people just to benefit themselves. Causing more and more poverty. God damn Capitalist propaganda. The system which is about to fall.
Would have been nice if the makers did their homework
Bill gates did BASIC for the ALTAIR from a HOTEL room... Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak did the world first PERSONAL computer from their GARAGE and made MILLIONS while Bill Gates was still in his HOTEL.... Oh, and Microsoft then BOUGHT, not made, DOS from another guy and sold it for little in LARGE numbers to IBM and IBM compatible computers.
ANYONE, who knows how to use the internet, wikipedia, can read etc could have found the FACTS.
Good way of explaining it, but you missed the part where the workers in some third world country get paid in beans, and rice. Wars for control of natural resources, just so u can sit on your couch eating a bag of chips a day watching cable.
The Story of Stuff is a great video.. it is truth, and common sense. This video is nothing more then a pathetic attempt to keep a system going that is obviously not working anymore.
@thepeacemaker91 If it fails, it will be because the progressives have sabotaged the system through overwhelming the system. Capitalism and the Free Market system are intrinsically good. "Crony Capitalism," or Big Government in bed with Big Business is a perversion of Capitalism.
@fab4bear your thinking is wrong. Capitalism and the monetary system in general USED to be good. It USED to work but it is no longer relevant. The system is collapsing and it is time for a new social system.
@thepeacemaker91 Capitalism doesn't exist. The US form of economics is corporatism. Don't be naive. Capitalism hasn't existed for almost 100 years now. Why blame a system of economics which doesn't exist, for current problems. If the US was capitalistic, we wouldn't have the IRS, The Federal reserve, DoD, DoE, the Pentagon, the industrial military complex, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, Unemployment INS, EPA, ECT. All lobbied for by CORPORATIONS, or Small group interests.
@thepeacemaker91 The corporations, unions, and their backers rule this world. They are international, and untouchable to government, because they control government, here and elsewhere.
Don't blame capitalism, a system where none of that could possibly exist, never the less gain so much power. It's the backers to the corps and unions you really need to worry about.
@fab4bear competition,private interest,business,freedom(not liberty).very very very limited gov(even with the whole military issue which actually a lot are in payroll).btw its not one its more than ten and its not just them its also gangs,mafias,and corporations.its pretty much capitalist.minus the whole voluntary thing.not like usa or western world where capitalism has been mixed with socialism for quite a while.even though people were told it was capitalist which it kind of wasnt.
@fab4bear As opposed to Cuba, whose socialist economic policies, according to capitalists like Rand and Friedman, shouldn't work.
Ironically, the literacy rate, life expectancy, and overall quality of life is higher in Cuba, than in any other nation in Latin America with the exception of Chile.
@CapitalistOverlord OH Yeah? Is that why there have been and continue to be so many people willing to risk their lives to flee the country? My High School Spanish teacher was a refugee, and she told us how terrible life was in Cuba after Castro took over. He confiscated wealth, and murdered people at will. Sounds wonderful to me! Dictatorships NEVER work out well for anyone, except the elite rulers. Fuck off!
Bill Gates NEVER invented anything. He bought DOS from IBM for $50,000. and had his engineers improve it. "Windows" was a direct take from their competitor Apple who had been using it for years. Bill Gates was also found guilty of requiring computer manufacturers to put DOS on all their computers or none. So much for free market competition.
Bill Gates real genius was marketing and successfully cowing regulators to prevent them breaking up what was/is clearly a monopoly. Still I have a lot of respect for him because of his generosity in fighting diseases and poverty (OMG, socialist stuff)
The result of trickle down (or being peed on as I like to call it) is visible in every retail store in America. Pick up any item and look where it's made.Trickle down, trickled down for sure, in China, India, Mexico etc. but not here in America.
@halcyon0830 His philanthropy is volunteered. He can do what he wants with his money. If he chooses to give it away to Charity, that's an honorable decision. It is NOT socialism to choose to give your money away to anyone or any organization. It is socialism when the Government takes your money away and redistributes it to others. If you think there's a better Country than the U.S.A., save up your money and MOVE!
@halcyon0830 It was his idea. It was his enterprise. He built a very successful company and created thousands of jobs. And then a whole bunch of companies sprung up to create software to run on his invention, creating thousands more, and you want to try to tear his accomplishments down? What have you contributed to society?
@fab4bear And what exactly would stop Gates from doing the same thing in a socialist setting?
Its really rich to use MS as an example by the way. Classic example of capitalism gone wrong. Fun fact: Bill didnt invent anything. He just took existing software, put his name on it, and used capitalism to his advantage. Didnt take long before the government had to stop being capitalist for a second and step in to pry him away from his monopoly position because it was ruining the market.
@halcyon0830 You have no clue what you are talking about.
Bill wrote an OS before writing all that software. He bought DOS for 50k FOR the IBM deal and improved it. The guy is a genius. MS went to trial for charging too much in California. The OpenSource people were upset that they had to buy Windows with the computer, but they got their money back eventually.
@Goohuman "Bill wrote an OS before writing all that software. He bought DOS for 50k FOR the IBM deal and improved it"
1) He didn't write another OS. Microsoft got a license from AT&T for their 7th version of UNIX, made a couple modifications and rebranded it as Xenix.
2) Microsoft literally just changed the name of of 86-DOS to DOS after they bought it from SCP. That's the entirety of their improvements to what they bought from SCP. They did the exact same thing with IE and many other products.
1) For your info, that is how nearly all software is written (except the very small programs). SDKs come with blocks pre-written for you to use. It still takes serious smarts to make it work.
2)So what were all those versions of DOS? Just renaming and reselling?
You must have lots of confidence and absolutely no fear of ridicule to post the things you say. You really should read and think before you post again. This took all of 1 minute to respond to.
1) Um, that was the 80's. There was lots of software made from scratch back then.
2) Those were incremental updates, but it is REALLY incorrect to say that Microsoft made any changes to it when they launched it. They bought it, changed the name and sold someone else's work to IBM for a huge profit. If anything, that's an example of Microsoft's overwhelming propensity for buying low and selling high.
Actually, you're the one that's the laughing stock here.
@halcyon0830 You mean he hired people to make it better, that sounds exactly what this video is about. He hired an engineer paid him lots of cash sounds like trickle down to me. Gates testified before congress in 2007 that America needs to be more competitive. Get your facts straight it wasn't DOS it was internet explorer. Which was ridiculous. It would be like buying a car but congress won't let u put a radio in it because the consumer doesn't get a choice of what brand of radio.
Hmmm... Have to wonder how all those mixed socialist-capitalist nations like Sweden, Norway, etc are outscoring the USA in terms of health care, longevity, education, happiness, and other measures of "success." So let's have more taxes, narrow the rich-poor gap,and get with the program, people.
If you want American jobs to stay you need to get the Govt the hell out of regulating business, beat unions back into submission (they should be banned in all public positions) and get taxes dropped down to as low as possible. Lower taxes ='s more tax revenue, no unions mean lower taxes and the private sector able to compete w/ competing countries and Govt. no longer regulating means certain companies will not have an advantage over other companies because they donated money to a politician.
Cute video. Unfortunately it's wrong. A tax cut doesn't spur innovation. Innovation spurs itself. Who are the modern day wall street darlings? Google? Possibly Facebook? All these companies grew and succeeded because they conceived a product which was in high demand and widely utilized.....not because they got a government tax break of a few percentage points. They were the Alexander Graham Bells and Henry Fords of their day.
@wabio You need to go back to school. Giving small business people a tax break gives them more money for Research & Development, New Hires, Expansion of all kinds, which in the end generates more income for the Government. Reagan did it, and it worked marvelously.
@fab4bear Exactly. It worked marvelously. Pre-NAFTA! Doesn't work like that anymore. Companies are much more like to hire and invest overseas than domestically in this new found global marketplace. Who do you think fueled the explosive growth in China and India? Very little investment is being done here in the United States, so giving them additional tax cuts just allows them to continue adding to the trade deficit.
A more accurate way of analyzing “trickle down economics”, would be to ask….. Would giving present day Microsoft (already a huge company) a tax cut, generate additional American jobs? Would giving their wealthy upper management employees tax cuts result in them hiring two clowns for their kids birthday party instead of one?
The current tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years, yet there were less non-farm private industry jobs in 2008 than in 2001 (when the tax cut was passed). Do you really think companies are going to spend this money on hiring Americans? I doubt it. Why hire fat, lazy Americans for $15,080 annually (minimum wage) when you can hire somebody in China or India for less than $2,000? You get 7 workers for the price of 1.
@wabio MOST jobs in America are created by small businesses. The tax cuts are aimed at them. They can't afford to move their business to China where labor is cheap. Nice try.
Exactly! So issuing a Capital Gains tax cuts and giving Big Oil a tax cut were the best way to help most small businesses then? Where were the supposed jobs these tax cuts were supposed to create? Please do tell!
<---------This so-called "lazy, uneducated, socially dependent liberal" is listening!!!!
@wabio So you want to punish small businesses by letting the tax cuts expire. That will certainly create a lot of jobs. Especially with the increase of penalties kicking in with the implementation of the Healthcare Bill.
@wabio If you're lumping all big American Corp into the same boat, I don't agree. NAFTA opened doors I didn't agree with. We need to make it attractive for companies to bring jobs back home. The more jobs, the bigger the tax revenue. They are going away in droves now . . . fewer people to pay more tax. It's not good policy.
It doesn't help that, for whatever reason.....just about every Republican just voted against the anti-outsourcing legislation on Wednesday aimed at encouraging companies to hire more Americans.
I’m all for giving “small” businesses incentives. It’s ironic that ALL Senate Republicans except two (Voinovich R-Ohio, and Lemieux R-Florida) voted against the recent Small Business Stimulus that just passed. I just don’t see the point of giving huge multi-national corporations tax cuts when they’ve shown very little interest in investing capital here within the U.S.
@wabio And why was that? Can you say unions? Where where the jobs in the stimulus? Union. You're not paying attention to the details.It's kind of like legislation with hidden agendas embedded in them. That needs to stop, along with special interest lobbyists. Either a bill passes on it's own merit or it doesn't. The reason most bills get shot down is because there are special interest agendas embedded in them. You can't alocate funds that direct the outcome to a select segment of the population
I’m all for giving “small” businesses incentives. It’s ironic that ALL Senate Republicans except two (Voinovich R-Ohio, and Lemieux R-Florida) voted against the recent Small Business Stimulus that just passed. I just don’t see the point of giving huge multi-national corporations tax cuts when they’ve shown very little interest in investing capital here within the U.S.
@fab4bear Source: Publication: Indiana Business Magazine Using a sophisticated dynamic categorization scheme, and filtering out job changes that are purely seasonal, BLS researchers says it's an almost even split. About 53 percent of net job growth in the last decade has come from businesses with more than 100 employees. Businesses with fewer than five workers accounted for 10 percent of overall growth.
@wabio And just why did many of the manufacturing corporations leave in the first place? The steel industry, the oil industry, and much of the textile industry left because? Yes cheap labor was part of it, but what was the tipping point? Investors have a stake in the corporations through stocks.The employee is invested how? What do they risk? Just because you think it's unfair that a CEO makes too much, he was voted into that position by the board for a reason.
I've never felt more uncomfortable with the "free market" than seeing "capitalism" represented as lazy stick figures getting money tossed at them poolside for being stock holders so they can pay clowns to entertain thier children. Thankyou Glenn Beck.
@fab4bear I believe as part of a functioning market economy obviously "trickle down" is an integrated piece of that. My comment was more or less a snarky remark at the simplicity of the video's explanation.To describe my politics would be 'libertarian socialism" but any type of statist control i am not "confortable" with. I don't necissarilly feel comfortable with the amount of economic and political influence individuals or groups of people exert either, even if they are not gov't figures.
Remember the term "libertarian" has been around since the 1890s. Only since the 1970s in the United States has it been used as a synonym for the pro-capitalist side of libertarian thought. Socialism does not necessitate state control of business or industry but can refer to more democratic forms of economic organization.
@chosenmachine You can try to dress up socialism all you want, and it's still a bad system. The bottom line is that Capitalism, the Free Market, and socialism cannot co-exist. PERIOD. Don't bother trying to convince me of your nonsense. I want to return to a smaller government, get rid of as much regulations as possible, and let the Market decide who succeeds and who fails. NO MORE bailouts. REDUCE GOVERNMENT! TERM LIMITS! No more career politicians. Repeal the 17th Amendment & Healthcare.
@fab4bear haha well state controlled socialism already exists within our current political economic system but I'm sure you already know that. I'm sure even in your ideal or near ideal "libertarian" United States the state might still pave the roads, puts out fires, keeps criminals in jail, patrol our borders, respond to national disasters and keep a standing armed force. That said I in no way support state interference in the economy...
and think the state acts in a parasidic manor to most economic function. My ideal United States would have very limited powers if any and businesses and industry would be organiclly organized co-operatives of different forms. And if you didn't want to have a friendly conversation about our opinions you could have said so instead of saying my opinions are "nonsense", stating your opinion, then repeating in capslock your political slogans. NO MORE CAPSLOCK! REDUCE SLOGANEERING!
Actually, I just watched the thing that this is supposed to be countering.
How the fuck does it counter anything? The "Story of Stuff" doesn't advocate socialism, it advocates controlled capitalism- or rather, a reduce in consumption, exploitation, abusive labor practices and anti-environmental production.
They're completely different things. Jesus. How does trickle-down economics save the environment?
@amitabho123 1) Controlled capitalism is not capitalism. Controlled capitalism is "Fascist corporatism" (a form of socialism that is not often talked about). 2) What you assume is that the average worker is a moron. You assume that they will be exploited, because somehow they are forced to work for someone. I am free to choose my employer. Unions can also argue for better wages and working conditions. Why? because they are a producer in the labor market. You understand little.
The thing is, trickle-down economics work because of the fact that employers can't charge too low a wage, there can't be monopolies and trusts, among other things. Do you think those people paid by Microsoft would be so very happy if Microsoft bought all the other companies hiring software programmers and then paid their employees a pittance?
To make a cartoon like this and try to hide the facts that while capitalism isn't evil, unregulated capitalism is, is ridiculous.
Your logic doesn't work because the bigger the monopoly gets, the higher its costs and the less agile it is. A smaller, more efficient company will always pop-up and start to siphen clients away. The Free Market system works, so long as those who abuse it are properly punished!
35% of the wealth of this nation is held by 1% of its population. That is the highest level ever recorded.
90,000 (supposed beneficiaries of MS stock dividends) of 307,006,550 is 0.000293153354546% of the population of America.
That isn't many people at all. But then that supports my first statement above which is easily verifiable.
My point is not that Capitalism is bad but that an oversimplification of it is. Just like any other aspect of government, the economy needs third party oversight.
@speedy4060 - Your argument is extremely flawed. You're missing too many variables. You must add all the wealth created by the 1% and their beneficiaries including the income distributed to their full time employees. You must also include all the jobs created by the money spent by their employees. And the domino effect thereafter. It's called economics in which the whole world benefits when wealth is created.
The market has the opportunity to boycott and the Internet and press will expose.
Help me with the math then. I would like to understand. And my point again was that this video over simplifies things. Again, I have no issue with Capitalism, I just don't believe that totally free markets are a good thing. With freedom comes choice and many people don't care if their choices are immoral or unethical.
@speedy4060 -I agree we must have laws. And some regulations protect consumers and help businesses compete with fairness. But there comes a point when over regulation hinders business growth. Hands become tied and they are taxed to oblivion.
Many people wish they had more money. If companies were taxed less they could afford to offer larger salaries to their employees.
When companies are taxed less they create more long term good paying jobs. This helps people put their kids through college.
@speedy4060 -The point of the video was to show capitalism in it's simplest and purest form. There are many complex puzzle pieces in the free market which has some diverse effects. For example, we see most corruption comes from the financial industry. The market place is considered good but gambling with other peoples money can get us into trouble, especially borrowed money.
Its quite possible that borrowing money is the most evil practice in society. I suggest that everyone become debt free.
@speedy4060- Taking capital from businesses to create a third party government, who tells me how I should invest, takes away my freedom to pursue new ideas, decreases wealth & investment capital.
Business investments are risky in which we have the right to fail. Businesses fail forward continually. When people fail it often creates character which allows us to grow. One day, for those who push forward, will eventually succeed. Those who steal and violate human rights should be punished.
I was used to work in an automotive plant, located on a campus, with several other plants were we assembled SUV parts. My plant employed close to thousand people, during lunch most of us ordered out, contributing millions of dollars to restaurants around us. When the economy tanked, and the upper middle class and the rich were no longer buying cars, we lost our jobs; the campus was shut down, and the restaurants had to reduce their work force. So, from experience, I know trickle down works.
@jnaujok It was a traffic violation. Your allusions and statements were designed to make it sound like he was a serious criminal. That is deceitful, and being intellectually dishonest. Bye Bye.
@dandylionsden You're so afraid to open your eyes . . . it might dispel some of the garbage the progressive socialist/communist democrats have been feeding you for so long.
Democrats are welfare statist mixed-economy supporters, not socialists. Socialism is where workers control the means of production. Communism is where the community owns all property-note I said COMMUNITY, not State.
Look capitalism is a failed system. What we need to to take the next step, see, capitalism is pretty awesome, but easily susceptible to the corruption. We need a system that works as well but ain't as corrupt.
TheUltimateReaper3 4 days ago
It's ironic that Bill Gates, a very successful capitalist, had to donate money to try and help people. If raw capitalism is such a great way to help people and achieve equality then why didn't Bill use the method he knows best?
a10willy 1 week ago
This is a hasty generalization (AKA a logical fallicey). The maker of this flash video is assuming all billionaires/millionaires are like Bill gates. However, obviously most rich people are not like Bill gates. They instead use the money they have to make MORE money. This is why the gap between rich and poor keeps widening. If money really trickled down the gap would close.
thehoundchannel 1 month ago
@thehoundchannel Use their money to make more money and create more jobs. What have you done lately sir?
danestephenson76 5 days ago
@danestephenson76 I'm just saying.... if they used their money to make a significant amount of jobs then I would think that the gap between rich and poor would at least stay constant, not grow wider.
thehoundchannel 5 days ago
Q&A's 1: Are you religious? 2: Do you really think Capitalism is the right way to run a world? 3: Dont you want to live in a world where everything could be free?Medicine/Housing/Clothing/Technology/Transportation? It could easy happen
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
28 billion dollars to charity.. how are people still starving in the world...
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
This is bullshit. Watch the Corporation and see how many people suffer from Capitalism.
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez
Because a fictionalized anti-Capitalism propoganda film trumps the truth, right?
RedwoodTheElf 4 months ago
@RedwoodTheElf Haha do you own a Corporation? And capitalism sucks. its a rigged game, the table is turned. The chance that you're rich is very slim, I believe in a world that everyone is even. The idea of legal tender is retarded. Were all in a rat race while the people who own this country own all the land, majority of the businesses. They have judges in their back pocket, and they fund their criminal friends on wall street and they want more for themselves and less for the people.
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez
Name one system of dividing labor and resources that works better than Capitalism. Communism has been proved a colossal failure.
In a capitalist system, there is what is known as "incentive" - in Communist/socialist systems there is no incentive, and no reward for working harder than anyone else. In fact it ENCOURAGES slothful behavior. Why work hard, when you get the same rewards as the lazy guy next to you?
RedwoodTheElf 4 months ago
@RedwoodTheElf I wouldn't say communism was a colossal failure when america owes 1.164 trillion dollars to china.. Seriously George Carlin explains it perfectly " George Carlin - American Dream " I believe in the zeitgeist movement, Dont get me wrong i dont think it's perfect but in this day and age everyone in the world could easily be provided shelter/education/food/medicine/technology. Yet we waste our preaching religion/money/ideals. When everyone in the world could be happy. Fuck Capitalism
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez
Love how it takes you days to come up with some Hippie argument. Sorry, but that's not a system of dividing labor and resources, that's a hippie pipe dream.
And communism IS a colossal failure. The USSR collapsed because communism doesn't work, and China is "going capitalist" because, again, Communism doesn't work.
RedwoodTheElf 4 months ago
@RedwoodTheElf LoL I'm not on you-tube 24/7. Pipe dream! The economy is supposed to work for the people. When 1% owns 40% of the worlds money. The 99% has to divide 60%of the worlds money and you're okay with that. Man I don't blame you for who you are. Being brought up in an environment that doesn't give a shit isn't something new. Americans will willingly remain ignorant and will continue to waste fossil fuels instead of using Biodiesel or Electricity when both are better for our economy.
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RedwoodTheElf We cut down thousands of tree's every year when we could easily have the best paper ever with hemp. The government making hemp illegal is the biggest "FUCK YOU" to american society and shows why America isn't free its a illusion. The only reason hemp is illegal is because major pharmaceutical companies would loose billions of dollars every year from the benefits marijuana/hemp could produce. Marijuana use has never killed anyone every in mankind history yet tobacco kills millions
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RedwoodTheElf Capitalism 14,885,207,800.99 Debt. Last time I Check that's failing. Making an Economy off debt will eventually collapse. Money = Debt
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez
Look into the CAUSE of that debt...It's socialist welfare programs, you imbecille. You know...Socialism, communism...the REASON we're in debt is that our politicians are trying to turn the USA into the USSA.
RedwoodTheElf 4 months ago
@RedwoodTheElf Wow, You're seriously brain washed. Do you know how much the military spends a day? 225 million a day, 1.8 billion a week. Seriously fuck capitalism/communism/socialism. They're all failure's in every way. Watch zeitgeist moving foward and learn about how our government is fucking us over. America is falling because of Capitalism and Monetary Mechanism. Machines could take 80% of the work force today, Easily. Get over you're fear of Communism, there all shitty.(PERIOD)
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez Capitalism = profit before family's and jobs
RandyWRodrifuez 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez
YOU are the brainwashed one. Socialist government programs outspend the military by a thousand times over. Go learn some actual facts instead of parroting commiecrat talking points.
RedwoodTheElf 4 months ago
@RandyWRodrifuez Zeigeist is utopian socialism for the 21st century. It ignores the process and jumps straight to Utopia. I agree it is a beautiful fictional world, but absolutely unattainable today.
The shortcoming of Zeigeist Movement are scalability, human fallibility, and time. If you want me to explain send me a private message. =)
TheBalancedAmerican 3 months ago
Milton Friedman would approve :)
b1gr1g 4 months ago
This was more of a Microsoft ad XD.
TheChuck1617 7 months ago
God founded this country with capitalism. if your against capitalism which is what God wants. Your with the other guy... 90% of preachers, evangelist, and missionaries come from America. Lets see... why would the devil want to destroy the system in America? Oh that's right to stop the spread of the Gospel.
TheMediaWolf 7 months ago
If you like socialism, please leave this country and go to a socialistic one. And then when you realize how ignorant you were. You will want to come back but then won't be able to because of how poor you would have become... or better yet the government won't let you leave.
TheMediaWolf 7 months ago
capitalism is the only system we have that is ethical, corrupt government is destroying it - read a damn book, folks
trossjr129 7 months ago 5
Oh and by the way, this is the kind of generic propaganda they have been feeding you since the conception of Capitalism, and if you believe it your pretty gullible. Also this vid was created to counter "the story of stuff", which actually tells us the whole story of our economy, rather than the selective, distorted "Disney" version you've been feed as a child. Wake up and see the whole picture, watch "the story of stuff", "the corporation", "capitalism hits the fan", "manufacturing consent" etc
jemmre 8 months ago
@jemmre
Begone, foul spirit of Communism! If you want Socialism, move to China - Oh, wait, China has decided to start going Capitalist...gee, I guess there ARE no major socialist/Communist states left for you to flee capitalism to, except Cuba.
RedwoodTheElf 4 months ago
Look at the "the spirit level" study, if you want something more grounded in reality and backed up with evidence. It has be proven unequivocally that unequal development (where some become super rich while most people remain "poor" in comparison) is detrimental to a society's health by almost every measurement and that the more equal a society is the more content, satisfied and peaceful a society is. Is it surprising that America came out worst by every measurement of health and well being?
jemmre 8 months ago
Essence of capitalism is aiding and abetting the wealthy to accumulate more & more capital (wealth). This is justified by the rationalization that living in a free society we all have the opportunity to amass our own fortunes. The reality is that as the wealthy become progressively more wealthier (the very nature of capitalism), they use their wealth to squeeze the working class that provides their labor, so insuring their own dominance at the top.
Richest 1% owns MORE than Bottom 95% combined.
halcyon0830 9 months ago
Don't tie capitalism with trickle down theory. Capitalism works only when there is demand. Demand can only work if people are paid a decent wage which can include benefits. Also, taxing smaller wage earners less allows demand to increase than taxing them more. All trickle up theory differs from trickle down: ensuring higher wages benefits and gradual tax brackets based on income. Ensure competition between businesses. Otherwise you get an oligarchy and soon after deflation of production.
jmitterii2 9 months ago
this is deppressing
yellowcatme 9 months ago
Bill gates bought DOS from Seattle Computer Products for $50k and turne around and SOLD it to IBM for a huge profit. Also, they forget to mention that Gate's family was ALREADY RICH.
He also became so wealthy by stifling innovation and competition for decades.
Saying that Microsoft was such a great thing when they held back computer development for decades by using monopoly power to shut down better competing products is insane.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 Look. I'm an old Apple fan from way back so I have no love for MS, but even I have to admit that MS proved that marketing is just as important as tech when success is measured. Apple may have had a better product, but I contest the Amiga was better still. In the long run, MS outpaced them all. They had the right combo to outlast and eventually patch up the bad software. Apple learned and improved as well. MS bought up all the best ideas, so they got paid.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman Microsoft didn't market Windows or DOS to the consumer, they made deals with the hardware manufacturers so that their software would be included by default. Seriously, go back and look at the old commercials from any PC company in the 80's and 90's. None of them were about DOS or Windows.
MS has gained momentum from a lack of competent competition, not by having a good product or ideas. Neither Apple or Commodore had competent leadership in the 80's and 90's.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 I beg to differ. I recall TV commercials for Windows. I remember seeing it for sale in various stores. I suspect that Windows 7 can be found for sale in a store near you right now. Does Apple market themselves better now? MS is an excellent example of the power of marketing in spite of the product.
All that aside, IT was pretty geeky. Still is. Whoever comes up with a safe, voice controlled, "human" interface will be the next big winner IMO.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman I don't recall any windows commercials. I remember IBM commercials and Dell commercials and Gateway commercials.
What Microsoft advertises right now is not relevant to what you said.
Apple is under better leadership right now than they were in the 80's and 90's so of course they market better right now.
Voice controls are not a good idea. Mental controls, maybe, touch controls definitely. Voice controls never took off despite being around for over 20 years.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 Listen to yourself. You said MS didn't market Windows or DOS and your defense is that you don't recall any commercials on TV, like that means anything at all.
Look. I don't care how careless your logic is or how clueless you are about marketing, I'm just making the point that, in spite of itself, MS drove the IT industry for a while there. IBM did, then Apple, then MS, and so on. Now its Facebook and Google. Who knows who is next. Maybe NeXT.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman I said they did not market Windows or DOS to the CONSUMERS. Not only don't I not recall any windows or DOS adverts from the 80's or 90's, but I don't see any here on youtube or anywhere else TODAY.
Microsoft has proven themselves to be pretty bad at marketing their products. If you look at their ads, even today, they piggyback on other people's products and hardly ever mention their own. Laptop Hunters, for instance. And when they mention their own products, the audience yawns.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 Wow. Its like talking to a brick wall.
Let me back up a few steps. There are other ways of advertising. MS's ad dept is and was the tops in their market for ages. They sold (very) inferior software at such a rate that Apple lost 40% of a massively growing market in 6 yrs(estimate). They did sell it to consumers as well as bundling it with hardware. You don't have to believe me. I was there. You were a kid. I was a programmer.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman "MS's ad dept is and was the tops in their market for ages."
Microsoft's marketing has always been bad.
"They sold (very) inferior software at such a rate that Apple lost 40% of a massively growing market in 6 yrs(estimate). "
That was due to Apple incompetent leadership in the late 80's to mid 90's, not due to any brilliance on the part of Microsofts marketing department. Also, you can save your smug attitude. I'll address that in my next response.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@Goohuman "You don't have to believe me. I was there."
Pardon moi? I remember the 80's and 90's very well there, dude. While you're bragging about where you've been, I was there too.
I never said that microsoft didn't sell shelf copies of their software. My issue is that you want to attribute the expansion of window's popularity to being the result of some kind of marketing genius when the fact is that the COMPETITION'S leadership was incredibly poor and didn't understand the market.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 Pardon the attitude, but what I am reading from you is unbelievably naive. You say you were there? Do you recall the market planning meetings at Apple, how they decided to break down the market? I may agree in retrospect that Apple could have moved their focus to software more quickly, but they had a lock on the hardware. IBM was open architecture. They were doomed if anyone reverse engineered the BIOS.
MS, however, was positioned to rule many platforms. Apple was not.
Goohuman 10 months ago
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@Goohuman "Do you recall the market planning meetings at Apple, how they decided to break down the market?"
I recall that Apple booted Steve Jobs out of the company and then, when he formed NeXT, they sued him for good measure. I recall Apple's failed attempts to compete by trying to mimic IBM PC's in numerous different ways.
"IBM was open architecture. "
God no. IBM sued anyone that tried to reverse engineer their BIOS until they started losing cases. By that metric, the iPhone is open.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@Goohuman "MS, however, was positioned to rule many platforms. Apple was not."
That's not what is important. Profitability is. Hardware has a very short shelf life and must be manufactured at a great cost, while software has a long shelf life and can be duplicated in perpetuity for a very small cost. Today, Apple OWNS the premium computer market. They have a very efficient model right now. If they were fighting like this in the 80's and 90's, they would be unstoppable today.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 So we are on to profitability now?
I hope you haven't invested much of your ego into your knowledge of early IT markets.
You know how easy it was to make a profit back then? For jiminy sakes, even the OpenSource guys made money! When the bubble burst in 2000-2001, the one's left standing were there because they fought for position.
I leave you with that. It pains me to imagine how quickly those early battles were forgotten.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman "So we are on to profitability now?"
Profitability is the only viable metric when you're talking about businesses. Ever heard of the profit motive? It's the sole reason for a company to exist.
"You know how easy it was to make a profit back then?"
Apparently not very easy when you're apple in the 90's. They had so much competition in their OWN product lineup and ended up eating a lot of plastic over lost unit sales.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@Goohuman "the one's left standing were there because they fought for position."
First off, Microsoft didn't have to fight with anyone. They got other companies to fight for them while competing platforms had no clue as to what they were doing. In the 80's, it was still anyone's game but Apple's leadership in the 80's and 90's was incompetent until Steve Jobs returned to revive the company. The other companies were not nearly as fortunate.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@Goohuman "For jiminy sakes, even the OpenSource guys made money!"
What does that have to do with anything that I wrote?
The point is that apple in the 80's and 90's was NOT profitable while Microsoft WAS. It wasn't a result of any specific genius or innovation on the part of Microsoft, but of the incompetence of Apple's leadership among many other failed companies of the time. Money is a company's lifeblood. If you don't have any then you can't conduct business well or compete.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
HOW EMBARASSING. EVEN MORE PURE EVIL TO ME. WHAT HAPPEND TO THE MILLIONS OF POOR PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR THIS 90000 newly rich people?
Musselerran 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf i disagree, especially since the Japanese would rather starve then surrender, but the recent UN actions in Libya certainly says something bout the UN, the No fly zone should have been put up weeks ago, the civil war would be over by next week, the only reason to do this is to keep oil prices from going up, which in my opinion should be a wake up call to our retard president to start home drilling, but he's an idiot so, were never going to do that, so your theory is possible
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf more people would have died then needed if we cut their supply line off, Plus the Japanese are big on "dieing with honor". They wouldn't have givin up, the Japanese strapped mines to poles to take out tanks, crashed there planes into battle ships, they would have charged in into battle with there granddads sword if they had to.
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf But your missing the point, the civilian deaths were to break there will to continue the war, besides that's not what made the Japanese quit the war, we bombed Tokyo with incendiary bombs, the Japanese were not ready to give up until we dropped the bombs on Tokyo, then they gave up, you really don't know anything about history, your probably to paranoid to know what really happened. If the US invaded Japan, they would have fought to the last man, women and child
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf THATS NOT THE REASON FOR THE THE NUKES IN WORLD WAR 2. i hate it when people say that, no it was to break the enemy's will to fight. This is part of Sherman's Theory, that you win a war by breaking your enemies will to fight. The Japanese were stubborn SOB's and would have dragged the war out as long as they could. The bombings were succeed were the allies in ww1 failed, to break the Germans will to start a war.
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf tell me were are you getting your facts? and how are they getting away with murder? its not like we are killing civilians, that's against US military protocol and you can be court marshaled for that. My friends older brother who served in Iraq accidentally shot s civilian, he didn't die, but my friends older brother was given a dishonorable discharge and about 3 years in prison, but got off a year early for good behavior.
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf Truth? not really, industries try to provide the services we need during a time of war, plus the private sector was in charge of rebuilding damaged buildings after 9/11, they got it done, the ones run by the public center like the 2 towers are no were near finished. True, corporations can contribute to politicians, but so do Unions, do you think they are bad? the Iraq war was not a war for profit, Afghanistan until recently had no economic value, your just a nut
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf Lyndon Johnson was a socialist, you probably think a government needs to provide for people. Well in the Constitution, written by We The People in order to form a more perfect Union, the Government, is to only up hold the constitution, and make sure every one has Life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness, the government can pursue it for you. Its up to you to go and get it and private business to fill in the blanks.
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf oh shut up about Haliburton, you really really thing the war was so they could profit off it? Your dumber then i thought, Clinton contracted Haliburton all throughout his term, they are a quality company who makes a quality product. true the united states borrowed more then they can afford, but the USSR borrowed from China much more then we did, and they went to war a couple times and tried to hide it. Hear read the book Saddam's secrets, written by Georges Sada
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf no one has made a dime of war in decades, the US spent over a Trillion dollars on the Iraq war alone, who profits hear, no one but the Iraqis, because we have set up a Republic, were everyone gets a chance for a freedom. War no longer creates jobs becasue all the factory jobs that it once created, are being replaced by robots, who can make tanks, vehicles, and ammunition much quicker, what makes you think war is profitable any more?
maximunoutlaw32 11 months ago
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Yeah this doesn't happen anymore. Company Executives are so greedy they lay off people just to benefit themselves. Causing more and more poverty. God damn Capitalist propaganda. The system which is about to fall.
UhMysteryGuest 1 year ago 2
Would have been nice if the makers did their homework
Bill gates did BASIC for the ALTAIR from a HOTEL room... Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak did the world first PERSONAL computer from their GARAGE and made MILLIONS while Bill Gates was still in his HOTEL.... Oh, and Microsoft then BOUGHT, not made, DOS from another guy and sold it for little in LARGE numbers to IBM and IBM compatible computers.
ANYONE, who knows how to use the internet, wikipedia, can read etc could have found the FACTS.
puckman 1 year ago
Good way of explaining it, but you missed the part where the workers in some third world country get paid in beans, and rice. Wars for control of natural resources, just so u can sit on your couch eating a bag of chips a day watching cable.
freeboxthinks 1 year ago
The Story of Stuff is a great video.. it is truth, and common sense. This video is nothing more then a pathetic attempt to keep a system going that is obviously not working anymore.
jtmoneyky 1 year ago
Capitalist propaganda. The system which is about to fall.
thepeacemaker91 1 year ago
@thepeacemaker91 If it fails, it will be because the progressives have sabotaged the system through overwhelming the system. Capitalism and the Free Market system are intrinsically good. "Crony Capitalism," or Big Government in bed with Big Business is a perversion of Capitalism.
fab4bear 1 year ago 10
@fab4bear your thinking is wrong. Capitalism and the monetary system in general USED to be good. It USED to work but it is no longer relevant. The system is collapsing and it is time for a new social system.
jtmoneyky 1 year ago
@thepeacemaker91 The last death cries before they croak.
geofftek 11 months ago
@thepeacemaker91 Capitalism doesn't exist. The US form of economics is corporatism. Don't be naive. Capitalism hasn't existed for almost 100 years now. Why blame a system of economics which doesn't exist, for current problems. If the US was capitalistic, we wouldn't have the IRS, The Federal reserve, DoD, DoE, the Pentagon, the industrial military complex, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, Unemployment INS, EPA, ECT. All lobbied for by CORPORATIONS, or Small group interests.
asleeperj 11 months ago
@thepeacemaker91 The corporations, unions, and their backers rule this world. They are international, and untouchable to government, because they control government, here and elsewhere.
Don't blame capitalism, a system where none of that could possibly exist, never the less gain so much power. It's the backers to the corps and unions you really need to worry about.
asleeperj 11 months ago
i dont know capitalist mexico has gotten more worse than what cuba and ussr are portrayed as in the media
cooks1234 1 year ago
@cooks1234 Mexico is a very poor, corrupt country which is currently under assault by a powerful drug cartel. What exactly is your point?
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear competition,private interest,business,freedom(not liberty).very very very limited gov(even with the whole military issue which actually a lot are in payroll).btw its not one its more than ten and its not just them its also gangs,mafias,and corporations.its pretty much capitalist.minus the whole voluntary thing.not like usa or western world where capitalism has been mixed with socialism for quite a while.even though people were told it was capitalist which it kind of wasnt.
cooks1234 1 year ago
@fab4bear As opposed to Cuba, whose socialist economic policies, according to capitalists like Rand and Friedman, shouldn't work.
Ironically, the literacy rate, life expectancy, and overall quality of life is higher in Cuba, than in any other nation in Latin America with the exception of Chile.
CapitalistOverlord 1 year ago
@CapitalistOverlord OH Yeah? Is that why there have been and continue to be so many people willing to risk their lives to flee the country? My High School Spanish teacher was a refugee, and she told us how terrible life was in Cuba after Castro took over. He confiscated wealth, and murdered people at will. Sounds wonderful to me! Dictatorships NEVER work out well for anyone, except the elite rulers. Fuck off!
fab4bear 1 year ago
Nothing that springs from the misfiring mind of Beck is worth watching.
fantom58 1 year ago
@fantom58 You should try watching him instead of knee-jerk liberal bashing. But that's assuming you have an open mind to honesty.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fantom58 Nobody's holding a gun to your head. I expect nobody's home anyway.
fab4bear 1 year ago 10
MSLOL hahaha
stealthwolf1 1 year ago
Bill Gates NEVER invented anything. He bought DOS from IBM for $50,000. and had his engineers improve it. "Windows" was a direct take from their competitor Apple who had been using it for years. Bill Gates was also found guilty of requiring computer manufacturers to put DOS on all their computers or none. So much for free market competition.
halcyon0830 1 year ago 4
Bill Gates real genius was marketing and successfully cowing regulators to prevent them breaking up what was/is clearly a monopoly. Still I have a lot of respect for him because of his generosity in fighting diseases and poverty (OMG, socialist stuff)
The result of trickle down (or being peed on as I like to call it) is visible in every retail store in America. Pick up any item and look where it's made.Trickle down, trickled down for sure, in China, India, Mexico etc. but not here in America.
halcyon0830 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 His philanthropy is volunteered. He can do what he wants with his money. If he chooses to give it away to Charity, that's an honorable decision. It is NOT socialism to choose to give your money away to anyone or any organization. It is socialism when the Government takes your money away and redistributes it to others. If you think there's a better Country than the U.S.A., save up your money and MOVE!
fab4bear 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 It was his idea. It was his enterprise. He built a very successful company and created thousands of jobs. And then a whole bunch of companies sprung up to create software to run on his invention, creating thousands more, and you want to try to tear his accomplishments down? What have you contributed to society?
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear And what exactly would stop Gates from doing the same thing in a socialist setting?
Its really rich to use MS as an example by the way. Classic example of capitalism gone wrong. Fun fact: Bill didnt invent anything. He just took existing software, put his name on it, and used capitalism to his advantage. Didnt take long before the government had to stop being capitalist for a second and step in to pry him away from his monopoly position because it was ruining the market.
LOL
apestaartje321 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 You have no clue what you are talking about.
Bill wrote an OS before writing all that software. He bought DOS for 50k FOR the IBM deal and improved it. The guy is a genius. MS went to trial for charging too much in California. The OpenSource people were upset that they had to buy Windows with the computer, but they got their money back eventually.
Buy a history book before posting again.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman "Bill wrote an OS before writing all that software. He bought DOS for 50k FOR the IBM deal and improved it"
1) He didn't write another OS. Microsoft got a license from AT&T for their 7th version of UNIX, made a couple modifications and rebranded it as Xenix.
2) Microsoft literally just changed the name of of 86-DOS to DOS after they bought it from SCP. That's the entirety of their improvements to what they bought from SCP. They did the exact same thing with IE and many other products.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355
1) For your info, that is how nearly all software is written (except the very small programs). SDKs come with blocks pre-written for you to use. It still takes serious smarts to make it work.
2)So what were all those versions of DOS? Just renaming and reselling?
You must have lots of confidence and absolutely no fear of ridicule to post the things you say. You really should read and think before you post again. This took all of 1 minute to respond to.
Goohuman 10 months ago
@Goohuman
1) Um, that was the 80's. There was lots of software made from scratch back then.
2) Those were incremental updates, but it is REALLY incorrect to say that Microsoft made any changes to it when they launched it. They bought it, changed the name and sold someone else's work to IBM for a huge profit. If anything, that's an example of Microsoft's overwhelming propensity for buying low and selling high.
Actually, you're the one that's the laughing stock here.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@halcyon0830 You mean he hired people to make it better, that sounds exactly what this video is about. He hired an engineer paid him lots of cash sounds like trickle down to me. Gates testified before congress in 2007 that America needs to be more competitive. Get your facts straight it wasn't DOS it was internet explorer. Which was ridiculous. It would be like buying a car but congress won't let u put a radio in it because the consumer doesn't get a choice of what brand of radio.
dynamitemike65 9 months ago
Capitalism is a Pyramid Scheme.
iww. org/it/node/1228
roman-empire-america-now. com/capitalism.html
halcyon0830 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 That is just laughable it's so crazy.
fab4bear 1 year ago
wat did u use for animate
spidermat1 1 year ago
@spidermat1 It was created by Glenn Beck's staff. I don't know what they used, I just REPOSTED it here.
fab4bear 1 year ago
Hmmm... Have to wonder how all those mixed socialist-capitalist nations like Sweden, Norway, etc are outscoring the USA in terms of health care, longevity, education, happiness, and other measures of "success." So let's have more taxes, narrow the rich-poor gap,and get with the program, people.
EcoRover 1 year ago
@EcoRover HMMM . . . You have to wonder why there are so many people still flocking to the U.S. trying to become a Citizen here?
Nice try, Comrade. Bye Bye.
fab4bear 1 year ago
If you want American jobs to stay you need to get the Govt the hell out of regulating business, beat unions back into submission (they should be banned in all public positions) and get taxes dropped down to as low as possible. Lower taxes ='s more tax revenue, no unions mean lower taxes and the private sector able to compete w/ competing countries and Govt. no longer regulating means certain companies will not have an advantage over other companies because they donated money to a politician.
koyettsu 1 year ago
Trickle down economics stops at the first executive.
voodoomanboy 1 year ago
@voodoomanboy They stopped in the 60s & 70s where everything became outsourced.
badATchaos 1 year ago
@badATchaos Outsourcing didn't really begin until the 90s.
fab4bear 1 year ago
They wouldn't show this in Public Schools because it would counter their... " I hate America & Free-Enterprise " filth .
Great Video,
Wrmach pro.
wrmach 1 year ago
Redistribution of wealth doesn't work! This is a great economics lesson on how free enterprise builds the economy, NOT the government.
lbomya 1 year ago
Cute video. Unfortunately it's wrong. A tax cut doesn't spur innovation. Innovation spurs itself. Who are the modern day wall street darlings? Google? Possibly Facebook? All these companies grew and succeeded because they conceived a product which was in high demand and widely utilized.....not because they got a government tax break of a few percentage points. They were the Alexander Graham Bells and Henry Fords of their day.
wabio 1 year ago
@wabio You need to go back to school. Giving small business people a tax break gives them more money for Research & Development, New Hires, Expansion of all kinds, which in the end generates more income for the Government. Reagan did it, and it worked marvelously.
fab4bear 1 year ago 2
@fab4bear Exactly. It worked marvelously. Pre-NAFTA! Doesn't work like that anymore. Companies are much more like to hire and invest overseas than domestically in this new found global marketplace. Who do you think fueled the explosive growth in China and India? Very little investment is being done here in the United States, so giving them additional tax cuts just allows them to continue adding to the trade deficit.
wabio 1 year ago
@wabio I get your point, and we need to do the things to make it attractive for Companies to keep businesses here. I hate NAFTA.
fab4bear 1 year ago
A more accurate way of analyzing “trickle down economics”, would be to ask….. Would giving present day Microsoft (already a huge company) a tax cut, generate additional American jobs? Would giving their wealthy upper management employees tax cuts result in them hiring two clowns for their kids birthday party instead of one?
wabio 1 year ago
The current tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years, yet there were less non-farm private industry jobs in 2008 than in 2001 (when the tax cut was passed). Do you really think companies are going to spend this money on hiring Americans? I doubt it. Why hire fat, lazy Americans for $15,080 annually (minimum wage) when you can hire somebody in China or India for less than $2,000? You get 7 workers for the price of 1.
wabio 1 year ago 2
@wabio MOST jobs in America are created by small businesses. The tax cuts are aimed at them. They can't afford to move their business to China where labor is cheap. Nice try.
fab4bear 1 year ago
Exactly! So issuing a Capital Gains tax cuts and giving Big Oil a tax cut were the best way to help most small businesses then? Where were the supposed jobs these tax cuts were supposed to create? Please do tell!
<---------This so-called "lazy, uneducated, socially dependent liberal" is listening!!!!
wabio 1 year ago
@wabio So you want to punish small businesses by letting the tax cuts expire. That will certainly create a lot of jobs. Especially with the increase of penalties kicking in with the implementation of the Healthcare Bill.
fab4bear 1 year ago
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wabio 1 year ago
@wabio If you're lumping all big American Corp into the same boat, I don't agree. NAFTA opened doors I didn't agree with. We need to make it attractive for companies to bring jobs back home. The more jobs, the bigger the tax revenue. They are going away in droves now . . . fewer people to pay more tax. It's not good policy.
fab4bear 1 year ago
It doesn't help that, for whatever reason.....just about every Republican just voted against the anti-outsourcing legislation on Wednesday aimed at encouraging companies to hire more Americans.
wabio 1 year ago
I’m all for giving “small” businesses incentives. It’s ironic that ALL Senate Republicans except two (Voinovich R-Ohio, and Lemieux R-Florida) voted against the recent Small Business Stimulus that just passed. I just don’t see the point of giving huge multi-national corporations tax cuts when they’ve shown very little interest in investing capital here within the U.S.
wabio 1 year ago
@wabio And why was that? Can you say unions? Where where the jobs in the stimulus? Union. You're not paying attention to the details.It's kind of like legislation with hidden agendas embedded in them. That needs to stop, along with special interest lobbyists. Either a bill passes on it's own merit or it doesn't. The reason most bills get shot down is because there are special interest agendas embedded in them. You can't alocate funds that direct the outcome to a select segment of the population
GIZZYINDY 1 year ago
I’m all for giving “small” businesses incentives. It’s ironic that ALL Senate Republicans except two (Voinovich R-Ohio, and Lemieux R-Florida) voted against the recent Small Business Stimulus that just passed. I just don’t see the point of giving huge multi-national corporations tax cuts when they’ve shown very little interest in investing capital here within the U.S.
wabio 1 year ago
@fab4bear Source: Publication: Indiana Business Magazine Using a sophisticated dynamic categorization scheme, and filtering out job changes that are purely seasonal, BLS researchers says it's an almost even split. About 53 percent of net job growth in the last decade has come from businesses with more than 100 employees. Businesses with fewer than five workers accounted for 10 percent of overall growth.
voodoomanboy 1 year ago
@wabio And just why did many of the manufacturing corporations leave in the first place? The steel industry, the oil industry, and much of the textile industry left because? Yes cheap labor was part of it, but what was the tipping point? Investors have a stake in the corporations through stocks.The employee is invested how? What do they risk? Just because you think it's unfair that a CEO makes too much, he was voted into that position by the board for a reason.
GIZZYINDY 1 year ago
I've never felt more uncomfortable with the "free market" than seeing "capitalism" represented as lazy stick figures getting money tossed at them poolside for being stock holders so they can pay clowns to entertain thier children. Thankyou Glenn Beck.
chosenmachine 1 year ago
@chosenmachine So, are you comfortable with socialism/communism?
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear I believe as part of a functioning market economy obviously "trickle down" is an integrated piece of that. My comment was more or less a snarky remark at the simplicity of the video's explanation.To describe my politics would be 'libertarian socialism" but any type of statist control i am not "confortable" with. I don't necissarilly feel comfortable with the amount of economic and political influence individuals or groups of people exert either, even if they are not gov't figures.
chosenmachine 1 year ago
@chosenmachine If you don't like Government control, then why do you like socialism? If you're a libertarian, then why do you like big government?
fab4bear 1 year ago
Remember the term "libertarian" has been around since the 1890s. Only since the 1970s in the United States has it been used as a synonym for the pro-capitalist side of libertarian thought. Socialism does not necessitate state control of business or industry but can refer to more democratic forms of economic organization.
chosenmachine 1 year ago
@chosenmachine You can try to dress up socialism all you want, and it's still a bad system. The bottom line is that Capitalism, the Free Market, and socialism cannot co-exist. PERIOD. Don't bother trying to convince me of your nonsense. I want to return to a smaller government, get rid of as much regulations as possible, and let the Market decide who succeeds and who fails. NO MORE bailouts. REDUCE GOVERNMENT! TERM LIMITS! No more career politicians. Repeal the 17th Amendment & Healthcare.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear haha well state controlled socialism already exists within our current political economic system but I'm sure you already know that. I'm sure even in your ideal or near ideal "libertarian" United States the state might still pave the roads, puts out fires, keeps criminals in jail, patrol our borders, respond to national disasters and keep a standing armed force. That said I in no way support state interference in the economy...
chosenmachine 1 year ago
and think the state acts in a parasidic manor to most economic function. My ideal United States would have very limited powers if any and businesses and industry would be organiclly organized co-operatives of different forms. And if you didn't want to have a friendly conversation about our opinions you could have said so instead of saying my opinions are "nonsense", stating your opinion, then repeating in capslock your political slogans. NO MORE CAPSLOCK! REDUCE SLOGANEERING!
chosenmachine 1 year ago
great job!
spencerobyn 1 year ago 2
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eltatero 1 year ago
Actually, I just watched the thing that this is supposed to be countering.
How the fuck does it counter anything? The "Story of Stuff" doesn't advocate socialism, it advocates controlled capitalism- or rather, a reduce in consumption, exploitation, abusive labor practices and anti-environmental production.
They're completely different things. Jesus. How does trickle-down economics save the environment?
amitabho123 1 year ago
@amitabho123 1) Controlled capitalism is not capitalism. Controlled capitalism is "Fascist corporatism" (a form of socialism that is not often talked about). 2) What you assume is that the average worker is a moron. You assume that they will be exploited, because somehow they are forced to work for someone. I am free to choose my employer. Unions can also argue for better wages and working conditions. Why? because they are a producer in the labor market. You understand little.
goingalt 1 year ago 3
@goingalt Stealth socialist. Bye Bye.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@amitabho123 Stealth socialist. Bye Bye.
fab4bear 1 year ago
Trickle-down economics.
The thing is, trickle-down economics work because of the fact that employers can't charge too low a wage, there can't be monopolies and trusts, among other things. Do you think those people paid by Microsoft would be so very happy if Microsoft bought all the other companies hiring software programmers and then paid their employees a pittance?
To make a cartoon like this and try to hide the facts that while capitalism isn't evil, unregulated capitalism is, is ridiculous.
amitabho123 1 year ago
@amitabho123 Yeah, you're obviously brilliant. How many Billions have you made? It's clear you don't understand the Free Market.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@amitabho123
Your logic doesn't work because the bigger the monopoly gets, the higher its costs and the less agile it is. A smaller, more efficient company will always pop-up and start to siphen clients away. The Free Market system works, so long as those who abuse it are properly punished!
BruCru62 1 year ago
very good video :)
Gregourii 1 year ago 2
You got to love some good old Reaganomics. :⊃
ZEPPELIN2739 1 year ago 2
This just makes too much sense for some people to understand. GB should have Bernanke's job.
Myuzishin 1 year ago 2
35% of the wealth of this nation is held by 1% of its population. That is the highest level ever recorded.
90,000 (supposed beneficiaries of MS stock dividends) of 307,006,550 is 0.000293153354546% of the population of America.
That isn't many people at all. But then that supports my first statement above which is easily verifiable.
My point is not that Capitalism is bad but that an oversimplification of it is. Just like any other aspect of government, the economy needs third party oversight.
speedy4060 1 year ago
@speedy4060 - Your argument is extremely flawed. You're missing too many variables. You must add all the wealth created by the 1% and their beneficiaries including the income distributed to their full time employees. You must also include all the jobs created by the money spent by their employees. And the domino effect thereafter. It's called economics in which the whole world benefits when wealth is created.
The market has the opportunity to boycott and the Internet and press will expose.
ZombieLand 1 year ago
@ZombieLand
Help me with the math then. I would like to understand. And my point again was that this video over simplifies things. Again, I have no issue with Capitalism, I just don't believe that totally free markets are a good thing. With freedom comes choice and many people don't care if their choices are immoral or unethical.
speedy4060 1 year ago
@speedy4060 -I agree we must have laws. And some regulations protect consumers and help businesses compete with fairness. But there comes a point when over regulation hinders business growth. Hands become tied and they are taxed to oblivion.
Many people wish they had more money. If companies were taxed less they could afford to offer larger salaries to their employees.
When companies are taxed less they create more long term good paying jobs. This helps people put their kids through college.
ZombieLand 1 year ago 5
@speedy4060 -The point of the video was to show capitalism in it's simplest and purest form. There are many complex puzzle pieces in the free market which has some diverse effects. For example, we see most corruption comes from the financial industry. The market place is considered good but gambling with other peoples money can get us into trouble, especially borrowed money.
Its quite possible that borrowing money is the most evil practice in society. I suggest that everyone become debt free.
ZombieLand 1 year ago 5
@speedy4060- Taking capital from businesses to create a third party government, who tells me how I should invest, takes away my freedom to pursue new ideas, decreases wealth & investment capital.
Business investments are risky in which we have the right to fail. Businesses fail forward continually. When people fail it often creates character which allows us to grow. One day, for those who push forward, will eventually succeed. Those who steal and violate human rights should be punished.
ZombieLand 1 year ago
I was used to work in an automotive plant, located on a campus, with several other plants were we assembled SUV parts. My plant employed close to thousand people, during lunch most of us ordered out, contributing millions of dollars to restaurants around us. When the economy tanked, and the upper middle class and the rich were no longer buying cars, we lost our jobs; the campus was shut down, and the restaurants had to reduce their work force. So, from experience, I know trickle down works.
coliwood 1 year ago
A most excellently produced video! How much fun does Glenn think we can take?
Even Commies can understand this!
YooTooobJeff 1 year ago
Okay, this bugs me the first and second time I saw this.
Where did they get a side view picture of Bill Gates again? Is that from a mugshot?
itsuki51 1 year ago
@itsuki51 Are you serious? That's your comment?
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear
Why, can't chew anything partisan about my post? You go play your games, I'll be posting whatever I want.
itsuki51 1 year ago
@itsuki51 What does a "side view of Bill Gates" have to do with anything? Why are you implying he was in jail?
fab4bear 1 year ago
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jnaujok 1 year ago
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jnaujok 1 year ago
@fab4bear It is a mug shot. Taken from his 12/13/1977 arrest in New Mexico. Look it up.
jnaujok 1 year ago
@jnaujok It was a traffic violation. Your allusions and statements were designed to make it sound like he was a serious criminal. That is deceitful, and being intellectually dishonest. Bye Bye.
fab4bear 1 year ago
@fab4bear Bill Gates was in jail as a young man, you can find his mugshot online. It's pretty funny
chosenmachine 1 year ago
@itsuki51 While we're at it, why don't we ever see Janet Jackson's legs? Hmmmm.....
Myuzishin 1 year ago
@itsuki51 The mugshots were hand-drawn, not from a police sketch-artist ;)
jhnsntmthy 1 year ago
Great job Glenn! Thank you. America the beautiful. America the capitalist!
LasVegasPirateKitty 1 year ago
Comunist Socialist GFY! Thanks Glenn!!! Good Job!
LasVegasPirateKitty 1 year ago 2
Produced by Glenn Beck. Well we can see that there's no need to waste time on this propaganda
dandylionsden 1 year ago
@dandylionsden You're so afraid to open your eyes . . . it might dispel some of the garbage the progressive socialist/communist democrats have been feeding you for so long.
fab4bear 1 year ago 15
@fab4bear
Democrats are welfare statist mixed-economy supporters, not socialists. Socialism is where workers control the means of production. Communism is where the community owns all property-note I said COMMUNITY, not State.
vaguelyhumanoid 1 year ago