Stockhausen GRUPPEN: Birds-eye view (rehearsal)

[chickenringNYC]

@richtomes Thanks for your enlightening comments. For your information, this was a rehearsal attended only by the press and by a handful of sound engineers whose job was to assist in balancing the three orchestras. The performances were both sold out and completely full, and we performed the piece twice back to back.

[richtomes]

@chickenringNYC - I didn't mean the auditorium was empty - I meant the music.

[MusicaRicercata]

Has the Lucerne Festival hosted a performance of Carré?

[chickenringNYC]

Not that I know of... quite rarely done, eh?

[abdultom]

when you compare audience to musicians it's terrible. the music is good, shame it had to be so expensive

[chickenringNYC]

This is a rehearsal: the concert was completely sold out, both performances.

[chopperfoto]

I cant understand how people fail to see the genius in stockhaussen's work, the dissonance/discord invokes a fantastic feeling of drama and suspense, he should be a requirement for anyone studying film scores, fantastic

[chickenringNYC]

Exactly.. this piece, although highly complex, is accessible from a dramatic standpoint. You may not understand the processes Stockhausen uses (I know I don't) but you can still feel a propulsive "emotional" drive to the piece. Not that Stockhausen intended that or anything, hah!

[kaustin6969]

The video is interesting and is a simple 'document' of the rehearsal. The sound / audio is that picked up by the camera. The work, like Kontakte, needs to be heard "in the space" to be brought into the three-dimensionality of its conception. One day with three monitors and a 7.1 system we will experience it.

[manfromuranus]

This is a gorgeous brave work with many dramatic moments if you have the ability concentrate in more than just the emotional level required for most other musics.

[carlotajoaquinaporra]

wow, i REALLY wish i liked this.. i wish i get it someday

[richtomes]

This sounds awful - completely meaningless plinky plonk 'oh my god' noises - why does anyone bother with it ?

[annedegro]

"completely meaningless plinky plonk 'oh my god' noises - why does anyone bother with it ?"

Why anyone bothers?

Because there are many important traditionally educated musicians and listeners in the world that have experienced that this isn't 'meaningless plinky plonk'.

[richtomes]

'there are many important traditionally educated musicians and listeners in the world that have experienced that this isn't 'meaningless plinky plonk'

And a great many more experience the complete opposite, including the vast majority of the world's celebrated musicians and conductors, who don't want to be associated with it at all. Yes a few do put their names to it - some no doubt sincerely, many more for political reasons, but the vast majority prefer to steer well clear of such nonsense.

[kongming819]

@richtomes It would seem that the reason why the majority stick with the more traditional is the "political reasons" that you mention, or more correctly put, popularity. Why are they celebrated? Because they cater to the wants of less-musically-sophisticated audiences, i.e. the majority. I have never heard of anyone doing this politically. One can't really conduct something like this without the sincerity to study this "nonsense," as you put it. Sincere because they recognize the true greatness.

[cnmaster01]

@richtomes oh hey troll welcome back

[anonmist]

This sounds awesome!!!!!

[impaledround]

Did the audience notice? :)

There are a few Stockhausen BBC proms this year in early august, might be worth checking out. Not sure if BBC broadcasts are available perhaps online in the US?

[impaledround]

Yes, notice the distinct lack of audience! ... is this not a rehearsal?

I'd love a close up of the conductor's score :]

[chickenringNYC]

This is just a rehearsal, geniuses.. The concert was packed completely full.. and we played the piece twice.

[VomitSelf7]

incredible. Where is everyone, seeing such an orchestra would be awful to miss.

[keeskogel3291]

Hmmm - not bad...