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  • Nice, you should see static take offs at smo

  • Nicely done. Plus you have clearly captured the engine "cutback" procedures as kindly and explained in full by Fortress1753.

  • The one thing that I like about Orange County, ironically, is the short-field procedure of take-off. I flew to SFO on a United Airbus A319. Whoa, nothing like getting thrown back in your seat! I wonder, with only 20 (yes TWENTY) people on the flight, will that make a noticeable difference in how the take off feels as opposed to a full plane with all the extra luggage?

  • Damn they take off hard and fast! My GF flies out of there a good bit and says that even seasoned travelers get nervous on this take off. Make sme want to do it bad! I felt like Tampa had a steep ascent when I was there. Atlanta is okay. Dubai was the weirdest to me. They must have a giant runway because when we landed I felt like we never hit the brakes and take off was casual.

  • I hate taking off from this airport...the cutting back on the engines is weird then circling back over land home to AZ makes me nautious!

  • i would let one rip if i was taking off there

  • I wanna do that on an airbus a380. Or 747. Now that be intense. To bad they don't do orange county :(

  • that must be a nasty feeling to reduce all that power at once !!!!!!!!!!! ahhhh !!!!!

  • i've always wanted to take off from there.

  • I think I peed myself one time landing there. 

  • I can see my house!

  • To dfa548: Thank you for posting this. My wife and I live in NorCal, but we've flown into John Wayne a couple of times when we wanted to fly to Disneyland instead of driving down I5. At any rate: Every time I tell someone about the takeoffs, they always sort of cock their eye as if to say "Yeah... right". Thanks for posting again. I've been through these takeoffs, and they're a lot of fun.

  • SNA has always been my favorite takeoff. I don't really notice the throttle cutback now as much as I used to though...not sure why. I don't see why everyone hates the people that live at the end of the runway though...the noise abatement procedures and short runway make an otherwise boring take off interesting. I think landing at Kai Tak in a 747, and taking off from JFK in a Concorde would be the only thing I would rather do more, but I never got the chance for either of those.

  • that is probably one of my favorite departures to fly.

  • I've heard about this take off procedure for noise abatement. Thanks for posting it, must be a trip to experience. As for the morons who make stupid comments, just shut up!

  • At 1000 ft, power is reduced from takeoff thrust to climb thrust. This is standard operating procedure (SOP) for all jet aircraft. Sometimes the reduction is more noticeable than others. One time departing out of Las Vegas for JFK, the OAT was 115 F. We took off reduced power at 1000ft climbed another 1000ft and reduced power again.

  • screw those rich bastards - they think they're better than everyone else. Every place should have the same noise ordinances.

  • @UtahImplosion actually alot of airports have noise abandoment procedures, not just orange county. So It's not just the rich areas.

  • To Fortress1753: Thanks for your very detailed information. It's always a pleasure to obtain real world information from real world pilots. I didn't know that GE monitors their engines like that. thanks!

  • I love the sighs of relief and nervous laughter.

  • Wow...engines cut back on me (the first time ever) this past Xmas while heading to Houston! I guess this is normal taking off from JW?

  • Where were you heading too out of SNA?

  • around 1:00 I can hear that the passengers are finally able to breathe again...

    like being bowled over

  • 777s dont fly out of ksna nice try fake pilot

  • 737 fantastic exceleration.

    Great video!! Perofming a similar takeoff in the 777-200ER is pretty fun, but you need quite a bit more runway as imaginable.

  • Actually, if you look at a guy's video's here he has stock footage of new factory 777-300's and -200's being delivered from KBFI with NO payload. They takeoff within 20-25 seconds, meaning that a takeoff in a 777-series aircraft is feasible, but not wise. Those GE90's would tear the surroundings up!

  • I flew out of this airport once not knowing what to expect......needless to say that was the first AND LAST time I have done that. When the engines cut back I thought we were history!

  • I flew out of this airport once not knowing what to expect......needless to say that was the first AND LAST time I have done that. When the engines cut back I thought we were history!

  • I live very close to SNA and my points of view are this. 1) the airport was here first. If you dont like the noise you shouldnt move there. 2) takeoffs there are freakin cool. power brake until the plane shakes then almost vertical climb and cutback at 250kts until 10,000 feet. And when it is hot and humid it gets even more fun. Never get tired of flying out of here.

    Its more fun in the larger planes (757s)..

  • is N1 the only runway at SNA where they cut back?

  • when we landed there we went tumbling that is a short runway

  • dang that was a short runway

  • that's quite fast speed for just starting

  • yikes, that could be very scary for someone not knwoing the situation there

  • The pilot holds the brakes and lets the engines get all the way up before rolling. I bet that feels amazing. =]

  • I just want to fly an F/A-18 10 feet over these rich bitches houses

  • yeah that would be funny

  • great... wonderful takeoff

  • What golfcourse was that?

  • The Santa Ana Country Club

  • They make cutback on N1 not because of less noise but so they can have power to roll left in the departure pattern.

  • You just didn't even read the description, did you? The cutback is made for noise restrictions. Why do they need any reserve power to roll left??

  • LOL what? That doesn't even make sense. Cutback in N1 is for noise reduction. They even have dB meters along the departure path - if the dB max is broken (ie. you are flying "too loud") you can get fined.

  • Is this 1l?

  • one left is the opposite direction sir. 19R is the runway shown for this takeoff.

  • SNA is a full powered takeoff, followed by a "cutback N1" or reduced power setting at 1,000 feet. Normal pitch attitude on climb out is V2+20 which is about 18% pitch. At 800 feet that FO calls "Approaching Cutback" and which time the Captain lowers the nose to around 14 degress and the FO reduces the power to the cutback N1 value at 1,000 feet.

  • In actuality, a departure out of SNA never "drops like a roller coaster" on climbout. The sense that you're falling is because you have a very high rate of climb followed by a shallow one.

  • the noise restrictoins here are just stupid

    just cause they are rich dosn't mean they need to change everything for them

    gosh.

    and anyways if they didn't want nois they shouldn't have moved so close to the airport

  • actually, they're not stupid....and the airport came after most of the older homes...quit the class warfare thing, that's what's stupid

  • @cjracer1000 I hope one day a plane really stalled & crash onto these houses, thanks for creating such stressful take-off procedures.

  • @kopial LOL omg i wouldnt go that far, but i know what you mean!

  • For that airport they have to cut the engines

  • i would freak out if i heard the engines throttle all the way down! but luckily southwest has the best pilots of any airline.

  • haha... you wouldn't want to learn to fly then

  • not quite, the worlds best trained pilots belong to Swiss air, Airlines in North america Have well trained pilots.

  • Im sure both countries have good pilots.. shove the pilot chauvinism. When Switzerland gets half of the traffic in the entire country that the Los Angeles airspace gets in one day, then you can talk. Until then, just enjoy the videos.. quietly. :-)

  • When I first experienced the OC climbout, all I could do was laugh about it.

  • You notice the aircraft pitching up over 20 degrees and pulling throttle down right?  John wayne airport has noise restrictions so when they takeoff they climb steeply and reduce throttle to reduce the noise.

  • youre right about the noise abatement procedure at sna, but as a pilot, i can assure you that even a jetliner rarely exceeds 15 degrees of pitch. Althought inertial sensations may suggest otherwise, airliner pitch is kept well within the envelope

  • true, or else the angle of attack would be too high and the plane would stall out with the nose attitude so high it would be hard to recover from the stall. the reason it feels like such a hight pitch is because of Somatogravic caused by the otolith. at least that's what my flight textbook says

  • that would be fun. CLB-2 setting for sure, right from TO power without a reduction or derate probably...kinda lame though, how the rich ppl have to have this done just for them...

  • Worst airport ever, they're sending their helicopters and low-flying planes over my neighborhood now, and the air traffic control after 11:30 P.M. is at LAX!

  • youre the dumbass that moved right next to an airport, whatd u expect?? fuck ppl are retarded, stop bitching cause its pussy little OC bitches like you thats making it unsafe, my uncle is a pilot and its not safe to over power the engines then have to back off, most pilots would agree on it too, why would you wanna make flying unsafe just so you little pricks dont have to hear it, you can still hear it, FUCK YOU!

  • it's not a bad airport, you're just a dumbass who lives near the airport, i'm sure the airport was there before you were, stop bitching and move.

  • actually, as a controller the air traffic control after 11:30 PM is NOT at LAX (LA Airport). It is at LA Center in Palmdale CA

  • Actually, as a controller I'll tell you that this info is not true. After 11:30 PM the airspace belongs to So Cal Tracon in San Diego. Not LAX. There are many more air traffic facilities then just towers.

  • Takeoff and landing at SNA isn't that bad. I just flew in and out of SNA in a United 757 over March 21 and 27 and the landing and takeoff was fine and comfortable!!!

  • I avoid that airport whenever I can! I hold onto the armrests as tight as I can in fear of floating out of my seat, I know its not possible, but I have severe motion sickness. So those take-offs feel amplified to me, feels kind of like getting the air knocked out of me..........

  • Ive got one question, i have take off in many 737, like 30 times ( no joking), and what i see is that in my country, it uses like the 95% of the power due to the hot temperature, but still i dont understand why it is harder to lift a plane in my country, and why it is faster on usa airports?

  • It depends on many factors. The altitude at which the plane is, the temperature outside, the Standard Operating Procedures of a certain airline, etc. The higher the altitude, the weaker the engines perform. The warmer the temperature, the weaker the engines perform. And so, there are various things that need to be put into consideration.

  • Hot air is less dense than cold (with all other factors held constant) and thus does not provide as much lift/knot as cold, thus the takeoff needs to be fast and thus the engines need more power.

  • Cool vid! I think that departure is total fun! Once I warned a girl sitting next to me about the procedure prior to departure but that didn't stop her from screaming and grabbing my harm at the cutback. lol That brief sensation of weightlessness is awesome.

  • this is weird but the sensation of g forces in the back seat of a baron doing stalls and steep turns feels awesome to me.

  • i was on that plane

  • I highly doubt that.

  • LMAO!!! Good answer. You know you weren't on that plane. HAHAHA! "I highly doubt that"

  • Dude, that silenced quick! O_o

  • I've flown out of John Wayne Airport before. It really IS disturbing to experience that, even when you DO know what's going on. I hated that so much! But the description you put in there is reassuring.

  • Augh. John Wayne airport is so wierd. I hate their rules for takeoff, I was on a plane that didn't take off at full speed and it felt like we were going to drop right outta the sky!! I wonder why they had to build it so close to the suburbs.

  • Thay wouldn't have a Noise abatement if the airport was in the hood

  • your right about that...Burbank airport does not follow those same procedures.

  • because Burbank doesn't have rich bastards living around the airport like SNA does:-)

  • I don't understand how LGB has noise abatement then!

  • hmmm...unfortunately my house is under the landing path to john wayne. how 'bout pilots try a 'noise abatement' LANDING in addition to take offs? seems like that'd be even more exciting, lol.

  • How bout you move?

  • how 'bout you move? Airport was there before you...

  • stop complaining you shouldn't have moved to where you live! Because of people like you there are so many rules about flying into airports which make it harder for us!

  • Took the words right out of my mouth

  • thank you, dido!!! The restriction makes for a fun takeoff but I cannot understand u people who moved at such close proximity to a an airport!

  • Hmm so thats what it was, i remember flying out of Jacksonville Florida on a southwest 737 and i remember climbing fairly steep and all the sudden the engine seemed like it cut off. i don't remember the captain ever saying anything about the procedure so i almost shat myself

  • I've flown into John Wayne, as a passenger, at least 20 - 30 times, since I use to live there. I never even realized any of the things people are talking about until you just mentioned it, it's all just regular stuff...

  • Wow! it only took 21 seconds from the start of the roll to VR.A truly fun takeof.

  • That "Woah" at 00:50 says it all.

  • did u hear how quiet it got when they flew by the golf course

  • NASA should train at SNA. As someone who is not a good flyer, it's pretty unnerving riding the blast-off out of Santa Ana. And just when you get your head back on straight, they cut back the engines so the wealthy aren't disturbed. I salute anyone who's flown out of SNA and not swallowed their gum at some point!

  • I fly out of SNA all the time, it's perfectly normal for me :P

  • In addition to mr. Fortress1753's comments I'd like to say that I doubt the plane "drops like a rollercoaster", more likely stops descending which may feel like descending when you don't have the visual cues, but does not lose altitude at any point.

  • and that's how u get ppl's attention...

  • Once I was doing some research for school project, and I interviewed the Assistant Director from John Wayne Aiport, Loan Leblow, she was a very nice lady, and she says that noise control is one of their main priorities. Next to security!

  • No, its not sad at all. I live in Cliffhaven in Newport Beach and I don't want low flying planes over my house. I guess I am the "rich folks" of OC you are referring to.

  • Same story at Burbank.

  • What's wrong with BUR?

  • No, its not sad. I live in Cliffhaven (apparently I AM the "rich folks" of Orange County) it's not cool to have low flying airplanes over your house constantly. plus, I love the take offs at John Wayne, they're fun.

  • I love departing from 19R

  • there isnt any noise, and its not annoying, I live in Newport Beach like 10 mins away from the airport and u cant hear absolutely nothing, even when ur on the freeway where the plans literally fly like 15 feet above u, its not annoying. my family always flies from there and take off or landing isnt bad at all

  • Amazing. But isn't it sad that all this has to be done for the convenience of the rich folks of Orange County?

  • It's not just for the people that live under it, it's also to maintain property values. Right under the flight path sits some of the most expensive real estate in the country.

  • I live a couple of minutes away from the airport. I never get tired of the noise

  • I live near KSNA and love the airport. Thanks for visiting Orange County. :)

  • Does the pilot warn you all before hand that he cuts the engine after take-off? Cause if he didn't, and I heard the engines power down, I'd most definitely crap my pants.

  • yah he states all the procedures over the intercom, but he talks fast and nobody really listens...

  • Dumb noise restrictions if you ask me. The airport was there first, then the people moved in, and started complaining.

  • Yup, sounds like the same thing we've got going on here at St.Pete (PIE) Florida with the noise restrictions. The airport was here first and used to have a good selection of airlines coming and going but not anymore, it's mainly UPS now~!!!

  • OH wait silly me it did.

  • I live right on the cliff by the bay, they almost fly right over my house, sometimes when I fly out of John Wayne I can see my house.

  • Noise abatement is fun! A 5700 foot runway is long enough....as long as nothing goes wrong.

  • And if something, in the extremely offchance, does go wrong, it's screw noise abatement, reassuring to me though I usually would be too excited especially on a 757 takeoff.

  • I just flew back from John Wayne. First time in LA basin. It was a punchy take-off but nothing scarey at all. Good vid.

  • i've seen them live....very interesting!!!

  • I've never flown out of John Wayne because I was always afraid of the take-off's after what I've heard about them but they don't seem that bad. It looks like they didn't even use the whole runway either just about half of it which seems kind of odd.

  • to takeoff you don't need the entire runway. That 737-700 can takeoff within a couple thousand feet, plus they were pretty much at full power also which could've helped.

  • rollercoaster+ + sky diving! gogogo!

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