@vertualol I don't like him however in this case he is goddam right!
5 minimalistic abilities, next to no survivability abilities (and the 2 or 3 heroes that have them are OP: Nethys and Bax, what a coincidence :O ), next to no movement abilities, no CC, no targeted healing to prevent one key ally to die. You being worthless alone if you don't have 5 other people next to you and having to rely on them having a brain. You can BARELY make a difference by yourself. Zergs everywhere!
Game's deceptively deep. You can't rambo your way around, and you won't be successful unless you apply yourself to the role you've chosen. You absolutely have giant, glaring weaknesses and if you don't get somebody of the right class to help you out, you're doomed.
It's no surprise the average gamer doesn't like it, you have to rub two brain cells together and it can hurt when you're not used to it.
@Verdandeify Yes, because being skilled is definitively having to rely on other people and being useless if the right person is not there?
If you think this game requires brain cells you obviously haven't played a real competitive game. I would suggest Street Fighter 4 IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT COMPETITION IS REALLY ABOUT!
I think you are just butthurt for getting killed so much, seriously it really sounds like it. Everyone has a chance to win without playing 24/7, finally the hardcore nubs will eat it. finally the casual has a chance. It takes just as much skill in this game, as it does in WoW and WaR, i played them all. You are sooo butthurt you are getting pwned ^^
@MrTirien You summarized very well the problem of this game.
They are trying to appeal to people like you. You obviously have no clue what being skilled is really about. I could bet my life's worth that you never achieved anything PvP-wise in WoW or else you would know how bad the PvP in this game is.
And before you ask, I was a Challenger in WoW, far from Gladiator but I bet a 1000 times better than you I bet :)!
Why do we play FPS games, all you do is kill someone or get killed, but what's the point? Why do we play RPG games? We pretend to be someone we're not, we do alot of stuff like i skyrim or Mass Effect, but what's the point? The point in games is to have fun, and win (If you care about that). This looks friendly, casual and easy to use, it's heaven for someone who can't sit 24/7, and i will for sure play it :).
@MrTirien I will also play this game because 1st: I like Warhammer and 2nd: I dont wanna spend all my freetime on farming and buying good gear 3rd: I have tried the beta and I think it seems fun :)
Way to give first impressions on beta gameplay lmfao, you just lost all credibility with me for all the vids i have watched from you on past games. I will not view your future ones as you have compared WoW to be a better game and yet you have described "WoW to a T" in the manner of which this game has been reviewed. I have been playing this "beta", key word, since beta1 and it is now on 5 with alot of added balancing, customization and overall fun. Gratz on grading a BETA...
@crazytisthat In a beta you can see the general idea of the gameplay, to fix the issues this game has it would need a complete overhaul. Use logic instead of raging like a wild monkey.
Games Workshop, you were on such a good track with games like DoW:DC and even DoW2 started out good but you have truly allowed some fucking awful games to be made when you actually have one of the most in depth worlds to let dev's play with. WTF ARE YOU DOING? SM was decent but lacking, Retribution was a fucking sham. This looks guff. WH-O looks shit. Firewarrior? ohboy! SotHR! FFS, get your farkin act together Games Workshop!!!!!!
@AnaLoGMunKy WH-O was amazing, the only problem was they dropped the ball by not enforcing a mechanic to keep server balance so everyone got tired of being facerolled by a 3-1 pop ratio on most servers (since it relied so heavily on pvp). That said "if" they had incorporated some sort of pop balance the game would have been nigh perfect.
I would love to have even given it a try but sadly Im of the ilk that refuses to spend cash on a subscription to a game esp one that didnt really look like an awsome warhammer world. I reserve judgement as I said it looks bad, but as you said, it could have been good.
@AnaLoGMunKy Meh, I don't mind paying monthly for a decent mmo, after all servers, mods and devs adding things on aren't really free and peer to peer would be a nightmare. The gameplay was pve was good, the pvp was awesome, and the flavor was awesome, very few balance issues it was just the numbers, shame really.
Shame is a nice way of putting it. When I heard there was gonna be a WH MMO I was creaming myself. But... I was still skeptical because I know that most dev's dont have the balls or knowledge or passion to really make the game that Warhammer deserves (and also, I wanted a WH:40k MMO, was never into the WHFantasy world as much for actual playing on TT or Computer)
But still, if I was gonna pay for an MMO it would have been a WH one.
@AnaLoGMunKy Not sure if it's using the same engine, I know I saw back at 2010 E3 but there where no booths for it at the 2011 (only the Space Marine one, which was awesome and looked like a giant drop pod haha).
They might have had a showing for some of it in one of the press pass places but I'm not certain, my pass only covered the two main floors not the media stuff up top.
Well I can but hope, my main gripe with SM was that it wasnt open enuf, meaning you were trapped mostly in very linear levels. An MMO would instantly solve that. The did get the scale and feel of SM just right and there were some epik moments.
Thanks for linking that vid on DMOnline, that and Diable 3 are my two eagerly awaited games now :)
@AnaLoGMunKy Yeah it was a bit linear but shooters usually have to be as big open worlds don't tend to work well with the game play type (ie running into streams and mobs of enemies). An MMO would work but fps and 3ps haven't managed to really pull off an open exploring type of game play yet that I'm aware of (the closest would arguable be something like Grand Theft or Saints Row, but thematically they rely on a lot more than what a setting like SM could use).
To be honest... This game is boring. I'm in the beta and the auto lock on is annoying as hell. Can't quit games. The tactics option has been removed. Its just a giant cluster fuck. And it's dull. Your upgrading is that you can select 3 masteries which don't change much. +1 second on an AOE skill... Amazing... Why they even thought of this game when Warhammer Online is holding on by a thread is beyond me. To be honest with this and Space Marine... I don't want to touch a warhammer game now...
who the hell cares? same way 2v2 or 3v3 or 1v1 makes a difference in a game? When you just think 5v5 and that hero balancing will depending on the dynamic between the solo lanes and junglers and what have you. How the heck is 6v6v6 going to work out? On that note yeah probably a poorly thought out gimmick trying to set itself out from the other dota games,
This REALLY looks like one of those games that has a lot of potential, adds on old stuff, but has some mechanics that really just aren't a good idea. If there was some actual aiming to it, some customization (ie; an item system maybe, some sort of character customization) and just... a tps mmoba seems VERY interesting to me! I'd love to try something like this if there was a bit more to it...
@Yaenu1093 You've never played WAR Online I see. This looks nothing like it, same models and similar arena's perhaps, pathetically fewer abilities, no gear options, no tactic options (slotted things), and so on and so forth. It's more like they took WAR Online, dumbed down the shit out of it, took away 90% of the options you have in combat, and made it a game.
@Yaenu1093 Yeah because the models being used with different rigs, different programing, different gameplay is totally the same thing as the online game right? Might not want to call people tard when no one would have called you out if you had simply said it "looks" like the WAR Online models instead of ignorantly asserting that it was the same engine, skills, classes, hur dur dipshit.
I'm gonna try this out (mostly due to Age of Reckoning-fanboyism) though i agree that further improvment is needed. I am extremly casual, so the mindless combat is more up my ally than for say, LoL, but the simplicity of the game is just terrible. The best part of the game was by far castle sieging, and that is what should be included in all-pvp game, like it should have 2 'modes' one siege (2v2) and one like the one in this video, that would satisfy more people enough to actually get it.
From someone that plays Warhammer Online and has played this game.
This review is justified. This game really dumbs down the experience compared to the actual game. WAR does have a lot of "RNG" in it, but the amount of skills you have in it and the amount of customization makes it better.
But, I argue the game engine looking like crap. WAR is a few years old, so it can't be helped.
I think they should use the same concept as WAR Scenarios and have 2 teams. That is what the PvP was designed for.
Why must a game require "skill" to be enjoyable? After all, it's just a "game" which is supposed to be "fun".. isn't it?
Listening to the community is like running a democracy - you'll never please everyone. The developers should get back to making "their" game the way "they" foresee it and whoever it happens to appeal to, let them enjoy it.
Sorry TB, love most your vids, and please keep it up, but calling a "game" dumb because it doesn't require too much skill is in itself a dumb thing to say
they didn't listen to the community, maybe they're trying to justify this recycling of their MMO that flopped because they released it half-assed like its the communities idea, but the WARs community did not want THIS.
I'm not a skilled player. I suck at games. Horribly. CoD and stuff like this is fun for me, it's flashy and it gives me stuff. That's all I need. I don't want to play with skillful people, I know that I'll just get killed over and over again. If you want skillful play, go back to your Quakes or whatever, or find one today that does require it. This seems fun to me.
Having played the Beta myself since the first iteration I can personally agree with a lot of what he is saying, there isn't much skill required to play the characters, however personally I am not going to write this game off just yet as there is still plenty of potential for their new Mastery System that launched in Beta 4.
I'll be honest, it looks kind of boring, I do tend to like games that require some skill... If I wanted to button mash, I would play a fighting game with a beer in hand.
3 teams doesn't sound so bad, but the auto hits probably wrecks the whole thing. If you would make it require more skill shots, give teams 'personalities', orc, elf and human team for example and give ethem characters that are the same but in the team's flavour. It might work.
Damn shame that they let the Original WaR to a slow death, it had Real potential and had awsome pvp AND pve (but nobody did it)... now its just a pvp farming game
Whenever TB dislikes a game his reviews become very degrading overall. Suddenly every feature he encounters is "bad" in some way. Like others have said it is very unprofessional.
@Si0nic it may be very unprofessional, even though this is his opinion. these wtf are not to get you to buy the game, but instead to show you different games and how they work. if wtf help you get the game thats great, but if not watch it to enjoy it. if it doesent help dont get angry about it. and if you dont go watch something else of his. he uses constructive critiscism, not trolling the game.
@Si0nic You are obviously not capable of looking at it objectively, if you were you'd see that he doesn't suddenly see things as bad when he dislikes a game. He dislikes a game because he see bad features. Huge difference kiddo, and that is professional.
ok, so someone on his team is called codex. Oh, like in the guild. Codex is his team's healer. That's funny, codex is a healer. Wait, he plays as Felicia to start. and she's a magic user? Massive coincidence ftw?
Ugh i wish the old mythic crew would just get together and just totally redo and remake DAoC...no dumbing down anything, just back to the old ways of Open world PVP/RVR....none of this stupid crap they are doing now...but i know that will never happen.
I got Warhammer Online not long after launch and I was excited - a Warhammer MMO!
I played it for a while and I loved it, I loved it so much I could forgive how rushed it felt. Gradually however I had to leave as I could ignore these shortcomings no more but I returned last summer and a lot of content was gone or simplified.
Now we are left with an over simplified button bashing Arena with nothing but premades and set skillsets.
Absolutely depressing as I adore Warhammer but I can dream...
hey british guy chill man, it is still only a beta so of course changes will be made. and by the way didnt you see the store? well progression is coming my friend since you can earn gold and spend it to buy heroes and such, like in lol. by the way skill.. in lol? bitch please have you ever been 2 shotted by a lux because she got fed, because your mid player sucked so hard freddie mercury facepalmed?
It's funny because an arena based action game called bloodline champions is the complete polar opposite to this because it is all skillshots! Also it's a shame the warhammer ip gets wasted for such a mindless crappy game because really that the game can rely on a warhammer fans interest to pick up the game and be instantly dissapointed because fluff is shit on and there is nothing to interest you.
sigh......... I hope they improve this... I love DOTA and I love LoL but my true love is the warhammer franchise, tabletop etc. A legitimate MOBA Warhammer game would be great. DID THEY EVEN TRY?
@GetOutOfHereCreeper To me it's about fun, I find challenging games fun. Simply locking on to a target spamming your rotation of spells is not what i find challenging. But to say: This is better than HoN LoL and DotA2 is entirely subjective, and I do not think people will generally agree with you on that view of things.
You're complaining about the lack of skill in the game yet your team is getting crushed in each game. There are objectives within the maps, maybe try and work together and win a game? Maybe the game isn't about individual skill and more about Team skill, executing objectives, reacting to the other teams strategy?
i remember the secnd map ... back then when it was just released i wet my pants when i first time experienced the ORVR siege of a Ork Barracks ... it was epic ... most ppl cant even imagine how awesome the game was...but lags or empty servers and no patches ruined it... :( still have 2 untouched copys of the game but just dont want to reinstall, because i fear it is going 2 dissapoint me big time, would like 2 keep the memories of the OLD WAR
Please everybody, don't play this game. It's obvious EA is just trying to keep Warhammer games alive in some shitty way. This game is absolutely nothing like Warhammer. I want massive pvp with hundreds per side. Oh wait, we had that...but EA took a huge shit on it and pulled this game from the pile. I love warhammer, and I will never play this.
@Necronlord101 give Warhammer online script to a bunch of russian coder kids who love Fantasyhammer and ull get a better game than ea wouldve done it with all theyr money... too bad u cant openly mod a MMORPG :/ .. meh waiting for Dark Millenium ... hope they pull this off good... atleast they can spell Warhammer *hope*
And no, I'm not butthurt fanboy because I didn't even hear of this game until now, and I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize, but god damn you aren't using any respect here. It's one thing to criticize, it's another to be a complete troll. I don't care if this is you're shtick, if being cynical is your moniker, you portray yourself as a professional then act to the contrary. There is something disgraceful in this video and its how you have just showed yourself
@theworstfish Came across as professional to me, he justified everything he said, gave relevant comparisons to back up his claims. Professionals are allowed to use words other than 'bad' to describe a bad game, a developers feelings shouldn't be hurt if they see this because it is constructive, he has said where they went wrong and why in his opinion. A troll would simply get a thesaurus and list every synonym of bad then end the video.
Gosh, you can be such an asshole. No, I'm not a butthurt fanboy because I rarely watch TB videos. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize, but you aren't showing any respect here. It's one thing to criticize but another to be a complete troll. I don't care if this is your shtick, being cynical is your moniker, you portray yourself as a reasonable youtube user, then act to the contrary. There is something disgraceful in this reply and its how you have shown yourself.
Someone please start a petition and show it to Bioware to remove auto-targeting, and make spells and melee aim-based, like Mortal Online, Bloodline Champions, LOCO, etc. Just look at most F2P games since they all have aim-based combat. It was only designed because of the times of a 56k modem and having bad latency, so it was a way to actually connect hits, but companies still use the idea, even though we don't need it anymore. They still go that route, and the skill-based gameplay goes away.
It's not that EA hates f2p, it's EA hates intelligence. All their games are dummied down to nothing. Basically their PvP version of rubberbanding street racing games instead of requiring some bit of skill.
If you think that he is giving the game a bad rep, just listen to what he says after your blind rage about him goes away. Most of what he says is actually true. The auto-targeting is the worst idea ever thought of. It was only designed because of the times with a 56k modem and having bad latency, so it was a way to actually connect hits, but since companies still use the idea, even though we don't need it anymore, they still go that route and the skill based gameplay just goes away.
@thauller "We designed a really good, skillfull, tactical game here. Because they didnt!"
Hes VERY MUCH bashing the game, and anyone can see why, the graphics are poor, the gameplays bad, 3 teams? what? No other game has 3 teams, leage of legends would be hilarity on a stick 5 V 5 V 5.
i hope it gets better. list of improvments. 1.acctual aiming. 2.ingame store. 3.variable team sizes. 4. your own character. after all of these have been added this may acctualy be a good game.
Sad to see such a good IP get butchered again. I wish they could stick to the Lore a lot more I think that would be a lot more beneficial to everyone and its not like the Warhammer doesn't have enough different characters in it.
They got it all wrong, you dont need 3 sides within such limited playercount, you need 3 sides when its open world pvp, to avoid zergs, it actually isnt optimal when in a scenario
I'm really sad that Warhammer hasn't gotten better treatment in the MMORPG market. If I ever get into the industry, if I ever have the power to make a Warhammer MMO worth playing. I will.
Justin Bieber's penis is the size of the dislike bar. In Soviet Russia, the ground falls on you. Chuck Norris is somehow related to this video. Rebecca Black sucks. Thumbs up if *insert obvious bullshit here*. My parents though I was watching porn. 310 views and thousands of likes!? *Insert the same thing as the top comment here.* press 12345678 or 9 and thumbs up. I hate ads. *Insert quote from the video here.* Cats somehow tie to this video.
I don't wanna be all hateful and hypocritical, since I actually enjoyed at least the first two Modern Warfares, and the original games. BUT
I do blame CoD and in extension Activision for pretty much everything that is wrong with current gen gaming. Annual game series releases is the worst thing. As good as AC and Uncharted might be, it's just not the same experience compared to something like Human Revolution or Skyrim which have been in development for so much longer.
I personally love this game, have been playing it since day 1 of beta. TB just sounds like a crying child to me. Just whinging about retarded stuff.
vertualol 6 days ago
@vertualol I don't like him however in this case he is goddam right!
5 minimalistic abilities, next to no survivability abilities (and the 2 or 3 heroes that have them are OP: Nethys and Bax, what a coincidence :O ), next to no movement abilities, no CC, no targeted healing to prevent one key ally to die. You being worthless alone if you don't have 5 other people next to you and having to rely on them having a brain. You can BARELY make a difference by yourself. Zergs everywhere!
BeastSoulEyes 5 days ago
@vertualol this game has nothing to it, it's boring
FiloJacobbb 17 hours ago in playlist Season 10
Game's deceptively deep. You can't rambo your way around, and you won't be successful unless you apply yourself to the role you've chosen. You absolutely have giant, glaring weaknesses and if you don't get somebody of the right class to help you out, you're doomed.
It's no surprise the average gamer doesn't like it, you have to rub two brain cells together and it can hurt when you're not used to it.
Verdandeify 6 days ago
@Verdandeify Yes, because being skilled is definitively having to rely on other people and being useless if the right person is not there?
If you think this game requires brain cells you obviously haven't played a real competitive game. I would suggest Street Fighter 4 IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT COMPETITION IS REALLY ABOUT!
BeastSoulEyes 5 days ago
I think you are just butthurt for getting killed so much, seriously it really sounds like it. Everyone has a chance to win without playing 24/7, finally the hardcore nubs will eat it. finally the casual has a chance. It takes just as much skill in this game, as it does in WoW and WaR, i played them all. You are sooo butthurt you are getting pwned ^^
MrTirien 1 week ago
@MrTirien You summarized very well the problem of this game.
They are trying to appeal to people like you. You obviously have no clue what being skilled is really about. I could bet my life's worth that you never achieved anything PvP-wise in WoW or else you would know how bad the PvP in this game is.
And before you ask, I was a Challenger in WoW, far from Gladiator but I bet a 1000 times better than you I bet :)!
BeastSoulEyes 5 days ago
@BeastSoulEyes And nobody in the entire world cares.
1stKimozabi 1 day ago
Why do we play FPS games, all you do is kill someone or get killed, but what's the point? Why do we play RPG games? We pretend to be someone we're not, we do alot of stuff like i skyrim or Mass Effect, but what's the point? The point in games is to have fun, and win (If you care about that). This looks friendly, casual and easy to use, it's heaven for someone who can't sit 24/7, and i will for sure play it :).
MrTirien 1 week ago
@MrTirien I will also play this game because 1st: I like Warhammer and 2nd: I dont wanna spend all my freetime on farming and buying good gear 3rd: I have tried the beta and I think it seems fun :)
WhatUsernameMayIHave 1 day ago
I feel really stupid... When he said it was by batteries fall over I believed him. >_< STUPID ME!
CptOfTheWizardPatrol 1 week ago
is this running off the age of reckoning engine?
SomeDude1403 1 week ago
Looks boring
zusuky21 1 week ago
what I heard from that guy in the video were only bad comments
I mean the game is still in development they can still implement levels, dodge and such later on
CrashT65 2 weeks ago
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he talks faster than omer omg
go search MMOHut videos o.o
CrashT65 2 weeks ago
Way to give first impressions on beta gameplay lmfao, you just lost all credibility with me for all the vids i have watched from you on past games. I will not view your future ones as you have compared WoW to be a better game and yet you have described "WoW to a T" in the manner of which this game has been reviewed. I have been playing this "beta", key word, since beta1 and it is now on 5 with alot of added balancing, customization and overall fun. Gratz on grading a BETA...
crazytisthat 2 weeks ago
@crazytisthat Oh no, because you are so IMPORTANT! and because it's a beta he is supposed to not say any thing.
I am right now in the Tribes BETA and it has issues, but it is FUN!,
Now i have not tried this game because i used to play Warhammer Online as part of a RvR guild on Karak Azgel in Europe so i have no interest.
They are trying to make a moba game with no skill shots or proper tactics from the looks of it.
It looks like Scenarios from WAR with fewer skills and less HP and that's IT!.
Waage83 2 weeks ago
@crazytisthat In a beta you can see the general idea of the gameplay, to fix the issues this game has it would need a complete overhaul. Use logic instead of raging like a wild monkey.
InnerSentry 2 weeks ago
@crazytisthat lol? this game is HORRIBLE
titusdrakemovies 1 week ago
Looks really terrible.
mitre991 3 weeks ago
Umm.. everything you said in this video describes world of warcraft.
1Razerkey 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
WHYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! YYY! WIE! UIE! WAI! HAAAA-WHY!!!!!
Games Workshop, you were on such a good track with games like DoW:DC and even DoW2 started out good but you have truly allowed some fucking awful games to be made when you actually have one of the most in depth worlds to let dev's play with. WTF ARE YOU DOING? SM was decent but lacking, Retribution was a fucking sham. This looks guff. WH-O looks shit. Firewarrior? ohboy! SotHR! FFS, get your farkin act together Games Workshop!!!!!!
AnaLoGMunKy 1 month ago
@AnaLoGMunKy WH-O was amazing, the only problem was they dropped the ball by not enforcing a mechanic to keep server balance so everyone got tired of being facerolled by a 3-1 pop ratio on most servers (since it relied so heavily on pvp). That said "if" they had incorporated some sort of pop balance the game would have been nigh perfect.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
@DarkBunnyLord
I would love to have even given it a try but sadly Im of the ilk that refuses to spend cash on a subscription to a game esp one that didnt really look like an awsome warhammer world. I reserve judgement as I said it looks bad, but as you said, it could have been good.
AnaLoGMunKy 1 month ago
@AnaLoGMunKy Meh, I don't mind paying monthly for a decent mmo, after all servers, mods and devs adding things on aren't really free and peer to peer would be a nightmare. The gameplay was pve was good, the pvp was awesome, and the flavor was awesome, very few balance issues it was just the numbers, shame really.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@DarkBunnyLord
Shame is a nice way of putting it. When I heard there was gonna be a WH MMO I was creaming myself. But... I was still skeptical because I know that most dev's dont have the balls or knowledge or passion to really make the game that Warhammer deserves (and also, I wanted a WH:40k MMO, was never into the WHFantasy world as much for actual playing on TT or Computer)
But still, if I was gonna pay for an MMO it would have been a WH one.
AnaLoGMunKy 4 weeks ago
@AnaLoGMunKy You mean like this? /watch?v=hHu4Na0lsd0
=D
DarkBunnyLord 4 weeks ago
@DarkBunnyLord
Well yes, yes it does :)
That looks like an MMO using the SM:40k engine. If thats the case then for the first time in my life, I might actually buy a game subscription.
AnaLoGMunKy 4 weeks ago
@AnaLoGMunKy Not sure if it's using the same engine, I know I saw back at 2010 E3 but there where no booths for it at the 2011 (only the Space Marine one, which was awesome and looked like a giant drop pod haha).
They might have had a showing for some of it in one of the press pass places but I'm not certain, my pass only covered the two main floors not the media stuff up top.
DarkBunnyLord 4 weeks ago
@DarkBunnyLord
Well I can but hope, my main gripe with SM was that it wasnt open enuf, meaning you were trapped mostly in very linear levels. An MMO would instantly solve that. The did get the scale and feel of SM just right and there were some epik moments.
Thanks for linking that vid on DMOnline, that and Diable 3 are my two eagerly awaited games now :)
AnaLoGMunKy 4 weeks ago
@AnaLoGMunKy Yeah it was a bit linear but shooters usually have to be as big open worlds don't tend to work well with the game play type (ie running into streams and mobs of enemies). An MMO would work but fps and 3ps haven't managed to really pull off an open exploring type of game play yet that I'm aware of (the closest would arguable be something like Grand Theft or Saints Row, but thematically they rely on a lot more than what a setting like SM could use).
DarkBunnyLord 4 weeks ago
got into beta today and its pretty bland, they need some major overhauls or they should just trash it.
16typesadventures 1 month ago
To be honest... This game is boring. I'm in the beta and the auto lock on is annoying as hell. Can't quit games. The tactics option has been removed. Its just a giant cluster fuck. And it's dull. Your upgrading is that you can select 3 masteries which don't change much. +1 second on an AOE skill... Amazing... Why they even thought of this game when Warhammer Online is holding on by a thread is beyond me. To be honest with this and Space Marine... I don't want to touch a warhammer game now...
Rousskin 1 month ago
@Rousskin Space Marine was awesome o.O, short sure but what shooter isn't now adays
DarkBunnyLord 4 weeks ago
looks dull to me :/
frostvr 1 month ago
666?
SafeBck 1 month ago
>Not liking 3 teams.
>Not understanding 3 teams.
The best PVP MMO's of all time have 3 teams because it's the best for balance. Any MMO PVP game that is decent has 3+ sides.
KironVB 1 month ago
who the hell cares? same way 2v2 or 3v3 or 1v1 makes a difference in a game? When you just think 5v5 and that hero balancing will depending on the dynamic between the solo lanes and junglers and what have you. How the heck is 6v6v6 going to work out? On that note yeah probably a poorly thought out gimmick trying to set itself out from the other dota games,
darknessofkrish 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
ZZzzZZzzZzzz
everendinghappiness 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
This REALLY looks like one of those games that has a lot of potential, adds on old stuff, but has some mechanics that really just aren't a good idea. If there was some actual aiming to it, some customization (ie; an item system maybe, some sort of character customization) and just... a tps mmoba seems VERY interesting to me! I'd love to try something like this if there was a bit more to it...
PsychoStreakBrony 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
Thoroughly "meh".
coldbeerproductions 1 month ago
Cod of arena games...
stexes007 1 month ago
Wtf is minecraft. Lol I post mineraft videos
Tsnuamiman 1 month ago
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DestinPs 1 month ago
halibut has taken a rust.
Citzen92 1 month ago
"Can I stop playing now?" All I needed to know about this game.
MsGodlessHeathen 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
wtf is this xD
they waste their time to design 3d game with no actual "complexed strategy" built in :)
too bad could be much cooler game :)
i'll just w8 for guild wars 2 and blizzard dota thank u for the aweosome review :)
yago20072007 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
@yago20072007 they didn't design that, its just the same engine, skills, classes and stuff as warhammer online: age of reckoning^^
Yaenu1093 1 month ago
@Yaenu1093 ye i saw this one warhammer online: age of reckoning looked much better than this.
didnt knew it's the same engine, but hey eldar scrolls is running on the same old engine..
but again, i play league of legends sometimes..and it's much better than this :)
yago20072007 1 month ago
@Yaenu1093 You've never played WAR Online I see. This looks nothing like it, same models and similar arena's perhaps, pathetically fewer abilities, no gear options, no tactic options (slotted things), and so on and so forth. It's more like they took WAR Online, dumbed down the shit out of it, took away 90% of the options you have in combat, and made it a game.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@DarkBunnyLord still it LOOKS like war, tard
Yaenu1093 4 weeks ago
@Yaenu1093 Yeah because the models being used with different rigs, different programing, different gameplay is totally the same thing as the online game right? Might not want to call people tard when no one would have called you out if you had simply said it "looks" like the WAR Online models instead of ignorantly asserting that it was the same engine, skills, classes, hur dur dipshit.
DarkBunnyLord 4 weeks ago
@DarkBunnyLord tldr
ur a nolifer though : /
Yaenu1093 4 weeks ago
@Yaenu1093 You can't read a short paragraph? That's fairly pathetic.
DarkBunnyLord 4 weeks ago
Im gay in you guys
9938gangsta 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
"how bad mmo combat really is when you take the mmo elements out of it" so guild wars 2 is making way better combat
btw was in the beta of w:woh and the only thing i could say after 2 matches was this sucks...
hylke45 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
20:01 to 20:18
Hey TB :) What do you think of the game so far?
Well good sir, looks like you got your answer
Albus43 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
Sorry to say but this game is terrible theres no real plot at all, its simply hack and slash (boring)
MultiAnimefan91 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
I'm gonna try this out (mostly due to Age of Reckoning-fanboyism) though i agree that further improvment is needed. I am extremly casual, so the mindless combat is more up my ally than for say, LoL, but the simplicity of the game is just terrible. The best part of the game was by far castle sieging, and that is what should be included in all-pvp game, like it should have 2 'modes' one siege (2v2) and one like the one in this video, that would satisfy more people enough to actually get it.
TsubasaNoYami 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
From someone that plays Warhammer Online and has played this game.
This review is justified. This game really dumbs down the experience compared to the actual game. WAR does have a lot of "RNG" in it, but the amount of skills you have in it and the amount of customization makes it better.
But, I argue the game engine looking like crap. WAR is a few years old, so it can't be helped.
I think they should use the same concept as WAR Scenarios and have 2 teams. That is what the PvP was designed for.
LtJuno 1 month ago
Why must a game require "skill" to be enjoyable? After all, it's just a "game" which is supposed to be "fun".. isn't it?
Listening to the community is like running a democracy - you'll never please everyone. The developers should get back to making "their" game the way "they" foresee it and whoever it happens to appeal to, let them enjoy it.
Sorry TB, love most your vids, and please keep it up, but calling a "game" dumb because it doesn't require too much skill is in itself a dumb thing to say
bludshedx 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
they didn't listen to the community, maybe they're trying to justify this recycling of their MMO that flopped because they released it half-assed like its the communities idea, but the WARs community did not want THIS.
VoidWeapon 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
roll face on keyboard. better play sona.
SVX348 2 months ago
So, a Warhammer version of DnD 4.0?
FraggingBard 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
This sounded promising, to bad it's not ;(.
Goldor2005 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
the only reason to buy thins imo is if your into warhammer.... and that isnt that mutch of an incentive
simonezzmann 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
this should be a psp game u know? 4 buttons and yeah i think it would be sucessfula s an handheld u know? take with u to kill time
commanderchewbacca2 2 months ago
This is really disappointing because the PvP aspect of Warhammer Online was really really good. What a waste.
hughjarse1337 2 months ago
I'm not a skilled player. I suck at games. Horribly. CoD and stuff like this is fun for me, it's flashy and it gives me stuff. That's all I need. I don't want to play with skillful people, I know that I'll just get killed over and over again. If you want skillful play, go back to your Quakes or whatever, or find one today that does require it. This seems fun to me.
Antiunfunktasticize 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
The gameplay looks like Bloodline Champions just less exciting.
cleverusername6 2 months ago
Having played the Beta myself since the first iteration I can personally agree with a lot of what he is saying, there isn't much skill required to play the characters, however personally I am not going to write this game off just yet as there is still plenty of potential for their new Mastery System that launched in Beta 4.
UnholyMouse61 2 months ago
I'll be honest, it looks kind of boring, I do tend to like games that require some skill... If I wanted to button mash, I would play a fighting game with a beer in hand.
3 teams doesn't sound so bad, but the auto hits probably wrecks the whole thing. If you would make it require more skill shots, give teams 'personalities', orc, elf and human team for example and give ethem characters that are the same but in the team's flavour. It might work.
Not my favourite genre though. I prefer Strategy.
Cotronia 2 months ago
Damn shame that they let the Original WaR to a slow death, it had Real potential and had awsome pvp AND pve (but nobody did it)... now its just a pvp farming game
MONGONYMOUS 2 months ago
Whenever TB dislikes a game his reviews become very degrading overall. Suddenly every feature he encounters is "bad" in some way. Like others have said it is very unprofessional.
Si0nic 2 months ago
@Si0nic it may be very unprofessional, even though this is his opinion. these wtf are not to get you to buy the game, but instead to show you different games and how they work. if wtf help you get the game thats great, but if not watch it to enjoy it. if it doesent help dont get angry about it. and if you dont go watch something else of his. he uses constructive critiscism, not trolling the game.
FTWsilverwolfgames 2 months ago
@Si0nic You are obviously not capable of looking at it objectively, if you were you'd see that he doesn't suddenly see things as bad when he dislikes a game. He dislikes a game because he see bad features. Huge difference kiddo, and that is professional.
Anon32645 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
@Si0nic Also, TB has never done a review in his youtube life. Pay some attention kiddo, these are first impressions videos.
Anon32645 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
@Si0nic thats why hes called "cynical brit" dude..
Yaenu1093 1 month ago
It is a bad game, but don't agree with the bashing on the 3 team scenario.
Jamesns 2 months ago
I love that right at the end of the video, someone in the game chat asks what they think of the game so far. lol.
mikelong1994 2 months ago
ok, so someone on his team is called codex. Oh, like in the guild. Codex is his team's healer. That's funny, codex is a healer. Wait, he plays as Felicia to start. and she's a magic user? Massive coincidence ftw?
thebobsterjones 2 months ago in playlist Season 10 21
Felicia is a magic user and has red hair? um...reference?
thebobsterjones 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
@thebobsterjones and one of his team is called Codex? This is becoming a mass of coincidence....
thebobsterjones 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
the only game ive found where auto-aim is actually usefull and nesessary. its DC universe. it just fits well...
gusty009 2 months ago
Ugh i wish the old mythic crew would just get together and just totally redo and remake DAoC...no dumbing down anything, just back to the old ways of Open world PVP/RVR....none of this stupid crap they are doing now...but i know that will never happen.
ckooken 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
This game just looks like a button bashy cluster-fuck, Don't think I'll get it.
Cassiniiii 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
i sent them the request. so i just wait now?
CoDiFiY 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
I got Warhammer Online not long after launch and I was excited - a Warhammer MMO!
I played it for a while and I loved it, I loved it so much I could forgive how rushed it felt. Gradually however I had to leave as I could ignore these shortcomings no more but I returned last summer and a lot of content was gone or simplified.
Now we are left with an over simplified button bashing Arena with nothing but premades and set skillsets.
Absolutely depressing as I adore Warhammer but I can dream...
Carcharoth0 2 months ago
hey british guy chill man, it is still only a beta so of course changes will be made. and by the way didnt you see the store? well progression is coming my friend since you can earn gold and spend it to buy heroes and such, like in lol. by the way skill.. in lol? bitch please have you ever been 2 shotted by a lux because she got fed, because your mid player sucked so hard freddie mercury facepalmed?
productions12 2 months ago
@productions12 rofl, this games idea of skillful gameplay is boring button mashing, I believe you are talking about pubs in LoL.
FiloJacobbb 2 months ago
3 sides is Mythic bring back the magic of there other game Dark Age of Camelot.
jackpipsam 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I blame COD! lol
DeathMaster436 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TotalHalibut
lol with the orc he was just spining in circle and pressing one key
setsuo33 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TotalHalibut
So I don't... Get this? Is it just WAR pvp with worse graphics and less skills AND a worse interface? wtf?
unholyfreak911 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TotalHalibut
Wrath of Heroes confirmed for being the Superman 64 of MMOs.
HarharHagrid 2 months ago
It's funny because an arena based action game called bloodline champions is the complete polar opposite to this because it is all skillshots! Also it's a shame the warhammer ip gets wasted for such a mindless crappy game because really that the game can rely on a warhammer fans interest to pick up the game and be instantly dissapointed because fluff is shit on and there is nothing to interest you.
NairdaAU 2 months ago
sigh......... I hope they improve this... I love DOTA and I love LoL but my true love is the warhammer franchise, tabletop etc. A legitimate MOBA Warhammer game would be great. DID THEY EVEN TRY?
VascusGaming 2 months ago
Tried beta and uninstalled after 20min. Really bad, over-simplistic game. PvP in WAR Online was much, much better.
UltimateUniverse 2 months ago
just got into beta patching right now=)i cant wait to see if its such a big peace of shit as TB says
Badazz618 2 months ago in playlist Season 10
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R.I.P
John "Total Biscuit" Bain
16/12/11
You will be missed.
Mewkip 2 months ago
They should just make WAR F2P
AsAboveSoBelow01 2 months ago
At least it's better than LoL, HoN and Dota2.
GetOutOfHereCreeper 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@GetOutOfHereCreeper It doesn't look more fun mate :P
superghost6 2 months ago
@superghost6
Video games aren't about fun. They're about making retards on the other side of the planet feel inadequate.
GetOutOfHereCreeper 2 months ago
@GetOutOfHereCreeper To me it's about fun, I find challenging games fun. Simply locking on to a target spamming your rotation of spells is not what i find challenging. But to say: This is better than HoN LoL and DotA2 is entirely subjective, and I do not think people will generally agree with you on that view of things.
superghost6 2 months ago
TB, Buddy i love ya man but seriously...
You're complaining about the lack of skill in the game yet your team is getting crushed in each game. There are objectives within the maps, maybe try and work together and win a game? Maybe the game isn't about individual skill and more about Team skill, executing objectives, reacting to the other teams strategy?
Minmataro718 2 months ago 2
@Minmataro718 He counters that argument in the video bud. He says something like "Why would any real team play this?" and he's got a point..
MarkD87dk 2 months ago
i remember the secnd map ... back then when it was just released i wet my pants when i first time experienced the ORVR siege of a Ork Barracks ... it was epic ... most ppl cant even imagine how awesome the game was...but lags or empty servers and no patches ruined it... :( still have 2 untouched copys of the game but just dont want to reinstall, because i fear it is going 2 dissapoint me big time, would like 2 keep the memories of the OLD WAR
theJGR 2 months ago
It reminds me more of WoW PvP than a MobA.
chook151 2 months ago
Please everybody, don't play this game. It's obvious EA is just trying to keep Warhammer games alive in some shitty way. This game is absolutely nothing like Warhammer. I want massive pvp with hundreds per side. Oh wait, we had that...but EA took a huge shit on it and pulled this game from the pile. I love warhammer, and I will never play this.
Necronlord101 2 months ago
@Necronlord101 give Warhammer online script to a bunch of russian coder kids who love Fantasyhammer and ull get a better game than ea wouldve done it with all theyr money... too bad u cant openly mod a MMORPG :/ .. meh waiting for Dark Millenium ... hope they pull this off good... atleast they can spell Warhammer *hope*
theJGR 2 months ago
O.o wow.... he made that game seem TERRIBLE!
AwsomeSauceBigJ 2 months ago
This game is a disgrace to the name of Warhammer.
JamesDunn641 2 months ago
Funny thing is that there is nothing good to say about this game.
xSynergized 2 months ago
Dear god this game looks like shit by all standards.
OrdoMallius 2 months ago 2
Gosh, you can be such an asshole.
And no, I'm not butthurt fanboy because I didn't even hear of this game until now, and I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize, but god damn you aren't using any respect here. It's one thing to criticize, it's another to be a complete troll. I don't care if this is you're shtick, if being cynical is your moniker, you portray yourself as a professional then act to the contrary. There is something disgraceful in this video and its how you have just showed yourself
theworstfish 2 months ago
@theworstfish Came across as professional to me, he justified everything he said, gave relevant comparisons to back up his claims. Professionals are allowed to use words other than 'bad' to describe a bad game, a developers feelings shouldn't be hurt if they see this because it is constructive, he has said where they went wrong and why in his opinion. A troll would simply get a thesaurus and list every synonym of bad then end the video.
Rhaegarion 2 months ago 34
@theworstfish
Gosh, you can be such an asshole. No, I'm not a butthurt fanboy because I rarely watch TB videos. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize, but you aren't showing any respect here. It's one thing to criticize but another to be a complete troll. I don't care if this is your shtick, being cynical is your moniker, you portray yourself as a reasonable youtube user, then act to the contrary. There is something disgraceful in this reply and its how you have shown yourself.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago 9
@AntitheistPOV Good job? I mean, what have you done by saying that. Bad troll is bad
theworstfish 2 months ago
@theworstfish
Clearly I'm a troll because I used exactly the same stupid logic you used to criticize someone for stating an opinion.
Apparently your logic is fine when applied to other people, but not to yourself.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV Calling my logic stupid and childishly using it against me doesn't prove any point, it's just an aggression.
theworstfish 2 months ago
@theworstfish
Either I'm not a troll and my comment was accurate or I am a troll and your logic was stupid. There are only two options.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV your right he has not given us any info on the game we dont all want to play skillful intense games and yea he is an asshole
AgonarGaming 1 month ago in playlist Season 10
Geez, TB, you're kind of a conspiracy guy, aren't ya?
theworstfish 2 months ago
Don't think anyone has faith that the developers will listen to players and fix the issues with this game.....
PhantaJisto 2 months ago
yah.. the game was too weird. I wouldnt play this game even for free, played it for about 30mins and i tought how this game needs no brain.
kurkkutus 2 months ago
List of improvements this beta needs:
-Everything everyone in the comments mentioned
-And Sarus Scar Veteran to beat up then eat all the other heroes
That is all...
Kaisnan 2 months ago
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Someone please start a petition and show it to Bioware to remove auto-targeting, and make spells and melee aim-based, like Mortal Online, Bloodline Champions, LOCO, etc. Just look at most F2P games since they all have aim-based combat. It was only designed because of the times of a 56k modem and having bad latency, so it was a way to actually connect hits, but companies still use the idea, even though we don't need it anymore. They still go that route, and the skill-based gameplay goes away.
thauller 2 months ago
After this i played 6 hours of WoW :D
Joknbo 2 months ago
Wtf... I love warhammer.. I can't watch this it just makes me sad.. *Walks off *
lachie19940 2 months ago
It's not that EA hates f2p, it's EA hates intelligence. All their games are dummied down to nothing. Basically their PvP version of rubberbanding street racing games instead of requiring some bit of skill.
12tman12 2 months ago
Why dont they make warhammer online f2p?
That game was allot of fun.
RuleBlader 2 months ago
@RuleBlader I think the general consensus is that EA HATES f2p
pudgeypigeon 2 months ago
warhammer online had quite fun pvp, this looks absolute shit
starwarriorman 2 months ago
is there any proof of evidence that WoH is a...game?
HardmoodVonSockewitz 2 months ago
Codex..? WAS HE PLAYING WITH FELICIA DAY!? ;o
PostmanPatsFather 2 months ago
wow, this is even crappier then war was
TheDarkknifez 2 months ago
wtf no red team?
Xanowen 2 months ago
If you think that he is giving the game a bad rep, just listen to what he says after your blind rage about him goes away. Most of what he says is actually true. The auto-targeting is the worst idea ever thought of. It was only designed because of the times with a 56k modem and having bad latency, so it was a way to actually connect hits, but since companies still use the idea, even though we don't need it anymore, they still go that route and the skill based gameplay just goes away.
thauller 2 months ago 39
@thauller "We designed a really good, skillfull, tactical game here. Because they didnt!"
Hes VERY MUCH bashing the game, and anyone can see why, the graphics are poor, the gameplays bad, 3 teams? what? No other game has 3 teams, leage of legends would be hilarity on a stick 5 V 5 V 5.
MyMusicIsEpic 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TotalHalibut
It sounds like the game would be fun for a round or two, then it would get incredibly boring.
titangladiator36 2 months ago 2
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how much did you get paid to thrash this game? lawl.
Dreaded41 2 months ago
i hope it gets better. list of improvments. 1.acctual aiming. 2.ingame store. 3.variable team sizes. 4. your own character. after all of these have been added this may acctualy be a good game.
lotsodakka 2 months ago
is it free?
fortin22210 2 months ago
@fortin22210 yeah but it a closed beta
itztehendd 2 months ago
This looks like a serious case of missed opportunity
MrRayken15 2 months ago
i really dont mind the idea of multi team.. but it doesnt really matter in this game because teamwork doesnt really matter
f0rgotteng0st 2 months ago
:/ was totally thinking it was warhammer 40k universe and looking for space marines and orks and shit
f0rgotteng0st 2 months ago
666 lol
ShirosakiX 2 months ago
Warhammer Online had potential, this looks like garbage though.
theamazingnerd 2 months ago
why this reminds me to World of Warcraft? really, compare the grafics...
Zangrieffl 2 months ago
WTF is that font?
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ResurgamZerg 2 months ago
Im starting a game development company called "Batteries Fall Over"
BagHeadReject 2 months ago
Sad to see such a good IP get butchered again. I wish they could stick to the Lore a lot more I think that would be a lot more beneficial to everyone and its not like the Warhammer doesn't have enough different characters in it.
TheThorbob380 2 months ago
The clue is "BioWare"... EA have killed them.
TheRealBarnez 2 months ago
They got it all wrong, you dont need 3 sides within such limited playercount, you need 3 sides when its open world pvp, to avoid zergs, it actually isnt optimal when in a scenario
Woth3n 2 months ago
I'm really sad that Warhammer hasn't gotten better treatment in the MMORPG market. If I ever get into the industry, if I ever have the power to make a Warhammer MMO worth playing. I will.
Sherwinnicus 2 months ago
They should have spent whatever money they wasted on this on carrying over Warhammer Online into a F2P version =/
Akeche 2 months ago
jesse and yogscast in related videos :)
DestructiveFlames 2 months ago
well if u want some games that require skill go play HoN or Dota... not LoL
call me a hater idc thats just my Opinion and i give a shit about ur Hate G_G
Quiksoap 2 months ago
As said already, 6v6v6 just simply doesn't work as 2 teams will just focus on the weakest team.
Max27588 2 months ago
6v6v6 never works because 1 team could just sit it out till one is weakened easy win
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666Shinedown 2 months ago
tb's comment at 17:00 was so hilarious
pittkyon 2 months ago
10:00
You know what?
I don't wanna be all hateful and hypocritical, since I actually enjoyed at least the first two Modern Warfares, and the original games. BUT
I do blame CoD and in extension Activision for pretty much everything that is wrong with current gen gaming. Annual game series releases is the worst thing. As good as AC and Uncharted might be, it's just not the same experience compared to something like Human Revolution or Skyrim which have been in development for so much longer.
ObiMace 2 months ago
*Cough* Beta is beta *Cough*