Still Veto!!! About your lies about your propaganda. You have nothink to do with our history And our Kultur your Name is vardarska And your history is slavik like your Language
Never??? I think you should grab a map of Greece and see what is Macedonia - a region of Greece.
The real Macedonia already belongs to the real Macedonians. Skopje belongs to the Yugoslav world, thus it cannot adopt a Hellenic name.
If you are Slavs, you cannot be Macedonians. If you are Bulgarians, you cannot be Macedonians. If you are Albanians, you cannot be Macedonians. If you are Greeks, you have a chance of being lucky enough to be born Macedonians.
@shockolanu : and if you are greek then you should shut up, pay your debts and get the fuck out of the EU! you greeks betrayed whole Europe! you are blackmailer, lazy bastards and completey bankrupt and depending on german money! and to make it even worse - you bankrupt assholes blackmail this poor small nation of Macedonia! greek motherfuckers! you have nothing common with ancient greek, genetically seen you are turks!
No my dear, I am not turkish, I am Greek and one very special kind of Greek - Makedone. You on the other hand are part of a country that was split up by foreign powers.
You are part of the Slavic world, not of the Hellenic world. Yugoslavs cannot be Macedonians, because Macedonians are Hellenic people. Betraying your origins will not make you Makedones!
Greece will not pay it's debt. They will declare it an "illegal debt" or "odious debt" and they will cancel it.
I am as you said a bulgarian savage, we do not hate any of you ( my grand grand mother was greek or as you would say makedonian, from doxatos) we conquered that land more than thousand years ago and took the best of all populations of the region, you are right about the beginning - it didnt belong to us but things changed and we changed too - as you see now you are romanian citizen but still makedonian in your heart
Let me explain to you something. If you are Bulgarian from Greece, you are most probably descendant of the Bulgarians that were made nobles by the Macedonian Emperor Basil II, whom defeated Samuil. He was kind enough not to kick out the Bulgarian nobles, but gave them titles and they even had a word to say in Constantinople.
I am Vlaho-Macedonian (Graeco-Roman). I cannot accept FYROM and/or Bulgaria to make silly claims.
dear shockolanu, we dont claim anything, basil didnt see things your way, he knew very well that the byzantian empire wouldnt be able to keep its western borders without the bulgarians and by giving them a word to say in constantinople he realised that in future a big part of the west and north slavs would speek and pray in bulgarian orthodox churches. we were beaten only by the muslims and catholics afterwards but still kept the old empire alife
Dear tmajna, Basil II could have easily erased ALL Bulgarians from the face of this planet. He didn't do that out of kindness, not of politics or fear of Bulgarians.
He gave the Bulgarians a word in Constantinople, because they too belonged to the Byzantine Empire, until they proved that they are a liability and parted from the Empire.
and since you mention the artificial and brand new state of romania, i am very surprised about kaloyan being romanian - did he return from the future??
hm yes romania might consist of walachians - an old tribe, but before the turks i dont remember a country called romania, and we achieved our independance last because our territory is the only one of strategic importance at the balkans and was therefore most heavily defended by the turkish. anyway things are fine as they are, i am happy we are free and able to hopefully keep our country out of the german british and everybody elses hands
@shockolanu : yes, i already told you that you are a turkish "greek"! you have nothing in common with ancient greeks. genetically you are turkish! watch you black,asian turkish face. after 600 years serving as turkish sex slaves you became turks . greeks are turkish slaves! where is the problem?
Hey piece of shit, how about you stop oppressing the Istro Romanians? How about you stop trying to steal Nicolae Tesla from the Rumanians? Fuck you, thieves. You know about Greeks? You don't know even about yourselves. I don't claim to be Ancient Greek, because we are living in today's world, Serb.
But what are you? You are Hungarians and you do not have the right to autonomy, you belong to the Hungarians, because that's what you are...
@tatamata991 it is not Greeks who decide to receive all that money,but the motherfuckers that control the whole world! What about you? are you one of them or some rich bitch,you f@ckin animal???
Sag mal du Schlaumeier seit wann gibt es euch? Es war bis vor paar Jahren yougoslavien!!was habt ihr mit Alexandros o megas zu tun??nix!!eure lugen stinken bis zum Himmel die Tatsache das einige länder euch mit unseren Namen anneekannt haben ist finanziel gerichtet und politisch motiviert.ihr habt ABSOLUT nichts mit unser geschichte zu tun allein das Wort makedonas ist alt griechisch ihr empfinde es als die schlimmste luge Der letzte 1000
@shockolanu I do it pro bono,you do it for cash,or either you are a really confused cat that needs to be entertained....Whatever you are,you should reconsider,before you let your hands touch something that its not yours...As for your tito theories,you can freely take him and shove it in your ass...after Macedonia's neighbours,tito is the second one that harmed her the most...
Prove that you are doing it pro bono and I'm doing it for cash.
I will not reconsider anything, because I am only touching what is mine. You are trying to steal our name, our history and our heritage. During the Byzantine Empire, the Makedones gave the Byzantine Empire a beautiful dynasty of Emperors. They were not Sklaveni, like you.
If Tito did harm to South Yugoslavia, why are you continuing to push his propaganda and his lies? You are not Hellenic. You are not Makedones!
not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31.
It was a common practice in ancient times to take slaves after winning battles. Hellenic people were taken into slavery by other Hellenic people rather often. See about the wars that were fought in Greece long before Macedon attacked Thebes.
Actually, many Athenians were friendly towards Macedon, that is why Demosthenes was exiled by the Athenians.
Look up hegemony in a dictionary, I'm not your teacher.
@shockolanu My point is that he made big diffrence between Macedonians,and Greeks...Novelist or historitian,doesn't matter...Ancient is ancient,and it was spoken for the diffrences...
I have tried to research the background of this Karagatsis and I could only find scattered information. He was a Greek man, whom used to write only novels. None of his works is considered to be a historic writing.
Let's see what the ancient Makedones said:
Karanus was a descendant of Herakles (Greek hero)
Koinos is Greek name = Common
Perdiccas - "Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks..." (Herodotus)
@shockolanu Oh,you idiot..Do you even read my comments carefully?Or you just stick your propagandistic materials to the videos?Read them again,then after that again...When you have a normal reply i shall reply to that normal reply...And please stop twisting my comments...Read them carefully,and analyze them carefully..
@shockolanu You read and responded with famous tactic of "greek" propagandists=twisting and taking out of context//
1.Nonsence
2.1913 was made the pussiest agreement that made a country that is gold,to be partitioned from her dick licking neighbours...You know very well everything,but you have to do this,you are payed...Otherwise it would be psychopatic to do it without getting cash...
3.Soviets told you that?xD
4.- 450.000 Macedonian refugees from Aegean wouldn't agree with you...
Actually, I've seen your side employing the tactic of taking only some things out of context, such as Demosthenes' guotes.
1. Much sense.
2. 1913 - you never fought against Turks. Aegean Macedonians fought along their Greek brothers. You never fought against Bulgaria, who wanted to take your lands, the fighting for your lands was done by Greece Serbia and Romania. Maybe I'm psychopathic.
3. History tells me that.
4. 450 000 GREEK refugees forced to change their names
Please, compare the case of Rep. Moldova & Moldova region of Romania VS case of Rep. Macedonia & Macedonia region of Greece (Both communist inventions).
1. Romanians consider Moldavians their brothers and vice-versa.
2. Moldavians speak ROMANIAN.
3. Both sides want to be united.
4. Rep. Moldova never tried to steal the history of Romania.
@shockolanu What can i say to you when you are payed to do confusion?I have seen your resime,and i know from where you scooping false and fabricated information...But keep on eating the shit,as for us the real Makedons,this way or that way,we shall keep on rising...
And tell your "graeco" makedonas,that they were invented in 1992,and they have repeated lies too much,so that made them think that their stories are true...They are thiefs.
Once Philip said,"salsobogasu",we Makedons,we are salsoboga!
I'm not paid at all. I think I already touched that subject. I don't think you've seen anything and I don't scoop anything, I was already taught what I know, in school, here in Bucharest Romania. We were not touched by Greek or Titoist propaganda.
Keep on rising, I'm glad for you, but leave our name, history and culture alone. No normal Greek from Aegean will say he's Macedonian. But all Macedonians from Aegean will say they are Greeks.
@shockolanu The Macedonians have grown into a proud MASTERFULL NATION,which with HIGHLY DEVELOPED NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS looked down upon the Hellenes with contempt...
The Macedonians you refer to are actually 25% Albanians, 25% Greek refugees from the Civil War, 25% Bulgarian Muslims (Pomaks) and 25% Sklaveni (South Serbs).
It is an illusion to think that a novelist can be a historian.
Everything is against you. If you have such a great desire to be Macedonians, join Greece and be part of the region called Macedonia.
The old region will be called Macedonia Prima and your region (Paeonia or Vardar) will be called Macedonia Salutaris.
@shockolanu The Macedonians i refer to,are 100% Macedons and their tollerancy is about to be over...
Novelist?I am not sure...Let's just say greek writer,that said it is an illusion to think that Macedonians are greeks....And stop twisiting this part,it doesn't matter what he was,point is that,the dude was from ancient times and he did not wrote that without a reason....
Only "greek" propagandists are against me,rest of the world is superbly great with me,and regards me with respect...
The Macedonians you refer to are 25% Albanians, 33% Islamists (Slavic Muslims = Pomaks), 25% or more Greek refugees.
OK, writer, novelist... same thing. It is an illusion to think that Greeks exist. The name comes from one VERY small tribe of Hellenic people. Athenians, Spartans, Epirotes, Thessalians and Macedonians were not Greeks. ALL of them were HELLENIC people.
Only "Greek" propagandists and the international community of historians whom petition your government daily.
@shockolanu No,the Macedonians i refer to are 83% of the whole population in Macedonia...What you refer to are small minorities,and you are showing your mind false statistics,and you know very well that in 2002 there was falsification,and european commision didn't approved 25%,but the Ohrid agreement states that there must be 25% so we can keep peace in the land...There is no way,not even close to 25% shiptars...
@shockolanu 33% islamists?Where did you read that on some tatarstan wikipedia?-.-
Let's clear things now...There is islam in Macedonia,nobody can deny that,but 33% islam is pure nonsence...And stop saying it like someone wants that here,it is by the will of the eu union...You think that we like mosques,and other shit here?Europe is pulling the ropes,and our politicians are just puppets...Europe came out with design called "multicultural society in Macedonia" after 2001...
@shockolanu And this radical islamists should consern you too,because it is predicted for the whole european union and the balkans to be islamized...Before 2001 there was barely about 120.000 shiptars in Macedonia,and not more then 30 mosques...After 2001,shiptars falsified everything with help of eu,and more then 600 mosques illegaly rise up...Nobody likes that here,but if we go "contra",it would be bad for the country in the eu eyes.. -.-
@shockolanu Just look at the serbs on kosovo...Do you see how islam and shiptars took kosovo?With the power of the big powers..Because they are slaves to the big powers,that's why they get everything...Talking about serbia,which is bigger and stronger country then Macedonia...About the pomaks....They count about 5000,only in small villages in west Macedonia...And they are proud Makedons,unlike the shiptars and other minorities that are neither loyal,neither do something for this land...
@shockolanu Since we talk about the population...You should know that in the past years,there was assimilations made,esspecialy with Macedonian people in Pirin Macedonia and Aegean Macedonia...Also you should consider that Macedonia has big diaspora that counts about 2.500.000 Macedonians around the world,if not even more...
@shockolanu Those 2.500.000,plus us here about 1.800.000,plus the assimilated Makedons in Pirin and Aegean..You do the count...And these are all people with same religion,same culture,same language,same folklore,same identity...It is absurd for you to say such nonsence and keep on insulting me and my masses...The only stealers of name,history and land are the modern athenians,bugars,serbs and shiptars..And nobody else...
@shockolanu Doesn't matter dude...What matters is that there was diffrence that Karagatsis made,and Macedonians in ancient times were refered as separate people and land...You don't even know what hellene means...
Historitians like Hammond,who was tutored by his pedobear greek teachers?Historitians that got they books about "greek" Macedonian history,right after Macedonia got its independence????1993/4/5.....NON SENCE!
@shockolanu Desire to be what i was born to be?Wtf?
I was borned Macedonian,i will die Macedonian..My children will be born Macedonian,they shall die Macedonian...My mother Macedonian,my father Macedonian,my grandmother and grandfather Macedonian,my great grandfather and grandmother Macedonian,my great great great grandfather and grandmother Macedonian etc great 3000X times,All Macedonian....
Dear Macedonian, please tell me your name. Maybe I am wrong and you in particular are a Macedonian. But do not forget about 25% Albanians, 33% Pomaks and 25% Greek refugees (some of them even from Athens, not just the Aegean).
@shockolanu And you?The fuck are you?What about the "greek" makedonas?Apffff...illusion...I mean they are propagandists,there is no such thing as "greek" "makedonas"...I can bet,when we go to Aegean Macedonia,we meet people that are forced to speak modern "greek" language from the athenians...There is nothing odd here...There only live Makedons,no "greek" makedonas....I am interested,why there are two Macedonian villages written on the greek parlaiment building?Petsovo and Banitsa?WHYYY????
I am Vlaho-Macedonian, like Manaki brothers and my father's name is Meltiades, like one of the brothers. As you might know, it is an ancient Hellenic name, coming from one of the 10 Strategos of ancient times.
You are wrong. The Makedones from Aegean consider themselves Greeks. Some of them speak Aromanian language among themselves. I see you've adopted it as your official language too... learn the customs too.
@shockolanu Do you know that biggest population of vlahs is situated in Macedonia?All Vlahs are proud to be Makedon Vlahs here..They have the sun of kutlesh as they(Bajrak) on they weddings,and they sing songs that i understand but not completely..They do not tollerate "greek" agression against us and them...Vlahs are not recognized in greece,because of the "greek" homogenius society...
@shockolanu As i said before...Alot of assimilating was done..Your father name is Meltiades,my friends fatheres name is Stoanidis(renamed from Stojanoski)...He has finished univeristy,he lives in greece and he cannot get a job,just because he is Makedon...They say to him fige skopiano,and it is clear that the dude has no connection with skopje..He was born and raised in Solun...But propaganda states:you have to say slavoiskopianoi to Makedons...
@shockolanu Also,slaviansm could be the biggest enemy of Macedonians....Slaviansm,hellenism,all those are not reflecting the soul of the society..So what you state is pure nonsence....
Slavism is your biggest enemy and Tito did a lot of damage. You are doing even more damage by not admitting that Tito brainwashed you. You are descendants of Rumanians, inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire. You refuse to be part of Greece, even if that would give you the chance to rule the country. You refuse to admit that you have been forcefully Slavonised by Tito and you refuse to admit that you have huge gaps in your history because of what the Soviets did.
@shockolanu Oh really?You was not bored to write more then 23 huge comments in reply,but when i asked one question that would automatically fuck you up,you got bored?hahahaha,oh men you so screwed.... -.-
You won't answer that question,because you don't know what to think of anymore...You have spent all your lies and fabricated documents...You are nothing but a def bitch dude..Go listen to your masters "greeks",the ones that did genocide on the vlahs too...Stupid idiot.. -.-
Really. What was that question? I will answer it.
The Greeks are not my masters, but they do show the respect they should. I'm not aware of any genocide on Vlahs by the Greeks. None the less, if it's true, most probably happened during the German monarchy of Greece. Even it is true, I do not blame Hellenism, nor will I deny the Hellenism of Macedonians.
@shockolanu Really.Why there are Macedonian villages written on greek parlaiment building?
And yes greeks are your masters...When genocide was done on Macedonians,in that group there were vlah makedons too...Hellenism is exactly what you need to blame..Makedons are not servants,they are unique and they share nothing with nobody...They are not hellenes nor greeks...And you,calling yourself greek Makedonas,makes you nothin but a greek servant,and a ass licker if we can bring it that way...
Answer: Because the lands of Ancient Paeonia and Medieval Vardar, belonged to the Byzantine Empire (Greece).
I have Greek friends, not masters. I am well aware that Germans whom controlled Greece, tried everything they could to break the unity between Greeks. Just like Tito did. As you might know, Vlahs are the descendants of the Latinised populations of the Byzantine Empire. Also, they produced a dynasty (Macedonian). I will not refute Hellenism.
I did not asked you,where the names drag roots from...I asked you,why those names are on the greek parlaiment building,and they are as the original...With the changing of the names of the villages,they were renamed to vevi and the other i cant remember...Why there is the originals on the parlaiment building?That just shows that there was Aegean Macedonia-non greek,that was taken in 1913....
@shockolanu The lands didn't belonged to greece..And again i ask you,why they are on the parlaiment building in they original Macedonian names,and not the renamed ones?I asked few modern "greeks",they all answer diffrent..Your answer is by far,the funniest...
The lands belong to Greece today but you, the Yugoslavs are occupying the territory of Greeks. We will push you back to Serbia, to Bulgaria and to Albania. After that, the Makedones will live in their own lands.
Actually my grandparents came from Aegean Macedonia and their ancestors fought in the Balkan Wars, side by side with the Greeks. Also, the Vlachs fought against Turks in the Greek War of Independence. Unfortunately, they could not liberate Macedonia in the War of Independence, so they did it in the Balkan Wars. Further more, you should know whom fought so that the Bulgars will not annex your lands to their country: Greeks, Romanians and Serbs.
@shockolanu Hahahaha,how "ironic"?You call it Aegean Macedonia.... xDDD Well now i am so satisfied..SO SO SO SATISFIED!! :D
You admited your hellenisation,the hellenisation that is keeping you apart from your real motherland of Macedons-MACEDONIA!Wake up!If you are true Makedon,you won't be a greek servant!
It is Aegean Macedonia. Your lands are Vardar Macedonia. Both belong to Greece and they will take their property back. They kicked out the Turks, it is time for Slavs, Bulgars and Albanians to go to their homelands.
Aegean comes from Aigai (Vergina), city-state of Karanus.
Vardar comes from the name of the river, in Magyar language. Vardariotes were the Magyar invaders whom settled in Paeonia.
Pirin comes from Perun - Slavic deity. The name was attributed to the area during the Slavic invasions. It has no connection with anything... Macedonians are not Slavs, they are Greeks.
I don't contest your ancestry, I contest your culture and denial of your own place in history.
You're crazy dude... You pretend to be something you never were. You are Slavic people with Slavic culture whom claim a Hellenic name and descend = liars. Sons of Magyars, Albanians, Bulgars and Serbs. Pomaks in disguise!
@shockolanu Ok,you are provoking me with this lame shit again..I am tired to write same stuff thousand times...I will tell you again, "salsobogasu"...You can kill me and my masses,but you will never kill the truth...Stop stealing what my grandparents left me,and get a life you miserable stupid hellenized vlahoslavoturko whatever you are! -.-
@shockolanu It was metaphorically said...Stop doing what you do,shove your tito in your ass,and have a trip across the world,you might change for a change... -.-
Makedon
A=A
Macedonia=Macedonia
Payed propagandist putting efforts to confuse illeterate idiots...
Oh, i cannot be joyful when I see your idiotic mistakes (this is just the one you've admitted). I feel sad, because you claim to be a Macedonian (intelligent persons with true knowledge), yet you are an idiot... You bring shame to the name.
Please, do the research and see what contained the history books of your country (the ones destroyed by the 2nd Ukrainian Front of the Soviet Army). You can still get your history back, even if Soviets destroyed the books containing it...
@shockolanu I said it was a typing mistake shit,what the fuck are you trying to do with all this shit again,repating it like a motherfucking parrot and shit... -.-
Repetition is the mother of learning. Maybe you'll finally learn.
You researched wrong. The term Greek comes from one very small ancient Hellenic tribe. Today's Greeks are Ellines. This term represents all "Greeks" even if they are from Crete, refugees from Asia Minor, Makedones, Thessalians, Sarakatsanes, etc. You should know that the Macedonian Empire was called Hellenic and it spread Hellenism far and wide.
Slavism is a non-Hellenic culture. Slavs have their own culture.
@shockolanu But by researching,i ment i asked "greek" youtubers,and they answered me...Makedons are not hellenes nor greeks,there was forced hellenization,assimilation and tottal confusion done in Aegean and Pirin Macedonia.Slavism is not a hellenic culture,Macedonians had they own culture,not slavism not hellenism,but in later times it was labeled slavism(same with the old) or hellenism.NOT!..Ancient slavians,Eneti,Pelazgi..Those are from Macedonia,before greeks or anyone came to balkans...
My dear boy, you are very confused and truth is being hidden from you. I would really like to educate you on this subject, so that you will not make a fool of yourself anymore.
Makedones, were Hellenic people. A mix between Thracians (Ionians) whom migrated around 2000 BC from Asia Minor to the Balkans, and the Hellenic people called Dorians (descendants of Herakles).
True, Slavs do not belong to the Hellenic culture, Macedonians have Hellenic culture until today.
You say that Macedonians had their own culture, but in fact the wrote with Greek alphabet, in Greek Dorian dialect (the lingua franca of ancient Greece), they worshipped the Hellenic deities and they had Hellenic names. Alexander is Ionian name.
You mention the Pelasgians, but in fact, they were recorded as Hellenic people, originating from Crete, where they neighboured the Dorians, just like in the Balkans.
Actually, Greeks came to the Balkans in 2000 BC, forming the Thracians.
@shockolanu I have found this "greek" geographical atlas form 1977..There is no Macedonia in greece,but everything is "ellada",and Macedonia is just Macedonia,Macedonians are Macedonians,and Macedonian language is Macedonian language...Hahahaha..."greek" Macedonia,since 1992 xDDDD
I don't know about the Greek geographical atlas from 1977 but my relatives visited the Macedonians from Greece in the 70's. The people that they found there still spoke the old language (Aromanian) and they still had the old customs. The provinces of Greece exist for a long time.
You cannot understand that I desire unity with Greece because it still bares Hellenic culture. Not only this, but the most Makedones live in Greece.
@shockolanu No no no,i don't care about you assimilated relatives..I speak about a atlas from 1977,i will show it to you if you want..Don't try to put this to shadow,because it is most definetly a document that proofs non greeknes of Makedonija...You can desire whatever you want,greece may bare whatever culture she wants...Macedonia is not greece,aegean is under occupation,and if you was real Makedon,you should've realised,that there live Makedons that have hard times...
You call my relatives assimilated, but I'm sure you've never even visited Macedonia (the genuine one). There, you will not find a normal Greek to call himself a Macedonian, but all Macedonians call themselves Elines.
Yes, I know... Greek Macedonia was called North Greece or Aegean. That was adopted because Tito started to brainwash the people of Paeonia or Vardar.
The fact that your country is Non-Hellenic doesn't need any proof, your culture speaks for itself. It is Serbian.
You tell me what Hellenism is. You are the one who brought up the subject of ethnography.
Do the research and you'll find that you cannot be Macedonians without being Hellenic.
I have nothing against Slavic people and I respect most of them. I cannot respect you, because you have a non-Hellenic culture, yet you claim a Hellenic name.
You belonged to the Byzantine Empire, not the other way around. Your region was called Macedonia Salutaris only by foreigners (Romans).
@shockolanu So tell me,do the modern "greeks" have hellen culture,or greek culture?Because as far as i researched,hellene and greek is not same.Again i shall say that Slavism is not a ethnic designation,but a culture...As like the russians,the poles,the ukrainians accepted Slavism and not Hellenism..And other 750 million people around the world...Eh,they didn't liked the egocentric arrogant bullshit hellenism,so they blocked it...
Actually, the Byzantine Macedonians Cyril and Methodius did not spread Slavism, they invented the Cyrillic alphabet for the Slavs and Bulgars to use, in order to civilize them and later to give them the Orthodox religion.
The Greek historians never stated that Slav culture comes from nothing... maybe that's what they teach you in school. In the Balkans (South Slavs) invaded and they were called Sklaveni. You should know that the Byzantine Empire protected them from Bulgars...
@shockolanu You can go against me,but you cannot go against 750 million people..Cyril and Methodi"us",are hellenized in this modern historical times...It is not matter if someone "invaded",it matters who carried the holy name Macedonia through the centuries,it was most certainly not the so called "Greeks"...Even if we are mixed with "slavs",NOT!,it doesn't matter...Ancients were not greeks,and that is so simple....Macedonians spoke language that no one could understand,but we the descedants do..
I can go against you and I can go against the entire planet, because I have truth on my side. It is a good shield and sword.
Cyril and Methodius were Greeks from Thessaloniki. They were Christians when the Slavs arrived and they took the job of educating the barbaric Slavs and Bulgars. They created an alphabet especially for the Slavs to use, in order to pass to the Christianity. If they were Slavic people, how could they have been Christians, when all Slavs had pagan religion?
Actually, the archaeological finds present the Macedonian language as the Dorian dialect of Hellenic language. The script they used was Hellenic alphabet. Whereas the Paeonians did not have an alphabet.
We can find accounts by contemporary historians that tell us very clearly: Macedon was a Hellenic Kingdom, Macedonian Kings claimed to be Hellenes and Macedon protected Ellada from the Illyrian invasion for countless centuries.
I'd be amazed if you'll understand the Pella Curse.
@shockolanu Before 1992 the word Macedonia in greece was forbiden to even think about it..But after Macedonia got independence,the modern "greeks" scared of the reality,they got their assimilations in completely other directions...
How would you know what happened before 1991 on this planet? You were under the Communist regime and you were properly brainwashed by titoistic propaganda.
No normal Greek will say he's a Makedone but all Makedones will tell you that they are Greeks.
You are pathetic people whom have no culture, no history and no future. Accept that you belong to Greece as Sklaveni and Vardariotes. If you have other cultural traits, you will be treated as such...
@shockolanu I was born in 1993...I have never experienced communist regime,tough my family did,and most certainly they do not want it..AT ALL!
Because in yugoslavia,if you said that Macedonia needs to be united,they take you to "goli otok" and fuck you up on the border,then make it like a scene:"he tried to escape,so we shot him on the border while he was tryin to escape"...Why are you so obssesed with comunism?Are you a commie?You sure are,because you are atheist,and antigod...yep... -.-
If you are born in '93, you are 10 years younger than I am. You still have a lot to live and a lot to learn. In time, you will realize that what you learned in school is propaganda meant to keep your country from uniting with Greece.
If you guys dislike communism, why do you employ the titoistic propaganda? We can find you a very good place in history and you will not have to force yourself in the history books.
What you said is just one very small part of what Yugoslavia did!
@shockolanu I never learnd shit in school..All this shit i know,is from my family and my family's archives...Uniting the natural Macedonia is what i try to accomplish,not union with greece...There is a old one,it says,don't have a greek friend,but don't have a greek enemy neither!Because greeks play a dirty game,and with dirty playing they achieve they "victories"...Wow,im starting to think that you might be a bulgar...Only bulgar would write that shit you did....
If you didn't learn this in school and you've learned it from your family, most probably they were brainwashed too.
You will not be able to unite Aegean with Vardar, because the people from Aegean (and I spoke with many Makedones) do not consider you their kin. If you desire unity with the Aegean region, you will have to unite with Greece. You are 2 million people of which 25% Albanians and many descendants of 500 000 Greek refugees from the Civil War. But you deny this.
It is funny how you call me a Bulgar. I'm not... I am Vlaho-Macedonian and my grandparents came to Romania from Veria and Vergina. We come from the heart of Macedon, not from Paeonia or Vardar. The Vlachs or Rumanians are the descendants of the Byzantine Empire and you can research about the Macedonian Dynasty, it was also of Vlahic descend (So says Anna Comemna daughter of Emperors).
I will not go with any sins to the Heaven's Gate, but you will for calling me Bulgar.
Well then, you must have something to be proud of... maybe what the Comitadji did to the entire balkanic population... killing them for not declaring themselves Bulgarians...
Everyone around here dislikes Bulgarians. You were savages on your arrival and you didn't change too much since you came here.
@shockolanu Comitadji??? to the ENTIRE balkan population????? I guess you are one of those brainwashed FYROMIANS. I will tell you that every nation around us are thievs. Is that something to be proud of? Tricking a nation and stealing its land; turning its people against it. That's what the Serbs did. Not to talk about the Greeks
When have Bulgarians been savages?? Let me remind you that medieval Bulgaria was the center of Slavonic culture,the Bulgarian church rivaled the byzantine by supremacy
Maybe one day you will realize that in all regions of the Balkans inhabited by Makedones, propaganda is conducted so that we will never be united.
You should know that Greece is represented as the enemy in your country, while in Greece you are represented as the bad guys. There are external powers that do not want to see the Balkans united. I consider that only Greece has the right to unify the Balkans.
P.S. I'm not atheist, nor anti God. May God open your eyes to see the truth.
@shockolanu Don't speak of "we" my friend...We are not you,we are not servants of the filthy hellens,we do not die for some egocentric dirty helene ideals...We are Makedons from Makedonija,and you better remember us like that,if you don't want to go with a sin to god's gate...Since you are not a atheist anymore...
@shockolanu I know how greece is represented in my country..Represented as the south neighbour that tries to "invest" alot in Macedonia...How are we represented in greece?Well i don't really care,but i do care if they lie to my brethren and sistren from Aegean,and brainwash them with fabricated documents and lame propagandistic materials...Yes,nwo doesn't want to see the balkan united,and most certainly if it comes to uniting,greece would have same rights like all countries on the balkan..
Nobody lies to the Macedonians of Greece. They are being taught the truth and let me tell you the truth.
Always, from ancient times until today, you were invaded, subdued, crushed, defeated and destroyed by barbaric people. If you would have been the famed Macedonians, you would have fought your own wars against the Turks. You let the Greeks, Romanians, Serbs and Bulgars to do the fighting for you. You are not worthy of the name, you don't know how to fight for freedom.
Last but certainly not least: You were occupied by Serbia from 1913 until 1991, while the people from Aegean were free. You should know that they had a huge struggle in the Greek Independence War and they fought against Turks, by joining the Greek army. It is true, they failed to liberate Macedonia at that time, but later, the Greeks did not forget about the huge help they had from us, so they fought for our freedom.
Greece has the superiority in the Balkans, you don't.
@shockolanu Modern "greeks",soros and the left(gay)oriented european union are promoting communism in my country,with they creation,the party that is anti-human:Sdu..Social democratic union,which is financed from "greeks",and runs more medium tools like:a1,alfa,telma,some "izmekjari",etc...
You will never understand how this problem was made so deep from the modern "greeks",because you take they side,and that taking of sides will leave you in handicap,sooner or later..
Even if I took the side of Greece, which is only normal, I consider that you are the ones with the handicap. You have been forcefully Slavonised during the Yugoslav occupation.
@shockolanu It is not normal to take a side,with a country that was invented so it can satisfy the hungry romantistic european needs...Again you can consider whatever you want,it is your right...Tough you have no rights to insult me..No one has been forcefully slavonised during yugoslav occupation...
But ey,you wrote EVEN IF I TOOK...On which side are you fellow moldovian? :)
@shockolanu You are what we say here "izmekjar",you are not "salsoboga",and you have nothing to do with macedonian masses nation and lands...So calm your brains down,and find another subject that shall entertain your life...
Now go crawl infront of your tutors...Your daddies the ellines...
Both terms you mention sound Turkic. I don't know what their meanings.
I don't need to calm down, I'm calm anyway. The ancient Macedonian Kings claimed to be Greeks. The Medieval Macedonian Emperors were Greeks too. Who do you think you are to re-write history or to go against the statements of people whom you claim descendent from? Do you think you are big enough to contradict Alexander the Great? I think not!
@shockolanu Terms do not sound turkic,they sound Macedonian...
No Macedonians claimed to be greeks...That would made them servants to the greedy hellens..what the fuck are you talking about?I am nobody to re-write history,but i am somebody that is getting the facts out,for the world to see...Alexander is a persona,Macedonia is not...Macedonia is older then alexander...A persona can like alot of things..Alexander was made god in egypt right?India?Around the world...He was everywhere..Cosmopolitan
Alexander the Great claimed he was Greek. Also Alexander I was allowed to participate in the Olympic games, after proving that he was of Greek descend.
What facts are you getting out? Talk about the Greeks whom are forbidden by your government to research their ancestry. Talk about the people your gov is putting in mental hospitals and in prison for advocating the Hellenism of Macedonia.
Yeah dude, tell the world how if you research your ancestry you are put in prison. In Yugoslavia you are not allowed to say you are Greek. You can only be Macedonian.
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MrSelman111 2 weeks ago
Still Veto!!! About your lies about your propaganda. You have nothink to do with our history And our Kultur your Name is vardarska And your history is slavik like your Language
ellasgiapanta 4 weeks ago
dear shokolanu, you know - we will be back
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
And who you might be?
shockolanu 1 month ago
Macedonia never Greek !!!
MACEDONIA TO MACEDONIANS !!!
Denis931007 1 month ago
@Denis931007
Never??? I think you should grab a map of Greece and see what is Macedonia - a region of Greece.
The real Macedonia already belongs to the real Macedonians. Skopje belongs to the Yugoslav world, thus it cannot adopt a Hellenic name.
If you are Slavs, you cannot be Macedonians. If you are Bulgarians, you cannot be Macedonians. If you are Albanians, you cannot be Macedonians. If you are Greeks, you have a chance of being lucky enough to be born Macedonians.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu : and if you are greek then you should shut up, pay your debts and get the fuck out of the EU! you greeks betrayed whole Europe! you are blackmailer, lazy bastards and completey bankrupt and depending on german money! and to make it even worse - you bankrupt assholes blackmail this poor small nation of Macedonia! greek motherfuckers! you have nothing common with ancient greek, genetically seen you are turks!
tatamata991 1 month ago
@tatamata991
1. I am Romanian citizen.
2. I have Macedonian origins.
3. The Macedonians of Greece are the only Macedonian entity on this planet.
4. You should go fuck yourself, starving Serb.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu : you are a turkish piece of shit. pay yout debts, asshole!
tatamata991 1 month ago
@tatamata991
No my dear, I am not turkish, I am Greek and one very special kind of Greek - Makedone. You on the other hand are part of a country that was split up by foreign powers.
You are part of the Slavic world, not of the Hellenic world. Yugoslavs cannot be Macedonians, because Macedonians are Hellenic people. Betraying your origins will not make you Makedones!
Greece will not pay it's debt. They will declare it an "illegal debt" or "odious debt" and they will cancel it.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu@shockolanu
I am as you said a bulgarian savage, we do not hate any of you ( my grand grand mother was greek or as you would say makedonian, from doxatos) we conquered that land more than thousand years ago and took the best of all populations of the region, you are right about the beginning - it didnt belong to us but things changed and we changed too - as you see now you are romanian citizen but still makedonian in your heart
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
Yes, people with Bulgarian blood are savages.
Let me explain to you something. If you are Bulgarian from Greece, you are most probably descendant of the Bulgarians that were made nobles by the Macedonian Emperor Basil II, whom defeated Samuil. He was kind enough not to kick out the Bulgarian nobles, but gave them titles and they even had a word to say in Constantinople.
I am Vlaho-Macedonian (Graeco-Roman). I cannot accept FYROM and/or Bulgaria to make silly claims.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu
dear shockolanu, we dont claim anything, basil didnt see things your way, he knew very well that the byzantian empire wouldnt be able to keep its western borders without the bulgarians and by giving them a word to say in constantinople he realised that in future a big part of the west and north slavs would speek and pray in bulgarian orthodox churches. we were beaten only by the muslims and catholics afterwards but still kept the old empire alife
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
Dear tmajna, Basil II could have easily erased ALL Bulgarians from the face of this planet. He didn't do that out of kindness, not of politics or fear of Bulgarians.
He gave the Bulgarians a word in Constantinople, because they too belonged to the Byzantine Empire, until they proved that they are a liability and parted from the Empire.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu
and the french opinion of our region is for shit anyway, long live king kaloyan who kicked their arses out of the orthodox land
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
Ionita Caloian? That one is Romanian, son of Petru. He is not Bulgarian.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu
and since you mention the artificial and brand new state of romania, i am very surprised about kaloyan being romanian - did he return from the future??
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
If you want to get into it, he was of Wallachian origins = Romanian.
And how is Romania a brand new state? We achieved independence from the Turks one year before Vulgaria did. HAHAHAHA!
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu
hm yes romania might consist of walachians - an old tribe, but before the turks i dont remember a country called romania, and we achieved our independance last because our territory is the only one of strategic importance at the balkans and was therefore most heavily defended by the turkish. anyway things are fine as they are, i am happy we are free and able to hopefully keep our country out of the german british and everybody elses hands
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
Look for the name of the Byzantine Empire.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu maybe, only if you accept that the so called latin is west greek
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
Actually it's Eastern Greek, but it's a long story and I really don't have the time.
Romans came from Troy. Trojans were Ionian Greeks from Asia Minor. END OF STORY.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu
your problem and of some other guys in the chat is that you separate from each other and loose, we always united and won!
tmajna 1 month ago
@tmajna
I cannot contradict you on the last statement.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu : yes, i already told you that you are a turkish "greek"! you have nothing in common with ancient greeks. genetically you are turkish! watch you black,asian turkish face. after 600 years serving as turkish sex slaves you became turks . greeks are turkish slaves! where is the problem?
tatamata991 1 month ago
@tatamata991
Hey piece of shit, how about you stop oppressing the Istro Romanians? How about you stop trying to steal Nicolae Tesla from the Rumanians? Fuck you, thieves. You know about Greeks? You don't know even about yourselves. I don't claim to be Ancient Greek, because we are living in today's world, Serb.
But what are you? You are Hungarians and you do not have the right to autonomy, you belong to the Hungarians, because that's what you are...
shockolanu 1 month ago
@tatamata991
so is every dark guy turkish, where did you learn that
tmajna 1 month ago
@shockolanu and of course you will have to sell your islands on ebay to somehow pay back your debts. you bankrupt gypsie turkish slaves aka "greeks"
tatamata991 1 month ago
@tatamata991
Actually, from what I know, Greeks received
120 000 000 000 Euros two years ago.
180 000 000 000 Euros last year.
180 000 000 000 Euros will be this year again.
So, how can you call Greeks bankrupt when they are absorbing so much money from the IMF and European Bank?
Greeks are the spoiled kids of Europe and when Europe will stop bribing Greece, the Greeks will cancel their debt because it is ILLEGAL.
But you Hungarian-Slavs, are too stupid to think in perspective.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@tatamata991 it is not Greeks who decide to receive all that money,but the motherfuckers that control the whole world! What about you? are you one of them or some rich bitch,you f@ckin animal???
smashd0wnauthorities 1 month ago
@shockolanu : i am not Maceodinan. you god damn turkish Motherfucker!
tatamata991 1 month ago
Sag mal du Schlaumeier seit wann gibt es euch? Es war bis vor paar Jahren yougoslavien!!was habt ihr mit Alexandros o megas zu tun??nix!!eure lugen stinken bis zum Himmel die Tatsache das einige länder euch mit unseren Namen anneekannt haben ist finanziel gerichtet und politisch motiviert.ihr habt ABSOLUT nichts mit unser geschichte zu tun allein das Wort makedonas ist alt griechisch ihr empfinde es als die schlimmste luge Der letzte 1000
ellasgiapanta 1 month ago
@ellasgiapanta Was labersch du -.-''
0o0BlueBirdzAngry0o0 1 month ago
Mazedonien is not GREEK!
evetorres19 2 months ago
@evetorres19
not more!!!
evetorres19 2 months ago
In Turkey is the streets damaged.And houses also damaged.Turkey`s traffic is crazy.In Turkey drive by car is a diseaster.
Devranderya 3 months ago
makedonia is greek!!!
Panosdaplaya 3 months ago
Bad info !
LYUDCOLEGA 4 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Macedonia is an ancient region of Greece, you can go there to visit the sights.
FYROM's names:
Ancient - Paeonia
Medieval - Vardar
Modern - Vardar
Contemporary - FYROM
shockolanu 5 months ago
@shockolanu I am getting tired seeing you in every video...It is so obvious that your pockets are getting fat from this....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Good, I'm tired of you trying to steal my name, by employing poor Titoistic propaganda.
I'm doing it "pro bono publico".
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I do it pro bono,you do it for cash,or either you are a really confused cat that needs to be entertained....Whatever you are,you should reconsider,before you let your hands touch something that its not yours...As for your tito theories,you can freely take him and shove it in your ass...after Macedonia's neighbours,tito is the second one that harmed her the most...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Prove that you are doing it pro bono and I'm doing it for cash.
I will not reconsider anything, because I am only touching what is mine. You are trying to steal our name, our history and our heritage. During the Byzantine Empire, the Makedones gave the Byzantine Empire a beautiful dynasty of Emperors. They were not Sklaveni, like you.
If Tito did harm to South Yugoslavia, why are you continuing to push his propaganda and his lies? You are not Hellenic. You are not Makedones!
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Why would Demosthenes say this?
not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31.
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
We had the discussion about Demosthenes before. He used to call barbarians most of his political adversaries, even if they were Athenians.
Demosthenes tried to protect the Athenian democracy, while Philip II and Alexander were tyrants (Strategos Autokrator to be more exact).
How can a NON-Greek have the hegemony of the Hellenic League? Alexander claimed to descend from: Herakles, Achilles and Perseus.
Alexander captured Greek mercenaries fighting for Persia. He freed them all.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Where greeks buying greek slaves?
Demosthenes tried to protect his people from not beeing massacred from the Macedons Philip and Alexander...
Just to mention Chaeronea....
Explain me the meaning of hegemony....There was period of hellenization...I don't know why the Byzantine empire wasn't "hellenized".....
Persia was fighting against who,when he captured,then "freed" them all?
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
It was a common practice in ancient times to take slaves after winning battles. Hellenic people were taken into slavery by other Hellenic people rather often. See about the wars that were fought in Greece long before Macedon attacked Thebes.
Actually, many Athenians were friendly towards Macedon, that is why Demosthenes was exiled by the Athenians.
Look up hegemony in a dictionary, I'm not your teacher.
The Byzantine Empire was Graeco-Roman
Persia fought against Greece
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Does the name Michael Papadakis rings any bells to you?
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Perhaps the ancient Greek historitian Karagatsis...Does this rings any bells to your empty head?
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
No, none of the names ring any bells but as far as I've researched right now, Karagatsis was not a historian, he was a novelist.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu My point is that he made big diffrence between Macedonians,and Greeks...Novelist or historitian,doesn't matter...Ancient is ancient,and it was spoken for the diffrences...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I have tried to research the background of this Karagatsis and I could only find scattered information. He was a Greek man, whom used to write only novels. None of his works is considered to be a historic writing.
Let's see what the ancient Makedones said:
Karanus was a descendant of Herakles (Greek hero)
Koinos is Greek name = Common
Perdiccas - "Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks..." (Herodotus)
Alexander I proved he is Greek.
Alexander III proved he is Greek.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Oh,you idiot..Do you even read my comments carefully?Or you just stick your propagandistic materials to the videos?Read them again,then after that again...When you have a normal reply i shall reply to that normal reply...And please stop twisting my comments...Read them carefully,and analyze them carefully..
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I read and responded to each of your idiotic comments.
What you see here is just counter-propaganda.
If I'd would have used propaganda, I would have pointed out:
1. You were called only Macedonia Salutaris, by foreigners (Romans), not by Makedones.
2. After 1913, you were occupied by Serbia (Yugoslavia), Greek Makedonia was freed by Greeks, my great grandpa fought with them against Turks.
3. Soviets burned your history books.
4. You attacked Greece during the Civil War...
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu You read and responded with famous tactic of "greek" propagandists=twisting and taking out of context//
1.Nonsence
2.1913 was made the pussiest agreement that made a country that is gold,to be partitioned from her dick licking neighbours...You know very well everything,but you have to do this,you are payed...Otherwise it would be psychopatic to do it without getting cash...
3.Soviets told you that?xD
4.- 450.000 Macedonian refugees from Aegean wouldn't agree with you...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Actually, I've seen your side employing the tactic of taking only some things out of context, such as Demosthenes' guotes.
1. Much sense.
2. 1913 - you never fought against Turks. Aegean Macedonians fought along their Greek brothers. You never fought against Bulgaria, who wanted to take your lands, the fighting for your lands was done by Greece Serbia and Romania. Maybe I'm psychopathic.
3. History tells me that.
4. 450 000 GREEK refugees forced to change their names
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Food for the thought of your idiotic mind:
Please, compare the case of Rep. Moldova & Moldova region of Romania VS case of Rep. Macedonia & Macedonia region of Greece (Both communist inventions).
1. Romanians consider Moldavians their brothers and vice-versa.
2. Moldavians speak ROMANIAN.
3. Both sides want to be united.
4. Rep. Moldova never tried to steal the history of Romania.
5. Neither side has ever insulted the other side.
6. The Slavonization of Moldavians failed
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Now let's look at your case:
1. Makedones do not consider you their brothers.
2. You do not speak Greek or Macedo-Romanian.
3. You do not want to be united with Greece and with Greek Makedonia.
4. You try to steal the history of Greece.
5. You have insulted Makedones over and over again.
6. The Slavonization of the Greek refugees was a huge success.
These are just 6 aspects that are against you. I have many more.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu What can i say to you when you are payed to do confusion?I have seen your resime,and i know from where you scooping false and fabricated information...But keep on eating the shit,as for us the real Makedons,this way or that way,we shall keep on rising...
And tell your "graeco" makedonas,that they were invented in 1992,and they have repeated lies too much,so that made them think that their stories are true...They are thiefs.
Once Philip said,"salsobogasu",we Makedons,we are salsoboga!
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I'm not paid at all. I think I already touched that subject. I don't think you've seen anything and I don't scoop anything, I was already taught what I know, in school, here in Bucharest Romania. We were not touched by Greek or Titoist propaganda.
Keep on rising, I'm glad for you, but leave our name, history and culture alone. No normal Greek from Aegean will say he's Macedonian. But all Macedonians from Aegean will say they are Greeks.
25% Albanians of your country would differ
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu The Macedonians have grown into a proud MASTERFULL NATION,which with HIGHLY DEVELOPED NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS looked down upon the Hellenes with contempt...
Ulrich Wilcken
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
The Macedonians you refer to are actually 25% Albanians, 25% Greek refugees from the Civil War, 25% Bulgarian Muslims (Pomaks) and 25% Sklaveni (South Serbs).
It is an illusion to think that a novelist can be a historian.
Everything is against you. If you have such a great desire to be Macedonians, join Greece and be part of the region called Macedonia.
The old region will be called Macedonia Prima and your region (Paeonia or Vardar) will be called Macedonia Salutaris.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu The Macedonians i refer to,are 100% Macedons and their tollerancy is about to be over...
Novelist?I am not sure...Let's just say greek writer,that said it is an illusion to think that Macedonians are greeks....And stop twisiting this part,it doesn't matter what he was,point is that,the dude was from ancient times and he did not wrote that without a reason....
Only "greek" propagandists are against me,rest of the world is superbly great with me,and regards me with respect...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
The Macedonians you refer to are 25% Albanians, 33% Islamists (Slavic Muslims = Pomaks), 25% or more Greek refugees.
OK, writer, novelist... same thing. It is an illusion to think that Greeks exist. The name comes from one VERY small tribe of Hellenic people. Athenians, Spartans, Epirotes, Thessalians and Macedonians were not Greeks. ALL of them were HELLENIC people.
Only "Greek" propagandists and the international community of historians whom petition your government daily.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu No,the Macedonians i refer to are 83% of the whole population in Macedonia...What you refer to are small minorities,and you are showing your mind false statistics,and you know very well that in 2002 there was falsification,and european commision didn't approved 25%,but the Ohrid agreement states that there must be 25% so we can keep peace in the land...There is no way,not even close to 25% shiptars...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu 33% islamists?Where did you read that on some tatarstan wikipedia?-.-
Let's clear things now...There is islam in Macedonia,nobody can deny that,but 33% islam is pure nonsence...And stop saying it like someone wants that here,it is by the will of the eu union...You think that we like mosques,and other shit here?Europe is pulling the ropes,and our politicians are just puppets...Europe came out with design called "multicultural society in Macedonia" after 2001...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu And this radical islamists should consern you too,because it is predicted for the whole european union and the balkans to be islamized...Before 2001 there was barely about 120.000 shiptars in Macedonia,and not more then 30 mosques...After 2001,shiptars falsified everything with help of eu,and more then 600 mosques illegaly rise up...Nobody likes that here,but if we go "contra",it would be bad for the country in the eu eyes.. -.-
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Just look at the serbs on kosovo...Do you see how islam and shiptars took kosovo?With the power of the big powers..Because they are slaves to the big powers,that's why they get everything...Talking about serbia,which is bigger and stronger country then Macedonia...About the pomaks....They count about 5000,only in small villages in west Macedonia...And they are proud Makedons,unlike the shiptars and other minorities that are neither loyal,neither do something for this land...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Since we talk about the population...You should know that in the past years,there was assimilations made,esspecialy with Macedonian people in Pirin Macedonia and Aegean Macedonia...Also you should consider that Macedonia has big diaspora that counts about 2.500.000 Macedonians around the world,if not even more...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Those 2.500.000,plus us here about 1.800.000,plus the assimilated Makedons in Pirin and Aegean..You do the count...And these are all people with same religion,same culture,same language,same folklore,same identity...It is absurd for you to say such nonsence and keep on insulting me and my masses...The only stealers of name,history and land are the modern athenians,bugars,serbs and shiptars..And nobody else...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Doesn't matter dude...What matters is that there was diffrence that Karagatsis made,and Macedonians in ancient times were refered as separate people and land...You don't even know what hellene means...
Historitians like Hammond,who was tutored by his pedobear greek teachers?Historitians that got they books about "greek" Macedonian history,right after Macedonia got its independence????1993/4/5.....NON SENCE!
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Desire to be what i was born to be?Wtf?
I was borned Macedonian,i will die Macedonian..My children will be born Macedonian,they shall die Macedonian...My mother Macedonian,my father Macedonian,my grandmother and grandfather Macedonian,my great grandfather and grandmother Macedonian,my great great great grandfather and grandmother Macedonian etc great 3000X times,All Macedonian....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Dear Macedonian, please tell me your name. Maybe I am wrong and you in particular are a Macedonian. But do not forget about 25% Albanians, 33% Pomaks and 25% Greek refugees (some of them even from Athens, not just the Aegean).
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu And you?The fuck are you?What about the "greek" makedonas?Apffff...illusion...I mean they are propagandists,there is no such thing as "greek" "makedonas"...I can bet,when we go to Aegean Macedonia,we meet people that are forced to speak modern "greek" language from the athenians...There is nothing odd here...There only live Makedons,no "greek" makedonas....I am interested,why there are two Macedonian villages written on the greek parlaiment building?Petsovo and Banitsa?WHYYY????
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I am Vlaho-Macedonian, like Manaki brothers and my father's name is Meltiades, like one of the brothers. As you might know, it is an ancient Hellenic name, coming from one of the 10 Strategos of ancient times.
You are wrong. The Makedones from Aegean consider themselves Greeks. Some of them speak Aromanian language among themselves. I see you've adopted it as your official language too... learn the customs too.
Metsovo and Banista are Bulgarian names.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Do you know that biggest population of vlahs is situated in Macedonia?All Vlahs are proud to be Makedon Vlahs here..They have the sun of kutlesh as they(Bajrak) on they weddings,and they sing songs that i understand but not completely..They do not tollerate "greek" agression against us and them...Vlahs are not recognized in greece,because of the "greek" homogenius society...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu As i said before...Alot of assimilating was done..Your father name is Meltiades,my friends fatheres name is Stoanidis(renamed from Stojanoski)...He has finished univeristy,he lives in greece and he cannot get a job,just because he is Makedon...They say to him fige skopiano,and it is clear that the dude has no connection with skopje..He was born and raised in Solun...But propaganda states:you have to say slavoiskopianoi to Makedons...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Also,slaviansm could be the biggest enemy of Macedonians....Slaviansm,hellenism,all those are not reflecting the soul of the society..So what you state is pure nonsence....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Slavism is your biggest enemy and Tito did a lot of damage. You are doing even more damage by not admitting that Tito brainwashed you. You are descendants of Rumanians, inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire. You refuse to be part of Greece, even if that would give you the chance to rule the country. You refuse to admit that you have been forcefully Slavonised by Tito and you refuse to admit that you have huge gaps in your history because of what the Soviets did.
You are pathetic!!!
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu More then three times you have trapped yourself in your own lies...Read your comments carefully...More then THREE TIMES.......
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Sure, sure.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Yea,that's all you have to say after your defeat you def bitch...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
You have not defeated me, you haven't even won a battle... I'm just bored to speak with brainwashed people like you.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Oh really?You was not bored to write more then 23 huge comments in reply,but when i asked one question that would automatically fuck you up,you got bored?hahahaha,oh men you so screwed.... -.-
You won't answer that question,because you don't know what to think of anymore...You have spent all your lies and fabricated documents...You are nothing but a def bitch dude..Go listen to your masters "greeks",the ones that did genocide on the vlahs too...Stupid idiot.. -.-
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Really. What was that question? I will answer it.
The Greeks are not my masters, but they do show the respect they should. I'm not aware of any genocide on Vlahs by the Greeks. None the less, if it's true, most probably happened during the German monarchy of Greece. Even it is true, I do not blame Hellenism, nor will I deny the Hellenism of Macedonians.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Really.Why there are Macedonian villages written on greek parlaiment building?
And yes greeks are your masters...When genocide was done on Macedonians,in that group there were vlah makedons too...Hellenism is exactly what you need to blame..Makedons are not servants,they are unique and they share nothing with nobody...They are not hellenes nor greeks...And you,calling yourself greek Makedonas,makes you nothin but a greek servant,and a ass licker if we can bring it that way...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Ah, that was the question???
Answer: Because the lands of Ancient Paeonia and Medieval Vardar, belonged to the Byzantine Empire (Greece).
I have Greek friends, not masters. I am well aware that Germans whom controlled Greece, tried everything they could to break the unity between Greeks. Just like Tito did. As you might know, Vlahs are the descendants of the Latinised populations of the Byzantine Empire. Also, they produced a dynasty (Macedonian). I will not refute Hellenism.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Ah,you did not answered shit again..
I did not asked you,where the names drag roots from...I asked you,why those names are on the greek parlaiment building,and they are as the original...With the changing of the names of the villages,they were renamed to vevi and the other i cant remember...Why there is the originals on the parlaiment building?That just shows that there was Aegean Macedonia-non greek,that was taken in 1913....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I repeat the answer, in case you couldn't understand the first time. Your lands, including the cities, belong to the Greece.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu The lands didn't belonged to greece..And again i ask you,why they are on the parlaiment building in they original Macedonian names,and not the renamed ones?I asked few modern "greeks",they all answer diffrent..Your answer is by far,the funniest...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
The lands belong to Greece today but you, the Yugoslavs are occupying the territory of Greeks. We will push you back to Serbia, to Bulgaria and to Albania. After that, the Makedones will live in their own lands.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Actually my grandparents came from Aegean Macedonia and their ancestors fought in the Balkan Wars, side by side with the Greeks. Also, the Vlachs fought against Turks in the Greek War of Independence. Unfortunately, they could not liberate Macedonia in the War of Independence, so they did it in the Balkan Wars. Further more, you should know whom fought so that the Bulgars will not annex your lands to their country: Greeks, Romanians and Serbs.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu You are something quazi..product of hellenization.....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Hahahaha,how "ironic"?You call it Aegean Macedonia.... xDDD Well now i am so satisfied..SO SO SO SATISFIED!! :D
You admited your hellenisation,the hellenisation that is keeping you apart from your real motherland of Macedons-MACEDONIA!Wake up!If you are true Makedon,you won't be a greek servant!
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
It is Aegean Macedonia. Your lands are Vardar Macedonia. Both belong to Greece and they will take their property back. They kicked out the Turks, it is time for Slavs, Bulgars and Albanians to go to their homelands.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I tought aegean and vardar and pirin are not greek names :S
hahahahahha,you are so done!!!! xDDDD
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Hahahaa, idiot.
Aegean comes from Aigai (Vergina), city-state of Karanus.
Vardar comes from the name of the river, in Magyar language. Vardariotes were the Magyar invaders whom settled in Paeonia.
Pirin comes from Perun - Slavic deity. The name was attributed to the area during the Slavic invasions. It has no connection with anything... Macedonians are not Slavs, they are Greeks.
I don't contest your ancestry, I contest your culture and denial of your own place in history.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHA!!!!! xDDDDD
Dear lord,this is one hell of a idiot... xDDD
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Eh, that's what you Slavs say when you're left without arguments.
Macedonia is Greek
Paeonia belongs to Greece.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu yea yea...Whatever.. -.-
You already admited your helllenization,and you trapped yourself in your own lies more then 3 times...
So i am more then satisfied...My mission to bust the graecomans is done...
I am done with you....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
You're crazy dude... You pretend to be something you never were. You are Slavic people with Slavic culture whom claim a Hellenic name and descend = liars. Sons of Magyars, Albanians, Bulgars and Serbs. Pomaks in disguise!
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Ok,you are provoking me with this lame shit again..I am tired to write same stuff thousand times...I will tell you again, "salsobogasu"...You can kill me and my masses,but you will never kill the truth...Stop stealing what my grandparents left me,and get a life you miserable stupid hellenized vlahoslavoturko whatever you are! -.-
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
So I'm right... you are crazy! You think someone wants to kill you... clear case of paranoia.
Hahaha. Nobody left you anything. Oh sorry, except for Tito whom left you brainwashed.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu It was metaphorically said...Stop doing what you do,shove your tito in your ass,and have a trip across the world,you might change for a change... -.-
Makedon
A=A
Macedonia=Macedonia
Payed propagandist putting efforts to confuse illeterate idiots...
A=B
Macedonia=Greece
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
How can Macedonia be Slavic? Be serious.
Macedonia was is and always will be Hellenic.
Paeonia... that's always subject to change ever since the Illyrians enslaved Thracian tribes.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu You are mixing cultures with etnographical marking...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Ethnography is the study of cultures, idiotski. And it is a Greek term... :o) No wonder you can't understand what ethnographic means hahaha
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I have not typed that shit right...It is certainly my mistake,and a chance for you to be joyfull for a second...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Oh, i cannot be joyful when I see your idiotic mistakes (this is just the one you've admitted). I feel sad, because you claim to be a Macedonian (intelligent persons with true knowledge), yet you are an idiot... You bring shame to the name.
Please, do the research and see what contained the history books of your country (the ones destroyed by the 2nd Ukrainian Front of the Soviet Army). You can still get your history back, even if Soviets destroyed the books containing it...
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I said it was a typing mistake shit,what the fuck are you trying to do with all this shit again,repating it like a motherfucking parrot and shit... -.-
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Repetition is the mother of learning. Maybe you'll finally learn.
You researched wrong. The term Greek comes from one very small ancient Hellenic tribe. Today's Greeks are Ellines. This term represents all "Greeks" even if they are from Crete, refugees from Asia Minor, Makedones, Thessalians, Sarakatsanes, etc. You should know that the Macedonian Empire was called Hellenic and it spread Hellenism far and wide.
Slavism is a non-Hellenic culture. Slavs have their own culture.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu But by researching,i ment i asked "greek" youtubers,and they answered me...Makedons are not hellenes nor greeks,there was forced hellenization,assimilation and tottal confusion done in Aegean and Pirin Macedonia.Slavism is not a hellenic culture,Macedonians had they own culture,not slavism not hellenism,but in later times it was labeled slavism(same with the old) or hellenism.NOT!..Ancient slavians,Eneti,Pelazgi..Those are from Macedonia,before greeks or anyone came to balkans...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
My dear boy, you are very confused and truth is being hidden from you. I would really like to educate you on this subject, so that you will not make a fool of yourself anymore.
Makedones, were Hellenic people. A mix between Thracians (Ionians) whom migrated around 2000 BC from Asia Minor to the Balkans, and the Hellenic people called Dorians (descendants of Herakles).
True, Slavs do not belong to the Hellenic culture, Macedonians have Hellenic culture until today.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
You say that Macedonians had their own culture, but in fact the wrote with Greek alphabet, in Greek Dorian dialect (the lingua franca of ancient Greece), they worshipped the Hellenic deities and they had Hellenic names. Alexander is Ionian name.
You mention the Pelasgians, but in fact, they were recorded as Hellenic people, originating from Crete, where they neighboured the Dorians, just like in the Balkans.
Actually, Greeks came to the Balkans in 2000 BC, forming the Thracians.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I have found this "greek" geographical atlas form 1977..There is no Macedonia in greece,but everything is "ellada",and Macedonia is just Macedonia,Macedonians are Macedonians,and Macedonian language is Macedonian language...Hahahaha..."greek" Macedonia,since 1992 xDDDD
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I don't know about the Greek geographical atlas from 1977 but my relatives visited the Macedonians from Greece in the 70's. The people that they found there still spoke the old language (Aromanian) and they still had the old customs. The provinces of Greece exist for a long time.
You cannot understand that I desire unity with Greece because it still bares Hellenic culture. Not only this, but the most Makedones live in Greece.
You should look for unity with Greece...
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu No no no,i don't care about you assimilated relatives..I speak about a atlas from 1977,i will show it to you if you want..Don't try to put this to shadow,because it is most definetly a document that proofs non greeknes of Makedonija...You can desire whatever you want,greece may bare whatever culture she wants...Macedonia is not greece,aegean is under occupation,and if you was real Makedon,you should've realised,that there live Makedons that have hard times...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
You call my relatives assimilated, but I'm sure you've never even visited Macedonia (the genuine one). There, you will not find a normal Greek to call himself a Macedonian, but all Macedonians call themselves Elines.
Yes, I know... Greek Macedonia was called North Greece or Aegean. That was adopted because Tito started to brainwash the people of Paeonia or Vardar.
The fact that your country is Non-Hellenic doesn't need any proof, your culture speaks for itself. It is Serbian.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Hellenism is what?
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
You tell me what Hellenism is. You are the one who brought up the subject of ethnography.
Do the research and you'll find that you cannot be Macedonians without being Hellenic.
I have nothing against Slavic people and I respect most of them. I cannot respect you, because you have a non-Hellenic culture, yet you claim a Hellenic name.
You belonged to the Byzantine Empire, not the other way around. Your region was called Macedonia Salutaris only by foreigners (Romans).
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu So tell me,do the modern "greeks" have hellen culture,or greek culture?Because as far as i researched,hellene and greek is not same.Again i shall say that Slavism is not a ethnic designation,but a culture...As like the russians,the poles,the ukrainians accepted Slavism and not Hellenism..And other 750 million people around the world...Eh,they didn't liked the egocentric arrogant bullshit hellenism,so they blocked it...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu Cyril and Methodi spreaded Slavism from here,Slavism didn't come from nowhere like your historitians say....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Actually, the Byzantine Macedonians Cyril and Methodius did not spread Slavism, they invented the Cyrillic alphabet for the Slavs and Bulgars to use, in order to civilize them and later to give them the Orthodox religion.
The Greek historians never stated that Slav culture comes from nothing... maybe that's what they teach you in school. In the Balkans (South Slavs) invaded and they were called Sklaveni. You should know that the Byzantine Empire protected them from Bulgars...
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu You can go against me,but you cannot go against 750 million people..Cyril and Methodi"us",are hellenized in this modern historical times...It is not matter if someone "invaded",it matters who carried the holy name Macedonia through the centuries,it was most certainly not the so called "Greeks"...Even if we are mixed with "slavs",NOT!,it doesn't matter...Ancients were not greeks,and that is so simple....Macedonians spoke language that no one could understand,but we the descedants do..
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
I can go against you and I can go against the entire planet, because I have truth on my side. It is a good shield and sword.
Cyril and Methodius were Greeks from Thessaloniki. They were Christians when the Slavs arrived and they took the job of educating the barbaric Slavs and Bulgars. They created an alphabet especially for the Slavs to use, in order to pass to the Christianity. If they were Slavic people, how could they have been Christians, when all Slavs had pagan religion?
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Actually, the archaeological finds present the Macedonian language as the Dorian dialect of Hellenic language. The script they used was Hellenic alphabet. Whereas the Paeonians did not have an alphabet.
We can find accounts by contemporary historians that tell us very clearly: Macedon was a Hellenic Kingdom, Macedonian Kings claimed to be Hellenes and Macedon protected Ellada from the Illyrian invasion for countless centuries.
I'd be amazed if you'll understand the Pella Curse.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Before 1992 the word Macedonia in greece was forbiden to even think about it..But after Macedonia got independence,the modern "greeks" scared of the reality,they got their assimilations in completely other directions...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
How would you know what happened before 1991 on this planet? You were under the Communist regime and you were properly brainwashed by titoistic propaganda.
No normal Greek will say he's a Makedone but all Makedones will tell you that they are Greeks.
You are pathetic people whom have no culture, no history and no future. Accept that you belong to Greece as Sklaveni and Vardariotes. If you have other cultural traits, you will be treated as such...
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I was born in 1993...I have never experienced communist regime,tough my family did,and most certainly they do not want it..AT ALL!
Because in yugoslavia,if you said that Macedonia needs to be united,they take you to "goli otok" and fuck you up on the border,then make it like a scene:"he tried to escape,so we shot him on the border while he was tryin to escape"...Why are you so obssesed with comunism?Are you a commie?You sure are,because you are atheist,and antigod...yep... -.-
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
If you are born in '93, you are 10 years younger than I am. You still have a lot to live and a lot to learn. In time, you will realize that what you learned in school is propaganda meant to keep your country from uniting with Greece.
If you guys dislike communism, why do you employ the titoistic propaganda? We can find you a very good place in history and you will not have to force yourself in the history books.
What you said is just one very small part of what Yugoslavia did!
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu I never learnd shit in school..All this shit i know,is from my family and my family's archives...Uniting the natural Macedonia is what i try to accomplish,not union with greece...There is a old one,it says,don't have a greek friend,but don't have a greek enemy neither!Because greeks play a dirty game,and with dirty playing they achieve they "victories"...Wow,im starting to think that you might be a bulgar...Only bulgar would write that shit you did....
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
If you didn't learn this in school and you've learned it from your family, most probably they were brainwashed too.
You will not be able to unite Aegean with Vardar, because the people from Aegean (and I spoke with many Makedones) do not consider you their kin. If you desire unity with the Aegean region, you will have to unite with Greece. You are 2 million people of which 25% Albanians and many descendants of 500 000 Greek refugees from the Civil War. But you deny this.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
It is funny how you call me a Bulgar. I'm not... I am Vlaho-Macedonian and my grandparents came to Romania from Veria and Vergina. We come from the heart of Macedon, not from Paeonia or Vardar. The Vlachs or Rumanians are the descendants of the Byzantine Empire and you can research about the Macedonian Dynasty, it was also of Vlahic descend (So says Anna Comemna daughter of Emperors).
I will not go with any sins to the Heaven's Gate, but you will for calling me Bulgar.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu How can calling someone Bulgar be a sin.
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969 How?
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu ??
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969
You asked:
How can calling someone Bulgar be a sin.
I replied:
How?
You replied:
??
I reply:
You tell me.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu I'm asking YOU.
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969
You should ask yourself, not me.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu I'm proud I'm bulgarian so fuck off with your "smart" answers.
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969
Well then, you must have something to be proud of... maybe what the Comitadji did to the entire balkanic population... killing them for not declaring themselves Bulgarians...
Everyone around here dislikes Bulgarians. You were savages on your arrival and you didn't change too much since you came here.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu Comitadji??? to the ENTIRE balkan population????? I guess you are one of those brainwashed FYROMIANS. I will tell you that every nation around us are thievs. Is that something to be proud of? Tricking a nation and stealing its land; turning its people against it. That's what the Serbs did. Not to talk about the Greeks
When have Bulgarians been savages?? Let me remind you that medieval Bulgaria was the center of Slavonic culture,the Bulgarian church rivaled the byzantine by supremacy
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969
Dream on.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu haha is that all you gonna say. Everything i said is true and you CAN'T prove me wrong.
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969
Be thankful you are still around here.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@shockolanu And whom shall i thank?
emilpenkov969 1 month ago
@emilpenkov969 God.
shockolanu 1 month ago
@TheMegaArtist
Maybe one day you will realize that in all regions of the Balkans inhabited by Makedones, propaganda is conducted so that we will never be united.
You should know that Greece is represented as the enemy in your country, while in Greece you are represented as the bad guys. There are external powers that do not want to see the Balkans united. I consider that only Greece has the right to unify the Balkans.
P.S. I'm not atheist, nor anti God. May God open your eyes to see the truth.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Don't speak of "we" my friend...We are not you,we are not servants of the filthy hellens,we do not die for some egocentric dirty helene ideals...We are Makedons from Makedonija,and you better remember us like that,if you don't want to go with a sin to god's gate...Since you are not a atheist anymore...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu I know how greece is represented in my country..Represented as the south neighbour that tries to "invest" alot in Macedonia...How are we represented in greece?Well i don't really care,but i do care if they lie to my brethren and sistren from Aegean,and brainwash them with fabricated documents and lame propagandistic materials...Yes,nwo doesn't want to see the balkan united,and most certainly if it comes to uniting,greece would have same rights like all countries on the balkan..
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Nobody lies to the Macedonians of Greece. They are being taught the truth and let me tell you the truth.
Always, from ancient times until today, you were invaded, subdued, crushed, defeated and destroyed by barbaric people. If you would have been the famed Macedonians, you would have fought your own wars against the Turks. You let the Greeks, Romanians, Serbs and Bulgars to do the fighting for you. You are not worthy of the name, you don't know how to fight for freedom.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Last but certainly not least: You were occupied by Serbia from 1913 until 1991, while the people from Aegean were free. You should know that they had a huge struggle in the Greek Independence War and they fought against Turks, by joining the Greek army. It is true, they failed to liberate Macedonia at that time, but later, the Greeks did not forget about the huge help they had from us, so they fought for our freedom.
Greece has the superiority in the Balkans, you don't.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Modern "greeks",soros and the left(gay)oriented european union are promoting communism in my country,with they creation,the party that is anti-human:Sdu..Social democratic union,which is financed from "greeks",and runs more medium tools like:a1,alfa,telma,some "izmekjari",etc...
You will never understand how this problem was made so deep from the modern "greeks",because you take they side,and that taking of sides will leave you in handicap,sooner or later..
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Even if I took the side of Greece, which is only normal, I consider that you are the ones with the handicap. You have been forcefully Slavonised during the Yugoslav occupation.
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu It is not normal to take a side,with a country that was invented so it can satisfy the hungry romantistic european needs...Again you can consider whatever you want,it is your right...Tough you have no rights to insult me..No one has been forcefully slavonised during yugoslav occupation...
But ey,you wrote EVEN IF I TOOK...On which side are you fellow moldovian? :)
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@shockolanu You are what we say here "izmekjar",you are not "salsoboga",and you have nothing to do with macedonian masses nation and lands...So calm your brains down,and find another subject that shall entertain your life...
Now go crawl infront of your tutors...Your daddies the ellines...
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Both terms you mention sound Turkic. I don't know what their meanings.
I don't need to calm down, I'm calm anyway. The ancient Macedonian Kings claimed to be Greeks. The Medieval Macedonian Emperors were Greeks too. Who do you think you are to re-write history or to go against the statements of people whom you claim descendent from? Do you think you are big enough to contradict Alexander the Great? I think not!
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu Terms do not sound turkic,they sound Macedonian...
No Macedonians claimed to be greeks...That would made them servants to the greedy hellens..what the fuck are you talking about?I am nobody to re-write history,but i am somebody that is getting the facts out,for the world to see...Alexander is a persona,Macedonia is not...Macedonia is older then alexander...A persona can like alot of things..Alexander was made god in egypt right?India?Around the world...He was everywhere..Cosmopolitan
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
izmekjar sounds very Macedonian hahaha
Alexander the Great claimed he was Greek. Also Alexander I was allowed to participate in the Olympic games, after proving that he was of Greek descend.
What facts are you getting out? Talk about the Greeks whom are forbidden by your government to research their ancestry. Talk about the people your gov is putting in mental hospitals and in prison for advocating the Hellenism of Macedonia.
Alexander loved multiculturalism, unlike you!
shockolanu 4 months ago
@shockolanu yes,izmekjar sounds very Macedonian,i wouldn't be suprised if i see it in modern greek language too...
In your fabricated documents,alexander claimed alot of things...
Also Roman senators were allowed to participate in the olympic games...
Facts that are pure and have no intensions to fuck up other nations,unlike your "facts" that are pure territorial pretensions.. -.-
What greeks?what forbiden?What the fuck are you talking about?mental hospitals?what the fuck?????
TheMegaArtist 4 months ago
@TheMegaArtist
Yeah dude, tell the world how if you research your ancestry you are put in prison. In Yugoslavia you are not allowed to say you are Greek. You can only be Macedonian.
shockolanu