@KillgoreOv Humans evolve in many ways,and they adapt to the circumstances in which they are living in.The 'sexual revolution' wasn't a revolution,and sexual experimentation continues always. Fast forward 25 yrs later and it looks as if Zappa won the argument. Its good for him he did not live to see what came later.He would not have liked it.
@justcallmeassinine Well that's what I mean; you're totally right to say it wasn't really a 'revolution' in the first place. That's just why I find it funny to say that it "failed," y'know?
@KillgoreOv From what I heard it was "the pill",economic good times,before Aids, risk free sex, etc,etc,that all together kind of loosened people up.Sort of a lucky combination that happens in human history,but not so often as war and all the horrible crap.
zappa doesnt look down on kids. i hated being spoon fed a belief system as a school kid but my parents let me listen, watch and believe in what i wanted and so far, im happy to say i have had no temptation to kill anyone. music is enjoyable, if you have the common sense to realize films are just films and songs are just songs there is no reason why anything bad should come from it. people that try to blow their own heads off under the influence of what a song "told them to do" are just stupid...
Funny how they took a Megadeth lyric that described what our government run military does and turn it around to try and make it sound like the band is promoting that behaviour when its really New World Order government!
i've always been amazed how a genious ( not only musicly) like frank zappa would go to this shows . i'm so glad he did. we owe zappa for so much more than his wonderfull music. we need him more and more nowadays.
let them censor. PMRC censors and denies youth of groundbreaking music -> youths refuse to buy the bullshit music they choose to release -> youths find underground and "taboo" music -> music industry hurts in the money department. bottom line kids know real music eventually and censorship is nothing but false security for the gov't. let them feel like they've won and theyll leave us alone.
The day young people register to vote and take an active part in the political life in this country, will be the beginning of the end of the religious right controlling both major parties and the elimination of the imbeciles that govern us.
@xx2n23 Absolutely right. You can listen to Orff's 'Carmina Burana', and walk away thinking, "What the hell was that?" But you can argue with your parents, and walk away thinking, "If you didn't want me, then why did you have me?" There's the difference.
No matter what you do, you're gonna screw up your kids. You're gonna pass your phobias and shortcomings down to them, despite all that you do to avoid it. It's natural. It's sin. Just embrace it, and never stop hoping for change.
Did the guy who recited those Megadeth lyrics fall into a mystical trance from hearing them out of his own mouth and leave the studio to go kill people in the streets?
It is censorship I went to KMart once and tried to buy a Twisted Sister cd, they prevented me from buying it, so as he said censorship is when you prevent the product from the consumer they prevented the cd fom me the consumer. Also studies show that rock music improves concentration and boosts memory. Take that PMRC
Jeff Ling disagrees with all three statements: 'Sex is natural, sex is fun, sex is best when one on one'. (There's your *sexual problem* 'moderator'). You have a guy that either thinks sex is unnatural, never fun, and if you must have it I guess with at least three people involved (one of them the gov't apparently) or he just dove right in with the negativity without even listening to the actual question.
listen to zappa till death aint nothing wrong with words kids will eventually learn them ya the music is suggestive but it aint forcing anyone to do anything dead kennedys are fucking sick they should of been there too since they were talking about them fuck that rating shit
"The sexual revolution has failed... and now we've entered the Age of AIDs."
Best into to anything, ever. Just add: "In the year, 2099..." before that quote, and you've got the intro to an epic sci-fi set in a near dystopian future.
"I have a problem with a world that is one-sided, and considers itself the sole arbiters of morality." says the guy pushing for the PMRC putting ratings on the media.
"Look at the censorship, so called Fairness Doctrine, the shutting down of websites, the censorship of Political Correctness, perhaps the worst and most dangerous of Liberalism."
Wrong buddy. Liberalism is NOT the cause of censorship. What political wing tried to silence opposition to the Iraq War & the Vietnam War? Who funded the PMRC in the 80's? It was evangelical groups like the Moral Majority & Focus On The Family, which tried to use the PMRC to censor rock music.
"Look at the censorship, so called Fairness Doctrine, the shutting down of websites, the censorship of Political Correctness, perhaps the worst and most dangerous of Liberalism."
Wrong buddy. Liberalism is NOT the cause of censorship. What political wing tried to silence opposition to the Iraq War & the Vietnam War? Who funded the PMRC in the 80's? It was evangelical groups like the Moral Majority & Focus On The Family, which tried to use the PMRC to censor rock music.
I grew up in this PMRC nonsense. Thank God for guy's like Zappa that spoke out against this horse shit! Fuck the PMRC and Tipper Gore, fuck 'em all! Thanks Frank! Thanks for being real.
I'm surprised Frank didn't point out that many songs from the '50's were sensually based... "Put Your Head on My Shoulder", "Where the Boys Are", "Oh, Boy", etc. were all songs about young love with sexual undertones.
The only thing I don't agree with Zappa on is that I think ratings should stay. They're supposed to help parents know what may or may not be appropriate for their children. It's the parents' responsibility to determine what their children can and cannot consume. The ratings give parents a lead on what material they should investigate before allowing their children to consume. Ratings basically makes the parents' responsibility a little easier.
But its Frank argument (as he explains in more detail in the previous video) that the ratings are inherently flawed and biased toward Christianity, as well as sexually repressive. A movie can be PG or PG-13 and have graphic violence, alcoholism etc, but a movie won't be rated R until it has nudity or the word "fuck". In the eyes of the MPAA seeing violence and substance abuse are less harmful to kids than seeing breasts or hearing swear words.
you know what, all this shit about kids having sex and teenage girls getting pregnant is a bunch of immature brats who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. THEY got pregnant. frank zappa isn't responsible for that
Frank is great, but let's face it. Music moves people. Media moves people. It influences us. If it didn't, we wouldn't bother with it, we wouldn't watch or listen. We do because it moves us, affects us. Emotion and behavior are inextricably tied to music and images. But media denies it because it's their bread and butter.
@theschizoidman Frank was very much for critical analysis of what we see and hear, and is clearly bothered by these people taking the stance of "Don't let them tell you what to think, let US tell you what to think!" Media literacy needs to be taught to more people, and we need to be able to mentally dissect what we see and hear to be healthy as a culture in my opinion.
Contrary to popular belief, Frank would be a Libertarian today, NOT a democrat or a Liberal. Look at the censorship, so called Fairness Doctrine, the shutting down of websites, the censorship of Political Correctness, perhaps the worst and most dangerous of Liberalism.
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Jeff Ling is full of shit. He has nothing to back up his claims, and he's contradicting himself by trying to reduce the sale of "offensive" rock music but claiming that he is not trying to censor it. Frank is absolutely right. Parents should teach their children about sex and all of the things that they think will influence their children, and the government has no right to decide whats content is appropriate for children.
I watch this and kept help but just shake my head and laugh. This is hilarious! Look at how angry these men are, and here is Frank Zappa calmly responding.
you can see here that frank has been roasted so much that he stays cool and can articulate and anwser more clearly than before. with these stands he made he did more to rock music than anyone... in america, nowhere else in the world this wasn't ever an issue
you can see here that frank has been roasted so much that he stays cool and can articulate and anwser more clearly than before. with these stands he made he did more to rock music than anyone... in america, nowhere else in the world this wasn't ever a issue
I find it strange that we can have prime-time programming where people are eating pig testicles and elk penises and have shows that feature pictures from murder scenes - but when Janet Jackson shows her nipple on TV, everyone is upset.
Look at how Zappa blinks when he repeats the word "no" as an answer to the reporter's questions. He doesn't believe what he's saying but can't admit it.
@snottydyck I have a better idea, let's ban any political thought unless that thought benefits Obama. Oh sorry the mainstream media and Liberals are trying to do this. =)
I would think if you're a good parent who has raised they're kids right you have more persuasive power with your kids than a guy on a record. Its starts with images and words and eventually in 1119 we will have chips planted in our brains at birth to ward away what the government will deem "Bad Thoughts".
If your unmarried and get aroused ZAP!!!
Slip of the toungeZAP!!!
Wonder if the goverment might be lying to you SELF-DESTRUCT!!!
these schmucks eventually just let out they know whats best for children and they're going to censor whatever they like.
and megadeath are alright and I'd let my kids listen to em. eh they're alright!
zappa leaned to the focus on sex not violence and look whats happened. i turn on the tv these days and its CSI, Cold Case, blood and guts... sex is human and as much as the tv tries to teach the world how normal violence and murder is, its not human so why cant we even see titties ya know...
My biggest concern with censorship is that it discourages thought. When we don't allow words or ideas to be portrayed we lose the ability to decide for ourselves whether or not we agree or disagree with an idea.
We're desensitizing our population to the point where we are disallowing free speech, and here it was about sex and violence, but we could be censored for anything now; where do you draw the line?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
These queers where part of the sexual revolution , hippie freaks that rotted their acid brains. Zappa smoked them. You walk into my bed room you are dead motherfucker. No ifs ans or buts. The PMRC covered our ancesters graves with manure. Its good that they are gone. Let those old freaks rot in their fuckin graves.
I'm 22. I wish I could interject and actually take part of this argument. I don't understand why people have such a problem understanding that parents should take responsibility. My parents didn't allow me to watch South Park and the Simpsons when I was a kid. I watch them all the time now. Am I angry at them? No. Did I watch them when they weren't looking? On occasion. But by their telling me not to do it, I knew not to bring the actions in those shows into the household. Responsibility.
@zactheninja In addition. I didn't take it into the world. I feel like I learned the proper way to go about life. I learned it from my parents, not the government. I'm for freedom of expression and speech. I may not agree with everything I hear in music or television, but I appreciate the right to say it.
Even if you can't keep it out of the house, parents teach their kids the way they should be. Bad parents = Bad kids but sometimes Bad kids = Bad Kids.
zappa was representing us, the people and the kids against the fascist war machine. god bless frank zappa and he's only been gone for a short time, he's still with us. he's not dead, he just smells funny ! frank is a brilliant example of the italian-american who is proud and will fight for the constitution to the death!
I have to say I didn't think the right's argument could be anymore ridiculous than in the first crossfire/zappa debate, but once again the neo-fascist, American ultra right has proved me wrong. At least Ling just has a bad argument, as opposed to the slimy and deplorable Lofton. Thumbs up to Michael Kinsley here, who is much more charming and witty than his predecessor. Tom Braden was an indecisive character who convinced me at times he was actually the pundit for the right! Zappa for President
Zaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap FZ nails two hippocritical assholes! There's an off button on every radio and TV if you don't like what's on use it. "Mr.Zappa, whose on your side?" Common Sense...
Parents need to supervise their kids and have a right to say what their kids do and watch and listen to. The problem is that most parents dont have the time to research every movie released. A rating system on a film allows parents to know the contents before they take their kids to see it. I work in film games industry and I see nothing wrong with ratings . I disagree with removing a rating system for films and games. Its just information that allows people to make informed decisions.
@phlizmo and who hired the raters? are you sure their values are just like yours? What if this industry flaunted its power to blacklist certain companies? What would happen if these kids actually saw/heard this stuff? what kind of people trust an arbitrary rating company to do their parenting?
@sjk72 Doubt it, probably more of a "libertarian" if you had to equate it to today's labels. He was a self-proclaimed "practical conservative" which essentially meant he wanted a smaller government, hated unions but on the other hand was as socially progressive as you could be. He thought you should abolish income tax and tax things people buy. He was pro-choice—key word being "choice". A guy you truly couldn't label.
Stiff white men demanding their values be smashed onto an industry that shouldn't be censored in any way. "Conservative" liars pretending to want limited government when this guy explicitly says that he wants a "Big Brother" System. Frank is the real conservative.
this debate is much more intelligent and polite than the inane lofton horror story of a debate on the part one crossfire video from 1986 on youtube.
jeff ling has a greater grasp of human rights and politics and social reality than lofton and ling is also interracting well with frank and politely and frank at least gets to comment here-not just simply defend himself -as he had to in the other vid-so at least this is a proper intelligent debate/conversation unlike the other vid
If you don't like something, don't watch it , read it, or listen to it. Pay attention to your kids and their needs. The government, businesses, and the church have no right to tell me what I can or can't do. Frank was exactly right.
I'm amazed that they made such a big stink over Rock n Roll in the 80s causing sex, but not ONE OF THESE FUCKS is saying anything about our 21st century rap and all these high school whores!
There was a lot of fuss over rap during the late 80's to mid 90's. From NWA to 2pac. 21st century mainstream music (for the most part) is garbage regardless of genre. Like Frank said there are bad and good examples in every genre. It's just sad that the bad examples are usually the ones to be acknowledged by the masses
rap music is fine man, i think your thinking of visual rap, the mainstream stuff is all about that bullshit, i know wat u mean, but dont hate rap, hate mainstream brainwashing tunes
I'll put a blight in your orchard. I'll run wild through the fields. I'll waylay your daughter, kidnap your wife, then savage her sexless and burn out her eyes.
I'll blacken your Christmas and piss on your door. You'll cry out for mercy
Still the'll be more
Procol Harum 1970 Tipper gore was probably listening to this one in college. LOL
Quote from description: "Frank Zappa's views on censorship weren't "ahead for his times" actually - but more in line with old "classic liberalism" [or what we in the late 20th century know it as: "libertarianism"].
No. Zappa was no liberal. In the '86 interview he bristles when called an anarchist and states clearly "I am a conservative". Frank was always right-of-center, and the argument he's making here is a classicist pre-Reagan-conservative stance.
The description is actually correct. Some of the views that now are considered common for conservatives are things that also are found in "classical liberalism."
besides, how deep zappa goes... it´s exactly like that.. it´s the same people --maybe just with other faces-- complaining about relation between rock and aids (?¿), that complaint before about using the word masturbation!.. which kind of sex is safe and alright with them??....oh, frank.. you were too patient for my taste, for coming and going all around these TV disasters.
0:54-1:02- Kids are going to get pregnant whether they listen to rock music or not- what the HELL is he talking about? That is a positively Ionescan syllogism which makes NO sense.
How dare Mr. Zappa not own up for the obvious fact that rock music is responsible for AIDS.
mikebaal 1 month ago
@mikebaal i cant tell, was that sarcastic? or no
TheeVandal 1 week ago
9:45 hahaha Frank telling them like it is
danslatente 2 months ago
How exactly does the sexual revolution "fail," anyways? I mean... it didn't really have a conscious direction, it just kinda... happened, didn't it?
KillgoreOv 2 months ago in playlist More videos from drkshad0
@KillgoreOv Humans evolve in many ways,and they adapt to the circumstances in which they are living in.The 'sexual revolution' wasn't a revolution,and sexual experimentation continues always. Fast forward 25 yrs later and it looks as if Zappa won the argument. Its good for him he did not live to see what came later.He would not have liked it.
justcallmeassinine 2 months ago
@justcallmeassinine Well that's what I mean; you're totally right to say it wasn't really a 'revolution' in the first place. That's just why I find it funny to say that it "failed," y'know?
KillgoreOv 2 months ago
@KillgoreOv From what I heard it was "the pill",economic good times,before Aids, risk free sex, etc,etc,that all together kind of loosened people up.Sort of a lucky combination that happens in human history,but not so often as war and all the horrible crap.
justcallmeassinine 2 months ago
@justcallmeassinine Indeed; thanks for your view on the matter, friend. :)
KillgoreOv 2 months ago
I love Zappa's quick brutal responses to these idiotic questions.
"Who is on your side Mr. Zappa?" -'Common sense'.
Morrinn3 3 months ago
zappa doesnt look down on kids. i hated being spoon fed a belief system as a school kid but my parents let me listen, watch and believe in what i wanted and so far, im happy to say i have had no temptation to kill anyone. music is enjoyable, if you have the common sense to realize films are just films and songs are just songs there is no reason why anything bad should come from it. people that try to blow their own heads off under the influence of what a song "told them to do" are just stupid...
derangedband 3 months ago
JEFF LING!!! OH WOW!!! YOU SHOULD HEAR JELLO BIAFRA ABOUT HIM AND THE BOOK I ALSO HAVE "New book of rock lists"
JEFF LING IS HYPOCRIPT HERE!!!
MichaelHansenFUN 4 months ago
B&W? also you should read zappas book...it even mentions the words ""Does rock music cause AIDS"." SOME OF ZAPPA'S LYRICS ARE VERY.........
MichaelHansenFUN 4 months ago
Funny how they took a Megadeth lyric that described what our government run military does and turn it around to try and make it sound like the band is promoting that behaviour when its really New World Order government!
Xcorgi 4 months ago
Why the hell is this in black and white? You do realize there was color TV even way before the 80's right? So whats up?
Xcorgi 4 months ago
i've always been amazed how a genious ( not only musicly) like frank zappa would go to this shows . i'm so glad he did. we owe zappa for so much more than his wonderfull music. we need him more and more nowadays.
964746568 5 months ago in playlist zappa
let them censor. PMRC censors and denies youth of groundbreaking music -> youths refuse to buy the bullshit music they choose to release -> youths find underground and "taboo" music -> music industry hurts in the money department. bottom line kids know real music eventually and censorship is nothing but false security for the gov't. let them feel like they've won and theyll leave us alone.
goblinob 6 months ago
Ahh. The 80s. When a girl dancing in a bikini in a video could get people wound up.
DejectedPanda 6 months ago
The day young people register to vote and take an active part in the political life in this country, will be the beginning of the end of the religious right controlling both major parties and the elimination of the imbeciles that govern us.
SpandexManney 6 months ago
I hope all people like Peter Gemma (the poor man's Tucker Carlson) have, or will, "expire" in a most unpleasant way.
kurd55 6 months ago
@xx2n23 Absolutely right. You can listen to Orff's 'Carmina Burana', and walk away thinking, "What the hell was that?" But you can argue with your parents, and walk away thinking, "If you didn't want me, then why did you have me?" There's the difference.
No matter what you do, you're gonna screw up your kids. You're gonna pass your phobias and shortcomings down to them, despite all that you do to avoid it. It's natural. It's sin. Just embrace it, and never stop hoping for change.
SuperCartiel 6 months ago
They blame Frank for all they see wrongs, in music, and movies..
fordachevy 7 months ago 2
Did the guy who recited those Megadeth lyrics fall into a mystical trance from hearing them out of his own mouth and leave the studio to go kill people in the streets?
Probably not...
COMICFILMEXPERT 7 months ago
X making you offended =/= X being offensive
darkalleyheroes 7 months ago
They are just lyrics.
There were instrumental compositions that had bloating controversy.
SlimeAmTheBest 7 months ago
Either rock musicians change their ways or government will set the standards is the only two options? Zappa was right we are in a Fascist country.
Deathfromthesky2112 8 months ago
FUCK...no more World War II vets to handle these ruffian rock types on Xfire...very disappointing
sixtiksix 8 months ago
frank wants 2 continue 2 put the burden of responsibility on the parents---say what?!--thats where it belongs, asswipe!!
marquezmargaret0 8 months ago
Bad parents love blaming music, films and video games It's alot easier than being a good parent.
SydBarrett7 9 months ago
@SydBarrett7 Right on.
SuperCartiel 6 months ago
It is censorship I went to KMart once and tried to buy a Twisted Sister cd, they prevented me from buying it, so as he said censorship is when you prevent the product from the consumer they prevented the cd fom me the consumer. Also studies show that rock music improves concentration and boosts memory. Take that PMRC
joshrguitar13 9 months ago
@joshrguitar13 Yup. You couldn't play music at all if you didn't have the brains.
SuperCartiel 6 months ago
Yeah ...Frank Liked Megadeth!!!
afms93 9 months ago
Jeff Ling disagrees with all three statements: 'Sex is natural, sex is fun, sex is best when one on one'. (There's your *sexual problem* 'moderator'). You have a guy that either thinks sex is unnatural, never fun, and if you must have it I guess with at least three people involved (one of them the gov't apparently) or he just dove right in with the negativity without even listening to the actual question.
jancivil 9 months ago
listen to zappa till death aint nothing wrong with words kids will eventually learn them ya the music is suggestive but it aint forcing anyone to do anything dead kennedys are fucking sick they should of been there too since they were talking about them fuck that rating shit
JGxBAxLR 10 months ago 2
rock music = aids? lol I'm with Zappa
bellylaughing 10 months ago 3
Frank Zappa vs. Andy Richter. Fuck yeah.
likearollingstone257 10 months ago
frank be cool and classy as hell, while all these assholes are just blowing smoke out their asses. right on
dhamilztron 10 months ago
hillarious
Kifkid1 11 months ago
Polyanna BS Im with you Frank!!
I have had sex with thousands of women and dont have aids its all christian propaganda!
cultofedward 1 year ago
Those parent's need mental help!
pitchingwedge1 1 year ago 4
"The sexual revolution has failed... and now we've entered the Age of AIDs."
Best into to anything, ever. Just add: "In the year, 2099..." before that quote, and you've got the intro to an epic sci-fi set in a near dystopian future.
horsesflu 1 year ago 2
"I have a problem with a world that is one-sided, and considers itself the sole arbiters of morality." says the guy pushing for the PMRC putting ratings on the media.
CoderjoeIsTaken 1 year ago 4
Parents are too lazy to take responsability for their children, dont blame musicians.
4espritdrummer 1 year ago 9
yes... no... hahaha
stupidnicks 1 year ago
"Look at the censorship, so called Fairness Doctrine, the shutting down of websites, the censorship of Political Correctness, perhaps the worst and most dangerous of Liberalism."
Wrong buddy. Liberalism is NOT the cause of censorship. What political wing tried to silence opposition to the Iraq War & the Vietnam War? Who funded the PMRC in the 80's? It was evangelical groups like the Moral Majority & Focus On The Family, which tried to use the PMRC to censor rock music.
dudelove3 1 year ago
"Look at the censorship, so called Fairness Doctrine, the shutting down of websites, the censorship of Political Correctness, perhaps the worst and most dangerous of Liberalism."
Wrong buddy. Liberalism is NOT the cause of censorship. What political wing tried to silence opposition to the Iraq War & the Vietnam War? Who funded the PMRC in the 80's? It was evangelical groups like the Moral Majority & Focus On The Family, which tried to use the PMRC to censor rock music.
dudelove3 1 year ago
Hahah! "Whose on your side?"
"Common sense".
Faerlon123 1 year ago
"You're problem is with the modern world." Hahaha.
BishopNo 1 year ago
Ban politicians.
rg2027x 1 year ago
"we are the world" lol if only he was alive to hear the bieber levato miley cyrus remake of it
jellytroid 1 year ago 2
It's like a bunch of monkeys throwing poo at the only human in the zoo.
pureevilfnord 1 year ago 9
Prejudice.....prejudice.........prejudice. Zappa is absolutely right !.
maximiano88 1 year ago 2
Frank looks sick. I think this is when the cancer that eventually killed him began. He was in remission for several years and then succumbed.
michaelmuller 1 year ago
Please submit your demo tapes to the government! They gotta listen to your cold raps before you can hit the streets with it.
Wodey25 1 year ago
LETS BAN WAR
scottypaul266 1 year ago 2
Micheal Kinsley FTW, he was on Zappa´s side.
KonkreteXXX 1 year ago
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KonkreteXXX 1 year ago
Teen pregnancy? Teen abortion? What to do about it? BAN THE DEVIL MUSIC. But remember kids, God punishes people for the sin of condom use.
Aah, and who said religion was good for nothing.... Sure gives me something to laugh about.
rooflee 1 year ago 2
I grew up in this PMRC nonsense. Thank God for guy's like Zappa that spoke out against this horse shit! Fuck the PMRC and Tipper Gore, fuck 'em all! Thanks Frank! Thanks for being real.
nagumo10001 1 year ago 2
"Are their any rock lyrics that you wouldn't want your children listening to???"......
"We Are the World."
jonnyhuckerby 1 year ago
we need zappa now, my god!! but this time for video games
monkeyjangles4 1 year ago
we need zappa now, my god!!
monkeyjangles4 1 year ago
"Mr. Zappa blablabla, blabla, blablabla?" "No."
"Mr. Zappa blablabla, blabla, blablabla?"
"No." "No."
Clear and simple, haha, awesome.
hkonjohansen 1 year ago
@hkonjohansen a freakin' genious !!!
papugomez 1 year ago
I'm surprised Frank didn't point out that many songs from the '50's were sensually based... "Put Your Head on My Shoulder", "Where the Boys Are", "Oh, Boy", etc. were all songs about young love with sexual undertones.
rookieninetynine 1 year ago
The only thing I don't agree with Zappa on is that I think ratings should stay. They're supposed to help parents know what may or may not be appropriate for their children. It's the parents' responsibility to determine what their children can and cannot consume. The ratings give parents a lead on what material they should investigate before allowing their children to consume. Ratings basically makes the parents' responsibility a little easier.
LuigiGodzillaGirl 1 year ago
@LuigiGodzillaGirl
But its Frank argument (as he explains in more detail in the previous video) that the ratings are inherently flawed and biased toward Christianity, as well as sexually repressive. A movie can be PG or PG-13 and have graphic violence, alcoholism etc, but a movie won't be rated R until it has nudity or the word "fuck". In the eyes of the MPAA seeing violence and substance abuse are less harmful to kids than seeing breasts or hearing swear words.
Ryosuke001 1 year ago
you know what, all this shit about kids having sex and teenage girls getting pregnant is a bunch of immature brats who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. THEY got pregnant. frank zappa isn't responsible for that
Fender574 1 year ago
"amazing"....what an idiot that guy was
Fender574 1 year ago 2
when did AIDS come in? What does AIDS have to do with rock'n roll music?
superkulmedkniv25 1 year ago 4
Frank is great, but let's face it. Music moves people. Media moves people. It influences us. If it didn't, we wouldn't bother with it, we wouldn't watch or listen. We do because it moves us, affects us. Emotion and behavior are inextricably tied to music and images. But media denies it because it's their bread and butter.
theschizoidman 1 year ago
@theschizoidman Frank was very much for critical analysis of what we see and hear, and is clearly bothered by these people taking the stance of "Don't let them tell you what to think, let US tell you what to think!" Media literacy needs to be taught to more people, and we need to be able to mentally dissect what we see and hear to be healthy as a culture in my opinion.
theawesome 1 year ago
Contrary to popular belief, Frank would be a Libertarian today, NOT a democrat or a Liberal. Look at the censorship, so called Fairness Doctrine, the shutting down of websites, the censorship of Political Correctness, perhaps the worst and most dangerous of Liberalism.
I miss Frank. We need his clear thinking now.
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"We are the world."
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4l4ddin77 1 year ago
Great video! Thanks. The Republican asswipe with mustache reminds me of somebody. Hmm... Two words---Sieg Heil.
ebkurd 1 year ago
"common sense"! Frank rules!
Dzzzzzzz 1 year ago
AT LEAST Jeff Ling puts up more of a fight than John Lofton did. Well, I use the term "fight" loosely...
...But you know what I mean. :P
Casparjg 1 year ago
I love how Zappa is so obviously not even trying in this debate and still winning.
Anoldtreeok 1 year ago 4
despite his right-wing almost fascist views, frank is right one this one.
Ewarne 1 year ago
@Ewarne I'm curious about something, how is he almost fascist?
maidenfan36 1 year ago
"We are the world"....Brilliant!
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Dfrankjazz 1 year ago
Jeff Ling is full of shit. He has nothing to back up his claims, and he's contradicting himself by trying to reduce the sale of "offensive" rock music but claiming that he is not trying to censor it. Frank is absolutely right. Parents should teach their children about sex and all of the things that they think will influence their children, and the government has no right to decide whats content is appropriate for children.
kentokaneko777 1 year ago
I watch this and kept help but just shake my head and laugh. This is hilarious! Look at how angry these men are, and here is Frank Zappa calmly responding.
Zappa is the man!
gamecubeclock 1 year ago 2
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you can see here that frank has been roasted so much that he stays cool and can articulate and anwser more clearly than before. with these stands he made he did more to rock music than anyone... in america, nowhere else in the world this wasn't ever an issue
TurboLesbianLover 1 year ago
you can see here that frank has been roasted so much that he stays cool and can articulate and anwser more clearly than before. with these stands he made he did more to rock music than anyone... in america, nowhere else in the world this wasn't ever a issue
TurboLesbianLover 1 year ago
I simply love Frank. Forever.
DougFCKNSteele 1 year ago
Doggystyle rules.
DeepestBluestDay 1 year ago
I wish jello biafra was there to debate along side Mr. Zappa.
MexicanMarine 1 year ago
"Are there any rock lyrics that you have heard in the past couple of years that you don't want your children to hear?"
"We Are The World"
dethklokfan254 1 year ago 42
I find it strange that we can have prime-time programming where people are eating pig testicles and elk penises and have shows that feature pictures from murder scenes - but when Janet Jackson shows her nipple on TV, everyone is upset.
singinglawnchair 1 year ago 3
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@singinglawnchair Lol! Well said!
theschizoidman 1 year ago
No.
tomtom108 1 year ago
@gevansmd. Are you joking? That has to be the stupidest thing I've heard.
newcoyote 1 year ago
Look at how Zappa blinks when he repeats the word "no" as an answer to the reporter's questions. He doesn't believe what he's saying but can't admit it.
gevansmd 1 year ago
@gevansmd he blinks all the time... i think its an natural reaction to the spotlight xD dont buy any thing they try to sell u on LIE TO ME xDDD
Alessio12345 1 year ago
I've got a better idea....LETS BAN RELIGION!! they seem to be the intolerant ones.
snottydyck 1 year ago 54
@snottydyck that makes you just as bad as them
ACDC7369 1 year ago
@snottydyck That might be a little extreme.
clonecomanderfox 8 months ago
@snottydyck I have a better idea, let's ban any political thought unless that thought benefits Obama. Oh sorry the mainstream media and Liberals are trying to do this. =)
MrD5147 7 months ago
@snottydyck WHAT A TOLERANT IDEA!
pureaggression 4 months ago
I would think if you're a good parent who has raised they're kids right you have more persuasive power with your kids than a guy on a record. Its starts with images and words and eventually in 1119 we will have chips planted in our brains at birth to ward away what the government will deem "Bad Thoughts".
If your unmarried and get aroused ZAP!!!
Slip of the toungeZAP!!!
Wonder if the goverment might be lying to you SELF-DESTRUCT!!!
aleksavortis 1 year ago
these schmucks eventually just let out they know whats best for children and they're going to censor whatever they like.
and megadeath are alright and I'd let my kids listen to em. eh they're alright!
zappa leaned to the focus on sex not violence and look whats happened. i turn on the tv these days and its CSI, Cold Case, blood and guts... sex is human and as much as the tv tries to teach the world how normal violence and murder is, its not human so why cant we even see titties ya know...
mrmeanero 1 year ago
My biggest concern with censorship is that it discourages thought. When we don't allow words or ideas to be portrayed we lose the ability to decide for ourselves whether or not we agree or disagree with an idea.
We're desensitizing our population to the point where we are disallowing free speech, and here it was about sex and violence, but we could be censored for anything now; where do you draw the line?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
rashock12 1 year ago
Frank totally owns and then pities these fools. It's hilarious.
adam872 1 year ago 4
These queers where part of the sexual revolution , hippie freaks that rotted their acid brains. Zappa smoked them. You walk into my bed room you are dead motherfucker. No ifs ans or buts. The PMRC covered our ancesters graves with manure. Its good that they are gone. Let those old freaks rot in their fuckin graves.
pigletized 1 year ago
I'm 22. I wish I could interject and actually take part of this argument. I don't understand why people have such a problem understanding that parents should take responsibility. My parents didn't allow me to watch South Park and the Simpsons when I was a kid. I watch them all the time now. Am I angry at them? No. Did I watch them when they weren't looking? On occasion. But by their telling me not to do it, I knew not to bring the actions in those shows into the household. Responsibility.
zactheninja 1 year ago
@zactheninja In addition. I didn't take it into the world. I feel like I learned the proper way to go about life. I learned it from my parents, not the government. I'm for freedom of expression and speech. I may not agree with everything I hear in music or television, but I appreciate the right to say it.
Even if you can't keep it out of the house, parents teach their kids the way they should be. Bad parents = Bad kids but sometimes Bad kids = Bad Kids.
zactheninja 1 year ago
Total control: being as eloquent as Frank Zappa, and then replying questions with "yes. no. no." Brilliant
ErSchTsp 1 year ago
zappa was representing us, the people and the kids against the fascist war machine. god bless frank zappa and he's only been gone for a short time, he's still with us. he's not dead, he just smells funny ! frank is a brilliant example of the italian-american who is proud and will fight for the constitution to the death!
daddysevenpointfiver 1 year ago
more sex will save the world. All the frustrated and angry people in world would become peaceful again.
Ashitaka255 1 year ago 3
wow i disagree.young ppl having sex is ruining our world. be patient wait till u grow up
LittleKid43 1 year ago
Haha, I love these Zappa appearances on Crossfire.
Yesornoization 1 year ago
I have to say I didn't think the right's argument could be anymore ridiculous than in the first crossfire/zappa debate, but once again the neo-fascist, American ultra right has proved me wrong. At least Ling just has a bad argument, as opposed to the slimy and deplorable Lofton. Thumbs up to Michael Kinsley here, who is much more charming and witty than his predecessor. Tom Braden was an indecisive character who convinced me at times he was actually the pundit for the right! Zappa for President
quincyquincyquincy 1 year ago
This is great, but it hurts to see Frank like this. This must be when the cancer started to take hold.
fiddlerfart 1 year ago
Zaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap FZ nails two hippocritical assholes! There's an off button on every radio and TV if you don't like what's on use it. "Mr.Zappa, whose on your side?" Common Sense...
andygray 1 year ago
I miss frank zappa.
marsz510 1 year ago
we are the world xD zappa's a genius
Stiletto92 1 year ago
Yes No Yess no AMAZING!!!!!!!
cormraa 1 year ago
Ha ha. Teen pregnancy is all Frank's fault. That's hysterical.
Beatnikzombie 1 year ago 2
I just heard this guy call himself big brother goverment WTF!!!
UndertheDomeInRome 1 year ago
Parents need to supervise their kids and have a right to say what their kids do and watch and listen to. The problem is that most parents dont have the time to research every movie released. A rating system on a film allows parents to know the contents before they take their kids to see it. I work in film games industry and I see nothing wrong with ratings . I disagree with removing a rating system for films and games. Its just information that allows people to make informed decisions.
phlizmo 1 year ago
@phlizmo and who hired the raters? are you sure their values are just like yours? What if this industry flaunted its power to blacklist certain companies? What would happen if these kids actually saw/heard this stuff? what kind of people trust an arbitrary rating company to do their parenting?
daddysevenpointfiver 1 year ago
rock isnt the problem, the problem is sex feels too darn good
Fry1077 1 year ago 3
I wonder where he would stand politically today. Would he have been an Obama supporter?
sjk72 1 year ago
@sjk72 Doubt it, probably more of a "libertarian" if you had to equate it to today's labels. He was a self-proclaimed "practical conservative" which essentially meant he wanted a smaller government, hated unions but on the other hand was as socially progressive as you could be. He thought you should abolish income tax and tax things people buy. He was pro-choice—key word being "choice". A guy you truly couldn't label.
pindyMX 1 year ago
We could use a guy like him today,
sjk72 1 year ago 2
Frank Zappa and the Dead Kennedys (and thousands of other people) against the world !!!!!! (they should make a movie out of that)
hammerhackers 1 year ago
It's great to see how this whole thing during the 80s about ratings and the PMRC amounted to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
trafficjam10 1 year ago
"frank wants to put the responsibility on to the parents"
YES THATS FUCKING RIGHT YOU LIMP DICK WHEN YOU FUCK THAT UGLY BITCH WHIFE AND CUM IN HER PUSSY YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING YOUR KIDS UP
NOT the music
NOT the government
YOU
Jesus christ, these people have the minds of fifth graders. I can't even comprehend how stupid these people are.
MistahhB 1 year ago 2
Ah yes, and by your language it becomes apparent that your parents didn't raise you properly :P
haney72003 1 year ago
Using "bad words" is not harmful, and they are very effective. Why should we strive away from something that doesn't hurt and is more effective?
If you are offended by "bad words" you should lock yourself inside your house and never leave.
You know the words and their meaning. Words do not murder people.
MistahhB 1 year ago
zappa... what a visionary!
we miss you frank!
manooko 1 year ago 2
HAHAHA those parents need help.. MENTAL HELP!!
Marcelosrv 1 year ago 3
Frank says it best...Don't look to your Government to be your babysitter....Man up and be your own person.
BaronvonBlutwurst 1 year ago 2
I bet that everyone who interviewed Zappa was surprised by how intelligent he was.
sheartrigger8 1 year ago
the coolest person to ever walk this planet
MarcosEsquandolas 1 year ago 2
@8:20 the arugment is clearly lost for the PMRC dude.
Debaser11 1 year ago
Stiff white men demanding their values be smashed onto an industry that shouldn't be censored in any way. "Conservative" liars pretending to want limited government when this guy explicitly says that he wants a "Big Brother" System. Frank is the real conservative.
theJugganawt 1 year ago
Who's on your side?
Common sense!
HAHAHA
Right on
ZAPPA!!!
annalogatta 1 year ago
One stupid-ass question out-of-the-gate.
People,WAKE UP AND START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN LIVES.AND STOP LOOKING OUTWARD(IE. MUSIC,MOVIES ETC.)AS TO WHY YOU HAVE YOUR PROBLEMS.
And parents,really need TO BE PARENTS!!!
spiritualED 1 year ago 5
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spiritualED 1 year ago
Hahahah @ 5:40-5:50
Zappamaniac 1 year ago 2
Here we are 20+ years later, and now it's vidoe games that are evil. How ironic! we come full circle. LOL!
DaveKaiju 2 years ago
that guy from washington said, "Big Brother government will come to clean up your act." has anyone else read 1984 by George Orwell?
d3reilly 2 years ago
I would like to quote a lyric from a band I like very much, Rage against the machine:
FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME
I'm glad the rock industry won this issue.
MistahhB 2 years ago 6
Rage sucks
Teajryan 2 years ago
@Teajryan Yeah? Well, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.
Moniker180 2 years ago
@Teajryan wrong
rickthaluddite 1 year ago
this debate is much more intelligent and polite than the inane lofton horror story of a debate on the part one crossfire video from 1986 on youtube.
jeff ling has a greater grasp of human rights and politics and social reality than lofton and ling is also interracting well with frank and politely and frank at least gets to comment here-not just simply defend himself -as he had to in the other vid-so at least this is a proper intelligent debate/conversation unlike the other vid
steve273 2 years ago
"Or Big Brother government is going to come in and stop you". At least the guy is honest about how the federal government really thinks.
sickVoDKa 2 years ago
If you don't like something, don't watch it , read it, or listen to it. Pay attention to your kids and their needs. The government, businesses, and the church have no right to tell me what I can or can't do. Frank was exactly right.
JDODSON7 2 years ago 52
Buisness and churches are also a matter of choice.. i would say, only the government should have no voice in here...
Deadleader555 1 year ago
@JDODSON7 Fuckin' A!
rooflee 1 year ago
I'm amazed that they made such a big stink over Rock n Roll in the 80s causing sex, but not ONE OF THESE FUCKS is saying anything about our 21st century rap and all these high school whores!
Fuck man, rap better die this decade.
AsAngelsFall221 2 years ago 2
There was a lot of fuss over rap during the late 80's to mid 90's. From NWA to 2pac. 21st century mainstream music (for the most part) is garbage regardless of genre. Like Frank said there are bad and good examples in every genre. It's just sad that the bad examples are usually the ones to be acknowledged by the masses
tronic05 2 years ago
rap music is fine man, i think your thinking of visual rap, the mainstream stuff is all about that bullshit, i know wat u mean, but dont hate rap, hate mainstream brainwashing tunes
thatguythatyouknow69 2 years ago
Ironic that porn spam is here!
westpalmscott 2 years ago
My baby ain't got no money, but her snatch it tastes like honey, cos she makes that Coca Cola douche
The Fugs 1968
westpalmscott 2 years ago
I'll put a blight in your orchard. I'll run wild through the fields. I'll waylay your daughter, kidnap your wife, then savage her sexless and burn out her eyes.
I'll blacken your Christmas and piss on your door. You'll cry out for mercy
Still the'll be more
Procol Harum 1970 Tipper gore was probably listening to this one in college. LOL
westpalmscott 2 years ago
"Your problem is the modern world" Hahahahaha! Owned!
Jontish316 2 years ago
Frank FOREVER!
orionedwin 2 years ago 18
The PMRC failed miserably. Watch any Beyonce video.
frankdis 2 years ago 3
Or any Brittany Spears lyric since the beginning.
Timoth1983 2 years ago
miserably? have seen any of beyonce's videos?? ;)
ltothem11 2 years ago
freedom over control
HaarlemmerHewe 2 years ago
Quote from description: "Frank Zappa's views on censorship weren't "ahead for his times" actually - but more in line with old "classic liberalism" [or what we in the late 20th century know it as: "libertarianism"].
No. Zappa was no liberal. In the '86 interview he bristles when called an anarchist and states clearly "I am a conservative". Frank was always right-of-center, and the argument he's making here is a classicist pre-Reagan-conservative stance.
ronson232 2 years ago 2
The description is actually correct. Some of the views that now are considered common for conservatives are things that also are found in "classical liberalism."
slycordinator 2 years ago
wyciag z fiuta
powerkidd 2 years ago
Oh yea, this is from the "find the scapegoat" series :)
JuliaBabo4ka 2 years ago
Censorship is bad no matter what the speech.
bertly71 2 years ago 6
the pmrc needs to die a fiery death
JimB667 2 years ago
besides, how deep zappa goes... it´s exactly like that.. it´s the same people --maybe just with other faces-- complaining about relation between rock and aids (?¿), that complaint before about using the word masturbation!.. which kind of sex is safe and alright with them??....oh, frank.. you were too patient for my taste, for coming and going all around these TV disasters.
anitasseo 2 years ago
thanks so much. long live libertarianism. very interesting (the zappa part, of course)
anitasseo 2 years ago
loool the sillyness of the stupid topic speaks for itself no need for commenting on that.. well done frank!! :D
LHondrums 2 years ago
0:54-1:02- Kids are going to get pregnant whether they listen to rock music or not- what the HELL is he talking about? That is a positively Ionescan syllogism which makes NO sense.
SIMPFANN 2 years ago