Md Roofing Services: Pipe Collar Repair on Roof in Bowie, MD

[MdRoofingServices]

That's right, the keyways are the "slits" ... they're one foot apart and five inches high on a regular "3 tab" shingle like these Certainteed XT25s.

Thanks!

-Bill T-

[linxcod]

great vid...im assuming the 'keyways' are the slits in the shingles?

[jvhamby5]

I kinda find it fun chatting with you guys on this subject. I have been roofing for 21 years and I have never had to deal with any consumer complaints, much less lawsuits for not getting it right or making it RIGHT!.Lots of folk don't get it.

Now as far as those gloves are concerned(WTH) Do you have dishpan hands? I personally use sports tape if my hands need protection from the granules.

I will say that the condition of that roof tells me that a Rain collar would be the simple repair. thx

[rawzone1]

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day ~ Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in the boat and drink all day..Teach a man to to roof, he'll sit in the shade and laugh at you for sweating your ass off all day ~ At least you'll get paid and can drink all night... Roofing Sucks!

[MdRoofingServices]

@rawzone1 Sorry, can't agree ... lol. But thanks for the entertainment.

-Bill T-

[jvhamby5]

Why not just use a 3n1 weather collar instead of disturbing the roof shingles? I would have made you repair the vent flange right instead of that poor excuse of a diaper that you used. I am not perfect by far, But I see a complete issue with over use of geocel and repairs made around the flange. Tip read your manufacturers pro field guide?????

[MdRoofingServices]

@jvhamby5 Thanks for writing, I'll give you three reasons:

1. Many of the flanges are plastic and they all need replacement.

2. The interface between the 3 in 1 requires caulking in the critical sealing area to make it work ... not good!

3. After a while, the shingles loosen up, or the flanges rub holes in the shingles (due to their different expansion rates), and then "wind driven rain" can enter and cause problems/damage.

Most roofers get it wrong too -- you're not the only one.

-Bill T-

[jvhamby5]

@MdRoofingServices

Over use or heavy use of sealant will cause shingles to blister and prematurely fail, Bill I could probably teach you a few things and don't take that as an insult.. Flanges will never rub a hole through the fiberglass mat and furthermore.

Plastic is fine if being used on normal roofing applications. Metal flanges do not extend rubber grommet life. Sorry to inform you that you are wrong. I am 3rd generation roofer and my company has over 65 years of combined experience.

[MdRoofingServices]

@jvhamby5 I've always felt that the 3 in 1 "solution" is just a shortcut that lazy roofers use cause they don't feel like doing the job right!

-Bill T-

[jvhamby5]

@jvhamby5

Oh yea! that's a great answer if I did not know what I am doing. But most plastic boots will last 15 to 20 years the pipe grommet will not even on the metal boots. I always install a new pipe boot and a collar over the boot because I have to give 15 year leak warranties to keep up with my competitors. So those metal flanges serve no more purpose than the plastic flange simply because they ALL have neoprene pipe grommets to seal the pipe. So why disturb the roofing itself???

[jvhamby5]

Why not just use a 3n1 weather collar instead of disturbing the roof shingles?

[BreakfastBentoBox]

I don't get too impressed with the DIY crap on youtube lately, but this was a bit of a change for once. This guy knows what he's doing. Wish you were in my neck of the woods, bud. Peace.

[MdRoofingServices]

@BreakfastBentoBox Thanks for the props! Much appreciated.

-Bill T-

[BreakfastBentoBox]

@MdRoofingServices word.

[jvhamby5]

@BreakfastBentoBox

He does know how to change a boot. But I can teach any rookie how to do that just by making them cut in a few on every roof I do. What would impress me is show me how to run a very poorly designed chimney with a valley terminating in the middle of it on a 12 pitch. Those will challenge most people who think to think a little harder and they are not a 5 minute repair.

[BreakfastBentoBox]

@jvhamby5 well, I am no expert. just watching youtube to get some ideas around the homestead. it just seems there are so many talking heads but not too many legit videos with great detail. this one meets that criteria.

[jvhamby5]

@BreakfastBentoBox

I suppose you could tell he does get it. But I want to see you climb a 12/12 roof slope and do what he is doing since your opinion is that. When it is walkable anybody can get up there to film a video! I must Ask you when the last time you was tested by the manufacturer on acceptable installation practices? I actually was 95% correct on my GAF/ELK steep slope re certification 1 and 1/2 years ago and I have to do it again this coming January.

[BreakfastBentoBox]

@jvhamby5 All roofs have slopes, that's why you tether yourself with an anchor system for safety. Why would anyone pay some over rated professional to do this type of work? it is not difficult, just time consuming. Any monkey with a hammer can replace shingles and seal a leak.



[jvhamby5]

@BreakfastBentoBox

Not all roofs are sloped! some are flat. People like you that think they cannot fall and can climb and that the danger is not there are the reason my workers comp is so damn high. Until you have paid your dues you really don't have any room to talk. 21+ years and accidents, serious injury and death are the result when a rookie know it all gets on a roof, especially if black ice, loose debris or no common sense is used. Flat or steep safety comes before opinion period!

[BreakfastBentoBox]

@jvhamby5 All roofs have slopes, even "flat" ones! That is why you tether yourself with an anchor system for safety. Why would anyone pay some over rated professional to do this type of work? it is not rocket science. Any monkey with a hammer can replace shingles and seal a leak. L&I has nothing to do with DIY homeowners, fuctard. Your rates went up because you are a high risk idiot & your company is ignorant. Sounds like you are in the wrong line of work. Career advice: Quit your day job!

[jvhamby5]

@BreakfastBentoBox

The difference between you and me is that I will not use profanity and disrespect everyone on here. Only collective criticism. I have one fall and lawsuit because my sub crew failed to use my safety equipment. I WON!Furthermore I have NEVER BEEN SUED FOR A BAD JOB!! I STAY BUSY FOR 1 REASON. HONESTY AND INTEGRITY! I HOPE YOU ARE EMPLOYED BECAUSE I AM NOT CONSIDERED IN THE DIGITS OF THE UNEMPLOYED BECAUSE I AM A BUSINESS OWNER! SUCCESS IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ME!

[jvhamby5]

@BreakfastBentoBox

DID YOU KNOW MOST INJURIES AND DEATHS OCCUR TO HOMEOWNERS TRYING TO CLEAN GUTTERS AND FIX THEIR OWN ROOF?

I NEVER HAD A DEATH IN MY COMPANY ONLY A 500 Character limit. I HAVE SAW TERRIBLE ACCIDENTS EVEN FROM THE EXPERT HOMEOWNER WHO TETHERED THEM SELF TO THE ROOF AND HAD TO HAVE EMERGENCY RESCUE GET THEM DOWN AND GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND EVEN TO THE MORGUE! HAPPY CLIMBING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jvhamby5]

@jvhamby5

GOOD LUCK AND WALK HEAVY NOT LIGHT. BTW MAKE SURE YOU USE A FOAM CUSHION AND GO GET SOME COUGAR PAWS FOR YOUR FEET. ALSO A CHEAP FALL KIT IS AROUND $400.00. YOU STILL HAVE TO ANCHOR TO SOMETHING SOLID. HMMMM I WONDER WHAT??? HVAC VENT MAYBE OR A PIPE ??? I AM SO GLAD YOU CAN DO MY JOB ON YOUR HOME AND GUESS WHAT. I HAVE MEN I CAN TRUST WITH MY LIFE THAT KNOW THE JOB AND DANGERS THAT ARE INVOLVED. THOSE WHO CAN DO AND THOSE WHO CANNOT CRITICIZE!

[BreakfastBentoBox]

@jvhamby5 Well well. U R an internet bully now, arent you? Ohhhh, I am so scared. BTW, to make a video, u dont just type words on a paper from a so called published article, and record screen shots of the pages for people to read 5 minutes of junk. A little constructive criticism: YOU Stop making "videos", they suck! If u remember how this conversation began, u picked on me for complimenting a good really good DIY video. Compared to your video, MDRoofingServices is Oscar WINNING material!!

[jvhamby5]

@BreakfastBentoBox

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT MY VIDEO. I DON'T EVEN LIKE IT!!! IT DOES NOT DO THE INDUSTRY ANY JUSTICE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. IT WAS JUST AN EXPERIMENT AND GOOGLE REMOVED MY BACKGROUND MUSIC THAT WAS SOOTHING FOR ??

WHILE THE INFORMATION IS LEGITIMATE, I AM NOT HAPPY THEREFORE I DO NOT PROMOTE.

I AM NO BULLY EITHER. I JUST SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT WHEN I SEE IT NEEDS TO BE. OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO RETHINK YOUR POSITION AND CONSIDER I AM AN EXPERT IN MY FIELD.

[BreakfastBentoBox]

@jvhamby5 Expert cocksucker. Stay off my channel, bitch. ┌П┐(O_O)┌П┐



[jvhamby5]

@jvhamby5

ONE MORE THING USE A HEAVY DUTY LADDER BLACK TIP A MINIMUM! USE STAGING IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN! DON'T FORGET NOT TO SET YOUR LADDER UP NEAR ELECTRIC LINES. DID YOU KNOW THAT ELECTRICITY CAN ARK UP TO 10 FEET AND GROUND AGAINST YOUR LADDER. A GOOD NEW LADDER IF YOU HAVE 2 FLOORS WILL BE AROUND $450.00. I EXPECT YOU HAVE ENOUGH MOONEY TO BUY ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT SINCE A PIPE BOOT A SHINGLES ARE SO CHEAP TO BUY. OVERATED CONTRACTORS INVEST IN THESE THINGS.

[t0fast]

it's nice seeing someone put up a video of something that they actually know how to do - i've seen some where your average joe homeowner could do a better job, and yet they still put up a video telling people thats the way to do it- nice job and thanks for posting.

[MdRoofingServices]

@t0fast Thanks for the nice words. Much appreciated!

-Bill T-

[friendlyroofer]

If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, if you teach a man to fish you lose his business for life.

[MdRoofingServices]

@friendlyroofer ... or, if he doesn't want to do the work himself, or he doesn't want to take the safety risks, he now has the information he needs to hire a good roofing contractor that will give him some "peace of mind" ...

"Food" for thought,

-Bill T-

[stech323]

@MdRoofingServices I feel better about hiring someone if I know what they should be doing. Great video.

[Hunkerbunker346]

love watching other peoples techniques to roofing after doing it for 13 years myself no matter how much jobs suck there's still no other job i'd rather be doing very cool video thanks for sharing

[MdRoofingServices]

@Hunkerbunker346 Thanks very much for watching and taking the time to comment on the roofing pipe collar video. Truly appreciated. And it's true about roofing techniques -- "there is more than one way to sking a cat".

I also agree that there's no other job I would rather be doing as well.

-Bill T-

[rekamlias1]

Well done repair and video. It is nice to see a local guy do a good repair.

Best of luck with your business.

[MdRoofingServices]

@rekamlias1 Thanks for the great comment, and good luck to you as well.

-Bill T-

[TheBamaKid1962]

Thanks for posting this. I replaced all three of the vent boots myself as I couldn't get a pro to come and do this small job, dont know how much I saved but I am grateful that you posted this! If you ever have any drywall repairs that I can give you tips on, feel free to message me. Thanks again_Chris

[MdRoofingServices]

@TheBamaKid1962 Hey, Chris,

Glad you were able to take the pipe collar advice and run with it. You probably saved a few hundred bucks as well. We get a lot of do-it-yourselfers commenting and emailing.

Thanks for the offer of drywalling tips -- I'll take you up on the offer -- guaranteed!

-Bill T-

[al00bukhara]

@TheBamaKid1962

You saved a bunch buddy. I got my first quote today (in Virginia) to replace two of these collars and clean one side of the roof (It is a 1500 sq ft townhouse) with algae cleaner. Guess how much was the quote.

$990 (That's nine hundred and ninety dollars). Ridiculous.....I'll see how much others quote.

[coldsud17]

I don't know if you showed it but where you had to pop the old shingles up so you could get to the nails holding the ones you removed. did you reseal them with the caulk because usually if it's an older roof they won't reseal that well or at all causing a tab blow off.

[MdRoofingServices]

@coldsud17 That's a great observation, and very important. Yes, in addition to sealing around the pipe collar (to prevent wind driven rain from being forced under the shingles on the slick metal surface of the pipe collar) with Geocel Tripolymer Sealant -- I always put a "quarter size" application under old shingles that have been lifted up too.

Location of the Geocel is about one inch up from the bottom of the tab, right in the center.

Thanks!

-Bill T-

[signupsigma]

@MdRoofingServices ?????

[johnnyroofer]

If it looks good and it doesn't leak, it's been done correctly.  Time/labor is too expensive for me to do them this way, but it works! I have learned to peel the rubber boot off the aluminum, cut the o-ring off the bottom, then slid it down over the original cracked leaking boot. I can redo a whole house in under 5 minutes of being on the roof. That really cuts down on our labor costs/adds to the profit. And it still looks good and it doesn't leak.

[MdRoofingServices]

Thanks for replying, Johnny.

I understand the labor cost issues, but I've been called to repair pipe collars that have been repaired this way. It seems some roof repair guys don't pay attention to where the flange integrates with the shingles (especially on the plastic units) and sometimes overlook issues like cracking, cracked shingles, etc.

Be careful out there; one "callback" would be a lot more expensive and damaging to your reputation than $50 to $100 for labor to replace the whole unit.

[jvhamby5]

@MdRoofingServices

I totally agree with looking at the entire envelope instead of the rubber grommet. Great Point!

[2miangels]

@johnnyroofer THAT"S BULL MY FRIEND YOU JUST CUTTING CORNERS,TIME/LABOR? HOW MUCH DO U CHARGE TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK? $25.00

THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT!!!!!

[neworleansjim]

Any ideas how I could fix the pipe collar on an electrical riser without disconnecting the power? The upper portion of the rubber has a BIG hole. I was thinking of cutting a collar at the bottom with tin snips and laying it on top of the old collar. Then maybe laying rubber from another collar under the split and using a tripolymer sealant. A roofer suggested filling the hole with MP-1 sealant. Otherwise we need an electrician.

[2miangels]

@neworleansjim GET A LEAD PIPE JACK ,MAKE A VERTICAL CUT ALL THE WAY FROM THE BASE TO THE TOP OPEN UP THE PIPE JACK WRAP IT AROUND THE ELECTRIC PIPE APPLY LEXEL SEALANT ON THE JOINT AND INSTALL 2 CLAMPS TO KEEP THE SEAM CLOSE (MOSTLY OF ELECTRIC PIPE ARE 2" ) ONE ON LOWER PART AND ONE ON THE TOP,OF COURSE SHINGLES AROUND BASE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED TO REMOVE EXISTING PIPE JACK.

[neworleansjim]

@2miangels Thanks. It's good to know

[jvhamby5]

@2miangels

Squirrels eat lead! Bad Idea.

[StalkerSwim]

You've done this before

[lCaHackSl]

I wonder how long it actually takes them to fit a new one ?? Because i cant assume it takes 4 minuits ;D

[ponch1234]

OMG someone who actually knows how to do it. yaaaaaaaay

[MdRoofingServices]

Thanks for the good words, Ponch. Yes, it can be a real hassle trying to find someone that can replace pipe collars on their roof correctly.

-Bill T-

[gregboehme]

Thanks for posting this.. gives DIY'er good idea of what to do, although hate getting on townhouse roof. Too bad don't service Frederick, may have givin ya a call !

[RoofingVids]

Thanks, Greg, for the good words. Yeah, be careful on that townhouse roof, especially in Frederick where the winds do BLOW . . .

-Bill T-

[josephaspinall]

I woulda kept the old flashing and kept the old shingles and went up there with a tube of silicone and a six pack spent 45 minutes and charged 175 bucks!

[MdRoofingServices]

Nice work Joseph! You must be one of my competitors. We see that stuff all the time -- then we take pictures of the caulk and the beer cans and show 'em to our customer! (Then their head explodes -- and if you're licensed -- well, you know what happens) ;-)

I figure you're kidding . . . I hope!

-Bill T-

[ajaytheroofer]

I,m a roofing contractor and I,m amazed at how good Bill is.I watch his videos to learn my trade better.I love how he put the Geo cell around the pipe collar flashing. I,m going to make that standard practice for us now.

[jimmysmokepot]

Wow you just learned that their just giving out contractor's licenses....

[makingitwork4me]

Hello. My name is Patty and I work for Geocel. Thank you so much for using our products. We have a new product called Geocel 4500 Roof Bonding Sealant. If you would like a sample please give us a call. It is the perfect product for this application.

[MdRoofingServices]

Arran, I know you're half kidding around; that's OK. You do your pipe collars the way you want brother.

And about the videos . . . customers that need pipe collars now know what to call them . . . they now know what's leaking up there . . . and they know to call us to put them on! Real cool.

I appreciate you stopping by though and giving me a hard time, Come on back anytime.

BT - the pipe collar king!

[arrangreenleaf]

The flashing is the incorrect pitch for that roof....see we have'nt even started with installation yet... he can't get the materials right after 32 years what makes any one think he's gonna learn how to install a pipe flashing from any of us from comments on a video blog.

You don't want to get me started installation.

See the nail he did'nt like that he just chucked down the roof...bet he did'nt pick that up on his way down... sure customer loved that.

See Bill its the little things.

[MdRoofingServices]

Arran, come on, it's only a 6/12 pitch; perfect for that pipe collar.

I always keep the roof magnet up there and toss the old and "other" nails at the magnet -- never hit the ground . . .

Most of the time we're replacing the old plastic pipe collars with the aluminum, so it's definitely a step up. Sometimes I'll do 70 to 90 a week. We go through boxes of them so fast ABC can't keep enough in stock!

Hate to see what the guys with about 10 leads in stock would do when I came around!

[arrangreenleaf]

1st & most important thing I can't get passed & screems rookie is he's there to replace a dry rotted peace of crap Neopreme/Rubber pipe flashing that last about 12-14 years & what did he bring to the party..lol..a peace of crap Neopreme/Rubber pipe flashing that last about 12-14 years, if your an old timer you should know 1, Leads are the only pipe flashing to buy, No Excuses 2, that ABC Sucks. No real roofer goes to ABC 3 He should know where to get leads cuzz he does this all the time.

[MdRoofingServices]

I agree with you that "leads" are good, Arran, but:

1. They're very expensive and this roof won't last another 12-14 years

2. They don't work very well with plastic pipes -- better on cast iron and copper

3. For some reason the dang squirrels in this area eat around the tops and make them useless. I have a picture of one around here somewhere -- I'll find it.

[baseballgrader]

leads to hell with them squirrells eat them in about 2 months stick with the plastic

[MdRoofingServices]

Yeah, you're not the only one that noticed that baseballgrader. Many roofers don't know what caused those "teethmarks", they just scratch their head and say something like, "that' weird!"

Have to disagree with the plastic, thought. The aluminum/neoprene units do a better job, plus they don't warp or crack at the base ;-)

-Bill T-

[dmj524]

absolutly WRONG ! the first shingle was supposed to be carried around the stack pipe flashing , if you tar a flashing it stops water from escaping as well. this is my 20th summer of this roofing stuff

[MdRoofingServices]

OK, dmj . . . thanks for the comment. 3 things:

1. The first shingle IS around the pipe flashing.

2. Tar should never be used on asphalt shingles. Use Geocel Tripolymer Sealant to PREVENT wind-driven water from entering . . . there will be none to escape.

3. Your 20th summer? Your profile says you're 28 -- man, if you were roofing when you were 8 years old, whoever let you up there needs a good talking to . . .

Keep watching,

Bill Thomas, Home Restorations Md

[clintgandy]

Thank you for posting this. I've never seen it done before, and this was helpful.

[MdRoofingServices]

You're welcome clintgandy; I appreciate the comment . . .

Bill T.

[roofbutcher]

Good weave. Didn't need the caulking, but not a big deal. Nice easy fix on three-tab, wait 'till you do one on an ice-belted arc job, differant story. Tear-offs are my bag. When you are ready to see how that's done, you know where to look.

[acann888]

nice job on the repair... but i will put my 8 years in roofing to ur 32 to say that the first 2 singles u put on that boot should have been cut around the pipe not tucked under the existing shingles... other then that... good job

[eddiesdada]

Since I have not installed a cheap pipe boot like that, my opinion is possibly misguided on my previous reply.

No Harm, No foul.

Ed

[MdRoofingServices]

Ha ha, stop it my friend -- it's the best one that the Roof Center and ABC Supply sell us . . .

I know you've been doing this a long time too, probably more than my 32 years. After a while,

everything looks "upside down." No harm, no foul.

Gotta like the Geocel though, eh?? The best, I think. Thanks and keep watching.

Bill T.

[eddiesdada]

I have seen your videos before and admire your passion to show people the right way to install various items, but you made one glaring mistake in this one. The pipe boot is installed with the bottom flange positioned at the top side of the pipe. It is upside down. Please take a fresh look yourself and see.

Ed The Roofer

[DetroitWoW]

I've done alot of quality inspections on homes built and one of the things to look out for are the boots being sealed properly.

[FreeFallin1976]

Nice video. My house is 10 years old, and one of the boots just now started to leak in the attick. No ceiling damage yet. I had a roofer out to replace that boot. So, we'll see if it was a good job when it rains again.

[96radster]

thanks so much you saved me a lot of mula , by fixing it myself ..

[Sharkie626]

I think the caulking is a good idea since the pipe collar doesn't have a sealant strip and it can help give the shingle tab better resistance to the wind when it is put on.

[baseballgrader]

I agree no caulk needed on boots. But when you install a new one on an old roof it is a good idea. Why you might say. well then, the old shingles tar strip is worn out and not as good as it was. So add caulk it's a good idea

[MdRoofingServices]

Hi baseballgrader. It's always a good idea to use Geocel Tripolymer Sealant around pipe collars (as seen in the vids) to protect against "wind driven rain". Sealing strips on shingles don't actually help, especially on "3-tabs" where the sealant is on the top surface of the shingle . . . ;-]

[jvhamby5]

@MdRoofingServices

I want to let everyone know that shingles are not meant to be water proof by design. Shingles are designed to be water shedding products not water proof. So sealant can create water dams and reverse back flow that cause water to leak and not to shed properly. Sealant should never be relied on to keep a roof from leaking simply because it will all fail eventually. Geocel 2300 is my choice sealant for counter flashing , kickout flashings and not for boots or other penetrations

[oregonshreddin]

I dont think anyone should have to apply any caulking around pipe flashings, if you lay your shingles right. That makes me think you dont trust how you laid your shingles. just a thought.....

[nathan4288]

when in doubt, caulk it out. Water will find a way through anything it seems. It's much easier to add caulking and better ensure your roof than too have to replace shingles and sheathing later due to water damage. Most of the time people don't realize water damage until it gets to their ceiling where you then have to replace sheetrock. It's just a big hastle. Always better safe than sorry.

[wyrdwyrd]

It's too bad you guys are in MD instead of MO.