@thesiknik Actually SteveO is 100% correct as I had said over a couple years ago. I wouldn't flame someone unless you knew they were wrong. Kinda leaves you standing with your dick in your hand lookin like a troll.
Watch the MotoGP guys powerslide (well, not so much these days with traction control and all) and the difference between them ending in a high side and pulling off a cool power slide is throttle control.
@ezelder i never said he was wrong mate! calm down!
Powerslide comes from balence and lean angle more so, throttles arnt that responsive on road bikes, if you rode a litre bike with any skill you'd know this!
to avoid a highside u have to ease off the throttle smoothly when u start sliding, easy to say hard to do because of the reaction u get when u start sliding
ouch looks like he bounced after he hit the pavement. i met a guy at work today who just dumped his bike because some jackass in a car cut him off and slammed on his brakes on the highway and he couldnt go to the hospital because he had to go to work and get everybody all set up and he's wrist was all fucked up.
@GoproNoob You want to roll the throttle gradually and progressively so you apply smooth power to the rear wheel. It would be better to stay on the gas. Chopping the throttle would be the worst thing to do.
@GoproNoob low side and slide when you dont let the throttle off, or high side and fly like you saw when you completely let go of the throttle and the back wheel all of a sudden gets traction again and isnt behind the front...judge for yourself. Me - ill take the slide
"When in doubt, power out." I've always heard this applied to offroading, rarely to street driving though. I suppose it would've lightened the blow here
High sides are usually caused by getting the rear tire spinning & going into an oversteer. As long as you keep the rear tire spinning, you will either powerslide the turn, or lowside.
You cause a highside when you chop the throttle & the rear tire stops spinning. Then all of a sudden you have a lot of traction and the tire is not pointed in the direction of travel & acts like a huge brake.
The bike will then violently flop in the direction of travel, throwing the rider into the air.
@TravianCollege The Jesuits or Sons of Loyola are a group of nefarious criminals that work to bring the whole world under the subjection of the Papacy. This organization was founded by Ignatius Loyola in 1534 and was persecuted by the Papacy until it was recognized as her best ally. The Jesuits have ever been in the battle against the Protestant reformation and this has always been their signal purpose.
A couple curves. When you are cranked over, you cannot see behind you with your mirrors. I dont do the GP look back thing on public roads very much, too dangerous to not look at what (or who) is coming at you. So the only time you can see behind you is during Left/Right transitions when your bike is up, or nearly up.
There is an old saying in motorcycles that is very true: when in doubt, gas it. In the case of a slide, if you are in doubt and gas it, likely you will instantly low side. Which is ALWAYS going to be better than a highside. Slides can be tough for a novice to intermediate rider. Natural instinct is to remove the input causing the problem. IE Shut off the gas. The problem is the instant traction causes the bike to highside because you are going in one direction while your tires are pointed
in another direction. Which is ultimately what causes the crash. Highsides are haneously violent because you get catapulted from the bike or thrown and slammed to the ground.
The CORRECT thing to do in a slide is to maintain throttle input and ever so gently ease off until traction is regained or keep on it and let the bike gain traction. This will prevent sudden traction when "crossed up." But that is a learned behavior derrived from experience and not an instinctive response.
Your minds natural instinct is "throttle caused slide, stop throttle." Kind of like "this water is boiling, remove hand." So the experience will retrain your body to ride it out. Crossing up (backing in, drifting, what ever term you like) a 400+lb street bike with control and precision takes practice. You must conquer the fear before you can control the instinct.
As far as correcting, most people tend to correct by shutting off throttle. And yes, this will cause you much pain.
when I feel my tire slide out while on the mountains or racetrack, not only do I try to ease the throttle but also I learned to hit my gauge knee against the tank to bring it up also. Not too hard though cuz then u will abruptly come straight up. The best thing though is proper throttle control.
I just hit a dear at a 140 km with my tire, and the adreniline forced this memery out, when in don't doudt ;gas it. It worked!!! Went straight as an arrow, saved me and the bike, thanxs dog!
I cannot say that "when in doubt, gas it" works for all scenarios. My reference to that was for low/high side. If you think you are going to low side, gas it. That way you are sure to low side. Which is alwas going to be easier on you, your bike and your pocket than a high side.
probably a diesel spill on blood mt.. I hit some coolant last year there and bit the dust but rode it home ;-) thank god for throttle when you hit something slick or it would have been a nasty high side.
Not very long actually. . .a few seconds. The problem with Blood mountain is it can be difficult and dangerous to turn around. The video really doesnt do the banking and blind corners much justice. That and the fact when you are cranked over, its hard to see behind you in your mirrors, so you catch a glipse during transitions.
Ah dude, same thing just happened to my buddy two weeks ago. We were rolling down some country roads and stopped after a bit just to talk and we took off again, and at the second curve, he slides off the bike and goes sliding into a ditch, I was behind him though and saw the whole thing, and I almost busted my ass trying to stop too. He made it out ok though, with just a scratch on his side, and his bike was still drivable too, just scratches and broken mirrors, thank GOD for the gear he wore!
Last night a good friend of mine gave me front row seats to a 45mph high side. He pretty much wrote off his K7 GSXR1000. It's a scary thing to whitness for yourself in real life. Video's like this give little justice to the observer as to how serious these things are and how f'ing fast they happen. It takes a MAD rider to save something like this. I have a few times, but most just can't or don't. If you havn't pushed it to this point, go to the track, not the street to find that limit. Be safe!!
He was correct for the most part. You could both be considered wrong as well if you are anal about it. The reality is you do not jump of the gas or stay on the gas, you slowly release the gas the tire can regain traction gradually and give you a chance of saving it. Kill the throttle and you grip right away, compress the shocks, then comes the launch. If you keep the gas, then you just keep sliding..UNLESS the original slide caused by small patch of sand and you then get to clean pavement.
I'm glad your friend is alright. Unfortunately these things happen. The best we can do is learn from em, prepare preload before entry and follow through with the technique we know. If thats not enough, then at least now he knows for future rides. Ride safe :)
Yeah, most new chains now seem to come shipped in a thin-ish oil for storage. Really it should be de-greased, washed & dried & then lubed with a proper chain-lube before riding. Another tip is keeping your standard chain guard on, or getting a replacement that extends as far as level with the rear edge of the back sprocket. That cuts down on some of the stuff flying onto your sidewalls and onto the important bits.
15-20 seconds. Vid is deceiving. Curves are sharp, banked and blind and mirrors when leaning are worthless. (do you even ride?) I ride typically faster than my buddy, if I don't see him, I slow down. I had to find a safe place to turn around. There is a 3rd friend behind him, he was covered. You don't see the 1-1.5hr wait for the ambulance, driving 300 miles until 2am recovering a bike and going to a hospital to get him. We don't roll like that dude.
Of course I was. I have a ride to ride too you know. I can't spend all my time looking back and putting myself in danger. I have ridden on the street for many years and on the track for many as well. It's not like I am a noob fucktard with 1 inch chicken strips that can only ride wheelies, posing on the internet like I am a real rider. I live it, talk it and walk it.
No it wasn't a one piece. It was Joe ROcket leather pants and a Joe ROcket Pascal Picote leather jacket. . . .with a 360 zipper. Thanks to the ambulance the pants were converted to shorts (not even even length at that) and the jacket was trashed by them. They unzipped it and cut both sleve the entire length to get it off.
Thats regular procedure man,if something was really wrong,trying to take off the pants/jacket in a normal fashion would have just injured him more...precuations for the safety of life,is worth way more,he can always get new gear...but bones/muscles...they are different :P nice video
yea, I was a paramedic for 9 years. It's funny, I told him that his leathers were gone before te ambulance got there.
Of course we didn't remove the helmet or anything. Had been a few years since I had training or had removed one, so we left it to the medics who had current training/experience.
well seeing as this vid was posted in june the pavement was hot enough to stick so that wasnt the problem. anylub. that you put on your chain would have worn off your tire by the time you got to that point of the mnt. no matter wether you rode or trailered up. so looking at your vid. you simply gave it to much gas (and stayed in it) and it spun out, then gripped while you were lstill in a full lean. you just need to to learn when to let off the gas.
if you lose your back end and let off the throttle, you'll get grip and highside anyway. if the back end steps out too far, the best thing to do is to stay on the throttle and let the back end slid out. Obviously we try not to wreck but I'll take a lowside over a highside any day
your so funny. you have no idea who the fuck i am or what i have done or do im my life and yet you run your mouth like you know me. i am plenty educated in the art of riding and racing sportbikes. so when you come at me with your shit talking, you better come correct.
Actually spartan, I have 19 years of street expirience on sportbikes, drag racing bikes and road racing. The prefered action in this situation IS to stay on the throttle. Never slam it off. But you obviously now more than us, so I won't try to teach you anything.
who ever is talking shit about the rider... shit happens, riders skill wasnt dead correct, but at the moment ur rideing you dont always have time to react, just bad luck to this rider
This is a video of me, I didnt grab the rear brake <that's a novice mistake>, The tire looks as if it has some sort of oily substance on it and the guys I was riding with thought I just went beyond the lean angle.
Definately no rear break. We noticed the oily substance too, Brad and I think it was that new chain and the factory lube slinging off all day combined with lean angle.
You know there is about another 1.5 minutes of video after this. At those lean angles the mirrors only show pavement. I eventually looked back and saw no one then turned around. LOL
rip headphone users
xxedoxxx 3 months ago
Stevo, who the fuck are you gert arm chair health n safety officer, i bet u aint ever riden a sportsbike!
thesiknik 4 months ago
@thesiknik Actually SteveO is 100% correct as I had said over a couple years ago. I wouldn't flame someone unless you knew they were wrong. Kinda leaves you standing with your dick in your hand lookin like a troll.
Watch the MotoGP guys powerslide (well, not so much these days with traction control and all) and the difference between them ending in a high side and pulling off a cool power slide is throttle control.
ezelder 4 months ago
@ezelder i never said he was wrong mate! calm down!
Powerslide comes from balence and lean angle more so, throttles arnt that responsive on road bikes, if you rode a litre bike with any skill you'd know this!
thesiknik 3 months ago
HE LOOKED KINDA RUBBERY
oCannabusdriver 1 year ago
to avoid a highside u have to ease off the throttle smoothly when u start sliding, easy to say hard to do because of the reaction u get when u start sliding
SteveO1988 1 year ago
ouch looks like he bounced after he hit the pavement. i met a guy at work today who just dumped his bike because some jackass in a car cut him off and slammed on his brakes on the highway and he couldnt go to the hospital because he had to go to work and get everybody all set up and he's wrist was all fucked up.
MaraJade13243 1 year ago
I just made this run today! I love blood mtn! =]
wrecks are no good tho =/
screename9520 1 year ago
Ouch, a perfect way to end a perfect day :( it's sad seeing this happen, hope he was okay!
VollgasHero 2 years ago
Too much throttle, shut it off ( survival reaction )= high side.
geritolwhamfan 2 years ago
@geritolwhamfan lol , twist of the wrist 2 eh? -.-
RenaultSport133 2 years ago
@RenaultSport133 You know it brother. Read all of the books. Classic survival reaction. When it doubt, gas it. Ride safe !!!!
geritolwhamfan 2 years ago
im a fairly new rider, so the better reaction would be to keep throttle open and just lowside it?
GoproNoob 1 year ago
@GoproNoob You want to roll the throttle gradually and progressively so you apply smooth power to the rear wheel. It would be better to stay on the gas. Chopping the throttle would be the worst thing to do.
geritolwhamfan 1 year ago
That sounds good :) Thank you.
GoproNoob 1 year ago
@GoproNoob You are welcome. Ride safe
geritolwhamfan 1 year ago
@GoproNoob low side and slide when you dont let the throttle off, or high side and fly like you saw when you completely let go of the throttle and the back wheel all of a sudden gets traction again and isnt behind the front...judge for yourself. Me - ill take the slide
xmadcrackerx 1 year ago
You mean upper left corner (my other right) haha. Glad your ok.
sacrificeapprentice 2 years ago
I am dislexic? LOL I never noticed that.
ezelder 2 years ago
A fine example of a highside......
schwantz037 2 years ago
"When in doubt, power out." I've always heard this applied to offroading, rarely to street driving though. I suppose it would've lightened the blow here
ohkeva 2 years ago
what causes a crash like that?
mrwalliekat 2 years ago
High sides are usually caused by getting the rear tire spinning & going into an oversteer. As long as you keep the rear tire spinning, you will either powerslide the turn, or lowside.
You cause a highside when you chop the throttle & the rear tire stops spinning. Then all of a sudden you have a lot of traction and the tire is not pointed in the direction of travel & acts like a huge brake.
The bike will then violently flop in the direction of travel, throwing the rider into the air.
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@TravianCollege The Jesuits or Sons of Loyola are a group of nefarious criminals that work to bring the whole world under the subjection of the Papacy. This organization was founded by Ignatius Loyola in 1534 and was persecuted by the Papacy until it was recognized as her best ally. The Jesuits have ever been in the battle against the Protestant reformation and this has always been their signal purpose.
bornbythesea 6 months ago
Such a common injury in these cases. Glad to hear your friend is better.
Have you any idea what caused the slide? Spillage or too much throttle too early.
Thanks
Richard
CHOPERUS23 2 years ago
how long did it take for you to notice the rider was down?
anipussirhc 3 years ago
A couple curves. When you are cranked over, you cannot see behind you with your mirrors. I dont do the GP look back thing on public roads very much, too dangerous to not look at what (or who) is coming at you. So the only time you can see behind you is during Left/Right transitions when your bike is up, or nearly up.
ezelder 3 years ago
they(motorcycles) seem to highside when you try and correct the slide,should you go ahead and lowside if you were to find yourself doing this?
ronaldsmusicfactory 3 years ago
There is an old saying in motorcycles that is very true: when in doubt, gas it. In the case of a slide, if you are in doubt and gas it, likely you will instantly low side. Which is ALWAYS going to be better than a highside. Slides can be tough for a novice to intermediate rider. Natural instinct is to remove the input causing the problem. IE Shut off the gas. The problem is the instant traction causes the bike to highside because you are going in one direction while your tires are pointed
ezelder 3 years ago
in another direction. Which is ultimately what causes the crash. Highsides are haneously violent because you get catapulted from the bike or thrown and slammed to the ground.
The CORRECT thing to do in a slide is to maintain throttle input and ever so gently ease off until traction is regained or keep on it and let the bike gain traction. This will prevent sudden traction when "crossed up." But that is a learned behavior derrived from experience and not an instinctive response.
ezelder 3 years ago
Your minds natural instinct is "throttle caused slide, stop throttle." Kind of like "this water is boiling, remove hand." So the experience will retrain your body to ride it out. Crossing up (backing in, drifting, what ever term you like) a 400+lb street bike with control and precision takes practice. You must conquer the fear before you can control the instinct.
As far as correcting, most people tend to correct by shutting off throttle. And yes, this will cause you much pain.
ezelder 3 years ago
wonderful explanation of proper throttle control thru a slide. good on ya mate
skingraph666 2 years ago 5
when I feel my tire slide out while on the mountains or racetrack, not only do I try to ease the throttle but also I learned to hit my gauge knee against the tank to bring it up also. Not too hard though cuz then u will abruptly come straight up. The best thing though is proper throttle control.
viper22jc 2 years ago
I just hit a dear at a 140 km with my tire, and the adreniline forced this memery out, when in don't doudt ;gas it. It worked!!! Went straight as an arrow, saved me and the bike, thanxs dog!
anipussirhc 2 years ago
I cannot say that "when in doubt, gas it" works for all scenarios. My reference to that was for low/high side. If you think you are going to low side, gas it. That way you are sure to low side. Which is alwas going to be easier on you, your bike and your pocket than a high side.
Glad your Deer situation turned out ok for you!
ezelder 2 years ago
probably a diesel spill on blood mt.. I hit some coolant last year there and bit the dust but rode it home ;-) thank god for throttle when you hit something slick or it would have been a nasty high side.
rocky5593 3 years ago
Upper left corner, surely...? Hope the guy's ok and back on his feet.
wavymanofscience 3 years ago
Yes, had a broken collar bone. Took a while to heal totally. But he is fine and doing well. Thanks for the concern.
ezelder 3 years ago
Hey ezelder, how long did it take you to notice that he was no longer following you?
LuisG4 3 years ago
Not very long actually. . .a few seconds. The problem with Blood mountain is it can be difficult and dangerous to turn around. The video really doesnt do the banking and blind corners much justice. That and the fact when you are cranked over, its hard to see behind you in your mirrors, so you catch a glipse during transitions.
ezelder 3 years ago
Ah dude, same thing just happened to my buddy two weeks ago. We were rolling down some country roads and stopped after a bit just to talk and we took off again, and at the second curve, he slides off the bike and goes sliding into a ditch, I was behind him though and saw the whole thing, and I almost busted my ass trying to stop too. He made it out ok though, with just a scratch on his side, and his bike was still drivable too, just scratches and broken mirrors, thank GOD for the gear he wore!
LuisG4 3 years ago
Ouch. Watch out for the Lumpkin County fuzz. Talk about a-holes...
flyinwheelie 3 years ago
Last night a good friend of mine gave me front row seats to a 45mph high side. He pretty much wrote off his K7 GSXR1000. It's a scary thing to whitness for yourself in real life. Video's like this give little justice to the observer as to how serious these things are and how f'ing fast they happen. It takes a MAD rider to save something like this. I have a few times, but most just can't or don't. If you havn't pushed it to this point, go to the track, not the street to find that limit. Be safe!!
toctuning 3 years ago
He was correct for the most part. You could both be considered wrong as well if you are anal about it. The reality is you do not jump of the gas or stay on the gas, you slowly release the gas the tire can regain traction gradually and give you a chance of saving it. Kill the throttle and you grip right away, compress the shocks, then comes the launch. If you keep the gas, then you just keep sliding..UNLESS the original slide caused by small patch of sand and you then get to clean pavement.
FIXProtocol 3 years ago
Give life flight more business. They make 3 or 4 flights every weekend to this Mt. and keep the name Blood Mt. up to date.
semaj1957 3 years ago
xaxa.. LOL bitches...
Lakis46 3 years ago
LoL. Someone needs to learn throttle control.
1DiamondDust 3 years ago
Launched his ass!
PosiFaith2784 3 years ago
I'm glad your friend is alright. Unfortunately these things happen. The best we can do is learn from em, prepare preload before entry and follow through with the technique we know. If thats not enough, then at least now he knows for future rides. Ride safe :)
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NC30mad 3 years ago
idiot
tigergixxer 3 years ago
like bags of sand
jeffckd 4 years ago
Yeah, most new chains now seem to come shipped in a thin-ish oil for storage. Really it should be de-greased, washed & dried & then lubed with a proper chain-lube before riding. Another tip is keeping your standard chain guard on, or getting a replacement that extends as far as level with the rear edge of the back sprocket. That cuts down on some of the stuff flying onto your sidewalls and onto the important bits.
athanvale 4 years ago
Ah its such a bitch when that happens
it happned to me and my dad not so long ago on the RSV mille
bike and us got let off lightly so we were chuffed
hope your ok fella
MattRSV 4 years ago
oh jeez... how long did it take that front guy to notice his buddy wasn't there?
yerpaljesus 4 years ago
15-20 seconds. Vid is deceiving. Curves are sharp, banked and blind and mirrors when leaning are worthless. (do you even ride?) I ride typically faster than my buddy, if I don't see him, I slow down. I had to find a safe place to turn around. There is a 3rd friend behind him, he was covered. You don't see the 1-1.5hr wait for the ambulance, driving 300 miles until 2am recovering a bike and going to a hospital to get him. We don't roll like that dude.
ezelder 4 years ago
hahahaha just wondering, kinda looks like you were enjoying the ride too much.
yerpaljesus 4 years ago
Of course I was. I have a ride to ride too you know. I can't spend all my time looking back and putting myself in danger. I have ridden on the street for many years and on the track for many as well. It's not like I am a noob fucktard with 1 inch chicken strips that can only ride wheelies, posing on the internet like I am a real rider. I live it, talk it and walk it.
ezelder 4 years ago
ok ok simmer down friend, ferget i mentioned it.
yerpaljesus 4 years ago
mate,are you alright after that crash???
obsedatr6 4 years ago
He broke his collar bone, but was fine after all was said and done.
ezelder 4 years ago
What kind of gear was your buddy wearing..Looked like a one-piece?
mvspeed101 4 years ago
No it wasn't a one piece. It was Joe ROcket leather pants and a Joe ROcket Pascal Picote leather jacket. . . .with a 360 zipper. Thanks to the ambulance the pants were converted to shorts (not even even length at that) and the jacket was trashed by them. They unzipped it and cut both sleve the entire length to get it off.
ezelder 4 years ago
Well, maybe he shouldn't have dumped it then :P
RemyLeBleau 3 years ago
Thats regular procedure man,if something was really wrong,trying to take off the pants/jacket in a normal fashion would have just injured him more...precuations for the safety of life,is worth way more,he can always get new gear...but bones/muscles...they are different :P nice video
Recce80 3 years ago
yea, I was a paramedic for 9 years. It's funny, I told him that his leathers were gone before te ambulance got there.
Of course we didn't remove the helmet or anything. Had been a few years since I had training or had removed one, so we left it to the medics who had current training/experience.
ezelder 3 years ago
He BOUNCED off the pavement, damn!
Turppa21 4 years ago
Yup,highsides hurt.
greengoblin636 4 years ago
holy shit.. lol... i mean not funny... wow that was crazy
wcwashington 4 years ago
well seeing as this vid was posted in june the pavement was hot enough to stick so that wasnt the problem. anylub. that you put on your chain would have worn off your tire by the time you got to that point of the mnt. no matter wether you rode or trailered up. so looking at your vid. you simply gave it to much gas (and stayed in it) and it spun out, then gripped while you were lstill in a full lean. you just need to to learn when to let off the gas.
2fast4u1028 4 years ago
if you lose your back end and let off the throttle, you'll get grip and highside anyway. if the back end steps out too far, the best thing to do is to stay on the throttle and let the back end slid out. Obviously we try not to wreck but I'll take a lowside over a highside any day
SpartanLB77 4 years ago
alright there buddy you've obviously never crashed or gone to any sort of racing school. post again after you go get educated
SpartanLB77 4 years ago
your so funny. you have no idea who the fuck i am or what i have done or do im my life and yet you run your mouth like you know me. i am plenty educated in the art of riding and racing sportbikes. so when you come at me with your shit talking, you better come correct.
2fast4u1028 4 years ago
Actually spartan, I have 19 years of street expirience on sportbikes, drag racing bikes and road racing. The prefered action in this situation IS to stay on the throttle. Never slam it off. But you obviously now more than us, so I won't try to teach you anything.
ezelder 4 years ago
you prolly dont even ride, if you did and were anygood you would understand and not be such a asshole... shows ur lack of sill
mylesrenaud 4 years ago
Who you talkin to?
ezelder 4 years ago
who ever is talking shit about the rider... shit happens, riders skill wasnt dead correct, but at the moment ur rideing you dont always have time to react, just bad luck to this rider
mylesrenaud 4 years ago
He crashed either do to lean angle and too much throttle or oil.
ezelder 4 years ago
Usually high sides result from too much throttle on corner exit while leaned over. That's what this looks like.
uaafm 4 years ago
my step-dad justin told me bout this video its SICK!!!!!!
akbailey13 4 years ago
thats why i dont lube my chain by putting it on a rearstand and putting it in gear.
go in with a rag and can of lube with the little tube on it and carefully lube while rotating the wheel.
just for safe measure you can spray some chain cleaner on a rag and give the tire a once over
joegixxer 4 years ago
looks like u gave it to much gas to me..
thruan 4 years ago
This is a video of me, I didnt grab the rear brake <that's a novice mistake>, The tire looks as if it has some sort of oily substance on it and the guys I was riding with thought I just went beyond the lean angle.
tdt1972 4 years ago
Definately no rear break. We noticed the oily substance too, Brad and I think it was that new chain and the factory lube slinging off all day combined with lean angle.
You know there is about another 1.5 minutes of video after this. At those lean angles the mirrors only show pavement. I eventually looked back and saw no one then turned around. LOL
ezelder 4 years ago
dude, glad that your ok. that wast the lean angle for sure. maybe too much gas or oil on the wheel.
djqx 4 years ago
He had to have put oh his rear brake
machine82 4 years ago
nasty... what caused him or her to highside?
dodgetheruff 4 years ago