Naihanchi Sho Dan

[Vdude13]

@NONAG0N Cool :)

[Vdude13]

@NONAG0N The style she is doing is Shito-Ryu Itosu-Kai. It isn't a full horse stance, it is actually called a naihanchi stance :P The feet point inwards, while the knees try and point outwards (literary as if you are riding a horse), but the stance isn't as low as Shiko Dachi. I train with Key Tsamura in Toronto. He told me that the Kata comes from a legend about a man Naihanchi who was in charge of defending the entrance to a temple. And he had to defend sideways along the wall, hence the style

[Talis29]

This is actually quite beautiful and I appreciate it being uploaded. It's a shame that some people view their style as a religion, as if it's "the one true way" to do anything, but it's good to see that there are some here who appreciate this as much as I do.

[ptboyindenver]

I just checked out the makiwara vid. WOW! This chick is dangerous.

[Jakneife]

@NONAG0N Coming from a Goju Ryu background, I know what you mean. The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know, haha. Thanks for channel complement. I have been lax about putting up new vids but I think I have some demonstration footage of Shorinji Ryu schools doing kata in Okinawa. Maybe I can post them when a bit more time frees up.

[Jakneife]

@NONAG0N Deep Shiko Dachi = Shotokan (the Tekki series), Naihanchi Dachi = most trad. Kobayashi Shorin Ryu. I also noted wrists curled up slightly in hikete and hand-under-elbow positions but not during tsuki. As for the hikite positions themselves, I guess I don't know what is formally preferred in your system. In Shinjinbukan, they sling the hikite almost at belt-height. Are you referring to perhaps at max. speed, not fully retracting the hikite?

[mrthebillman]

Goofy wrong

[Jakneife]

@mrthebillman - Please elaborate.

[mrthebillman]

@Jakneife No pauses to demonstrate balance at the points of highest symmetry; So fast that there is no correct follow through with the strikes; As you strike to the left, you strike with the back of your wrist (ouch); Strike as a whip, but not in slow motion; and what is up with your hips? It's not the Cha Cha. I apologize for so many negative comments, But I'm an anal retentive nutjob! Please dont seek me out, and kick my butt.

[Jakneife]

@mrthebillman "Ugh! What was I thinking!?" (grins). Actually, that isn't me. Pauses and power in strikes; see reply to a l r i t z a (also see my machiwara vid; she can hit). "Wrist strike (Do you mean initial movement repeated on left?)"; we block with forearm, rotating on impact. No whipping in slow-mo; again see reply to a l r i t z a. Cha cha; yep, we're crazy about koshi, machiwara vid shows it in a less kihon format. Sorry for cryptic responses. Not enough characters.

[alritza]

a question, naihanchi shodan is a power or speed kata?

[Jakneife]

@alritza I don't know if the folks who developed the kata originally had speed or power in mind, per se. They probably were interested in both. Surely, no one has preserved the "original" version, In this case, she is focusing on eliminating all of the "counts" that are normally shown in kata. We believe that speed has more effect on power than exertion (ie, "muscling" a technique). Good question you posed! Thanks.

[Kinghercules]

She's sexy as shit!!

[negoni08]

Very good

[Jakneife]

@sebastianguis

Huh?

[jazzysinger07]

thank you jakneife for putting this video for us fellow karateka to view. just by watching you can see an undeniable understanding of the katas techniques. wonderful vid.

[dianar1]

Hi, I am not sure why you flagged my comments as "spam". I am a relatively new 1st degree black belt in Tang Soo Do Karate and I am interested in learning more about other styles of Karate (including why different styles perform techniques much faster).

[Jakneife]

Yikes! I don't think that I did. Actually, I thought that you had removed the comment yourself. Perhaps I mistakenly did so. The person before you also removed their comment although I received it privately.

If I recall, you had asked why she does the kata so quickly. Most kata are done as a series of separate techniques to a teacher's count. Another way to think about kata is without a count, trying to concentrate on all elements equally. Preserve the momentum rather than stop/start.

[dianar1]

@Jakneife

Thank you for your response. Maybe another visitor else flagged my comments as spam. Anyway, I think I understand what you are saying about preserving the momentum rather than stop/start. I've never seen a kata done this way before, but the way she does it really is stunning to watch.  Thank you!

[satoyamagato]

onaga sensei is truely a gifted karateka.

trough hard work and the guidence of her teacher she has grasped the essance of ti. this is not sport karate.

[dianar1]

Hi, I did not understand your message that you want to respond publicly. I am interested in your reply to my question.

[dragonboy8484]

Anyone who questions this based on thier own "knowledge" is truly ignorant.This Woman,has forgotten more about karate then you will ever know.

[DrSiegal]

Impresive

best nahifanchi in youtube

:)

thanks for sharing

[skullheadz28]

I think you are both being childish. I have been training Karate in Okinawa for only about 3 years and am still a beginner myself and her version is different than my style and seems incorrect to me but that may have been how she was taught. Telling someone they will never come close is childish , unless you can see the future . How would you know? And challenging people to fights is also childish. I don't understand. Isn't Karate-do supposed to be about always learning and mastering ones self ?

[Jakneife]

You're right. I took the bait and it was stupid of me. The discussion was actually at an impasse the moment it started and I shouldn't have given a rebuttal to the initial comment.

[donoberloh]

If you watch this kata in slow motion, you will see that, as any beginner does, she over emphesis her reverse hip rotstion, this is akin to winding up before you punch. Watch the limbs extending outside the body when their supposed to be in, her lack of breath control. Its the breath and muscle contractions that emphesis the proper application. She produces speed, not Kime. Even her mental focus wains. After decades we learn to notice these things as well as correct them in our students

[Jakneife]

Many people have a problem with the hip motions done at the Kyudokan and the Shinjinbukan. Fine with me if they don't like it. Could you enlighten us all to what indicated a waining mental focus? Same with breath control? And when did her limbs extend outside where they should be? According to who's version? Did you write the book on Naihanchin? Apparently, there's only one way to do the kata - your way. Onaga's lineage, knowledge and floor-time are impeccable. You'll never come close.

[Calderoni4]

it isnt her mistake, thats the way the style teaches hip movement and kata. it may be weird it may be wrong it may be correct, or maybe just different who knows.

[Specter1957]

if you are basing this on say Shotokan( JKA varient) then you have a point, however this is not a sport style of karate and the kata applications are more in line with the principals of Ti Gwa, by the way take a look at the makiwara video, it will enlighten you

[donoberloh]

Now you sound like a little child Jakneife, I think its time to put you mommy's computer away. Allowing wind bags who talk smack to stop by and test themselves is allowing them to put their money where their mouth is. No challenges are issued.

Anyone can watch renditions by Nakayama, Nishiyama, Konishi, Chokki Motobu, Mabuni, Otsuka, and see what is wrong with her rendition. Her skeletal alignment, breathing is not in sinc the biggest no-no in naihanchi is to shift your weight to one foot

[Jakneife]

I sound like a child? I suppose I could tell you to come here to Okinawa and drop by the dojo. Test yourself, right? Give me a break. You are issuing challenges. And that's pretty childish.

Her skeletal alignment is fine and you don't have a clue as to when she's breathing, regardless of your claim.

[ronin752]

Why do you say that the biggest mistake is to shift your weight to one foot?

[otokonoyama]

Mr. Oberloh, would you kindly point us to a video of naihanchi that does meet with your approval?

[donoberloh]

Only a beginner would use the term master. You might consider learning in a real Dojo and not using online info as your base of knowlege. Funny how I am confident enought to use my real name and not hide behind Jakneife. If youve read my comments to other folks than you know I have an open invitation for wannabees like yourself to stop by anytime to test yourself. Yours Truly

[Jakneife]

Your real name is really not that obvious from your handle. And there is more than enough information on my profile page to figure out who I am if it's bugging you that much.

Yeah, I've read your open invites to everyone challenging them to fights, insulting peoples' dead family members, etc. Bravo! You sound like a really swell chap. I personally don't like to fight and don't go looking for them. Furthermore, I do consider myself a beginner there, Master Donnie. STOP SMOKING WEED!

[donoberloh]

Actually the romaji IS Kyujaku, but anyway, you must just have lower standards then Im used to. You say its insulting, I say you should learn to take critism better. She looks like a Shodan or maybe even Shodan-ho to me, but then I was trying to be polite. If thats your standard for your self our your idols, then thats fine with me. All I said was i hope she someday finds a good instructor. What I should have said, is maybe someday she'll find a better instructor.

[Jakneife]

Found a reference to Kyujaku but its not in any of the online dictionaries that I could find, just references to Mas Oyama.

Thanks, Don, for all the constructive criticism. I've read quite a few of your obnoxious comments to other people and it is obvious that you're better at making enemies than friends. You just don't get it.

I do idolize Michiko and her teacher. After all, I came here to train with them. Master Oberloh idolizes himself. Go back under your bridge.

[donoberloh]

I forgot to ask?..what does Muchimi have to do witih kata enbu? Did you mean Chinkuchi? Or were you thinking about Oyogata?

[Jakneife]

Didn't realize you intended to confine the context of your cryptic Japanese terms to kata.

You used the term Kyujaku, more appropriately pronounced Kyuchaku. The closest definition that would apply in karate is "attachment". I'm not familiar with the term as it relates to karate. The closest thing I could think of was "muchimi" or sticking. From my limited experience, teachers use different terms arbitrarily. Enlighten me, ObiWan.

Shodan, eh? Have you watched any other footage of Michiko?

[donoberloh]

If you think its about winning and losing your mistake. This performance is not theversion Chibana Sensei taught in the sixties, as it has too many Japanese influences. It is not Naifuanchin and not Tekki. Regardless the student is only as good as the instructor. Which is my original comment. For a shodan it would be acceptable

[Jakneife]

Your original comment was that you hope she finds a good instructor. What a nasty and rude comment, with your profile devoid of karate background. I think for you this is about winning. You have been pretty much baiting me & I've not said a word about your teachers.

For Michiko's Naihanchin, the sequence is the same as Chibana's, which I have footage of. The obvious differences involve the emphasis on koshi and high speed...which is one of many ways to practice and self-test a kata.

[donoberloh]

Hope she eventually finds a good instructor

[Jakneife]

Would you be speaking from first-hand experience with her instructor or simply 1 minute and 55 seconds of video and not liking what you see? There's no background on your profile that even indicates that you train. It's the typical troll disguise - well done!

[donoberloh]

Masatoshi Nakayama taught me Tekki kata in 1971, Jiro Ohtsuke in 1976 corrected my Naihanchi that I was taught by Soshin Nagamine, Ive been training and teaching since 1961, so, yes, I think its not her fault, it would be her instructors fault. and Jakneife, when you train longer youll understand that its not about power as there is always someone stronger, or speed as it wains with age, It is only about , hyoshi, choshi, kyujaku, and lets not forget the correct kyusho mato.

[Jakneife]

Michiko's teacher, Onaga Yoshimitsu, demonstrated kata publicly in Okinawa at Itosu's 1964 memorial celebration. This memorial was organized by Chibana Choshin, who asked Higa Yuchoku to perform kata. Higa sensei had Onaga sensei do it instead, claiming he had already taught him everything he knows. That should be testimony enough of his skill. Michiko knows plenty about timing, rhythm, sticking/ muchimi(?), and let's not forget vital targets. You've trained longer...so I guess you win!

[123456jk789]

unnecessary movements of the hips... hmmm... you want power (real power) you move your hips as the sensei shown is doing. And PS, its not moving the hips, she not doing the hoola hoop. Her hara is where her energy comes from and what you see with the hips "moving" is just the visible result.

[Specter1957]

here is a perfect example of Koshi( using the snap of the hips to generate speed and power) its funny the number of people that do not have a grasp of the concept, but then again they havent been training nearly long enough

[antwan182010]

kata is kat everyone does it differently

[MajinSaha]

Looks like Tekki Shodan

[Jakneife]

Yes, once Shotokan was formed, it's versions of a lot (if not all) of the Okinawan kata have been given Japanese names in place of Okinawan Hogen. Anyone else want to shed some more light on this?

[Koryuhoka]

It is Tekki Shodan - but in its original form.

[pama4242]

Yea, ok, no problem :)

[pama4242]

Best performance of Naihanchi Shodan I've ever seen, Great

[ebrithil212]

i disagree. i found a lot of the movements unnecessary, like the amount of hip action. sounds very biased, but one of my senseis does it much better.

[pama4242]

I can't believe you'd say that :)) Put him on here, promise it won't be better, you could take a vote or something

[ebrithil212]

lol. a) i havent seen him in a long while, hes busy with work, travels a lot. b) doubt he would let me film him for the sake of comparison lol. im also biased in the fact that i do a different style than shown here, which is of course superior:P.

[FiasaPower]

What is "unnecessary moves" for you ? Kata isn't a beautiful dance who allows you gain medals in tournaments , but hidden knowledge .

"Does it better" , doesn't exist when we talking about kata . You must UNDERSTAND it better .

[brasshandmartialarts]

The hip movements are based in her style, do the back ground of fumio sensei before you speak. The hip movements is where the power comes from in this kata, ask any Shotokan-ka and they will even tell you the same thing as with kajukenpo-ka

[Peekingduck]

Awesome.

Read below and it struck me as people criticize this or that, that a kata is never absolutely 'finished' as 'the proverb has it'

This young lady might be getting really close though.

Thanks for the clip.

Superb

[drmark10]

It may look useless to you because you do not know it. To see it performed is the lowest level of understanding.  I could give you some good examples of Bunkai ( kata interpretation) but only reading those will still give very little understanding of naihanchi or any kata. Only after training over time do you get the seasoned Knowledge, intelligence, wisdom to the point of no mind of kata. To those who train it properly it has great use.

[lynxSSJ]

but this looks cool when she does it :O ...BTW please check out the TEKKI SHODAN kata! That's the naihanchi of shotokan!

[lynxSSJ]

ok..you have no idea how STRANGE and useless this looks to me :| ..I'm not saying that that it IS useless I'm just saying this is how it looks to me! Compared to the shotokan tekki which in my opinion will brake your teeth and splatter your brains on the pavement if applied right!

[Jakneife]

In Goju Ryu, I used to do San Chin so hard people were afraid my head was going to explode. There were other kata I'd do where I muscled the techniques too. Now, I view kata as a way of practicing kihon versions of techniques, not solo choreography of a fight. Look at how she moves in the makiwara video. She's not muscling movements, but relying on bio-mechanics. A 95 lb. woman can't thrash her opponent through strength. She has only technique/speed to rely on. No one I know can hit that hard.

[ranta70]

At CQC range only correct bio-mechanics can generate speed and power - Tekki is a bastardized version of the kata designed solely to maximize the physical training aspects of the movements - now that's fine as long as one understands that, but one shouldn't criticize what isn't known or understood!

[lynxSSJ]

wow..look..a tekki! :O

[zankwack]

Very nice!!

[jjleonard1]

In my short tome studying Shoryn ryu, all of the masters have stressed that power is in the hips. Like her or not , she has the hips moving.

[Specter1957]

seems like the boys from brazil dont like this performance of Naifaunchi....but then again I looked at their profiles....neither of them appear to practice martial arts

[ranta70]

Superb performance, truely brings this Kata to "life" and illustrates the CQC application efficiency of these movements when performed with correct body dynamics.

Thanks to "Jakneife" for posting!

[aiko4321]

Interesting...

[scripes]

VERY BAD.

That's a dance, not a fight.

[Jakneife]

I'm confident in her ability to use just about any of the techinques from this kata. She's done it slow and also with more power. And her punching skills speak for themselves (see machiwara vids). There are numerous ways to perform a kata. Within the confines of proper positioning of the arms, legs, torso and overall body mechanics, it is the most skillfull high-speed rendition of any kata I've seen. She knows this kata inside and out. But...you can't please everyone.

[HymnOfTheForest]

@Jakneife couldn't agree more

[Koryuhoka]

Very bad???

Either you're joking or you're not a practitioner at all. This is a great demonstration of kata.

[Jandira1221SMtv]

very bad ...

she dances very...=(

[naruto199511]

hey i know that kata!!! :D

[homidontpl8]

The key is the hip rotation, which is rediculously hard to do in the naihanchi series

[naruto199511]

indeed... i have been studying shorin-ryu karate for about 2 or so years and i am testing for my next belt soon, the Kata i need for my test is naihanchi nidan.

[KSICHETO08]

a favoritos

[smelsliketeen]

That is SO AMAZING!

I have no words to say it..AMAZING!

Michiko Onaga..shi is thin and small but she's got so big power and energy.

AMAZING!GRAIT!UNBELIVABLE!

[marceloaldo]

es un hermoso video del verdaderoo karate envien mas