Dynamic braking uses electrical resistance to slow the traction motors down on the trucks.
in order to create the resistance to slow the motors large resistors are mounted above the engine and the current created by the free rolling motors in the trucks is fed into them,
the fans are there to keep the resistors cool, and obviously, no fan, no cooling, resistors melt down.
That tonnage is why our roadbeds are so torn up and I costs so much to fix it for high speed rail. Check the ton per axle world wide and u will see the truth!!!!!!!!
Sd40-2 the backbone of both Union Pacific and Burlington Northern during the late 70's and 80's.Very dependable engines still used today Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern have rebuilding programs going on at Altoona and North Little Rock
GMO1107.....goofball......unless it is a new switcher...they don't have CAT's a few of their "Test Switchers" have road truck diesels in them...but this, is a good ol' EMD.....(Electromotive Division of General Motors at the time) that was a cooling fan exiting its casing and causing some serious damage.
def. not the turbo lol had it been the turbo there would have been oil spraying all over the place and the engine would be blowing white/grey smoke like crazy
You cant really blame a grid failure on lack of maintenance. Grids absorb 1200 amps and the only way to test them, is to load with 1200 amps - load test. if you told a shop foreman that you wanted to change a grid because it looked bad during inspection, he would laugh you out of the shop.
I guess timing really is everything. Hope the Dash-2 survived; nowadays a blown turbo would probably be enough to retire the unit and another dead 645 engine is the saddest thing in railroading.
@DeserTBoB93535 Scrimping on maintenance results in a loss of profit....not more profit. The books are carefully audited. And givin the announcements made this week UP had another amazing year.
End of story?
They are going to be around a long time hauling heavy tonnage profitably. No, I do not think it is the end of story.
@charlieb640 Oh sure...go right ahead and believe that. Ask anyone who works on that road (except officials)...stUPid sucks. Ask any shipper in the San Joaquin Valley...stUPid sucks. SP may have been bankrupted by An-shits and Chuckie Krebs, but at least we could get the trains down the road! Remember when stUPid lost shipments for MONTHS AT A TIME after the SoP-UP? That's because they're....stUPid.
@charlieb640 You people are Goddam idiots. Blowing up your chest and saying "my railroad is better than your railroad!" Who fucking cares? You're like little boys claiming their dads can beat up anybody. Just shut up and enjoy the trains already!
did anyone notice that huge part fly out the top? I often watch these videos and see people standing less than 20ft from the track and i sometimes wonder what if something fell off and hit someone.
Guys, don't worry about trying to reason with bsnfmanifests.......trolls are impossible to reason with. Besides, what little he knows about railroads is laughable. I don't know as much about railroads as I would like, but I know when to defer to those who DO know. bnsfmanifests is hiding behind youtube to sound like an idiot, because he doesn't have the stones to do it in person.
U.P at their finest for you! Right there for you! Again folks, this is the reason why U.P. is one of the most dangerous railroads on the face of the planet! You never see NS having incidents like this!
@charlieb640 yeah, he doesn't take criticism too well.....anyone that writes anything other than oh-you're-so-right comments, he flames 'em, then blocks 'em from his Youtube site. Yet, he'll still go out and shoot UP videos. If you want a laugh, go see his stupd comments on Walmart employees rounding up carts in the parking lot. Now, what he was doing in a Walmart parking lot at night by himself.......we'll never know. LOL
@friscobob56 Hey moron! At least I'm not someone who goes around telling everyone that I'm a "joint operations railroad employee" that works for two different rival railroads.
@friscobob56 You want to know what I was doing in the parking lot? Do you really want to find out? Are you jealous because you weren't in the parking lot with me? It kind of sounds like you are! And if you want a good laugh, ask your boyfriend chalieb640 what he was thinking when he made a comment on YouTube stating that he's a "joint operations employee" for two totally different railroads when realistically speaking, that is not possible at all. And you think my comments are stupid!
@bnsfmanifests Frisco Bob doesn't have to ask me anything because, as one who understands this industry, he is aware that the concept of joint managed terminal operations is a common practice in North America.
You, on the other hand, being a true idiot and blind to the actual operating practices of North American railraods, are unaware of this fact.
@charlieb640 Hey at least I'm not someone who goes around telling everyone that I'm a "joint operations railroad employee" working for two different rival railroads. We all know that is not in anyway possible. What a bunch of shit!
@bnsfmanifests Not possible? Hmmmm. Explain that to the rail employees at Longview. At PTRA. At all the NS/CSXT joint managed facilities the came out of the mergers. It is a very common practice.
A bunch of shit? LOL. Look it up dude. It's easy to find.
@bnsfmanifests Working for two rival railroads isn't possible? Explain that to the employees of BRC. IHB. PTRA. TRRA. Those are but a few of the railroads operating in North America as joint switching operations that are wholly or partially owned by competing Class I operations.
In this one post you have shown all railfans what an idiot you really are. Railroaders already know that.
@bnsfmanifests Still trolling around knocking UP, I see......what did they do to you? Really, stick with the constructive criticism and not the knee-jerk foamer stuff.
@friscobob56 And one more thing, i'm a foamer, huh? Well, when you're watching videoes of trains, guess what you're doing? Ah ha! That's right! It takes a foamer to know one!
@bnsfmanifests Not at all. People can have hobbies without being idiots about it. I love playing guitar. Restoring cars. Taking photos. But I'm not an idiot about it.
Friscobob may enjoy railroading without being an idiot.
You are unable to do so. You're bitter. Angry. Obviously dillusional and can't accept the fact that UP is the most profitable railroad in N/A.
@bnsfmanifests Had a friend who died a few years back, retired from the NS. While working, he burned down a shed in the KC, MO yards, he wrecked two supervisor company vehicles, was sent to release the breaks on a freight, and got the wrong train... I wouldn't be surprised if a simple search of the web would turn up all sorts of NS bloopers. No railroad is perfect. Shut up.
@Defiant47 You want me to shut up? Guess what? Not happening. If you don't like what I have to say about UP or anything at all, don't get on YouTube. It's that simple.
@bnsfmanifests This is the only reply you will get from me. By looking at the comments and replies you are getting, this is quite simple... you are a troll. A troll looking to start shit where it isn't necessary, or needed. Neither you, nor your favorite railroads are perfect. Stop pretending it's so. And again... shut up.
@Defiant47 Best advice to you is . . . again, if you don't want to deal with people making comment about U.P. or anything for that matter, is this . . . DON'T GET ON YOUTUBE! TRUST ME! YOU WILL BE DOING THE WORLD A HUGE FAVOR IF YOU DID THAT!
@charlieb640 He has worked for about 30 years he used to work for SF but it turned into BNSF, he started NS about 3 yrs. ago he has had his traction motors give out but thats about it.
@bnsfman17 Yah, I don't think events like that in the video are too common for NS or BNSF. It's not that they don't have locomotive failures, but it's the fact that they maintain their locos, and how they going about fixing problems when they go wrong. I've seen more things like this with U.P. than anything. In fact, they almost killed me when they derailed a train, thanks to their poorly maintained tracks. And don't listen to charlieb640. He's not a railroader.
@bnsfmanifests If UP doesn't maintain their locomotives and track....then how is it they move more tonnage than any other railroad in North America. And they do it profitably. In fact, more profitable than any other railroad operating in the US, Canada and MX.
You're right about Charlie though. Don't listen to him. He's a full-of-shit Texan. (He is a railroader though. LOL).
@bnsfmanifests Hey Troll! You never explain how it is that according to industry statistics on a per ton mile moved basis they are rated as one of the best. And you don't explain how, if they are such a bad railroad, they maintained their number one rating in profits again last year.
How sad to be so petty and bitter. Railfans, this dude is what gives you all a bad name.
@charlieb640 ASSHOLE PATROL IS IN EFFECT . . . NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you never explained to us how you work for U.P., and BNSF, at the same time. HOW IN THE FUCKING HELL CAN YOU POSSIBLY WORK FOR TWO RIVAL RAILROADS AT THE SAME TIME?! Railroaders, this dude is what gives you all a bad name.
@bnsfmanifests Could you show us some documented proof of what you're babbling about? Industry stats? Injuries per ton mile? Operation Lifesaver incidents per miles operated?
You can't? You mean the only thing you can show are a few anecdotal videos or tales of your amateaurish views as a railfan.
You never explained how, if UP is such a disaster, that they happen to be so darn profitable.
@bnsfmanifests So tell us ignorant railfan. How do you explain the industry announcements released this week that show once again UP is immensly profitable and that they are safely hauling incredible tonnage.
Stick with your little anecdotes dude. But the reality is that both BNSF and UP are well run, profitable, heavy tonnage operations.
LOL. Good catch. That was actually the grid exploding & taking the top of the fan/carbody with it. I was on a UP SD-90 that did the same thing & yes it sounds like a shotgun going off inside the cab. The dynamic brake grids handle massive amounts of heat & energy, so when they go, they go with a BANG !! Nice old video. I wish it had sound !
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW most likely it did pick up ground relay. Ground relay has to pick up four times to lock out the generator. it is possible for a grid to blow open (open circuit) and not ground out, but i doubt this was the case. Ground relay wont shut down the diesel, just keep it from loading.
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW All of UP's road engines have dynamics. Not all of their territory is flat (Sherman Hill, Blue Mountains, Donner Pass, Beaumont Hill), and they have to use their road power all over the territory. Not having dynamic brakes would restrict locomotives to just certain areas, and that isn't cost-effective. Most likely, using DBs saves on the air brakes- it's a matter of train handling. Just in this case, the hogger has a unit w/ a faulty part. Things happen.
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Well, I work for CN and this is how they want you to stop and or slow your train. 1. Throttle manipulation 2. Dynamic Brake 3. Air Brakes
@GEES44DC Ya well, the CN Units also have teapots and refrigerators. And nice seats too. If you go into dynamics on a UP machine, you are risk of blowing up the whole locomotive.
@UP5140SD70M My personal opinion is that both EMD and GE are great. However, before you bash GE for their motive power, Take a good look at what Union Pacific locomotive sits on display at the Illinois Railway Museum. That would be UP GE GTEL #X-18. What is this loco so famous for? It is the most powerful train locomotive in the world because it produced a whopping 8,500 horsepower! This loco is the result of both GE and ALCo. EMD has yet to top that. Just sayin since you seem to like UP alot.
Yes, it is. The diesel engine on board is used to generate electricity for the electric motors mounted on the axles. Going downhill, power to them can be shut off and they can be connected to resistor grids mounted below the dynamic brake fans, since motors and generators are the same thing. Straight electrics do the same thing, excpet they feed the electricity generated by the wheels back into the overhead wire or third-rail.
No, the electric motors are doing the braking. By turning a switch to convert them to generators, they put drag on the axles they are mounted on. When the dynamic brakes are activated, the diesel engine itself just idles, producing only enough power to not stall itself out. It's completely disconnected from the electric motors mounted on the axles when the dynamics are on, and just along for the ride at that point.
@RMSTitanicWSL Not quite, the engine may run its self up higher to provide more power to the electric Dynamic brake fan(s). Its different how fast they run depending on load on the Acc. Generator.
@BNSF5608 The engine rev's up to provide additional cooling air to the TM's, considering on this type of EMD, the TM blower is driven by the the engine. The electrial demand to the DB fan's is not an issue, for instance, the same Aux Gen can power 3 radiator fans without reving up the engine. New EMD's and GE's on the other hand, with thier electrically driven compressor's, blowers and what not, they do rev up depending on the electrical demand.
Part 2-- (Think of this as having a 4x4 with the motor running, but that transmission is in neutral, and the transfer case is in 4LOW. You have some holdback, but you'll still need to use the regular brakes while rolling down steeper hills.)
@RMSTitanicWSL Sorry, I was not very clear instead...:) I said engine but i should have said locomotor. By using the "dinamic braking" I understood that the cars at the back are not involved in the braking. The locomotor is the braking part of the train.
@charlieb640 I was wondering how the the dynamic brake actually works and a gentleman kindly answered my question. Now if Railroads one day will take the decision to brake their trains by crash they will remove air brakes for sure.
Actually this is an EMD.s issue I work for a fire department that has responded to several loco fires and with EMD is the Dynamic brake grids failing you can see the sparks coming from the grid. GE loses turbo chargers...
Poor Poor I feel so bad!!! I mean really!!!! Really!!!!!!! I feel so bad for that SD40 cause It serves Union Pacific! You thought I was gonna say sometin else didnt ya
You can hear the Engineer "pull the plug" (Apply Emergency brakes) at 00:26 seconds, just before the 1st set of crossing bells start ringing. That smell is the brake pads burning up.
@GEES44DC Yes I'm 100% sure, listen carefully, & you'll hear the hiss. Also yes, they do have them. They've had emergency brake systems for several decades now actually. ;) This is a really amazing catch on video eh?
@GP9railfan But they don't ... North American trains have a position on the automatic brake valve called the emergency position. Placing the auto brake valve in that position is an immediate reduction of ALL air in the brake pipe and puts the highest pressure in the cylinders possible. When an undersired emergency application occurs it's the same thing. It is not an actual emergency brake. Any other brake applicattion reduces the brake pipe by a set amount at a service rate.
@GEES44DC You're toying with words. The definition of an "emergency brake" can very well be "immediate reduction of ALL air in the brake pipe which puts the higgest pressure in the cylinders".
FOr most English speaking people in the world and most railroaders, that would be the train's emergency brake. The entire concept of a train "going into emergency" or "big hole" or whatever indicates that for most people "emergency braking" is applicable verbage.
@GEES44DC Maybe when you are thinking about a car you do. Bu in this thread we are referring to railroads. And wwhen railroaders think of trains....they refer to the type of braking I described above as emergency.
So to say a train does not have "emergency brakes" is not accurate for actual railroaders.
@charlieb640 But it is, because when you read the railroads' operating practices and train handling guidelines it doesn't talk about the emergency brakes, it always talks about an emergency application of the air brakes.
@GEES44DC I not only read the operating practices, but I teach it. Big-holing the train either through rapidly opening an angle cock or venting the air from the cab is emergency braking through a system designed to bring the train to a stop as quickly as possible.
@GEES44DC A braking system designed to bring an object to a complete stop in a manner that it is accomplished as quickly as possible is defined, at least to most of those who live in the English speaking world, as an Emergency Braking System or Emergency Brake. It is also understood that way by those of us who do it this way for a living.
I'm sure they stopped as fast as they could coming down that grade. The smell he referred to was probably the train brakes burning up trying to grind it to a halt after they saw the fan go flying, & the smoke/sparkler show, fire, etc...
When that happens, the traction motors act like big arc welder generators, resulting in stray voltage "lightning bolts" everywhere under the hood. All the train crew can do is ride it out until they stop all the way, then shut down. Not a good situation.
It doesn't look as though the crew was in any hurry to stop and check out the damage. I'm willing to bet an exploded dynamic fan and the resulting molten resistor grid would lead to more problems under the hood if left unchecked.
"Railroading: It's not a job, it's an adventure..."
Fan hub exploded... took out the dynamic brake grid too. That big item that went flying was the fan guard/cover... smaller items were the fan-blades. Look close and you will see the rear fan completely missing over the dynamics---should be 2 there. This is common on the dynamic fans with the heat that they endure.
Well, not really. A very heavy train going at a high rate of speed may take over a mile to stop. Couple of miles. Maybe in the snow with 18000 tons at 60mpg. Maybe
after every thing has been sead. Did you try to flag them or are you like a lot of RR bufs and watch.
Haysdminis 5 hours ago
8 people were in the exaughst system....
Justin5637 3 weeks ago
It blew off it's exaust cap
jmream1 1 month ago
That thing needs a better horn!
LNERMallard 1 month ago
Wait a minute. The dispatcher actually let the local get back on the main line and when it stalls he's not happy!? What was he expecting!?!?
trainkids 2 months ago
"hmm, I'm speeding up again. better give it more dynamics."
drewb993 3 months ago
man good thing that didnt blow up next to you. that debris went flying everywhere
amtrak3501 3 months ago
why are there sparks and shit comeing from the side of the train
MrTheFanMan111 3 months ago
@MrTheFanMan111
Dynamic braking uses electrical resistance to slow the traction motors down on the trucks.
in order to create the resistance to slow the motors large resistors are mounted above the engine and the current created by the free rolling motors in the trucks is fed into them,
the fans are there to keep the resistors cool, and obviously, no fan, no cooling, resistors melt down.
a5ea51relic 3 months ago
You wanted a duck cumming? lol
Seaboard1321 3 months ago 2
That horn on that locomotive sounds absolutely horrible! Maybe that's why the brake fan was about to catch fire, or vice versa.
Stamolka1986 4 months ago
That tonnage is why our roadbeds are so torn up and I costs so much to fix it for high speed rail. Check the ton per axle world wide and u will see the truth!!!!!!!!
ch3no2killz 4 months ago
6 dynamic brake fans hate this videos.
Jamersonde 4 months ago
Train, it's what's for dinner.
repairdroid77 4 months ago
AWESOME CATCH!!
Engine201 4 months ago
Sd40-2 the backbone of both Union Pacific and Burlington Northern during the late 70's and 80's.Very dependable engines still used today Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern have rebuilding programs going on at Altoona and North Little Rock
rve61 4 months ago
Now imagine if a jet liner blew its thrush reverser.
ph11p3540 4 months ago
looks like skeet shooting
RellyOhBoy 5 months ago
"PLEASE SEE LOCOMOTIVE EXPERT COMMENTARY BELOW"
RellyOhBoy 5 months ago
GMO1107.....goofball......unless it is a new switcher...they don't have CAT's a few of their "Test Switchers" have road truck diesels in them...but this, is a good ol' EMD.....(Electromotive Division of General Motors at the time) that was a cooling fan exiting its casing and causing some serious damage.
dfwembalmer 5 months ago
I'm sure if it was a turbo charger that actually blew it would be alot more smoke than that. This loco must have had a cat diesel in it...
gmo1107 5 months ago
press 2..
joshuanel18 5 months ago
I just LOVE her!!!!
ANTONAZ 5 months ago
where was ur shotgun u could have shot the target that the engineer was tossing up in the air..... XD
trainguy47 5 months ago
i didnt know ford made train units
CPWindsorsub 6 months ago
@CPWindsorsub Ford???? Pure GM Product right there
wheels069 3 months ago
@wheels069 I'm joking, I'm saying Fords can brake down and this train broke down lol, I know it's a GM train
CPWindsorsub 3 months ago
"a wonded duck coming" LOL
metraF40PH163 7 months ago
TURD-O-charger ;) i just read the description
NakulSinghRana 7 months ago
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1Standart 7 months ago
General Motors Mark of Excellence...
jamb15767 7 months ago
General Motors mark of Excellence...
jamb15767 7 months ago
GOTDAMN !!!!!
kewanw16 7 months ago
Another toaster bites the dust.
htc6600 7 months ago
def. not the turbo lol had it been the turbo there would have been oil spraying all over the place and the engine would be blowing white/grey smoke like crazy
griz4020 7 months ago
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griz4020 7 months ago
Those were arcs .
DjRaveKing 8 months ago
that fuckin funny lmfao train epic fails. XD
SPIRITAIR1 10 months ago
great catch!
pgo1972 10 months ago
I remember that station from train simulator...
Ch4rli3Brown 10 months ago
Is that fire or sparks coming inside the unit from 0:52 to 1:04
TheJackiechan512 10 months ago
@TheJackiechan512 Im pretty sure those were sparks from the dynamic brake grids but Im not sure.
belzelga2 9 months ago
@belzelga2 NO REALLY?!?!?! READ THE DESCRIPTION AND STOP POSTING BS!
GintaPPE1000 8 months ago
wow that horn really doesn't work for and SD40-2. anyways wow
SuperBanana121 11 months ago
@jlcame1994 It tried though :P
sleeptyper 11 months ago
damn glad not to be next to where that fan came apart at.
fuckin hell. as it passes by the Dynamic Grid plating looks like it's going to melt down like 3 mile island...
Hiei2k7 11 months ago
You cant really blame a grid failure on lack of maintenance. Grids absorb 1200 amps and the only way to test them, is to load with 1200 amps - load test. if you told a shop foreman that you wanted to change a grid because it looked bad during inspection, he would laugh you out of the shop.
ackmino 1 year ago 3
I guess timing really is everything. Hope the Dash-2 survived; nowadays a blown turbo would probably be enough to retire the unit and another dead 645 engine is the saddest thing in railroading.
htc6600 1 year ago
lol arguing about trains!! both of u need to be banned from life. Just shut up and watch the train go by!
grapeape16 1 year ago 34
@grapeape16 Word!!!
diapermanful 2 months ago
stUPid is "profitable" because they scimp on maintenance, screw their crews, and cook their books. End of story. It's run by dirtbags.
DeserTBoB93535 1 year ago
@DeserTBoB93535 Scrimping on maintenance results in a loss of profit....not more profit. The books are carefully audited. And givin the announcements made this week UP had another amazing year.
End of story?
They are going to be around a long time hauling heavy tonnage profitably. No, I do not think it is the end of story.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 Oh sure...go right ahead and believe that. Ask anyone who works on that road (except officials)...stUPid sucks. Ask any shipper in the San Joaquin Valley...stUPid sucks. SP may have been bankrupted by An-shits and Chuckie Krebs, but at least we could get the trains down the road! Remember when stUPid lost shipments for MONTHS AT A TIME after the SoP-UP? That's because they're....stUPid.
DeserTBoB93535 1 year ago
@DeserTBoB93535 I don't do "remember when". I'm talking about now. I'm talking about the most profitable heavy tonnage railroad in the world.
I deal with shippers on San Joaquin every day. Traffic is up. Tonnage is high. On time ratings are excellent.
If "they" are stupid, how to you explain that "they" make more money and haul more tonnage than anyone. I believe the facts.
charlieb640 1 year ago 9
@charlieb640 You people are Goddam idiots. Blowing up your chest and saying "my railroad is better than your railroad!" Who fucking cares? You're like little boys claiming their dads can beat up anybody. Just shut up and enjoy the trains already!
htc6600 7 months ago
did anyone notice that huge part fly out the top? I often watch these videos and see people standing less than 20ft from the track and i sometimes wonder what if something fell off and hit someone.
coasttocoastman 1 year ago
Guys, don't worry about trying to reason with bsnfmanifests.......trolls are impossible to reason with. Besides, what little he knows about railroads is laughable. I don't know as much about railroads as I would like, but I know when to defer to those who DO know. bnsfmanifests is hiding behind youtube to sound like an idiot, because he doesn't have the stones to do it in person.
friscobob56 1 year ago
did he ever stop
daylight671 1 year ago
lol frissby
matanuialive2010 1 year ago
is that an , "Aw shit?"
bluecollarboiler 1 year ago
No wonder the horn is sick.
lordbemylight 1 year ago
whoops
crazyfvck 1 year ago
lol lame emd frisbee
re49991 1 year ago
Wow, that's impressive watching the fan blades just rocket up like that. Did you recover the part?
mathuetax 1 year ago
U.P at their finest for you! Right there for you! Again folks, this is the reason why U.P. is one of the most dangerous railroads on the face of the planet! You never see NS having incidents like this!
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Still trolling around knocling UP, I see......whatever did they do to you?
friscobob56 1 year ago
@friscobob56 They didn't do anything to him. He is just childish and bitter. LOL
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 yeah, he doesn't take criticism too well.....anyone that writes anything other than oh-you're-so-right comments, he flames 'em, then blocks 'em from his Youtube site. Yet, he'll still go out and shoot UP videos. If you want a laugh, go see his stupd comments on Walmart employees rounding up carts in the parking lot. Now, what he was doing in a Walmart parking lot at night by himself.......we'll never know. LOL
friscobob56 1 year ago
@friscobob56 Hey moron! At least I'm not someone who goes around telling everyone that I'm a "joint operations railroad employee" that works for two different rival railroads.
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests That's good...because you're not such a person. I, on the other hand, am. LOL.
That's right. Each payday I cash a check that is funded both by UP and BNSF (and actually 2 other railroads).
charlieb640 1 year ago
@friscobob56 You want to know what I was doing in the parking lot? Do you really want to find out? Are you jealous because you weren't in the parking lot with me? It kind of sounds like you are! And if you want a good laugh, ask your boyfriend chalieb640 what he was thinking when he made a comment on YouTube stating that he's a "joint operations employee" for two totally different railroads when realistically speaking, that is not possible at all. And you think my comments are stupid!
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Frisco Bob doesn't have to ask me anything because, as one who understands this industry, he is aware that the concept of joint managed terminal operations is a common practice in North America.
You, on the other hand, being a true idiot and blind to the actual operating practices of North American railraods, are unaware of this fact.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 Hey at least I'm not someone who goes around telling everyone that I'm a "joint operations railroad employee" working for two different rival railroads. We all know that is not in anyway possible. What a bunch of shit!
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Not possible? Hmmmm. Explain that to the rail employees at Longview. At PTRA. At all the NS/CSXT joint managed facilities the came out of the mergers. It is a very common practice.
A bunch of shit? LOL. Look it up dude. It's easy to find.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Working for two rival railroads isn't possible? Explain that to the employees of BRC. IHB. PTRA. TRRA. Those are but a few of the railroads operating in North America as joint switching operations that are wholly or partially owned by competing Class I operations.
In this one post you have shown all railfans what an idiot you really are. Railroaders already know that.
Boss302fan 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Still trolling around knocking UP, I see......what did they do to you? Really, stick with the constructive criticism and not the knee-jerk foamer stuff.
friscobob56 1 year ago
@friscobob56 And one more thing, i'm a foamer, huh? Well, when you're watching videoes of trains, guess what you're doing? Ah ha! That's right! It takes a foamer to know one!
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Not at all. People can have hobbies without being idiots about it. I love playing guitar. Restoring cars. Taking photos. But I'm not an idiot about it.
Friscobob may enjoy railroading without being an idiot.
You are unable to do so. You're bitter. Angry. Obviously dillusional and can't accept the fact that UP is the most profitable railroad in N/A.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Had a friend who died a few years back, retired from the NS. While working, he burned down a shed in the KC, MO yards, he wrecked two supervisor company vehicles, was sent to release the breaks on a freight, and got the wrong train... I wouldn't be surprised if a simple search of the web would turn up all sorts of NS bloopers. No railroad is perfect. Shut up.
Defiant47 1 year ago
@Defiant47 You want me to shut up? Guess what? Not happening. If you don't like what I have to say about UP or anything at all, don't get on YouTube. It's that simple.
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests This is the only reply you will get from me. By looking at the comments and replies you are getting, this is quite simple... you are a troll. A troll looking to start shit where it isn't necessary, or needed. Neither you, nor your favorite railroads are perfect. Stop pretending it's so. And again... shut up.
Defiant47 1 year ago
@Defiant47 Best advice to you is . . . again, if you don't want to deal with people making comment about U.P. or anything for that matter, is this . . . DON'T GET ON YOUTUBE! TRUST ME! YOU WILL BE DOING THE WORLD A HUGE FAVOR IF YOU DID THAT!
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@Defiant47 Get the hint. I'm not going to shut up. It's just not happening. And I'm starting shit? I'm starting fight? No. I'm ending one!
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
Amen my Gpa works for NS noe and he said he has never seen anything like that while he worked for BNSF or NS
bnsfman17 1 year ago
@bnsfman17 That's odd. How long did he actually railroad. I've seen this on BN, UP, NS, CSXT, CN, CP, etc etc.
It happens. These locomotives are asked to do impossible tasks with incredible tonnage over amazing terrain. They will ultimately fail.
I bring both BNSF and UP power into this facility. Dozens a day. The maintenance and rate of failure is about the same.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 He has worked for about 30 years he used to work for SF but it turned into BNSF, he started NS about 3 yrs. ago he has had his traction motors give out but thats about it.
bnsfman17 1 year ago
@bnsfman17 Wonder if I knew him. It's a very small industry. Bet I ran into him from time to time.
This video shows something not common....but it happens to everyone. (In particualr the old SP. LOL).
NS does run a great operation. Used to work with them when I was much, much younger.
Tell him hello from a BNSF supt. Did he work in Houson by any chance?
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 He did for a while then he got moved to Barstow
bnsfman17 1 year ago
@bnsfman17 Tell him Charles B. from Houston says hello. Not sure what department he worked in, but that should be enough to ring a bell.
Be safe
charlieb640 1 year ago
@bnsfman17 Yah, I don't think events like that in the video are too common for NS or BNSF. It's not that they don't have locomotive failures, but it's the fact that they maintain their locos, and how they going about fixing problems when they go wrong. I've seen more things like this with U.P. than anything. In fact, they almost killed me when they derailed a train, thanks to their poorly maintained tracks. And don't listen to charlieb640. He's not a railroader.
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests If UP doesn't maintain their locomotives and track....then how is it they move more tonnage than any other railroad in North America. And they do it profitably. In fact, more profitable than any other railroad operating in the US, Canada and MX.
You're right about Charlie though. Don't listen to him. He's a full-of-shit Texan. (He is a railroader though. LOL).
Boss302fan 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Hey Troll! You never explain how it is that according to industry statistics on a per ton mile moved basis they are rated as one of the best. And you don't explain how, if they are such a bad railroad, they maintained their number one rating in profits again last year.
How sad to be so petty and bitter. Railfans, this dude is what gives you all a bad name.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 ASSHOLE PATROL IS IN EFFECT . . . NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you never explained to us how you work for U.P., and BNSF, at the same time. HOW IN THE FUCKING HELL CAN YOU POSSIBLY WORK FOR TWO RIVAL RAILROADS AT THE SAME TIME?! Railroaders, this dude is what gives you all a bad name.
bnsfmanifests 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests It's easy. BNSF and UP have several major joint owned facilities. As do most Class I railroads. For example, Longview, PTRA, etc, etc.
I manage one of those terminals. That is how the F**KING HELL I can work for two railroads at the same time. Hundreds of railroaders do it nationwide.
Now that I've explained this commonly understood concept, answer my question.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests Could you show us some documented proof of what you're babbling about? Industry stats? Injuries per ton mile? Operation Lifesaver incidents per miles operated?
You can't? You mean the only thing you can show are a few anecdotal videos or tales of your amateaurish views as a railfan.
You never explained how, if UP is such a disaster, that they happen to be so darn profitable.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@bnsfmanifests So tell us ignorant railfan. How do you explain the industry announcements released this week that show once again UP is immensly profitable and that they are safely hauling incredible tonnage.
Stick with your little anecdotes dude. But the reality is that both BNSF and UP are well run, profitable, heavy tonnage operations.
charlieb640 1 year ago 3
wow, good job UP.
joshmeister4449 1 year ago
Put some tape on it. It will be fine...
Bus7777 1 year ago
LOL. Good catch. That was actually the grid exploding & taking the top of the fan/carbody with it. I was on a UP SD-90 that did the same thing & yes it sounds like a shotgun going off inside the cab. The dynamic brake grids handle massive amounts of heat & energy, so when they go, they go with a BANG !! Nice old video. I wish it had sound !
papabugs71 1 year ago
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Bus7777 1 year ago
fail. should have hit the emergency stop. who the hell uses a train with a fire on the main engine. thats just a fail.
AMT4245 1 year ago
Maybe after that, the engineers had islolated the dynamic brake...
Cristianoefc 1 year ago
Nice vid. The info was great.
fordtaurus93 1 year ago
-brake fan blows- BEWM! *2 seconds later* MY FACE!!!! -ambulances pull up to house-
metroliner89 1 year ago
That had to generate all kinds of ground relay alarms.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW most likely it did pick up ground relay. Ground relay has to pick up four times to lock out the generator. it is possible for a grid to blow open (open circuit) and not ground out, but i doubt this was the case. Ground relay wont shut down the diesel, just keep it from loading.
ackmino 1 year ago
that didnt look to clever, nasty stuff
EWS60500 1 year ago
PlayStation 2 FTW!
azervich 1 year ago
Why is he using dynamics on flat land?
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW i was just wondering the same
MrUnderpaid 1 year ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW All of UP's road engines have dynamics. Not all of their territory is flat (Sherman Hill, Blue Mountains, Donner Pass, Beaumont Hill), and they have to use their road power all over the territory. Not having dynamic brakes would restrict locomotives to just certain areas, and that isn't cost-effective. Most likely, using DBs saves on the air brakes- it's a matter of train handling. Just in this case, the hogger has a unit w/ a faulty part. Things happen.
friscobob56 1 year ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Because the dynamic brakes are to be used as the primary means of stopping a train.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC Says who? I work for UP so check yourself before you wreck yourself.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Well, I work for CN and this is how they want you to stop and or slow your train. 1. Throttle manipulation 2. Dynamic Brake 3. Air Brakes
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC Ya well, the CN Units also have teapots and refrigerators. And nice seats too. If you go into dynamics on a UP machine, you are risk of blowing up the whole locomotive.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Don't forget the microwaves :-p CN does a terrible job of maintaining their fleet.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
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@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Don't forget the microwaves :-p CN does a terrible job of maintaining their fleet.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
I Wish that was a GE, Ge's SUck
UP5140SD70M 1 year ago
@UP5140SD70M My personal opinion is that both EMD and GE are great. However, before you bash GE for their motive power, Take a good look at what Union Pacific locomotive sits on display at the Illinois Railway Museum. That would be UP GE GTEL #X-18. What is this loco so famous for? It is the most powerful train locomotive in the world because it produced a whopping 8,500 horsepower! This loco is the result of both GE and ALCo. EMD has yet to top that. Just sayin since you seem to like UP alot.
nsrailfann4life91 1 year ago
@nsrailfann4life91
Don't forget the GG1s an American classic as railfans would call it. Sure it was a electric, but that is one of GE's finest.
kmothersil 1 year ago
Yikes!
kusc717 1 year ago
woah!
flippy941 1 year ago
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flippy941 1 year ago
odd horn NICE catch!
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
she died on the main? No way!
gviper7 1 year ago
LOL.... no worries..... I'd thought I'd been unclear explaining the workings, an easy thing to do when limited to 400 characters. Hope I was helpful.
RMSTitanicWSL 1 year ago
What is a dynamic brake? Is it something related to the motor brake effect?
diioriog 1 year ago
Yes, it is. The diesel engine on board is used to generate electricity for the electric motors mounted on the axles. Going downhill, power to them can be shut off and they can be connected to resistor grids mounted below the dynamic brake fans, since motors and generators are the same thing. Straight electrics do the same thing, excpet they feed the electricity generated by the wheels back into the overhead wire or third-rail.
RMSTitanicWSL 1 year ago
@RMSTitanicWSL Thanks, its very clear now. In this case the engine is the only part of the train that is actually braking though right?
diioriog 1 year ago
No, the electric motors are doing the braking. By turning a switch to convert them to generators, they put drag on the axles they are mounted on. When the dynamic brakes are activated, the diesel engine itself just idles, producing only enough power to not stall itself out. It's completely disconnected from the electric motors mounted on the axles when the dynamics are on, and just along for the ride at that point.
RMSTitanicWSL 1 year ago
@RMSTitanicWSL Not quite, the engine may run its self up higher to provide more power to the electric Dynamic brake fan(s). Its different how fast they run depending on load on the Acc. Generator.
BNSF5608 4 months ago
@BNSF5608 The engine rev's up to provide additional cooling air to the TM's, considering on this type of EMD, the TM blower is driven by the the engine. The electrial demand to the DB fan's is not an issue, for instance, the same Aux Gen can power 3 radiator fans without reving up the engine. New EMD's and GE's on the other hand, with thier electrically driven compressor's, blowers and what not, they do rev up depending on the electrical demand.
railroadjeep 4 months ago
Part 2-- (Think of this as having a 4x4 with the motor running, but that transmission is in neutral, and the transfer case is in 4LOW. You have some holdback, but you'll still need to use the regular brakes while rolling down steeper hills.)
RMSTitanicWSL 1 year ago
@RMSTitanicWSL Sorry, I was not very clear instead...:) I said engine but i should have said locomotor. By using the "dinamic braking" I understood that the cars at the back are not involved in the braking. The locomotor is the braking part of the train.
diioriog 1 year ago
@diioriog Excuse me? The locomotor is the braking part of the train? Railroads have removed air brakes from all their railcars?
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 I was wondering how the the dynamic brake actually works and a gentleman kindly answered my question. Now if Railroads one day will take the decision to brake their trains by crash they will remove air brakes for sure.
diioriog 1 year ago
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flippy941 1 year ago
Should have grabbed the fan, I would have done it!
abeemanator 1 year ago
Actually this is an EMD.s issue I work for a fire department that has responded to several loco fires and with EMD is the Dynamic brake grids failing you can see the sparks coming from the grid. GE loses turbo chargers...
bkobielusz 1 year ago
Damn that horn sounds sick........
KSE828 1 year ago
Listen to the whine at the beginning - it sounds like one of the d/b fans was spinning about double normal speed, and self-destructed as a result.
trainiax 1 year ago
Poor Poor I feel so bad!!! I mean really!!!! Really!!!!!!! I feel so bad for that SD40 cause It serves Union Pacific! You thought I was gonna say sometin else didnt ya
MilwaukeeSDman 1 year ago
You can hear the Engineer "pull the plug" (Apply Emergency brakes) at 00:26 seconds, just before the 1st set of crossing bells start ringing. That smell is the brake pads burning up.
GP9railfan 1 year ago
@GP9railfan Are you sure? Also, trains don't have emergency brakes.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC Yes I'm 100% sure, listen carefully, & you'll hear the hiss. Also yes, they do have them. They've had emergency brake systems for several decades now actually. ;) This is a really amazing catch on video eh?
GP9railfan 1 year ago
@GP9railfan But they don't ... North American trains have a position on the automatic brake valve called the emergency position. Placing the auto brake valve in that position is an immediate reduction of ALL air in the brake pipe and puts the highest pressure in the cylinders possible. When an undersired emergency application occurs it's the same thing. It is not an actual emergency brake. Any other brake applicattion reduces the brake pipe by a set amount at a service rate.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC You're toying with words. The definition of an "emergency brake" can very well be "immediate reduction of ALL air in the brake pipe which puts the higgest pressure in the cylinders".
FOr most English speaking people in the world and most railroaders, that would be the train's emergency brake. The entire concept of a train "going into emergency" or "big hole" or whatever indicates that for most people "emergency braking" is applicable verbage.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 Yes, but when you think of an emergency brake you think of another separate brake from the other ones. As on a car.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC Maybe when you are thinking about a car you do. Bu in this thread we are referring to railroads. And wwhen railroaders think of trains....they refer to the type of braking I described above as emergency.
So to say a train does not have "emergency brakes" is not accurate for actual railroaders.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 But it is, because when you read the railroads' operating practices and train handling guidelines it doesn't talk about the emergency brakes, it always talks about an emergency application of the air brakes.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC I not only read the operating practices, but I teach it. Big-holing the train either through rapidly opening an angle cock or venting the air from the cab is emergency braking through a system designed to bring the train to a stop as quickly as possible.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 I agree! But it's not an 'emergency brake'.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC A braking system designed to bring an object to a complete stop in a manner that it is accomplished as quickly as possible is defined, at least to most of those who live in the English speaking world, as an Emergency Braking System or Emergency Brake. It is also understood that way by those of us who do it this way for a living.
charlieb640 1 year ago
I'm sure they stopped as fast as they could coming down that grade. The smell he referred to was probably the train brakes burning up trying to grind it to a halt after they saw the fan go flying, & the smoke/sparkler show, fire, etc...
When that happens, the traction motors act like big arc welder generators, resulting in stray voltage "lightning bolts" everywhere under the hood. All the train crew can do is ride it out until they stop all the way, then shut down. Not a good situation.
GP9railfan 1 year ago
SWEET!!!!
SCL1306 1 year ago
It looks like the engine was playing frisbee with the dynamic brake fan(s) (or trying to)
train2589 1 year ago 3
Oh thats going to cost a fortune to fix..
jimmydcap 1 year ago
At least the horn's blowing for safety so that's the last thing you hear before the fan blade saws your head off
riteonfukenkaren 1 year ago 4
They probably didn't report it until after tying up.
maousn75 1 year ago
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Loving the camera work in The Pacfic, just seen it at lastnightstvshows (.) com
orangehysteria7 1 year ago
Wow!
Lightwolf333 1 year ago
It doesn't look as though the crew was in any hurry to stop and check out the damage. I'm willing to bet an exploded dynamic fan and the resulting molten resistor grid would lead to more problems under the hood if left unchecked.
"Railroading: It's not a job, it's an adventure..."
pennsyr1 1 year ago
and u filmed this on an abandoned station and line?
doubleutubefan5 1 year ago
That was a legendary video catch, something Tony Johnson can really hang his hat on.
randommagnum 1 year ago
nice video mate
this fall to spark dynamic brake driven by her driver
rochestersantos 1 year ago
Fan hub exploded... took out the dynamic brake grid too. That big item that went flying was the fan guard/cover... smaller items were the fan-blades. Look close and you will see the rear fan completely missing over the dynamics---should be 2 there. This is common on the dynamic fans with the heat that they endure.
dodgeramb59 1 year ago
wow, without the fan to cool down the dynamic braking unit, that things glowing red hot!!!!!! he wont get too far with his dynamic brakes too high.
furmaster212 1 year ago
Check out the train? Why? Just cut out the dynamic brake and keep rollin, drama queens.....
byrnsy383 2 years ago
@byrnsy383 EXACTLY. And this train didn't look like it was stopping at all. I didn't hear the air dump.
GEES44DC 1 year ago
Yea You would think the crew would at least stop the train and check it out...Great video! 5*****! Most impressive footage and rare catch!
DJGENEX71 2 years ago
EMD fanboyism/fanbitchism still continues to live to this day, thank you 8213NATE & rockguitarist946.
Papadoplas 2 years ago 2
Fail
scumbubbles1 2 years ago
EMDs are way more reliable. And GE locos hold the rail like a sick old woman holds a broom. GE sucks! An ACe will out pull and out last an es44.
8213NATE 2 years ago
@8213NATE ACe's stall in crapy weather in Ilinois
UP5140SD70M 1 year ago
LMAO he all just keeps going as if nothing happened lol. that Union Pacific's safety standards for ya!!!
howardkevinm 2 years ago
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RoosterG33rs 2 years ago
Well, not really. A very heavy train going at a high rate of speed may take over a mile to stop. Couple of miles. Maybe in the snow with 18000 tons at 60mpg. Maybe
charlieb640 1 year ago
@RoosterG33rs WRONG
GEES44DC 1 year ago