Brigham Young racked up almost 60 wifes...nearly doubling that of Joseph Smith... these guys were real "Gluttons for Punishment". imagine how the wives must felt. used?? ya think?? King Soloman racked up 300 wives and 700 conqubines... he holds the record.
@UnitedStatesOfSpange Yup....thats what I believe....and it pisses me off people think its a crazy idea. There are billion of planets JUST in the milky way galaxy....which is one of billions of galaxies....its so big its hard to think about. There has to be life somewhere else out there...its just common sense
I am a former Mormon missionary, and apologist (defender of the Church against anti-Mormon attacks). I wrote a book defending the Church ("The Gainsayers"). The evidence is against the Church being true. I am now a Daheshist, a follower of Dr. Dahesh (1912-1984), the miracle-working prophet of Lebanon. He raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, etc. For further info on Doctor Dahesh and His Teachings email me: darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT com
the only true covering for sin and shame is found in the BLOOD OF JESUS. when mankind fell and tried to cover their sin with a fig leaf... God can down and found Adam and "helped" him by providing a "more adequate" covering for his sin. it required the shedding of blood. Our sins are cleanses when we are "washed in the blood of the Lamb". Jesus can save you. the REAL JESUS that is. not the Mormon Jesus. I speak on the AUTHORITY of the SCRIPTURE... not on any man made religion.
@PuckettFamily no we believe in somthing called "repenting" for our sins. not covering them up with leaves, and theres not a differens in the jesus from the bible and the book of mormon they're the same person.
@NarkAnon have you ever read the Bible? - it will speak for itself. it's history is VALIDATED by archeology. it is a secular history textbook in Isreal. the Book of Mormon on the otherhand CANNOT BE VALIDATED using any means whatsoever. plus it's just a bad read. not inspired.
Yeah, I've read the Bible. Several times, actually.
And while there are indeed some historical figures and places used in the Bible (unlike the Nephites and Lamanites in the Book of Mormon - I'll give you that one), there is absolutely ZERO evidence that any of the supernatural God-based events in the Bible actually happened. It's like saying that the Mormon Doctrine & Covenants must be true because it mentions real people and places in history.
@NarkAnon - you dismiss and underestimate the Power of the Almighty. There are a few scriptures that (dare i say PROVE) that the Bible is an integrated message system that comes fron outside our time domain. Yes, a man did hold the pen and "wrote" but these men were obviously inspired (unlike Joseph Smith who was a fraud and a counterfiet). are you an atheiest? how can you explain the Prophecies in the old testament that were fulfilled exactly in the person of Jesus?
How can you possibly know what prophecies Jesus (meaning the presumed real-life person the supernatural Jesus may or may not be based upon) actually fulfilled? Sure the New Testament says Jesus did all kinds of stuff that fulfilled Old Testament prophecies. Don't you think that the writers (and later editors) of the NT knew all about those OT prophecies before they started writing? Just because they said it happened doesn't mean it did.
@NarkAnon - thats a good point. i actually just "believed" that the Bible was true and trusted that God could keep in intact and free from "Human Pollutions". My discovery is that the Bible is a message system: it’s not simply 66 books penned by 40 authors over thousands of years, the Bible is an integrated whole which bears evidence of supernatural engineering in every detail.... hehehee... LOVE IT !!!
Well, it's perfectly OK that you believe that, despite a complete lack of any objective evidence that it's actually the case. Just like it's completely OK what the Mormons believe in spite of all that logic and Occam's Razor that would dictate otherwise. After all, they believe the Bible to be the word of God too, just with parts left out.
Yet another way in which you're much like the Mormons in what you choose to believe, regardless of reality.
did you know that the Endowment ceremony in many ways exhaults Lucifer over Elohim...?? Mormons actually celebrate the fall of man (ie disobedience...in taking from the Tree in the midst of the garden). one can say that this is OBEDIENCE to SATAN. Mormons don the little green apron as Lucifer instructs. (tidbid - the green apron supposed to represent the fig leaf that mankind "covered" their sin and shame. SATAN WANTS YOU TO TRY TO COVER YOUR SIN and not allow you to come to salvation
this is just one tiny thing among thousands of things that DISPROVE mormonism. dont you just love those DEMONIC SYMBOLS on their temples?? and DNA tests apply to everyone ELSE in the world...
@PuckettFamily prove what? did you not see i just got done telling emperor0013 how science can't prove any religion right or wrong. (and infact science by it self can't prove anything at all lol)
The Abraham Papyrus is an absurd fraud and easily disproved. An embarrassment to the Hierarchy . This joke is what Joe conjured up out of his perception of Real Egyptian. He was wrong 100% of the time! Statistically significant but in the wrong direction. So, how much error is there in the Book of Mormon, translated from non existent "reformed" Egyptian for which not a scintilla of evidence exists. And translated with the plates outside and his head in his hat with his pet rock!?
this is hilarious! see.joseph smith had just studied hebrew prior to the transaltions.. "ha kau kabeam" a star name he translated comes from his study of hebrew,"kokab" is star in hebrew.. he made it all up himself! he had a fertile imagination.
@zurekthrills Geez who? Jesus. Jesus is a joke. I'll never understand why people think a Jewish carpenter who lived 2000 years ago was any kind of Messiah.
It is shocking, the lengths of self-deception that some of the mormons in these comments will go through to preserve their fragile faith. You give them -fact- about the well-documented lies that J Smith told with the Book of Abraham, and what do they do? They insult the person who made the video. They don't even address the issue before they dismiss it entirely.
Thank you, mormon commenters, for being great example of the intellectual incompetence of a believer.
@chadro85 Lets start with the BoM claim that Native Americans are of Jewish descent being proven false by DNA testing? That is kind of a big one because it is the premise of the entire book.
@chadro85 I am not going to hold your hand and walk you through this. You have google, use it. This isn't an obscure claim by the church, it is the PREMISE OF YOUR ENTIRE BOOK. Lehi and his children came to the americas through wooden boats and populated the americas where wars occurred between the nephites and lamanites (also something we have zero archeological evidence for). The mormon church claims all native americans are descendants of nephites and lamanites. Which is false.
@emperor0013 look do you know how much crap and lies there are out there on the internet about mormons.(i know because i too was once an anti-mormon) so no i will not "google it". if you are so very sure its false you give me the reason and legit facts yourself, and don't try to confuse me with the lies that are about the mormons because i aready know what they're from the past.
@chadro85 I was a mormon for two decades of my life. I stopped being mormon after I took the time to research legitimate documented fact concerning the history of the church. This is not information you can get from the church. Use mormonthink(dot)com, as it is an UNBIASED source written by both members and non members who are interested in the facts surrounding the claims the church makes.
@emperor0013 look i hate to offened you but you've been blinded by satan. as i've been there i know how you felt when you left and probably how you feel now. i've been there ok. now back to research and all that, as i already said the internet is full of lies, and again if you going to take me on this i want to here the research from you, not a video not a website, you. ok
@chadro85 I spent -two decades- being a faithful member. It was factual information that made me realize the church is a verified scam. I see you have already developed the standard mormon defense: putting your fingers in your ears and refusing to listen. Congratulations, you are an intellectual coward. You are actually stupid enough to believe that the church you pay money to is giving you all the facts? Not only that, but that there are no more "correct" facts outside the church? Wow.
@chadro85 Keep burying your head in the sand, kid. Meanwhile, the facts remain unchanged. Your prophets are liars whether you are willing to believe it or not.
@emperor0013 haha oh really then so if you seem to know those facts so well that have "remained unchanged" why is it so hard for you just to just striaght out tell me the answer. where in the book of mormon does it say that, or who said it
@chadro85 en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Lamanite
I am not going to copy paste the article here. The church makes the claim based on the book of mormon and the fact that such large numbers of people don't just vanish, and are traceable through DNA.
@emperor0013 no i can talk with you on that as well. now again sorry if i have offened you in anyway and gotten a little cocky, but somthimes i get a little ahead of myself and offened people or get them angrey.
now can we please just get back on topic and not go out on side personal attacks what ever. so anyway before i start to talk to you about the history of racism in the church. may i ask if you actually know the answer to my question, or is it just going to go no where?
Book of Mormon introduction: "It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains. the fullness of the everlasting gospel.
The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites.
@chadro85 The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."
@chadro85 That is part of the introduction or preface to the book.
I don't expect what is supposed to be ancient writings to depict the genetic future of one of its participants, no. That doesn't make it not a core tenant of the mormon religion.
@chadro85 sorry Chadro - unfortunately YOU are the BLINDED one. you have been duped by the counterfiet false church. keep looking, keep searching for truth, keep your heart and mind open to the HOLY SPIRIT. He will guide you into all truth. Jesus is alive. He is real. He is NOT RELIGION. Religion cannot save. Baptism cannot. Baptism for the dead is vanity. Joseph Smith was a adulterous con...as was Brigham... there were supposed to be men on the moon...DNA...Blacks...on and on
@chadro85 It is the WHOLE BOOK. Lehi's children came to America and thrived and grew into two warring tribes: the Nephites and Lamanites. The Lamanites, stricken with dark skin, beat the wholesome white Nephites and eventually became Native Americans as we know them today. This isn't a brand new thing. It is, again, the premise of the ENTIRE BOOK.
@wyattahay Actually, it proves that the Book of Breathings is a real ancient book and the Book of Abraham is nonsense.
You have 2 choices to make now:
1. Dig deeper and learn more about the Book of Breathings
2. Continue to believe whatever you want to believe and ignore what Egyptologists and non-Mormons have to say. Dismissing them as anti-Mormon rather than pro-truth.
It's your choice. Choose knowledge or choose blind faith.
Psychologist Julian Jaynes said that Joseph Smith was a schizophrenic who heard voices in his head; in other words, he wasn't a charlatan so much as a nutcase.
@IExposeMormonism Folks stay away from the Book of Abraham to stay away from the Cross -- apparently they believe their works are good enough to save them.
@CosmicGrounds Mormonism doesn't use the cross. Well, they do, but it's the Church Brand. So, it has been used. Like at the Mountain Meadows Massacre or any Mormon Cattle Raid, then the church brand, the cross, was employed. Mormonism uses the symbols and words of Christianity but Never in the sense of the established 2000yr history of Christianity.
@TheParad0cks and that is why I am mormon because you have to be the immature one who says fuck. if god were here on the earth right now would he say that? that is why i am not joining any other church you guys like to put us down and show no sympathy.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@yellowcorba1 Why not stick to the subject matter? See? All you Mormons point and call foul when you're cornered. You NEVER discuss scripture, because you can't. You are not illuminated by the holy spirit to be able to interpret it because you don't read it. You cling to your BOM. Bible wasn't good enough, so you wrote your own. You are far from Christ.
If anybody wants to know what the LDS church is really about, if you are feeling that your life has gone off track, if you are all messed up and drugs, booze, gambling or sadness has got a grip on you. Feel free to go on mormon.org and chat with a missionary and find the nearest Chapel to where you live and what time they hold church service on Sundays and pass by, you dont have to get dressed up, they will be happy to meet you and talk to you, and your life will change for the better. :)
This proves nothing, if you knew the real history of these Papyri you would know that only 1/3 of the original Papyri were recovered, thus 2/3 were lost and therefore you have know way of knowing which of the original was translated into what is now known as the book of abraham. Unfortunately for you the evidences that support the book are in far excess of and much more compelling than the evidence you present against it.
Naive? Simpleton? You can believe that if you'd like. No other Religious orginization in the world does more historical and archeological research than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So please, spare us the attacks. I am no simpleton. I search for the facts not the meaningless ramblings of the misinformed.
@keeperman4 "No other Religious orginization in the world does more historical and archeological research than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
Really? Is that why the Smithsonian says there is no archeological evidence that supports the Book of Mormon?
Just google:
Smithsonian statement on the Book of Mormon.
There is the actual letter on the godandscience () org website.
You Mormons are so brainwashed that it's pathetic.
What you fail to explain is that not all of the papyri scrolls were recovered. In the Church's official history Joseph Smith says that he did not finish translating all that were in his possession. Thus, your entire argument is baseless.
it was more than simply the law of circumcision. However emphasis was put on it because the jewish people believed that in order to be brought under the mosaic law a person needed to be circumcised, as the uncircumcised were unclean to them.
They were teaching that not only was faith required but people must also be circumcised and keep the mosaic law to be saved..the keeping of days and others.
@LDS4Life71 * The church is restored * The Internet is the Kiss of Death for this North American sect. The simple fact that you are viewing this material indicates that you are on the High Road to Apostasy™
galations 1:6-9....even if an angel from heaven preach any other gospel let him be acursed. so how can an acursed person enter heaven? how can a mormon that preaches another gospel enter into heaven..they are acured for preaching different gospel. u cant tell me jesus would wait thousands of years to come back in 1800 and tell joseph smith every doctrine on ewrth is wrong. jesus loves us tooo much to leave us hanging for that long.
@cccfish10221022 .even if an angel from heaven preach any other gospel let him be acursed
Thats the point.The angel spokn nd prophesied of by John brought BACK to the earth the True Gospel that had been lost for centuries.That is the angel Moroni.Simple.The LDS fulfills all biblical prophesies and Does contain the Fulness of the Everlasting Gospel.Simple.The Gospel as taught by Christ.All good brother.And to use ur statement.It cannot be proven Untrue anymor than the bible.
since the mormon God and Jesus dont align to the same as the God and Jesus of the bible, they are worshiping a false God and Jesus. the bible is truth, nothing can prove it wrong. mormons like to pick and choose what verses they want to be truth from the bible...they wont pick galations 1:6-9
Paul is speaking of apostate teachings being taught even while he still lived.This is a verse coinciding with the prophecies from Christ nd Paul nd othrs who prophesied of an apostacy and a loss of truth and authority during and soon aftr ther deaths.They also howevr prophesied of a Complete "Restoration" of the true Gospel bak to the earth with the angel flying in the midst of heaven...cont
Prophesied by John the Revelator...Bringing the Everlasting Gospel to bring and Preach the Everlasting Gospel to the Inhabitants of the earth. The truth was lost anciently but as John says an angel wud bring it back somtime b4 the great nd terrible day of the Lord.Simple.That Angel was Moroni and the everlasting gospel is contained within the one and only true and living Church on the planet.The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.Awesome
Id say the sciences does prove it wrong!Apparently we all descend from apes.The earth nd universe is more than 6 days old.And no one can raise anyone from the dead let alone themselves.Specially aftr 3 days.All these and more hav been scientifically proved impossible LOL.
@cccfish10221022 since the mormon God and Jesus dont align to the same as the God and Jesus of the bible
LDS testify that Jesus is the Christ>That He came in the flesh and Is the Son of god.And accepting Him as such According to the Bible Is all thats required to be accepted into His kingdom.According to some.So Id say we as LDS are well within the boundaries of the truth LOL
@TheSnoopy1750 Hey Snoopy. I bin to da MORmON Garden of Eden in Missouri. Nice place. Lots of greenery and no Blacks.
LBS is great for White males. You geto claim that God says it's OK to marry and have sex with desperate teen girls, though you already be married. God say what your wife feels about it does not matter. Only White anDelightsome be himportant.
@robertgift Well I want Joseph Smith's deal where not only can I marry desperate teen girls but also marry women who already have husbands. :-)
The real attraction of the Mormon cult to me is that I myself can become a god and have my own planet when I die. That reward is definitely worth the tithing of 10% of my income!
The Mormon cult sounds very attractive if you don't think about it critically. LOL
@TheSnoopy1750 oooo the fraudster back at it again harrassing the mormons,so why do you feel threatened by the mormons? or what is your obsession,smith is only a charlatan in that small mind of yours!.
@TheSnoopy1750 There's DNA evidence proving the Book of Mormon is a fraud.
DNA does Not prove it wrong.You have not done yur own reserch but simply parrot what yuv heard or read from anti LDS sites.Good for you.LOL.BoM descendants are Not jews so of corse thers no jewish link.Howeva!If usin DNA and believn the Bible then ther has to be a link somewhere as we all descend from the same 2 original beings viz Adam n Eve or perhaps you know Not of them LOLA
BoM Does not say the garden is in Jackson County.I cud be wrong.Pls give ur scriptural evidence and correct me.As far as using science to prove religious beliefs then lets also agree with science evidences saying we descend from apes.LOL.That the earth/universe is far more than a few days old.If ya wanna use science to prove us wrong then the same science also proves the bible a fraud/fantasy and totally Unscientific.LOLA
@jferristube First, Mormon "prophets" said the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. This is well known by everyone.
Second, Africa being the origin of man is scientific consensus with zero support for man starting in North America.
Third, the BoM clearly states that native Americans are of Israeli ancestry. I also referred to the study that says American Indians are of Asian, NOT Israeli ancestry. Hence, the BoM is wrong.
Fourth, the Smithsonian says there is no support for the BoM.
@TheSnoopy1750 study that says American Indians are of Asian, NOT Israeli ancestry
Like ive said.If ya wanna use dna as proof of what yu believe with regards to the origins of Am Indians then ther must be a connection somewher cos we all descend from Adam n Eve.Right?
@TheSnoopy1750 Fourth, the Smithsonian says there is no support for the BoM.
Dont care what the Smithsonian says.
They'll also tell yu ther is No support for all the miracles Christ performed or that He raised Himself from the dead aftr being dead 3 days.LOL
The Kingdom of God and the truth Christ taught and spoke of Is NOT of this world and cannot/will not EVER be proved by science/scientists or clever little men like yoself.LOLA
@jferristube You said "BoM descendants are Not jews so of corse thers no jewish link."
Really?
Alma 10:3 clearly says they were of Israeli ancestry.
"And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren."
Maybe you should actually read the Book of Mormon so you have a clue what you're talking about. LOL
@TheSnoopy1750 Alma 10:3 clearly says they were of Israeli ancestry.
Yes.Of Israely descent.That is true and I never said anything contrary.DNA science tries to connect BoM peoples to the Jews when it is to the house of Joseph wher thers a connection.Where in the world is ther any group of people who are descendants of Joseph?The Lord promised Abraham his seed wud be spread upon the face of the earth among all nations did he not?Israel was not confined to biblical geography dude
@jferristube The Book of Mormon title page also clearly says they are of Israeli ancestry.
"Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel".
So all you needed to do is read the BoM title page and you would know this. LOL
@TheSnoopy1750 So all you needed to do is read the BoM title page and you would know this. LOL
I kno the BoM more than yu will eva hope to.
Like i said DNA is not conclusive and if ya believe the bible then anything Darwin or the sciences say(that Prove the earth n the universe is billions of yrs old) is incorrect and science has it all wrong.
@jferristube "lets also agree with science evidences saying we descend from apes.LOL"
I realize that you're poorly educated in science (and the basic rules of grammar), but your statement is incorrect. Man shares a common ancestor with apes, we are not descendants of apes.
Since you not only lack a basic understanding of the Book of Mormon and how it claims native Americans are of Israeli ancestry, you don't even understand the basics of evolution.
@TheSnoopy1750 yeah you say that to everyone who has disproven or debunked your nonsense,you are totally unreasonable and resort to calling names because you dont get your way well tough too bad! get the hell over it!
@getdownto311 Everyone debunked what I said? Really?
The BoM quotes are clear. The DNA evidence is clear.
Only a brainwashed cult member like you would refuse to accept the obvious truth. Everyone else knows that you Mormons are gullible weirdos be played by an organization started by the charlatan Joseph Smith.
Arguing with a delusional cult member is futile so I must say goodbye now.
@TheSnoopy1750 yeah knew you were going to say that,tyupical brainwashed anti-mormon who has nothing better to do thatn go bash mormons because we dont believe the same way you believe,charlatan? you love beating dead horses your a dumbass!
Science/Darwins theory say we descend from apes.Common knowledge.LOL. Oh and what or who wud that common ancestor be anyway then bright spark?
Yur the ignorant one tryin to make urself look/sound intelligent.
English not my 1st language LOLA
The Lamanites are descended from Israel thru Joseph NOT Judah.Ya need to get yourself educated and stop accusing me of not knowing what the BoM says about anything.LOLA
@TheSnoopy1750 you don't even understand the basics of evolution.
And you do???LOL
For yur info I care not what evolution says. Im just sayin that if ya gonna play the science card to prove the BoM false then ya have to use science with regard to all religious biblical "stories" accounts.Ya obviously dont undrstand what the essence of my argumnt on that point was.Seein as yur far more intelligent than Me I wudve thort yu cudve worked that out for yoself.LOLA
The Maxwell Institute istaffed by BYU professors and others whose incomes depend on active LD$ membership. Their "scholarly research" on DNA is one-sided, illogical, and not even peer-reviewed. There is NO DNA scholar (outside of the LD$ "scientists") who accepts the BOM as fact. Recently, bothe Smithsonian Institution and National Geographic have specifically EXCLUDED the BOM as an accurate historical or archeological documenthat could be used in their research.
@WillLawFirm "I'm happy to be one of those Naive simpletons."
Proof that ignorance can be bliss!
God loves Hokus-Pokus; Seer stones and magic hat.
But DNA testing proves that American Indians are NOT descendents of a tribe of Israel. Joe Smif'seer stones failed to inform him that DNA testing wouldisprove his claims in the latter days. Bad seer stones, bad seer stones.
Regarding Lime Jello: "It's delicious to the taste, and very desirable." -(Oh, I'm noto mention that phrase. It'sacred.)
@robertgift Ignorance is bliss. If you would have read the Book of Mormon instead of quoting anti-Mormon literature, then you would have known that the Nephites (the descendant's of Israel ) were destroyed. Second, you would know that there were multiple migrations of people and their ancestry is unknown. However, DNA evidence does create a problem for the Book of Mormon because the BOM does make reference to the Adam and Eve story which DNA evidence contradicts.
@WillLawFirm The Nephites and the Lamanites of the Book of MORmON had several periods when they were ONE people, mixed their families & thus their blood. No way to know which group ended up which. Those coming from Israel were still among the last of those killed off, and ALSO among those who survived.
Yes DNA evidence does NIX the Book of MORmON because the BOM does make reference to the Adam and Eve myth, which DNA evidence contradicts.
@robertgift It is disingenuous to state that DNA evidence disproves the Book of Mormon. MtDNA research is far more complex than what you are stating. Plus you have a limited understanding of the Book of Mormon (based on your posts). For scholarly research on the subject please go to the maxwell institute.
@WillLawFirm "scholarly" reseach is not eveneeded. I have a very limited understanding of the BOM. Will not waste my time reading it. The hokus-pokus alone isufficient evidunce. The racism, homophobia, sexism, and worthless rituals is morevidunce.
In this dispensation, the Lds Prophet (President, who claimed he wont lead members astray) is spending three BILLION dollars of Gods money on a shopping mall instead of helping the hungry poverty stricken families that have been thrown to the wolves by this wicked society. Jesus said " Give all that you have or ye are not my disciple" Mr Monson has chosen business(world) not Jesus!
i guess that makes me a simpleton. you got nothing better to do than to put people down. prove to me this is what joseph smith used to translate. it is written he lost this manuscript it was probably burned up with all his stuff when he was being attacked by people like you. lets see he was tarred and feathered, beat up then murdered with no gun or protection dragged to a tree and used as target practice. get a life and leave mormans alone
So the document was lost... and someone somewhere believes a random egyptian writing was the one he translated? Please...
If you would stop all this high and mighty talk trying to show how smart you are and how dumb others beliefs are, you would see that Mormonism makes sense. We as a human race are learning and progressing towards bettering ourselves and overcoming obstacles, not just to be forgiven of our sins but to make an effort to correct our path. Our Heavenly Father wants us to grow
Today I'm resigning from the Mormon church! These are petty, yet fascinating details that so blatantly debunk that Joseph Smith really had any translating abilities (he wasn't even literate and had other people copy it down from him orally!) because I'm an atheist. It's this same kind of critical analysis which shows religion has no credit to reality, that these ideas can only be taken on faith, and the notion that a lot of these questions we have can only be answered as: we don't really know.
No complaints or excuses. If you have time to bash and disprove then you have time to read. It's just as easy looking at the serpent to be healed but people are just so frickin' prideful.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Lords Kingdom on earth.
"If you speak against it, it matters not, for the word of God must be fulfilled." Alma 5:58
"Some have been taught to be suspicious of the Church, to operate under negative stereotypes about the Chruch without questiong their source and validity. There is also a great deal of misinformation and confusion about the Church and what it stands for. " L. Tom Perry. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that the true teachings understood correctly are the truth. If you have questions, use a valid source! try lds.org.
@sdsimmons11 You use the word "know" inaccurately. If you cannot prove it, you cannot know it. You believe it. Mormonism makes a reasonably good culture, but it's based off of a liars stories. Also see Kinderhook plates. Your churches dirty laundry is too fresh to not be found. It's conjecture is provably false. Native Americans are descended from Asia not the middle east.
@learsiad Jesus Christ himself taught against what you just said. In Mathew 16:15-17. Peter answers Christ question about who he is and Christ say, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Also in the scriptures it say by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW the truth of all things. Do you think that at the time of Christ men could prove that Christ was the son God? Most thought crazy. People started rumors...
@learsiad that He was of the devil himself. And no one could prove that Christ was the literally son of God as he said he was. So how did people know...such as Peter, that Christ was the son of God? By the Father through the spirit. The kinderhook plates: False. The dirty laundry: put there by the same kind of people who did that to Christ. Asia decendents? Who knows...maybe some, but some were from the middle east. How do I know? I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Bible and have spent...
@learsiad time on my knees with the only true source of truth...my father in heaven and you cannot tell me that I do not know...I do know. I have never seen God and an angel did not come to me and say the Book of Mormon is true, but I have felt His spirit testify to me. I am confident that any person who sat down and read the Book of Mormon sincerely wanting to know if it is of God and ask Him...He would reveal to you of its truth. Don't trust men, trust God as Peter did and as Christ said to.
@sdsimmons11 what you are talking about is clinical delusion. you do not know it. you devoutly believe it. that is fact. if you state otherwise you are lying to yourself and to those within earshot of you. using scripture to support delusion is hardly support, only rationalization. it's a hard pill to swallow but it is true. devoutly believe whatever you like but do not lie to yourself and call it knowledge. you diminish your own reasoning in doing so.
@learsiad Like I said that is not what Jesus Christ taught and i will trust in Him. According to what you are saying, religion doesn't have answers, it has guesses. That's sad. God didn't put us here on earth to just guess and believe devoutly, but never really know the truth. He didn't leave us here just to argue back and forth never finding an answer. He tells us to "ask and He will give." James 1:5. Scripture is truth cause it came from Him. YOUR theory is nowhere in His books.
@sdsimmons11 You say it has guesses. That's inaccurate, it has educated & objective analysis of information & deducted conclusions. Your religion doesn't even have guesses. It has debunked myths & fables. There is no accepted science to support religion. If you accept your faith over facts how is that different from a clinically insane person? There is also no credible evidence to show prayer has ever worked. if one talks in ones head and expects it heard elsewhere is that not insane as well?
@LDS4Life71 Not pathetic, just unwilling to go to God with questions. We live in a world that thinks faith and prayer are insane...not real. It just makes me thankful that God has answered my prayers and that He does love me. Jesus Christ and His gospel are my rock and there are a lot of theories out there that in the end will only be quick sand. Anyone who asks and seeks God finds truth...always. I wish all people really did believe in God enough to go to him. This world would be better.
@gfscarface13 Galatians is talking about a problem the people of Galatia were facing. If you understood the history of Christianity you would understand, that the other gospel Paul was referring to was the law of circumcision, and that is all. You are accursed.
...if Josepf Smith's translation of the egytptian parchment could be discredited, and proven false, then doubt would be thrown also upon the genuineness or his translation of book of the mormon, and thus all his pretension as a translator would be exposed and come naught. .....B.H. Roberts - Comprehensive History of the Church (2:138)
Please, tell me if there is any member, that have read this before.
...if Josepf Smith's translation of the egytptian parchment could be discredited, and proven false, then doubt would be thrown also upon the genuineness or his translation of book of the mormon, and thus all his pretension as a translator would be exposed and come naught. .....B.H. Roberts - Comprehensive History of the Church (2:138)
Please, tell me if there is any member, that have read this before.
OF OTHER RELIGIONS. EVEN THOUGH THEY BELIEVE THEIR CHURCH IS TRUE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD A MORMAN PUT DOWN SOMEONE ELSES RELIIGION WHEN SHARING THEIR TEACHINGS OF LDS.
@clackmanack215 .. my my... never heard that the LDS is the only true church? You don't recognise that as the LDS Organisation PUTTING SOMEONE ELSES religion DOWN? ... my my ... read Adventures of Huckleberry Finn aka No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith
@BluTool ... your dumb?... YOUR dumb? .... well there you go... lol. I'll spell it out for you.. you want to say "You're dumb".. but can't quite get your head around it can you? Perhaps you should learn to read before you try printing... or get your smartest buddy to write messages for you.
@54v115 if your best comeback only contains and argument about a one letter difference in spelling a word that typically most people misspell, usually on purpose as it's mostly unnecessary to spell out on comments/txts/emails/ etc., then you sir need to find a life, quickly. i bet if i had said "ur" then you wouldn't have said anything, because it's called shorthand, or short-type, whichever is sounds more appealing to YOU.
dang - check out this website w w w (dot) challengemin (dot) org/moon (dot) html . i had no idea.
PuckettFamily 2 days ago
Brigham Young racked up almost 60 wifes...nearly doubling that of Joseph Smith... these guys were real "Gluttons for Punishment". imagine how the wives must felt. used?? ya think?? King Soloman racked up 300 wives and 700 conqubines... he holds the record.
PuckettFamily 2 days ago
wow
ralphlow187 1 week ago
Religion is a crock of shit and should be burned and buried and lit on fire again and it should be forgotten. Its 2012. The so called gods are aliens
UnitedStatesOfSpange 1 week ago
@UnitedStatesOfSpange Yup....thats what I believe....and it pisses me off people think its a crazy idea. There are billion of planets JUST in the milky way galaxy....which is one of billions of galaxies....its so big its hard to think about. There has to be life somewhere else out there...its just common sense
TheJayWar 1 week ago
Puckettfamily@I will put you in my prayers because you have some MAJOR issues.
Aldensmawmaw 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 do you believe all of the teachings of Mormonism or r u just a dabbler?
PuckettFamily 2 weeks ago
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mrdarrickevenson 2 weeks ago
the only true covering for sin and shame is found in the BLOOD OF JESUS. when mankind fell and tried to cover their sin with a fig leaf... God can down and found Adam and "helped" him by providing a "more adequate" covering for his sin. it required the shedding of blood. Our sins are cleanses when we are "washed in the blood of the Lamb". Jesus can save you. the REAL JESUS that is. not the Mormon Jesus. I speak on the AUTHORITY of the SCRIPTURE... not on any man made religion.
PuckettFamily 2 weeks ago
@PuckettFamily no we believe in somthing called "repenting" for our sins. not covering them up with leaves, and theres not a differens in the jesus from the bible and the book of mormon they're the same person.
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@PuckettFamily said: "I speak on the AUTHORITY of the SCRIPTURE... not on any man made religion."
Um - who do you think wrote your scriptures? Men. The same men who created religions thousands of years ago, during the 1800s, and today.
Your "authority" exists only in your mind.
NarkAnon 6 days ago
@NarkAnon have you ever read the Bible? - it will speak for itself. it's history is VALIDATED by archeology. it is a secular history textbook in Isreal. the Book of Mormon on the otherhand CANNOT BE VALIDATED using any means whatsoever. plus it's just a bad read. not inspired.
PuckettFamily 6 days ago
@PuckettFamily
Yeah, I've read the Bible. Several times, actually.
And while there are indeed some historical figures and places used in the Bible (unlike the Nephites and Lamanites in the Book of Mormon - I'll give you that one), there is absolutely ZERO evidence that any of the supernatural God-based events in the Bible actually happened. It's like saying that the Mormon Doctrine & Covenants must be true because it mentions real people and places in history.
NarkAnon 5 days ago
@NarkAnon - would you agree that the Bible is the Word of God?
PuckettFamily 4 days ago
@PuckettFamily
I would refer you to my original comment from 3 days ago. The Bible was written, compiled, and edited by men for the purposes of men.
Some of those purposes have been good. Some of those purposes have been evil. And some have just been self-serving.
NarkAnon 3 days ago
@NarkAnon - you dismiss and underestimate the Power of the Almighty. There are a few scriptures that (dare i say PROVE) that the Bible is an integrated message system that comes fron outside our time domain. Yes, a man did hold the pen and "wrote" but these men were obviously inspired (unlike Joseph Smith who was a fraud and a counterfiet). are you an atheiest? how can you explain the Prophecies in the old testament that were fulfilled exactly in the person of Jesus?
PuckettFamily 3 days ago
@PuckettFamily
How can you possibly know what prophecies Jesus (meaning the presumed real-life person the supernatural Jesus may or may not be based upon) actually fulfilled? Sure the New Testament says Jesus did all kinds of stuff that fulfilled Old Testament prophecies. Don't you think that the writers (and later editors) of the NT knew all about those OT prophecies before they started writing? Just because they said it happened doesn't mean it did.
NarkAnon 2 days ago
@NarkAnon - thats a good point. i actually just "believed" that the Bible was true and trusted that God could keep in intact and free from "Human Pollutions". My discovery is that the Bible is a message system: it’s not simply 66 books penned by 40 authors over thousands of years, the Bible is an integrated whole which bears evidence of supernatural engineering in every detail.... hehehee... LOVE IT !!!
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PuckettFamily 2 days ago
@PuckettFamily
Well, it's perfectly OK that you believe that, despite a complete lack of any objective evidence that it's actually the case. Just like it's completely OK what the Mormons believe in spite of all that logic and Occam's Razor that would dictate otherwise. After all, they believe the Bible to be the word of God too, just with parts left out.
Yet another way in which you're much like the Mormons in what you choose to believe, regardless of reality.
NarkAnon 2 days ago
did you know that the Endowment ceremony in many ways exhaults Lucifer over Elohim...?? Mormons actually celebrate the fall of man (ie disobedience...in taking from the Tree in the midst of the garden). one can say that this is OBEDIENCE to SATAN. Mormons don the little green apron as Lucifer instructs. (tidbid - the green apron supposed to represent the fig leaf that mankind "covered" their sin and shame. SATAN WANTS YOU TO TRY TO COVER YOUR SIN and not allow you to come to salvation
PuckettFamily 2 weeks ago
@PuckettFamily we don't celebrate the fall of man
chadro85 2 weeks ago
So this just shows that what they found is not what they thought they found. It disproves nothing.
varishnakov 3 weeks ago
this is just one tiny thing among thousands of things that DISPROVE mormonism. dont you just love those DEMONIC SYMBOLS on their temples?? and DNA tests apply to everyone ELSE in the world...
PuckettFamily 3 weeks ago
@PuckettFamily its not "disproved" you can't prove or disprove any reilgion.
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 oh yeah?? prove it :-)
PuckettFamily 2 weeks ago
@PuckettFamily prove what? did you not see i just got done telling emperor0013 how science can't prove any religion right or wrong. (and infact science by it self can't prove anything at all lol)
or are you talking about somthing eles?
chadro85 2 weeks ago
The Abraham Papyrus is an absurd fraud and easily disproved. An embarrassment to the Hierarchy . This joke is what Joe conjured up out of his perception of Real Egyptian. He was wrong 100% of the time! Statistically significant but in the wrong direction. So, how much error is there in the Book of Mormon, translated from non existent "reformed" Egyptian for which not a scintilla of evidence exists. And translated with the plates outside and his head in his hat with his pet rock!?
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago 2
this is hilarious! see.joseph smith had just studied hebrew prior to the transaltions.. "ha kau kabeam" a star name he translated comes from his study of hebrew,"kokab" is star in hebrew.. he made it all up himself! he had a fertile imagination.
Aldarionz9 3 weeks ago
@Aldarionz9 he did not make it up himself
chadro85 2 weeks ago
There are a lot of business in Anti-mormonism.
dorisfenella 3 weeks ago
@zurekthrills Geez who? Jesus. Jesus is a joke. I'll never understand why people think a Jewish carpenter who lived 2000 years ago was any kind of Messiah.
Samael51760 3 weeks ago
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Chinaculiacan 3 weeks ago
It is shocking, the lengths of self-deception that some of the mormons in these comments will go through to preserve their fragile faith. You give them -fact- about the well-documented lies that J Smith told with the Book of Abraham, and what do they do? They insult the person who made the video. They don't even address the issue before they dismiss it entirely.
Thank you, mormon commenters, for being great example of the intellectual incompetence of a believer.
emperor0013 3 weeks ago
@emperor0013 it is not a fraud, or lies, i know my church is true
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 Except we have proof it is not. Sorry kid.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 you have not proved it. infact you can't prove any reilgion right or wrong.
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 We have proof of some book of mormon claims being false. If the "most correct book on earth" is false, so is your religion.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 what proof. because its not a false book or religion. i know its not.
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 Lets start with the BoM claim that Native Americans are of Jewish descent being proven false by DNA testing? That is kind of a big one because it is the premise of the entire book.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 who or where does it say the native americans were jewish?
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 The Nephites and Lamanites are all descendants of Lehi, who was Jewish. If you didn't know that, you have never read the book of mormon.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 i knew that, but where does it say they were "native americans" and if it did, which were they (example: ute band)
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 I am not going to hold your hand and walk you through this. You have google, use it. This isn't an obscure claim by the church, it is the PREMISE OF YOUR ENTIRE BOOK. Lehi and his children came to the americas through wooden boats and populated the americas where wars occurred between the nephites and lamanites (also something we have zero archeological evidence for). The mormon church claims all native americans are descendants of nephites and lamanites. Which is false.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 look do you know how much crap and lies there are out there on the internet about mormons.(i know because i too was once an anti-mormon) so no i will not "google it". if you are so very sure its false you give me the reason and legit facts yourself, and don't try to confuse me with the lies that are about the mormons because i aready know what they're from the past.
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 I was a mormon for two decades of my life. I stopped being mormon after I took the time to research legitimate documented fact concerning the history of the church. This is not information you can get from the church. Use mormonthink(dot)com, as it is an UNBIASED source written by both members and non members who are interested in the facts surrounding the claims the church makes.
mormonthink (dot) com/book-of-mormon-problems (dot) htm#DNA
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 look i hate to offened you but you've been blinded by satan. as i've been there i know how you felt when you left and probably how you feel now. i've been there ok. now back to research and all that, as i already said the internet is full of lies, and again if you going to take me on this i want to here the research from you, not a video not a website, you. ok
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 I spent -two decades- being a faithful member. It was factual information that made me realize the church is a verified scam. I see you have already developed the standard mormon defense: putting your fingers in your ears and refusing to listen. Congratulations, you are an intellectual coward. You are actually stupid enough to believe that the church you pay money to is giving you all the facts? Not only that, but that there are no more "correct" facts outside the church? Wow.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 Keep burying your head in the sand, kid. Meanwhile, the facts remain unchanged. Your prophets are liars whether you are willing to believe it or not.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 haha oh really then so if you seem to know those facts so well that have "remained unchanged" why is it so hard for you just to just striaght out tell me the answer. where in the book of mormon does it say that, or who said it
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Lamanite
I am not going to copy paste the article here. The church makes the claim based on the book of mormon and the fact that such large numbers of people don't just vanish, and are traceable through DNA.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 I suppose you are going to dismiss the blatant racism inherent in the church history as well?
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 no i can talk with you on that as well. now again sorry if i have offened you in anyway and gotten a little cocky, but somthimes i get a little ahead of myself and offened people or get them angrey.
now can we please just get back on topic and not go out on side personal attacks what ever. so anyway before i start to talk to you about the history of racism in the church. may i ask if you actually know the answer to my question, or is it just going to go no where?
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 my bad that was **now** at the start of my comment not *no*
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85
Book of Mormon introduction: "It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains. the fullness of the everlasting gospel.
The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites.
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emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."
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emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 ok very good but where in the book of mormon does it say this. (you know like chapters, pages, verses, etc)
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 That is part of the introduction or preface to the book.
I don't expect what is supposed to be ancient writings to depict the genetic future of one of its participants, no. That doesn't make it not a core tenant of the mormon religion.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 sorry Chadro - unfortunately YOU are the BLINDED one. you have been duped by the counterfiet false church. keep looking, keep searching for truth, keep your heart and mind open to the HOLY SPIRIT. He will guide you into all truth. Jesus is alive. He is real. He is NOT RELIGION. Religion cannot save. Baptism cannot. Baptism for the dead is vanity. Joseph Smith was a adulterous con...as was Brigham... there were supposed to be men on the moon...DNA...Blacks...on and on
PuckettFamily 6 days ago
@PuckettFamily the church is not false, i know it is true, joseph smith and brigham young were not cons.
and what do you mean "there were supposed to be men on the moon...DNA...Blacks...on and on"?
chadro85 2 days ago
@chadro85 - my testimony is THE MORMON CHURCH IS FALSE, I KNOW JOSEPH SMITH IS A FALSE PROPHET AND THE BOOK OF MORMON IS MAKE BELIEVE...
PuckettFamily 2 days ago
@PuckettFamily Just like the bible and the Koran.
soulinite 2 days ago
@chadro85 DNA testing has proven Native Americans are not descendants of Jewish lineage.
That is the fact. What is so confusing about this to you?
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
@emperor0013 again where or who does it say the native americans were jewish.
chadro85 2 weeks ago
@chadro85 It is the WHOLE BOOK. Lehi's children came to America and thrived and grew into two warring tribes: the Nephites and Lamanites. The Lamanites, stricken with dark skin, beat the wholesome white Nephites and eventually became Native Americans as we know them today. This isn't a brand new thing. It is, again, the premise of the ENTIRE BOOK.
emperor0013 2 weeks ago
this doesnt disprove anything.. it only PROVES that you are a MORON!!!
wyattahay 1 month ago
@wyattahay Actually, it proves that the Book of Breathings is a real ancient book and the Book of Abraham is nonsense.
You have 2 choices to make now:
1. Dig deeper and learn more about the Book of Breathings
2. Continue to believe whatever you want to believe and ignore what Egyptologists and non-Mormons have to say. Dismissing them as anti-Mormon rather than pro-truth.
It's your choice. Choose knowledge or choose blind faith.
Samael51760 3 weeks ago
Psychologist Julian Jaynes said that Joseph Smith was a schizophrenic who heard voices in his head; in other words, he wasn't a charlatan so much as a nutcase.
Fuliginosus 1 month ago
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jaromsmiss 1 month ago
I guess we'll know at his second coming.
ArnoldLDS19 1 month ago
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alleywayss 1 month ago
and so what?
osemoboable 1 month ago
If Mormons would study the Book of Abraham like they study genealogies they would flee the Mormon Hierarchy.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism Folks stay away from the Book of Abraham to stay away from the Cross -- apparently they believe their works are good enough to save them.
CosmicGrounds 1 month ago
@CosmicGrounds Mormonism doesn't use the cross. Well, they do, but it's the Church Brand. So, it has been used. Like at the Mountain Meadows Massacre or any Mormon Cattle Raid, then the church brand, the cross, was employed. Mormonism uses the symbols and words of Christianity but Never in the sense of the established 2000yr history of Christianity.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism
No doubt.
MittReagan 1 month ago
this video is stupid.
retrogamerdave 1 month ago 2
Fuck mormons and organized relign i follow the bible and the bible alone not these assholes who use it to control the world
TheParad0cks 1 month ago
@TheParad0cks colorful language towards the mormons why the hostility...yet you claim you follow the bible? your a prick!
getdownto311 1 month ago
@TheParad0cks and that is why I am mormon because you have to be the immature one who says fuck. if god were here on the earth right now would he say that? that is why i am not joining any other church you guys like to put us down and show no sympathy.
yellowcorba1 1 month ago
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Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
gfscarface13 1 month ago
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@yellowcorba1 Why not stick to the subject matter? See? All you Mormons point and call foul when you're cornered. You NEVER discuss scripture, because you can't. You are not illuminated by the holy spirit to be able to interpret it because you don't read it. You cling to your BOM. Bible wasn't good enough, so you wrote your own. You are far from Christ.
twocentsin6 1 month ago
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Robyshileileh 1 month ago
Um, wow.
charlybear98 1 month ago
This proves nothing, if you knew the real history of these Papyri you would know that only 1/3 of the original Papyri were recovered, thus 2/3 were lost and therefore you have know way of knowing which of the original was translated into what is now known as the book of abraham. Unfortunately for you the evidences that support the book are in far excess of and much more compelling than the evidence you present against it.
bthompson090 1 month ago
Why are people so threatened by mormons? Sad waste of time, this
idahoboi22 1 month ago
Naive? Simpleton? You can believe that if you'd like. No other Religious orginization in the world does more historical and archeological research than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So please, spare us the attacks. I am no simpleton. I search for the facts not the meaningless ramblings of the misinformed.
keeperman4 1 month ago
@keeperman4 "No other Religious orginization in the world does more historical and archeological research than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
Really? Is that why the Smithsonian says there is no archeological evidence that supports the Book of Mormon?
Just google:
Smithsonian statement on the Book of Mormon.
There is the actual letter on the godandscience () org website.
You Mormons are so brainwashed that it's pathetic.
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
What you fail to explain is that not all of the papyri scrolls were recovered. In the Church's official history Joseph Smith says that he did not finish translating all that were in his possession. Thus, your entire argument is baseless.
jack82431 1 month ago
which Jesus?
The jesus who was and is and always will be the living God who created all things in heaven and in earth?
Or the jesus whose father became God and him likewise through progression to godhood and is one of many gods throughout the universe?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago 2
@lds4life71
it was more than simply the law of circumcision. However emphasis was put on it because the jewish people believed that in order to be brought under the mosaic law a person needed to be circumcised, as the uncircumcised were unclean to them.
They were teaching that not only was faith required but people must also be circumcised and keep the mosaic law to be saved..the keeping of days and others.
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
How are these facts verifiable?
CumnockBaptist 1 month ago
You spouting anti's are pathetic. The church is restored, and Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God. :D
LDS4Life71 1 month ago
@LDS4Life71 * The church is restored * The Internet is the Kiss of Death for this North American sect. The simple fact that you are viewing this material indicates that you are on the High Road to Apostasy™
eeikman 1 month ago
Its funny because every time someone becomes a morman he get a pitch fork of hot iron up his booty hole
Mr170924 2 months ago
galations 1:6-9....even if an angel from heaven preach any other gospel let him be acursed. so how can an acursed person enter heaven? how can a mormon that preaches another gospel enter into heaven..they are acured for preaching different gospel. u cant tell me jesus would wait thousands of years to come back in 1800 and tell joseph smith every doctrine on ewrth is wrong. jesus loves us tooo much to leave us hanging for that long.
cccfish10221022 2 months ago
@cccfish10221022 .even if an angel from heaven preach any other gospel let him be acursed
Thats the point.The angel spokn nd prophesied of by John brought BACK to the earth the True Gospel that had been lost for centuries.That is the angel Moroni.Simple.The LDS fulfills all biblical prophesies and Does contain the Fulness of the Everlasting Gospel.Simple.The Gospel as taught by Christ.All good brother.And to use ur statement.It cannot be proven Untrue anymor than the bible.
jferristube 1 month ago
since the mormon God and Jesus dont align to the same as the God and Jesus of the bible, they are worshiping a false God and Jesus. the bible is truth, nothing can prove it wrong. mormons like to pick and choose what verses they want to be truth from the bible...they wont pick galations 1:6-9
cccfish10221022 2 months ago
@cccfish10221022 they wont pick galations 1:6-9
Why wud we not use this verse?We do!LOL
Paul is speaking of apostate teachings being taught even while he still lived.This is a verse coinciding with the prophecies from Christ nd Paul nd othrs who prophesied of an apostacy and a loss of truth and authority during and soon aftr ther deaths.They also howevr prophesied of a Complete "Restoration" of the true Gospel bak to the earth with the angel flying in the midst of heaven...cont
jferristube 1 month ago
@cccfish10221022 Cont...
Prophesied by John the Revelator...Bringing the Everlasting Gospel to bring and Preach the Everlasting Gospel to the Inhabitants of the earth. The truth was lost anciently but as John says an angel wud bring it back somtime b4 the great nd terrible day of the Lord.Simple.That Angel was Moroni and the everlasting gospel is contained within the one and only true and living Church on the planet.The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.Awesome
jferristube 1 month ago
@cccfish10221022 the bible is truth, nothing can prove it wrong
Id say the sciences does prove it wrong!Apparently we all descend from apes.The earth nd universe is more than 6 days old.And no one can raise anyone from the dead let alone themselves.Specially aftr 3 days.All these and more hav been scientifically proved impossible LOL.
jferristube 1 month ago
@cccfish10221022 since the mormon God and Jesus dont align to the same as the God and Jesus of the bible
LDS testify that Jesus is the Christ>That He came in the flesh and Is the Son of god.And accepting Him as such According to the Bible Is all thats required to be accepted into His kingdom.According to some.So Id say we as LDS are well within the boundaries of the truth LOL
jferristube 1 month ago
mormons are good people. their beliefs about God and Jesus are wrong. it's sad.
jadetiger88888 2 months ago
There's DNA evidence proving the Book of Mormon is a fraud.
The BoM claims that American Indians are a tribe of Israel - DNA proves this is false.
Given Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon is "100% true" and straight from God, was God wrong?
Great article on this, just google:
Los Angeles Times mormon bedrock of a faith is jolted
BoM also says the Garden of Eden was in Missouri when we now know man originated in Africa.
Mormonism is a cult made up by the charlatan Joseph Smith. Period.
TheSnoopy1750 2 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Hey Snoopy. I bin to da MORmON Garden of Eden in Missouri. Nice place. Lots of greenery and no Blacks.
LBS is great for White males. You geto claim that God says it's OK to marry and have sex with desperate teen girls, though you already be married. God say what your wife feels about it does not matter. Only White anDelightsome be himportant.
robertgift 2 months ago
@robertgift Well I want Joseph Smith's deal where not only can I marry desperate teen girls but also marry women who already have husbands. :-)
The real attraction of the Mormon cult to me is that I myself can become a god and have my own planet when I die. That reward is definitely worth the tithing of 10% of my income!
The Mormon cult sounds very attractive if you don't think about it critically. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 2 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Oh. Thanks. I forgot about Smif marrying the wives of other men. Buthose men were away, which is why God told Smif it was OK.
My Chinese wife be.tter at ruling other planet. She good at ruling me. Now I must lake reaf. (Rake leaf.)
robertgift 2 months ago
@TheSnoopy1750 oooo the fraudster back at it again harrassing the mormons,so why do you feel threatened by the mormons? or what is your obsession,smith is only a charlatan in that small mind of yours!.
getdownto311 1 month ago
@getdownto311 I gave facts proving that Mormonism is a fraudulent cult.
And you have yet to disprove any of them.
It looks like you, like Joseph Smith, are the fraud.
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 There's DNA evidence proving the Book of Mormon is a fraud.
DNA does Not prove it wrong.You have not done yur own reserch but simply parrot what yuv heard or read from anti LDS sites.Good for you.LOL.BoM descendants are Not jews so of corse thers no jewish link.Howeva!If usin DNA and believn the Bible then ther has to be a link somewhere as we all descend from the same 2 original beings viz Adam n Eve or perhaps you know Not of them LOLA
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 we now know man originated in Africa.
BoM Does not say the garden is in Jackson County.I cud be wrong.Pls give ur scriptural evidence and correct me.As far as using science to prove religious beliefs then lets also agree with science evidences saying we descend from apes.LOL.That the earth/universe is far more than a few days old.If ya wanna use science to prove us wrong then the same science also proves the bible a fraud/fantasy and totally Unscientific.LOLA
jferristube 1 month ago
@jferristube First, Mormon "prophets" said the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. This is well known by everyone.
Second, Africa being the origin of man is scientific consensus with zero support for man starting in North America.
Third, the BoM clearly states that native Americans are of Israeli ancestry. I also referred to the study that says American Indians are of Asian, NOT Israeli ancestry. Hence, the BoM is wrong.
Fourth, the Smithsonian says there is no support for the BoM.
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 First, Mormon "prophets" said the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. This is well known by everyone.
You earlier stated that the BoM said the Garden was in Missouri and now your sayin the prophets have said it.Make up your mind LOL
How do yu kno it wasnt anyway?If it wasnt ther then where was it?Africa?Got scientific proof of that?
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 study that says American Indians are of Asian, NOT Israeli ancestry
Like ive said.If ya wanna use dna as proof of what yu believe with regards to the origins of Am Indians then ther must be a connection somewher cos we all descend from Adam n Eve.Right?
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Fourth, the Smithsonian says there is no support for the BoM.
Dont care what the Smithsonian says.
They'll also tell yu ther is No support for all the miracles Christ performed or that He raised Himself from the dead aftr being dead 3 days.LOL
The Kingdom of God and the truth Christ taught and spoke of Is NOT of this world and cannot/will not EVER be proved by science/scientists or clever little men like yoself.LOLA
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Second, Africa being the origin of man is scientific consensus
Again I dont base my faith and beliefs on the knowledg of Man or the sciences.Science itself is ever changing.Tell me ya know that!
jferristube 1 month ago
@jferristube You said "BoM descendants are Not jews so of corse thers no jewish link."
Really?
Alma 10:3 clearly says they were of Israeli ancestry.
"And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren."
Maybe you should actually read the Book of Mormon so you have a clue what you're talking about. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 Alma 10:3 clearly says they were of Israeli ancestry.
Yes.Of Israely descent.That is true and I never said anything contrary.DNA science tries to connect BoM peoples to the Jews when it is to the house of Joseph wher thers a connection.Where in the world is ther any group of people who are descendants of Joseph?The Lord promised Abraham his seed wud be spread upon the face of the earth among all nations did he not?Israel was not confined to biblical geography dude
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750
and the peoples of the BoM is a record of one of the lost tribes of Israel.The tribe of Joseph.Simple
jferristube 1 month ago
@jferristube The Book of Mormon title page also clearly says they are of Israeli ancestry.
"Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel".
So all you needed to do is read the BoM title page and you would know this. LOL
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 So all you needed to do is read the BoM title page and you would know this. LOL
I kno the BoM more than yu will eva hope to.
Like i said DNA is not conclusive and if ya believe the bible then anything Darwin or the sciences say(that Prove the earth n the universe is billions of yrs old) is incorrect and science has it all wrong.
jferristube 1 month ago
@jferristube "lets also agree with science evidences saying we descend from apes.LOL"
I realize that you're poorly educated in science (and the basic rules of grammar), but your statement is incorrect. Man shares a common ancestor with apes, we are not descendants of apes.
Since you not only lack a basic understanding of the Book of Mormon and how it claims native Americans are of Israeli ancestry, you don't even understand the basics of evolution.
Goodbye ignorant one.
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 yeah you say that to everyone who has disproven or debunked your nonsense,you are totally unreasonable and resort to calling names because you dont get your way well tough too bad! get the hell over it!
getdownto311 1 month ago
@getdownto311 Everyone debunked what I said? Really?
The BoM quotes are clear. The DNA evidence is clear.
Only a brainwashed cult member like you would refuse to accept the obvious truth. Everyone else knows that you Mormons are gullible weirdos be played by an organization started by the charlatan Joseph Smith.
Arguing with a delusional cult member is futile so I must say goodbye now.
TheSnoopy1750 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 yeah knew you were going to say that,tyupical brainwashed anti-mormon who has nothing better to do thatn go bash mormons because we dont believe the same way you believe,charlatan? you love beating dead horses your a dumbass!
getdownto311 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750we are not descendants of apes.
Obviously You kno nothn
Science/Darwins theory say we descend from apes.Common knowledge.LOL. Oh and what or who wud that common ancestor be anyway then bright spark?
Yur the ignorant one tryin to make urself look/sound intelligent.
English not my 1st language LOLA
The Lamanites are descended from Israel thru Joseph NOT Judah.Ya need to get yourself educated and stop accusing me of not knowing what the BoM says about anything.LOLA
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750 you don't even understand the basics of evolution.
And you do???LOL
For yur info I care not what evolution says. Im just sayin that if ya gonna play the science card to prove the BoM false then ya have to use science with regard to all religious biblical "stories" accounts.Ya obviously dont undrstand what the essence of my argumnt on that point was.Seein as yur far more intelligent than Me I wudve thort yu cudve worked that out for yoself.LOLA
jferristube 1 month ago
@TheSnoopy1750
And that man originated in Africa is just a theory pal.LOL
jferristube 1 month ago
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robertgift 2 months ago
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robertgift 2 months ago
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Could you please produce a non-LD$ produced research study which supports the Book of Mormon? Hint: There ain't none.
Bad seer stones, bad seer stones.
robertgift 2 months ago
The Maxwell Institute istaffed by BYU professors and others whose incomes depend on active LD$ membership. Their "scholarly research" on DNA is one-sided, illogical, and not even peer-reviewed. There is NO DNA scholar (outside of the LD$ "scientists") who accepts the BOM as fact. Recently, bothe Smithsonian Institution and National Geographic have specifically EXCLUDED the BOM as an accurate historical or archeological documenthat could be used in their research.
robertgift 2 months ago
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robertgift 2 months ago
I'm happy to be one of those Naive simpletons.
WillLawFirm 2 months ago
@WillLawFirm "I'm happy to be one of those Naive simpletons."
Proof that ignorance can be bliss!
God loves Hokus-Pokus; Seer stones and magic hat.
But DNA testing proves that American Indians are NOT descendents of a tribe of Israel. Joe Smif'seer stones failed to inform him that DNA testing wouldisprove his claims in the latter days. Bad seer stones, bad seer stones.
Regarding Lime Jello: "It's delicious to the taste, and very desirable." -(Oh, I'm noto mention that phrase. It'sacred.)
robertgift 2 months ago
@robertgift Ignorance is bliss. If you would have read the Book of Mormon instead of quoting anti-Mormon literature, then you would have known that the Nephites (the descendant's of Israel ) were destroyed. Second, you would know that there were multiple migrations of people and their ancestry is unknown. However, DNA evidence does create a problem for the Book of Mormon because the BOM does make reference to the Adam and Eve story which DNA evidence contradicts.
WillLawFirm 2 months ago
@WillLawFirm The Nephites and the Lamanites of the Book of MORmON had several periods when they were ONE people, mixed their families & thus their blood. No way to know which group ended up which. Those coming from Israel were still among the last of those killed off, and ALSO among those who survived.
Yes DNA evidence does NIX the Book of MORmON because the BOM does make reference to the Adam and Eve myth, which DNA evidence contradicts.
robertgift 2 months ago
@robertgift It is disingenuous to state that DNA evidence disproves the Book of Mormon. MtDNA research is far more complex than what you are stating. Plus you have a limited understanding of the Book of Mormon (based on your posts). For scholarly research on the subject please go to the maxwell institute.
WillLawFirm 2 months ago
@WillLawFirm "scholarly" reseach is not eveneeded. I have a very limited understanding of the BOM. Will not waste my time reading it. The hokus-pokus alone isufficient evidunce. The racism, homophobia, sexism, and worthless rituals is morevidunce.
robertgift 2 months ago
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In this dispensation, the Lds Prophet (President, who claimed he wont lead members astray) is spending three BILLION dollars of Gods money on a shopping mall instead of helping the hungry poverty stricken families that have been thrown to the wolves by this wicked society. Jesus said " Give all that you have or ye are not my disciple" Mr Monson has chosen business(world) not Jesus!
TheSoulamore 2 months ago
i guess that makes me a simpleton. you got nothing better to do than to put people down. prove to me this is what joseph smith used to translate. it is written he lost this manuscript it was probably burned up with all his stuff when he was being attacked by people like you. lets see he was tarred and feathered, beat up then murdered with no gun or protection dragged to a tree and used as target practice. get a life and leave mormans alone
dannywaynepierce 2 months ago
Love that music you used!
TheSoulamore 2 months ago
So the document was lost... and someone somewhere believes a random egyptian writing was the one he translated? Please...
If you would stop all this high and mighty talk trying to show how smart you are and how dumb others beliefs are, you would see that Mormonism makes sense. We as a human race are learning and progressing towards bettering ourselves and overcoming obstacles, not just to be forgiven of our sins but to make an effort to correct our path. Our Heavenly Father wants us to grow
SPL33NM3RCH4NT 2 months ago
Today I'm resigning from the Mormon church! These are petty, yet fascinating details that so blatantly debunk that Joseph Smith really had any translating abilities (he wasn't even literate and had other people copy it down from him orally!) because I'm an atheist. It's this same kind of critical analysis which shows religion has no credit to reality, that these ideas can only be taken on faith, and the notion that a lot of these questions we have can only be answered as: we don't really know.
GiveCourage 3 months ago
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Read:
2 Nephi 29, 33 and Moroni 10:3-5
No complaints or excuses. If you have time to bash and disprove then you have time to read. It's just as easy looking at the serpent to be healed but people are just so frickin' prideful.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Lords Kingdom on earth.
"If you speak against it, it matters not, for the word of God must be fulfilled." Alma 5:58
ALBY0426 3 months ago
One... it is not the book of breathings.
Two. You quoted that only "one" had the writings of Abraham. So keep looking for that one.
Sk8er408 3 months ago
"Some have been taught to be suspicious of the Church, to operate under negative stereotypes about the Chruch without questiong their source and validity. There is also a great deal of misinformation and confusion about the Church and what it stands for. " L. Tom Perry. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that the true teachings understood correctly are the truth. If you have questions, use a valid source! try lds.org.
sdsimmons11 3 months ago
@sdsimmons11 You use the word "know" inaccurately. If you cannot prove it, you cannot know it. You believe it. Mormonism makes a reasonably good culture, but it's based off of a liars stories. Also see Kinderhook plates. Your churches dirty laundry is too fresh to not be found. It's conjecture is provably false. Native Americans are descended from Asia not the middle east.
learsiad 3 months ago
@learsiad Jesus Christ himself taught against what you just said. In Mathew 16:15-17. Peter answers Christ question about who he is and Christ say, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Also in the scriptures it say by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW the truth of all things. Do you think that at the time of Christ men could prove that Christ was the son God? Most thought crazy. People started rumors...
sdsimmons11 3 months ago
@learsiad that He was of the devil himself. And no one could prove that Christ was the literally son of God as he said he was. So how did people know...such as Peter, that Christ was the son of God? By the Father through the spirit. The kinderhook plates: False. The dirty laundry: put there by the same kind of people who did that to Christ. Asia decendents? Who knows...maybe some, but some were from the middle east. How do I know? I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Bible and have spent...
sdsimmons11 3 months ago
@learsiad time on my knees with the only true source of truth...my father in heaven and you cannot tell me that I do not know...I do know. I have never seen God and an angel did not come to me and say the Book of Mormon is true, but I have felt His spirit testify to me. I am confident that any person who sat down and read the Book of Mormon sincerely wanting to know if it is of God and ask Him...He would reveal to you of its truth. Don't trust men, trust God as Peter did and as Christ said to.
sdsimmons11 3 months ago
@sdsimmons11 what you are talking about is clinical delusion. you do not know it. you devoutly believe it. that is fact. if you state otherwise you are lying to yourself and to those within earshot of you. using scripture to support delusion is hardly support, only rationalization. it's a hard pill to swallow but it is true. devoutly believe whatever you like but do not lie to yourself and call it knowledge. you diminish your own reasoning in doing so.
learsiad 3 months ago
@learsiad Like I said that is not what Jesus Christ taught and i will trust in Him. According to what you are saying, religion doesn't have answers, it has guesses. That's sad. God didn't put us here on earth to just guess and believe devoutly, but never really know the truth. He didn't leave us here just to argue back and forth never finding an answer. He tells us to "ask and He will give." James 1:5. Scripture is truth cause it came from Him. YOUR theory is nowhere in His books.
sdsimmons11 3 months ago
@sdsimmons11 You say it has guesses. That's inaccurate, it has educated & objective analysis of information & deducted conclusions. Your religion doesn't even have guesses. It has debunked myths & fables. There is no accepted science to support religion. If you accept your faith over facts how is that different from a clinically insane person? There is also no credible evidence to show prayer has ever worked. if one talks in ones head and expects it heard elsewhere is that not insane as well?
learsiad 3 months ago
@sdsimmons11 These anti mormons are really pathetic.
LDS4Life71 2 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Not pathetic, just unwilling to go to God with questions. We live in a world that thinks faith and prayer are insane...not real. It just makes me thankful that God has answered my prayers and that He does love me. Jesus Christ and His gospel are my rock and there are a lot of theories out there that in the end will only be quick sand. Anyone who asks and seeks God finds truth...always. I wish all people really did believe in God enough to go to him. This world would be better.
sdsimmons11 1 month ago
@LDS4Life71
Galatians 1:8-9
mormonism is accursed.
gfscarface13 1 month ago
@gfscarface13 Galatians is talking about a problem the people of Galatia were facing. If you understood the history of Christianity you would understand, that the other gospel Paul was referring to was the law of circumcision, and that is all. You are accursed.
LDS4Life71 1 month ago
Galatians 1:8-9
islam & mormonism are Accursed.
gfscarface13 1 month ago
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@learsiad You use the word "know" inaccurately. If you cannot prove it, you cannot know it.
You are obviously Not a Bible believer
jferristube 2 months ago
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...if Josepf Smith's translation of the egytptian parchment could be discredited, and proven false, then doubt would be thrown also upon the genuineness or his translation of book of the mormon, and thus all his pretension as a translator would be exposed and come naught. .....B.H. Roberts - Comprehensive History of the Church (2:138)
Please, tell me if there is any member, that have read this before.
I think that Mr Roberts was quite sure!!!
silvio1963able 3 months ago
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...if Josepf Smith's translation of the egytptian parchment could be discredited, and proven false, then doubt would be thrown also upon the genuineness or his translation of book of the mormon, and thus all his pretension as a translator would be exposed and come naught. .....B.H. Roberts - Comprehensive History of the Church (2:138)
Please, tell me if there is any member, that have read this before.
I think that Mr Roberts was quite sure!!!
silvio1963able 3 months ago
read Adventures of Huckleberry Finn aka No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith
54v115 4 months ago
OF OTHER RELIGIONS. EVEN THOUGH THEY BELIEVE THEIR CHURCH IS TRUE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD A MORMAN PUT DOWN SOMEONE ELSES RELIIGION WHEN SHARING THEIR TEACHINGS OF LDS.
DORI1972
clackmanack215 4 months ago
@clackmanack215 .. my my... never heard that the LDS is the only true church? You don't recognise that as the LDS Organisation PUTTING SOMEONE ELSES religion DOWN? ... my my ... read Adventures of Huckleberry Finn aka No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith
54v115 4 months ago
@54v115 my my...your dumb....my my
BluTool 2 months ago
@BluTool ... your dumb?... YOUR dumb? .... well there you go... lol. I'll spell it out for you.. you want to say "You're dumb".. but can't quite get your head around it can you? Perhaps you should learn to read before you try printing... or get your smartest buddy to write messages for you.
54v115 2 months ago
@54v115 if your best comeback only contains and argument about a one letter difference in spelling a word that typically most people misspell, usually on purpose as it's mostly unnecessary to spell out on comments/txts/emails/ etc., then you sir need to find a life, quickly. i bet if i had said "ur" then you wouldn't have said anything, because it's called shorthand, or short-type, whichever is sounds more appealing to YOU.
BluTool 2 months ago
@BluTool - oh it's not a "comeback".. you wanted to make a statement and you failed.
54v115 2 months ago