Oh for everyone of all religions and no religion including infidels (atheists) to have the protection of religious freedom. The Act for Religious freedom is a founding document not just someones opinion. Madison helped to get it passed and used it (among other documents) when he also helped to write the First Amendment.
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion
2 - is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
@jfsfrnd because they did not want a Governmental religion. They wanted All men to be free to worship as they see fit, or not to worship. I have no problem with that. But they still were mostly christians. I agree that Jefferson, Franklin, Paine and a few others my not have been "actual christians". by this I mean they may never have asked him to save them from their sins. But they still believed. Jefferson questioned a lot, of things about christianity. He may not have believed all.
From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817
And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.
Their hostility is on too interesting ground to be softened. The delusion into which the X. Y. Z. plot showed it possible to push the people; the successful experiment made under the prevalence of that delusion on the clause of the constitution, which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity
Two-through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, and they believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn, upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
@anthonyehooker But if the moral precepts, innate in man, and made a part of his physical constitution, as necessary for a social being, if the sublime doctrines of philanthropism and deism taught us by Jesus of Nazareth, in which all agree, constitute true religion, then, without it, this would be, as you again say, " something not fit to be named even, indeed, a hell."
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams - Monticello, May 5, 1817
On March 28, 1787, Benjeman Rush wrote an open letter “To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools”. "Let the children...be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education. The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effectual means of extirpating Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools."
1-Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval - Monticello, February 19, 1810
Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet enclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and
2-aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity,
In his will, George Mason wrote: "My soul I resign into the hands of my Almighty Creator, whose tender mercies are all over His works, who hateth nothing that He hath made, and to the justice and wisdom of whose dispensations I willingly and cheerfully submit, humbly hoping from His unbounded mercy and benevolence, through the merits of my blessed Savior, a remission of my sins".
In December, 1776, Jay addressed New York’s constitutional convention immediately following the American defeat at Long Island, Manhattan, and White Plains. He told the audience of Americans disillusioned by their losses and questioning the moral righteousness of their cause, “The Gospel is yet to be preached to those western Regions, & we have the highest Reason to believe that the Almighty will not suffer Slavery & the Gospel to go Hand in Hand. It cannot, it will not be.”
And on his 89th birthday, he wrote: “On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.”
In September of 1773, in a letter to William Bradford, he wrote: “I have sometimes thought there could be no stronger testimony in favor of Religion ... publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent Advocates in the cause of Christ, & I wish you may give in your Evidence in this way. Such instances have seldom occurred, therefore they would be more striking and would be instead of a "Cloud of Witnesses."
On November 20, 1798, in his Last Will and Testament, Patrick Henry wrote: “This is all the inheritance I give to my dear family. The religion of Christ will give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
IPatrick henry to his daughter August 20, 1796, he wrote:
“Amongst other strange things said of me, I hear it is said by the deists that I am one of the number; and indeed, that some good people think I am no Christian. This thought gives me much more pain than the appellation of Tory; because I think religion of infinitely higher importance than politics; and I find much cause to reproach myself that I have lived so long, and have given no decided and public proofs of my being a Christian.
In his first general order to his own troops, General Washington said he called on: ‘Every officer and man...to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.’
On April 15, 1775, four days before the “Shot Heard ‘Round the World,” John Hancock said “In circumstances dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that, whilst every prudent Measure should be taken to ward off the impending Judgements..
Alexander Hamilton was fatally shot in a duel with Burr in July of 1804. His last words were: I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.
In his February, 1795 Proclamation for a Day of Public Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, then Governor Sam Adams said: “That with true repentance and contrition of Heart, we may unitedly implore the forgiveness of our Sins, through the merits of Jesus Christ, and humbly supplicate our Heavenly Father, to grant us the aids of his Grace, for the amendment of our Hearts and Lives, and vouchsafe his smiles upon our temporal concerns.”
He was also a steadfast Christian. In “The Rights of the Colonists,” which Sam Adams wrote in 1772, he said: “The right to freedom being the gift of the Almighty...The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutions of The Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.”
In a letter to Thomas Jefferson dated June 28, 1813, John Adams said "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity"
On April 18, 1775, a British soldier ordered him, John Hancock, and others to “disperse in the name of George the Sovereign King of England. John Adams responded to him: “We recognize no sovereign but God, and no king but Jesus!”
In a letter to William Short on October 31, 1819, Jefferson wrote: “But the greatest of all the reformers of the depraved religion of His own country, was Jesus of Nazareth.”
On April 21, 1803, Jefferson wrote this to Dr. Benjamin Rush “My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others.”
I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish. John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogl, Vol. V, pp. 276, 278, The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ, January 2, 1758.
Signer of the Declaration of Independence I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.
Governor of Connecticut, Patriot Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ.
Cont....that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state;
Signer of the Declaration of Independence I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, ..., the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior , the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, (cont)
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Constitution I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God.that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners
Signer of the Declaration of Independence My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!
Signer of the Declaration of Independence I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.
Signer of the Constitution In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . .
Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .
Signer of the Constitution In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .
First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country;
Governor of Virginia, Patriot This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.
Signer of the Constitution Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.
Signer of the Declaration of Independence On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.
From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.
Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.
Jefferson was not a deist he said "Our just attentions are first drawn to those pleasing circumstances which mark the goodness of that Being from whose favor they flow and the large measure of thankfulness we owe for His bounty " also ""I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator."
@anthonyehooker Jefferson didn't believe in anything that Christians believe in. He only followed the philosophy of Jesus. You are misquoting him. If he was a Christian like you are attempting to state why did he say this:
Thomas Jefferson To Ezra Styles, June 25, 1819
''You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.''
It can't be said that Ben Franklin was a deist he said ""I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" " Completely contrary to what deist believe.
The thing about America, it was founded on Biblical principles. BUT, We knew not everyone would want to be Christian. The have that choice, it can't be forced on them. But I preach the Gospel to all I can get to listen to me. AND, I fought as a U.S. Marine to protect every persons right to believe as they see fit. Look at how much Baptist had to do with our founding. Example, "Portsmouth Compact"
@jfsfrnd Samuel Chase was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, a Justice of the US Supreme Court, and, as Chief Justice of the State of Maryland, wrote in 1799 ( Runkel v Winemiller): "By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion... ."
@jfsfrnd John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court said: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their ruler, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
@jfsfrnd Justice Joseph Story, who was appointed to the US Supreme Court by President Madison, said in an 1829 speech at Harvard: "There never has been a period of history, in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundation."
@jfsfrnd In 1854, The United States House of Congress passed a resolution: "The great vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ."
The US Supreme Court forbade polygamy in 1890 (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints v United States): "It is contrary to the spirit of Christianity and the civilization which Christianity has produced in the Western world."
@jfsfrnd John Adams said 'The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
@jfsfrnd John Quincy Adams "In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity."
@jfsfrnd Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants- United States Supreme Court 1854
@jfsfrnd John Jay " Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
And I could go on for around 1500 more quotes that are historically documented. Just look them up. On Dec 4, 1800 Congress chose to hold church services in the capitol. Jefferson used the USMC Band for the worship services. Look at Congressional records.
@anthonyehooker I'm not going to find quotes you didn't accurately cite. ''Just look them up'''isn't an adequate answer. There are misquotes and quotes taken out of context all over the internet. So what?
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?
The miracle of the United States of America, the best nation on the planet to ever exist, and the myriad of documents to indicate our christian heritage should be enough to convince you that christian people established it...You may believe it once the sinking darkness of the utopian ideology of socialistic economics which only seeks to further empower an all powerful centralized Government will convince you that the religion of humanism [man being the measure of all things]
blanketing every decision which has lead us to less rights by stealing more of our labor liberty, our property, and has stolen the smallest of lives through abortion consequently causing less growth in the population and the growth required to sustain itself will reveal the light of the truth.
#1. You have 7 founders in this video. Where are the other 243? You judge the entire group based on the opinions of a few
#2. Many of the founders you listed here like Samuel Adams were devout Christians. "I . . . [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins." - Sam Adams
#3. The quotes of a few founders doesn't prove anything about the foundation of American government. You have to go deeper than that.
@jazber14 Not really, for one some of them openly state that they are not Christian & never give a contradictory statement, note praising a religion doesn't mean one is a member of it. Also you can look at the context of the quotes, specifically who they were addressed to, a public statement for instant can be discarded as they were politicians & thus liars.
@jazber14 None of them were about pushing their beliefs on others. However, they were all Christian just different forms of Christian ranging from Unitarian, to Presbyterian, to Episcopal, to Catholic and more besides. However, in order for no one form of religion to dominate and interfere with the nation as a whole they put it in the 1st Amendment. Which does not state a wall of separation but that there would be no interference in the practice thereof. They mocked religion for what they, cont.
saw had happened when the state or religion mingled in Europe. The Crusades and the discrimination in England are examples of what happens when the state or religious authorities try to control one another. They saw the dangers both in government and in religion better than most and so tried to insure that neither one had superiority over the other. Sorry for the tardiness of this one it didn't post when I tried originally.
@jazber14 Did I ever say that any FF was a fundamentalist? I said that all signers were Christian but I never went so far as to claim them to be fanatics about religion. However, at the same time religion played a much bigger role in their lives than it does in the US today. My only concern is with historical revisionism to the extent that people claim these men were not Christians.
@jazber14 True, but one must also take into consideration his ability to move at the time. The methods of transportation at that time as well as his responsibilities, both on Mount Vernon and later on attest to a possibility that not going to church was not so much a decision of simply not going but the feasibility of going against completing his responsibilities. This is especially seen since two of the churches he attended in VA were several hours away through the transport of the time.
@jazber14 It wasn't until the latter part of the 19th century that the Anglican Church revised itself to where the Eucharist is given every Sunday. During Washington's life it was not given every Sunday. He did attend church in Philly at least as it has been recorded that in the time he was there he went to at least 3 services during the first Continental Congress.
@jazber14 And? He was an Episcopalian, which does not have Communion every Sunday. At the time it was not uncommon for non-communicants to leave at that time. He stopped attending Communion Sundays, not every service.
@MindofaJedi Do you want more pro-religion quotes? Or a simple statement that at the time of the founding of the country the only real religion practiced by the citizenry was Christianity?
@MindofaJedi I said only three were signatories to any major founding document, you'll find that Paine did not sign any major document. And that Washington did in fact attend church with his wife quite regularly. Deism in the time of the founders did not refute Christianity. In fact. even those that claimed Deism also claimed to be Episcopalian. Ethan Allen was not a signer to any major document. Benjamin Franklin was an Episcopalian and a Deist. In his Virtues he states, "imitate Jesus"
@korrde 2.I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether I am one or not--Ethan Allen .
@MindofaJedi "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped."-Franklin
@MindofaJedi "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."-John Adams
This video, like all the videos like this, is very misleading. U use quotes from some of the least religious founders and use them as if they represent the founders as a whole. Franklin, Paine, and Jefferson are among these. Paine was shunned for his beliefs. He was criticized extensively by his fellow founders for criticizing Christianity. Franklin and Jefferson both believed in the Bible, but did not hold orthodox Christian beliefs. And btw, the Treaty of Tripoli was not a work of Washington.
@bRizzle2009100 Washington signed the Treaty of Tripoli , Joel Barlow authored it . Diests , which is what the majority of our founding father were , do not believe in Jesus living inside a man guiding him with telepathic wisdom . That is nonsense made up by "Christians " . Deists basically believe that a God started things into motion and that natural laws follow this design . The founding fathers were closer in belief to "ancient alien " theorists , than to modern day Christians .
@MindofaJedi First of all, stop getting your facts from secular websites bc it shows. The Treaty of Tripoli was not signed by George Washington, but by John Adams. If u cant get that one simple fact right, then dont go around lecturing others on history.
@bRizzle2009100 Ok , so I see Im dealing with a moron here . Take 2 seconds to do some research . George Washingto signed the Treaty on March 30 , 1975 . It was later signed by Adams after being ratified by the senate . You could find this in your sixth grade history book , unless of course you were homeschooled , explaining then why you don't know how to read .
@MindofaJedi "George Washingto signed the Treaty on March 30 , 1975" Hey guess what? Washington died in 1799. If Washington had signed the Treaty before Adams, then there was no point for Adams to sign it anyway. Its very simple. Go Google a pic of "Treaty of Tripoli" and look at the bottom they'll have John Adams' signature. Nowhere on the document is Washington's signature found.
" Ok , so I see Im dealing with a moron here . Take 2 seconds to do some research . "
@MindofaJedi Dumb ass! It was signed and approved by John Adams in 1796! Take two seconds and get you head out of your ass. You made good points in your video. But the fact is. Thomas Jefferson, and many of the founding fathers, were Deists. They believed in God, many read the bible and went to church. There were also many Christian men in congress as well. But they advocated that America should have NO formal religion.
@AmericanCryer Wow , learn to read I just posted it was signed by Washington , because it was , and it was later signed by Adams, these things don't get done in a day. I never said all the Founding Fathers were atheists, however Deists are 1 step removed from atheists as they believe God has no hand in affecting our affairs and everything unfolds according to natural law, which was as close to physics as anyone got back then .
@anthonyhooker1775 Oops, my bad. But still this country should not base itself on a single religion. I can understand basing off of morals and teachings of a religion. The 1st Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the prohibition of the practice thereof:" So by law itself, no one can lawfully claim this nation to be a Christian nation, or a Jewish, or Islamic, etc. We are not a Theocracy, but a Republic.
@AmericanCryer I agree that there is no Government established religion and should not be. All have the choice, and freedom to do as they wish. Believe or not believe. I would never force anyone to become a christian. that is a personal choice for each. All I am saying is we were founded on Biblical, Christian principles. Our constitution prohibits Congress from making laws to establish or prevent our exercise of religion. You are correct.
@anthonyehooker Have you read the documents that the quotes you cited came from or did you just ciphon those quotes off the internet? My guess is the latter.
@jfsfrnd I have read many of them. There is a book you might be interested in its called Lives of the Signers of the Declaration Originally published in 1848, Very interesting. I also have a copy of one of George Washingtons Journals. I also have the first History book printed in America, written in 1887. I have many, many hours of research and work on this matter. There is a lot of information at the national archives in Washington D.C.
@anthonyehooker Thanks for the references. You do know, however, that peoples personal opinions have nothing to do with our laws? Many of the documents you cited were just that. Just because someone mentioned, God, Almighty God, our savior, Natures God, general principles of Christianity, etc. it doesn't automatically refer to a profession of mainstream Christianity. Christians have always pushed as they do today to make their religion the main religion of the United States. It is not.
@jfsfrnd Looks like there are many books on Google Books with that tite. Just curious, do you know what moral matter Lyman Hall was fired from his church for committing?
@jfsfrnd I'm not saying it is America's religion. We do not have a national religion. All I'm saying is our founding fathers founded our nation on Christian principles. They most quoted Blackstone, Monesque, and the Bible. Blackstone and Monesque quoted the bible over 1500 times in their writings. Over 15,000 quotes from our founders can be traced back to the bible directly and indirectly through these two writers.
@anthonyehooker I am not disputing that some of the founders quoted from the Bible, but they also quoted from non Christian sources as well. And many used Deist terms like Natures God, the God of Nature, Almighty God, the Creator, law of Nature and Natural Law which are misinterpreted as being Christian or Biblical. Was Blackstone a Christian? Was Montesquieu a Christian? Thomas Paine sure wasn't. Was John Locke? The founders also quoted from Greek and Roman texts.
@anthonyehooker I agree. And our principles, which are based off of Biblical principles, are also found in other major religions as well. Love one another, keep the golden rule, and promote peace, and liberty. Almost every single religion has these principles as their fundamentals. No matter what the media might say. It's all universal in many aspects.
@AmericanCryer Those would be the ''general principles of Christianity'' that John Adams spoke of and the Philosophy of Jesus that Jefferson spoke of. We all live by them today. Well except these guys:
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By the end of the interview they get really cold-blooded. At least they are honest about it though.
@AmericanCryer true they are found in other religions, but the founders specifically named Christianity, Which means Christ Like. Many times they even mention Jesus himself.
@anthonyehooker They do, but that was probably what they were used to. Ghandi would be a India version of Jesus, with respect to his teachings. So someone in India, who may not know who Jesus is, would base their beliefs off of Ghandi's teachings, or any other patriarch past and present. The messages were always the same. Love, and Peace. Blessed are the Peacemakers. Love each other as I loved you. Both sayings of Jesus, and I bet are found everywhere.
@AmericanCryer It is like each era, each culture and religion, has a messenger who teaches these things. They all seem to shake foundations, rattle cages, and break the binding chains of tyranny, both physically and spiritually. That's what is important. Not what religion is better, but what the overall message is. And I think the founders, especially those who were deist, understood that.
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?"
I'm a Berean Bible Christian and I agree with this video. The Founders were Rosicrucians and Freemasons. Jefferson was a Naturist (or is it Naturalist?). His idea of church was walking through a forest. They founded this country so they could practice their strange brand of Rosicrucianism without being hassled by King George III, who was persecuting them. They had to extend tolerance to other religions to be FAIR. They were not true Christians.
Thank you. I could do without the metal but every righty out there says our country was founded on christianity. Now I have a video to post every time they say that. Maybe the metal music will just piss them off more when I prove them wrong. LOL
I hate how all the fucking retarded christian people always use quotes from people that wrote speaches they had nothing to do with the constitution they where just speaches read for local people!
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Wow I hope you guyz don't really believe this. This video is soo biased. You just pick and choose quotes that seem the best for your case from two of the founding fathers that are the most liberal (which wasn't that liberal) Don't believe this lie!!! Read the entire documents made by ALL of the founding fathers and you will really see the truth. You know the founding fathers prayed for over 3 hours before each conventional meeting they had. You can't rely on this compilation of crap! God bless!
They absolutely did not pray for 3 hours ever before any meeting . Jefferson , Franklin , and Paine clearly stated on multiple occasions their disgust with Christianity . It is well known that in 1800 less than 10% of the USA population was a member of any church . Check out Liars For Jesus , a great book that shows how Christians have agressively spread lies and misinformation in an attempt at revisionist history to make America "more Christian " .
@MindofaJedi Better research your history. What Bible scripture did they read June 11, 1776 before discussing our Declaration. They quoted over 5000 statements from various other works? What was number one with over 50% of the quotes came from? The Bible! Next came Blackstone, the law book.
@tfiore22 Where did you get that wonderful bit of bullshit? These men who Hated organized religion all prayed together?....for 3 fucking hours? You crazy yo'
@tfiore22 Holy crap you really are full of it. They most certainly did not pray for 3 hours. Read Thomas Paine, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams they were in no way devout Christians. Paine despised the church and "The Age of Reason" still pisses the church off to this day. The religious right cannot bare the thought that the most important men of our country were not religions zealots like themselves. This is why they try to rewrite history, like they just did in Texas. You are truly deceived.
This is why the Republican Party has been sliding further and further down in the public discourse; they have truly forgotten what it means to be American. They blame the media, but the media can only report on what happens; if they wanted to look better on the news, they would actually do good things instead of doing evil and blaming it on Jesus.
Oh for everyone of all religions and no religion including infidels (atheists) to have the protection of religious freedom. The Act for Religious freedom is a founding document not just someones opinion. Madison helped to get it passed and used it (among other documents) when he also helped to write the First Amendment.
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
1 - Autobiography - by Thomas Jefferson
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
2 - is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
Why did an assembly of mostly Christians remove the name of Jesus Christ from the Act for Religous Freedom was passed in Virginia?
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
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@jfsfrnd because they did not want a Governmental religion. They wanted All men to be free to worship as they see fit, or not to worship. I have no problem with that. But they still were mostly christians. I agree that Jefferson, Franklin, Paine and a few others my not have been "actual christians". by this I mean they may never have asked him to save them from their sins. But they still believed. Jefferson questioned a lot, of things about christianity. He may not have believed all.
anthonyehooker 3 days ago
From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817
And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
One-T JEFFERSON TO DOCTOR RUSH, Sept 23, 1800
Their hostility is on too interesting ground to be softened. The delusion into which the X. Y. Z. plot showed it possible to push the people; the successful experiment made under the prevalence of that delusion on the clause of the constitution, which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
Two-through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, and they believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn, upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
@anthonyehooker But if the moral precepts, innate in man, and made a part of his physical constitution, as necessary for a social being, if the sublime doctrines of philanthropism and deism taught us by Jesus of Nazareth, in which all agree, constitute true religion, then, without it, this would be, as you again say, " something not fit to be named even, indeed, a hell."
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams - Monticello, May 5, 1817
The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Vol 15
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
On March 28, 1787, Benjeman Rush wrote an open letter “To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools”. "Let the children...be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education. The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effectual means of extirpating Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools."
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
@anthonyehooker Did you read that?
''sublime doctrines of philanthropism and deism taught us by Jesus of Nazareth''
philanthopism and deism
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
1-Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval - Monticello, February 19, 1810
Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet enclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
2-aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity,
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
3-while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
In his will, George Mason wrote: "My soul I resign into the hands of my Almighty Creator, whose tender mercies are all over His works, who hateth nothing that He hath made, and to the justice and wisdom of whose dispensations I willingly and cheerfully submit, humbly hoping from His unbounded mercy and benevolence, through the merits of my blessed Savior, a remission of my sins".
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
In December, 1776, Jay addressed New York’s constitutional convention immediately following the American defeat at Long Island, Manhattan, and White Plains. He told the audience of Americans disillusioned by their losses and questioning the moral righteousness of their cause, “The Gospel is yet to be preached to those western Regions, & we have the highest Reason to believe that the Almighty will not suffer Slavery & the Gospel to go Hand in Hand. It cannot, it will not be.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
And on his 89th birthday, he wrote: “On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
In September of 1773, in a letter to William Bradford, he wrote: “I have sometimes thought there could be no stronger testimony in favor of Religion ... publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent Advocates in the cause of Christ, & I wish you may give in your Evidence in this way. Such instances have seldom occurred, therefore they would be more striking and would be instead of a "Cloud of Witnesses."
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
On November 20, 1798, in his Last Will and Testament, Patrick Henry wrote: “This is all the inheritance I give to my dear family. The religion of Christ will give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
IPatrick henry to his daughter August 20, 1796, he wrote:
“Amongst other strange things said of me, I hear it is said by the deists that I am one of the number; and indeed, that some good people think I am no Christian. This thought gives me much more pain than the appellation of Tory; because I think religion of infinitely higher importance than politics; and I find much cause to reproach myself that I have lived so long, and have given no decided and public proofs of my being a Christian.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
In his first general order to his own troops, General Washington said he called on: ‘Every officer and man...to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.’
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
On April 15, 1775, four days before the “Shot Heard ‘Round the World,” John Hancock said “In circumstances dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that, whilst every prudent Measure should be taken to ward off the impending Judgements..
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Alexander Hamilton was fatally shot in a duel with Burr in July of 1804. His last words were: I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
In his February, 1795 Proclamation for a Day of Public Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, then Governor Sam Adams said: “That with true repentance and contrition of Heart, we may unitedly implore the forgiveness of our Sins, through the merits of Jesus Christ, and humbly supplicate our Heavenly Father, to grant us the aids of his Grace, for the amendment of our Hearts and Lives, and vouchsafe his smiles upon our temporal concerns.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
He was also a steadfast Christian. In “The Rights of the Colonists,” which Sam Adams wrote in 1772, he said: “The right to freedom being the gift of the Almighty...The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutions of The Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
In a letter to Thomas Jefferson dated June 28, 1813, John Adams said "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity"
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
On April 18, 1775, a British soldier ordered him, John Hancock, and others to “disperse in the name of George the Sovereign King of England. John Adams responded to him: “We recognize no sovereign but God, and no king but Jesus!”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
In a letter to William Short on October 31, 1819, Jefferson wrote: “But the greatest of all the reformers of the depraved religion of His own country, was Jesus of Nazareth.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
On April 21, 1803, Jefferson wrote this to Dr. Benjamin Rush “My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others.”
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
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John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish. John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogl, Vol. V, pp. 276, 278, The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ, January 2, 1758.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Jonathan Trumbull Sr.
Governor of Connecticut, Patriot Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Cont....that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state;
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Richard Stockton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, ..., the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior , the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, (cont)
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Roger Sherman
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Constitution I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God.that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Robert Treat Paine
Signer of the Declaration of Independence I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
John Langdon
Signer of the Constitution In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . .
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Henry Knox
Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .
Will of Henry Knox
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
Signer of the Constitution In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .
Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
will of John Jay
First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country;
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Patrick Henry
Governor of Virginia, Patriot This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.
Will of Patrick Henry
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
John Dickinson
Signer of the Constitution Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.
Will of John Dickinson
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Charles Carroll
Signer of the Declaration of Independence On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.
From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Samuel Adams
Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
Jefferson was not a deist he said "Our just attentions are first drawn to those pleasing circumstances which mark the goodness of that Being from whose favor they flow and the large measure of thankfulness we owe for His bounty " also ""I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator."
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
@anthonyehooker Jefferson didn't believe in anything that Christians believe in. He only followed the philosophy of Jesus. You are misquoting him. If he was a Christian like you are attempting to state why did he say this:
Thomas Jefferson To Ezra Styles, June 25, 1819
''You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.''
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
It can't be said that Ben Franklin was a deist he said ""I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" " Completely contrary to what deist believe.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
@anthonyehooker Really. There isn't and wasn't one type of Deism. So where are the Franklin quotes about Jesus?
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
The thing about America, it was founded on Biblical principles. BUT, We knew not everyone would want to be Christian. The have that choice, it can't be forced on them. But I preach the Gospel to all I can get to listen to me. AND, I fought as a U.S. Marine to protect every persons right to believe as they see fit. Look at how much Baptist had to do with our founding. Example, "Portsmouth Compact"
anthonyhooker1775 2 months ago
@anthonyhooker1775 '' it was founded on Biblical principles''
Where is your proof?
jfsfrnd 6 days ago
@jfsfrnd Samuel Chase was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, a Justice of the US Supreme Court, and, as Chief Justice of the State of Maryland, wrote in 1799 ( Runkel v Winemiller): "By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion... ."
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court said: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their ruler, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd Justice Joseph Story, who was appointed to the US Supreme Court by President Madison, said in an 1829 speech at Harvard: "There never has been a period of history, in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundation."
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd In 1854, The United States House of Congress passed a resolution: "The great vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ."
The US Supreme Court forbade polygamy in 1890 (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints v United States): "It is contrary to the spirit of Christianity and the civilization which Christianity has produced in the Western world."
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd John Adams said 'The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd John Quincy Adams "In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity."
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity... That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants- United States Supreme Court 1854
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd John Jay " Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
And I could go on for around 1500 more quotes that are historically documented. Just look them up. On Dec 4, 1800 Congress chose to hold church services in the capitol. Jefferson used the USMC Band for the worship services. Look at Congressional records.
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@anthonyehooker I'm not going to find quotes you didn't accurately cite. ''Just look them up'''isn't an adequate answer. There are misquotes and quotes taken out of context all over the internet. So what?
jfsfrnd 5 days ago
Congressional Congress, 1787 Ben Franklin,
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?
guitarbliss 2 months ago
The miracle of the United States of America, the best nation on the planet to ever exist, and the myriad of documents to indicate our christian heritage should be enough to convince you that christian people established it...You may believe it once the sinking darkness of the utopian ideology of socialistic economics which only seeks to further empower an all powerful centralized Government will convince you that the religion of humanism [man being the measure of all things]
guitarbliss 2 months ago
blanketing every decision which has lead us to less rights by stealing more of our labor liberty, our property, and has stolen the smallest of lives through abortion consequently causing less growth in the population and the growth required to sustain itself will reveal the light of the truth.
guitarbliss 2 months ago
#1. You have 7 founders in this video. Where are the other 243? You judge the entire group based on the opinions of a few
#2. Many of the founders you listed here like Samuel Adams were devout Christians. "I . . . [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins." - Sam Adams
#3. The quotes of a few founders doesn't prove anything about the foundation of American government. You have to go deeper than that.
bRizzle2009100 3 months ago
@bRizzle2009100 AMEN. TELL IT.
anthonyhooker1775 2 months ago
@jazber14 Not really, for one some of them openly state that they are not Christian & never give a contradictory statement, note praising a religion doesn't mean one is a member of it. Also you can look at the context of the quotes, specifically who they were addressed to, a public statement for instant can be discarded as they were politicians & thus liars.
Fuctmentality 6 months ago
@jazber14 None of them were about pushing their beliefs on others. However, they were all Christian just different forms of Christian ranging from Unitarian, to Presbyterian, to Episcopal, to Catholic and more besides. However, in order for no one form of religion to dominate and interfere with the nation as a whole they put it in the 1st Amendment. Which does not state a wall of separation but that there would be no interference in the practice thereof. They mocked religion for what they, cont.
korrde 7 months ago
saw had happened when the state or religion mingled in Europe. The Crusades and the discrimination in England are examples of what happens when the state or religious authorities try to control one another. They saw the dangers both in government and in religion better than most and so tried to insure that neither one had superiority over the other. Sorry for the tardiness of this one it didn't post when I tried originally.
korrde 7 months ago
@jazber14 Did I ever say that any FF was a fundamentalist? I said that all signers were Christian but I never went so far as to claim them to be fanatics about religion. However, at the same time religion played a much bigger role in their lives than it does in the US today. My only concern is with historical revisionism to the extent that people claim these men were not Christians.
korrde 7 months ago
@jazber14 True, but one must also take into consideration his ability to move at the time. The methods of transportation at that time as well as his responsibilities, both on Mount Vernon and later on attest to a possibility that not going to church was not so much a decision of simply not going but the feasibility of going against completing his responsibilities. This is especially seen since two of the churches he attended in VA were several hours away through the transport of the time.
korrde 7 months ago
@jazber14 It wasn't until the latter part of the 19th century that the Anglican Church revised itself to where the Eucharist is given every Sunday. During Washington's life it was not given every Sunday. He did attend church in Philly at least as it has been recorded that in the time he was there he went to at least 3 services during the first Continental Congress.
korrde 7 months ago
@jazber14 And? He was an Episcopalian, which does not have Communion every Sunday. At the time it was not uncommon for non-communicants to leave at that time. He stopped attending Communion Sundays, not every service.
korrde 7 months ago
It's good but sheesh pick some other kind of music ahhhhhhhhh
1998soul 8 months ago
@MindofaJedi Do you want more pro-religion quotes? Or a simple statement that at the time of the founding of the country the only real religion practiced by the citizenry was Christianity?
korrde 10 months ago
@MindofaJedi I said only three were signatories to any major founding document, you'll find that Paine did not sign any major document. And that Washington did in fact attend church with his wife quite regularly. Deism in the time of the founders did not refute Christianity. In fact. even those that claimed Deism also claimed to be Episcopalian. Ethan Allen was not a signer to any major document. Benjamin Franklin was an Episcopalian and a Deist. In his Virtues he states, "imitate Jesus"
korrde 10 months ago
@korrde 2.I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether I am one or not--Ethan Allen .
MindofaJedi 10 months ago
@MindofaJedi "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped."-Franklin
korrde 10 months ago
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@MindofaJedi "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."-John Adams
korrde 10 months ago
Godly Nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Founded upon Bible principles!!!!!!!!!!!
watch?v=o9PEqmpGK9k&feature=channel_video_title
patriotadEEUU 10 months ago
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states
"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion.
alhole420 11 months ago
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth."
alhole420 11 months ago
This video, like all the videos like this, is very misleading. U use quotes from some of the least religious founders and use them as if they represent the founders as a whole. Franklin, Paine, and Jefferson are among these. Paine was shunned for his beliefs. He was criticized extensively by his fellow founders for criticizing Christianity. Franklin and Jefferson both believed in the Bible, but did not hold orthodox Christian beliefs. And btw, the Treaty of Tripoli was not a work of Washington.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago 2
@bRizzle2009100 Washington signed the Treaty of Tripoli , Joel Barlow authored it . Diests , which is what the majority of our founding father were , do not believe in Jesus living inside a man guiding him with telepathic wisdom . That is nonsense made up by "Christians " . Deists basically believe that a God started things into motion and that natural laws follow this design . The founding fathers were closer in belief to "ancient alien " theorists , than to modern day Christians .
MindofaJedi 1 year ago
@MindofaJedi First of all, stop getting your facts from secular websites bc it shows. The Treaty of Tripoli was not signed by George Washington, but by John Adams. If u cant get that one simple fact right, then dont go around lecturing others on history.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100 Ok , so I see Im dealing with a moron here . Take 2 seconds to do some research . George Washingto signed the Treaty on March 30 , 1975 . It was later signed by Adams after being ratified by the senate . You could find this in your sixth grade history book , unless of course you were homeschooled , explaining then why you don't know how to read .
MindofaJedi 1 year ago
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@MindofaJedi "George Washingto signed the Treaty on March 30 , 1975" Hey guess what? Washington died in 1799. If Washington had signed the Treaty before Adams, then there was no point for Adams to sign it anyway. Its very simple. Go Google a pic of "Treaty of Tripoli" and look at the bottom they'll have John Adams' signature. Nowhere on the document is Washington's signature found.
" Ok , so I see Im dealing with a moron here . Take 2 seconds to do some research . "
Im not the moron lol.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@MindofaJedi Dumb ass! It was signed and approved by John Adams in 1796! Take two seconds and get you head out of your ass. You made good points in your video. But the fact is. Thomas Jefferson, and many of the founding fathers, were Deists. They believed in God, many read the bible and went to church. There were also many Christian men in congress as well. But they advocated that America should have NO formal religion.
AmericanCryer 5 months ago
@AmericanCryer Wow , learn to read I just posted it was signed by Washington , because it was , and it was later signed by Adams, these things don't get done in a day. I never said all the Founding Fathers were atheists, however Deists are 1 step removed from atheists as they believe God has no hand in affecting our affairs and everything unfolds according to natural law, which was as close to physics as anyone got back then .
MindofaJedi 5 months ago
@MindofaJedi Three were deist.
anthonyhooker1775 2 months ago
@AmericanCryer 3 were diest. only 3.
anthonyhooker1775 2 months ago
@anthonyhooker1775 Oops, my bad. But still this country should not base itself on a single religion. I can understand basing off of morals and teachings of a religion. The 1st Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the prohibition of the practice thereof:" So by law itself, no one can lawfully claim this nation to be a Christian nation, or a Jewish, or Islamic, etc. We are not a Theocracy, but a Republic.
AmericanCryer 2 months ago
@AmericanCryer I agree that there is no Government established religion and should not be. All have the choice, and freedom to do as they wish. Believe or not believe. I would never force anyone to become a christian. that is a personal choice for each. All I am saying is we were founded on Biblical, Christian principles. Our constitution prohibits Congress from making laws to establish or prevent our exercise of religion. You are correct.
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@anthonyehooker Have you read the documents that the quotes you cited came from or did you just ciphon those quotes off the internet? My guess is the latter.
jfsfrnd 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd I have read many of them. There is a book you might be interested in its called Lives of the Signers of the Declaration Originally published in 1848, Very interesting. I also have a copy of one of George Washingtons Journals. I also have the first History book printed in America, written in 1887. I have many, many hours of research and work on this matter. There is a lot of information at the national archives in Washington D.C.
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@anthonyehooker Thanks for the references. You do know, however, that peoples personal opinions have nothing to do with our laws? Many of the documents you cited were just that. Just because someone mentioned, God, Almighty God, our savior, Natures God, general principles of Christianity, etc. it doesn't automatically refer to a profession of mainstream Christianity. Christians have always pushed as they do today to make their religion the main religion of the United States. It is not.
jfsfrnd 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd Looks like there are many books on Google Books with that tite. Just curious, do you know what moral matter Lyman Hall was fired from his church for committing?
jfsfrnd 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd I'm not saying it is America's religion. We do not have a national religion. All I'm saying is our founding fathers founded our nation on Christian principles. They most quoted Blackstone, Monesque, and the Bible. Blackstone and Monesque quoted the bible over 1500 times in their writings. Over 15,000 quotes from our founders can be traced back to the bible directly and indirectly through these two writers.
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@anthonyehooker I am not disputing that some of the founders quoted from the Bible, but they also quoted from non Christian sources as well. And many used Deist terms like Natures God, the God of Nature, Almighty God, the Creator, law of Nature and Natural Law which are misinterpreted as being Christian or Biblical. Was Blackstone a Christian? Was Montesquieu a Christian? Thomas Paine sure wasn't. Was John Locke? The founders also quoted from Greek and Roman texts.
jfsfrnd 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd not right off. I'd have to research it.
anthonyehooker 5 days ago
@anthonyehooker All I have found is a reference to his committing some type of moral indiscretion or moral matter.
jfsfrnd 5 days ago
@jfsfrnd What about the Supreme Courts official findings?
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
@anthonyehooker I agree. And our principles, which are based off of Biblical principles, are also found in other major religions as well. Love one another, keep the golden rule, and promote peace, and liberty. Almost every single religion has these principles as their fundamentals. No matter what the media might say. It's all universal in many aspects.
AmericanCryer 5 days ago
@AmericanCryer Those would be the ''general principles of Christianity'' that John Adams spoke of and the Philosophy of Jesus that Jefferson spoke of. We all live by them today. Well except these guys:
watch?v=edllJ1BxxSQ
By the end of the interview they get really cold-blooded. At least they are honest about it though.
jfsfrnd 4 days ago
@AmericanCryer true they are found in other religions, but the founders specifically named Christianity, Which means Christ Like. Many times they even mention Jesus himself.
anthonyehooker 4 days ago
@anthonyehooker They do, but that was probably what they were used to. Ghandi would be a India version of Jesus, with respect to his teachings. So someone in India, who may not know who Jesus is, would base their beliefs off of Ghandi's teachings, or any other patriarch past and present. The messages were always the same. Love, and Peace. Blessed are the Peacemakers. Love each other as I loved you. Both sayings of Jesus, and I bet are found everywhere.
AmericanCryer 4 days ago
@AmericanCryer It is like each era, each culture and religion, has a messenger who teaches these things. They all seem to shake foundations, rattle cages, and break the binding chains of tyranny, both physically and spiritually. That's what is important. Not what religion is better, but what the overall message is. And I think the founders, especially those who were deist, understood that.
AmericanCryer 4 days ago
@MindofaJedi |GOD is the name of the Source of all natural phenomena. "God" made the laws of Nature - and they are inviolable.
djgarbis 6 months ago
@djgarbis according to YOU, but of course that isn't demostrable in any way.
MindofaJedi 6 months ago
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?"
~Thomas Jefferson
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
I'm a Berean Bible Christian and I agree with this video. The Founders were Rosicrucians and Freemasons. Jefferson was a Naturist (or is it Naturalist?). His idea of church was walking through a forest. They founded this country so they could practice their strange brand of Rosicrucianism without being hassled by King George III, who was persecuting them. They had to extend tolerance to other religions to be FAIR. They were not true Christians.
xander7ful 1 year ago
Thank you. I could do without the metal but every righty out there says our country was founded on christianity. Now I have a video to post every time they say that. Maybe the metal music will just piss them off more when I prove them wrong. LOL
DocTaboc 1 year ago
I hate how all the fucking retarded christian people always use quotes from people that wrote speaches they had nothing to do with the constitution they where just speaches read for local people!
carnypimp 1 year ago
I don't get this mix of such valuable information combined with such terrible annoying music.
totaljett 1 year ago
America founded on Christianity? not so much...
MrsPamela74 1 year ago
Why are you playing this terrible metal song? Play some DEATH or something.
Kids these days.
TheMango121 1 year ago
It would have been nice to have some music in the background that was tolerable! It ruins it.
1milewski 2 years ago
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Wow I hope you guyz don't really believe this. This video is soo biased. You just pick and choose quotes that seem the best for your case from two of the founding fathers that are the most liberal (which wasn't that liberal) Don't believe this lie!!! Read the entire documents made by ALL of the founding fathers and you will really see the truth. You know the founding fathers prayed for over 3 hours before each conventional meeting they had. You can't rely on this compilation of crap! God bless!
tfiore22 2 years ago
They absolutely did not pray for 3 hours ever before any meeting . Jefferson , Franklin , and Paine clearly stated on multiple occasions their disgust with Christianity . It is well known that in 1800 less than 10% of the USA population was a member of any church . Check out Liars For Jesus , a great book that shows how Christians have agressively spread lies and misinformation in an attempt at revisionist history to make America "more Christian " .
MindofaJedi 2 years ago 9
@MindofaJedi Check out Lesson 10 of "The Truth Project." Christians aren't to blame for historical revisionism.
xxJak 1 year ago
@MindofaJedi
I'm curious where you got this 1800 statistic from.
And why it stinks of bull.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@MindofaJedi Better research your history. What Bible scripture did they read June 11, 1776 before discussing our Declaration. They quoted over 5000 statements from various other works? What was number one with over 50% of the quotes came from? The Bible! Next came Blackstone, the law book.
anthonyhooker1775 2 months ago
@tfiore22 Kinda like Christians and their Bible.
gaums 1 year ago
@tfiore22 Where did you get that wonderful bit of bullshit? These men who Hated organized religion all prayed together?....for 3 fucking hours? You crazy yo'
Kumite0071 1 year ago
@tfiore22 Holy crap you really are full of it. They most certainly did not pray for 3 hours. Read Thomas Paine, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams they were in no way devout Christians. Paine despised the church and "The Age of Reason" still pisses the church off to this day. The religious right cannot bare the thought that the most important men of our country were not religions zealots like themselves. This is why they try to rewrite history, like they just did in Texas. You are truly deceived.
uniteordie1 1 year ago
yea! thanks for compiling this.
sacredshakti 2 years ago
cool
101terminatorsccc 2 years ago
Legalize
LegalizeMyPot 2 years ago
Agreed! But is this potted meat - ahem, spam?
tehpevis 2 years ago
if it was spam i would of said "everyone sub to me".
LegalizeMyPot 2 years ago
There's a point there.
tehpevis 2 years ago
awsome!!! love history
miralomamountainlion 2 years ago
This is why the Republican Party has been sliding further and further down in the public discourse; they have truly forgotten what it means to be American. They blame the media, but the media can only report on what happens; if they wanted to look better on the news, they would actually do good things instead of doing evil and blaming it on Jesus.
uberjim83 2 years ago 6