When i was kid i was told a tale how on the judgement day all ppl are to be judged before god, and only afghans came in dancing and singin, so God wondered about it and asked his archangel who these ppl are. the angel told him, but the afghan ppl heard the conversation, ad left saying: "If god doesnt know us, so we do not know about god". So if you ask me what is longer then life i say Pride. Call me foolish or whatever, but i can date my bloodline to guys who killed one of Ghenghis Khans sons.
If it comes to a point where a person can not visualize himself without a god or a religion, at that very point, you know it has gone too far.
You also know it has gone too far when that person says that "bad people are going to hell still my religion is based on love".
why?
Because that is a major contradiction.
If your religion would be based on love, hell would not exist since love is a big sea of oneness that swallow all fear and negativity and accepts everyone despite of who or what we are.
Religion is fucked up I agree. But that has to do with man not God....
religion is all man-made... God is not... and - yea que the loud mouth to say "yes he is! yes he is!'
but yea that's my take on it... I never respected religion much. But I studied them and tried to take the good from them...
And I think what they meant by "life is too short" means they are trying to be safe ratehr than sorry but it could also have to do with the pursuit of happiness.
I disagree with your whole premise. A person who believes that the Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God, should also be able to defend against claims of 'imperfections' or 'mistakes.' So I don't think you have much of a valid point considering your understanding and a believers understanding of what faith truly is - is not the same.
No dude. Defending something doesn't automatically mean you have proof or facts on your side. it only means your trying to defend something. So like Proteanview said, you are basing your entire life on something you don't know; Rather, you are basing your life on something you believe without any proof, facts, or evidence. So as far as I can see, you have not explained how Protean's understanding of faith is any different then "believers".
"Something???" Who's talking about just mere old "something?" I'm talking about THE WORD OF GOD... That's like saying-->"Defending PROOF OR FACTS doesn't automatically mean you have PROOF OR FACTS on your side. And it's really not a matter of speaking to the issue of "Protean's understanding" but to the way "faith'" is being defined. ..IOW.. what dictionary definition defines "faith" in those particular terms?.. i.e.: "not knowing" etc...?
"Defending PROOF OR FACTS doesn't automatically mean you have PROOF OR FACTS on your side"
Okay lets take a step back. Please provide your definition of "The Word of God" and then explain how exactly it stands as a fact or proof of anything.
secondly, I'd like to call your attention to the merriam-webster definition of faith:
1. a. :allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b. (1): fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2. a. (1):belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b. (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3. : something that is believed especially with strong conviction.
faith is apart of what is known according to Christianity, I don't know if I'll take a another breath at this second but I know enough to keep inhaling and exhaling this shows that I'm alive through faith but my life now is based on faith not just that God exist but that the none tangible evidence that he is. so the truth to me, it may not be your truth( knowledge) that "God is" after I've come in to faith, faith+evidence of truth=knowledge and to answer the ? at the end I have God!
Stop QQing over pats videos and get over yourself. Religion makes there life and death what they WANT it to be and not what it has the potential of being. For example our progress as a species. Religion (Humanity's ball and chain) prevents people from thinking in a way that allows our civilization to think rationally instead of murdering everybody all the time, which is in the Bible. Its ALL about our survival as a species and what we can accomplish while we are alive. Religion just die already.
Quit saying your not sure it exists. You dont get the true message of ANYTHING in the Bible. You have to ASK JESUS, he says this. For understanding of everything you read. Or it will just look like parables and nonsense. YOU HAVE TO ASK. And you will receive the Holy Spirit to show you the truth.
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe THIS THIS EVERYONE OR YOU WILL BE BLIND FOREVER. YOU. ARE the type of people that will take the MARK OF THE BEAST. They are already the Chips to put into your skin that lets you buy and sell to REDUCE stealing. They may say its WONDERFUL and it makes you life better and easier. THE BIBLE PROPHESIED THEY WOULD MAKE THIS. This is MANS LAST CHANCE. If you receive this mark of the new world order you go to hell forever and ever. Cause you are saying you desire life MORE THAN GOD. BAM.
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe LISTE TO THIS EVERYONE OR YOU WILL BE BLIND FOREVER. YOU. ARE the type of people that will take the MARK OF THE BEAST. They are already the Chips to put into your skin that lets you buy and sell to REDUCE stealing. They may say its WONDERFUL and it makes you life better and easier. THE BIBLE PROPHESIED THEY WOULD MAKE THIS. This is MANS LAST CHANCE. If you receive this mark of the new world order you go to hell forever and ever. Cause you are saying you desire life MORE THAN GOD.
Religion is a crutch for the weak, and simple minded. People for some reason cannot comprehend an end to something. They make up stories to everlasting life, and promise an alternative to the harshness of reality. Therefor the weak minded mob follows like sheep, even when in the end we meet the same fate. A plant turns sunlight and water into food, is this god? No, it is science. Religion is merely the weak minded inventing an answer, or the powers that be(church) way of controlling them.
Why the fuck do you base your life around being gay? Have those who believe, operative word being, "believe," they are logical gone away? This is another stupid video.
is it natural for humans to think there is afterlife? or should i say that hopeful thinking doesn't mean reality. We often want to seek the ultimate truth and to think that our existance continues after death. Even if there exists an ultimate truth, it would have to exist within your perception of reality so why does it matter? Make the best out of your current life because your "after life" may not be real!
Lottery tickets can offer hope, don't buy them. The question at the end is rhetorical and for the simple minded, on what scale are we measuring life? Please man, faith is a cop out for those who can't decide, for fence sitters and intellectual cowards. The refuge of both the scoundrel and the fearful. Faith provides a veil of denial that all men and women eventually see through, and then have a choice, to live the rest of their lives in denial or to mature and decide to live free.
Excellent video and lovely points! (That I concur w/ wholeheartedly!) Problem is getting them to use reason instead of the faith! You be accused of being a "temptation from satan!"
yes those of faith are risking basing their entire lives on faith, but those who don't have faith are risking a potential enternity. if you are person of faith and there is not afterlife, you lose nothing; if you are person of faith and there is an afterlife, you may gain everything. if you are not a person of faith and there is no afterlife you've not gained anything and if there is an afterlife then ur f*****.
and btw, we have a belief system that is longer than any intividuals life.
people had to believe in the submarine beforethey made the submarine. they were led on by faith thru painstaking processes of building it, even when they were all met with impossible odds.
my point is, faith is an inherent faculty of man whithout which he is never fully realized. so by saying that faith is just senseless belief, you are depriving the human intellect of one of its basic features.
If god thinks someone deserves to burn in Hell that`s where he sends them yeah? He sends them there because he thinks they should be punished for not believing in him yeah? (btw. what an insecure prick he must be)
So why then would Satan do what god wants and punish people? Does Satan work for god? Surely Satan would reward the people in Hell.
btw. I don`t believe in any religious bullshit. I`m just saying if.
Absolutely. If two companies are trying to hire me, they're both going to offer things to get me to choose them. Saying Satan is going to punish unbelievers, when they're rejecting God like he did, seems stupid. It sounds like propaganda to dissuade people from picking Satan.
"Nah, nah, you gotta pick our guy! Sure, he'll beat you up a lot and he's an insecure prick, but the other guy will uh, roast you in flames... n stuff... yeah!"
I can`t help thinking of the god character as a kind of Kim Il Sung in the sky. The ruler of a celestial dictatorship. Maybe Hell is like the West where people are free. lol. nah. What I really think is that all religions are bullshit. No Heaven or Hell, simple as.
Hitler sent defier's to Auschwitz , whereas the Christian-Muslim deity sends non-believers to Hell. Since the ovens ended suffering, but Hell is supposedly eternal agony, The god of Jesus and Muhammad is infinity more sadistic and evil than Hitler. Far better to be a Nazi than a devout Christian or Muslim.
It's childish and extremely DANGEROUS superstition is the point. Venerating tyranny and vehemently rejecting knowledge is recognized as dangerous in political ideologies, yet is exalted in religion! Millions who fled from and fought to destroy Nazism and Communism prostrate themselves before tyrants infinitely more oppressive and abominable than Hitler and Stalin! Sheer Madness!
ahh u atheists are so hot tempered. and here i thought i was having a discussion.
your disbelief is subject to scrutiny. it isnt solidly established on any logic. maybe what u are trying to say is that u dont believe in the 'santa clause' version of god that ur mind imagines.
god is the ultimate reality. his existence is necessary for our existence and that of everything elses.
OK, let`s go by your version of god then( shit, there are so many it`s hard to know how to argue). First I need to know, did the snake talk? Did the virgin give birth? Did zombies walk the streets?
Is your disbelief of Garuda or Vishnu or Ram subject to the same scrutiny? What if you end up in a different god`s hell? Maybe you`ve got the wrong god. I think it`s all BS.
So anyway, my question was,"Does the devil work for your god? You`ve still not even tried.
Listen. If you asked me a question I`d do my best to answer it. You won`t even try. You keep talking about god like I believe in it. If all you can do is keep spouting shit with no evidence to back it up don`t bother.
I quote you, "the devil works for god cuz hes also the save of god."
Read that again and tell me WTF you`re on about. And where`s your evidence? Are you really that brainwashed?
If you think you can only fail at grasping reality that`s quite sad. Let me try to help you poor thing. Just clear your mind of religion for an hour. Have a look around. There it is look. REALITY.
I`m not 100% sure that I am right. Your version of Christianity may be right. Or maybe one of the hundreds of other versions. Could be that one of the versions of Islam, or Hinduism( etc, etc etc) is spot on.
You`d probably agree that most religions are BS, even though their followers are as devout as you are to yours. I just put your religion on a par with them all. Unless you have evidence ofcourse.
Disbelief is only subject to scrutiny when evidence to the contrary exists, if it does not, then the burden of proof falls on the believer. The idea of a God who is a life-giving, creating, unknowable force makes him fairly ambiguous, and you essentially just insert him as a higher level of reality that is not readily perceivable, so why would he give humans logic, and then expect them to ignore it in reguard to his existence, something that he deems intrinsic to their eternal happiness?
Order is in the eyes of the beholder, there is a kind of order in the world, but that order actually dissolves into chaos when you get to the quantum level. Secondly, order exists because our senses impose it, if we percieved the universe in the way it really is, we wouldn't be able to survive. Thirdly, if the highest truth is simply to accept something BECAUSE you can't perceive it, then you have to accept that everything exists, discarding religious doctrine entirely.
Why would you worship something that produces evil?
Not only that, but if he is omniscient, then he must have known that the world would be like this. That leads to the conclusion that he wants it like this; Therefore, he must want all the suffering in the world. A god that wants suffering isn't a god, but a tyrant. He doesn't just let evil persist, he created and planned for it. Your god is an ass.
I don't care if he is limited, a god that could do no evil would be FAR superior to one that could.
"HE created evil to test u"
But he knows everything, so he knows the results without even having to perform a test. Also, creating evil just to test people is cruel. Again, your god is an ass.
This is where we'll simply have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to worship something based solely on whether it is "transcendent" or not. No, for something to be worthy of my worship, it would have to be benevolent, caring, and forgiving. But I'm picky like that.
and that is where ill have to point out to you once again, one cannot worship something limited. it goes against the idea of worship. if ur thinking of having a mascot to represent ur mentality, thats diff thing.
god isnt a mascot.
and maybe ur too impatient, but god is known as the all merciful and all compassionate.
Actually, you can worship anything. People worshiped the sun for years.
"god is known as the all merciful and all compassionate"
That's not what the holy books say. They say he's jealous, vengeful, angry, and that he tortures people that wrong him for eternity. I couldn't worship such a monster.
I haven't seen any evidence for any deities, ever; I don't think you're absorbed in any "ultimate reality." Also, you can't just make up your own definition of worship.
You're right, it does say that. It also says that he mercilessly kills babies, children, commits genocide himself, orders his followers to commit genocide, orders the rape of enemy women, gives rules on how to enslave your neighbors, and numerous other horrible things that a good god wouldn't do.
And let's not forget the worst one of all: That he'll torture you FOREVER if you so much as doubt his existence. What a great guy.
If he came from desert-dwelling men some 1400 years ago, it must mean I am smarter. And it appears this is the case. Why would he create something that deserves to be punished? It would be the equivalent of giving birth to a child that you know is going to be a murderer, raising him to be a murderer, and then spending eternity punishing him for being what you planned him to be. To quote Matt Dillahunty, it's absurd; It's laughably absurd.
So basically your argument boils down to "God works in mysterious ways."
That tells me that it doesn't make sense to you either. Right now you try not to think about it too much (I did the same when I was religious). Maybe one day you'll realize that it doesn't make sense because it was thought up my men thousands of years ago.
Or you'll ignore your doubts and continue to follow blindly.
"what is stupid is using finite thining to grasp this INFINITE TRUTH"
If this is true, all religions are pointless. You can't believe your own statement, because that sentence is the equivalent of admitting defeat. As a human, you CANNOT use anything but finite thinking. That means that you CANNOT grasp the infinite truth.
I, on the other hand, look at your religion from the outside, knowing that it was made by men that weren't any smarter than me. That allows me to criticize quite well.
good reasoning finally. but aahh u missed a point tho. god is all powerful. so it must mean he reserves for himself the ability to communicate with us . am i right?
hence the scriuptures.
and as humans, we may not know infinite absolute ultimate reality as in figure it out, but we do know its there.
hence the saying, all ppl feel god whether religious or not.
Ignoring, for the moment, the fact that there is NO evidence that any deity has inspired any holy book ever; Why would your god trust in a book to get his message out? A book that can be interpreted many ways. A book that can be modified by men who want to control people. A book that happens to be a mixture of pagan religions of the area.
I don't feel god, or else I would believe in him/her/it.
ALLAH challenges anyone to find fault with his word, the quran. or produce something like it.
so produce something like it , then talk.
and the message is clear and not open to various interpretations. the corruption is entirely weighing on the shou;lders of ur 'glorious' human race. not god.
if u cant understand a holy book, its cuz u entrusted corrupt priest with the book.
There are lots of holy book just like the quran, and they've all got faults (just like the quran). I haven't made any assumptions to get to my position, you have.
You say there are no misinterpretations, that means that all the Islamic extremists have it right. That means that your religion is violent and dangerous, and your god supports it. One more reason your god is an ass.
Then again, it's not god's word anyway, and I challenge you to prove that it is.
You say that the Quran can't be misinterpreted, now you say the fundamentalists have misinterpreted it. You say that our finite minds cannot grasp god, yet somehow a book makes our minds not finite. You worship a being who will torture you infinitely for finite crimes. If you don't see the folly in your logic, there's really nothing I can do to show you.
The funny thing is: if there was a good argument for god, you could convince me. Never seen one, though.
"the message is clear and not open to various interpretations"
That's you that said that about the Quran. I'm just saying that, if you believe that, extremists must have it right.
Also, you're correct when you say that religious books are altered by people over the centuries. However, it would be incredibly naive to assume that your book hadn't been modified. Which is why an all-knowing god wouldn't use something like a book.
You can't be serious, I'm starting to think I'm being trolled
It couldn't have been altered because it was revised by many loyal companions and thats why we prey 5 times a day so we never forget what each verse is saying.
That's not any better. Assuming they all have photographic memories, they would have to constantly look over it to see if anyone has changed it over the years. That means they would have to live FOREVER. Obviously they're dead.
Ofcourse its better because many many thousands of people memmorised the Quran till today many many muslims memmorise it. My kids are all below 5 and have memmorised 3 surat from the Holy Quran. And i live in a western country.
@Unity4allhumans: You're fucking pathetic, forcing religion upon your children. You probably make them believe through fear, don't you? Assholes like you don't belong in this world.
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@vinnyMcDougal I give my children something to fall upon when life seems hopeless. When my life was in the drains my religion lifted me out of the dark hole.
You can teach ur children something came from nothing thats your right. But how dare u tell me what i can and can not teach my children as i see fit.
@Unity4allhumans: By doing that you're giving them a false sense of hope though. Can't you just be true and tell your children that no one knows and it will always be that way? Also, you're damn I'll tell you what not to teach your kids, because them having your genetic material doesn't make them your slave. It's fine to educate them about religion, and then let them choose later. But I have strong feeling that's not what you're doing.
@vinnyMcDougal How can a person go through there hole life without wondering why they are here and how they got here. How did Earth get here? How did the Sun get at the perfect distance from Earth to heat it? How come everything is placed perfectly for the Earth to have day and night? Creation is the ONLY answer. If gravity formed all this from gases ect, there are to many questions unanswered. Humans, the flesh. We got mouths to eat, an ass to shit, eyes to see. WE WERE CREATED. By Jesus <3.
Yeah, im really greatfull my parents didnt force Christianity upon me. and now that i work in a kiddnygaurden ( or how you spell it xD ) im onna tell all the chilldrens to never litsen to that bullshit.. ( religion )
@vinnyMcDougal you're fucking pathetic,forcing your atheistic religion upon your children.You probably make them believe through stupidity ,and ignorance, Don't you? Assholes like you don't belong in this world.......Shut the fuck up you faggot pussy
@MrMinestein: LOL. Typical person that makes all believers look like idiots. Actually, if i had kids, I would let them decide what they wanted to believe. I wouldn't be an arrogant fuck who assumes that I'm right and they have to believe what I do. As for the faggot pussy part, I'm straight and I train in mma, so that statment kind of loses.
thats what im starting to think. Just because extremists are unpleasant, does that instantly make them wrong? I find it hard to believe that a religion(islam) founded in saudi arabia in 600ad somehow managed to make itself fit in with the laws of the united kingdom 1400 years later, now thats pretty insightful!
If u seek enlightment to your earliest questions- read apostle Paul- he actually explains clearly what faith IS :-)
The answer to your last question: I HAVE Quantum Continuity (or rather I am a part of one). That includes (of course) my ancestors that lived before me and my descendants that will live after me.
Answer to the intermediate Q: I have so many things I do well - not sure which I would be most happy with - and only ONE life to live - Which must I choose? I am an agnostic :-))
Without doubt, one of the factors in the emergence of anti-religious ideas and a phalanx of deniers of God, has been the false teachings, the inadequacies and the intellectual perversions of the followers of some religions. The peculiarities and separate characteristics of each religion must, therefore, be individually examined when studying the reasons that have led men to adhere to that religion.
The brainwashed atheists want to see God in a laboratory?
The sciences cannot carry out a laboratory experiment on the existence of God and then reach the verdict that if a thing is not physically observable and it cannot be established by means of laboratory experiment and mathematical calculation, it, therefore, has no reality.
It's not a waste of life. I'm a Christian and I am sooo incredibly happy with the life I live.
So let me pose a question for you:
If there isn't a heaven and God, what do I have to lose? I've lived a great life and I couldn't be happier about it, and once im dead, im dead and it won't matter.
But what if He is real, which he is. Looks like your going to be the one with the major problems. Because with heaven comes hell
Let me explain it to you thekatijane... The "better off believing just in case" argument you are posing is better known as Pascal's Wager. Which immediately makes your point invalid. If Christians are only moral because they fear hellfire and not because of what is right, then they are a sorry lot indeed.
I believe because i have witnessed and experienced things that can only be God.
I have felt his presence. You don't need to explain anything to me. I'm not afraid of hell, because I have Jesus Christ in my heart as my Lord and Savior.
But I am heart broken you, because clearly you do not.
What you call "witness," I would most likely call delusion. Do not be heart broken for me. I live a fulfilling, moral and happy life that is free from the burden of so-called "sin." I am heart broken for you, wasting the only life you will ever have on the lies and empty promises of a lousy book. "And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence." - Bertrand Russell
Atheists don't require faith -- the atheist position is that it's possible that there's a god, but since there's no good evidence for it they reject the specific or general claim that a god exists. This is different from the anti-theist stance that "there is no god". All anti-theists are atheists, but not all atheists are anti-theists. And you don't KNOW that god has a place for you, you have faith in it without proof -- you just said so yourself in the first half of your comment.
No. Atheism goes to belief; I don't believe there is a god, but I don't go so far as to say "I believe that there are no gods" (ANTItheism). Agnosticism goes to knowledge; I know there is/I know there isn't are gnostic positions; I don't know is agnostic.
I believe there is money in my bank account, but I don't KNOW it, someone may have stolen my banking info. I don't believe that anyone HAS stolen my info, but I won't believe that no one has stolen it until I check my balance -- get it?
I agree! Faith is just belief without proof! And since you have no proof of your god...I do not believe! Just read the reply you posted. You said "no person actually KNOWS." But just a few lines later you say "I'm happy because I KNOW god has a place reserved for me in heaven." Forgive me for saying that you appear to be a bit irrational. I'm happy because there is no reason to believe in an afterlife. When I die, that's it. It's over, which makes the life I have worth so much more.
now obviously this type of knowlege cant be given by you to another person. you can tell them about it..but hey have to believe yuo or not. it isnt knolwegd for them ad you cant make it knolwedge for them. only god can. and so only each person has to do it for himself to get it...or not, its all our choices.
as far as the bible, why do you think people search for its primordial form?
as far as saying you sacrifice things for the afterlife...completly wrong in my view. heaven/hell is here too
your much more decent of a person then pat condell
here is an answer for you
faith is an assumption that you dont know, but it is also something that can be obtained from using the knowing sense connected to our inuitive minds. and experience of god. experience of what your entire fiber of being says is god...is a kind of knowing.
faith for some is obtained by many things in the bible seeing as true so significantly that you ask god to reveal himself and it happens.
has god ever revealed himself to you? if so then isn't that unfair? many people have asked god to reveal himself and have found nothing. people often justify this by saying 'god requires you to believe on faith alone'. if god has revealed himself to you then that is not the case for you anymore. is that just? is that something that a god would do? and why did he choose to reveal himself to you and not so many others? what sets you apart?
i cant speak on what is fair in a completely holistic view, neither can any man woman or child.
only god can
but i will tell you this, genuinity in asking seems to be very important. you cant really speak for anothers expoerience with this process , only your own. so i wouldnt worry about it or try to intellectualize and theorize on things we just cant know. you have to be that person. but you are you, so think about it from your position
you see man is a twofold being; matter and spirit.
in the mind this is divided like intuitive and cognitive minds.
scientific observances is how the cognitive mind recognizes reality. it understands the process but it doesnt KNOW
the intuitive mind just KNOWS but it cant observe or explain
the trick is to get them to agree and that will give you the will to ask god in a genuine way to reveal himself to you. thats one of my ideas. it may be wrong or right.
if you want my guess, id say god understands fair better then any man. saying god requires faith alone...id say that he understands the dilemna of material and spirit, of cognitive and intuitive minds and mans struggle to resolve the two forces. id say that negative emotions only help to hurt your chances of anything productive or and true understandings. id say that maybe you fail before you try cuz you doubt instead of truly want to know. id say you know best and you just have to be honest
I always figured folks believed because they are acting in their own selfish interest. They believe they get something for it, or are being saved from hell....to answer your question. I have nothing after my life has ended.
the main problem with your position is that you falsely assert what the Bible actually states or teaches and you engage in superficial, semantic distortions. What is clear is that you have not studied the Bible to any degree. The LOVING God of the Bible does not CAUSE innocent children to die. God is also HOLY, HOLY, HOLY & you do not understand literary or philosophical devices & concepts- you are delusional
Let's say you are preparing for a camping trip. And you need to take 3 weeks worth of food. So you get the 1st week's food and the 3rd week's food because you beleive that 1+1=3. And then you starve to death. Very clever. To teach your children something that is inherantly obviously wrong. We have been able to live + evolve for millions of years because the way we acted based on our perception of reality was consistent with the nature of the universe.
The word faith used in the Bible means more of an assurance or a conviction. It is not blind, for if it were then I would not die for it or build my life around it.
let's ignore the fact that 1+1 has been mathmatically proven to be 2. Even if it hadn't, believing that 1+1=2 is functional. If we belived that 1+1=3 and based all mathematical calculations on this assumption, do YOU think we would have all the scientific advancements of today? I don't.
Do not confuse Proof with Knowledge. We can't know that what we see is true because of the potential error in our sensory data. But this doesn't matter. It's very apathetic to say that we can't know anything so let's not look. So we don't say that and we do look. Proof on the other hand requires assumptions. The one assumption in this case is that addition can be aplied to all natural numbers. But as I said earlier, only the functionality of the belief is important, not its intrinsic correctness
What are you rambling on about? 1+1=2 has nothing to do with sensory data, not looking, the difference between proof and knowledge or any other part of your ramblings. 1+1=2 is a convention humans use. If your convention was that the symbol 3 was used to represented two (one more than one) then all of the math would still work. Just as §+%=# would still work if the symbols were defined accordingly. Your statement "the fact that 1+1 has been mathmatically proven to be 2" is utter non-sense.
this guys a poor wanna be of the original "curse of faith" guy..lol however they'll BOTH get the "proof" they so eargrly demand..SEE: "Marry K Baxter on Heaven and Hell Part 2"
The question wasn't "what Is longer than life?". We all know that the length of the life of a star is longer than that of a human being. The problem is assuming that one can surpass that life-time; that we can live as long or longer than stars can. The question was "what do you HAVE that's longer than life?".
What do you know about your life here on earth that gives you the belief that you will live forever?
Then don't assume the lenghth of smthing u cannot measure but instead look for instruments that can do it for u without engaging in melancholic rhethorics.
faith is a feeling of not knowing anything about something but a true conviction that you can't stop it?
that's called fatalism and solipsism.
not knowing something is not knowing it. infact, religious faith not only deals with things that are not known, but also are by definition unknowable.
this is the best you can do? an infantile cry for acknowledgment and respect? respect, my good sir, is not your right and is not yours to take advantage of. your pitiful and utterly ignorant reply is a showcase to your gastly, immoral proposition. your reply is equivalent to putting earmuffs on and dancing about singing: i've won!
so arrogant. so pitiful.
opinions vary. yes, they do. but most ot them are complete mumbo-jumbo as yours is.
call me a terrorist, but at least i am not a she-male.
SpicyHam 11 months ago
When i was kid i was told a tale how on the judgement day all ppl are to be judged before god, and only afghans came in dancing and singin, so God wondered about it and asked his archangel who these ppl are. the angel told him, but the afghan ppl heard the conversation, ad left saying: "If god doesnt know us, so we do not know about god". So if you ask me what is longer then life i say Pride. Call me foolish or whatever, but i can date my bloodline to guys who killed one of Ghenghis Khans sons.
Gzail 1 year ago
If it comes to a point where a person can not visualize himself without a god or a religion, at that very point, you know it has gone too far.
You also know it has gone too far when that person says that "bad people are going to hell still my religion is based on love".
why?
Because that is a major contradiction.
If your religion would be based on love, hell would not exist since love is a big sea of oneness that swallow all fear and negativity and accepts everyone despite of who or what we are.
Dmaj87 1 year ago
pleeeeease tell that to my mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XxEvE1986xX 1 year ago
Not all religious people are ignorant "rednecks"...funny how I can say that but not nigger and I'm neither black nor white...
America's fucked up man!
J0ker4u 1 year ago
Religion is fucked up I agree. But that has to do with man not God....
religion is all man-made... God is not... and - yea que the loud mouth to say "yes he is! yes he is!'
but yea that's my take on it... I never respected religion much. But I studied them and tried to take the good from them...
And I think what they meant by "life is too short" means they are trying to be safe ratehr than sorry but it could also have to do with the pursuit of happiness.
J0ker4u 1 year ago
Because their weak, affraid and in need of an easy acceptable answer.
bettyboop392 1 year ago
I disagree with your whole premise. A person who believes that the Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God, should also be able to defend against claims of 'imperfections' or 'mistakes.' So I don't think you have much of a valid point considering your understanding and a believers understanding of what faith truly is - is not the same.
Galloingoyland 1 year ago
@Galloingoyland
No dude. Defending something doesn't automatically mean you have proof or facts on your side. it only means your trying to defend something. So like Proteanview said, you are basing your entire life on something you don't know; Rather, you are basing your life on something you believe without any proof, facts, or evidence. So as far as I can see, you have not explained how Protean's understanding of faith is any different then "believers".
penn919 1 year ago
@penn919
"Something???" Who's talking about just mere old "something?" I'm talking about THE WORD OF GOD... That's like saying-->"Defending PROOF OR FACTS doesn't automatically mean you have PROOF OR FACTS on your side. And it's really not a matter of speaking to the issue of "Protean's understanding" but to the way "faith'" is being defined. ..IOW.. what dictionary definition defines "faith" in those particular terms?.. i.e.: "not knowing" etc...?
Galloingoyland 1 year ago
@Galloingoyland
"Defending PROOF OR FACTS doesn't automatically mean you have PROOF OR FACTS on your side"
Okay lets take a step back. Please provide your definition of "The Word of God" and then explain how exactly it stands as a fact or proof of anything.
penn919 1 year ago
@Galloingoyland
secondly, I'd like to call your attention to the merriam-webster definition of faith:
1. a. :allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b. (1): fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2. a. (1):belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b. (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3. : something that is believed especially with strong conviction.
penn919 1 year ago
faith is apart of what is known according to Christianity, I don't know if I'll take a another breath at this second but I know enough to keep inhaling and exhaling this shows that I'm alive through faith but my life now is based on faith not just that God exist but that the none tangible evidence that he is. so the truth to me, it may not be your truth( knowledge) that "God is" after I've come in to faith, faith+evidence of truth=knowledge and to answer the ? at the end I have God!
Godschild123 1 year ago
Stop QQing over pats videos and get over yourself. Religion makes there life and death what they WANT it to be and not what it has the potential of being. For example our progress as a species. Religion (Humanity's ball and chain) prevents people from thinking in a way that allows our civilization to think rationally instead of murdering everybody all the time, which is in the Bible. Its ALL about our survival as a species and what we can accomplish while we are alive. Religion just die already.
LegendaryZody 1 year ago
Quit saying your not sure it exists. You dont get the true message of ANYTHING in the Bible. You have to ASK JESUS, he says this. For understanding of everything you read. Or it will just look like parables and nonsense. YOU HAVE TO ASK. And you will receive the Holy Spirit to show you the truth.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe THIS THIS EVERYONE OR YOU WILL BE BLIND FOREVER. YOU. ARE the type of people that will take the MARK OF THE BEAST. They are already the Chips to put into your skin that lets you buy and sell to REDUCE stealing. They may say its WONDERFUL and it makes you life better and easier. THE BIBLE PROPHESIED THEY WOULD MAKE THIS. This is MANS LAST CHANCE. If you receive this mark of the new world order you go to hell forever and ever. Cause you are saying you desire life MORE THAN GOD. BAM.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe SORRY for typos
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe LISTE TO THIS EVERYONE OR YOU WILL BE BLIND FOREVER. YOU. ARE the type of people that will take the MARK OF THE BEAST. They are already the Chips to put into your skin that lets you buy and sell to REDUCE stealing. They may say its WONDERFUL and it makes you life better and easier. THE BIBLE PROPHESIED THEY WOULD MAKE THIS. This is MANS LAST CHANCE. If you receive this mark of the new world order you go to hell forever and ever. Cause you are saying you desire life MORE THAN GOD.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
Religion is a crutch for the weak, and simple minded. People for some reason cannot comprehend an end to something. They make up stories to everlasting life, and promise an alternative to the harshness of reality. Therefor the weak minded mob follows like sheep, even when in the end we meet the same fate. A plant turns sunlight and water into food, is this god? No, it is science. Religion is merely the weak minded inventing an answer, or the powers that be(church) way of controlling them.
sgtjoebear 1 year ago
Why the fuck do you base your life around being gay? Have those who believe, operative word being, "believe," they are logical gone away? This is another stupid video.
TailGate234 1 year ago
m8, you cannot talk about it. go and pray.
duxedas 1 year ago
riches last longer than life. power lasts longer than life. ask the rockefellers etc.
lygophile 1 year ago
is it natural for humans to think there is afterlife? or should i say that hopeful thinking doesn't mean reality. We often want to seek the ultimate truth and to think that our existance continues after death. Even if there exists an ultimate truth, it would have to exist within your perception of reality so why does it matter? Make the best out of your current life because your "after life" may not be real!
sanjosebum85 1 year ago
Im glad i believe in god and no one should dare mess with jesus
lou0kang 1 year ago
Lottery tickets can offer hope, don't buy them. The question at the end is rhetorical and for the simple minded, on what scale are we measuring life? Please man, faith is a cop out for those who can't decide, for fence sitters and intellectual cowards. The refuge of both the scoundrel and the fearful. Faith provides a veil of denial that all men and women eventually see through, and then have a choice, to live the rest of their lives in denial or to mature and decide to live free.
christianitymustfall 1 year ago
very good points
leinadwerdnazelaznog 1 year ago
Excellent video and lovely points! (That I concur w/ wholeheartedly!) Problem is getting them to use reason instead of the faith! You be accused of being a "temptation from satan!"
crazy4carolyn 2 years ago
great point. faith is not rational thought.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
'Tell me what you have that is longer than life' - this question was once posed to a wrong guy, Lex the Impaler.
MrNostradamus2009 2 years ago
longer than life?
-curiosity
MagnusPsynoia 2 years ago
Bravo!
androxilogin 2 years ago
and the idea of the omnipotent creator is that he cannot be grasped by your thinking.
which is exactly what u r trying to do.
saying tht if he is all good, then why all evil?
well has it occured to you that he is teaching us things thru opposites?
u wont know good if u never know evil.
light will lose meaning without darkness.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
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@kingspider1000 "and the idea of the omnipotent creator is that he cannot be grasped by your thinking.
which is exactly what u r trying to do.
saying tht if he is all good, then why all evil?
well has it occured to you that he is teaching us things thru opposites?
u wont know good if u never know evil.
light will lose meaning without darkness."
100% apologetic bullshit drivel. Pure conjecture without basis.
psycotria 1 year ago
yes those of faith are risking basing their entire lives on faith, but those who don't have faith are risking a potential enternity. if you are person of faith and there is not afterlife, you lose nothing; if you are person of faith and there is an afterlife, you may gain everything. if you are not a person of faith and there is no afterlife you've not gained anything and if there is an afterlife then ur f*****.
and btw, we have a belief system that is longer than any intividuals life.
sxv32idf 2 years ago
What if yours is the wrong faith? Billions of people believe in other religions. I ask to make a point, not because your opinion is important.
theillestgreek 2 years ago 2
Also, it's important to call out logical fallacies when you see them. This is Pascal's Wager
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
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@sxv32idf "... those of faith are risking basing their entire lives on faith, but those who don't have faith are risking a potential enternity. ..."
FAIL!!! You trot out Pascal's Wager, easy to refute, as if it's new!
What if I'm wrong AND you are wrong!
psycotria 1 year ago
to proteanview :
people had to believe in the submarine beforethey made the submarine. they were led on by faith thru painstaking processes of building it, even when they were all met with impossible odds.
my point is, faith is an inherent faculty of man whithout which he is never fully realized. so by saying that faith is just senseless belief, you are depriving the human intellect of one of its basic features.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
If god thinks someone deserves to burn in Hell that`s where he sends them yeah? He sends them there because he thinks they should be punished for not believing in him yeah? (btw. what an insecure prick he must be)
So why then would Satan do what god wants and punish people? Does Satan work for god? Surely Satan would reward the people in Hell.
btw. I don`t believe in any religious bullshit. I`m just saying if.
theillestgreek 2 years ago 2
Absolutely. If two companies are trying to hire me, they're both going to offer things to get me to choose them. Saying Satan is going to punish unbelievers, when they're rejecting God like he did, seems stupid. It sounds like propaganda to dissuade people from picking Satan.
"Nah, nah, you gotta pick our guy! Sure, he'll beat you up a lot and he's an insecure prick, but the other guy will uh, roast you in flames... n stuff... yeah!"
aeroldoth 2 years ago
I can`t help thinking of the god character as a kind of Kim Il Sung in the sky. The ruler of a celestial dictatorship. Maybe Hell is like the West where people are free. lol. nah. What I really think is that all religions are bullshit. No Heaven or Hell, simple as.
theillestgreek 2 years ago
Hitler sent defier's to Auschwitz , whereas the Christian-Muslim deity sends non-believers to Hell. Since the ovens ended suffering, but Hell is supposedly eternal agony, The god of Jesus and Muhammad is infinity more sadistic and evil than Hitler. Far better to be a Nazi than a devout Christian or Muslim.
Hottides 2 years ago
Good job it`s all childish superstition yeah?
theillestgreek 2 years ago
It's childish and extremely DANGEROUS superstition is the point. Venerating tyranny and vehemently rejecting knowledge is recognized as dangerous in political ideologies, yet is exalted in religion! Millions who fled from and fought to destroy Nazism and Communism prostrate themselves before tyrants infinitely more oppressive and abominable than Hitler and Stalin! Sheer Madness!
Hottides 2 years ago
if GOD decides someones gonna burn, HE is only doing that which needs be done.
surely you dont know more than HIM, and u certainly arent a better judge of character than HIM.
see, thats why HE is called GOD.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
WTF are you on about. If you`re going to reply, at least have a go at answering the question you muppet.
theillestgreek 2 years ago
I don`t believe in HIM you idiot. Couldn`t you gather that from my comment. God, you creationists are stupid. lol
theillestgreek 2 years ago
to theillestgreek :
ahh u atheists are so hot tempered. and here i thought i was having a discussion.
your disbelief is subject to scrutiny. it isnt solidly established on any logic. maybe what u are trying to say is that u dont believe in the 'santa clause' version of god that ur mind imagines.
god is the ultimate reality. his existence is necessary for our existence and that of everything elses.
clealry, u dont have the proper concept of god.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
OK, let`s go by your version of god then( shit, there are so many it`s hard to know how to argue). First I need to know, did the snake talk? Did the virgin give birth? Did zombies walk the streets?
Is your disbelief of Garuda or Vishnu or Ram subject to the same scrutiny? What if you end up in a different god`s hell? Maybe you`ve got the wrong god. I think it`s all BS.
So anyway, my question was,"Does the devil work for your god? You`ve still not even tried.
theillestgreek 2 years ago 2
like i said. you dont know wht the word GOD means.
"Maybe you`ve got the wrong god. I think it`s all BS. "
this proves it again.
if GOD wanted, u could have a horse jump out of ur ass everytime u sneezed or lied or whatever.
the devil works for god cuz hes also the save of god.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Listen. If you asked me a question I`d do my best to answer it. You won`t even try. You keep talking about god like I believe in it. If all you can do is keep spouting shit with no evidence to back it up don`t bother.
I quote you, "the devil works for god cuz hes also the save of god."
Read that again and tell me WTF you`re on about. And where`s your evidence? Are you really that brainwashed?
theillestgreek 2 years ago
theillestgreek :
yeah my brains washed. washed of all the filth and confusion.
i was only trying to show logically how our empirical senses will fail to grasp the ULTIMATE REALITY.
because ultimate reality is infinite, and we are finite.
so why does this jackoff tlk about religion and god like they its a simple thing?
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Funny, your brain seems very confused to me.
If you think you can only fail at grasping reality that`s quite sad. Let me try to help you poor thing. Just clear your mind of religion for an hour. Have a look around. There it is look. REALITY.
theillestgreek 2 years ago
to theillestgreek :
someone with little knowledge often finds complex things confusing. i dont blame you for that.
i appreciate your help, but mind if i ask what makes u so sure youre right ?
kingspider1000 2 years ago
I`m not 100% sure that I am right. Your version of Christianity may be right. Or maybe one of the hundreds of other versions. Could be that one of the versions of Islam, or Hinduism( etc, etc etc) is spot on.
You`d probably agree that most religions are BS, even though their followers are as devout as you are to yours. I just put your religion on a par with them all. Unless you have evidence ofcourse.
Q. Do you think other religions are silly?
theillestgreek 2 years ago
Disbelief is only subject to scrutiny when evidence to the contrary exists, if it does not, then the burden of proof falls on the believer. The idea of a God who is a life-giving, creating, unknowable force makes him fairly ambiguous, and you essentially just insert him as a higher level of reality that is not readily perceivable, so why would he give humans logic, and then expect them to ignore it in reguard to his existence, something that he deems intrinsic to their eternal happiness?
sidneyx2 2 years ago
to sidneyx :
maybe you need to understand what logic is.
basic logic states that we know nothing to pass a verdict on something. you cannot use your finite logic to understand infinite truth.
this is the mother of logic, and i do believe HE imbued us with it.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
to sidneyx :
belief in god means to transcend ones bounds of thinking. it means to accept the singular ultimate reality in which we inevitably are.
it is logical to believe that this singulae ultimate reality at the end of it all, is responsible for everything.
so this essentially means that u (a temporary condition in the ultimate reality ) cannot understand this reality empirically or subjectively.
am i clear?
kingspider1000 2 years ago
to sidneyx :
and as for evidence, theres order in everything and it gets more complex as you go deeper.
this is the signature left by the CREATOR for us to see.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Order is in the eyes of the beholder, there is a kind of order in the world, but that order actually dissolves into chaos when you get to the quantum level. Secondly, order exists because our senses impose it, if we percieved the universe in the way it really is, we wouldn't be able to survive. Thirdly, if the highest truth is simply to accept something BECAUSE you can't perceive it, then you have to accept that everything exists, discarding religious doctrine entirely.
sidneyx2 2 years ago
i think u said it the other way round. quantum physics and chaos theory says chaos is nothing but an higher form of order.
accpeting that everything exixts only paves a way for religion. cuzu gotta believe in god. and we know god can make anyhitng possible.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
An omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omniscient god cannot exist with all the evil and suffering in the world.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
ur statement shows u have no concept of an omnipotent REALITY.
so if he is omnipotent, it must mean HE can create things unimaginable or seemingly out of place (for you).
which he did.
this is what it means to have omnipotent power and authority.
we muslims believe good and evil both come from ALLAH.
this only shows HIS power, and is testament of it.
ur concept of god is limited. if u have one that is.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Why would you worship something that produces evil?
Not only that, but if he is omniscient, then he must have known that the world would be like this. That leads to the conclusion that he wants it like this; Therefore, he must want all the suffering in the world. A god that wants suffering isn't a god, but a tyrant. He doesn't just let evil persist, he created and planned for it. Your god is an ass.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
to Thatonedude917 :
ur the ass. and ill even explain it to you.
lol.
so ur saying ud rather worship god if he was incapable of creating evil? incapability means he would be limited.
that would mean he isnt god. if he isnt god he cant be worshipped.
we worship GOD who is able to do all. and good and evil both have their purposes set by HIM.
HE created evil to test u. but i remmeber HIM telling u to do good. details.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
I don't care if he is limited, a god that could do no evil would be FAR superior to one that could.
"HE created evil to test u"
But he knows everything, so he knows the results without even having to perform a test. Also, creating evil just to test people is cruel. Again, your god is an ass.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
seems like ur busy worshipping ur own preferences. what u r doing is trying to custom tailor god according to your mindset.
needless to say, in ur concept,god isnt god at all.
god is worshipped because he is transcendent. all-beyond.
that is something ur mind cannot grasp. that is worthy of worship.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
This is where we'll simply have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to worship something based solely on whether it is "transcendent" or not. No, for something to be worthy of my worship, it would have to be benevolent, caring, and forgiving. But I'm picky like that.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
and that is where ill have to point out to you once again, one cannot worship something limited. it goes against the idea of worship. if ur thinking of having a mascot to represent ur mentality, thats diff thing.
god isnt a mascot.
and maybe ur too impatient, but god is known as the all merciful and all compassionate.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
the idea of worship is that u become absorbed in the ULTIMATE INFINITE REALITY.
what ur talking abt is infinitely far from it .
peace.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Actually, you can worship anything. People worshiped the sun for years.
"god is known as the all merciful and all compassionate"
That's not what the holy books say. They say he's jealous, vengeful, angry, and that he tortures people that wrong him for eternity. I couldn't worship such a monster.
I haven't seen any evidence for any deities, ever; I don't think you're absorbed in any "ultimate reality." Also, you can't just make up your own definition of worship.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
wrong again.
in the past ppl worshipped those things believing they would give them access to god. they lost the concept of the supreme god being personal.
if u look carefully, they really didnt worship those, but appeased those. big difference.
they did it believing god almighty would hear them.
anthropology.
true for ancient africa, egypt, europe asia and wherever.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Worship [/ˈwɜrʃɪp/ [wur-ship]-reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to ~any~ object regarded as sacred.
Again, you can't make up your own definition of worship just because you don't want to be compared to other religions.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
i didnt. i only said worship is reserved for the perfect being.
that being GOD.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
holy books dont say god is loving?
read the quran, or the old testament. before u speak like a retard.
god says he is the oft forgiving and all merciful. in islam we belive ALLAH (god almighty) forgives anyone who repents. anyone. words in the quran.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
You're right, it does say that. It also says that he mercilessly kills babies, children, commits genocide himself, orders his followers to commit genocide, orders the rape of enemy women, gives rules on how to enslave your neighbors, and numerous other horrible things that a good god wouldn't do.
And let's not forget the worst one of all: That he'll torture you FOREVER if you so much as doubt his existence. What a great guy.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
if you came from him and ur smart, it must mean HE is smarter. meaning, HE knows who deserves what and what goes where.
if HE decided some ppl got it up the butt, its really HIS judgement. HE knows best.
HE knows them better than u since HE is the SOURCE all came out of.
often we need common sense, not scriptural anecdote.
that is why ALLAH praises ppl with common sense in the quran.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
If he came from desert-dwelling men some 1400 years ago, it must mean I am smarter. And it appears this is the case. Why would he create something that deserves to be punished? It would be the equivalent of giving birth to a child that you know is going to be a murderer, raising him to be a murderer, and then spending eternity punishing him for being what you planned him to be. To quote Matt Dillahunty, it's absurd; It's laughably absurd.
Common sense is indeed a virtue.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
Thatonedude917 :
god does not do things based on ur limited understanding. u may not see a purpose, but he does.
id say the scales weigh down on his side since he is the source of all.
surely he knows better than u.
to quote socrates : wisest is he who knows he does not know.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
So basically your argument boils down to "God works in mysterious ways."
That tells me that it doesn't make sense to you either. Right now you try not to think about it too much (I did the same when I was religious). Maybe one day you'll realize that it doesn't make sense because it was thought up my men thousands of years ago.
Or you'll ignore your doubts and continue to follow blindly.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
all i know is what my basic logic shows me : the SOURCE is infinitely superior to whatever comes from it.
so it would be wrong to imagine that this ULTIMATE REALITY is infinitely wiser than i am , not to mention HE gave it to me in the first place.
what is stupid is using finite thining to grasp this INFINITE TRUTH.
and i know u know it too.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
"what is stupid is using finite thining to grasp this INFINITE TRUTH"
If this is true, all religions are pointless. You can't believe your own statement, because that sentence is the equivalent of admitting defeat. As a human, you CANNOT use anything but finite thinking. That means that you CANNOT grasp the infinite truth.
I, on the other hand, look at your religion from the outside, knowing that it was made by men that weren't any smarter than me. That allows me to criticize quite well.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
good reasoning finally. but aahh u missed a point tho. god is all powerful. so it must mean he reserves for himself the ability to communicate with us . am i right?
hence the scriuptures.
and as humans, we may not know infinite absolute ultimate reality as in figure it out, but we do know its there.
hence the saying, all ppl feel god whether religious or not.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
Ignoring, for the moment, the fact that there is NO evidence that any deity has inspired any holy book ever; Why would your god trust in a book to get his message out? A book that can be interpreted many ways. A book that can be modified by men who want to control people. A book that happens to be a mixture of pagan religions of the area.
I don't feel god, or else I would believe in him/her/it.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
ur assumptions are idiotic. sadly.
ALLAH challenges anyone to find fault with his word, the quran. or produce something like it.
so produce something like it , then talk.
and the message is clear and not open to various interpretations. the corruption is entirely weighing on the shou;lders of ur 'glorious' human race. not god.
if u cant understand a holy book, its cuz u entrusted corrupt priest with the book.
islam has no priesthood.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
There are lots of holy book just like the quran, and they've all got faults (just like the quran). I haven't made any assumptions to get to my position, you have.
You say there are no misinterpretations, that means that all the Islamic extremists have it right. That means that your religion is violent and dangerous, and your god supports it. One more reason your god is an ass.
Then again, it's not god's word anyway, and I challenge you to prove that it is.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
i think ur moving too fast. u really havent absorbed the concept of god properly. how does religion concern u now?
first thing first.
looool as for proof, the al quran is the proof. it requires to be read. youre the reader. so read. ull know.
get ur concept of god staright, then ull see the purpose in religion.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
The quran isn't proof of your god. How can you think that it is? Oh right, circular logic
Quran written by god so it must be true. How do we know it's written by god? It says so. Why do we believe it? It's written by god.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
oh really? and why does ALLAH tell us not to exceed bounds in matters of religion in the quran ??
if the fundamentals of the faith were concerned, clealry one can see theres no room for extremism as ALLAH forbids it in there.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
You say that the Quran can't be misinterpreted, now you say the fundamentalists have misinterpreted it. You say that our finite minds cannot grasp god, yet somehow a book makes our minds not finite. You worship a being who will torture you infinitely for finite crimes. If you don't see the folly in your logic, there's really nothing I can do to show you.
The funny thing is: if there was a good argument for god, you could convince me. Never seen one, though.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
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whaaaat?? slow down there skippy lol.
i said religios books bcome ruined after priests change the words as is true for torah and bible. quran is diff.
i said u cannot view god like u see a damn whale. cuz he is beyond ur limited sight. but that dosent mean one cannot bcome aware of god.
im aware of a presence which i may not neccessarily grasp.
my logic is basic. its shocking that u dont see it.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
"the message is clear and not open to various interpretations"
That's you that said that about the Quran. I'm just saying that, if you believe that, extremists must have it right.
Also, you're correct when you say that religious books are altered by people over the centuries. However, it would be incredibly naive to assume that your book hadn't been modified. Which is why an all-knowing god wouldn't use something like a book.
You can't be serious, I'm starting to think I'm being trolled
Thatonedude917 2 years ago 4
It couldn't have been altered because it was revised by many loyal companions and thats why we prey 5 times a day so we never forget what each verse is saying.
Unity4allhumans 2 years ago
So revision makes it impossible to change? How does that make sense?
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
SORRY I meant memmorised it.
Unity4allhumans 2 years ago
That's not any better. Assuming they all have photographic memories, they would have to constantly look over it to see if anyone has changed it over the years. That means they would have to live FOREVER. Obviously they're dead.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
Ofcourse its better because many many thousands of people memmorised the Quran till today many many muslims memmorise it. My kids are all below 5 and have memmorised 3 surat from the Holy Quran. And i live in a western country.
Unity4allhumans 2 years ago
Many people have memorized the Bible, yet it still has been altered. I seriously don't see how you can think your book is immune.
And I feel sorry for your children. Do you have to start indoctrinating them from such a young age, or is it personal preference?
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
christians have memmorised the bible? Which version?
Unity4allhumans 2 years ago
Usually King James Version; That seems to be the favorite among Bible-thumping fundies. But there are so many versions, it's ridiculous.
Even if your book is 100% unaltered, that says nothing about how true it is.
Thatonedude917 2 years ago
disgusting.
david21085 2 years ago
@Unity4allhumans: You're fucking pathetic, forcing religion upon your children. You probably make them believe through fear, don't you? Assholes like you don't belong in this world.
vinnyMcDougal 2 years ago 12
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@vinnyMcDougal I give my children something to fall upon when life seems hopeless. When my life was in the drains my religion lifted me out of the dark hole.
You can teach ur children something came from nothing thats your right. But how dare u tell me what i can and can not teach my children as i see fit.
Unity4allhumans 2 years ago
@Unity4allhumans: By doing that you're giving them a false sense of hope though. Can't you just be true and tell your children that no one knows and it will always be that way? Also, you're damn I'll tell you what not to teach your kids, because them having your genetic material doesn't make them your slave. It's fine to educate them about religion, and then let them choose later. But I have strong feeling that's not what you're doing.
vinnyMcDougal 2 years ago 2
@vinnyMcDougal How can a person go through there hole life without wondering why they are here and how they got here. How did Earth get here? How did the Sun get at the perfect distance from Earth to heat it? How come everything is placed perfectly for the Earth to have day and night? Creation is the ONLY answer. If gravity formed all this from gases ect, there are to many questions unanswered. Humans, the flesh. We got mouths to eat, an ass to shit, eyes to see. WE WERE CREATED. By Jesus <3.
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 1 year ago
@Kr0n1k4Lyfe, It is called science. All the questions have been answered by science.
sgtjoebear 1 year ago
@Unity4allhumans: damn right*
vinnyMcDougal 2 years ago
Yeah, im really greatfull my parents didnt force Christianity upon me. and now that i work in a kiddnygaurden ( or how you spell it xD ) im onna tell all the chilldrens to never litsen to that bullshit.. ( religion )
JollSSteR 1 year ago
@JollSSteR "kindergarten"
ZeHoSmusician 1 year ago
@vinnyMcDougal you're fucking pathetic,forcing your atheistic religion upon your children.You probably make them believe through stupidity ,and ignorance, Don't you? Assholes like you don't belong in this world.......Shut the fuck up you faggot pussy
MrMinestein 1 year ago
@MrMinestein: LOL. Typical person that makes all believers look like idiots. Actually, if i had kids, I would let them decide what they wanted to believe. I wouldn't be an arrogant fuck who assumes that I'm right and they have to believe what I do. As for the faggot pussy part, I'm straight and I train in mma, so that statment kind of loses.
vinnyMcDougal 1 year ago
thats what im starting to think. Just because extremists are unpleasant, does that instantly make them wrong? I find it hard to believe that a religion(islam) founded in saudi arabia in 600ad somehow managed to make itself fit in with the laws of the united kingdom 1400 years later, now thats pretty insightful!
trigga1uk 2 years ago
by absorbed i meant understand that only god truly exists. everyting else is conditional and temporary.
if everyting comes from this ultimate singular reality, who is infinite, how can u being finite view HIM?
something finite cannot grasp the infinite.
kingspider1000 2 years ago
If u seek enlightment to your earliest questions- read apostle Paul- he actually explains clearly what faith IS :-)
The answer to your last question: I HAVE Quantum Continuity (or rather I am a part of one). That includes (of course) my ancestors that lived before me and my descendants that will live after me.
Answer to the intermediate Q: I have so many things I do well - not sure which I would be most happy with - and only ONE life to live - Which must I choose? I am an agnostic :-))
Peace!
dharmanova 2 years ago
Without doubt, one of the factors in the emergence of anti-religious ideas and a phalanx of deniers of God, has been the false teachings, the inadequacies and the intellectual perversions of the followers of some religions. The peculiarities and separate characteristics of each religion must, therefore, be individually examined when studying the reasons that have led men to adhere to that religion.
1tabligh 2 years ago
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The brainwashed atheists want to see God in a laboratory?
The sciences cannot carry out a laboratory experiment on the existence of God and then reach the verdict that if a thing is not physically observable and it cannot be established by means of laboratory experiment and mathematical calculation, it, therefore, has no reality.
1tabligh 2 years ago
Bravo - well said!!!
OswaldvonWolkenstein 2 years ago
this guy is a 6'1 pervert.
lonepantherAK 2 years ago
i agree with you, brother.
zulfitareen 2 years ago
Sorry I take it back. Everyone has their opinion, I understand what u're sayin doe
Bonitamulata123 2 years ago
great view, A true view of the stupidity of blind faith
john5o 2 years ago
why do you care if people believe in God or not?
We aren't hurting you.
It's not a waste of life. I'm a Christian and I am sooo incredibly happy with the life I live.
So let me pose a question for you:
If there isn't a heaven and God, what do I have to lose? I've lived a great life and I couldn't be happier about it, and once im dead, im dead and it won't matter.
But what if He is real, which he is. Looks like your going to be the one with the major problems. Because with heaven comes hell
thekatijane 2 years ago
Let me explain it to you thekatijane... The "better off believing just in case" argument you are posing is better known as Pascal's Wager. Which immediately makes your point invalid. If Christians are only moral because they fear hellfire and not because of what is right, then they are a sorry lot indeed.
Nanolithic 2 years ago
I dont believe because i am feaful.
I believe because i have witnessed and experienced things that can only be God.
I have felt his presence. You don't need to explain anything to me. I'm not afraid of hell, because I have Jesus Christ in my heart as my Lord and Savior.
But I am heart broken you, because clearly you do not.
thekatijane 2 years ago
What you call "witness," I would most likely call delusion. Do not be heart broken for me. I live a fulfilling, moral and happy life that is free from the burden of so-called "sin." I am heart broken for you, wasting the only life you will ever have on the lies and empty promises of a lousy book. "And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence." - Bertrand Russell
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liloz94 2 years ago
Atheists don't require faith -- the atheist position is that it's possible that there's a god, but since there's no good evidence for it they reject the specific or general claim that a god exists. This is different from the anti-theist stance that "there is no god". All anti-theists are atheists, but not all atheists are anti-theists. And you don't KNOW that god has a place for you, you have faith in it without proof -- you just said so yourself in the first half of your comment.
iggolfrits 2 years ago
If you think "it's possible that there's a god" then you are not atheist, then you are agnostic.
LilFaerl 2 years ago
No. Atheism goes to belief; I don't believe there is a god, but I don't go so far as to say "I believe that there are no gods" (ANTItheism). Agnosticism goes to knowledge; I know there is/I know there isn't are gnostic positions; I don't know is agnostic.
I believe there is money in my bank account, but I don't KNOW it, someone may have stolen my banking info. I don't believe that anyone HAS stolen my info, but I won't believe that no one has stolen it until I check my balance -- get it?
iggolfrits 2 years ago
I agree! Faith is just belief without proof! And since you have no proof of your god...I do not believe! Just read the reply you posted. You said "no person actually KNOWS." But just a few lines later you say "I'm happy because I KNOW god has a place reserved for me in heaven." Forgive me for saying that you appear to be a bit irrational. I'm happy because there is no reason to believe in an afterlife. When I die, that's it. It's over, which makes the life I have worth so much more.
Nanolithic 2 years ago
well what makes you happy and me happy are to different things and tbh i dont care
liloz94 2 years ago
Yes some are!
So you are saying that your god would put me in hell because he hasn't shown himself to me. That sounds like one stupid fucker!!!
LilFaerl 2 years ago
ill tell you who sounds, stupid, angry, unjust, contradictory and imbalanced...you
unbiased000 2 years ago
What would you think of my god, if he would send you to hell for not believing in him, when you don't even know who he is.
Man your intelligens suck!
Did you get all frustrated and angry, when i said your god was a stupid fucker. Was that why you stopped thinking.
This is you: ll tell you who sounds... stupid! you, you do! BooHoo
LilFaerl 2 years ago
at least i know how to spell intelligence...
lol, yes you do sound stupid, and angry. i bet the two are related
now fuckk of jerky
unbiased000 2 years ago
ll tell you who sounds... stupid! you, you do! BooHoo
LilFaerl 2 years ago
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lol
Is god a bastard? Read this and make up your own mind - godisabastard[dot]blogspot[dot]com
will8ace 2 years ago
now obviously this type of knowlege cant be given by you to another person. you can tell them about it..but hey have to believe yuo or not. it isnt knolwegd for them ad you cant make it knolwedge for them. only god can. and so only each person has to do it for himself to get it...or not, its all our choices.
as far as the bible, why do you think people search for its primordial form?
as far as saying you sacrifice things for the afterlife...completly wrong in my view. heaven/hell is here too
unbiased000 2 years ago
your much more decent of a person then pat condell
here is an answer for you
faith is an assumption that you dont know, but it is also something that can be obtained from using the knowing sense connected to our inuitive minds. and experience of god. experience of what your entire fiber of being says is god...is a kind of knowing.
faith for some is obtained by many things in the bible seeing as true so significantly that you ask god to reveal himself and it happens.
unbiased000 2 years ago
has god ever revealed himself to you? if so then isn't that unfair? many people have asked god to reveal himself and have found nothing. people often justify this by saying 'god requires you to believe on faith alone'. if god has revealed himself to you then that is not the case for you anymore. is that just? is that something that a god would do? and why did he choose to reveal himself to you and not so many others? what sets you apart?
octobergrey1985 2 years ago
i cant speak on what is fair in a completely holistic view, neither can any man woman or child.
only god can
but i will tell you this, genuinity in asking seems to be very important. you cant really speak for anothers expoerience with this process , only your own. so i wouldnt worry about it or try to intellectualize and theorize on things we just cant know. you have to be that person. but you are you, so think about it from your position
unbiased000 2 years ago
by not answering anything you have told me everything i need to know about you. thankyou
octobergrey1985 2 years ago
i did answer
the answer in very simple language is i dont know and neother do you
unbiased000 2 years ago
Do you know why i don't believe in god?
Because that is how s/he created me!
If that makes hime mad, I don't want anything to do with him!
LilFaerl 2 years ago
you see man is a twofold being; matter and spirit.
in the mind this is divided like intuitive and cognitive minds.
scientific observances is how the cognitive mind recognizes reality. it understands the process but it doesnt KNOW
the intuitive mind just KNOWS but it cant observe or explain
the trick is to get them to agree and that will give you the will to ask god in a genuine way to reveal himself to you. thats one of my ideas. it may be wrong or right.
unbiased000 2 years ago
if you want my guess, id say god understands fair better then any man. saying god requires faith alone...id say that he understands the dilemna of material and spirit, of cognitive and intuitive minds and mans struggle to resolve the two forces. id say that negative emotions only help to hurt your chances of anything productive or and true understandings. id say that maybe you fail before you try cuz you doubt instead of truly want to know. id say you know best and you just have to be honest
unbiased000 2 years ago
nope
LilFaerl 2 years ago
I always figured folks believed because they are acting in their own selfish interest. They believe they get something for it, or are being saved from hell....to answer your question. I have nothing after my life has ended.
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
Well eduacated man-he gets it-learn from it-its how it is-
bp726 2 years ago
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the main problem with your position is that you falsely assert what the Bible actually states or teaches and you engage in superficial, semantic distortions. What is clear is that you have not studied the Bible to any degree. The LOVING God of the Bible does not CAUSE innocent children to die. God is also HOLY, HOLY, HOLY & you do not understand literary or philosophical devices & concepts- you are delusional
shieldsff 2 years ago
Oh darling those kitchen cabinets have to go or i do,i mean!
Rockster969 2 years ago
I like them =P. Looks quite English.
Jtherva 2 years ago
in binary 1+1 = 10 :P not 11
Let's say you are preparing for a camping trip. And you need to take 3 weeks worth of food. So you get the 1st week's food and the 3rd week's food because you beleive that 1+1=3. And then you starve to death. Very clever. To teach your children something that is inherantly obviously wrong. We have been able to live + evolve for millions of years because the way we acted based on our perception of reality was consistent with the nature of the universe.
LeiMagnus 2 years ago
Does anyone else think this guy looks like Lakers forward trevor Ariza? how about you yourself do you think you loook like him?
tghetto5 2 years ago
The word faith used in the Bible means more of an assurance or a conviction. It is not blind, for if it were then I would not die for it or build my life around it.
P.S Nice channel!
Vanmeter815 2 years ago
let's ignore the fact that 1+1 has been mathmatically proven to be 2. Even if it hadn't, believing that 1+1=2 is functional. If we belived that 1+1=3 and based all mathematical calculations on this assumption, do YOU think we would have all the scientific advancements of today? I don't.
LeiMagnus 2 years ago
"mathmatically proven"?????
It's a definition. Nothing is "proven". What kind of nonsense are you going on about?
melreynolds61 2 years ago
Do not confuse Proof with Knowledge. We can't know that what we see is true because of the potential error in our sensory data. But this doesn't matter. It's very apathetic to say that we can't know anything so let's not look. So we don't say that and we do look. Proof on the other hand requires assumptions. The one assumption in this case is that addition can be aplied to all natural numbers. But as I said earlier, only the functionality of the belief is important, not its intrinsic correctness
LeiMagnus 2 years ago
What are you rambling on about? 1+1=2 has nothing to do with sensory data, not looking, the difference between proof and knowledge or any other part of your ramblings. 1+1=2 is a convention humans use. If your convention was that the symbol 3 was used to represented two (one more than one) then all of the math would still work. Just as §+%=# would still work if the symbols were defined accordingly. Your statement "the fact that 1+1 has been mathmatically proven to be 2" is utter non-sense.
melreynolds61 2 years ago
this guys a poor wanna be of the original "curse of faith" guy..lol however they'll BOTH get the "proof" they so eargrly demand..SEE: "Marry K Baxter on Heaven and Hell Part 2"
deylite 2 years ago
what is longer that lifes, huh? Good question, how about ETERNITY duh??
JSAM700 2 years ago
The question wasn't "what Is longer than life?". We all know that the length of the life of a star is longer than that of a human being. The problem is assuming that one can surpass that life-time; that we can live as long or longer than stars can. The question was "what do you HAVE that's longer than life?".
What do you know about your life here on earth that gives you the belief that you will live forever?
LeiMagnus 2 years ago
Then don't assume the lenghth of smthing u cannot measure but instead look for instruments that can do it for u without engaging in melancholic rhethorics.
JSAM700 2 years ago
and the instrument that can measure eternal life is.....?
LeiMagnus 2 years ago
it differs for everyone but it in general it is good ethics. People will always judge u according to how carry yourself and how u treat others.
JSAM700 2 years ago
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SHUT UP BLACK MAN
Tedaus18 2 years ago
what ever you say friend,your right im arrogant.
framton10000 2 years ago
that true, faith is not knowing.well then....call it a feeling then.A feeling that you can't explain but you can't change it or stop it.
framton10000 2 years ago
hey, how about those red herrings?
faith is a feeling of not knowing anything about something but a true conviction that you can't stop it?
that's called fatalism and solipsism.
not knowing something is not knowing it. infact, religious faith not only deals with things that are not known, but also are by definition unknowable.
so, your comment makes no sense at all.
franzpolak 2 years ago
opinions vary.
framton10000 2 years ago
oh, the solipsist withdraws.
OPINIONS VARY?
this is the best you can do? an infantile cry for acknowledgment and respect? respect, my good sir, is not your right and is not yours to take advantage of. your pitiful and utterly ignorant reply is a showcase to your gastly, immoral proposition. your reply is equivalent to putting earmuffs on and dancing about singing: i've won!
so arrogant. so pitiful.
opinions vary. yes, they do. but most ot them are complete mumbo-jumbo as yours is.
franzpolak 2 years ago