@peace6173 Well you completly missed the point of my post obviously. I speak English (The other official language) and French. Point being noone understands him when he speaks English. It's called a joke. It's funny that Harpers French is 10x better than Dion's English.
@324wilson Jean Chretien prorogued parliament 5+ times, so did mulroney, so did trudeau, so let's stop talking about abuses of power by harper before we cover every single PM since MacDonald first.
@Cnd1867 Oh, absolutely! But in my credulity I thought that Harper would be a different sort of Prime Minister as he promised in 2006. Nevertheless, I do support him - for now - and I do think that the first prorogation was correct thing to do.
@TheCORE87 it doesnt change the fact you canadians are still a constitutional monarchy with a parliament that follows the westminster system. just like australia and the rest of the monarchist realms within the commonwealth.
Exactly, the only form of "proper democracy" I see in this system is being able to vote (but that is only a very small part of a democratic system).
Just like the Aussies and other monarchies, we must still have to bow are heads to the royal familly in London even when we are our own country and not part of Britain anymore...
We should have to CHOOSE which system WE want, not have to inherit the UK's leftover system:/
@TheCORE87 you're not only one who may say that, australians and new zealanders state the same thing as what you've stated. but the truth is monarchist systems are just better at governing a country than republics. I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm saying it's better because it has always made politics secured, plus it is the oldest form of governance. but I dont think we can help the fact that our heritage comes from britain because that's just a part of our heritage.
@liverpoolmatt87 as a Brit you do have a very biased opinion of the Monarchy, I'd strongly advise you against speaking like you represent the majority because you don't
@irishgodfatherchris ok for starters mate, I am not speaking for nor am I representing any majorities here. secondly I'm stating facts here mate, so I dont see how I was being biased. if you think that I was being biased about the monarchy well then that's your misinterpretation but clearly I wasn't. So I strongly advise you not to make inferences because clearly you do.
@TheCORE87 plus it makes diplomacy between each commonwealth that shares the same head of state (E.R II) a lot flexible. you'll be suprised of how australia offered a helping hand to new zealand for their earthquake disaster seeing that nz is also a monarchist nation with the same figurehead.
what the fuck is this gong show in the parliament. Stop this bullshit and get to work you dumb fucks. Dont know what to do about the economy? consult an economist. Dont know whats to do about crime? consult a sociologist. Stop fucking around, NO CANADIAN cares about parliamentary drama.... we want you all to go to work like the rest of us do every single day. Stop making idiots of yourselves and do some fucking work.
Liberals need to learn that government is an honour not a birthright. I personally don't want Iggy to go; as long as he is their leader, the Conservatives will be in government.
@mikefastener no if anything it shows how xenophobic you are (even though I'm Australian and can't vote in Canadian elections I do know whats going on) Ignatieff is Canadian of Russian ancestry (his background should never enter into the equation anyway) and as much as I (If I was Canadian) would not vote Liberal I'd vote NDP that was completely uncalled for.
@irishgodfatherchris Sorry, my silly friend; but, you are wrong! "his background should never enter into..."-then why does he bring it up! You see, when Iffy raises the issue himself, it become fair game--agreed?
Voting NDP in Canada means voting for Taliban Jack--Canadians are smarter than that!
@mikefastener I presume thats a pathetic attempt to vilify Mr. Layton for his anti-war stance which most people around the world have its not just them, regarding the leader of the opposition fair enough.
@irishgodfatherchris Very sadly, Mr. Layton demonstrated shameful attitudes towards Canadian troops; hence, the term, "Taliban Jack". Google it and you will see how common it has become in referring to this socialist clown. (An embarrassment to all Canadians.)
@mikefastener I've met the Taliban these people are mainly (keyword) impoverished farmers who have turned to the Taliban because the Conservative government has turned their back on them, as most socialist governments around the world have realised you cannot fight the Taliban by shooting at them that only strengthens their resolve, rather combat the Taliban by combating the source of the problem ie. poverty.
@mikefastener it exactly how The UK has got the IRA to lay down arms and a lot more people have died in the conflict there that on September the 11th.
@mikefastener the taliban is not an organised army like say Germany was in 1939 they're guerilla fighters who won't give up no matter how many of them you kill, its the old you kill one and two take his place
@mikefastener He's got a point. If the campaign against them was humanitarian instead of militaristic, they'd question what they've been told by their leaders. The taliban recruits young people who are poor, and haven't heard anything about the west other than how we kill them. Building a few schools and hospitals would go a lot farther than a war.
Remember, terrorism is a tactic, and you can't win a war against a tactic.
@ThePsychoReturns How is the American Iraq war going where the US has pumped billions of dollars into schools and hospitals and many Americans are still dying there?
"you can't win a war against a tactic"--a very comforting thought to a father holding his dying son, shot by a terrorist.
@mikefastener America already pissed in the whiskey by attacking Iraq to begin with. Schools and hospitals won't amount to anything when you're bombing the country at the same time. They're fighting people who don't want them there no matter how many schools they renovate.
People won't turn to terrorism if they're shown that what they've been told about their enemy is wrong.
@mikefastener I don't give a shit how much more likely he is to be right. A statement isn't correct just because a smart person makes it. Newton's genius didn't prevent him from believing in the philosopher's stone. Ptolemy's genius didn't prevent him from taking astrology seriously.
You're arguing from authority. A basic logical fallacy.
@ThePsychoReturns Going in circles my silly friend (a typical left-wing trait).
We (you) have at least agreed that Swift is more likely to be correct than you.
Something that was really established 5 posts ago (but, you finally admitted it).
BTW--I know that even the so-called experts can be wrong--look at the crackpot scientists pushing the man-made global warming agenda telling us to give them billions of dollars for grants.
@ThePsychoReturns So glad I got you to admit to something you really didn't want to. (That Mr. Swift certainly had a greater likelihood of being right than you and that is where we should place our confidence--thank you.)
A little confused on your "evidence" comment! Ever since the CRU scandal, public support for man-made global warming has fallen as we can see the corruption of the scientists to hide the facts.
I know I made you look foolish here; however, the truth is more important.
@mikefastener Admit to what? It's not like I was keeping it a secret. You still haven't been able to address my point.
The only scandal there was the dishonest reporting of it by uneducated bloggers and pundits. There was no corruption. Several independent investigations found no evidence of any wrongdoing. The integrity of CRU remains intact.
You've made yourself look foolish. Nobody else. The truth is more important, but your statements suggest that you believe otherwise.
@ThePsychoReturns How sad! It took, what, 8 postings for you to finally agree that Mr. Swift has more credibility than you. (Get over your ego!)
Now we talk about a tragic demonstration of crackpots gone wild where left wing weirdos investigated themselves. (And, surprisingly, found their colleagues innocent--what a crock!)
Oh well, we can both agree that the man-made global warming craziness is now over and the public realizes what was truly going on.
@mikefastener 8 posts and you still haven't realized that your argument fails on account of a basic logical fallacy.
These were independent investigations, idiot. Discovering a conspiracy would have been a good thing for them. The fact that they didn't find one says a lot.
I'm not as stupid as you, so no. Anthropogenic climate change continues to be a real problem regardless of how bad you are at research, or how little respect you give to scientific organizations.
@ThePsychoReturns Independent investigations my foolish friend where held by colleagues anxious to find this scandal "wasn't a big deal". (An honest conclusion would have jeopardized the investigators’ lovely generous funding.)
My little grasshopper, grow up and see the world as it is!
BTW--I guess all those scientists that disagree with man-made global warming don't count.
Your foolishness scares me. I am sad that my intelligent vote only counts the same as your sheepish vote.
@mikefastener They wanted to uncover a scandal. That's the kind of thing these investigators live for. Funding is gained by people who get results, and false results don't cut it.
I know there are respected scientists who are skeptical about anthropogenic climate change. But equally respected scientists have found problems with their conclusions.
You have no business complaining about foolishness. You are a typical idiot who has deluded himself into thinking he's smart.
@ThePsychoReturns "equally respected scientists"...but you missed, "scientists who are getting huge grants to propagate the falsehood of man-make global warming". Interesting that I look at honest scientists who were shouted down and disgraced by the shameful CRU clowns (we would hardly call them scientists) and you get angry at me!
Oh, Grasshopper, I only wish I could see the world with your wide-eyes and naivety.
@mikefastener Folks, please no more e-mails to me laughing at Psycho! Psycho could not answer a simple question on the hypocrisy of man-made global warming. I believe we should all safely assume a win for reason here.
Thanks for your support and I will go on stopping the silly global warming wingnuts.
@mikefastener Why? I would love to convince myself that global warming isn't a concern. I don't want thousands of people to die in the future due to droughts, fires, floods storms, ect. However I go where the scientific facts lead. Even if global warming isn't happening, (which I hope is the case) we should find alternative resources to fuel our vehicles. Oil is getting expensive, it won't last forever, and its not good for us and the enviroment.
@mikefastener Climate change skepticism? What's next from you! I should really set you straight - at the present it does not matter whether climate change is real or not, we have to decide whether to act on it or not. The way we go about making that decision is by risk management. Let's make a chart with 2 rows and 2 columns; row one being "GCC is true" and the other being "GCC is false", column A being "action" and B being "inaction".
@mikefastener Now we work out the risks: With column A (action) paired with row one (GCC true) we're all happy, having avoided the biggest disaster in the history of our species. Pairing column A with row 2 (GCC false) means we made some unnecessary changes to our lifestyle and spent some money, maybe reducing our GDP growth a little.
@mikefastener That's column A. Now to column B (inaction). We'll start by pairing this column with row 2. We didn't take action and we didn't need to, therefore skeptics are happy and "warmers" are relieved. Pairing column B with row one, however, is a different story altogether. We didn't take action, but we should have. This results in economic, social, political, environmental and public health disasters to name a few.
@mikefastener This would result in the end of life as we know it. Entire ecosystems would die, the prairies would turn to dustbowls, weather would be unpredictable and violent, disease would run rampant, the economy would fail catastrophically and the government would go Big Brother on us. Since i'm not a sadist/masochist this scenario doesn't particularly appeal to me, to say the least. I don't know about you.
@mikefastener Granted, I'm trying to be as pessimistic and dogmatic as possible with my predictions for worst-case scenarios so the results may or may not play out to the full extent to which I outlined them, but we still need to put the situation in perspective.
So the question remains, given the uncertainties of climate change, do you want to risk an unnecessary (and possibly uncomfortable) change, or a pseudo-apocalypse? Think about it and get back to me when you're done.
@gricer1326 Given the great cost and great uncertainty.....we should take the risk!
BTW....we can construct those Type 1 / Type 2 tables for anything...asteroids hitting the earth, diseases destroying mankind, or the worst scenario.....Jack Laydown becoming Prime Minister.
Let us not spend billions on wacko concepts!
(Thought you'd like the Jack Laydown disaster concept!)
@mikefastener You're right. The grid by itself doesn't mean much, because as you noted it can be used for almost anything, even protection from Giant Mutant Space Hamsters! However, the attack of the Giant Mutant Space Hamsters is far less likely than an abrupt climate shift that could cause, as mentioned, a pseudo-apocalypse. So let's rate the likelihood of each event - asteroids hitting the earth: was a scare for awhile, but the threat has since been downgraded.
@mikefastener Diseases destroying mankind? We've seen that before - SARS, H1N1, etc. which have all been pretty much overblown. Besides, the threat of disease running rampant is amplified with a climate disaster. Hmmmm.....
The example of Jack Layton becoming PM is invalid because the good consequences far outweigh the bad, but then again, it's subjective. Left-wingers usually like to improve thins, and neofascists - ahem, RIGHT-WINGERS usually don't or have a skewed definition of "improved"
@mikefastener No, I'm saying that we got on top of them, they were quickly controlled and soon disappeared. As long as we stay on top of things, they likely won't be a problem.
@mikefastener So now we rate the likelihood of all the possible scenarios you've outlined with the threat of a sudden climate shift, and we find that such an event is much more likely (and preventable) than all the others (if you would like I can go into the science explaining the increased likelihood of GCC). Geo-engineering, costing billions, isn't on the table (yet!). We need to reduce our emissions. Simple as that.
@mikefastener For instance, building hydroelectric power plants and wind farms would cost money, but it's money well spent. Coal-fired power plants are unbelievably inefficient and harmful to the environment. So if we replace them with wind and hydro, we make a much-needed improvement. The construction of public transit might cost a pretty penny, but electrically-powered, rail-based pubic transit is an excellent long-term investment.
@mikefastener You don't need university courses to figure this stuff out mikey. If you're going to spend money, and it's going to benefit you and most of the human species, it's money well spent. That's it.
@mikefastener Other than that I don't see what your beef is. What we need is for people to be aware of the threat and stop contributing to it. I, for instance, keep my heat turned down in the winter, A/C turned down in the summer, i only drive when absolutely necessary (and drive a hybrid at that) and I turn off lights in rooms that I'm not in to save energy. Stuff like that. What a wacko concept, eh mikey!
@gricer1326 Let us settle this easily. Tell me the physics courses you took in university to determine the KWhr variance on your actions and the gigaJoule impact with your hybrid.
@mikefastener I'm not saying my actions necessarily have any effect, i'm trying to describe the things people can do to reduce the weight of this problem which is rapidly getting worse, because we're stuck in column B and making no move to get to column A. Take some initiative!!!!!!
@mikefastener You claim to win the argument, yet this claim is based on a topic which has nothing to do with the argument itself. It's one of the classic right-winger-with-no-argument moves I see over and over again - bringing up an unrelated topic to avoid answering tough questions raised by your opponent. Now do you have anything relevant to the topic at hand to discuss!
@mikefastener No I do. I already said that I can go into the science explaining how climate change works if you want. Read down the list of comments, you'll see it.
@mikefastener Maybe you misunderstood that i was going to explain my qualifications in physics, engineering, and statistics, but that is not something I ever said. I said "I can go into the science/mechanics of climate change if you like. One doesn't need qualifications to interpret information already gathered and interpreted by people with greater qualifications (not saying I don't have qualifications).
@mikefastener All i'm going to say is that I'm not a climate scientist and that my education, besides being none of your business, is also irrelevant, just like rejecting Jack Layton as a possible PM because of an over-hyped, largely untrue story that has nothing to do with his political platform. A reasonable argument cannot take if you keep dodging my points by bringing up an unrelated topic, then claiming to win based on that unrelated topic.
@mikefastener Going on about how I won't reveal the exact details of my education to the entire world (because it's none of their business and irrelevant) just loses you any credibility you might have because you won't counter my argument about taking action on climate change.
Poor Stephane got too desperate to topple the government; making a deal with the seppies was, without a doubt, the wrong move. But I still have a lot more respect for him than the American coward trying to weasel his way into government right now.
If I was living in the UK, I would vote Conservative. But the Conservatives in North America (i.e., Canada and the US) are just too radical and soo out there. Fascists in disguise basically
What a lie no government has taken a mandate from the Canadian people for a long time no matter. They don' t ask us what we think they are all the same.
Harper, you were given a minority government, should you not find a common ground with at least one other party, then a coalition may be formed. Basic democracy 101, sir.
Universal Radio, trolling little weiner-licker that you are, you almost sound upset. I can see clearly why a dough-head like Msr. Dion would appeal to a socialist bung-hole like you.
You weren't aware of the attempted coup d' etat by Dion and his idiot tri-partite posse? This was the biggest news story of 2008, you daft clown. Try pulling your head out of your keester.
lol what did Dion say?
1974Qball 2 days ago
wtf is with all the people yelling in the background????11
j2xdude 2 weeks ago
can you let them finish their sentences before standing up and making so much noise???!!!!
j2xdude 2 weeks ago
harper are you six? daring people
peace6173 3 weeks ago
lmfao dion fails
tayeule124 4 weeks ago
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I would have loved to see Harper and Dion drop gloves right on the House floor.
Harper would have wiped the floor with that sad little frenchman.
pittsky 1 month ago
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blastedwpg 1 month ago
Dion must have been hoarse for a week after that.
CIVDC 2 months ago
Can someone translate gibberish to English? Because I don't know what the fuck Dion is talking about
Algonquin81 2 months ago
@Algonquin81 I dont think that a french accent (official language of canada) is really gibberish
peace6173 3 weeks ago
@peace6173 Well you completly missed the point of my post obviously. I speak English (The other official language) and French. Point being noone understands him when he speaks English. It's called a joke. It's funny that Harpers French is 10x better than Dion's English.
Algonquin81 3 weeks ago
Dion is such a jackoff! What an embarrassment!
NCISfan03 2 months ago
To hear the liberals applaude, press 2
To hear the NDP applaude, press 5
To hear the conservatives applaude, press 6
sonic2277 3 months ago
3:36 - Dion sounds like such a whiny loser when he gets mad that it makes me giggle uncontrollably.
levanyzzuf 5 months ago
1:17 Dion sounds like some sort of nazi, even though Harper is more likely to be one.
Sithlord703 5 months ago
i think harper is gay
harrisonconstantinou 6 months ago
Regardless of your political views, we can all agree this was one of the most exciting times in parliament in '08
David578593 6 months ago 20
I must admit, the first prorogation was absolutely right! The second prorogation, however, was just an abuse of power.
324wilson 7 months ago
@324wilson Jean Chretien prorogued parliament 5+ times, so did mulroney, so did trudeau, so let's stop talking about abuses of power by harper before we cover every single PM since MacDonald first.
Cnd1867 5 months ago
@Cnd1867 Oh, absolutely! But in my credulity I thought that Harper would be a different sort of Prime Minister as he promised in 2006. Nevertheless, I do support him - for now - and I do think that the first prorogation was correct thing to do.
324wilson 5 months ago
this is why parliament is better to have because it brings proper democracy....
greetings from down under
and god save the queen
liverpoolmatt87 8 months ago 9
@liverpoolmatt87
"Proper democracy?!"
LOL
Since when do the Canadian people have a voice besides voting??
TheCORE87 4 months ago
@TheCORE87 since 1867 mate
liverpoolmatt87 4 months ago
@liverpoolmatt87
Need I remind you of the recent G-20 summit and overwealming Americanization and capitalist creed sweeping over those in charge?
TheCORE87 4 months ago
@TheCORE87 it doesnt change the fact you canadians are still a constitutional monarchy with a parliament that follows the westminster system. just like australia and the rest of the monarchist realms within the commonwealth.
liverpoolmatt87 4 months ago
@liverpoolmatt87
Exactly, the only form of "proper democracy" I see in this system is being able to vote (but that is only a very small part of a democratic system).
Just like the Aussies and other monarchies, we must still have to bow are heads to the royal familly in London even when we are our own country and not part of Britain anymore...
We should have to CHOOSE which system WE want, not have to inherit the UK's leftover system:/
TheCORE87 4 months ago
@TheCORE87 you're not only one who may say that, australians and new zealanders state the same thing as what you've stated. but the truth is monarchist systems are just better at governing a country than republics. I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm saying it's better because it has always made politics secured, plus it is the oldest form of governance. but I dont think we can help the fact that our heritage comes from britain because that's just a part of our heritage.
liverpoolmatt87 4 months ago
@liverpoolmatt87 as a Brit you do have a very biased opinion of the Monarchy, I'd strongly advise you against speaking like you represent the majority because you don't
irishgodfatherchris 4 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris ok for starters mate, I am not speaking for nor am I representing any majorities here. secondly I'm stating facts here mate, so I dont see how I was being biased. if you think that I was being biased about the monarchy well then that's your misinterpretation but clearly I wasn't. So I strongly advise you not to make inferences because clearly you do.
liverpoolmatt87 4 months ago
@irishgodfatherchris I myself is a british expat.
liverpoolmatt87 4 months ago
@liverpoolmatt87 thats why I said it
irishgodfatherchris 4 months ago
@liverpoolmatt87 thats why I said it
irishgodfatherchris 4 months ago
@TheCORE87 plus it makes diplomacy between each commonwealth that shares the same head of state (E.R II) a lot flexible. you'll be suprised of how australia offered a helping hand to new zealand for their earthquake disaster seeing that nz is also a monarchist nation with the same figurehead.
liverpoolmatt87 4 months ago
both parties suck, fortunately in Canada there are more than 2 parties. NDP FTW!
Keim4ever 8 months ago
1:00 - 1:04 dion about to cry??
OffTheGrid1000 8 months ago
I should go into politics. Get paid 90k to just stand around and yell.
keetner 9 months ago
@keetner $157,000 actually
Arathae 8 months ago
@keetner hahaha yeah no doubt bud
OffTheGrid1000 8 months ago
what the fuck is this gong show in the parliament. Stop this bullshit and get to work you dumb fucks. Dont know what to do about the economy? consult an economist. Dont know whats to do about crime? consult a sociologist. Stop fucking around, NO CANADIAN cares about parliamentary drama.... we want you all to go to work like the rest of us do every single day. Stop making idiots of yourselves and do some fucking work.
drowningrock 9 months ago
what a Joke Harper is ! stop the lies !
CypressPhotoStudio 9 months ago
@CypressPhotoStudio
I bet you're happy with the recent federal election results.
keetner 9 months ago
conservative supporters are so gullible they can 't see a lies coming out of harper's mouth as obvious as they are.
mamba52us 9 months ago
Jerry Springer.
Bukuravera 9 months ago
4:35 The speacker rolls his eyes LMAO he's probebly thinking i hate my job
mbarana100 9 months ago
4:37 The speacker rolls his eyes lmao he's probebly thinking i hate my job
mbarana100 9 months ago
Dion has his revenge after all hahahaha
homer30 10 months ago
harpers a beuty, SIKHS FOR HARPER!!!!!!!
studentbrown 10 months ago
Best Part:
Peter Milliken at 4:35, "Sigh.... these children just won't shut up."
ayyodan 10 months ago
so childish
RunningP123456 10 months ago
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN POLITICAL STYLE GO HARPER GO VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2011
mbarana100 10 months ago
I love prime ministers questions it's so fun to see powerful leaders fight it out lol whether it's here in Canada or UK
mbarana100 10 months ago
Dions a crack pot
TheBart212 11 months ago
Im french and I still cant understand what Dion is saying.
jeepdogpet 1 year ago
Liberals need to learn that government is an honour not a birthright. I personally don't want Iggy to go; as long as he is their leader, the Conservatives will be in government.
fixxxer2673 1 year ago
@fixxxer2673 As many Canadians are now saying...."Better to have a hockey dad, than a Russian Count".
Really clarifies everything....doesn't it?
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener no if anything it shows how xenophobic you are (even though I'm Australian and can't vote in Canadian elections I do know whats going on) Ignatieff is Canadian of Russian ancestry (his background should never enter into the equation anyway) and as much as I (If I was Canadian) would not vote Liberal I'd vote NDP that was completely uncalled for.
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
@irishgodfatherchris Sorry, my silly friend; but, you are wrong! "his background should never enter into..."-then why does he bring it up! You see, when Iffy raises the issue himself, it become fair game--agreed?
Voting NDP in Canada means voting for Taliban Jack--Canadians are smarter than that!
Any other questions?
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener I presume thats a pathetic attempt to vilify Mr. Layton for his anti-war stance which most people around the world have its not just them, regarding the leader of the opposition fair enough.
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
@irishgodfatherchris Very sadly, Mr. Layton demonstrated shameful attitudes towards Canadian troops; hence, the term, "Taliban Jack". Google it and you will see how common it has become in referring to this socialist clown. (An embarrassment to all Canadians.)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener I've met the Taliban these people are mainly (keyword) impoverished farmers who have turned to the Taliban because the Conservative government has turned their back on them, as most socialist governments around the world have realised you cannot fight the Taliban by shooting at them that only strengthens their resolve, rather combat the Taliban by combating the source of the problem ie. poverty.
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
@irishgodfatherchris Wow! What a wonderful way to solve the problem!
(Tell that to the families of the victims of 9/11!)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener it exactly how The UK has got the IRA to lay down arms and a lot more people have died in the conflict there that on September the 11th.
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
@irishgodfatherchris I believe you will find a different solution in the history books regarding WWII.
(Just pointing out the facts.)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener the taliban is not an organised army like say Germany was in 1939 they're guerilla fighters who won't give up no matter how many of them you kill, its the old you kill one and two take his place
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
@irishgodfatherchris Therefore, I'm sure that if we all gave them one big hug--they will drop their arms and live in peace.
Yes, Chamberlain!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener He's got a point. If the campaign against them was humanitarian instead of militaristic, they'd question what they've been told by their leaders. The taliban recruits young people who are poor, and haven't heard anything about the west other than how we kill them. Building a few schools and hospitals would go a lot farther than a war.
Remember, terrorism is a tactic, and you can't win a war against a tactic.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns How is the American Iraq war going where the US has pumped billions of dollars into schools and hospitals and many Americans are still dying there?
"you can't win a war against a tactic"--a very comforting thought to a father holding his dying son, shot by a terrorist.
I guess you hope he rises about his sorrow!
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener America already pissed in the whiskey by attacking Iraq to begin with. Schools and hospitals won't amount to anything when you're bombing the country at the same time. They're fighting people who don't want them there no matter how many schools they renovate.
People won't turn to terrorism if they're shown that what they've been told about their enemy is wrong.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns I didn't know Americans were still bombing Iraq. Where and when?
mikefastener 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns BTW...you are completely wrong on "if they're shown that what they've been told...is wrong".
To paraphase Jonathon Swift, "if a person arrives at a position by emotion, no amount of logic will convince that person to change their position".
I'll take Mr. Swift's wisdom over your's.
Makes sense?
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener A statement isn't a fact just because Jonathan Swift said it. Smarter men than him have made greater errors.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns So you are saying you are greater than Jonathan Swift!!!????
Wow....get over youself!!
(Based on your posts....I assume you are a ....no buddy....agreed?)
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener No, I'm saying that I think Jonathan Swift was wrong.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns And I am sure you will agree, his reputation is (likely) better than yours.
(Getting clear now?)
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Yeah. But like I said, intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against just being dead wrong.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns "no guarantee"; but, you must agree, certainly a higher chance of being completely correct!
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Not a 100% chance.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns Uhhhhhhh, I believe I said "higher chance"....correct?
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Right. But not a 100% chance. He could be wrong no matter how intelligent he was.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns But you agree there is a higher chance he would be right rather than you....correct?
(Note, I believe this is the third time I have asked this question--please respond: "Yes" or "No".)
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Yes, but that doesn't mean he is right.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns No; but, again (for the 4th time) it means he is more likely right than you.
Hope this finally clarifies everything for you!
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener I don't give a shit how much more likely he is to be right. A statement isn't correct just because a smart person makes it. Newton's genius didn't prevent him from believing in the philosopher's stone. Ptolemy's genius didn't prevent him from taking astrology seriously.
You're arguing from authority. A basic logical fallacy.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns @ThePsychoReturns And you are arguing that every crackpot should be considered as such of an authority as a genius.
Sorry my silly friend, I've read Mr. Swift's work, I've read Mr. Swift's background, I fell I know Mr. Swift.
You are no Jonathon Swift!
(Glad you finally admitted he is more likely to be right than you though.)
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener No, I'm arguing that you shouldn't argue that Jonathan Swift is right simply because he is Jonathan Swift.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns Going in circles my silly friend (a typical left-wing trait).
We (you) have at least agreed that Swift is more likely to be correct than you.
Something that was really established 5 posts ago (but, you finally admitted it).
BTW--I know that even the so-called experts can be wrong--look at the crackpot scientists pushing the man-made global warming agenda telling us to give them billions of dollars for grants.
Luckily the people now recognize those lies.
Take care.
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener I'm not going in circles. You keep making the same faulty argument, so I keep debunking it with the same fact.
Those "lies" are supported by all of the evidence.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns So glad I got you to admit to something you really didn't want to. (That Mr. Swift certainly had a greater likelihood of being right than you and that is where we should place our confidence--thank you.)
A little confused on your "evidence" comment! Ever since the CRU scandal, public support for man-made global warming has fallen as we can see the corruption of the scientists to hide the facts.
I know I made you look foolish here; however, the truth is more important.
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Admit to what? It's not like I was keeping it a secret. You still haven't been able to address my point.
The only scandal there was the dishonest reporting of it by uneducated bloggers and pundits. There was no corruption. Several independent investigations found no evidence of any wrongdoing. The integrity of CRU remains intact.
You've made yourself look foolish. Nobody else. The truth is more important, but your statements suggest that you believe otherwise.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns How sad! It took, what, 8 postings for you to finally agree that Mr. Swift has more credibility than you. (Get over your ego!)
Now we talk about a tragic demonstration of crackpots gone wild where left wing weirdos investigated themselves. (And, surprisingly, found their colleagues innocent--what a crock!)
Oh well, we can both agree that the man-made global warming craziness is now over and the public realizes what was truly going on.
Thanks.
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener 8 posts and you still haven't realized that your argument fails on account of a basic logical fallacy.
These were independent investigations, idiot. Discovering a conspiracy would have been a good thing for them. The fact that they didn't find one says a lot.
I'm not as stupid as you, so no. Anthropogenic climate change continues to be a real problem regardless of how bad you are at research, or how little respect you give to scientific organizations.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns Independent investigations my foolish friend where held by colleagues anxious to find this scandal "wasn't a big deal". (An honest conclusion would have jeopardized the investigators’ lovely generous funding.)
My little grasshopper, grow up and see the world as it is!
BTW--I guess all those scientists that disagree with man-made global warming don't count.
Your foolishness scares me. I am sad that my intelligent vote only counts the same as your sheepish vote.
Oh well....
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener They wanted to uncover a scandal. That's the kind of thing these investigators live for. Funding is gained by people who get results, and false results don't cut it.
I know there are respected scientists who are skeptical about anthropogenic climate change. But equally respected scientists have found problems with their conclusions.
You have no business complaining about foolishness. You are a typical idiot who has deluded himself into thinking he's smart.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns "equally respected scientists"...but you missed, "scientists who are getting huge grants to propagate the falsehood of man-make global warming". Interesting that I look at honest scientists who were shouted down and disgraced by the shameful CRU clowns (we would hardly call them scientists) and you get angry at me!
Oh, Grasshopper, I only wish I could see the world with your wide-eyes and naivety.
Unlike you, I have to live in the real world.
Hope this post helped you.
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Scientists don't get huge grants to propagate anything. They get grants for scientific progress.
I'm not angry at you. I'm merely annoyed by your conspiracy theories and ignorance of the scientific process.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns Your foolishness is amazing!
Scientists get grants based on a shameful bias granting board (I know I am giving you an education that you don't like).
I am so glad that global warming wing nuts have been put in their place.
Aren't you glad? The truth sometimes hurts.
Next answer should be interesting......
mikefastener 10 months ago
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@mikefastener You are just making things up. You are an idiot.
ThePsychoReturns 10 months ago
@mikefastener Folks, please no more e-mails to me laughing at Psycho! Psycho could not answer a simple question on the hypocrisy of man-made global warming. I believe we should all safely assume a win for reason here.
Thanks for your support and I will go on stopping the silly global warming wingnuts.
Bigger fish to fry than this clown, Psycho.
mikefastener 10 months ago
@mikefastener Actually global warming has been accepted by most scientists around the world. Science works!
Keim4ever 8 months ago
@Keim4ever Actually, government grants and big packages to those that agree with the religion of global warming have been accepted.
Finance works!
(You may wish to run away as most left-wingers do as they are confronted by my excellent debating skills.)
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener "the religion of global warming?" are you one of thoes people who think scientist
make up eveything and sell it 2 the world for their own agenda?
Keim4ever 8 months ago
@Keim4ever Check out "CRU e-mails" and get back to me....if you dare!
(A little egg on your face, my friend?)
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener so a couple of people recently hacked a computer, does this all of a sudden disprove years of studying made by scientists.
Keim4ever 8 months ago
@Keim4ever "a couple of people"!!!
You sound like a child.
Lies, distortions, falsehoods all were found in these e-mails.
Don't look--you my not like what you see
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Why? I would love to convince myself that global warming isn't a concern. I don't want thousands of people to die in the future due to droughts, fires, floods storms, ect. However I go where the scientific facts lead. Even if global warming isn't happening, (which I hope is the case) we should find alternative resources to fuel our vehicles. Oil is getting expensive, it won't last forever, and its not good for us and the enviroment.
Keim4ever 8 months ago
@Keim4ever I can help you now.
Man made global warming is not a concern.
There, now go live your life.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Climate change skepticism? What's next from you! I should really set you straight - at the present it does not matter whether climate change is real or not, we have to decide whether to act on it or not. The way we go about making that decision is by risk management. Let's make a chart with 2 rows and 2 columns; row one being "GCC is true" and the other being "GCC is false", column A being "action" and B being "inaction".
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener Now we work out the risks: With column A (action) paired with row one (GCC true) we're all happy, having avoided the biggest disaster in the history of our species. Pairing column A with row 2 (GCC false) means we made some unnecessary changes to our lifestyle and spent some money, maybe reducing our GDP growth a little.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener That's column A. Now to column B (inaction). We'll start by pairing this column with row 2. We didn't take action and we didn't need to, therefore skeptics are happy and "warmers" are relieved. Pairing column B with row one, however, is a different story altogether. We didn't take action, but we should have. This results in economic, social, political, environmental and public health disasters to name a few.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener This would result in the end of life as we know it. Entire ecosystems would die, the prairies would turn to dustbowls, weather would be unpredictable and violent, disease would run rampant, the economy would fail catastrophically and the government would go Big Brother on us. Since i'm not a sadist/masochist this scenario doesn't particularly appeal to me, to say the least. I don't know about you.
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gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener Granted, I'm trying to be as pessimistic and dogmatic as possible with my predictions for worst-case scenarios so the results may or may not play out to the full extent to which I outlined them, but we still need to put the situation in perspective.
So the question remains, given the uncertainties of climate change, do you want to risk an unnecessary (and possibly uncomfortable) change, or a pseudo-apocalypse? Think about it and get back to me when you're done.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Given the great cost and great uncertainty.....we should take the risk!
BTW....we can construct those Type 1 / Type 2 tables for anything...asteroids hitting the earth, diseases destroying mankind, or the worst scenario.....Jack Laydown becoming Prime Minister.
Let us not spend billions on wacko concepts!
(Thought you'd like the Jack Laydown disaster concept!)
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener You're right. The grid by itself doesn't mean much, because as you noted it can be used for almost anything, even protection from Giant Mutant Space Hamsters! However, the attack of the Giant Mutant Space Hamsters is far less likely than an abrupt climate shift that could cause, as mentioned, a pseudo-apocalypse. So let's rate the likelihood of each event - asteroids hitting the earth: was a scare for awhile, but the threat has since been downgraded.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 "hamsters"...actually no.
Let us settle this easily....how many university level statistics courses have you taken?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener (1) that's none of your business and (2) it's not relevant. Please stay on topic.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener Diseases destroying mankind? We've seen that before - SARS, H1N1, etc. which have all been pretty much overblown. Besides, the threat of disease running rampant is amplified with a climate disaster. Hmmmm.....
The example of Jack Layton becoming PM is invalid because the good consequences far outweigh the bad, but then again, it's subjective. Left-wingers usually like to improve thins, and neofascists - ahem, RIGHT-WINGERS usually don't or have a skewed definition of "improved"
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 We've seen that before - SARS, H!N!, etc"...these diseases destroyed mankind? Are you nuts?
Jack Laydown becoming PM and good consequences...
I guess Canadians disagreed with you.
Get over it!
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener No, I'm saying that we got on top of them, they were quickly controlled and soon disappeared. As long as we stay on top of things, they likely won't be a problem.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener So now we rate the likelihood of all the possible scenarios you've outlined with the threat of a sudden climate shift, and we find that such an event is much more likely (and preventable) than all the others (if you would like I can go into the science explaining the increased likelihood of GCC). Geo-engineering, costing billions, isn't on the table (yet!). We need to reduce our emissions. Simple as that.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Let us settle this easily. Take me the engineering courses you took in university to make statements about geo-engineering?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener For instance, building hydroelectric power plants and wind farms would cost money, but it's money well spent. Coal-fired power plants are unbelievably inefficient and harmful to the environment. So if we replace them with wind and hydro, we make a much-needed improvement. The construction of public transit might cost a pretty penny, but electrically-powered, rail-based pubic transit is an excellent long-term investment.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Let us settle this easily. Tell me the economics and finance courses you took in university to determine it is "money well spent".
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener You don't need university courses to figure this stuff out mikey. If you're going to spend money, and it's going to benefit you and most of the human species, it's money well spent. That's it.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 "You don't need university courses...."
Thank you. You admit you are not educated in the subjects you speak about.
They call this, "point, game, match".
Thank you for admitting your ignorance.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Other than that I don't see what your beef is. What we need is for people to be aware of the threat and stop contributing to it. I, for instance, keep my heat turned down in the winter, A/C turned down in the summer, i only drive when absolutely necessary (and drive a hybrid at that) and I turn off lights in rooms that I'm not in to save energy. Stuff like that. What a wacko concept, eh mikey!
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Let us settle this easily. Tell me the physics courses you took in university to determine the KWhr variance on your actions and the gigaJoule impact with your hybrid.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener I'm not saying my actions necessarily have any effect, i'm trying to describe the things people can do to reduce the weight of this problem which is rapidly getting worse, because we're stuck in column B and making no move to get to column A. Take some initiative!!!!!!
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Game over (again---a common theme with my strong debating skills and your lack of knowledge).
Take care and enjoy 4 years of the "right" government in Toronto, Ottawa and soon Ontario!
Hope I educated you.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener You claim to win the argument, yet this claim is based on a topic which has nothing to do with the argument itself. It's one of the classic right-winger-with-no-argument moves I see over and over again - bringing up an unrelated topic to avoid answering tough questions raised by your opponent. Now do you have anything relevant to the topic at hand to discuss!
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Love it when I call you out!
You admit you have no knowledge of the subjects you quote to support your position.
Love it!!!
Apology outstanding?
Just waiting...
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener No I do. I already said that I can go into the science explaining how climate change works if you want. Read down the list of comments, you'll see it.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Did I understand that you were going to explain your qualifications in physics, engineering, statistics?
Anything else would be, dare I say, hypocrisy!
Go ahead....tell us about your advance education in these subjects!
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Maybe you misunderstood that i was going to explain my qualifications in physics, engineering, and statistics, but that is not something I ever said. I said "I can go into the science/mechanics of climate change if you like. One doesn't need qualifications to interpret information already gathered and interpreted by people with greater qualifications (not saying I don't have qualifications).
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener All i'm going to say is that I'm not a climate scientist and that my education, besides being none of your business, is also irrelevant, just like rejecting Jack Layton as a possible PM because of an over-hyped, largely untrue story that has nothing to do with his political platform. A reasonable argument cannot take if you keep dodging my points by bringing up an unrelated topic, then claiming to win based on that unrelated topic.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@mikefastener Going on about how I won't reveal the exact details of my education to the entire world (because it's none of their business and irrelevant) just loses you any credibility you might have because you won't counter my argument about taking action on climate change.
gricer1326 8 months ago
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@gricer1326 Glad you admit you don't know what you are talking about!
Point-set-match!
mikefastener 8 months ago
@Keim4ever All of the most credible sources of information, to be precise.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Like the CRU?
mikefastener 8 months ago
Poor Stephane got too desperate to topple the government; making a deal with the seppies was, without a doubt, the wrong move. But I still have a lot more respect for him than the American coward trying to weasel his way into government right now.
jacketman22 1 year ago
lol dion got pwned!
viper10011 1 year ago
Dion is too soft.
jeepdogpet 1 year ago
screw the liberal ndp and bloc
VOTE CONSERVATIVES
MrNomad81 1 year ago
There we go, Mandate from the Canadian People. WE DONT WANT THE FUCKING GUN REGISTRY. LISTEN TO US LIBERAL DOUCHE BAGS
ufloetz 1 year ago
The house is on fire tonight....yikes.
justgetsome 1 year ago
Fuck Harper and Fuck Iggy we need Justin trudeau
unbreakableunion 1 year ago
@unbreakableunion You are out of your mind.
MegaWolfgang 1 year ago
@unbreakableunion
Bullshit! That guy's a clown.
majortuff 1 year ago
@unbreakableunion We need Justin Clowneau like a "hole in the head"!
Wow, any response, my silly lie-beral friend?
mikefastener 1 year ago 2
@unbreakableunion Yes, we need Justin Trudeau....and a bullet in our head.
Both would be the same level of pain for Canadians!
mikefastener 1 year ago
Poor Stephane... he had no idea what he was getting himself into.
SnorkelNose 1 year ago
@SnorkelNose Dion looked like he was about to cry!
mikefastener 1 year ago
If I was living in the UK, I would vote Conservative. But the Conservatives in North America (i.e., Canada and the US) are just too radical and soo out there. Fascists in disguise basically
loucious22 1 year ago
@loucious22 are you fucked? Haha learn about the political spectrum. Canada Conservatives are not Republicans you fool.
caseyr1 1 year ago
@caseyr1 The conservatives are liberals, LIberals are socialist, NDP and green are communist.
ufloetz 1 year ago
Oh look Ontario and Quebec are arguing about how to run the rest of the country!
lucy9359 1 year ago
Can't we come up with a goverment that works in this nation period. None of them do right by us!
lucy9359 1 year ago
What a lie no government has taken a mandate from the Canadian people for a long time no matter. They don' t ask us what we think they are all the same.
lucy9359 1 year ago
Harper is a puppet to the Israelis, and the Republicans - and he's a traitor. I hope he ends up in jail for war crimes.
Dion really is a patriot and a hero; for kicking up the shit over this. I wasn't even aware of what was going on until this happened.
universalradio 1 year ago
Harper, you were given a minority government, should you not find a common ground with at least one other party, then a coalition may be formed. Basic democracy 101, sir.
iamnotatourist 1 year ago
no wonder he shutter down there pissed harpers probly hiding under his bed
stucco001 2 years ago 2
lol layton will never be P.M
TheWeasel81 2 years ago 2
I'm convinced Mr. Dion has no testicles.
raynus1 2 years ago 3
How do you know that ? You checked this ? :P
Tylvalen 2 years ago 2
No need to check...
a.) He is unappealing to both male and female voters.
b.) "This isn't fair!!". A eunuch's rebuttal, if ever there was one.
c.) He is unable to lead effectively.
d.) He exhibits the feracity and political acumen of a neutered tree-sloth, ie: he's unable to find his political 'fangs'.
e.) He manages to hit the high note several times while expressing his indignant outrage.
Tiny, weenie, under-developed testicles, if any at all.
raynus1 2 years ago 2
Sounds like you've got a tiny, weenie, under-developed brain, if any at all.
inconcordium 1 year ago
Developed enough to recognize an inept, bumbling, flaccid loser like Dion, ass-clown. Now go save the planet.
raynus1 1 year ago
@raynus1 For Christ's sake - what a moron you are!!
Testicles? How the fuck would you know? You got any?
universalradio 1 year ago
Universal Radio, trolling little weiner-licker that you are, you almost sound upset. I can see clearly why a dough-head like Msr. Dion would appeal to a socialist bung-hole like you.
You weren't aware of the attempted coup d' etat by Dion and his idiot tri-partite posse? This was the biggest news story of 2008, you daft clown. Try pulling your head out of your keester.
raynus1 1 year ago
It's too bad only a fraction of the population bothers to watch these debates.
evane1989 2 years ago 35
@evane1989 There would have been a civil war along time ago be glad!
lucy9359 1 year ago
The conservatives show who has the seats in the house, you can't even hear Dion when they cheer.
And who put them in those seats. the Canadian people.
caseyr1 2 years ago 6
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Somebody, remove the party leaders.
Michael Ignatieff can stay, since that nerd Dion is out,
Jack Layton is behaving riduculously, and should be replaced,
Harper should stand aside, cause with him the Conservative are never going to get a majority,
and I guess Duceppe can stay, I guess being in Parliament for a long time civilizes such great statesmen.
holazet 3 years ago