Don Beck - Spiral Dynamics and the Palestine/Israel Conflict

[majorawol]

Circle Jerks got nothing on this. Can't touch this. Spiral Jerks. Discuss. Stroke your beard, wax your head, sit on thrown, place the comb over, cut the fat. B-b-but, b-bu-but Ken Wilber said. Where are my groupies? God dammit! Ooooo check the readings on these Alpha waves... fap fap fap Just give it to Jesus. He's good enough. Shut 'em up and let him be Messiah. Ok. Where's my dunce cap? Thanks.

[huthut91]

Wow. I'm not sure I've ever heard somebody talk quite as much sense as this.

[MrCuntyballs2U]

Einstein had to wait for the transits of Venus for ultimate vindication.........this theory will never receive empirical vindication however because it is merely a convenient truth for the conceit of those like Beck and Wilber

[LooksAeterna]

Thanks a lot for this interview !

Clearly, with Don Beck here's a man who actually commands his material and knows what he's talking about when speaking of these different colors. And that shows in his mastery of the application in the field and in how as listener one immediately catches the meaning --- as opposed to superficially endlessly reiterating a few defining abstractions and terms carved by the hard studies by others.

More Graves/Beck/Cowan or the likes of Kegan !

[brandonwnicholas]

The Serpent: American wives aren't that interested in me anymore. They've tried other fruit before marriage. They know they aren't missing anything.

[brandonwnicholas]

I've white pride in a Nation of Islam way, but I love personalities.

[brandonwnicholas]

Israel and Palestine would have to pay for my transportation, food, and shelter if they want me to help.

[Imperativism]

As a philosophy writer, I have a deep appreciation for a large portion of Wilber's work. However, I'm completely disappointed by Wilber's AQAL model insofar as it pertains to holism. It doesn't. And an irreconcilable error of Wilber's is the mistake that simply pluralizing a noun changes the observer's perspective, which it clearly doesn't. A perspective on an apple doesn't change simply by adding another apple to the viewer's line of sight. But in AQAL, doing so suffices so that UR becomes LR.

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

@Imperativism. That's Wilber's 4th 'generation' models you speak of. In the 5th 'generation' it is different,

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

@Imperativism. To me, Ken Wilber seems to claim that a collective consciousness cannot be expressed in (formal?) language. Hmmm.

[crearto]

@ Imperativism:

You must change the "it" from UR to "my body" to understand ist right. This "it" is misleadingly.

UL/UR/LL/LR are all just different perspectives to ONE and the same subject.

[thepathlesspath]

Would be interesting to see Integral Institute take the same outward approach and begin applying organizations to third world countries and other area in political, economic and ecological tension. Interesting reflections...

[MaBu888]

My thoughts on the All: there will be a choice on whether to live with, relatively speaking integrative or segregative energies/emotions/thoughts/yan­tras - good or evil. I prefer integrative. :) I've already made my choice. :)

[MaBu888]

I love to listen to Beck talking about his job. :), Th theory itself is, while beautiful, too much ink and paper and pixel, psychologically and I'm sure intersubjectively and interobjectively speaking. :)

[MaBu888]

Hmmm, SpiralDynamics is like a self-fulfilling prophecy coming true.

[IntegralNeri]

Integral Institute needs local people, we need to develop the capacity in Israel and Palestine and not to wait for "Integral Institute" to come and save us.

[MaBu888]

@IntegralNeri and in many other countries. This is truly something that can offer a world changing capacity and self-creating systems, which are like an integration at a higher dimension, in a way.