J-10 performs in China airshow 08

[hinaAhmed361]

boring



[theaviribidityofwtr]

@djomercohen the Israeli jet is just made by cutting off the front of an f16 , back of a gripen, canards of the Rafael and gluing them together

[djomercohen]

its an Israeli made jet that was sold to china after its production was canceled

[88mroux]

WMG AND YOUTUBE! STOP DISABLING THE AUDIO ON VIDEOS THAT HAVE REALLY GREAT SONGS ON THEM!!

[powerofthroughts]

X31 is shit, it was wasting times, so the u.s and Germany decided the J10 would smears x31. J10 is a real superb plane.

[DanielMadrigalC]

Looks like a copy of the X-31 to my 0.o

[proPAF1]

pakistan will also get 123 of these fighters on 25 july 2010

[clark2007ps3]

China still has more advanced J10B, J13, J14

[kingnek]

This is an Israeli Lavi. Imagine, American technology given to the Zionists and this is how they repay America - by selling it to America's strongest enemy, China. LOL. I love how American 'patriots' (stupid Evangelicals and others) declare loyalty to Israel as a sacred right. Then Israel does this kind of things

[cismok]

I have to tell you this fighter was in preparation to design in 1986, at Sichuan, Southwest China, it is designed and built by indigenous designers and engineers, the engineers there told us. Maybe it's a bit like the others, the aircraft in that era may have similar features.

[conworldus]

It is inspired by the Lavi but has been 99% modified. Stop being dumb.

[kingnek]

conworldus, ya sure, "Inspired". Ya, I like the euphemism for stolen. You guys don't get it, this is American technology, sold at a profit to the Chinese, illegal under American law. Oh boy, talking about being dumb.

[chengda85]

@kingnek show some proof that this is american tech sold to the chinese. Dont have proof? i thought so.

[coltsfreak1856]

they should put some thrust vectoring in the j-10 to see how that works

[RenegadeAM]

not impressed with this jet at all, it seems light years away frin the french and brits, let alone the russians and the top dog US air power. it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. maybe 2 or 3 generations they might make a good one.

[dogsbd]

You are correct, that is why you received all the thumbs down. Truth hurts.

[Aquilis182]

Curiously the Israeli Phyton 3 Missile is derived from the american Aim9 Sidewinder... so indirectly the PL8 is influenced by american technology. Other chinese missiles (mostly) are derived from russian technology. Matbe that why USA things the J-10 have something to do with the Lavi, if bot the fuselage but the Flybywire control system software. And Thast also why USA dind want to sell the JSF to Israel no more, they fear China may get stealth tech if Israel gets the JSF.

[Aquilis182]

* I mean J-10, not J-19

[Aquilis182]

and by the way... whats the name of that song on the video?

[rlzzz1]

nemo by nightwish.

keep your interest in china air force

[Aquilis182]

thanks buddy ;) I keep my interest in the PLAAF specially in the J-10

[Aquilis182]

It looks like the Eurofighter, but only have one engine... and if you notice u gonna se 2 small stabilizers wigs in the bottom of the fuselaje near the engine (that kindda looks like the F-16) the fuselage is derived from the canceled chinese J-9 project. however the canceled israeli Lavi project kindda looks like the J-10. What US alege have nothing to do with the fuselaje.. but it does with the fly-by-wire control system software may probably (not evidenced) derived from the Lavi

[quake99]

look at the j-10, lavi and f-16 from the top looking down....not the side. the wings and configuration is different and not very similiar, the j-10 basic configuration is more like the european eurofighter.

it makes more sense for the chinese to adopt a more advanced design like the eurofighter typhoon.

the radar, missiles, fly by wire is chinese. engine is russian for now but will be replaced with indigenous ws-10 turbofan, but besides engine, everything is chinese.

[Aquilis182]

but the fuselaje is not derived from all this planes we mention before... I'ts derived from chinese J-9 canceled project in the 70 or 80 (I dont remember exactly wish date) thats what chinas claim and I believe them scince I see the schematics of the J-9. What USA braggs about is the Flybywire control software wish possible comes from the lavi. (as far as I know USA anit show any evidence) so Im not sure of that. but some weapons of the 10 like the PL8 missile its derived from the phyton 3

[Aquilis182]

I gave you some technical data on the J10 here... It's a chinese 4.5 generation jetfighter with russian powerplant and possible israeli fly-by-wire control system and maybe radar too... can fly at mach 2.2 and have a service celling of 65,000ft, range of 3,000 km, it desing allows very high manewverability (even recognized by US goverment) a cannon of 23mm, 11 stations and a combat load of 4,500kg. the engines intakes are designed to reduce enemy radar detection... one of the best fighter jets.

[quake99]

The J-10 uses Russian AL-31FN for now, but China plans to equip it with domestic WS-10A fighter engine. The fly by wire and radar is Chinese.

I don't even think the J-10 is that similar for F-16, Lavi, the basic configuration and design/wing is different and I don't know what people are talking about.. Maybe people are saying things without researching or looking.... J-10 exterior looks like Eurofighter.

[MastaKeith]

Why are you angry,jealousy get you no where,because CHINA will RULE the WORLD soon whether you like it or not,just get over it DICKHEAD.

[Aquilis182]

not disrespecting China's military and much less the mighty J10 but did you realize than planes like the F22, SU35, Typhoon and Rafale still better than the J10?

[by78]

Yeah, but we spend so much on the F-22 and the J-35 that we are bankrupt, unlike the Chinese. We now end up borrowing one Billion dollars a day from the Chinese just to make ends meet. You tell me who's got the better deal.

[Aquilis182]

The F-22 it's the world must expensive jetfighter... like 137 millions each,,, i'll give you that but by far it's also the best. the JSF isnt as nearly as expensive as the F-22 besides its an international proyect... many NATO countries are aporting to it. Besides the F-22 only enter in low production rate, I think the 27th TFS an Langley AFB, VA are the only USAF Unit who have them in service the reallity is that USAF backbone still rellys on the F-15's and F-16's as multirole fighters

[Aquilis182]

Besides The PLAAF have some new good stuff like the J-19 and J-11 but they are also produced in lowrate as USAF have few F-22, the PLAAF have few J-10 and J11... most of the PLAAF are J-7 and J-8 derived form the soviet Mig21 an early 60's jetfighter not saying the PLAAF have nearly 2,200 J-6 and Q-6 devived from the soviet Mig17 from 50's so thats their backbone frontline jetfighters.

[quake99]

chinese j-10 numbers are about i say 100-125, maybe more. it has been mass production since 2006.

[Aquilis182]

Yes. I have the same numbers than you... probably u got them from sinodefence or globalsecurity.. But your information just help back up my argument, so I have to thank you ;)125 or a little bit more its not a meaning number inside around 6,000 wish make the PLAAF the biggest Air Force in the word. The J-11 its a modern bad ass jet too inside the PLAAF but beside of couple hundred of J-10 and J-11... mostly its very outdated weaponry. Buy the J-10 still rocks!

[Aquilis182]

Even a US Navy officer, observes the J-10 maneuvers and recognize than the J-10 is even more maneuverable than a F/!-18 Super Hornet (thats the best thing the USN have today) I think I find that info in sinodefence. Also I find the J-10 defeats the mighty SU-27 in visual range air combat practices in every encounter they have. So for me thats evidence enough to make the J-10 one of the best jetfighters in the world...

[syedm90]

the j-10 can math any aircraft in the world. It is one of the best in the world.

[Aquilis182]

It all due respect buddy. If we talk about deals. I dont think keeping an paying mantenance from maybe 60% or 70% of outdated enquipment who are really nearly useless against modern enquipment. in easy words i dont think spending mantenance in outdated enquipment that its sureley be lost if a conflict occur (we hope not happen).. its like flushing money to the toilet. I wallwasy believe quality it's better than quantity. Rememberr the 300 spartans against thousands of persian troops

[Aquilis182]

We are not in banrupt for that reason... we have a global economic crisis (economics and politics are not my speciallity) however, the world spend around $950 billion on military matther, USA alone spend a little over $500 billion, that means USA alone spend a little bit more of 50% of the entire world military budget i think that was for the FY 2008 and I find that data in globalsecurity. So at least the armed forces and military research still not to affected bye the global economic crisis

[zhbs1234]

妈的！你明白个屁！

[zhbs1234]

no,the  Eurofighter is a copy from j-10,

[b101aa2]

you do realize the first flight of the Eurofighter was in 1994 piloted by Peter Weger, who was Messerchmitt-Bülkow-Blohm (MBB) chief test pilot at the time, which was 2 years before china purchased the Lavi from Isreal, so they could make the J-10 from its engineering program right? Sheesh, at least get your information correct.

[ktm511]

no sir... This is a copy of a gripen and a Eurofighter.

[netxiao]

I agree with you,j-10 is a good flighter

[imikewillrockyou]

This "Chinese Jet" is really a modified reverse engineered U.S. X-31. If modified at all. Someone must have sold them the plans.

[thar777]

pakis get wet n pee in their pants dreaming of these supposedly amazing chink j10 jets!

Wonder when the chinks will produce a truly modern jet fighter without first stealing the technology!

paki shits stan going down the shit tube and yet pakis waste time dreaming of 2nd rate chink jets!

[cbong1993]

@thar777, J10 doesn't steal from any technology... It may seem like Lavi, but it actually not. Look Israel people try to make a best plane, but we also want to make a better plane, that's why it may look the same because that way it is more effective. It can beat F16 tho...

[Aquilis182]

nobody use the word "steal" around here its just believe that the fly by wire control system software was based on the Lavy's but that is not even confirmed

[Blitzoace]

Aaaah... Ok, first of all I think we need to say that the J-10 does have foreign technologies (FBW systems modified from the lavi, yeah) but most of it is indigenous. Search up J-9 on google images and you will find a plane which looks similar to the J-10 and predates the development of the lavi. So please don't be racist.

[infra127]

i know i agree with you ... as we know that fucking rundia is still sucking russian dick.. will carry on sucking it.. now rundians or sorry indians have gone far to suck american dick.. but you will only get american and russian bolls to lick .. nothing else.. you fucking shit eater...rundians...hahahahah

[Blitzoace]

Wow, I think the J-10 would be quite able to challenge the eurofighter rafale or gripen.. As well as a good portion of the Flanker family and US teen era fighters..

[ktm511]

There is no way This can take on an SU-27 or 35. But as far as other delta wing fighters, you might be right.

[Blitzoace]

Hmm. The J-10 could probably beat the the Su-27, I say this because the J-10 beat the J-11 (a chinese upgraded version of the Su 27) in simulated dogfights. But the Su 35 is a bit extensive. If the J-10 had a better radar and thrust vectoring and a bit more stealth shaping it could probably take on the 35.

[liii007]

not only DF actually，but also BVR...2 J10 vs 4 J11...

[Blitzoace]

yeah but i'm talking about the performance of the respective planes, not their missiles. but still good to hear the BVR of the J-10 can win the J-11

[PakiJeel]

Nice.. Now cant wait for 09... We get 36 of these

[syedm90]

amazing vid bro 5 stars!

[stevenju]

awful , think of this .

[adrastea99]

Holy shit.

Talk about performance!

Add thrust vectoring, stealth, and a few in fuselage missiles and you have yourself something that can challenge the raptor, eurofighter or the PAKFA

[cbong1993]

@adrastea99, well actually we Chinese are working on J-XX which is fully stealh, and better technology, it is 100% developed by Chinese. The J-10 is probably 98%, because we still using the Russian radar. But we are trying to replace the Russian radar. Anyway, J10 itself can kill F16.

[adrastea99]

Good to hear

China should not be afraid of American stealth bombers

"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."

They learn this in American war universities :)

[Aquilis182]

Art Of War... but words may be well backed up with actions, weapons, technology an trainned personel, the reality is. theres is nothing China or even the own Russia have to detect B2 Spirits. besides they might be escorted by raptors... not a good idea try to kill them in dogfight cause the raptors will shoot them down far befor theny get in range to use the guns in dogfight... PLAAF my have to use the old school way of WW2 dogfight to try to shoot down the stealth bombers

[adrastea99]

Since dogfighting no longer matters why not simply remove the cannon from the fighter chassis?

Idiot, dogfights are 90% of the combat kills in aerial combat and 100% in stealth-v-stealth combat

BVR is basically never used

And the F16 has had huge numbers of upgrades, look up "F-16 Fighting Falcon variants" on wiki they list them very nice

Hell, the F15 has an upgrade which basically makes it a 5th gen craft called "silent eagle" coming up in 2010

[Aquilis182]

USA create the F4 in vietnam war without a canon thinking like that, cause they believe the missiles will do the job... THEY WHERE WRONG, they realize they need a cannon, latter versions of the F4 comes with a 20mm canon, NVAF where wooping US Air power in VR combat cause the lack of a cannon. even outated pakistani J6 ambush more modern India's aircrafts with superior manewverability and the guns I dind remember wish battle but i read something like that in globalsecurity

[zheng1985915678]

J-10 is not our main battle jet , J-10 is just the mode of test , our main battle jet will be J-14 and J-11 b and J-7

[adrastea99]

J7 sucks and J11 is basically a sukhoi

I'm expecting a lot more out of the J14

[zheng1985915678]

no , you dont understand , we need J7 to establish a air strike system , singe type jet cant win in the air , J7 could fix up the defection of J14 and J11B

and J11B IS NOT sukhoi, DUE TO all the component designed by our self , the fuction is better than sukhoi

[Aquilis182]

Still a Sukhoi with cinese modifications, Its better than the SU27, but not better than The SU35 Seuper Flanker

[zheng1985915678]

ju just fuck off

[Aquilis182]

I read a psychology book... I dont remember when maybe 2 or 3 years ago, I learn that when people begin to act like that is because they have nothing else to support their opinions and they feel like ok... I have no anything rational to say... what they do... they become angry and star behaving just like u are behaving right now, now I feel like I was waisting my inteligence arguing with somebody that is not even mentally fit to have a healthy discusion. I apology for that. get psychology help.

[zheng1985915678]

beside J14, we will deploy J 12- J 13 , and J -911C

[Aquilis182]

yeah.. the J11B is a chinese maded and modified SU-30KK, thats a good plane I'll give you that, the J7... o welll is not a good plane, is useless in modern air combat

[Aquilis182]

Im talking about what PLAAF have today, not tomorow or not in 10 years, I argue with present facts cause they are accurate, the future... that is a matter of guessing and thats can vary a lot

[zheng1985915678]

you think china dont have J14 , J12 AND J13 ? all the prototype established .

[Aquilis182]

The facts if chna have this prototypes or not have nothing to do with a realtime military analisys... even if china do have thouse prototypes (think that I personally doubt) have nothing to do with the active hardware they have today, and a tactical or strategic analisys have to be with, present (not tomorow or the day after) information cause as I say guessing tends to lack of accuracy, example... russia shows to the world flight of SU37 but they never enter in service, SU35 reamins the best

[zheng1985915678]

J-10 not for our airforce , J-10 just for selling and export

[Aquilis182]

whats that have to do with china not afraid of stealth bombers?

[Blitzoace]

hmm well let's nor over exxagerate, we can't speculate anything, like saying the J-XX is better technology, just doesn't make sense. And the J-XX will probably have outside help. you have to admit that's true. but yeah the J-10 will be able to kill the F-16

[Aquilis182]

Im american but thats right I think the J10 its better than the F16 but you have to remember the J10 enter in sevice in 2006, the F16 in 1979, also remember The J10s and the J11Bs are in service with the most elite squadrons from the PLAAF... soy they are not the backbone of the PLAAF, The backbone still J7s (improved mig21s) J8IIs (two engine mig21s). If we talked about PLAAF elite planes face the USAF elite planes... No J10s or J11Bs will stand a chanse against the f22 raptors

[conworldus]

To be exact, J-10A is compared to F-16 block 50, which entered service in 1991. The latest J-10B is better than any version of F-16.

You don't compare F-22 to J-10 because F-22 is a heavy fighter and a generation ahead. F-22 is also too expensive (both in cost and maintanence) for any country including the U.S to operate. That's why Obama scrapped it.

[Aquilis182]

In war... the enemy will not decide to pull his punches cause that u just tell me... thats why we can copare anything that we have in realtime... J10s are good, as far as I know they are multirole fighter just like the F16s. The F22 is an air dominance fighter with secondary role as a multirole fighter. If US have to use them against the J10s someday (I hope not) they are not gonna say "NO CAUSE THE J10s ARE NOT AN AIR DOMINANCE FIGHTER, LET USE OUR F16s"

[Aquilis182]

The PAK FA is not in service yet, so theres no point of compare with it if the jetfighter is not in service cause the future is uncertain.. what about if the russians abandon the Pak Fa proyect as they do with the S-37 Berkut and the Mig 1.44? where your comparation gonna be?

[adrastea99]

S37 and MiG1.44 were not abandoned, they were experimental craft and technology from both will be used in PAKFA

Additionally, both of those types of craft are available for purchase, so who knows. Some other country might order a few hundred S37 as a interceptor

[Aquilis182]

yes they where.. I explain you. The production name the production name of the S-37 was the SU47 Berkut, the production name of the Mig 1.44 was Migh MFI... both planes where great machines but too expensive for Russia to mass produce, so they use the tech of both planes to create something nearly as good as the F22, but as cheap as the F35, thats how the PAK FA proyect beguin, so I think that cost-efectives balance will flavor the PAK FA over the F22. cause the F22 is to damn expensive.

[adrastea99]

Still, the Berkut and MiG project were not abandoned as you say

For example, the Berkut is available for purchase to foreign countries while the MiG 1.44 is being developed into MiG LMFS

You are confused about MFI too

This was all a competition, PAKFA won on Sukhoi side, and LMFS won on Mikoyan side

[Aquilis182]

Well... probably u have more information than I do in that matter. but I have real facts my friend... the Mig 1.44 flew for the first time in 1994 an the S-53 in november of 1997... how many countries includin russia u see with any of thouse planes operative in their air forces?? hell... its been 12 years scince the S37 flew for the first time... and about the Mig 1.44 Its been 15 years! NONE of those planes are active... not even the SU37 Terminator, both prototipes where convertedback to SU35s

[adrastea99]

Uh. The MiG1.44 did not fly in 1997, that was when the project started

The first prototype flew sometime after the turn of the millennium I believe, with the project still being in the pre production stage

The Berkut flew in 97 as a prototype, and that prototype was upgraded to stealth status in '02. This aircraft is ready for sale, but no one wants to buy it because it is too expensive or people are waiting for the PAKFA

Do you know when the F22 first flew? 20 years ago

GTFO

[Aquilis182]

I recommend u to read what I wrote before posting.. I dind say the S37 flew in 2000, It was in the 1997, The Mig 1.44 was in the 2000 ... The Raptor flew in 1993 for the first time and shoots his first Aim9 Sidewinder in 1998.. I recomend u to do furter research u can go to aerospaceweb or to globalsecurity ...

2009 less 1993 is not equal to 20... simple maths

[adrastea99]

I actually confirmed the Berkut first flew then, there is no disagreement, the disagreement starts when you think that first flight prototypes can be immediately sold.... it takes some time

You said the MiG flew in 97, then you say 2000, so you admit you were wrong? OK

YF23, the prototype of F22 flew in 1990, so that is approx 20 years (and it's being take out lol)

SIMPLE MATH BRO

Don't argue with me anymore, I'm right here

[milvipes]

Nice flying, but awful cinematography.

[Shahen1999]

The Song is from Nightwish ! We will the fisrt second Nation which will get this Dragons

Pakistan + China Forever !

[shadowzerothree]

The clearest Zhu-hai J10 video I have seen so far. Thanks!

Hmm, it seems to have a very healthy power to weight ratio. I don't think the pilot even used after burners.

[iBigDipper]

No shit.

[TheLoofahBoy]

What song is this?

[Coolant06]

It's NEMO from Nightwish