Hitchens is so smart. Without reading him, I wouldn't have known that Saddam and Al Queda were in league together. I wouldn't have known what a just war the Iraq War was and that America was in imminent danger from Saddam. Hitchens taught me all of that, so believe everything he says without question.
4004 BC? The date Bishop Ussher chose in the 1600s? Wanna talk about what science thought in the 1600s? The Bible says zero about 4004 BC. You can pick on that small group of Creationists that hold to that date, I can too. Just don't think you are talking to mainstream Christianity when you do. If another person said the things Hitchens said about Saddam's links to Al Queda, atheists would have conniption fits ridiculing him. Amazing you are so quiet about Hitchen's ideas on that subject.
Hitchens didn't write this, he merely compiled the book. The passage was written by a chap called Michael Shermer. If you would like to criticize or praise Hitchens would you be so good as to do it on a relevent Hitchens video. Thanks.
A small group of Christians? Recent studies show that about half of all Americans believe in the young earth doctrine.
Furthermore, 44% are at least quite sure that Christ will return within the next 50 years, ushering in the end of days. This electorate incidentally holds nigh-on a nuclear monopoly over the entire world. Shit.
It depends on how it is asked. In my experience, the young earth creationists are a small minority and I have seen surveys that say that. If you ask it like "is it possible" then you will get a bigger group inculduing me, and I would hardly be called a creationist. Ask about 4004 BC and you would even get a tinier group as even many creationists don't hold to that date.
What? Nobody is harping over 4004! Young earth doctrine is both popular and wrong. Pick a side."
Well I am against Bishop Ussher's young earth doctrines. But I acknowledge he decided that crap in the 1600s when science was just as stupid about the earth. too bad some follow him still, but it isn't in the numbers that you believe.
Well, I agree that YECs are (fortunately) fewer and further between than we actually perceive but it does tend to be the YECs who shout the loudest. If you disagree with them then we are technically on the same side. Sensible, intelligent Christians (like DonExodus2) should also speak out against the YECs with us if they don't want to be tarred with the same brush.
Just understand that many Christians are as frustrated with YECs as atheists are. In particular, holding to the 4004BC date that was calculated by Bishop Ussher in the 1600s. People who who too ferbantly follow traditional things, like the 4004 date or Jesus being born on December 25th, are frustrating. The Bible doesn't mention either date. Someone decided cenruries later those were good dates to use, and YEC and others took it too much to heart.
Frustrated? I'll bet they are. The problem arises when because they shout the loudest they are the ones who non-Christians view as the Christian mouthpiece.
"Recent studies show that about half of all Americans ... young earth doctrine."
You are off by nearly a factor of ten. The denominations who do not follow it at all are Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Episcopalian/Anglican, Methodist, Lutherans and Presbyterians. Those denominations alone make up 85% of the Christian population. On the other side, you have a minority of Baptists and Pentecostals. At best we could say that some 5 to 6 % of US Christians are YE Creationists. Even fewer worldwide.
kinda odd that god has to rest at all isn't it? lol
zoxovox 3 years ago 3
Hitchens is so smart. Without reading him, I wouldn't have known that Saddam and Al Queda were in league together. I wouldn't have known what a just war the Iraq War was and that America was in imminent danger from Saddam. Hitchens taught me all of that, so believe everything he says without question.
Matur1n 3 years ago
Care to name a factual error?
tcrb2 3 years ago
4004 BC? The date Bishop Ussher chose in the 1600s? Wanna talk about what science thought in the 1600s? The Bible says zero about 4004 BC. You can pick on that small group of Creationists that hold to that date, I can too. Just don't think you are talking to mainstream Christianity when you do. If another person said the things Hitchens said about Saddam's links to Al Queda, atheists would have conniption fits ridiculing him. Amazing you are so quiet about Hitchen's ideas on that subject.
Matur1n 3 years ago
Hitchens didn't write this, he merely compiled the book. The passage was written by a chap called Michael Shermer. If you would like to criticize or praise Hitchens would you be so good as to do it on a relevent Hitchens video. Thanks.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
A small group of Christians? Recent studies show that about half of all Americans believe in the young earth doctrine.
Furthermore, 44% are at least quite sure that Christ will return within the next 50 years, ushering in the end of days. This electorate incidentally holds nigh-on a nuclear monopoly over the entire world. Shit.
tcrb2 3 years ago
It depends on how it is asked. In my experience, the young earth creationists are a small minority and I have seen surveys that say that. If you ask it like "is it possible" then you will get a bigger group inculduing me, and I would hardly be called a creationist. Ask about 4004 BC and you would even get a tinier group as even many creationists don't hold to that date.
Matur1n 3 years ago
10000 years is no less ignorant than 4004 years. The error is literally astronomical.
tcrb2 3 years ago
"10000 years is no less ignorant than 4004 years. The error is literally astronomical."
Then don't harp on 4004 as if that is what we all believe.
Matur1n 3 years ago
What? Nobody is harping over 4004! Young earth doctrine is both popular and wrong. Pick a side.
tcrb2 3 years ago
What? Nobody is harping over 4004! Young earth doctrine is both popular and wrong. Pick a side."
Well I am against Bishop Ussher's young earth doctrines. But I acknowledge he decided that crap in the 1600s when science was just as stupid about the earth. too bad some follow him still, but it isn't in the numbers that you believe.
Matur1n 3 years ago
Well, I agree that YECs are (fortunately) fewer and further between than we actually perceive but it does tend to be the YECs who shout the loudest. If you disagree with them then we are technically on the same side. Sensible, intelligent Christians (like DonExodus2) should also speak out against the YECs with us if they don't want to be tarred with the same brush.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
Just understand that many Christians are as frustrated with YECs as atheists are. In particular, holding to the 4004BC date that was calculated by Bishop Ussher in the 1600s. People who who too ferbantly follow traditional things, like the 4004 date or Jesus being born on December 25th, are frustrating. The Bible doesn't mention either date. Someone decided cenruries later those were good dates to use, and YEC and others took it too much to heart.
Matur1n 3 years ago
Frustrated? I'll bet they are. The problem arises when because they shout the loudest they are the ones who non-Christians view as the Christian mouthpiece.
Here's to common sense.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
"Recent studies show that about half of all Americans ... young earth doctrine."
You are off by nearly a factor of ten. The denominations who do not follow it at all are Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Episcopalian/Anglican, Methodist, Lutherans and Presbyterians. Those denominations alone make up 85% of the Christian population. On the other side, you have a minority of Baptists and Pentecostals. At best we could say that some 5 to 6 % of US Christians are YE Creationists. Even fewer worldwide.
Matur1n 3 years ago
Yes, God can do whatever he pleases, but he must prefer to do everything the hard way.
5erendipity 3 years ago 3
Agreed. God appears to be the most omnipotent, omniscient moron I've come across.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
humongous bean, man that was good.
Mr. Shermer is the Fifth Horseman of the unpocalypse!
windham666 3 years ago 2
Haha! Yeah, cheers.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
Very nice!
That Shermer guy really understands genesis...
And your reading isn't bad at all!
Atheistblindchick 3 years ago
Thank you. I am neurotic and my biggest critic. Terrible combination.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
Awesome! The part about fossils always reminds me of the Bill Hicks sketch were Jesus and God go around earth burying them just to trick people.
TheMilkEyedMender 3 years ago
Haha, Yeah! Thanks.
mungbeanman 3 years ago