ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS DOCTOR IS GUILTY IS AN IDIOT!!!....SORRY JUST MY THOUGHTS AS SHOULD BE THAT OF EVERYONE!!!.....BOY YOU REALLY KNOW WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE WHEN YOU ARE YOU TROUBLE..BECAUSE WHERE WAS THIS MANS...HUH..THIS WHOLE CASE JUST SOUNDS MESSED UP!!...POOR GUY PROBABLY WISHES HE HAD DIED TO!!...MY MOTHER WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID "YOUR FRIENDS ARE YOUR WORSE ENEMY"
Easy solution: how about he goes on "60 Minutes" and takes a polygraph in public? It isn't going to get him out of jail, but if he is allegedly innocent-at least he could partially redeem himself
@SOFSoldier1 MacDonald has taken a few polygraphs - failed ones done in the year after the murders, and then passed one years later. I think he is so practiced at his lies he can pass at this point.
WOULDNT YOU THINK IF HE WAS A DOCTOR & HE WANTED TO GET RID OF HIS FAMLY HE COULD OF DONE IT IN A MUCH MORE THOUGHT OUT WAY...TO ME THIS JUST DOESNT SOUND AT ALL LIKE A PLAN THAT A DOCTOR WITH PLENTY OF KNOWLEDGE TO KILL HIS FAMILY IN A MORE UNDETECTED WAY THEN THIS!!...JUST SOMETHING DONT SMELL RIGHT!!
@diamond40631 He didn't plan it - he and his wife got into a fight and he lost it - that's why he was convicted of 2nd degree murder for his wife and Kimberley's deaths.
@diamond40631 He's innocent! You're not going to get any rational discussion on this channel. These are the middle-aged supporters of his guilt. Some of them belong to the same age category as MacDonald's children if they were alive today. They are surrounded by assumptions and their hatred for Jeffrey MacDonald is obvious. Therefore, they will never look at the case with an open, objective mind. Even if you make a meal out them, they will still come back for more. Good luck! :)
Another thing: I know if I heard my mother fighting with strangers in the house I would have been up. Did the girls sleep through it? The girls were found in their own bed rooms dead, who placed them back in their rooms. How did the killers know which child belonged in what room? The truth is: They knew the person who was arguing with their mother, it was their father, they probably heard it a million times before and didn't get up. They couldn't have known he was going to kill them all.
He's quite the character, let me see how he has this: He's was trained for warfare and killing. That night killers come into the house, hit him on the head stab him a couple of times leave him alone. His wife and kids are repeatedly stabbed? Colette suffered two broken arms, skull fractured and she's pregnant. Why would they attack the girls and their mother in such a way,? why not him? He's the threat. Was Colette doing kungfu that night? He's crazy. He believes the public will be his lies.
There must at least be 2 icepicks, when Jeffrey MacDonald's version is correct: if he heard Collete scream whilst being attacked with the icepick, and Jeff at the same time, there must be at least 1 extra intruder carrying 1 extra icepick...
If there is so much "evidence" then why is MacDonald still in prison? Fact is that Jeffrey MacDonald lied - numerous times - Stoeckley's admissions don't match the evidence, i ask you Mr. Wonderfull: what proof of factual innocence can you provide?
@karmalevel IMO, MacDonald is already insane. I view psychopathy/sociopathy as insanity but that doesn't mean he isn't responsible for his actions or that he doesn't know right from wrong. It also doesn't mean that Mac should be receiving "treatment" somewhere; he's right where he belongs. But he is clearly mentally ill, similar to Ted Bundy, Scott Peterson, OJ Simpson, Joran Van Der Sloot, etc.
@jksonny yes for sure, but he sociopaths are legally sane, but crazy none the less, I meant that MAC would have either killed himself or had a nervous breakdown
If MacDonald pleaded guilty, show remorse, did not sue Joe Mcguiness he would now be free and spent the rest of his life living as a wealthy man, perhaps practice medicine in another country. Ultimately, MacDonald convicted himself.
Mr.Gwyka: That's so cute how you're making sentences start with the subject "There is also the possibility ..." and finishing with vague, truncated predicates. According to a real, qualified, physician (Dr. Rex Julian Beaber, Forensic Psychologist, at UCLA California) "Stoeckley was totally capable of recall, memory and accurate testimony. She even signed several confessions that she was involved." That certainly debunks your bullshit opinion about Stockley suffering from emotional disturbances.
@mrwonderfulman2011 I don't doubt that Stoeckley was capable of testifying accurately and that's exactly what she did when she said she had nothing to do with the MacDonald murders. She signed several confessions and they all varied wildly - who was involved, the motive, details of the home's interior, etc., etc. As mentioned by another viewer, she also claimed to have had sex with MacDonald himself. Since you apparently trust Stoeckley, which of her versions do you believe?
@jksonny You are like the Eye in the Sky! Well genius, I know Stoeckley was able to accurately recall the details of MacDonald's house so well she had to have been there before. I believe she was in the apartment on the night of the murders and that is enough evidence to suggest that Jeff MacDonald is nothing more than a suspect in this case. Old news! All the evidence can prove is that MacDonald was in his home with his family on the night of the murders, but he was not alone!
@mrwonderfulman2011 Stoeckley made her confessions after the whole world had detailed information about the interior from 544 Castle Drive, so go figure….Also, to this day Mac insists that he did not know for sure if the woman in the floppy hat carried a candle or a light, thus the wax found is worthless, unless of course it came inconclusively from Stoeckley. Since that is not the case, this also is worthless to the defense.
@karmalevel You and the rest of the fuckwits on this channel have me working overtime as I am utterly flabbergasted at your level of stupidy and subjectivity towards the entire case.
@mrwonderfulman2011 Anyone (which appears to mean everyone on this channel) is a fockwit and stupid because they don't see things Mr.WonderfullyDeluded's way. More of that web warrior "I'm living in mommy's basement mentality" - how cute!
@Gwyka That's the best come back you can do fuck shit? Did you make that up yourself or did you get some wino down the hall to come up with it? Oh, I am sure you’re a cute as a doll too buttercup! :)
@mrwonderfulman2011 Speaking of becoming, I've got you foaming at the mouth, spewing obscenitities 'cause you can't rely on civil, factual discussion.
@Gwyka Call me whatever you want, but I already know you're nothing more than some middle-aged mindfuck that has nothing better to do with his life than to come on here and degrade Jeffrey MacDonald, a man that you so desperately hate. I could never have any reasonable discussion with a useless, piece of shit like you! I've given you pages of factual information that support the innocence of MacDonald and you refuse to accept them because of your egotistic, subjective mind! Get a life!
@mrwonderfulman2011 You've given me nothing but the stale recitation of MacDonald's claims, which I've repeatedly refuted.
You know nothing about me and my life - even less than your objective knownledge of this case, if that's possible. Lots of exclamation points and calling me a fockwit don't change that, MrNotSoWonderful.
@Gwyka You remind me of the booger that I couldn't thump off when I was back in grade school. You haven't refuted or proven anything Champ. Keep telling yourself that though, if that's what it takes to convince that little brain of yours. :)
@karmalevel Go and watch more of Capt. Janks prank calls. It's so obvious that your mind is immature! Are you in anyway related to some turd named Gwyka?
@Gwyka You say MacDonald is guilty, that's fine! I say he's not! That's fine too! I don't like you! You don't like me! We can agree on that at least! Now stop messaging me fuckwit!
"Colette was being bludgeoned on the bed...blood was everywhere...I started screaming and the other left and then I took Colette's pulse as she lay on the bed...she was dead".
Seeing the VERY HEAVY LARGE blood stains where the victims where found, you'd think there would be a noticeable blood stain on the master bed, given Helena's statement that Colette died there, yet I don't see any blood on the bed.
Could this be an inconsistency between Helena's statements and the evidence?
@Gwyka In comparision to MacDonald's and Stoeckley's statements prove NOTHING about Jeff killing Colette or the children! Stoeckley admitted that she was in the house while people were being brutally attacked and dying! That is all the proof needed to understand that MacDonald should not be the only man held accountable for the murders. He is a suspect and nothing more. All the evidence proves that he was in his house and evidentially, he was not the only one you useless, shit for brains!
@mrwonderfulman2011 There is also the possibility that Stoeckley's "confessions" were the ramblings of an emotionally disturbed woman hungry for attention, who actually had nothing to do with the crimes.
@Gwyka "There is also the possibility that Stoeckley's "confessions" were the ramblings of an emotionally disturbed woman hungry for attention, who actually had nothing to do with the crimes." And that is your expert opinion Doctor Dipshit? If Stoeckley was so disturbed, then why in the HELL was she used as a drug snitch for police departments? She was considered quite reliable to provide statments to cops with the information to make arrests for over 200 drug related crimes?
Another gem from Helena's confessions: "I had sexual intercoarse (sic) with MacDonald about 2 weeks before the murders". Dontcha think he would remember that?
@Hoth1907 You want to convince me you know what you are talking about, then give specific answers. You only give away your ignorance when you cannot back up your claims with proof. Happy New Year!
@jksonny If the govt. had a confession of Stoeckley, on tape, then why would Jim Blackburn threaten her with an indictment of 1 degree murder? Another example of how desperate the MacDonald lawyers are to earn themselves a golden name for getting him out.
I hope that those who railroaded this poor guy, including The Three Slimebuckets (Judge Franklin T. Dupree, Jr.; Prosecutor James Blackburn; Prosecuting Assistant Brian Murtagh) burn their balls eternally in hell!!
Convenient how someone can state Helena was "reliable", but NOOOOOO - let's not mention/ask about how reliable she was when she testified at trial. And what about her statement when she was picked up on a material witness warrent during the trial (not by Jimmy Britt, or that letter she wrote to Prince Beasley saying he and Ted had twisted her statement and made a mockery of justice.
@mrwonderful: first of all, if you wish to discuss with me, please be polite. Helena Stoeckley confessed time and again, changed her story over and over again and that is a fact. Unfortunately for MacDonald, her confessions were totally contradictional to the evidence. It is my belief that MacDonald was very lucky that Sgt. Ken Mica saw a woman matching Helena's description and that his PJ bottom and the piece of skin found under Collete's fingernail and the garbage was lost too. But i respect
@Hoth1907 Stoeckley's confessions were contradictional to the evidence? Where in the hell are you getting this information from? Confessions from Stoeckley to Gunderson included everything that matched the inside of MacDonald’s house such as the presence of a rocking horse, jewellery box, barking dog next door, stabbings on the children, vehicles in driveways? No wait, that was just a coincidence right?
@mrwonderfulman2011 How about this for an inconsistency? Her confessions do not match what MacDonald says happened. She says that when they arrived, they talked to Macdonald for about 8 minutes, and asked him to get them drugs. He agreed and then used the phone, but tried to call the MPs instead. Nothing in his rendition of events matches that.
@Gwyka Stoeckley was there and that is convincing enough for me to infer that she was involved in killing MacDonald's family. She made confessions that she knew Jeff and could accurately identify property inside his house, vehicles outside the residence, and wounds inflicted on the children. Try looking at both sides of the story, fuckwit. Sure, there will be some inconsistencies, but you have so much confirmation bias on this issue, it's sick! Like you'd know though? You're so simple!
@mrwonderfulman2011 She only talked about the jewelry box and rocking horse after Segal showed her pics of the crime scene at trial.
Follow your own advice, and consider that when someone is guilty, there may still be a couple of unexplained unknowns as long as the perpetrator doesn't man up - in this case, a couple of unknown hairs.
Your insults mean less than nothing to me - they just make you sound like what I think you are - pathetic dude living in his mom's basement.
@Hoth1907 If you are going to be a skeptic, be skeptical about everything, not just one side of the story, Sherlock Holmes. That's called "Confirmation Bias," you really need to get your facts more straight.
Jeffrey MacDonald lied about the fact that he and some green beret buddies killed one of the intruders only because he knew he easily could lie about it because there actually were no intruders at all. In others words: why would a suspect, who claims to be bright, agressive and always " help" people put himself in such a position?
@Hoth1907 If Jeff MacDonald killed his wife and children during a quote on quote fit of rage, then why would he within very little time, come up with an entire bullshit story involving four perpetrators, a woman with a floppy hat, boots, and carrying a candle/light with three other men and then having the focus to stab himself repeatedly in a mirror, collapsing his lung (with fatal consequences) and then clubbing himself until he passes out on the body of his wife until police arrive?
@Hoth1907 Just figured I would pitch that question out again since it was uncharacteristically unanswered the first time. I guess my questions seem rhetorical on account there is plausible answer for them? If Jeffrey MacDonald was guilty, there would certainly be answers? LOL!
@mrwonderfull: so you are saying that she was reliable as a witness and testified as such? Then it absolutely makes no sense that Britt claimed that Blackburn threatened her, now does it?
@Hoth1907Did I say she testified? Read over my comments more carefully. I feel like I am talking to illiterate folks here, maybe I am? Try to get this through your head if you won't consider anything else I say ... I cannot prove the innocence of Jeff MacDonald any more than you or any other shit for brain can prove he is guilty. All the evidence showed was that he was in his house on the night of the murders and nothing more.
@TEAMCOLI No, you see, people are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty. You say he's guilty, then prove it? You haven't provided any consistent, reliable information/evidence/sources that suggests anything about Jeffrey MacDonald being the REAL killer here. No one has, and that is why I am not convinced about the entire decision of the jury, let alone convicting him for three life sentences without being 100% sure! If it was your life here, wouldn't you feel the same? LOL!
@mrwonderfullydeludedman2011 Techically, MacDonald is guilty. He stands convicted and is in prison. Don't tell me you need someone to prove that to you? I've asked if you live in your parents' basement, but am wondering if you actually live under a rock somewhere on another planet?
@Hoth1907 Actually, Stoeckley made confessions of guilt within 24 hours after the murders; however, CID police detectives made no attempt to investigate her involvement in the crimes. They told Stoeckley to let the sleeping dogs die and deny any involvement in the case. Who really knows what the consequences would have been if she opened her mouth in the early stages of the investigation?
@Hoth1907 Stoeckley was also drug informant working for the police services and was very capable of providing the authorities with information about suspects involved in hundreds of drug related crimes. Her confessions were without any doubt RELIABLE!
@mrwonderfulman2011 Helena was very emotionally troubled and desperate for attention, so much so that she would sell out her drug buddies for a little money and attention from the police.
@TEAMCOLI LOL! You haven't made one convincing statement since the moment you came on after watching a Tom and Jerry cartoon! Well said genius! Now you think I am Jeffrey MacDonald? LOL! Jeffrey MacDonald is in prison and has no access to the Internet and cannot comment on this channel. LOL! Get some help for yourself! Cheers!
@TEAMCOLI Run away while you can! You know nothing about this case. Just keep talking out of your anus and look at your shoes when you get beat down with facts! LOL!
@TEAMCOLI Kiss your mother with that mouth? LOL! Is that all you can say now? Whatever happened to your brilliant knowledge about this case? LOLLLLL! You just made my day champ! :)
@TEAMCOLI "Thanks I just wrote a novel to that muthafucka!! He's gonna be tight!!" What a joke! Here I am back an hour later responding to your brilliant novel. LOL! In closing, all the evidence convicting MacDonald in 1979 only proved that Jeff was in his home when the murders took place. That's all. There is NO reliable, convincing evidence that proves that Jeff MacDonald committed murder! All you can do, it talk out of your anus, but don't worry champ, you're not the only one! :)
@TEAMCOLI It is obvious that this case is a cover up and involves a lot of military drug operations during the Vietnam years and without a doubt, the incompetence and the mishandling of evidence by the Army Criminal Investigation Division. Gunderson was involved on the front lines of this case and knows a hell of a lot more you or any other dummy will ever know about this case. Jeffrey MacDonald is a victim of injustice! Sorry if you don't like hearing the TRUTH champ!
@TEAMCOLI Take a look at a video called MacDonald Case, Comments by Ted Gunderson, 2001 "Fatal Vision” and you will see Gunderson discussing the innocence of MacDonald and how there is still DNA testing from 1997 that is still sitting on the judge’s desk that will prove that there were “hair fibres with root” found on the bodies of the children that did not match any hair fibres belonging to Jeff MacDonald and no one will investigate it any further.
@TEAMCOLI Stombaugh reversed six of the 13 directions in order to "match up" the 48 in pajama top holes with 21 wounds on Colette. He also failed to consider the other wounds on Colette; and there was a huge discrepancy between the depth of wounds in his experiment compared to the wounds inflicted on Collette’s body; however, the grand jury thought of this as so believable and convincing. Ridiculous!
@TEAMCOLI Oh yes, the famous pajama top experiment! So, MacDonald put his pajama top over the body of Collette and stabbed her over and over again through the garment? And within 2 weeks, LOL, Paul Stombaugh was able to match up the holes in the pajama top with the wounds in Collette’s chest? What a joke! Did you know that he cheated to do this? LOL!
@TEAMCOLI Dr. MacDonald also suffered multiple wounds in the assault. Many doctors confirmed that MacDonald suffered multiple ice pick and knife stab wounds and trauma to his head and left arm. One stab wound penetrated his right chest, collapsing his lung and narrowly missing his liver. Jeff MacDonald was treated with two separate chest tubes being surgically placed inside his chest to re-expand his collapsed lung. No, he needed a lot more than just a band aid actually. LOL!
@TEAMCOLI “WHY WOULDN'T THEY TAKE THE DAMN DRUGS THAT WAS IN THE MEDICINE CABINET??????!!!!!" Wow! The case cracker! Whoever said they were really after drugs? First of all, Helena Stoeckley did admit to being part of a drug "cult" that even slaughtered animals and involved violence/stabbings. Could it have been possible that the MacDonald murders involved her initiation into a Satan crazed cult? You cannot analyze the minds of drug crazed hippies or can you? LOL!
@mrnwonderfulman2011(in your own mind): Helena said they wanted drugs. According to her confession, she said when they first arrived, they talked to MacDonald for about 8 minutes about getting them drugs, he said he would call someone to get drugs, but he tried to call the MPs instead. Somehow your hero's recitation of the events that evening doesn't include anything about this. According to MacDonald, he doesn't remember anything about this because of retrograde amensia.
@Gwyka Ted Gunderson is dead and it is very unfortunate!! I like how everyone keeps talking out of their anus (typical) about how someone would have to be crazy or delusional to consider the accuracy of Helena’s confessions while having NO qualifications in the field of human behaviour. LOL!
@mrwonderfulman2011 Gunderson served as a spokesperson for a fake Downs Syndrome cure, he believed that the Governement is poisoning people with jet chemtrails, he sold services to people trying to get rid of black helecopters. That's just for starters.
One does not need to be a professional in the field of human behavior to know crazy. Then there are people like you who are blinded by adoration of a horrible murderer such that they can't see the obvious.
@Gwyka I am aware however that Ted Gunderson had Rex Beaber examine and polygraph Stoeckley back in the day and Beaber concluded that she was very capable of remembering everything she did on the night of the MacDonald murders and her testimony was considered very reliable.
@mrwonderfulman2011 So why is MacDonald's recitation of events so wildly divergent from Helena's? Another example: Helena stated that she had sex with Macdonald a couple of weeks before the murders. He doesn't remember that, or her?
@Gwyka You can say whatever you want about Gunderson; however, it was his work that produced the signed confessions from Helena S. and he did invest thousands of hours studying this case. I have been responding to your questions for about a year now and have yet to ask a single question. So, here goes.
@mrwonderfulman2011 You've asked me plenty of rhetorical questions and demanded that I proves lots of things (a question ended with an exclamation point!), which I have. That you are totally intransigent in terms of your belief in obvious bull from a horrible murderer is your problem.
@Gwyka LOL! And you have once again failed to answer my question. Old news! You are providing answers to your own mindless questions. You are nevertheless making assumptions now. You don't know if Ms. Helena was "emotionally troubled" on account you have never met her, examined her and quite clearly lack the qualifications to do so. There are many sources that have shown that her confessions are indeed reliable and sufficient enough to be held admissible in court.
@mrwonderfulman2011 I've read documentation from her mental hospitalizations, and statements from people who did know her. A sad, troubled person. You didn't know her personally, either, and me thinks the "multiple sources" are in your head, maybe your sockpuppets.
@mrwonderfulman2011 And you can ignore that Gunderson was a self-promoting conspiracy nut, who shilled for a "cure" for Downs Syndrome, claiming that lack of FDA approval was evidence of - guess what?? Yet another government conspiracy!
@Gwyka "And you can ignore that Gunderson was a self-promoting conspiracy nut" This is completely irrelevant to the case!
"lying and making sh*t up comes easily to him - the trip to Russia he made up to get away from pregnant Colette" This proves nothing about the murders!
"pointing out to you that MacDonald's own website states that he lied about killing one of the intruders?" This proves NOTHING about the murders!
"I've asked if you live in your parent's basement ..." You're fucked!
@Gwyka If Jeff MacDonald killed his wife and children during a quote on quote fit of rage, then why would he within very little time, come up with an entire bullshit story involving four perpetrators, a woman with a floppy hat, boots, and carrying a candle/light with three other men and then having the focus to stab himself repeatedly in a mirror, collapsing his lung (with fatal consequences) and then clubbing himself until he passes out on the body of his wife until police arrive?
Coming up with a BS story - lying and making sh*t up comes easily to him - the trip to Russia he made up to get away from pregnant Colette. You believe every word he's ever said, still believing even when MacDonald himself has stated he lied. Or did I miss your post were you thanked me for helpfully pointing out to you that MacDonald's own website states that he lied about killing one of the intruders?
@Gwyka Brisentine polygraphed Stoeckley and agreed without any doubt that she was at the crime scene on the night of the MacDonald murders and also knew who else was involved. It’s such a shame this information was not heard at the trial! ): Old news!
@mrwonderfulman2011 Helena's interview with Brisentine - she's all over the place, playing her emotionally distrurbed, attention seeking games. And the fact that there is not one iota of physcial evidence of her at the scene.
@Gwyka Stoeckley was polygraphed again after the trial and the results confirmed that she committed the crimes! Now she’s dead and this is also very unfortunate for the sake of Jeffrey MacDonald. This case is not too hard to figure out geniuses! Jeffrey MacDonald is a victim of injustice!
@Gwyka I agree! Jeffrey MacDonald is in prison and he just may stay there for the rest of his life, BUT he shouldn’t have to because he’s an innocent man! It’s a real shame the wrong man is behind bars! ):
@TEAMCOLI As for the famous Esquire magazine and the blood found on the cover, well, it was confirmed (year later) that the magazine was handled by many C.I.D. agents before blood was ever found on it. There were also several fingerprints on the magazine that were identified as Army investigators fingerprints and to this day, there is one unknown fingerprint that was never confirmed.
@TEAMCOLI Anyway, it appears to me that you are solely relying on the movie “Fatal Vision” for approximately 90% of the information you have written down over the past few days and then posted within the last couple of hours.
@TEAMCOLI Merry Christmas to you too my smart friend! :) I really like how you take off for a few days and do a little research about the case and come back thinking you have all the answers. LOL! By the way, it’s duel, not dew ell. LOL! First of all, try to think of one scenario at a time and we can go from there. Try to use some lower case letters too. Your grammar evidentially needs some work. You don’t sound anymore convincing champ!
Also, Mac said the woman in the floppy hat was holding either a candle or a flashlight. So, he wasn't sure, then why is the wax found such a big issue, since he stated even under oath that he was not 100% sure if it was a candle?
Mac said in many interviews that he washed his hands as a routine because he was a medic. Question: why didn't he do everything as a routine that night? Like call for help, turn on the lights, turn Colette and kids in the right position for CPR, give detailed info about the conditions to the arriving medics? The only true info he gave was about him....
@Hoth1907 A man wakes up and finds his family horribly murdered. What does this guy do? He washes his hands??? He needed to explain his blood in the bathroom, which got there when he gave himself that chest wound. I also recall reading his interview with the CID where he made comments about not wanting to go to the neighbors for help because they were "nosy" and "fat". How is it that anyone believes a word this guy has ever said?
MrNotSoWonderful: I've proved a few things here, following BS statements of yours and when you've demanded that I prove something I've said. E.g., "Prove that Jeff ever said he killed one of the intruders!" (it's on MacDonald's own website) "There is no evidence Jeff was scratched!" (MacDonald himself stated he was scratched during early CID interviews); "Prove DNA testing matched the hair in Colette's left hand to Jeff!" (it's in MacDonald's own 2006 motion to add predicate). Etc., etc.
@Gwyka Good points. To conclude that Mac is the murderer, one does not have to rely on the book/movie 'Fatal Vision' or on Fred Kassab or on Brian Murtagh or on anyone else. The proof is in the court documentation; the forensic evidence and, most importantly, MacDonald's own ridiculous testimony. IMO, anyone that reads Mac's grand jury testimony and comes away doubting his guilt is, at best, borderline delusional.
@jksonny MacDonald's medical exam listed 17 stab wounds and three blunt traumas to the head. Jeff received emergency surgery at Womack to re-inflate his lung which had collapsed due to one of the stab wounds to his chest area. You're right genius! I think you would have to be delusional to invision how any man could successfully stab himself 17 times and club himself to the point of being found unconscious and breathing with only one lung. Great point! :)
@mrwonderfulman2011 Which medical exam are you referring to? To the best of my recollection, none of the E/R exams contain this information (even Mac said he only had two head wounds).
As for being knocked unconscious, according to Mac's own testimony, he did not lose consciousness until well AFTER being struck with the club. He claims to have fought with the hippies for a significant period before passing out. So, the club did not cause uncounsciousness.
@jksonny In Fatal Justice, Bost and Potter reviewed the hospital report of MacDonald's medical exam which listed 17 stab wounds and three blunt traumas to the head. If you take some time out of your busy Youtube schedule and read it, you will see there is another side that was completely overlooked. I like how you keep referring to only the information given in the novel Fatal Vision and the movie that followed afterward. You are indeed more stupid than you look. Have a nice day. :)
@mrwonderfulman2011 As I've stated, I'm getting my information from court documents and transcripts. The two doctors that examined MacDonald in the E/R (including the doctor that performed his surgery) listed the exact same wounds: one head contusion, two superficial lacerations (one on the abdomen, the other on his left arm) and a 20% collapse of one lung. That's all they saw and they certainly have no reason to lie. Meanwhile, his family was slaughtered.
@mrwonderfulman2011 I wanna know how someone can be stabbed that many times and (other than that neat, incised, straight in chest wound) not even need a bandaid.
@jksonny Youre exactly right I live right near Ft Bragg I was born in 72 but this story has always been talked about around here, imo i think they had been arguing earlier possibly about his cheating on her and after she got back from night school Kimmy laid down with her wet the bed Macdonald probably spanked the child then Colette defending her child maybe hit him with the hairbrush and it snowballed he flew into a rage .But yeah read court transcript no doubt hes guilty as hell!
@TEAMCOLI Congrats! You are evidentially another mindless mutant that talks completely out of your anus!! I wish I could shake your hand and congratulate you on being an idiot, but since I cannot do that, I will have a discussion with you and leave you looking at your shoes! Since you appear to be so in touch with this case and so resourceful, then I am sure you can provide some reliable, convincing evidence that proves the guilt of Jeffrey MacDonald? Let's have it??
@mrwonderfulman2011 How many times have you had this "conversation" with various posters here? Your entertainment value is nil - you're become a sad spectacle, repeating your lame mantras of support for a horrible murderer rotting in prison.
@Gwyka Was I talking to you genius? What a joke! You haven't proved one thing on this channel and keep repeating the same statements ... Jeff is guilty ... he's rotting in prison ... he'll never get out! All the garbage you provided from previous discussions can refuted over and over again. Nothing you have said has any reliable value or credibility. It's so obvious you talk out of your anus and look at this case from a subjective point of view. You can't see beyond your nose!
@mrwonderfulman2011 If you're fed up with talking to stupid people, it must be really frustrating sitting at the dinner table with your family. You should get a job and move out of your mom and dad's basement.
@Gwyka I know you are but what am I? You want to play immature meathead? I am not the one who lives on this channel each and every day. It's obvious that you check the comments on this channel every hour on the hour. I just come on here when some moron drops me a brainless line. You are the one who clearly needs to get a life, get a job, get laid, get a brain, get a dick, and so forth. When I was referring to stupid people, I wasn't considering you to be any exception! :)
it makes perfect sense that a troupe of hippies made their way on to a military base and broke into an officer's barracks exclaiming "acid is groovy, kill the pigs".
@karmalevel You know Paul Bernardo personally do you? There are many differences between Bernardo and MacDonald. First, there is actual video taped evidence that showed Bernardo killing two teenage girls. There is NO reliable evidence that proves anything about MacDonald killing his wife and daughters. Bernardo admits to the killings, whereas MacDonald maintains his innocence. Bernardo tried to commit suicide, MacDonald has never. Paul Bernardo is a killer, Jeffrey MacDonald is not!
@mrwonderfulman2011 They are both convicted of being horrible murderers and are rotting away in prison. Bernardo has a leg up on MacDonald in that he admits what is plainly obvious.
@Gwyka "Bernardo has a leg up on MacDonald" Anyone who gives any credit toward Paul Bernardo is clearly of low human taste! Sorry, couldn't resist! :)
@mrwonderfulman2011 That's rich coming from someone who gives nothing but credit to the horrible small child and pregnant wife murderer MacDonald. Everyone, including Bernardo, has a leg up on you in terms of smelling bull.
@Gwyka You would have a point there IF Jeffrey MacDonald was a killer, but he's not! There is NO reliable evidence to prove this! However, we all can conclude that Bernardo is indeed a killer and there is REAL evidence "video tapes" to prove this and not to mention a plea bargain/confessions from his former wife and you give credit to this man?? You are the lowest of low! Makes me sick to breathe the same air! Get some professional help for yourself!
@mrwonderfulman2011 MacDonald has been saying that for years! 30+ years. He is going no where. Well, he did recently get a trip from Cumberland Federal prison to a local jail.
How in the phuck could none of the neighbors not hear this ? Ive lived in military apartments for years and most are not well enough insulated from the neighbors.
Just a thought: if Jeffrey maintaines all along that he is innocent, then why did he lie to Freddy Kassab about him and a couple of green beret buddys tracked down and kill one of the assaillants?
@Hoth1907 Around the same time he was telling this lie (he also told Bob Stern he had tracked down and killed one of the intruders - so much for his statement that he told the lie to Freddie 'cause he was trying to comfort him), he also said to an army buddy, "I forgive the ones who did this." This was about 2 months after the murders.
He wanted people to get off his back and to forget about it. That's why he told lies like this.
Why are you usings Caps? To underline your opinion? The court proved his guilt, he lost all of his appeals, i suggest you accept this case as closed!
Hoth1907 2 hours ago
ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS DOCTOR IS GUILTY IS AN IDIOT!!!....SORRY JUST MY THOUGHTS AS SHOULD BE THAT OF EVERYONE!!!.....BOY YOU REALLY KNOW WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE WHEN YOU ARE YOU TROUBLE..BECAUSE WHERE WAS THIS MANS...HUH..THIS WHOLE CASE JUST SOUNDS MESSED UP!!...POOR GUY PROBABLY WISHES HE HAD DIED TO!!...MY MOTHER WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID "YOUR FRIENDS ARE YOUR WORSE ENEMY"
diamond40631 12 hours ago
Here we go again...If Jeffrey is indeed innocent, then why is he still in prison and did he lost all of his appeals?
Hoth1907 5 days ago
a cold blooded murderer...and his ego got him caught...
phil4508 1 week ago
he saw 4 people? yeah is wife and two daughters and his unborn son
karmalevel 2 weeks ago
no real emotion from Macdonald
karmalevel 2 weeks ago
Easy solution: how about he goes on "60 Minutes" and takes a polygraph in public? It isn't going to get him out of jail, but if he is allegedly innocent-at least he could partially redeem himself
SOFSoldier1 3 weeks ago
He's guilty as hell. If he's "innocent"-have him take a public polygraph...if for nothing else-to at least make a public statement
SOFSoldier1 3 weeks ago
@SOFSoldier1 MacDonald has taken a few polygraphs - failed ones done in the year after the murders, and then passed one years later. I think he is so practiced at his lies he can pass at this point.
Gwyka 2 weeks ago
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@Gwyka "I think he is so practiced at his lies he can pass at this point." You think? You need to get a brain first.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 week ago
WOULDNT YOU THINK IF HE WAS A DOCTOR & HE WANTED TO GET RID OF HIS FAMLY HE COULD OF DONE IT IN A MUCH MORE THOUGHT OUT WAY...TO ME THIS JUST DOESNT SOUND AT ALL LIKE A PLAN THAT A DOCTOR WITH PLENTY OF KNOWLEDGE TO KILL HIS FAMILY IN A MORE UNDETECTED WAY THEN THIS!!...JUST SOMETHING DONT SMELL RIGHT!!
diamond40631 3 weeks ago
@diamond40631 He didn't plan it - he and his wife got into a fight and he lost it - that's why he was convicted of 2nd degree murder for his wife and Kimberley's deaths.
Gwyka 3 weeks ago
@diamond40631 He's innocent! You're not going to get any rational discussion on this channel. These are the middle-aged supporters of his guilt. Some of them belong to the same age category as MacDonald's children if they were alive today. They are surrounded by assumptions and their hatred for Jeffrey MacDonald is obvious. Therefore, they will never look at the case with an open, objective mind. Even if you make a meal out them, they will still come back for more. Good luck! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 1 week ago
Another thing: I know if I heard my mother fighting with strangers in the house I would have been up. Did the girls sleep through it? The girls were found in their own bed rooms dead, who placed them back in their rooms. How did the killers know which child belonged in what room? The truth is: They knew the person who was arguing with their mother, it was their father, they probably heard it a million times before and didn't get up. They couldn't have known he was going to kill them all.
TheNiteowll 1 month ago
He's quite the character, let me see how he has this: He's was trained for warfare and killing. That night killers come into the house, hit him on the head stab him a couple of times leave him alone. His wife and kids are repeatedly stabbed? Colette suffered two broken arms, skull fractured and she's pregnant. Why would they attack the girls and their mother in such a way,? why not him? He's the threat. Was Colette doing kungfu that night? He's crazy. He believes the public will be his lies.
TheNiteowll 1 month ago
There must at least be 2 icepicks, when Jeffrey MacDonald's version is correct: if he heard Collete scream whilst being attacked with the icepick, and Jeff at the same time, there must be at least 1 extra intruder carrying 1 extra icepick...
Hoth1907 1 month ago
If there is so much "evidence" then why is MacDonald still in prison? Fact is that Jeffrey MacDonald lied - numerous times - Stoeckley's admissions don't match the evidence, i ask you Mr. Wonderfull: what proof of factual innocence can you provide?
Hoth1907 1 month ago
If he was truly innocent, he would have gone insane by now!!!
karmalevel 1 month ago
@karmalevel IMO, MacDonald is already insane. I view psychopathy/sociopathy as insanity but that doesn't mean he isn't responsible for his actions or that he doesn't know right from wrong. It also doesn't mean that Mac should be receiving "treatment" somewhere; he's right where he belongs. But he is clearly mentally ill, similar to Ted Bundy, Scott Peterson, OJ Simpson, Joran Van Der Sloot, etc.
jksonny 1 month ago 3
@jksonny yes for sure, but he sociopaths are legally sane, but crazy none the less, I meant that MAC would have either killed himself or had a nervous breakdown
karmalevel 1 month ago
If MacDonald pleaded guilty, show remorse, did not sue Joe Mcguiness he would now be free and spent the rest of his life living as a wealthy man, perhaps practice medicine in another country. Ultimately, MacDonald convicted himself.
Hoth1907 1 month ago
Mr.Gwyka: That's so cute how you're making sentences start with the subject "There is also the possibility ..." and finishing with vague, truncated predicates. According to a real, qualified, physician (Dr. Rex Julian Beaber, Forensic Psychologist, at UCLA California) "Stoeckley was totally capable of recall, memory and accurate testimony. She even signed several confessions that she was involved." That certainly debunks your bullshit opinion about Stockley suffering from emotional disturbances.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 I don't doubt that Stoeckley was capable of testifying accurately and that's exactly what she did when she said she had nothing to do with the MacDonald murders. She signed several confessions and they all varied wildly - who was involved, the motive, details of the home's interior, etc., etc. As mentioned by another viewer, she also claimed to have had sex with MacDonald himself. Since you apparently trust Stoeckley, which of her versions do you believe?
jksonny 1 month ago
@jksonny You are like the Eye in the Sky! Well genius, I know Stoeckley was able to accurately recall the details of MacDonald's house so well she had to have been there before. I believe she was in the apartment on the night of the murders and that is enough evidence to suggest that Jeff MacDonald is nothing more than a suspect in this case. Old news! All the evidence can prove is that MacDonald was in his home with his family on the night of the murders, but he was not alone!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 So, if you believe Stoeckley, give me your version of what happened that night.
jksonny 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Stoeckley made her confessions after the whole world had detailed information about the interior from 544 Castle Drive, so go figure….Also, to this day Mac insists that he did not know for sure if the woman in the floppy hat carried a candle or a light, thus the wax found is worthless, unless of course it came inconclusively from Stoeckley. Since that is not the case, this also is worthless to the defense.
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@mrwonderfulman2011 Man, jeff has you working overtime I see? so sad and what a waste of life
karmalevel 1 month ago
@karmalevel You and the rest of the fuckwits on this channel have me working overtime as I am utterly flabbergasted at your level of stupidy and subjectivity towards the entire case.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Anyone (which appears to mean everyone on this channel) is a fockwit and stupid because they don't see things Mr.WonderfullyDeluded's way. More of that web warrior "I'm living in mommy's basement mentality" - how cute!
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka That's the best come back you can do fuck shit? Did you make that up yourself or did you get some wino down the hall to come up with it? Oh, I am sure you’re a cute as a doll too buttercup! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 You go, Mr.WebWarrior!
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka Get that last word in fuck shit! That word is very becoming of you! I like it! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Speaking of becoming, I've got you foaming at the mouth, spewing obscenitities 'cause you can't rely on civil, factual discussion.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka Call me whatever you want, but I already know you're nothing more than some middle-aged mindfuck that has nothing better to do with his life than to come on here and degrade Jeffrey MacDonald, a man that you so desperately hate. I could never have any reasonable discussion with a useless, piece of shit like you! I've given you pages of factual information that support the innocence of MacDonald and you refuse to accept them because of your egotistic, subjective mind! Get a life!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 You've given me nothing but the stale recitation of MacDonald's claims, which I've repeatedly refuted.
You know nothing about me and my life - even less than your objective knownledge of this case, if that's possible. Lots of exclamation points and calling me a fockwit don't change that, MrNotSoWonderful.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka You remind me of the booger that I couldn't thump off when I was back in grade school. You haven't refuted or proven anything Champ. Keep telling yourself that though, if that's what it takes to convince that little brain of yours. :)
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Harkening back to grade school - I guess not much has happened in your life since then.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka you rock!
karmalevel 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Kat, that was not lady like, you come across so classy!
karmalevel 1 month ago
@karmalevel Go and watch more of Capt. Janks prank calls. It's so obvious that your mind is immature! Are you in anyway related to some turd named Gwyka?
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Janks is funny! you need some humor in your life, don't let jeff steal all your joy!!
karmalevel 1 month ago
@Gwyka You say MacDonald is guilty, that's fine! I say he's not! That's fine too! I don't like you! You don't like me! We can agree on that at least! Now stop messaging me fuckwit!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 So her testimony at trial and the statement she gave when she was picked up on the material witness warent are reliable?
Gwyka 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 if Stoeckley`s confessions had any worth, why would the govt. railroad MacDonald if they could indict Stoeckley?????
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@mrwonderfulman2011 jeff, how did you get near a computer?
karmalevel 1 month ago
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@karmalevel Are your parents siblings trollgirl? Get out of the research arena, you are not equipped.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
Helena stated, "Al Mazerole was one of the cult members who committed the murders."
Yet Al Mazerole was in jail and couldn't possbility have been at the scene of the crime.
Seems like the only consistency about Helena's "confessions" is that they were inconsistent.
Gwyka 1 month ago
"Colette was being bludgeoned on the bed...blood was everywhere...I started screaming and the other left and then I took Colette's pulse as she lay on the bed...she was dead".
Seeing the VERY HEAVY LARGE blood stains where the victims where found, you'd think there would be a noticeable blood stain on the master bed, given Helena's statement that Colette died there, yet I don't see any blood on the bed.
Could this be an inconsistency between Helena's statements and the evidence?
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka In comparision to MacDonald's and Stoeckley's statements prove NOTHING about Jeff killing Colette or the children! Stoeckley admitted that she was in the house while people were being brutally attacked and dying! That is all the proof needed to understand that MacDonald should not be the only man held accountable for the murders. He is a suspect and nothing more. All the evidence proves that he was in his house and evidentially, he was not the only one you useless, shit for brains!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 There is also the possibility that Stoeckley's "confessions" were the ramblings of an emotionally disturbed woman hungry for attention, who actually had nothing to do with the crimes.
Gwyka 1 month ago
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@Gwyka "There is also the possibility that Stoeckley's "confessions" were the ramblings of an emotionally disturbed woman hungry for attention, who actually had nothing to do with the crimes." And that is your expert opinion Doctor Dipshit? If Stoeckley was so disturbed, then why in the HELL was she used as a drug snitch for police departments? She was considered quite reliable to provide statments to cops with the information to make arrests for over 200 drug related crimes?
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
Another gem from Helena's confessions: "I had sexual intercoarse (sic) with MacDonald about 2 weeks before the murders". Dontcha think he would remember that?
Gwyka 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman: you can lower yourself to every level you want. Best wishes for 2012!
Hoth1907 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 You want to convince me you know what you are talking about, then give specific answers. You only give away your ignorance when you cannot back up your claims with proof. Happy New Year!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
Consider this: why would the govt. railroad MacDonald if they could convict Helena Stoeckley?
Hoth1907 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 Exactly. Wouldn't the Army/govt. prefer to convict a bunch of drug-crazed hippies as opposed to prosecuting on of their own?
jksonny 1 month ago
@jksonny If the govt. had a confession of Stoeckley, on tape, then why would Jim Blackburn threaten her with an indictment of 1 degree murder? Another example of how desperate the MacDonald lawyers are to earn themselves a golden name for getting him out.
Hoth1907 1 month ago
I hope that those who railroaded this poor guy, including The Three Slimebuckets (Judge Franklin T. Dupree, Jr.; Prosecutor James Blackburn; Prosecuting Assistant Brian Murtagh) burn their balls eternally in hell!!
DavidCT333 1 month ago
@DavidCT333 How about the "real killers"? Hmmmm - any anger directed at them?
Gwyka 1 month ago
@DavidCT333 Jeffrey MacDonald was not only railroaded, but is living as a victim of injustice!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
Convenient how someone can state Helena was "reliable", but NOOOOOO - let's not mention/ask about how reliable she was when she testified at trial. And what about her statement when she was picked up on a material witness warrent during the trial (not by Jimmy Britt, or that letter she wrote to Prince Beasley saying he and Ted had twisted her statement and made a mockery of justice.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@mrwonderful: first of all, if you wish to discuss with me, please be polite. Helena Stoeckley confessed time and again, changed her story over and over again and that is a fact. Unfortunately for MacDonald, her confessions were totally contradictional to the evidence. It is my belief that MacDonald was very lucky that Sgt. Ken Mica saw a woman matching Helena's description and that his PJ bottom and the piece of skin found under Collete's fingernail and the garbage was lost too. But i respect
Hoth1907 2 months ago
@Hoth1907 Stoeckley's confessions were contradictional to the evidence? Where in the hell are you getting this information from? Confessions from Stoeckley to Gunderson included everything that matched the inside of MacDonald’s house such as the presence of a rocking horse, jewellery box, barking dog next door, stabbings on the children, vehicles in driveways? No wait, that was just a coincidence right?
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 How about this for an inconsistency? Her confessions do not match what MacDonald says happened. She says that when they arrived, they talked to Macdonald for about 8 minutes, and asked him to get them drugs. He agreed and then used the phone, but tried to call the MPs instead. Nothing in his rendition of events matches that.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Gwyka Stoeckley was there and that is convincing enough for me to infer that she was involved in killing MacDonald's family. She made confessions that she knew Jeff and could accurately identify property inside his house, vehicles outside the residence, and wounds inflicted on the children. Try looking at both sides of the story, fuckwit. Sure, there will be some inconsistencies, but you have so much confirmation bias on this issue, it's sick! Like you'd know though? You're so simple!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 She only talked about the jewelry box and rocking horse after Segal showed her pics of the crime scene at trial.
Follow your own advice, and consider that when someone is guilty, there may still be a couple of unexplained unknowns as long as the perpetrator doesn't man up - in this case, a couple of unknown hairs.
Your insults mean less than nothing to me - they just make you sound like what I think you are - pathetic dude living in his mom's basement.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 If you are going to be a skeptic, be skeptical about everything, not just one side of the story, Sherlock Holmes. That's called "Confirmation Bias," you really need to get your facts more straight.
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
Jeffrey MacDonald lied about the fact that he and some green beret buddies killed one of the intruders only because he knew he easily could lie about it because there actually were no intruders at all. In others words: why would a suspect, who claims to be bright, agressive and always " help" people put himself in such a position?
Hoth1907 2 months ago
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@Hoth1907 If Jeff MacDonald killed his wife and children during a quote on quote fit of rage, then why would he within very little time, come up with an entire bullshit story involving four perpetrators, a woman with a floppy hat, boots, and carrying a candle/light with three other men and then having the focus to stab himself repeatedly in a mirror, collapsing his lung (with fatal consequences) and then clubbing himself until he passes out on the body of his wife until police arrive?
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@Hoth1907 Just figured I would pitch that question out again since it was uncharacteristically unanswered the first time. I guess my questions seem rhetorical on account there is plausible answer for them? If Jeffrey MacDonald was guilty, there would certainly be answers? LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfull: so you are saying that she was reliable as a witness and testified as such? Then it absolutely makes no sense that Britt claimed that Blackburn threatened her, now does it?
Hoth1907 2 months ago
@Hoth1907Did I say she testified? Read over my comments more carefully. I feel like I am talking to illiterate folks here, maybe I am? Try to get this through your head if you won't consider anything else I say ... I cannot prove the innocence of Jeff MacDonald any more than you or any other shit for brain can prove he is guilty. All the evidence showed was that he was in his house on the night of the murders and nothing more.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI No, you see, people are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty. You say he's guilty, then prove it? You haven't provided any consistent, reliable information/evidence/sources that suggests anything about Jeffrey MacDonald being the REAL killer here. No one has, and that is why I am not convinced about the entire decision of the jury, let alone convicting him for three life sentences without being 100% sure! If it was your life here, wouldn't you feel the same? LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfullydeludedman2011 Techically, MacDonald is guilty. He stands convicted and is in prison. Don't tell me you need someone to prove that to you? I've asked if you live in your parents' basement, but am wondering if you actually live under a rock somewhere on another planet?
Gwyka 2 months ago
If Helena was involved, and if she confessed, even on tape, numerous times, then why was she not willing to do so in court?
Hoth1907 2 months ago
@Hoth1907 Actually, Stoeckley made confessions of guilt within 24 hours after the murders; however, CID police detectives made no attempt to investigate her involvement in the crimes. They told Stoeckley to let the sleeping dogs die and deny any involvement in the case. Who really knows what the consequences would have been if she opened her mouth in the early stages of the investigation?
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@Hoth1907 Stoeckley was also drug informant working for the police services and was very capable of providing the authorities with information about suspects involved in hundreds of drug related crimes. Her confessions were without any doubt RELIABLE!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Helena was very emotionally troubled and desperate for attention, so much so that she would sell out her drug buddies for a little money and attention from the police.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Mrwonderful in his own mind is from Canada.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI LOL! You haven't made one convincing statement since the moment you came on after watching a Tom and Jerry cartoon! Well said genius! Now you think I am Jeffrey MacDonald? LOL! Jeffrey MacDonald is in prison and has no access to the Internet and cannot comment on this channel. LOL! Get some help for yourself! Cheers!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI you are close, it's his deluded wife
karmalevel 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Keep watching those Tom and Jerry cartoons! LOL! They're a little more up your alley! Cheers! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Run away while you can! You know nothing about this case. Just keep talking out of your anus and look at your shoes when you get beat down with facts! LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI I think you're the one who is sick and is evidentially becoming delusional. LOL! Did you forget to take your medication?
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Kiss your mother with that mouth? LOL! Is that all you can say now? Whatever happened to your brilliant knowledge about this case? LOLLLLL! You just made my day champ! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI "Thanks I just wrote a novel to that muthafucka!! He's gonna be tight!!" What a joke! Here I am back an hour later responding to your brilliant novel. LOL! In closing, all the evidence convicting MacDonald in 1979 only proved that Jeff was in his home when the murders took place. That's all. There is NO reliable, convincing evidence that proves that Jeff MacDonald committed murder! All you can do, it talk out of your anus, but don't worry champ, you're not the only one! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI It is obvious that this case is a cover up and involves a lot of military drug operations during the Vietnam years and without a doubt, the incompetence and the mishandling of evidence by the Army Criminal Investigation Division. Gunderson was involved on the front lines of this case and knows a hell of a lot more you or any other dummy will ever know about this case. Jeffrey MacDonald is a victim of injustice! Sorry if you don't like hearing the TRUTH champ!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Ted Gunderson passed away. He was quite the conspiracy nut. His involvement in this case was the beginning of that.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Take a look at a video called MacDonald Case, Comments by Ted Gunderson, 2001 "Fatal Vision” and you will see Gunderson discussing the innocence of MacDonald and how there is still DNA testing from 1997 that is still sitting on the judge’s desk that will prove that there were “hair fibres with root” found on the bodies of the children that did not match any hair fibres belonging to Jeff MacDonald and no one will investigate it any further.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Stombaugh reversed six of the 13 directions in order to "match up" the 48 in pajama top holes with 21 wounds on Colette. He also failed to consider the other wounds on Colette; and there was a huge discrepancy between the depth of wounds in his experiment compared to the wounds inflicted on Collette’s body; however, the grand jury thought of this as so believable and convincing. Ridiculous!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Oh yes, the famous pajama top experiment! So, MacDonald put his pajama top over the body of Collette and stabbed her over and over again through the garment? And within 2 weeks, LOL, Paul Stombaugh was able to match up the holes in the pajama top with the wounds in Collette’s chest? What a joke! Did you know that he cheated to do this? LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Dr. MacDonald also suffered multiple wounds in the assault. Many doctors confirmed that MacDonald suffered multiple ice pick and knife stab wounds and trauma to his head and left arm. One stab wound penetrated his right chest, collapsing his lung and narrowly missing his liver. Jeff MacDonald was treated with two separate chest tubes being surgically placed inside his chest to re-expand his collapsed lung. No, he needed a lot more than just a band aid actually. LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI “WHY WOULDN'T THEY TAKE THE DAMN DRUGS THAT WAS IN THE MEDICINE CABINET??????!!!!!" Wow! The case cracker! Whoever said they were really after drugs? First of all, Helena Stoeckley did admit to being part of a drug "cult" that even slaughtered animals and involved violence/stabbings. Could it have been possible that the MacDonald murders involved her initiation into a Satan crazed cult? You cannot analyze the minds of drug crazed hippies or can you? LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrnwonderfulman2011(in your own mind): Helena said they wanted drugs. According to her confession, she said when they first arrived, they talked to MacDonald for about 8 minutes about getting them drugs, he said he would call someone to get drugs, but he tried to call the MPs instead. Somehow your hero's recitation of the events that evening doesn't include anything about this. According to MacDonald, he doesn't remember anything about this because of retrograde amensia.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Ted Gunderson is dead and it is very unfortunate!! I like how everyone keeps talking out of their anus (typical) about how someone would have to be crazy or delusional to consider the accuracy of Helena’s confessions while having NO qualifications in the field of human behaviour. LOL!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Gunderson served as a spokesperson for a fake Downs Syndrome cure, he believed that the Governement is poisoning people with jet chemtrails, he sold services to people trying to get rid of black helecopters. That's just for starters.
One does not need to be a professional in the field of human behavior to know crazy. Then there are people like you who are blinded by adoration of a horrible murderer such that they can't see the obvious.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka I am aware however that Ted Gunderson had Rex Beaber examine and polygraph Stoeckley back in the day and Beaber concluded that she was very capable of remembering everything she did on the night of the MacDonald murders and her testimony was considered very reliable.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 So why is MacDonald's recitation of events so wildly divergent from Helena's? Another example: Helena stated that she had sex with Macdonald a couple of weeks before the murders. He doesn't remember that, or her?
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka You can say whatever you want about Gunderson; however, it was his work that produced the signed confessions from Helena S. and he did invest thousands of hours studying this case. I have been responding to your questions for about a year now and have yet to ask a single question. So, here goes.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 You've asked me plenty of rhetorical questions and demanded that I proves lots of things (a question ended with an exclamation point!), which I have. That you are totally intransigent in terms of your belief in obvious bull from a horrible murderer is your problem.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka LOL! And you have once again failed to answer my question. Old news! You are providing answers to your own mindless questions. You are nevertheless making assumptions now. You don't know if Ms. Helena was "emotionally troubled" on account you have never met her, examined her and quite clearly lack the qualifications to do so. There are many sources that have shown that her confessions are indeed reliable and sufficient enough to be held admissible in court.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 I've read documentation from her mental hospitalizations, and statements from people who did know her. A sad, troubled person. You didn't know her personally, either, and me thinks the "multiple sources" are in your head, maybe your sockpuppets.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 And you can ignore that Gunderson was a self-promoting conspiracy nut, who shilled for a "cure" for Downs Syndrome, claiming that lack of FDA approval was evidence of - guess what?? Yet another government conspiracy!
Gwyka 2 months ago
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@Gwyka "And you can ignore that Gunderson was a self-promoting conspiracy nut" This is completely irrelevant to the case!
"lying and making sh*t up comes easily to him - the trip to Russia he made up to get away from pregnant Colette" This proves nothing about the murders!
"pointing out to you that MacDonald's own website states that he lied about killing one of the intruders?" This proves NOTHING about the murders!
"I've asked if you live in your parent's basement ..." You're fucked!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@Gwyka If Jeff MacDonald killed his wife and children during a quote on quote fit of rage, then why would he within very little time, come up with an entire bullshit story involving four perpetrators, a woman with a floppy hat, boots, and carrying a candle/light with three other men and then having the focus to stab himself repeatedly in a mirror, collapsing his lung (with fatal consequences) and then clubbing himself until he passes out on the body of his wife until police arrive?
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011InHisOwnMind
Your baiting "question" blows.
Coming up with a BS story - lying and making sh*t up comes easily to him - the trip to Russia he made up to get away from pregnant Colette. You believe every word he's ever said, still believing even when MacDonald himself has stated he lied. Or did I miss your post were you thanked me for helpfully pointing out to you that MacDonald's own website states that he lied about killing one of the intruders?
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Brisentine polygraphed Stoeckley and agreed without any doubt that she was at the crime scene on the night of the MacDonald murders and also knew who else was involved. It’s such a shame this information was not heard at the trial! ): Old news!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Helena's interview with Brisentine - she's all over the place, playing her emotionally distrurbed, attention seeking games. And the fact that there is not one iota of physcial evidence of her at the scene.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Stoeckley was polygraphed again after the trial and the results confirmed that she committed the crimes! Now she’s dead and this is also very unfortunate for the sake of Jeffrey MacDonald. This case is not too hard to figure out geniuses! Jeffrey MacDonald is a victim of injustice!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@Gwyka I agree! Jeffrey MacDonald is in prison and he just may stay there for the rest of his life, BUT he shouldn’t have to because he’s an innocent man! It’s a real shame the wrong man is behind bars! ):
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI As for the famous Esquire magazine and the blood found on the cover, well, it was confirmed (year later) that the magazine was handled by many C.I.D. agents before blood was ever found on it. There were also several fingerprints on the magazine that were identified as Army investigators fingerprints and to this day, there is one unknown fingerprint that was never confirmed.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Anyway, it appears to me that you are solely relying on the movie “Fatal Vision” for approximately 90% of the information you have written down over the past few days and then posted within the last couple of hours.
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Merry Christmas to you too my smart friend! :) I really like how you take off for a few days and do a little research about the case and come back thinking you have all the answers. LOL! By the way, it’s duel, not dew ell. LOL! First of all, try to think of one scenario at a time and we can go from there. Try to use some lower case letters too. Your grammar evidentially needs some work. You don’t sound anymore convincing champ!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI LOL you so rock!!!!
karmalevel 2 months ago
Also, Mac said the woman in the floppy hat was holding either a candle or a flashlight. So, he wasn't sure, then why is the wax found such a big issue, since he stated even under oath that he was not 100% sure if it was a candle?
Hoth1907 2 months ago
Mac said in many interviews that he washed his hands as a routine because he was a medic. Question: why didn't he do everything as a routine that night? Like call for help, turn on the lights, turn Colette and kids in the right position for CPR, give detailed info about the conditions to the arriving medics? The only true info he gave was about him....
Hoth1907 2 months ago
@Hoth1907 A man wakes up and finds his family horribly murdered. What does this guy do? He washes his hands??? He needed to explain his blood in the bathroom, which got there when he gave himself that chest wound. I also recall reading his interview with the CID where he made comments about not wanting to go to the neighbors for help because they were "nosy" and "fat". How is it that anyone believes a word this guy has ever said?
Gwyka 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI you rock!!! I have been obsessed with this case since I was 14
karmalevel 2 months ago
@karmalevel Get some help for yourself! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 for sure Kat, after you!
karmalevel 2 months ago
MrNotSoWonderful: I've proved a few things here, following BS statements of yours and when you've demanded that I prove something I've said. E.g., "Prove that Jeff ever said he killed one of the intruders!" (it's on MacDonald's own website) "There is no evidence Jeff was scratched!" (MacDonald himself stated he was scratched during early CID interviews); "Prove DNA testing matched the hair in Colette's left hand to Jeff!" (it's in MacDonald's own 2006 motion to add predicate). Etc., etc.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Good points. To conclude that Mac is the murderer, one does not have to rely on the book/movie 'Fatal Vision' or on Fred Kassab or on Brian Murtagh or on anyone else. The proof is in the court documentation; the forensic evidence and, most importantly, MacDonald's own ridiculous testimony. IMO, anyone that reads Mac's grand jury testimony and comes away doubting his guilt is, at best, borderline delusional.
jksonny 2 months ago
@jksonny MacDonald's medical exam listed 17 stab wounds and three blunt traumas to the head. Jeff received emergency surgery at Womack to re-inflate his lung which had collapsed due to one of the stab wounds to his chest area. You're right genius! I think you would have to be delusional to invision how any man could successfully stab himself 17 times and club himself to the point of being found unconscious and breathing with only one lung. Great point! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Which medical exam are you referring to? To the best of my recollection, none of the E/R exams contain this information (even Mac said he only had two head wounds).
As for being knocked unconscious, according to Mac's own testimony, he did not lose consciousness until well AFTER being struck with the club. He claims to have fought with the hippies for a significant period before passing out. So, the club did not cause uncounsciousness.
jksonny 2 months ago
@jksonny In Fatal Justice, Bost and Potter reviewed the hospital report of MacDonald's medical exam which listed 17 stab wounds and three blunt traumas to the head. If you take some time out of your busy Youtube schedule and read it, you will see there is another side that was completely overlooked. I like how you keep referring to only the information given in the novel Fatal Vision and the movie that followed afterward. You are indeed more stupid than you look. Have a nice day. :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 As I've stated, I'm getting my information from court documents and transcripts. The two doctors that examined MacDonald in the E/R (including the doctor that performed his surgery) listed the exact same wounds: one head contusion, two superficial lacerations (one on the abdomen, the other on his left arm) and a 20% collapse of one lung. That's all they saw and they certainly have no reason to lie. Meanwhile, his family was slaughtered.
jksonny 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 I wanna know how someone can be stabbed that many times and (other than that neat, incised, straight in chest wound) not even need a bandaid.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@jksonny Youre exactly right I live right near Ft Bragg I was born in 72 but this story has always been talked about around here, imo i think they had been arguing earlier possibly about his cheating on her and after she got back from night school Kimmy laid down with her wet the bed Macdonald probably spanked the child then Colette defending her child maybe hit him with the hairbrush and it snowballed he flew into a rage .But yeah read court transcript no doubt hes guilty as hell!
jcraigb 2 months ago
@TEAMCOLI Congrats! You are evidentially another mindless mutant that talks completely out of your anus!! I wish I could shake your hand and congratulate you on being an idiot, but since I cannot do that, I will have a discussion with you and leave you looking at your shoes! Since you appear to be so in touch with this case and so resourceful, then I am sure you can provide some reliable, convincing evidence that proves the guilt of Jeffrey MacDonald? Let's have it??
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 How many times have you had this "conversation" with various posters here? Your entertainment value is nil - you're become a sad spectacle, repeating your lame mantras of support for a horrible murderer rotting in prison.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Was I talking to you genius? What a joke! You haven't proved one thing on this channel and keep repeating the same statements ... Jeff is guilty ... he's rotting in prison ... he'll never get out! All the garbage you provided from previous discussions can refuted over and over again. Nothing you have said has any reliable value or credibility. It's so obvious you talk out of your anus and look at this case from a subjective point of view. You can't see beyond your nose!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 You sound frustrated. Not as much as MacDonald is, though, at not getting away with killing his family.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Not frustrated, just fed up with talking to stupid people!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 If you're fed up with talking to stupid people, it must be really frustrating sitting at the dinner table with your family. You should get a job and move out of your mom and dad's basement.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka I know you are but what am I? You want to play immature meathead? I am not the one who lives on this channel each and every day. It's obvious that you check the comments on this channel every hour on the hour. I just come on here when some moron drops me a brainless line. You are the one who clearly needs to get a life, get a job, get laid, get a brain, get a dick, and so forth. When I was referring to stupid people, I wasn't considering you to be any exception! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 If stupid = anyone who thinks MacDonald is guilty,
I don't want you to make an exception for me.
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka Blah, Blah, Blah Blah Blah ... Blah, Blah, Blah Blah Blah ...
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrnotsowonderfulman2011 Yeah, that what your typical response here sounds like.
Gwyka 2 months ago
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@Gwyka Blah, Blah, Blah Blah Blah ... Blah, Blah, Blah Blah Blah ...
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
ironic that the "all american boy" would be prosecuted by the united States of america
karmalevel 2 months ago
small puncture wounds on front of a MILITARY dude, lets have something in the middle of his back too. sounds suspicious, just saying
gr8vibes2 3 months ago
it makes perfect sense that a troupe of hippies made their way on to a military base and broke into an officer's barracks exclaiming "acid is groovy, kill the pigs".
mikeyanagita1 3 months ago
He reminds me of Paul Bernado the serial killer
karmalevel 3 months ago
@karmalevel You know Paul Bernardo personally do you? There are many differences between Bernardo and MacDonald. First, there is actual video taped evidence that showed Bernardo killing two teenage girls. There is NO reliable evidence that proves anything about MacDonald killing his wife and daughters. Bernardo admits to the killings, whereas MacDonald maintains his innocence. Bernardo tried to commit suicide, MacDonald has never. Paul Bernardo is a killer, Jeffrey MacDonald is not!
mrwonderfulman2011 3 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 They are both convicted of being horrible murderers and are rotting away in prison. Bernardo has a leg up on MacDonald in that he admits what is plainly obvious.
Gwyka 3 months ago
@Gwyka "Bernardo has a leg up on MacDonald" Anyone who gives any credit toward Paul Bernardo is clearly of low human taste! Sorry, couldn't resist! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 3 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 That's rich coming from someone who gives nothing but credit to the horrible small child and pregnant wife murderer MacDonald. Everyone, including Bernardo, has a leg up on you in terms of smelling bull.
Gwyka 3 months ago 2
@Gwyka You would have a point there IF Jeffrey MacDonald was a killer, but he's not! There is NO reliable evidence to prove this! However, we all can conclude that Bernardo is indeed a killer and there is REAL evidence "video tapes" to prove this and not to mention a plea bargain/confessions from his former wife and you give credit to this man?? You are the lowest of low! Makes me sick to breathe the same air! Get some professional help for yourself!
mrwonderfulman2011 3 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 You can say MacDonald's not a killer all you want - he stands convicted and is rotting away in prison - where he belongs.
Gwyka 3 months ago 2
@mrwonderfulman2011 why? he is right!!! hey mrs Mac
karmalevel 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 Jeff is NEVER getting out!!!
karmalevel 2 months ago
@karmalevel I think he will actually! Someday, he will be finally set free! Maybe not tomorrow, but someday!
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 MacDonald has been saying that for years! 30+ years. He is going no where. Well, he did recently get a trip from Cumberland Federal prison to a local jail.
Gwyka 2 months ago 2
@mrwonderfulman2011 your hubby is never getting out
karmalevel 2 months ago 2
@karmalevel He'll get out someday! :)
mrwonderfulman2011 2 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 no Kat, I was referring to the fake charm!
karmalevel 2 months ago
Can you say: "Amphetemine psychosis"???
poopooman38111 3 months ago
How in the phuck could none of the neighbors not hear this ? Ive lived in military apartments for years and most are not well enough insulated from the neighbors.
Bag0fRats 3 months ago
acid is groovy, kill the pigs.
acid is groovy, kill the pigs
acid is groovy, kill the pigs.
monk22yrs 4 months ago
His wife is evil too!
kfag101 5 months ago
" he's not a criminal" lol Mac's wife can not even utter the M word
karmalevel 6 months ago
Just a thought: if Jeffrey maintaines all along that he is innocent, then why did he lie to Freddy Kassab about him and a couple of green beret buddys tracked down and kill one of the assaillants?
Hoth1907 6 months ago 2
@Hoth1907 Around the same time he was telling this lie (he also told Bob Stern he had tracked down and killed one of the intruders - so much for his statement that he told the lie to Freddie 'cause he was trying to comfort him), he also said to an army buddy, "I forgive the ones who did this." This was about 2 months after the murders.
He wanted people to get off his back and to forget about it. That's why he told lies like this.
Gwyka 6 months ago 2