Ce mec est excellent ! Pour moi même être un jeune homme de 19 ans dont la génétique est supérieur, je sais pour avoir fait 15 jours de coma quel force on peu découvrir en revenant d'une mort certaine, rien que ça justifie sa supériorité.
Alors après si un jour on apprends qu'il c'est véritablement dopé pendant 7 ans, ça fait rien, comparé a toute les personnes qu'il à fait rêver et fait mettre au vélo, puis bon, c'est comme le christianisme, le plus gros mensonge de tout les temps, mais ça aide bien des gens.
Funny how nearly every Lance video has roughly the same amount of "dislikes" and the same "cut and paste" negative comments from user names I see over and over again. Millions of fans and it seems there are about 15 douche bags who can't seem to shake the chip off of their shoulder. You guys should just try to allow yourselves to be inspired. It's a lot more fun. Jealousy is so petty.
Exactly Lance's natural hematocrit is ~41% which is on the low side of normal (39-49). He can’t compete against other riders whom natural hematocrit levels are much higher than his without blood doping. And yes hematocrit has a massive influence on endurance performance. All of a sudden an average rider turns world champion type advantage. Lance’s blood values have indicated he's been using blood transfusions and it 99' used EPO via testing positive 6 times.
He didn't beat an EPO test. He tested positive something like 6 times for EPO in the 99' tour. From 00' and on he switched to doing blood transfusions which has been proven via his blood values. Hematocrit isn’t supposed to rise just hours upon a 6 plus hour very strenuous cycling event but for some odd reason (doping) Lance DOPEstrong’s do. He’s never won the tour legitimately.
no estoy negando q contador es el mejor en el momento pero tampoco a tenido verdaderos rivales tal ves los schleck o valverde mientras q armstrong si supero a varios con mas kilates q los q hay en esta temporada vamos a ver q pasa.
muchas personas parecen olvidar q armstrong paro casi cuatro años, la edad de el y el cancer q vencio ademas q el año pasado corrio el giro el mismo contador le dio miedo correrlo por q sabe armstrong es mucho mejor q el y para mi ese tercer lugar es una victoria despues de todo eso.
@u368 saying that a guy was doping in a sport in which everyone used to dope, when everyone used to dope, is completely pointless. in fact, it used to be common practice to have a cocktail of all kinds of drugs, amphetamines included, in the water bottle, as I'm sure you well know. so who gives a shit if lance was doping along with the rest of them?
as an aside 3:03-3:26 is probably the most badass thing i have ever seen on a bike. you can even see the other guys are complimenting him. god damn
@cjp2k9 I suppose that people have not accepted Lance's stupid lies on TDF podium, maybe because of his constant slandering against labs and antidoping people who are doing their job. Does they deserve such treatment from a man who cheats?
Maybe because of the threats on other riders like Simeoni, Bassons, or on reporters, or on Lemond, the Andreu,...?
Maybe because Lance didn't stop doping when most of riders had abandonned EPO on 1999 TDF!
All dopers hear me out now! Lance has never doped except for when he had cancer and that was to save his life. END OF STORY!!!!! Stop fighting about the fact that he doped while he was in the TDF. If you want argue about something try our healthcare plan from the Dems instead hahahahaha...
Only a real idiot, who never read a science book, would say that altitude are used for recovery.
How did he had a 48 hematocrit at the end of his TDF without biopassport and in 2009 with the same training he only had 45% despite 3 blood transfusion?
hahahaha, you are so obsessed with shotting him down you cannot see the obvious. Altitude is used to make your body use oxygen better, it make the hematite. to work better.
Same reason swimmers do restricted breathing training
But hey you would now this as you are a world class athlete.
@stewlax You are confusiong recovering and work !For a better recovering, more oxygen is needed, so to sleep in altitude tent during TDF is TOTALY STUPID, that is just BS said by dopers to justify their high hematocrit level got by EPO or blood transfusion.
I dont need to try, you are the one trying. I doubt very much any athlete uses altitude when race it is part of the preparation.
I think the bigger question is why you feel the need to act someone who is talented, He was talented before cancer.
Is it something to do with failure or your part, has something in your past has messed with your view of the world so much that someone who tries hard, prepares well and is talented must be a cheat?
Lance was "using" an altitude tent during TDF and said that he was sleeping inside. You can find some of interviews on net. TOTAL BS !
Lance was never talented before cancer, at least he was never be seen as a futur TDF winner, not even as GT contender. Could you cite one DS who had said he would win a GT?
Lance is cheat because of all his doping affairs and his anormal HUGE improvement of 30%, very similar to EPO use.
Is it more talented than you? or to be as talented as Merckx, Hinault, Fignon or Lemond ?
Lance was never as talented as those champions.
To win a one day race or a flat stage just prove he was good as pro-cycling like many riders. It's not the same as winning ITT at 21yo like Anquetil or Merckx, or winning a TDF or GIRO mountain stage.
I happen to believe that Merckx, Greg LeMond, Hinault & Fignon all doped, just not with EPO. Them guys of yester year wouldn't have come close to contest in any of Lances 7 wins...
He started cycling for real at the age of 20 - 3 years later: World champion and winner of several tour de france stages..
After cancer, he started training like a mad man.. He may not have been the greatest talent of all, but his talent combined with his drive is what won him his titles..
@hghepo doper or not, hes done a hell lot more hard work than you are doing by just sitting on your fat arser slating all of his videos. We dont want you here so just fuck off. Haters are such jealous bitches.
For those that dont know. EPO increases the amount of red blood cells. Therefore increasing the amount of oxygen carried to your muscels. Puts huge strains on your heart and is VERY easily detectable. If he was on EPO there would be NO doubt about it.
thing is hghepo you know shit about what he has or hasnt done and yer you can say he doped but tbf its likely that if he did dope (which im not saying he did), then most probably everyone else did! Your just jealous that he's a elite extremely fit athlete that is 100 times better than you'll ever be at anything yet all you can do is sit on your fat arse all day slating him. GET A LIFE! He won all them TDF. END OF!
man, did I lie on TV on a podium of TDF? Did I cheat all my contenders, spectators by doping? Did I do threat against riders, reporters, Lemond, the Andreus , and so...?
@saintsrulethegay The theory is that nearly all Olympic/World champions now days are on some type of enhancer. The chemists can now make enhancers that can't be detected. Sport - Is not clean at that level. Nor will it ever be.
@Gibz101 yer and i agree with that statement. But you cant just crticise one person for it when its likely most of them have taken P.E.D's. All im saying is that hes jsut getting more criticism because he won.
With the biopassport it would be more difficult to dope even if today it's not yet enough sstrong to catch the biggest dopers.
But in a few years we will learn that a 48% hematocrit at the end of TDF is a clear sign of blood doping, so the riders who had recorded by the past such values in the 3rd week of TDF were doping.
Don't fprget to read Ashenden interview on velocitynation about the EPO use of Lance in 1999.
Do you believe he could have stay at the same level without EPO from 2000 to 2005 and beat all other EPO or blood transfusion users like the full T-Mobile team?
For 2000 we know since the existence of EPO test was revealed. No human EPO was found in all US Postal samples when they were retested by french police after US Postal team dropped their actovegin boxes.
So they had cleared EPO with protease or soap put in their urine.
Then Lance can have used microdosing EPO, or more likely ARANESP EPO which was only detectable in 2005 by a new test.
Blood doping for the 3 last years.
How did Marion Jones who never tested positive despite EPO use?
You have grand claims but no evidence to support any of it. Seriously, what concrete evidence do you have to support your claims?
Lance's '99 samples? They were six years old before they were tested and couldn't actually be verified because they were just B samples with no A samples to compare.
No need of a A samples to test the presence of a substance... 2 differents testing can be made because it's impossible to tamper samples with EPO, so the remaining errors are procedural or human errors, easy to cut the samples in 2, 3 or 4 parts and test them by different people and/or lab.
concrete evidences are his hematocrit levels around 48% at the end of his 99-2005 TDF! Impossible when riders registred a average drop of 6 or 7. 50 - 5 = 45% max!
If y R looking at Lance's ITT of Monaco or Annecy, he had been lucky to be third, 5th or 8th should have been his real values. Klöden was clearly stronger. Lance benefited of his escape and the lack of fight at Andorra.
Maybe he was ill as suggest some people who have looked to the significant drop of his reticulocytes which were very low despite 2 jumps of hematocrit.
He could improve next year but it will be difficult to beat Contador or Schleck.
man... he wasn't recorering from cancer last three years...and there is no sense if he was recovering how he bacame 3th without training. You are talking bullshit. If you are not as well known with the situation please don't post silly comments. How on earth will astana do better without Lance , Kloden, Leipheimer...even Oscar Freire racing within ASTANA ?
The part of LA doping that I find hard to swallow is that after 7 TdF wins, he would've required near godlike evading skills to come clean, even during off-season where they are still randomly tested, also unlikely is that no one has come out of this on CNN. Until there is hard evidence, I will remain at Lance's side... or until he admits it.
For all we know he did dope, or he unknowingly did, or, he just didn't. but there are no evidences for any of it.
Lot of doped athletes are never caught by testing only by police. Festina, Operation Puerto, Juventus, Telecom, Oil for Drug,... prove it.
You can add Marion Jones affairs who was tested 160 times while doped with steroid, IGF, growth hormone and EPO, but she never tested positive. Ricco blamed the testing because he was only caught 2 times for CERA use despite being tested 7 days long. Lance 2000 urines had no hEPO, destroyed probably by soap to remove proof of rEPO use
Of course, there is evidences of Lance doping : 5 legal testimonies. There is still Lance samples waiting for retesting. As pointed by hghepo why Lance had refused to retest them in a different lab if he were clean? What would you do if you were clean? Remove the doubts or not?
At the top of the sport there is less than 1% of difference between the top 3 athletes? Most of the top ten of Lance TDF have convicted of EPO use? How could he have beaten them all in regard of the 20% boost of EPO?
Testimonies are just that, unless it is substantiated. I said in the previous post that the only way for LA to be caught doping is if he dopes again, and is retested by today's standard and that the lab follows the protocol of testing. Or, he admits it himself.
I stated in the previous post that, LA doping is a possibility, but without hard evidence, there is nothing you and I can do about it.
@ferraribh1 Wrong. Marion Jones, Cippolini, Zabel, Schumacher, Valverde have been more tested than Lance. Most important they have never tested positive despite doping.
Lance had been tested 7 times positives: 1 corticosteroid cleared by UCI with $500.000 "donations" and 6 EPO still on LNDD shelves. And probably one more times in Switzerland according Landis and old rumors.
@u368 You said it, even if he was dopped he was just leveling him self to the others, and kicking there ass. Lance was probably doped, but who cares..take off drugs he'll still kick all their ass's ;)
@notokid In 1993-94, there is very very few riders using EPO inside pro, and Lance was unable to stay with the best on moutain stages. More important his body was not able to race 10 days. So his ass was easily kicked on stage races.
Without the help of the Dr Ferrari and his EPO, he would never have done the top 20 of any TDF.
@u368 That's because he doesn't belong to the top three. He was above the top three back then, number 1, 2 and 3 were second, third and fourth place. Armstrong was unbeatable, a different class.
Also, if Armstrong used EPO, why weren't the others using it too? And if they used it, there was still the big difference between the them and Lance. Armstrong is just the best, is that so hard to accept? That's what sport is all about right, stretching the envelope. Armstrong did exactly that.
@u368 So Armstrong has always been rich? Is there any solid proof for the rest? I still don't understand why he should be brought down. Just because we don't understand something doesn't mean it can't exist... Of course it's superhuman what Lance has done, but for some people jogging for 5 miles seems already superhuman. It's all perception...
@doritowarrior Lance won $1.000.000 in 1993 or 94 for the Thrift Drug Classic !
I don't understand how people could believe Lance after EPO was found in 6 different samples of Lance in 1999 when cycling (and other sports) are using commonly EPO... when EPO gives a huge advantage able to change an average pro-rider like Riis to a winner.
How Lance did to beat Ullrich, Beloki, .... who were using EPO?
How can he get a 48% hematocrit when naturally he has 41%?
@u368 There's a huge difference between high hematocrit levels and actually using EPO. The Tour de France takes an enormous amount of energy to complete. The human body will try to adapt to this need of supply. One of the solutions for the body is making a large amount of red blood cells to be able to transport larger amounts of oxygen to the muscles. Now, I don't think a 7% rise is substantial evidence that his hematocrit valuehas been raised artificially.
@doritowarrior Unfortunately, a hematocrit drop between 5 or 7 points is the "norm" for such type of events. So Lance could have 12-14 points above usual... why did he not achieve such magic performance since biopassport was set up?
@doritowarrior Unfortunately, a hematocrit drop between 5 or 7 points is the "norm" for such type of events. So Lance could have 12-14 points above usual... why did he not achieve such magic performance since biopassport set up?
Lance's test results have shown his hematocrit actually increasing during the Tour which is the complete opposite of what is naturally supposed to happen. For example, if you begin the Tour with a hematocrit of say 41% it will naturally be reduced to about 37-38% by the end. In the case of Lance his values actually go from 41% to over 43% which indicate blood doping. The human body simple doesn’t work this way naturally.
@mrcardio9r Of course Armstrong could indeed have been using doping. However there's also the possibility that he's an extraordinary athlete with extraordinary capabilities. Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Now I don't believe in miracles or something but paradigm's aren't altogether my thing either...
@doritowarrior We understand now how EPO can affect performance... we have seen Lance performance before he has worked with the doctor Ferrari, a specialist of EPO blood doping. We know too that EPO was found in Lance's samples of 1999 TDF. there is testimonies of ex-team-mates , his masseuse and so confirming Lance's doping.
But now if you want to believe that Earth is flat, you can !
@u368 Yes, but I don't understand why Lance needs to be hunted. His Tour chapter is closed you know. Or do you want him to give his tour trophies back?! As I said, maybe he did use doping but why do you need to have him brought down? Do you want justice?! Lance already went through the pits of hell itself trying to recover from cancer... Let him have his glory! That would be quite fair... Also I'd like to point out that humanity is nowhere near knowing the complete functioning of the human body.
@doritowarrior Lance lied and still lies about many things, has tarnished a lot of people and has never said "sorry" to Bassons, Simeoni, Andreu, Lemond, people working in lab, reporters,... He accused unfairly the french of witch-hunt. Now that is Landis who is victim of Lance.
Even if a robber retires police has to bring him down.
What about the 2 entities livestrong, one is a profit business, for many people that is seen as a scam. Who want to believe in a such liar? People deserve truth.
@doritowarrior Strange thoughts you have. Lance got cancer probably because of steroids abuse, his ex- junior team mates of US got too serious illness, and they sued Carmichael for having injected them with a lot of PED. Carmichael settled the lawsuit.
So Lance was lucky to escape cancer. He don't have eaned the right to steal people of fame and money as you think.
Next time that a poor guy steals your car, don't forget because he had suffered a lot, he was right to do it. Don't complain!
@hghepo Well actually I think that you guys shouldn't assume and take over every single gossip that circulates the internet (I know that's an overstatement...). Secondly Armstrong was not that good before he got cancer, so what was the point of him using steroids. Furthermore I don't think that using steroids will cause cancer. I can bore you guys with every argument I have on that statement, but that won't get us anywhere. Also I think that you're using a pretty bad analogy there...
@mrcardio9r, Greg clearly doped cos Lance didn't & Greg thinks Lance doped & Lance didn't, so therefore Greg must have doped. I think we can all agree on that.
if your logic was correct then he would have failed the test - he passed the test, and every other one - you are not a scientist, it's not common sense of compare this number to that previous numbers
Science said human hct are relatively stable, decreases a bit with age but outside dehydration only 3 or 4 points are already a big change.
Armstrong has conceded to have a natural 40-42 hct. Question: how could he get 48-49 at the end of his TDF ?
If he didn't dope why was he not able to do the same that year? The only change was the biopassport which make difficult to transfuse too much of his own blood.
With his 6 EPO of 1999, others doping stories,... one conclusion he doped.
The credibility of my statement are done by the support of newspapers; of a lot of bike racing forum or wikipedia in different languages. You just has to google "Armstrong doping" to verify all of my information.
Fan boys have just myths and lies to oppose to facts (6 +1 positive samples), legal testimonies, clues and dubious blood values.
And google as well "Phelps doping", "Ullrich doping", "Pacquiao doping", "Tyson doping". See my point? You trust wikipedia? lol. Tell me which article is that, and I'll edit it, see if you'll trust it again.
A simple analogy, if LA dopes, then every cyclists dopes as well, then why is it that LA still comes out on top? You subtract doping out of the equation, you are left with hard training. Same will Ullrich, people said he doped, still got beaten by LA.
Of course all others top 10 riders of EPO eras were doped, it's the same for other sports. Ullrich admitted his doping by saying it was easy to know what was doing riders with all doping affairs.
6 + 2 + 1 Lance' samples were found by a scientist process to have EPO or corticoid.
When scientist like Ashenden confirms the finding, the method, and the validity of the results, it's not hearsay. Why Lance never sued lab or L'Equipe? Maybe because samples are still there and can be retested.
regarding the 6 times he tested positive for EPO in 1999, the UCI federation itself said that the anti-doping procedures weren't followed. Therefore voiding the results. Plus the tests done on 1999 was to look for EPO, not synthetic EPO, EPO can be high on athletes on Altitude training.
Plus the cream used was a corticosteroid, I actually use that down under for something else. Well, it didn't help me win the LA triathlon either.
Aan WADA said itself that the findings are real. Who has the most interest to lie? A sport federation known to cover doping since a while, known to have accepted and hide for a while a $500.000 bribe from Armstrong? Who said for years that doping was just a few bad apples? Should we believe a lawyer like Vrijman or world leaders in blood doping like Australian Ashenden or Italian Parisotto?
Why Lance still refuses to retest his samples in a chosen lab? What about his hct close of 50%?
Yes yes, the findings were real or whatever, and as I've said, the federation said the samples were handled improperly. Will you accept a check with a wrong signature? That is the case here. A single mismanagement of the samples could tip the scales in any direction.
And here you again with the bribe thing. Please show me a link from a credible, unbiased website/group/person.
And WADA said they were valid... scientists too. If you prefer to believe UCI which received a bribe of $500.000 from Lance in 2000, it's your choice, we prefer chose logic and Occam's razor principle
I know you want to prove your point, but by putting the word "logic" on every argument it doesn't make you look credible, it makes you look like you just placed it there to appear "legit". And I looked at the websites, and the bribe are allegations, not proven by an independent, unbiased commission/group.
And occam's razor is the simplest form, hence lance didn't dope, which is the easiest explanation. You're probably talking abour Murphy's law, which is "Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong."
About the bribe you can go on "Playthegame" website and have a look on the 2009 conference presentation of June 9. There is a pdf document of Ashenden about ethics and efficiency using that bribe to support his presentation. Access by menu > Presentation
I forgot to mention that there is reference to it in the SCA trial. Its transcript can be found on some cycling forum.
You can read that article : "Allegations Trail Armstrong Into Another Stage" of Los Angeles Times, you can find it by google. It would give you a better picture of the real situation
Lance said he used that cream because it has the same molecule found in his urine.
Do you believe that Landis used only patch of Testosterone to "win" TDF? Of course not as showed his blood values, he was on an elaborated doping program.
It was the same for Lance, EPO as found in 6 +2 samples...
Why most of the athletes have TUE? Just to hide the use of other doping product.
Though I can understand your point, I'm also taking up exercise science, and nursing as well, irregular values are annoying. I am still reading on most of the links in your profile, though I find some of them aren't really that credible.
I still reaffirm my argument on the corticosteroid cream. In no way can it be used to increase performance. They checked LA's urine, they found corticosteroids, and that's all, corticosteroid will not mask other substances in your urine. And it is proven.
Hard training is a stupid concept. Everyone is limited by natur. Above that limit, more training destroys the benefit. Some people can reach their maximum by training 3hours, other 4 hours but only gifts make the difference between 2 people at their optimum training limit.
But doping allows to train harder than clean athletes. I suggest you read Dr. Conte, Balco scandal about that point.
Hard training is not a stupid concept, you're insulting all the athletes in the world that do that. For us triathletes, hard training is called base training, we increase our mileage 10-15% per week, and that's week 20-12 before race day. Though I don't know about the training tdf riders do, since they are 1 sport oriented.
Please use only 1 account, I get confused easily. =(
Please, the Lance's fan should only use 1 account. You use always the same word, the same arguments,... and they are refuted by the facts about Lance's doping. That confuses easily Lance' boy who are easily brain weak.
Lance used the lie of "training harder than everyone", so in cycling we use hard training to reference that point.
In all sport too much training (hard or soft) regarding his ponctual potential is worst than less training.
FYI, this is my account, I have no idea what you are blabbering about. I am using the same arguments, which you have failed to answer or provide irrefutable evidence. And as for your arguments, I have already answered that, but you still reply it over and over again.
I believe you really have no idea what training does to the body. Sad. And what's a "ponctual"? You're really not making any sense right now.
@smithsil Lance has 6 + 2 of his 1999 TDF urine samples which have remote EPO inside, that is the reality. Did Lance sue L'Equipe or anyone of the other newspapers which reported that? NO. Why did Lance refuse an other retesting of those samples by any lab he would have chosen? That could have proved he was clean.
BTW the EPO found is just a confrmation of Andreu or Landis' words about the US Postal doping program.
Those samples were obtained under false pretenses therefore the testing methods and motives must also be called into question. Hence, ARMSTRONG was not charged and has never tested positive.
@smithsil You are trying to confuse people. You perfectly know that those samples were obtained during the 1999 TDF. The A samples were used at that time and in 2004 the B samples were retested. Some samples were found to have EPO inside. A journalist Ressiot got the scientific report and was able to link the positive samples with riders : 6 + 2 of them belonged to Armstrong.
So the point is that Lance doped, cheated and still lies.
Like the Watergate, that is the truth the important.
@hghepo - The samples were taken during the 99 TDF and thats fine. We both know that when the samples were re-tested, the identity of the cyclist in question (LA) was obtained under false pretenses. Under no circumstances would I consider the testing methods legal.
"The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty and that I have no way to defend myself. They state: 'There will therefore be no counter-exam nor regulatory prosecutions"
@smithsil The fact that Ressiot was foxy to obtain the identity of the cyclist does not change the fact that Lance doped.
The paper never said that the science is faulty. Only UCI said that because of lack of A samples the finding can not be used to sanction Lance. BUT the finding is REAL and VALID as a scientific process. And 6 different EPO samples are a much more stronger evidence that a A + B positive sample.
LANCE DOPED with EPO UNDOUBTLY despit your spinning, he is a cheater and liar .
And just an other clues of Lance's doping. The Danes say that blood values of Lance are roten. But why don't he get an hematocrit of 49 like he did in the other TDF by training high? Og course because he just doped in the past with EPO or blood transfusion.
hey!! look its u again.. the armstrong hater... btw.. the whole thing on empty expression.. ok well go out ride a bike for 3 hour or more (or u can go for like a time trial thing so like 15 miles) at as fast as u can go and tell me if u make any expression at all k??
Soulripper.. hmm.. eddie merckx is a great rider.. ill give you that.. maybe 2nd.. but the best (IMO) is Erik zabel :D.. the man could accelerate and get to 100 km/hr ... thats insane!
how good a bike handling that was? Just look at the Orange jersey behind him, who saw the incident from much further back with more time to adjust, had to slam on his brakes and come to a holt, pure Lance Amrstrong
yeah lance won a mountainbike race today in colorado... he was nearly 25 minutes faster than a mountainbike racer who won that race 6 times... awesome for a normal cyclist... ok armstrong isn't normal... he's the best
muito foda o vídeo e a música!
SENSACIONAL!
MrBORUSSIA07 4 months ago
Ulrich, talented cyclist. Poor fellow, lost to Lance year after year.
kenatlaw 5 months ago
Ce mec est excellent ! Pour moi même être un jeune homme de 19 ans dont la génétique est supérieur, je sais pour avoir fait 15 jours de coma quel force on peu découvrir en revenant d'une mort certaine, rien que ça justifie sa supériorité.
bbbyakuya 6 months ago
Alors après si un jour on apprends qu'il c'est véritablement dopé pendant 7 ans, ça fait rien, comparé a toute les personnes qu'il à fait rêver et fait mettre au vélo, puis bon, c'est comme le christianisme, le plus gros mensonge de tout les temps, mais ça aide bien des gens.
bbbyakuya 6 months ago
@bbbyakuya Tu as raison... les religions cela apporte aussi un peu de bien et beaucoup de mal (guerres)!
Armstrong apporte un peu de rêve et de belles d'escroqueries.
hghepo 4 months ago 2
respect for this man !!!
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musicNsoccer 8 months ago
your my idol lance:)
opticnz1 9 months ago
ok, at 3:04 I get that he had to dodge the accident. But in what way is it legal to completely cut across the grass?
Gynecologist 10 months ago
yea it is i think well it was an amzing save
opticnz1 9 months ago
@Gynecologist It's legal because he did it to dodge the accident. Anyother time he would of got a DQ.
IROCK80551 6 months ago
@ExtremeEngineering91 that fits well with Lance
u368 10 months ago
Funny how nearly every Lance video has roughly the same amount of "dislikes" and the same "cut and paste" negative comments from user names I see over and over again. Millions of fans and it seems there are about 15 douche bags who can't seem to shake the chip off of their shoulder. You guys should just try to allow yourselves to be inspired. It's a lot more fun. Jealousy is so petty.
traviswilliams 11 months ago 2
Dope attack HA HA HA HA
melende1966b 1 year ago
Exactly Lance's natural hematocrit is ~41% which is on the low side of normal (39-49). He can’t compete against other riders whom natural hematocrit levels are much higher than his without blood doping. And yes hematocrit has a massive influence on endurance performance. All of a sudden an average rider turns world champion type advantage. Lance’s blood values have indicated he's been using blood transfusions and it 99' used EPO via testing positive 6 times.
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He didn't beat an EPO test. He tested positive something like 6 times for EPO in the 99' tour. From 00' and on he switched to doing blood transfusions which has been proven via his blood values. Hematocrit isn’t supposed to rise just hours upon a 6 plus hour very strenuous cycling event but for some odd reason (doping) Lance DOPEstrong’s do. He’s never won the tour legitimately.
mrcardio9r 1 year ago
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I`m a chick and i want to ride on tour de france..i`ll kick Contador Ass...:)
SmartCycler 1 year ago
Armstrong > Contador
Oranje307 1 year ago
@Oranje307
Armstrong's doping > Contador's doping
hghepo 1 year ago 3
the music FUCKING SUCK
empiretotalwar1 1 year ago 3
is he wearing white m frames? i really like those shades
Wolvve 1 year ago
many people have evidence that may POINT to doping...but did he ever REALLY test postive for strait up PID's??????????????????? the debate goes on...
Bhousm76 1 year ago
@Bhousm76 Yes he tested positive 7 times (1 corticoid + 6 EPO)!
With the "help" of UCI those positive tests were "cleared".
hghepo 1 year ago
dont matter ! its lance ultrastrong, the titan at work!
shukk1 1 year ago
PHarmstrong and LieStrong
hghepo 1 year ago
THE BEST EVER!
LANCE ARMSTRONGE!
TheJesmark 1 year ago
Good video except for the horrible music.
ebelingb 1 year ago
LANCE ARMSTRONG = BEST EVER AND BEST THERE WILL EVER BE!!!!
dannyh855 1 year ago
He is a TRUE HERO!
overdrivelc16 1 year ago
RIP Pantani
libravision 1 year ago
wow clearly u368 and hghepo are the same pathetic person. Crying like a little girl LOL
StRTempo 1 year ago
no estoy negando q contador es el mejor en el momento pero tampoco a tenido verdaderos rivales tal ves los schleck o valverde mientras q armstrong si supero a varios con mas kilates q los q hay en esta temporada vamos a ver q pasa.
jjjuan1013 1 year ago
muchas personas parecen olvidar q armstrong paro casi cuatro años, la edad de el y el cancer q vencio ademas q el año pasado corrio el giro el mismo contador le dio miedo correrlo por q sabe armstrong es mucho mejor q el y para mi ese tercer lugar es una victoria despues de todo eso.
jjjuan1013 1 year ago
Tremendo Lance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, impresionante ¿como hace?
marianomonterot 1 year ago
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"I believe his performances are the result of the same hard work, dedication and focus that were mine 10 years ago." -Greg LeMond-
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
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"I believe his performances are the result of the same hard work, dedication and focus that were mine 10 years ago." -Greg LeMond- 1 week ago
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
@u368 saying that a guy was doping in a sport in which everyone used to dope, when everyone used to dope, is completely pointless. in fact, it used to be common practice to have a cocktail of all kinds of drugs, amphetamines included, in the water bottle, as I'm sure you well know. so who gives a shit if lance was doping along with the rest of them?
as an aside 3:03-3:26 is probably the most badass thing i have ever seen on a bike. you can even see the other guys are complimenting him. god damn
cjp2k9 1 year ago
@cjp2k9 I suppose that people have not accepted Lance's stupid lies on TDF podium, maybe because of his constant slandering against labs and antidoping people who are doing their job. Does they deserve such treatment from a man who cheats?
Maybe because of the threats on other riders like Simeoni, Bassons, or on reporters, or on Lemond, the Andreu,...?
Maybe because Lance didn't stop doping when most of riders had abandonned EPO on 1999 TDF!
hghepo 1 year ago 3
No wait better yet how our economy is falling like a rock due to the all idiots in D.C.
LanceMcDuffy 1 year ago
All dopers hear me out now! Lance has never doped except for when he had cancer and that was to save his life. END OF STORY!!!!! Stop fighting about the fact that he doped while he was in the TDF. If you want argue about something try our healthcare plan from the Dems instead hahahahaha...
LanceMcDuffy 1 year ago
lol @ hghepo get a life
LUNCH155 1 year ago
"I believe his performances are the result of the same hard work, dedication and focus that were mine 10 years ago." -Greg LeMond-
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
I cant stand the music
ArmenFirman01 1 year ago
If some EPO are better tested today, that doesn't mean that all kind of EPO have been found in the recent past !
u368 1 year ago 4
there is no secret to why he is so successful
he has discovered what works for him and if I have got this right it is high altitude training and using a altitude tent for recovery and sleeping.
What most idiots havnt figured out is it is about finding out what works for you!
stewlax 1 year ago
What works for him is blood doping.
Only a real idiot, who never read a science book, would say that altitude are used for recovery.
How did he had a 48 hematocrit at the end of his TDF without biopassport and in 2009 with the same training he only had 45% despite 3 blood transfusion?
hghepo 1 year ago 4
hahahaha, you are so obsessed with shotting him down you cannot see the obvious. Altitude is used to make your body use oxygen better, it make the hematite. to work better.
Same reason swimmers do restricted breathing training
But hey you would now this as you are a world class athlete.
stewlax 1 year ago
@stewlax You are confusiong recovering and work !For a better recovering, more oxygen is needed, so to sleep in altitude tent during TDF is TOTALY STUPID, that is just BS said by dopers to justify their high hematocrit level got by EPO or blood transfusion.
Try again.
hghepo 1 year ago 2
I dont need to try, you are the one trying. I doubt very much any athlete uses altitude when race it is part of the preparation.
I think the bigger question is why you feel the need to act someone who is talented, He was talented before cancer.
Is it something to do with failure or your part, has something in your past has messed with your view of the world so much that someone who tries hard, prepares well and is talented must be a cheat?
The
stewlax 1 year ago
Lance was "using" an altitude tent during TDF and said that he was sleeping inside. You can find some of interviews on net. TOTAL BS !
Lance was never talented before cancer, at least he was never be seen as a futur TDF winner, not even as GT contender. Could you cite one DS who had said he would win a GT?
Lance is cheat because of all his doping affairs and his anormal HUGE improvement of 30%, very similar to EPO use.
hghepo 1 year ago 4
Not talented before cancer - LOOOOOOL..
He was probably as talented as he could get..
He started cycling for real at the age of 20 - 3 years later: World champion and winner of a tour de france stage..
After cancer, he started training like a mad man.. Tonnes of preparation and pure talent - that's the key to his succes..
maan1511 1 year ago
@maan1511
What is talented for you?
Is it more talented than you? or to be as talented as Merckx, Hinault, Fignon or Lemond ?
Lance was never as talented as those champions.
To win a one day race or a flat stage just prove he was good as pro-cycling like many riders. It's not the same as winning ITT at 21yo like Anquetil or Merckx, or winning a TDF or GIRO mountain stage.
hghepo 1 year ago 2
I happen to believe that Merckx, Greg LeMond, Hinault & Fignon all doped, just not with EPO. Them guys of yester year wouldn't have come close to contest in any of Lances 7 wins...
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
Not talented before cancer - LOOOOOOL..
He was probably as talented as he could get..
He started cycling for real at the age of 20 - 3 years later: World champion and winner of several tour de france stages..
After cancer, he started training like a mad man.. He may not have been the greatest talent of all, but his talent combined with his drive is what won him his titles..
maan1511 1 year ago
@hghepo doper or not, hes done a hell lot more hard work than you are doing by just sitting on your fat arser slating all of his videos. We dont want you here so just fuck off. Haters are such jealous bitches.
saintsrulethegay 1 year ago
He has done a lot of hard work like Madoff to fool everyone.
When someone cheats you I hope you appreciate his skills!
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo oh so you raced in the tdf and he cheated you? didnt think so!
saintsrulethegay 1 year ago
Coincidentally, it was when he had began to work with the most famous blood doping doctor : Dr Michele Ferrari;
What about the 6 EPO samples of Lance?
hghepo 1 year ago
For those that dont know. EPO increases the amount of red blood cells. Therefore increasing the amount of oxygen carried to your muscels. Puts huge strains on your heart and is VERY easily detectable. If he was on EPO there would be NO doubt about it.
Gibz101 1 year ago
Easily detectable? Marion Jones, Festina riders, Kohl, Ricco, and many other athletes who used EPO was never caught while doping for years.
There is still some kind of EPO undectable! Most of them are only detectable in a short window.
Riders like Armstrong use blood transfusion to avoid a retro detection.
hghepo 1 year ago
it is now easily detectable the same as CERA, the 'undetectable EPO. Same as there is a test for HGM. Ask the athletes of the 90's about that!
stewlax 1 year ago
3:01 was my fav
MyZeldaLink 2 years ago
thing is hghepo you know shit about what he has or hasnt done and yer you can say he doped but tbf its likely that if he did dope (which im not saying he did), then most probably everyone else did! Your just jealous that he's a elite extremely fit athlete that is 100 times better than you'll ever be at anything yet all you can do is sit on your fat arse all day slating him. GET A LIFE! He won all them TDF. END OF!
saintsrulethegay 2 years ago 4
@saintsrulethegay
man, did I lie on TV on a podium of TDF? Did I cheat all my contenders, spectators by doping? Did I do threat against riders, reporters, Lemond, the Andreus , and so...?
Did I dope?
NO so how could I be worst of Lance?
hghepo 2 years ago
@saintsrulethegay The theory is that nearly all Olympic/World champions now days are on some type of enhancer. The chemists can now make enhancers that can't be detected. Sport - Is not clean at that level. Nor will it ever be.
Gibz101 1 year ago
@Gibz101 yer and i agree with that statement. But you cant just crticise one person for it when its likely most of them have taken P.E.D's. All im saying is that hes jsut getting more criticism because he won.
saintsrulethegay 1 year ago
lance is just a superior athelete... I clear champion from an early age.
smithsil 2 years ago 4
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fpyout 2 years ago
The Legend of the Tour
Will be ages (if ever) before anyone beats 7 Tour De France wins.
fitforlife101 2 years ago 4
With the biopassport it would be more difficult to dope even if today it's not yet enough sstrong to catch the biggest dopers.
But in a few years we will learn that a 48% hematocrit at the end of TDF is a clear sign of blood doping, so the riders who had recorded by the past such values in the 3rd week of TDF were doping.
hellsadore 2 years ago 4
1 more sour idiot get a life
aetaliano11 2 years ago
Don't fprget to read Ashenden interview on velocitynation about the EPO use of Lance in 1999.
Do you believe he could have stay at the same level without EPO from 2000 to 2005 and beat all other EPO or blood transfusion users like the full T-Mobile team?
hghepo 2 years ago 3
@hghepo
Ok you troll, then how did every test he took for EPO between 2000-2005 come back negative?
btinder711 2 years ago 3
For 2000 we know since the existence of EPO test was revealed. No human EPO was found in all US Postal samples when they were retested by french police after US Postal team dropped their actovegin boxes.
So they had cleared EPO with protease or soap put in their urine.
Then Lance can have used microdosing EPO, or more likely ARANESP EPO which was only detectable in 2005 by a new test.
Blood doping for the 3 last years.
How did Marion Jones who never tested positive despite EPO use?
hghepo 2 years ago
@hghepo
You have grand claims but no evidence to support any of it. Seriously, what concrete evidence do you have to support your claims?
Lance's '99 samples? They were six years old before they were tested and couldn't actually be verified because they were just B samples with no A samples to compare.
btinder711 2 years ago 3
6 different samples >> A+ B sample
No need of a A samples to test the presence of a substance... 2 differents testing can be made because it's impossible to tamper samples with EPO, so the remaining errors are procedural or human errors, easy to cut the samples in 2, 3 or 4 parts and test them by different people and/or lab.
concrete evidences are his hematocrit levels around 48% at the end of his 99-2005 TDF! Impossible when riders registred a average drop of 6 or 7. 50 - 5 = 45% max!
hghepo 2 years ago
don't forget that Lance' s hematocrit is around 41% !!!
How could he has got 48%?
Only EPO and/or blood doping can do that.
hghepo 2 years ago
Or (high) stage training !!!!!!
55liesbeth 2 years ago
hghepo, get a life, seriously
btinder711 2 years ago 5
astral360 is right
rudipell90 2 years ago
I expect something more than 3rd place at next year's Tour.What do you think?
aleksandur63 2 years ago
If y R looking at Lance's ITT of Monaco or Annecy, he had been lucky to be third, 5th or 8th should have been his real values. Klöden was clearly stronger. Lance benefited of his escape and the lack of fight at Andorra.
Maybe he was ill as suggest some people who have looked to the significant drop of his reticulocytes which were very low despite 2 jumps of hematocrit.
He could improve next year but it will be difficult to beat Contador or Schleck.
hellsadore 2 years ago 29
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chrisbear08 2 years ago
man... he wasn't recorering from cancer last three years...and there is no sense if he was recovering how he bacame 3th without training. You are talking bullshit. If you are not as well known with the situation please don't post silly comments. How on earth will astana do better without Lance , Kloden, Leipheimer...even Oscar Freire racing within ASTANA ?
aleksandur63 2 years ago
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clayker39 2 years ago
Lance has been tested 24+ times in 2009. Are you saying that each and every test is either a bribe or coverup? LOL
smithsil 2 years ago
The part of LA doping that I find hard to swallow is that after 7 TdF wins, he would've required near godlike evading skills to come clean, even during off-season where they are still randomly tested, also unlikely is that no one has come out of this on CNN. Until there is hard evidence, I will remain at Lance's side... or until he admits it.
For all we know he did dope, or he unknowingly did, or, he just didn't. but there are no evidences for any of it.
astral360 2 years ago
Lot of doped athletes are never caught by testing only by police. Festina, Operation Puerto, Juventus, Telecom, Oil for Drug,... prove it.
You can add Marion Jones affairs who was tested 160 times while doped with steroid, IGF, growth hormone and EPO, but she never tested positive. Ricco blamed the testing because he was only caught 2 times for CERA use despite being tested 7 days long. Lance 2000 urines had no hEPO, destroyed probably by soap to remove proof of rEPO use
u368 2 years ago 5
Of course, there is evidences of Lance doping : 5 legal testimonies. There is still Lance samples waiting for retesting. As pointed by hghepo why Lance had refused to retest them in a different lab if he were clean? What would you do if you were clean? Remove the doubts or not?
At the top of the sport there is less than 1% of difference between the top 3 athletes? Most of the top ten of Lance TDF have convicted of EPO use? How could he have beaten them all in regard of the 20% boost of EPO?
u368 2 years ago 13
Testimonies are just that, unless it is substantiated. I said in the previous post that the only way for LA to be caught doping is if he dopes again, and is retested by today's standard and that the lab follows the protocol of testing. Or, he admits it himself.
I stated in the previous post that, LA doping is a possibility, but without hard evidence, there is nothing you and I can do about it.
astral360 2 years ago
@u368 Nobody is tested more than Lance. Only true evidence is a fair positive test. Until we see that....
ferraribh1 1 year ago
@ferraribh1 Wrong. Marion Jones, Cippolini, Zabel, Schumacher, Valverde have been more tested than Lance. Most important they have never tested positive despite doping.
Lance had been tested 7 times positives: 1 corticosteroid cleared by UCI with $500.000 "donations" and 6 EPO still on LNDD shelves. And probably one more times in Switzerland according Landis and old rumors.
u368 1 year ago
@u368 You said it, even if he was dopped he was just leveling him self to the others, and kicking there ass. Lance was probably doped, but who cares..take off drugs he'll still kick all their ass's ;)
notokid 1 year ago
@notokid In 1993-94, there is very very few riders using EPO inside pro, and Lance was unable to stay with the best on moutain stages. More important his body was not able to race 10 days. So his ass was easily kicked on stage races.
Without the help of the Dr Ferrari and his EPO, he would never have done the top 20 of any TDF.
u368 1 year ago
@u368 That's because he doesn't belong to the top three. He was above the top three back then, number 1, 2 and 3 were second, third and fourth place. Armstrong was unbeatable, a different class.
Also, if Armstrong used EPO, why weren't the others using it too? And if they used it, there was still the big difference between the them and Lance. Armstrong is just the best, is that so hard to accept? That's what sport is all about right, stretching the envelope. Armstrong did exactly that.
doritowarrior 1 year ago
@doritowarrior Are we all equal with medicines? Could the rides all pay $600.000 to Dr. Ferrari for the exclusivity of the top doping program?
Is it fair to race with a Fiat when Armstrong was racing with Ferrari?
What about riders who refused to dope and was belittled by Armstrong?
Why did Lance bash people who pointed his doping? Was he right to do so? Why has he to lie on 2005 podium explaining that they were all clean?
u368 1 year ago
@u368 So Armstrong has always been rich? Is there any solid proof for the rest? I still don't understand why he should be brought down. Just because we don't understand something doesn't mean it can't exist... Of course it's superhuman what Lance has done, but for some people jogging for 5 miles seems already superhuman. It's all perception...
doritowarrior 1 year ago
@doritowarrior Lance won $1.000.000 in 1993 or 94 for the Thrift Drug Classic !
I don't understand how people could believe Lance after EPO was found in 6 different samples of Lance in 1999 when cycling (and other sports) are using commonly EPO... when EPO gives a huge advantage able to change an average pro-rider like Riis to a winner.
How Lance did to beat Ullrich, Beloki, .... who were using EPO?
How can he get a 48% hematocrit when naturally he has 41%?
u368 1 year ago
@u368 There's a huge difference between high hematocrit levels and actually using EPO. The Tour de France takes an enormous amount of energy to complete. The human body will try to adapt to this need of supply. One of the solutions for the body is making a large amount of red blood cells to be able to transport larger amounts of oxygen to the muscles. Now, I don't think a 7% rise is substantial evidence that his hematocrit valuehas been raised artificially.
doritowarrior 1 year ago
@doritowarrior Unfortunately, a hematocrit drop between 5 or 7 points is the "norm" for such type of events. So Lance could have 12-14 points above usual... why did he not achieve such magic performance since biopassport was set up?
u368 1 year ago
@doritowarrior Unfortunately, a hematocrit drop between 5 or 7 points is the "norm" for such type of events. So Lance could have 12-14 points above usual... why did he not achieve such magic performance since biopassport set up?
u368 1 year ago
@doritowarrior
Lance's test results have shown his hematocrit actually increasing during the Tour which is the complete opposite of what is naturally supposed to happen. For example, if you begin the Tour with a hematocrit of say 41% it will naturally be reduced to about 37-38% by the end. In the case of Lance his values actually go from 41% to over 43% which indicate blood doping. The human body simple doesn’t work this way naturally.
mrcardio9r 1 year ago
@mrcardio9r Of course Armstrong could indeed have been using doping. However there's also the possibility that he's an extraordinary athlete with extraordinary capabilities. Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Now I don't believe in miracles or something but paradigm's aren't altogether my thing either...
doritowarrior 1 year ago
@doritowarrior We understand now how EPO can affect performance... we have seen Lance performance before he has worked with the doctor Ferrari, a specialist of EPO blood doping. We know too that EPO was found in Lance's samples of 1999 TDF. there is testimonies of ex-team-mates , his masseuse and so confirming Lance's doping.
But now if you want to believe that Earth is flat, you can !
u368 1 year ago
@u368 Yes, but I don't understand why Lance needs to be hunted. His Tour chapter is closed you know. Or do you want him to give his tour trophies back?! As I said, maybe he did use doping but why do you need to have him brought down? Do you want justice?! Lance already went through the pits of hell itself trying to recover from cancer... Let him have his glory! That would be quite fair... Also I'd like to point out that humanity is nowhere near knowing the complete functioning of the human body.
doritowarrior 1 year ago
@doritowarrior Lance lied and still lies about many things, has tarnished a lot of people and has never said "sorry" to Bassons, Simeoni, Andreu, Lemond, people working in lab, reporters,... He accused unfairly the french of witch-hunt. Now that is Landis who is victim of Lance.
Even if a robber retires police has to bring him down.
What about the 2 entities livestrong, one is a profit business, for many people that is seen as a scam. Who want to believe in a such liar? People deserve truth.
u368 1 year ago
@doritowarrior Strange thoughts you have. Lance got cancer probably because of steroids abuse, his ex- junior team mates of US got too serious illness, and they sued Carmichael for having injected them with a lot of PED. Carmichael settled the lawsuit.
So Lance was lucky to escape cancer. He don't have eaned the right to steal people of fame and money as you think.
Next time that a poor guy steals your car, don't forget because he had suffered a lot, he was right to do it. Don't complain!
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo Well actually I think that you guys shouldn't assume and take over every single gossip that circulates the internet (I know that's an overstatement...). Secondly Armstrong was not that good before he got cancer, so what was the point of him using steroids. Furthermore I don't think that using steroids will cause cancer. I can bore you guys with every argument I have on that statement, but that won't get us anywhere. Also I think that you're using a pretty bad analogy there...
doritowarrior 1 year ago 3
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@mrcardio9r, Greg clearly doped cos Lance didn't & Greg thinks Lance doped & Lance didn't, so therefore Greg must have doped. I think we can all agree on that.
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mrcardio9r 1 year ago
btw some sado had made like 25 youtube accounts so he can do thumbs up on his comments implying armstrong doped.
27 thumbs up... trust me, its very suspicious
bkermike 2 years ago
Josheba Beloki
schubeto 2 years ago
whats the name of the rider that falls in front of Lance before he rides down the Hill?
Wolvve 2 years ago
That was Joseba Beloki.
damnpoor 2 years ago
I like the music, though :/
MrGrunz 2 years ago
me too bro
Wolvve 2 years ago
there is still a mute button
rainerasi 2 years ago 2
if your logic was correct then he would have failed the test - he passed the test, and every other one - you are not a scientist, it's not common sense of compare this number to that previous numbers
Swedemon 2 years ago
Science said human hct are relatively stable, decreases a bit with age but outside dehydration only 3 or 4 points are already a big change.
Armstrong has conceded to have a natural 40-42 hct. Question: how could he get 48-49 at the end of his TDF ?
If he didn't dope why was he not able to do the same that year? The only change was the biopassport which make difficult to transfuse too much of his own blood.
With his 6 EPO of 1999, others doping stories,... one conclusion he doped.
hghepo 2 years ago 20
Sad that you have to use multiple accounts to seemingly make your statement credible.
astral360 2 years ago
The credibility of my statement are done by the support of newspapers; of a lot of bike racing forum or wikipedia in different languages. You just has to google "Armstrong doping" to verify all of my information.
Fan boys have just myths and lies to oppose to facts (6 +1 positive samples), legal testimonies, clues and dubious blood values.
hghepo 2 years ago
And google as well "Phelps doping", "Ullrich doping", "Pacquiao doping", "Tyson doping". See my point? You trust wikipedia? lol. Tell me which article is that, and I'll edit it, see if you'll trust it again.
A simple analogy, if LA dopes, then every cyclists dopes as well, then why is it that LA still comes out on top? You subtract doping out of the equation, you are left with hard training. Same will Ullrich, people said he doped, still got beaten by LA.
astral360 2 years ago
Of course all others top 10 riders of EPO eras were doped, it's the same for other sports. Ullrich admitted his doping by saying it was easy to know what was doing riders with all doping affairs.
6 + 2 + 1 Lance' samples were found by a scientist process to have EPO or corticoid.
When scientist like Ashenden confirms the finding, the method, and the validity of the results, it's not hearsay. Why Lance never sued lab or L'Equipe? Maybe because samples are still there and can be retested.
hghepo 2 years ago
regarding the 6 times he tested positive for EPO in 1999, the UCI federation itself said that the anti-doping procedures weren't followed. Therefore voiding the results. Plus the tests done on 1999 was to look for EPO, not synthetic EPO, EPO can be high on athletes on Altitude training.
Plus the cream used was a corticosteroid, I actually use that down under for something else. Well, it didn't help me win the LA triathlon either.
astral360 2 years ago
Aan WADA said itself that the findings are real. Who has the most interest to lie? A sport federation known to cover doping since a while, known to have accepted and hide for a while a $500.000 bribe from Armstrong? Who said for years that doping was just a few bad apples? Should we believe a lawyer like Vrijman or world leaders in blood doping like Australian Ashenden or Italian Parisotto?
Why Lance still refuses to retest his samples in a chosen lab? What about his hct close of 50%?
hghepo 2 years ago
Yes yes, the findings were real or whatever, and as I've said, the federation said the samples were handled improperly. Will you accept a check with a wrong signature? That is the case here. A single mismanagement of the samples could tip the scales in any direction.
And here you again with the bribe thing. Please show me a link from a credible, unbiased website/group/person.
astral360 2 years ago
And WADA said they were valid... scientists too. If you prefer to believe UCI which received a bribe of $500.000 from Lance in 2000, it's your choice, we prefer chose logic and Occam's razor principle
u368 2 years ago 11
I know you want to prove your point, but by putting the word "logic" on every argument it doesn't make you look credible, it makes you look like you just placed it there to appear "legit". And I looked at the websites, and the bribe are allegations, not proven by an independent, unbiased commission/group.
And occam's razor is the simplest form, hence lance didn't dope, which is the easiest explanation. You're probably talking abour Murphy's law, which is "Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong."
astral360 2 years ago
seriously, why should the UCI care about a bribe of 500.000$?
that's like nothing for such a huge organisation ;)
MrGrunz 2 years ago 3
About the bribe you can go on "Playthegame" website and have a look on the 2009 conference presentation of June 9. There is a pdf document of Ashenden about ethics and efficiency using that bribe to support his presentation. Access by menu > Presentation
hghepo 2 years ago 6
I forgot to mention that there is reference to it in the SCA trial. Its transcript can be found on some cycling forum.
You can read that article : "Allegations Trail Armstrong Into Another Stage" of Los Angeles Times, you can find it by google. It would give you a better picture of the real situation
hghepo 2 years ago 6
Allegations? And it was inconclusive as well.
astral360 2 years ago
And so Ashenden claims? Do you have anything to substantiate those claims?
astral360 2 years ago
Lance said he used that cream because it has the same molecule found in his urine.
Do you believe that Landis used only patch of Testosterone to "win" TDF? Of course not as showed his blood values, he was on an elaborated doping program.
It was the same for Lance, EPO as found in 6 +2 samples...
Why most of the athletes have TUE? Just to hide the use of other doping product.
hghepo 2 years ago
Though I can understand your point, I'm also taking up exercise science, and nursing as well, irregular values are annoying. I am still reading on most of the links in your profile, though I find some of them aren't really that credible.
I still reaffirm my argument on the corticosteroid cream. In no way can it be used to increase performance. They checked LA's urine, they found corticosteroids, and that's all, corticosteroid will not mask other substances in your urine. And it is proven.
astral360 2 years ago
Hard training is a stupid concept. Everyone is limited by natur. Above that limit, more training destroys the benefit. Some people can reach their maximum by training 3hours, other 4 hours but only gifts make the difference between 2 people at their optimum training limit.
But doping allows to train harder than clean athletes. I suggest you read Dr. Conte, Balco scandal about that point.
There is some links in my youtube profil.
hghepo 2 years ago
Hard training is not a stupid concept, you're insulting all the athletes in the world that do that. For us triathletes, hard training is called base training, we increase our mileage 10-15% per week, and that's week 20-12 before race day. Though I don't know about the training tdf riders do, since they are 1 sport oriented.
Please use only 1 account, I get confused easily. =(
astral360 2 years ago
Please, the Lance's fan should only use 1 account. You use always the same word, the same arguments,... and they are refuted by the facts about Lance's doping. That confuses easily Lance' boy who are easily brain weak.
Lance used the lie of "training harder than everyone", so in cycling we use hard training to reference that point.
In all sport too much training (hard or soft) regarding his ponctual potential is worst than less training.
hghepo 2 years ago
FYI, this is my account, I have no idea what you are blabbering about. I am using the same arguments, which you have failed to answer or provide irrefutable evidence. And as for your arguments, I have already answered that, but you still reply it over and over again.
I believe you really have no idea what training does to the body. Sad. And what's a "ponctual"? You're really not making any sense right now.
astral360 2 years ago
@hghepo is lying.. Armstrong has never tested positive for EPO... hes just another broken record.
smithsil 1 year ago
@smithsil Lance has 6 + 2 of his 1999 TDF urine samples which have remote EPO inside, that is the reality. Did Lance sue L'Equipe or anyone of the other newspapers which reported that? NO. Why did Lance refuse an other retesting of those samples by any lab he would have chosen? That could have proved he was clean.
BTW the EPO found is just a confrmation of Andreu or Landis' words about the US Postal doping program.
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo
Those samples were obtained under false pretenses therefore the testing methods and motives must also be called into question. Hence, ARMSTRONG was not charged and has never tested positive.
smithsil 1 year ago
@smithsil You are trying to confuse people. You perfectly know that those samples were obtained during the 1999 TDF. The A samples were used at that time and in 2004 the B samples were retested. Some samples were found to have EPO inside. A journalist Ressiot got the scientific report and was able to link the positive samples with riders : 6 + 2 of them belonged to Armstrong.
So the point is that Lance doped, cheated and still lies.
Like the Watergate, that is the truth the important.
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo - The samples were taken during the 99 TDF and thats fine. We both know that when the samples were re-tested, the identity of the cyclist in question (LA) was obtained under false pretenses. Under no circumstances would I consider the testing methods legal.
"The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty and that I have no way to defend myself. They state: 'There will therefore be no counter-exam nor regulatory prosecutions"
smithsil 1 year ago
@smithsil The fact that Ressiot was foxy to obtain the identity of the cyclist does not change the fact that Lance doped.
The paper never said that the science is faulty. Only UCI said that because of lack of A samples the finding can not be used to sanction Lance. BUT the finding is REAL and VALID as a scientific process. And 6 different EPO samples are a much more stronger evidence that a A + B positive sample.
LANCE DOPED with EPO UNDOUBTLY despit your spinning, he is a cheater and liar .
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo this is a no spin zone
smithsil 1 year ago
And just an other clues of Lance's doping. The Danes say that blood values of Lance are roten. But why don't he get an hematocrit of 49 like he did in the other TDF by training high? Og course because he just doped in the past with EPO or blood transfusion.
u368 2 years ago 4
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Fuck lance Armstrong. Fuck him and his ball, his steroids, yellow shirts, and that fucking empty expression on his face.
numerrita 2 years ago
I don't like him so much either, but I have much respect for him
papapippo13 2 years ago
@papapippo13
How can you respect a guy, who "won" TDF 7 times?
VikingInvaders 2 years ago
hey!! look its u again.. the armstrong hater... btw.. the whole thing on empty expression.. ok well go out ride a bike for 3 hour or more (or u can go for like a time trial thing so like 15 miles) at as fast as u can go and tell me if u make any expression at all k??
AllOut2k 2 years ago
The vocals in that song are like nails on a chalk board.
cashmatt 2 years ago
the mans a machine.
daniellansley 2 years ago
that song is nice :D
sietsepvisser 2 years ago
I do not know that Lance Armstong is the best cycler ever. But i know, he won 7 times the tour the france, the hardest race in the world.
Beat2kill 2 years ago 4
Soulripper.. hmm.. eddie merckx is a great rider.. ill give you that.. maybe 2nd.. but the best (IMO) is Erik zabel :D.. the man could accelerate and get to 100 km/hr ... thats insane!
alexanderJanku 2 years ago
The highest speed in a sprint recorded is 75 km/h by Cipollini. Zabels is 71 I believe...
Ponka00 2 years ago
100km/hr thats impossible without a wind behind you, or going downhill, its impossible...
partylwc 2 years ago
wow what happens @ 3:11 ??? was he disqualifield?
Fuzzilala11 2 years ago
no.... he couldnt avoid this
RickHacket 2 years ago
Nope, he wasn't disqualified.
JTMarlin8 2 years ago
no disqualified, didn't gain any advantage. actually it was amazing he stayed up through the field. Amazing bike handling!
chadtibb 2 years ago
how good a bike handling that was? Just look at the Orange jersey behind him, who saw the incident from much further back with more time to adjust, had to slam on his brakes and come to a holt, pure Lance Amrstrong
jackwills101 2 years ago
yeah lance won a mountainbike race today in colorado... he was nearly 25 minutes faster than a mountainbike racer who won that race 6 times... awesome for a normal cyclist... ok armstrong isn't normal... he's the best
rainerasi 2 years ago
heyyy.. i really like the music !!
didikjulianto 2 years ago
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EPO Lance
Panic1177 2 years ago
HA! Pathetic. No one has evidence. So cool!!!
Ajax110 2 years ago
Panic1177 is a bit obsessed by Lance. Maybe also a bit in love. He's trying to put his feelings away to say negative things about Armstrong.
Of course he can't have it that Jan Ullrich lost sveral times from Lance.
You know Panic, you're a hypocritic dude! I think in Germany and Italy are the most dopers. Think about the DDR and Freiburg and stuff.
Ajax110 2 years ago
Lnce = cancer survivor = his prettiest victory !
He is a great champion !
thucydidesse 2 years ago 4
idiot