I will say again. The website no longer exists. All the info including scientific method, sources, bibliography etc was on there and got wiped out. i will try to recreate it here but I don't know why people are so angry because I am talking about events from over 1000 years ago. Huatz means "to dry". Aztlan means dry land not an island. The Metzica were exiled to Snake City or Coatecpec. The Hohokam's most important settlement is called Snake Town. They both cremated their dead.
Oh gracias a dios and ometeotl BOTH...now i can move on, whew!!! me and Indiana Jones been lookin for that forevers...and now u found it, right in ur fuckin backyard, how convenient...y que, u gonna set up a gift shop? sell some aztec calendar clocks, lowrider shirts n lucha masks? CMON get real...u found mierda...THIS is the reason Xicanos r fuct up right now, being fake scientists n chasing bullshit instead of LEARNING and DOING...aztlan is a state of mind puto, not a hole in the ground!
@cabronfeo You are a bitter little fool. News flash: there is already a gift shop here baboso. They call them the "Hohokam". Ometeotl is dios! I wrote all the facts in the comments of this video. Did you bother to read? Making the assumption that I don't LEARN AND DO!! What do you "do"?? Aztlan is an actual place puto! The Metzica were here in 1006 AD and they left evidence and wrote about it in their history.
@endinghunger Take it easy. I'm talking about events that occurred over 1,000 yrs ago. West of Phoenix is a etching on a stone that depicts the Metzica (Aztec) Constellation Citlal (celestial) Colotl (Scorpion). Both the Hohokam & Metzica practiced cremation. The timelines coincide with the decline of the Hohokam & and the rise of the Metzica. Near where I am standing in the video is 4 Waters Park. It is a Hohokam Waterway. The language of the Metzica was Nau (4) Atl (Water). Aztlan=dry land.
All natives originally come from Asia, shouldn't that be Aztlan? Why don't you do your reconquista there? Why not claim Canada or China as your homeland. Your ancestors passed through there.
No race has a homeland, we are all migrants. The land belongs to whomever conquers the current residents. That is the rule of nature.
You only want America because there is money here. Why not fight for it like warriors with honor. Warriors don't beg and play victim.
@Covadanga The war is already over and you don't even know it. Look around you. Bigots are a vanishing threat.
Atztlan means "The Dried Up Valley". The Metzica lived at Coatepec (Snake Town) and Snake Town is near Phoenix. There is a petroglyph of the Metzica constellation Citlalcolotl near Phoenix. Metzica cremated their dead and the Hohokam did also. and yes they were driven out of Phoenix around 1400 AD when the bulk of the people went to Tenochtitlan. God bless you .
@drzaco55 Man, I'm talking about events from over 1000 years ago and y'all are getting all worked up. The demographics are changing. Its called evolution. You could shoot your sks til the barrel melts and you still couldn't stop it. This land will be healed and Canada, US & Mexico will be one. Might take 50 yrs but its starting now. May God bless you with inter-racial babies & grandbabies.
Aztlan is located somewhere south to the sonoran desert by Nayarit area. I can undarstand why some mexican-americans want to believe Aztlain is in the US territory though. It is because they want to get some kind of ownership feeling or something.
@gadslca The Metzica were in Phoenix in 1006 A.D. They documented the Supernova explosion of 1006 AD on a stone in the White Tank Mountains west of Phoenix. There is a depiction of the Metzica constellation Citlalcolotl or Celestial Scorpion. Both the Hohokam AND Metzica cremated their dead, used black and red ink on pottery and both lived in Snake Town.
@MEGAAMERICANPATRIOT GO TO HELL MOTH$%%$!!!!!, USTEDES ROBARON ESE TERRITORIO, APROVECHANDO LA TIBIEZA DEL GOBIERNO Y LOS PROBLEMAS INTERNOS DE EL PAIS, LADRONES DE QUINTA CATEGORIA QUE AHORA SE CREEN SUPERIORES POBRES DIABLOS SI TODOS SOMOS HIJOS DE LA INMIGRACION, AUNQUE LES ARDA
wow really. you cant belive that people that lived so close to each other might have shared some of there culture with one another. LMAO proven fact mexican & native americans do not share bloodline in 90% of cases. So take your revolution back to mexico and fight to clean up you own country i think they can use it there.
@tzotziyolotl Never said that they didnt live there lolz but the fast is that the majority or Mexicans DON'T share native bloodline there for this bull about this is there land is just another fail accuse.
Hello lovers of Aztlan! It seems as though America has finally woken up and realized whe are in a brown nightmare. Arizona started a wave that will soon encompass the entire USA. The current politicians are loosing their seats faster than they can turn around. The new platform to run on, is to stop illegal immigration. If you think America will tolerate youre presense here any longer, you are sadly mistaken. Get your maps out, your headed home! VIVA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
@tzotziyolotl Hahaha There was never an Aztlan!! You losers are barking up an imaginary tree. Ball court? Did the Aztecs (who didn't venture farther north than San Luis Potosi) bring a rubber ball all the way from the Yucatan? The Aztecs weren't welcome there either.
@LillyBlackSambo The Metzica AND Hohokam cremated their dead. There is a depiction of the Mexican Constellation Citlalcolotl (celestial scorpion) in the White Tank Mountains west of Phoenix. The Metzica were exiled to Coatecpec (Snake Town) . The largest Hohokam settlement is Snake Town. The language of the Metzica is Nahuatl (4 Water). There is a Hohokam Canal at the 4 Water archeological site in Tempe. God Bless You.
The Mexica story of The Birth of Huitzilopochtli says that the Mexica were in Coatepec when they witnessed IT. IT was the Supernova of 1006 A.D (SN 1006) see video on my you tube channel. There is evidence of the Mexica presence in the White Tanks Mountains west of Phoenix in the form of a Scorpion petroglyph that represents the Mexica constellation Citlalcolotl or Celestial Scorpion. So the Mexica were in the White Tanks Mountains of Arizona in 1006 A.D.
@tzotziyolotl Hey before that the Anazasi were there and built a glorious civilzation .They also had an advanced astronomy so what?That doesnt mean Azlatan is any more than a myth used by Spanish speaking Mexicans to lay claim lands that have been inhabited by Natives for generations BEFORE Mexico ever "claimed" them
Aztlan has been misinterpreted. Atz or Az actually means "dry" like the desert. The Analytical Dictionary of Nahuatl states that "Huatz" means "to dry". The word Nahuatl means "4 waters". Another off limits "Hohokam" site is called Four Waters Park and has massive irrigation canals.
The Mexica were exiled from the Valley of Mexico to Coatepec or Snake Town. Snake Town is possibly the most important "Hohokam" archeological site and is located just south of Phoenix, AZ. In fact, it is so important that it is not open to the public. Coatepec has been misinterpreted as "Snake Mountain".
You stole Aztlan from us and we will get it back! With millions of immigrants having what you call Anchor Babies will enable us to take back control of our lands that were stolen by your illegal treaty! That treaty means nothing to us! It is our land and we will take it back without firing a shot. Your gullible gringo politicians are helping us acheive our goal.
@AtzlanAvenger So does this mean we can break Your laws like You do ours?Does this mean We will become as corrupt as Mexico?Will the concept innocent until proven guilty be replaced by Napoleaonic law as practice in Mexico?Your people signed a treary now You want to break it?Viva California,U.S.A..!
and up north expands its territory almost to Canada. Aztlan is commonly an area dominated by Mexican Americans, mexicanos, Latinos Hispanos.- the largest majority in the U.S.A.-
I can place the Metzica or Mexica (if you prefer) in Phoenix in 1006 A.D. The Birth of Huitzilopochtli and The Hohokam Supernova Theory are one and the same. There is a petroglyph that shows a scorpion constellation next to a Supernova in the White Tanks Mountains. The scorpion is the Mexica Constellation Citlalcolotl. I will post my complete theory on here soon. It was on my website but lack of support forced me to shut down the site.
The glorious civilization of the Metzika was, in fact, a civilization created by the Tzitzimeka of Atztlan. Enslaved by the Toltec and their descendants until they overthrew Matztla and the Tepanecs. All people from "North America" can take pride in their accomplishments.
Your ignorant people come to the United States and instead of trying to learn english and become americans they fly their shitty mexican flag and they piss and moan for free healthcare and a free ride.
We owe you nothing, And Americans are sick of supporting your ignorant lazy CROOKED race.
The time is coming soon when the shit hits the fan and american citizens shoot you DEAD in a national emergency.
You owe us everything, especially since you stole our land, so we will take advantage of the 14th amendment and all of the benefits that are rightfully ours. It is too late for you gringos. We've already won! We will be granted some form of amnesty and our children are our future. They will be educated and take over by becoming part of the voting process and Aztlan will rise and you can't do shit about it! Ja ja ja ja ja.
Over the last 6 months white americans have bought more guns and ammo than the last 20 years combined.
We watched the Turd World illegal hispanics march in Los Angeles and burn our flag.
We watched as your illegal anchor baby brown trash half-witted children fly their flag of ignorance and corruption at the schools that AMERICANS pay for.
The will come when you invaders will realize (TO LATE) That you have angered a giant with no mercy.
You brown anti-american trash actually think you can invade my country and force your red green and white flag of corruption and ignorance on the strong and proud people of the United States.
You are confused.
The Spanish Conquistos raped and murdered the INCAs and Aztecs out of existence , And the result of that genocide is the Half Breed MEXICAN.
Your brown TRASH people will be shot down on the streets of the USA and pissed on like the invading scum you are.
@Blood88Honor There are already Mexican Flags flying in Dodge City, Kansas, Brother. Eventually there will be a bullet train running from Costa Rica to Canada. People like you are a dying breed. Here's to a multi-racial future. God bless you.
because of europeans mexicans were forced to work in what is now the USA under the monarchy (redistribution of labourers) and many aztecs (true aztecs from aztlan aka the four corner states) were chased into hiding in mexico from their home land.
mexico and aztlan are a mixed up people because of europeans
Ok, now you are just trolling. You are actually trying to tell me that the Mexica would have welcomed 5000 or 50,000 Anasazi immigrants or migrants and let them settle wherever they felt like on Lake Texcoco . ROFL.
Migrants and immigrants are nearly synonymous. One has to more with work than the other, that's all.
@bluebird1787 Actually, it was the wave of migrants coming from the north like the Apache & Pima that forced the Metzica out of Phoenix around 1450-1470 A.D. The decline of the Hohokam coincides with the rise of the Metzica.
So your argument for a separate race comes from ignorant(long time ago) and racist European explorers and missionaries and the fact that there was a common species of plant life in the Americas. Belief in a Creator is universal in human societies and the four cardinal points were discovered by every early civilization.
"Belief in a Creator is universal in human societies and the four cardinal points were discovered by every early civilization." - so then why are you trying to classify us and differentiete between us?
LaSantaMuerte, All cultures are different, all humans are the same. You are the one arguing that there is a unique indigenous American race that only encompasses peoples of the Americas and that it gives them rights to any lands in the Americas. That makes no sense. The Wyandot owned land as individuals and the Shoshone lived as communal hunter gathers at the same time before any Europeans immigrants showed up. Property rights, borders, conflict, slavery and even conquest predate Europeans.
so what you are saying is that we should divide ourselves instead of unifying? indigenous peoples are simply indigenous peoples, and if you want all the indigenous peoples to divide themselves then go to a powow, were many indigenous peoples gather and declare what you are stating.
Were all human, but you cant deny the fact that theres differences between all of us, simply just me and you disagree on something. I mean, you cant deny the fact that black people look different than white people.
So your argument for a separate race comes from ignorant(long time ago) and racist European explorers and missionaries and the fact that there was a common species of plant life in the Americas. Belief in a Creator is universal in human societies and the four cardinal points were discovered by every early civilization.
Imagine if the Anasazi and the Mexica both had large, expansive and vibrant civilizations at the same time. Do you think the Mexica would have welcomed Anasazi immigrants as anything other than slaves?
the anasazi were a group of people that lived in the area of arizona years before the mexica peoples settled in wherever aztlan was located and tenochtitlan. BTW, the anasazi wouldnt have been immigrants, but migrants, BIG difference.
I never said you said "indiginous were superior." I said I had read others write that previously. I also wrote that your logic of land rights in the Americas is similar to what Hitler used to justify the German claim of the Sudetenland.
You think it's an Aztec ball court, great! Prove it.
Then, realize that if you want to claim Arizona for your particular definition of a "race" or people you are pissing in the wind.
Also, your logic is flawed. According to your logic, descendants of American culture in the distant future can claim the right to lands where baseball or basketball was played.
the difference with baseball, basketball and the aztec ball game is that only our ancestors played the aztec ball game and no one else.. as opposed to baseball and basketball which is played by everyone in the world.
So if you find an aztec ball court, who do think lived there? ;)
My point is that cultural artifacts from past civilizations can be found outside the area where the civilization actually governed. There are countless real examples. Roman roads or currency, Christmas trees, hamburgers, language, etc.
Also, didn't the Mexica god send the 7 tribes out of Aztlan to their new homeland? and isn't the Mexica homeland in the area now called Mexico City?
Presicely, though we never actually "governed" Aztlan, our ancestors simply lived there. If you find archeological evidence of a certain group of people in a certain place its highly likely they at some point in time resided there or simply set foot there. Google this; danger cave Utah.
Listen, I am not at all opposed to the idea or even fact of Aztlan. However, even if Aztlan is found, researched and proven by the academic community it still isn't the homeland of the Mexica. So, if there is no divine claim to the land only possible, and currently unproven, historical evidence that humans lived there and moved on to settle and found a civilization elsewhere.
youre thinking is too limited, even though the homeland for the mexica is Tenochtitlan, it was the same people who resided in Aztlan. Keep in mind that according to the stories regarding aztlan, 7 tribes migrated but a few stayed in aztlan, those few being relatives of the other 7 tribes.. thus relatives of the mexica.
Though were aztlan is located is not important, it would be cool to know but I dont think it would be ground breaking or earth shattering, you know what Im saying?
Regardless where its located, history shows that migration was something that all the indigenous peoples practiced in both North and South america.
BTW humans did in fact live in that area,, those ball courts didnt build themselves. How is it unproven that humans didnt set foot there? I mean, this guy filmed some evidence of human prescence in Arizona.
I don't deny that there are many archeological ruins throughout the Southwest, Americas and entire world. Humans have been around migrating and starting cultures and trying wiping out other cultures for a long time.
Because I have read on youtube "that everyone who settled in the Americas are one race and better than other races." I've read things like indigenous people are closer to god and nature and "white people" are evil, etc.
I am not against anyone, discovering, documenting and being proud of their heritage. However, it should be the beginning of a journey towards a better understanding of humankind, not an endpoint that leads to us vs them mindsets.
thats just youtube, and if anything thats merely just what somebody thinks. You wanna know what I do when someone says stupid things about mexicans and my indigenous ancestors? I tend not to care what that person says.
Bad ideas and hatred are like a virus. I say never give anyone much slack when they start talking in that way. I challenge my friends and strangers alike. It makes me really popular(sarcasm). I don't agree with white supremacy, or any other type of viewpoint based on one group being inherently better than another group. Take your pick. Whites vs. Native Americans, Jews vs. Gentiles, Arabs vs. Jews, Christians vs. Atheists, Atheists vs. Christians, Korean vs. Black, etc.
the difference with something like christmas trees and the aztec ball court is that the practice of setting up a christmas tree was never halted or banned, and the aztec ball court was.. thus why you wont find any other aztec ball courts in the world since the practice was prohibited by the spanish.
From everything i've read, the Mexica were the last of the 7 tribes to leave. They were ordered by their "version" of god to leave. So can the Jews go claim rights in Egypt today? There is clearly evidence of them being there. (Bible, records, archeological remains.)
the jews were in egypt because they were slaves to the pharaoh. They were sort of forced to be there. We were in the "US southwest" because thats were we resided for a long time and called it our home, simple as that.
The logic you are using is similar to Hitler's reasoning for invading the Sudetenland? I didn't want to go there; but, that is where your worldview can lead you.
Why is there a separate race of "peoples of the Americas?" please explain your reasoning.
Abraham was born in Ur(Iraq) and moved to Canaan(Israel/Palestine). Moses was born in Egypt and raised as a native then he moved his people to the promised land. The Jews from the Middle East are closely related to the Arabs and Egyptians. In some cases, it is difficult to tell an Egyptian Muslim from a Lebanese Jew on the surface; but, there are still many differences.
But youre still missing the point here, Aztlan is not that important, why? Because this whole landmass dubbed North and South "america" belonged and belongs to us. Indigenous people, whether apache, inuit, cherokee, mexica, maya, mapuche.. etc, have the right to live and migrate anywhere on this land.
Explain why there is a separate race of indigenous Americans. Inuits are very different than the Seminoles. It was racist white guys who originally said all natives were exactly the same. The Wendat(Huron) and Shoshone did not have similar cultures, traditions or languages. There are countless examples of tribal conflict throughout the Americas and the world.
there's seperate cultures, but not seperate race. Though Im against the classification and category they have put us is, we are supposed "mongoloids". In better terms, were all indigenous people, so in a way those europeans were right. Though it varies by region, all indigenous cultures(In both North & South america) possess the notion of a creator, the four directions, and 3 principal foods(corn, beans and squash).
and now that youve mentioned languages again, indeed there are similarities in our languages, though they belong to different peoples. Uto-Aztecan, Algic, Chibchan, Na-Dene, and Yuman-Cochimi language families cover vast areas of different peoples but that nevertheless share similarities
"The world does not need more tribalism." - Precisely my friend ;)
All humans have migrated and we are all indigenous to the earth. None of us came from another planet. My ancestors migrated through Africa to the Middle East and then went through what is today Afghanistan then along the Black Sea into Europe and then settled. There is genetic, historical and archeological evidence to support this; but, I cant claim rights to lands in Denmark.
though Im not saying that this guy found aztlan, the evidence which shows the prescence of the ancestors of the mexica and modern day mexicans in the upper north american deserts is there. Keep in mind that whatever people say about aztlan is merely speculation, though theres plenty of evidence to support the idea that it was somehwere in the US southwest. And now that youve mentioned language, google; Uto-Aztecan language family.. theres a reason why all those languages are related.
The video was a teaser to get you to go to the website and that is where the proof was. Economics forced me to shut down the site. I will post the proof soon. Then we can debate the facts. In my videos I traveled to different Metzica (Hohokam) sites around Arizona the ballcourt was just a archeological backdrop. I can place the Metzica in Phoenix in 1000 A.D. proof coming soon!
I will say again. The website no longer exists. All the info including scientific method, sources, bibliography etc was on there and got wiped out. i will try to recreate it here but I don't know why people are so angry because I am talking about events from over 1000 years ago. Huatz means "to dry". Aztlan means dry land not an island. The Metzica were exiled to Snake City or Coatecpec. The Hohokam's most important settlement is called Snake Town. They both cremated their dead.
tzotziyolotl 2 months ago
Oh gracias a dios and ometeotl BOTH...now i can move on, whew!!! me and Indiana Jones been lookin for that forevers...and now u found it, right in ur fuckin backyard, how convenient...y que, u gonna set up a gift shop? sell some aztec calendar clocks, lowrider shirts n lucha masks? CMON get real...u found mierda...THIS is the reason Xicanos r fuct up right now, being fake scientists n chasing bullshit instead of LEARNING and DOING...aztlan is a state of mind puto, not a hole in the ground!
cabronfeo 7 months ago
@cabronfeo You are a bitter little fool. News flash: there is already a gift shop here baboso. They call them the "Hohokam". Ometeotl is dios! I wrote all the facts in the comments of this video. Did you bother to read? Making the assumption that I don't LEARN AND DO!! What do you "do"?? Aztlan is an actual place puto! The Metzica were here in 1006 AD and they left evidence and wrote about it in their history.
tzotziyolotl 2 months ago
The Hohokam & The Metzica or Mexica are the same people. Read below to find out more.
tzotziyolotl 7 months ago
I'm a 100% Mexican and the people that believe in the Aztlan bullshit can kiss my ASS.
endinghunger 8 months ago
@endinghunger Take it easy. I'm talking about events that occurred over 1,000 yrs ago. West of Phoenix is a etching on a stone that depicts the Metzica (Aztec) Constellation Citlal (celestial) Colotl (Scorpion). Both the Hohokam & Metzica practiced cremation. The timelines coincide with the decline of the Hohokam & and the rise of the Metzica. Near where I am standing in the video is 4 Waters Park. It is a Hohokam Waterway. The language of the Metzica was Nau (4) Atl (Water). Aztlan=dry land.
tzotziyolotl 8 months ago
@tzotziyolotl .................So are you for all people or just the Mexican?
afroconSSuckDatSwamp 8 months ago
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dimthelight 7 months ago
All natives originally come from Asia, shouldn't that be Aztlan? Why don't you do your reconquista there? Why not claim Canada or China as your homeland. Your ancestors passed through there.
No race has a homeland, we are all migrants. The land belongs to whomever conquers the current residents. That is the rule of nature.
You only want America because there is money here. Why not fight for it like warriors with honor. Warriors don't beg and play victim.
Covadanga 10 months ago
@Covadanga The war is already over and you don't even know it. Look around you. Bigots are a vanishing threat.
Atztlan means "The Dried Up Valley". The Metzica lived at Coatepec (Snake Town) and Snake Town is near Phoenix. There is a petroglyph of the Metzica constellation Citlalcolotl near Phoenix. Metzica cremated their dead and the Hohokam did also. and yes they were driven out of Phoenix around 1400 AD when the bulk of the people went to Tenochtitlan. God bless you .
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
I just cant wait till i cant sit on my roof and legally shoot the invaders. I better go clean my sk's. Ill be back
drzaco55 10 months ago
@drzaco55 Man, I'm talking about events from over 1000 years ago and y'all are getting all worked up. The demographics are changing. Its called evolution. You could shoot your sks til the barrel melts and you still couldn't stop it. This land will be healed and Canada, US & Mexico will be one. Might take 50 yrs but its starting now. May God bless you with inter-racial babies & grandbabies.
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
Aztlan is located somewhere south to the sonoran desert by Nayarit area. I can undarstand why some mexican-americans want to believe Aztlain is in the US territory though. It is because they want to get some kind of ownership feeling or something.
gadslca 11 months ago
@gadslca Check out the language tree. Paiute (nevada) Ute (Utah) are part of the Uto-Aztecan language group!
PacificCircle1 11 months ago
@gadslca The Metzica were in Phoenix in 1006 A.D. They documented the Supernova explosion of 1006 AD on a stone in the White Tank Mountains west of Phoenix. There is a depiction of the Metzica constellation Citlalcolotl or Celestial Scorpion. Both the Hohokam AND Metzica cremated their dead, used black and red ink on pottery and both lived in Snake Town.
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
@MEGAAMERICANPATRIOT GO TO HELL MOTH$%%$!!!!!, USTEDES ROBARON ESE TERRITORIO, APROVECHANDO LA TIBIEZA DEL GOBIERNO Y LOS PROBLEMAS INTERNOS DE EL PAIS, LADRONES DE QUINTA CATEGORIA QUE AHORA SE CREEN SUPERIORES POBRES DIABLOS SI TODOS SOMOS HIJOS DE LA INMIGRACION, AUNQUE LES ARDA
elchicano2010 1 year ago
wow really. you cant belive that people that lived so close to each other might have shared some of there culture with one another. LMAO proven fact mexican & native americans do not share bloodline in 90% of cases. So take your revolution back to mexico and fight to clean up you own country i think they can use it there.
drzaco55 1 year ago
@drzaco55 Thats interesting considering that 90% of Natives live in Mexico and Central America. Nice try.
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
@tzotziyolotl Never said that they didnt live there lolz but the fast is that the majority or Mexicans DON'T share native bloodline there for this bull about this is there land is just another fail accuse.
drzaco55 10 months ago
report illegal alien scumbags to immigration.
call 1-866-347-2423
noone stole anything, the land in the southwest was purchased from mexico in the treaty of guadalupe hidalgo.
MegaAmericanpatriot 1 year ago
Aztlan is our land! Viva Mexico!
AtzlanAvenger 1 year ago
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Hello lovers of Aztlan! It seems as though America has finally woken up and realized whe are in a brown nightmare. Arizona started a wave that will soon encompass the entire USA. The current politicians are loosing their seats faster than they can turn around. The new platform to run on, is to stop illegal immigration. If you think America will tolerate youre presense here any longer, you are sadly mistaken. Get your maps out, your headed home! VIVA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
jagerhardin 1 year ago
Black & red ink was of significant importance to both the Mexica & "Hohokam"
tzotziyolotl 1 year ago
@tzotziyolotl Hahaha There was never an Aztlan!! You losers are barking up an imaginary tree. Ball court? Did the Aztecs (who didn't venture farther north than San Luis Potosi) bring a rubber ball all the way from the Yucatan? The Aztecs weren't welcome there either.
LillyBlackSambo 1 year ago
@LillyBlackSambo The Metzica AND Hohokam cremated their dead. There is a depiction of the Mexican Constellation Citlalcolotl (celestial scorpion) in the White Tank Mountains west of Phoenix. The Metzica were exiled to Coatecpec (Snake Town) . The largest Hohokam settlement is Snake Town. The language of the Metzica is Nahuatl (4 Water). There is a Hohokam Canal at the 4 Water archeological site in Tempe. God Bless You.
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
The Mexica story of The Birth of Huitzilopochtli says that the Mexica were in Coatepec when they witnessed IT. IT was the Supernova of 1006 A.D (SN 1006) see video on my you tube channel. There is evidence of the Mexica presence in the White Tanks Mountains west of Phoenix in the form of a Scorpion petroglyph that represents the Mexica constellation Citlalcolotl or Celestial Scorpion. So the Mexica were in the White Tanks Mountains of Arizona in 1006 A.D.
tzotziyolotl 1 year ago
@tzotziyolotl Hey before that the Anazasi were there and built a glorious civilzation .They also had an advanced astronomy so what?That doesnt mean Azlatan is any more than a myth used by Spanish speaking Mexicans to lay claim lands that have been inhabited by Natives for generations BEFORE Mexico ever "claimed" them
calman1951 1 year ago
Aztlan has been misinterpreted. Atz or Az actually means "dry" like the desert. The Analytical Dictionary of Nahuatl states that "Huatz" means "to dry". The word Nahuatl means "4 waters". Another off limits "Hohokam" site is called Four Waters Park and has massive irrigation canals.
tzotziyolotl 1 year ago
The Mexica were exiled from the Valley of Mexico to Coatepec or Snake Town. Snake Town is possibly the most important "Hohokam" archeological site and is located just south of Phoenix, AZ. In fact, it is so important that it is not open to the public. Coatepec has been misinterpreted as "Snake Mountain".
tzotziyolotl 1 year ago
Both the "Hohokam" & Mexica cremated their dead.
tzotziyolotl 1 year ago
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Treaty of guadalupe hidalgo: 1848, the u.s. paid the mexican government 15,000,000.00 for 525,000 square miles of land, the current southwest u.s.
Noone stole the land, we own it, come here legally or get the hell out.
report illegal aliens to immigration. call...1-866-347-2423
MegaAmericanpatriot 2 years ago
@MegaAmericanpatriot
You stole Aztlan from us and we will get it back! With millions of immigrants having what you call Anchor Babies will enable us to take back control of our lands that were stolen by your illegal treaty! That treaty means nothing to us! It is our land and we will take it back without firing a shot. Your gullible gringo politicians are helping us acheive our goal.
AtzlanAvenger 1 year ago
@AtzlanAvenger So does this mean we can break Your laws like You do ours?Does this mean We will become as corrupt as Mexico?Will the concept innocent until proven guilty be replaced by Napoleaonic law as practice in Mexico?Your people signed a treary now You want to break it?Viva California,U.S.A..!
calman1951 1 year ago
@calman1951 My family has been in AZ since at least 1898, Bigot. 5 generations of Mexican-Americans and growing and growing and growing.
Now do you really want to talk about the Trail of Broken Treaties?
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
Aztlan is from Texas to California east to west,
and up north expands its territory almost to Canada. Aztlan is commonly an area dominated by Mexican Americans, mexicanos, Latinos Hispanos.- the largest majority in the U.S.A.-
Nezahualcoyotl7 2 years ago
I can place the Metzica or Mexica (if you prefer) in Phoenix in 1006 A.D. The Birth of Huitzilopochtli and The Hohokam Supernova Theory are one and the same. There is a petroglyph that shows a scorpion constellation next to a Supernova in the White Tanks Mountains. The scorpion is the Mexica Constellation Citlalcolotl. I will post my complete theory on here soon. It was on my website but lack of support forced me to shut down the site.
tzotziyolotl 2 years ago
@tzotziyolotl lol no that was apache land not aztecs
hameldacamel 1 year ago
The glorious civilization of the Metzika was, in fact, a civilization created by the Tzitzimeka of Atztlan. Enslaved by the Toltec and their descendants until they overthrew Matztla and the Tepanecs. All people from "North America" can take pride in their accomplishments.
tzotziyolotl 1 year ago
"Aztlan" does not belong to Mexico.
Pvic 2 years ago
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goodbye mexican trash.
WAITING.
Blood88Honor 2 years ago
you'll have to do better than that..
Iciclesxo 2 years ago
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Iciclesxo 2 years ago
Hey , You know what .
FUCK YOU COCKSUCKER.
Your ignorant people come to the United States and instead of trying to learn english and become americans they fly their shitty mexican flag and they piss and moan for free healthcare and a free ride.
We owe you nothing, And Americans are sick of supporting your ignorant lazy CROOKED race.
The time is coming soon when the shit hits the fan and american citizens shoot you DEAD in a national emergency.
FUCK you and FUCK your La Raza.
Blood88Honor 2 years ago
Shoot me dead? wha? LOL
We have a special place for idiots like you.
The only National Emergency we'll have is rounding up a bunch of fruitcakes in patty wagons! And we will waste NO time in doing so.
Iciclesxo 2 years ago
aztlan se encuentra en el cerro de culiacan guanajuato mexico.. lugar de las 7 cuevas
poioeme 1 year ago
@Blood88Honor
You owe us everything, especially since you stole our land, so we will take advantage of the 14th amendment and all of the benefits that are rightfully ours. It is too late for you gringos. We've already won! We will be granted some form of amnesty and our children are our future. They will be educated and take over by becoming part of the voting process and Aztlan will rise and you can't do shit about it! Ja ja ja ja ja.
AtzlanAvenger 1 year ago
Over the last 6 months white americans have bought more guns and ammo than the last 20 years combined.
We watched the Turd World illegal hispanics march in Los Angeles and burn our flag.
We watched as your illegal anchor baby brown trash half-witted children fly their flag of ignorance and corruption at the schools that AMERICANS pay for.
The will come when you invaders will realize (TO LATE) That you have angered a giant with no mercy.
Your La Raza will drown in their own BLOOD.
Blood88Honor 2 years ago
is that so?
Where the fuck are you from?? Alabama?
fucking stupid hick!
Iciclesxo 2 years ago
You brown anti-american trash actually think you can invade my country and force your red green and white flag of corruption and ignorance on the strong and proud people of the United States.
You are confused.
The Spanish Conquistos raped and murdered the INCAs and Aztecs out of existence , And the result of that genocide is the Half Breed MEXICAN.
Your brown TRASH people will be shot down on the streets of the USA and pissed on like the invading scum you are.
Blood88Honor 2 years ago
you actually think all Mexicans are Mestizos? LOL That's like saying all Americans are White.
You're one ignorant bastard!
A hateful honkey is what you are!
Iciclesxo 2 years ago
@Blood88Honor There are already Mexican Flags flying in Dodge City, Kansas, Brother. Eventually there will be a bullet train running from Costa Rica to Canada. People like you are a dying breed. Here's to a multi-racial future. God bless you.
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
Aztlan is the South West from Texas to California.
Aztlan in the historical context could be anywhere.
but who cares?
Most important is that Mexicans are now in Aztlan ( The South West of the United States )
Viva La Raza!
Viva Aztlan!
Viva nuestra gran nación Mexicana!
AliMexikano 2 years ago
because of europeans mexicans were forced to work in what is now the USA under the monarchy (redistribution of labourers) and many aztecs (true aztecs from aztlan aka the four corner states) were chased into hiding in mexico from their home land.
mexico and aztlan are a mixed up people because of europeans
cac1qu3 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
Ok, now you are just trolling. You are actually trying to tell me that the Mexica would have welcomed 5000 or 50,000 Anasazi immigrants or migrants and let them settle wherever they felt like on Lake Texcoco . ROFL.
Migrants and immigrants are nearly synonymous. One has to more with work than the other, that's all.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
@bluebird1787 Actually, it was the wave of migrants coming from the north like the Apache & Pima that forced the Metzica out of Phoenix around 1450-1470 A.D. The decline of the Hohokam coincides with the rise of the Metzica.
tzotziyolotl 10 months ago
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LaSantaMuerte,
So your argument for a separate race comes from ignorant(long time ago) and racist European explorers and missionaries and the fact that there was a common species of plant life in the Americas. Belief in a Creator is universal in human societies and the four cardinal points were discovered by every early civilization.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
"Belief in a Creator is universal in human societies and the four cardinal points were discovered by every early civilization." - so then why are you trying to classify us and differentiete between us?
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte, All cultures are different, all humans are the same. You are the one arguing that there is a unique indigenous American race that only encompasses peoples of the Americas and that it gives them rights to any lands in the Americas. That makes no sense. The Wyandot owned land as individuals and the Shoshone lived as communal hunter gathers at the same time before any Europeans immigrants showed up. Property rights, borders, conflict, slavery and even conquest predate Europeans.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
so what you are saying is that we should divide ourselves instead of unifying? indigenous peoples are simply indigenous peoples, and if you want all the indigenous peoples to divide themselves then go to a powow, were many indigenous peoples gather and declare what you are stating.
Were all human, but you cant deny the fact that theres differences between all of us, simply just me and you disagree on something. I mean, you cant deny the fact that black people look different than white people.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
I am saying there is no race but the human race. Humans are diverse because we can adapt. You are saying something else.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
So your argument for a separate race comes from ignorant(long time ago) and racist European explorers and missionaries and the fact that there was a common species of plant life in the Americas. Belief in a Creator is universal in human societies and the four cardinal points were discovered by every early civilization.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
Imagine if the Anasazi and the Mexica both had large, expansive and vibrant civilizations at the same time. Do you think the Mexica would have welcomed Anasazi immigrants as anything other than slaves?
bluebird1787 2 years ago
the anasazi were a group of people that lived in the area of arizona years before the mexica peoples settled in wherever aztlan was located and tenochtitlan. BTW, the anasazi wouldnt have been immigrants, but migrants, BIG difference.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte ,
I never said you said "indiginous were superior." I said I had read others write that previously. I also wrote that your logic of land rights in the Americas is similar to what Hitler used to justify the German claim of the Sudetenland.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
thats others, not me, I am not those other people, so dont assume like if you know me.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
Great you found Aztlan! What the hell is Aztlan?
You think it's an Aztec ball court, great! Prove it.
Then, realize that if you want to claim Arizona for your particular definition of a "race" or people you are pissing in the wind.
Also, your logic is flawed. According to your logic, descendants of American culture in the distant future can claim the right to lands where baseball or basketball was played.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
the difference with baseball, basketball and the aztec ball game is that only our ancestors played the aztec ball game and no one else.. as opposed to baseball and basketball which is played by everyone in the world.
So if you find an aztec ball court, who do think lived there? ;)
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
My point is that cultural artifacts from past civilizations can be found outside the area where the civilization actually governed. There are countless real examples. Roman roads or currency, Christmas trees, hamburgers, language, etc.
Also, didn't the Mexica god send the 7 tribes out of Aztlan to their new homeland? and isn't the Mexica homeland in the area now called Mexico City?
bluebird1787 2 years ago
Presicely, though we never actually "governed" Aztlan, our ancestors simply lived there. If you find archeological evidence of a certain group of people in a certain place its highly likely they at some point in time resided there or simply set foot there. Google this; danger cave Utah.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
Listen, I am not at all opposed to the idea or even fact of Aztlan. However, even if Aztlan is found, researched and proven by the academic community it still isn't the homeland of the Mexica. So, if there is no divine claim to the land only possible, and currently unproven, historical evidence that humans lived there and moved on to settle and found a civilization elsewhere.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
youre thinking is too limited, even though the homeland for the mexica is Tenochtitlan, it was the same people who resided in Aztlan. Keep in mind that according to the stories regarding aztlan, 7 tribes migrated but a few stayed in aztlan, those few being relatives of the other 7 tribes.. thus relatives of the mexica.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
Though were aztlan is located is not important, it would be cool to know but I dont think it would be ground breaking or earth shattering, you know what Im saying?
Regardless where its located, history shows that migration was something that all the indigenous peoples practiced in both North and South america.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
BTW humans did in fact live in that area,, those ball courts didnt build themselves. How is it unproven that humans didnt set foot there? I mean, this guy filmed some evidence of human prescence in Arizona.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
I don't deny that there are many archeological ruins throughout the Southwest, Americas and entire world. Humans have been around migrating and starting cultures and trying wiping out other cultures for a long time.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
so then what are you argiung here?
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
*arguing
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
Because I have read on youtube "that everyone who settled in the Americas are one race and better than other races." I've read things like indigenous people are closer to god and nature and "white people" are evil, etc.
I am not against anyone, discovering, documenting and being proud of their heritage. However, it should be the beginning of a journey towards a better understanding of humankind, not an endpoint that leads to us vs them mindsets.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
thats just youtube, and if anything thats merely just what somebody thinks. You wanna know what I do when someone says stupid things about mexicans and my indigenous ancestors? I tend not to care what that person says.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
Bad ideas and hatred are like a virus. I say never give anyone much slack when they start talking in that way. I challenge my friends and strangers alike. It makes me really popular(sarcasm). I don't agree with white supremacy, or any other type of viewpoint based on one group being inherently better than another group. Take your pick. Whites vs. Native Americans, Jews vs. Gentiles, Arabs vs. Jews, Christians vs. Atheists, Atheists vs. Christians, Korean vs. Black, etc.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
the difference with something like christmas trees and the aztec ball court is that the practice of setting up a christmas tree was never halted or banned, and the aztec ball court was.. thus why you wont find any other aztec ball courts in the world since the practice was prohibited by the spanish.
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LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
From everything i've read, the Mexica were the last of the 7 tribes to leave. They were ordered by their "version" of god to leave. So can the Jews go claim rights in Egypt today? There is clearly evidence of them being there. (Bible, records, archeological remains.)
bluebird1787 2 years ago
the jews were in egypt because they were slaves to the pharaoh. They were sort of forced to be there. We were in the "US southwest" because thats were we resided for a long time and called it our home, simple as that.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
The logic you are using is similar to Hitler's reasoning for invading the Sudetenland? I didn't want to go there; but, that is where your worldview can lead you.
Why is there a separate race of "peoples of the Americas?" please explain your reasoning.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
when did I ever say indigenous peoples were superior to the rest?... o_O
now youre just putting words in my mouth.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
Abraham was born in Ur(Iraq) and moved to Canaan(Israel/Palestine). Moses was born in Egypt and raised as a native then he moved his people to the promised land. The Jews from the Middle East are closely related to the Arabs and Egyptians. In some cases, it is difficult to tell an Egyptian Muslim from a Lebanese Jew on the surface; but, there are still many differences.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
but neverthe less theyre middle- easterners no?
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
But youre still missing the point here, Aztlan is not that important, why? Because this whole landmass dubbed North and South "america" belonged and belongs to us. Indigenous people, whether apache, inuit, cherokee, mexica, maya, mapuche.. etc, have the right to live and migrate anywhere on this land.
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
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bluebird1787 2 years ago
Explain why there is a separate race of indigenous Americans. Inuits are very different than the Seminoles. It was racist white guys who originally said all natives were exactly the same. The Wendat(Huron) and Shoshone did not have similar cultures, traditions or languages. There are countless examples of tribal conflict throughout the Americas and the world.
The world does not need more tribalism.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
there's seperate cultures, but not seperate race. Though Im against the classification and category they have put us is, we are supposed "mongoloids". In better terms, were all indigenous people, so in a way those europeans were right. Though it varies by region, all indigenous cultures(In both North & South america) possess the notion of a creator, the four directions, and 3 principal foods(corn, beans and squash).
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
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bluebird1787 2 years ago
and now that youve mentioned languages again, indeed there are similarities in our languages, though they belong to different peoples. Uto-Aztecan, Algic, Chibchan, Na-Dene, and Yuman-Cochimi language families cover vast areas of different peoples but that nevertheless share similarities
"The world does not need more tribalism." - Precisely my friend ;)
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
LaSantaMuerte,
All humans have migrated and we are all indigenous to the earth. None of us came from another planet. My ancestors migrated through Africa to the Middle East and then went through what is today Afghanistan then along the Black Sea into Europe and then settled. There is genetic, historical and archeological evidence to support this; but, I cant claim rights to lands in Denmark.
bluebird1787 2 years ago
though Im not saying that this guy found aztlan, the evidence which shows the prescence of the ancestors of the mexica and modern day mexicans in the upper north american deserts is there. Keep in mind that whatever people say about aztlan is merely speculation, though theres plenty of evidence to support the idea that it was somehwere in the US southwest. And now that youve mentioned language, google; Uto-Aztecan language family.. theres a reason why all those languages are related.
peace ;)
LaSantaMuerte 2 years ago
The video was a teaser to get you to go to the website and that is where the proof was. Economics forced me to shut down the site. I will post the proof soon. Then we can debate the facts. In my videos I traveled to different Metzica (Hohokam) sites around Arizona the ballcourt was just a archeological backdrop. I can place the Metzica in Phoenix in 1000 A.D. proof coming soon!
tzotziyolotl 2 years ago
If you Mexicans want it back, get an army together and come and get some. I think the battle should last a few minutes.
ibme21 2 years ago
Wal-Mart coming soon.
Insidious77 3 years ago
COOL, THANKS
ChichimecaZacatlan 3 years ago