Paris, Texas structure fire 800 Block of SW 3rd

[joemac356]

Someday, just once, I'd like to view one of these videos and not see all the lame ass responses from a bunch of wannabe firefighters. Anyone who knows anything and has gone through FF 1 should know better than to make some of the comments you see here. Everyone's an expert and knows how to do better than everyone else. Gimme a break.

[eemanpeters]

Back up line?? Maybe want to get a back up line in place for your homies before the PPV? Unless there was an active rescue goin on in there, there is no excuse for no back up!

[mancavene]

@TonyAlessis6611......The last time I looked fire dept's. don't usually have vehicles such as pickups sitting next to a house they are using as a fire training exercise. Volunteer syndrome? Your tone speaks volumes about volunteers. Hopefully you are retired with your piss poor attitude along with you.

[kissmyass4578]

it is crazy

[TonyAlessi6611]

It really looks like they are using this job as a training exercise. Wat too much hose for such a short distance, Wastes time and manpower. I had 34 years as a higher ranking ( D. C. ) in a metropolitan Dept. One can easily spot the volunteer syndrome at this job.

[theycallmedwayne]

It was probably that person's ride assignment to pull the PPV and then do a 360. There wasn't really anything wrong with this - 2 minutes in, that fire was knocked pretty well. 1 minute after arriving on scene they had a line pulled and charged, as well as a 360 done. The job got done quickly, and what's more is it got done safely - everyone had on proper PPE, and that 360 walk-around is incredibly important to make sure everyone gets home.

[BluexRibbonxJumper]

THe crew here did a good job. PPV in this cas was used properly and effectively.

[gsarjos]

Outstanding....

[j0n41]

setting up the fan before an offensive attack is called positive pressure attack. look into it,it works.

[dferg1793]

So are you one of those trolls that just because you have a scanner you can go to every house fire because if you are your lucky I'm not a fireman there because I'll spray you with the fucking hose

[themightyquinner123]

Its almost comical reading " in 20 years in the Fire Service blah blah blah. If the use of a PPV amazes you I have some more incredible news. They have computers INSIDE of firetrucks now. I know crazy huh. Pick up a book on Firefighting next time your sitting in the hall. You don't become a better Firefighter watching Three's Company reruns ...

[BC1Dan]

The hell are you people going on about? How is it wrong to grab a PPV before a hoseline? Maybe, just maybe they all have assignments for when they arrive on scene.

Have any of you questioning their tactics ever thought about that?

[gatorsKC]

I was wondering the same thing about the fan?? Nice quick interior attack.. Instead of grabbing a fan I might have thrown a ladder and got a hole chopped.. Either way quick knock down.

[gulpster1]

They pulled a fan because they did what is called positive pressure attack. It has it's positives and negatives. Check out some of the PPA videos on youtube.

[Crazyfogfighter]

@gulpster1 quite a common tactic in europe, but we don't do exterior ventilation and especially no roof ventilation on a daily basis.

[mike84x22]

accept for the ppv fan great job.

[klaus121991]

not saying that this is wrong cause you may have a reason for doing this but on a working building fire why would the first guy off a truck grab a fan instead of a 1 1/2 or 2 1/2? it just seams like backwards logic to me that you would give the fire O2 before you go in to fight the fire. not saying it was wrong just want to know what the reason for it is because i was tough different

[ffctrl]

There was enough manpower on arrival to put the fan in place and the ppv worked exactly as it should have and it was a quick knock down on a room and content.As for the comment fans kill people??? If they are used wrong they will.

[StoicNemesis]

GREAT JOB GUYS!!! No hesitation everybody did there assigned job as soon as boots hit the ground. Textbook

[DRIBBLES2500]

To me there just seems to be no sense of urgency to put the fire out..

[juniorskates99]

Awesome video! Good to see that 360!

[PlausableApple4]

firetruckenthusy is back! I still remember your old account, the original firetruckenthusy. Welcome back man!

[DRIBBLES2500]

I recently took a class on that and I posted this with my comments to my facebook page and boy did I get feedback lol..............I was reminded of a class that we took 2 years ago where I slept through most of it and this was the topic taught by an FDNY guy..........

[RespektTM]

Very quick and precise. Good job men.

[168jonesj]

4man crew of course have the 4th man grab a fan thats what the next due in is gonna do,but you already have an extras set of hands to take care of it. Again very well executed

[1Bigdrop]

@168jonesj How about throwing a ladder and venting with the saw that should be replacing the fan. Fans kill firefighters.

[168jonesj]

Yes very well executed indeed very smooth

[humvee600]

at least move the fuckin truck...!!! damn!!

[The1stdue]

Very good. Nice knockdown, fellas. Everyone seemed to really know their job. Very well executed, especially for an armchair quarterback. 

[EOFFEMT18]

Well done, took there time and got it done quick. It was a small room and contents fire no reason to get into a rush. Great Job guys!

[superstormj]

Mooooveeee theeee truucckkkkk... -.-

[TheMaster35100]

)))красавчики..

[awesomeguns522]

get the truck out of the way

[dmartz13]

well your right about the fan!!



[fire6124]

maybe leave room for the truck and layout?

[rsizemore12]

best fireground tactics i have seen here on youtube, great knockdown too

[alexandermakrianis]

Good knock down!

[iamcool9504]

If you read ATF and NIST reports, no type of ventilation or fans should be used if interior firefighting is going to take place until you have a charged hoseline in position to combat the sudden introduction of oxygen. I really do not want to argue and I rarely comment. I'm not saying I know more than the next guy. But the first thing you grab on a structure fire is a gas fan? I think we all know better than that from day one. Anyone who wants to further discuss can PM me. Thats all I will say.

[jpicha06]

@fireguye4 - you're retarded...period.

Maybe that captain was following some idiotic S.O.P., but the first thing you grab is a fan on a house fire? Even if it wasn't started until after the fire was out, that is poor tactics on a single story residential.

[ATFDFF]

@jpicha06 Poor tactics? They had the fire knocked within two and a half minutes of the first engine setting their parking break. Had a second line off, got a 360 done...doesn't go much better than that. Just because it's not how you do it doesn't mean it's wrong.

[jpicha06]

@ATFDFF Don't get me wrong, everything else was great. An aggressive attack was made and the fire was knocked out quickly with tank water. But from the little experience I do have, things can go wrong quickly if PPV is initiated in the wrong time and the wrong place. Thankfully that did not happen here.

[ukmale4]

dodgeey ...

[fireguye4]

1st engine in without water from hydrant? cmon fellas thats basic

[ffmettle]

Watching the video on side D, you are able to tell exactly when the fan was turned on. The fire obviously intesified in the self vented window area. No fans until knockdown. Period.

[patcism]

How were your able to get that close? Was that your neighbor's house?

[ffjsb]

I didn't say you would be blown up, FF's around here would toss your ass along with the fan. I don't know what you're looking at, but the only thing that happens at 2:35 is that the engine RPM's increase as the operator is bringing up pressure. There is NO increase in smoke and fire venting from the house. If you can't tell the difference between a diesel engine and a gas Honda engine, I don't think you know much about ventilation. BTW, I don't need to watch a video, I've ventilated before.

[BassNeptune]

the firefighters are too damm slow

[DRIBBLES2500]

Now I have almost 20 years in the fire service and have seen my share of stuff.............Stupid question.............Who grabs a PPV fan 1st when they roll up on a working structure fire??????????? Never saw that before...................

[TheFiahman1]

@DRIBBLES2500 its because they all have assignments when they got off the truck... they dont freelance like a lot of other companies

[hondaxr8013]

@DRIBBLES2500 try to push the fire out the back

[ringer350]

@DRIBBLES2500 i just said the same thing

[Emsworker68]

@DRIBBLES2500 Looks to me they have a set GOP regarding what they do or do not do on a fire scene. Use of PPV has been shown to give those trapped a great chance of survival if it is used under certain circumstances. Also allows greater visability and a less toxic enviroment. I think this shows a great use PPV.

[shinnfire]

@DRIBBLES2500 I believe they were trying to employ a Positive Pressure Attack tactic. You may want to research PPA along with the research done by NIST on ventilation.

[FFIrish23]

@DRIBBLES2500 Me either, although I only have about 20 months though hahaha but they never mentioned grabbing a ppv first due on a working structure fire....irons yes...ppv no

[MESSier1188]

@DRIBBLES2500 Was just about to ask the same thing

[calebmchristian]

@DRIBBLES2500 hell the fan's just going to make it spread faster. Don't make much sense.

[mobhit]

@calebmchristian OMG.....really? Positive pressure forces the smoke and heat out of the structure (as long as you have vent good) you can walk into a house like that and put the fire out quicker than it can spread.

[mobhit]

@DRIBBLES2500 You have never seen fire attack with positive pressure? You sure you have been in the fire service for 20 years?

[oledandie]

Because...you cannot absolutely, positively GUARANTEE that the 2nd, or 3rd engine...will make it! Could be a train, an accident, truck breaking down...numerous reasons. When there is no doubt of a working fire (or smoke showing), it better to be safe than sorry. It does not take long to dump 'the tank' on a working fire. :)

[legendary533]

good work everything look smooth. Not sure why the first thing the Captain got was the PPV fan

[F10334]

@legendary533 He grabbed a fan to push the smoke away while his men make entry. We do the same. While the team is packing up a man sets a fan to push the fire away from the house so we can keep some of the heat off of us and get closer to put the fire out more efficiently.

[legendary533]

@F10334 but before size up? and push the fire away from the house? Wouldnt this cause the fire to spread ? i thought it was used after water was on the fire and after vertical vent.

thanks for the reply

[F10334]

@legendary533 The fire has self vented itself through the window, so the fan will blow the fire out the window with the heat and gasses. If it hasn't vented yet then you need to break a window to the room or cut the roof, start the fan and make entry at the same time to keep a backdraft from occurying.

[ffjsb]

@F10334 A fan is not going to prevent a backdraft. Only ventilating high BEFORE entry will prevent a backdraft. A fan would more likely INCREASE the chance of backdraft or flashover.

[Paramedicmxr]

@ffjsb In this case it will not. There is a good exhaust point, firing up a fan before making entry would only make the conditions more tennable for possible victims. It would push the fire, heat, and smoke out of the window of the fire room. A PPV fan would be perfect in this scenario.

[ffjsb]

@Paramedicmxr If you fired up a fan before the bulk of the fire was knocked down around here, you and the fan would find yourselfs flying across the street in the opposite direction. YOU DO NOT PUT A FAN ON A BUILDING THAT IS FREE BURINING!!!! That's is the most stupid thing you can do. There is more than 1 room on fire in this house, a fan is going to cause rapid fire growth. You better go take a class on fire behaviour.

[Paramedicmxr]

@ffjsb Well, you just contradicted your own statement. it looks like the fan was started at 2:35 in the video. Oddly enough, nobody was blown up or across the street.

PPV will let the fire grow, but all of the heat and fire gasses will be pushed out of the exhaust point, in this case it is the window of the fire room. Rather than argue and not make your point, why dont you watch some videos that explain the positive pressure attack. The fan worked well in this video. Great job guys!

[iamcool9504]

@Paramedicmxr Not trying to stir the pot, just my thoughts. If you are setting up a fan to improve conditions for victims, you should have at LEAST 2 hoselines in service, one protecting fire growth, and one protecting the search. With one engine, if you are so concerned with victims, the hoseline should protect the search. Again, I do not mean to argue, just having a discussion, so please do not read this as hostile.

[Paramedicmxr]

@iamcool9504 None taken. Positie pressure attack is just another technique starting to catch on down south in florida. Its not right in all instances, but its not necessarily wrong either. Yes they pulled a fan off the truck first, but the 2nd firefighter was deploying a hoseline. The hose would be put in place. Putting the fire out is most important for victim survival, but most dont die from burns. They die from smoke inhalation which the fan helps remove.

[Paramedicmxr]

@iamcool9504 And every single department around the country does things differently and uses different equipment. So to say its downright wrong is a generalized statement that isnt accurate. Sure there are things that some officers/depts/firefighters do that is stupid, but just because it doesnt work for you does not mean it is wrong. Goes back to the fog nozzle vs. solid stream argument! They both have their purposes and some people like one more than the other. Carry on!

[F10334]

@ffjsb I didn't say it would prevent a backdraft. This fire is already vented it's not going to backdraft. Why cut a hole in the roof when the fire is already vented?

[ffjsb]

@F10334 It's venting pretty well on the 1ST floor, but look closely and you'll notice there's an attic to this house. You can have a back draft up there. General practice would be to vent high to release the heat. That way FF's can open up the ceiling and put some water on the fire that way. If there's no vent for the steam to escape it can come back on them.

[F10334]

@ffjsb I agree completely! The man doing the 360 should be able to tell via the eaves, of call, someone at home or not, he should be able to make the call if the fire has extended to the attic or had the chance or possibilty of it. He should make the decision based on all info. if they need to vent high or not. I'm wasn't there and don't know the situation, I was just explaining why they would do what they did. I watch these videos to learn different ways of what to do or not to do.

[ecoffman1000]

@F10334 but its also giving the fire more oxygen

[F10334]

@ecoffman1000 The fire is already getting all the oxygen it wants, it's vented out the window. the fan blows fire out and up the siding which is already damaged. That's a lot better then putting water in from the outside and pushing fire back into the house that isn't burned.

[Bombero203]

Text PPA nice work!

[knc1028]

let me know asap

[knc1028]

hey to the person who posted this video who are you i need to know cuz this is my house i need to know what happened. please

[yokimarameshu]

hey who recorded that video on 870 3rd sw because that was my house

[oledandie]

I think the FIRST Eng. in should have caught the hydrant...especially with that much 'smoke-showing'...

[ffjsb]

@oledandie Why do they need to catch a hydrant when they have tank water and another engine right behind them? Maybe on a large commercial building, but not on a house fire.

[ecoffman1000]

@ffjsb cause you dont send guys in with just tank water..if the shit goes down and you run out of water..if you hook to hydrant your guranteed water.

[ffjsb]

@ecoffman1000 What planet do you fight fire on? Why do you think fire engines have tanks and preconnects? If the shit goes down or the tank is getting low, you get out. The vast majority of house fires are put out with tank water.

[MrCjohnson14]

Nice 360 and knock down. You can tell that this crew has been doing some good training. 2nd truck was on it with the water supply.

[RfdRandy]

Nice camera work

[bigedefd]

Time for them to learn how to use a triple lay.

[ellisfd4821son]

the ancient japenese left you a voicemail lol

[firetruckenthusy33]

@ellisfd4821son LOL