Who REALLY runs our world? search "israel Did 911" and search "ZionCrimeFactory" for proof.
"US Rep. McKinney has accused the pro-Israel Lobby in America (AIPAC, ADL, etc) for ruining her political career.She refused to sign the pro-Israel pledge from Congress and took a pro-Palestinian stance. Because of this, she said “war was declared” on her by them. In 2009 she told TIU's Ognir that “more than 99% of Congress work for Zionist-Israeli interests.”
Christopher Hitchens was a Jewish-supremacist pervert who enjoyed sodomy. A man who willfully accepts another mans phallic into his mouth is not privvy to any truths of this universe. The world is a better place without him. Cancer did the world justice with Hitchens.
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
hitchens ended up as the heir of vidal's enemy, william buckley. and i suspect we'll be seeing more people come to their senses regarding us foreign policy in the near future. the espoused views of vidal and company are as dated and frivolous as the old fart himself.
Gore's the real thing... he's got iron in his soul that keeps him steady and going while others show a burst of light and then disappear into nothingness. William F. Buckley, Jr. - Gone. Norman Mailer - Gone. And now Christopher Hitchens - Gone. Gore lives on. He's not some conservative fad of the reagan golden age or some atheist fad of the present time, he transcends these characters.
Christopher Hitchens is a neo-con war monger, who used 911 and the Iraq invasions to promote his books and make a lot of money off of it. He makes up phoney lies how Saddem was part of 911. he should be ashamed of himself.
The impoverished people of the world have less as they are wanting, thus they are: IMPOVERISHED. Having less is a cop-out. America's foundering middle class would live in large piles of hollowed out, hardened elephant shit to “save” mother Earth if the corporate media instructed them to.
@GuitarD30 Because he went from a fairly honest critic of US foreign policy, writing books like 'The Trial of Henry Kissinger' (not actually a great book though only 12 primary sources) to one of the biggest propagandists for the 'Global War on Terror', which as you know, has involved removing the civil liberties of people in the West and conquering the remaining 'non-globalized' countries in the East/Global South. He even wrote a Slate column praising the murder of US citizen Anwar Al Awlaki.
@GuitarD30 (cont.) And he went from selling the Socialist Worker and opposing the Vietnam War, to being a fellow of the Hoover Institute, writing for The Atlantic, Slate, Vanity Fair and making that disgraceful movie 'Manufacturing Dissent' which mocks small documentary makers for questioning the government. And getting paid millions of dollars for doing so. He is the living definition of a sell-out.
@solpapisolmook I'm assuming 'opening his eyes' is a euphemism for 'being a big fish in a small pond'? Hitchens has really made a living out of being a cut-price Orwell and token cantankerous 'Englishman' on U.S. popular chat shows. It's not that he hasn't anything worth hearing, he does, but that he's wasted ten good years playing at being an Athenian Rhetorician, now slavishly followed by drooling acolytes and 'born-again' atheists waiting for the martyr to pass on. It's unseemly.
@solpapisolmook Which things in particular? Religious nonsense in general? He has no claim on that, it's an old battle, though he's one of the most successful popularisers in the U.S. Or do you mean the 'problem of Islam' which made him subvert every value he previously claimed to hold because it was trumped by his zeal for playing to the gallery by 'owning' and Hitchslapping religionists?
I agree with Hitchens against all religion when he condemns it as method-nonsense, (more...)
@solpapisolmook (cont..) but not his opportunism of throwing in his lot with any kind of people who plot an assault against the theocrats. His support of the Iraq war has borne no fruit. It was and is a failure and has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread of Islam, which was Hitchens' real motivation. It's probably made even more people follow Islam as they see their friends and family ploughed under the war machine.
He followed the neo-con warmongers and got burned. But won't admit it.
@solpapisolmook that's simply not true. hitchins tore apart many of the right people individually, most notably henry kissinger. but when it came the big question about why the world is in the mess it's in, he failed to lay the blame at the door of global capitalism. and he knew better. islamofascism, really.
@lipsbach What is not true? That he was, above all, an honest man? Yes, it is true, which is why so many people here have agreed with me. It's also why so many people dislike him and he made so many enemies, etc.
Capitalism is the reason the world is in a mess? No, sir. Greed, perhaps.
And if you don't think radical Islam is not a threat to the world, you're either naive, stupid, or living in a cave.
@nakedmambo That's not quite fair. Hitchens did get suckered bigtime into the 'War on Terror', but has pulled back a long way in recent years - not as far as I'd like, I admit - back into the left, though without regaining his Trotskyism.
@HoosierMF He said that Al gore should be president after 2000 and he conceded that he lost the election. He was advocating overthrowing the government. I don't know what is more anti american than that. and fuck you
@Gaz6231 Odd it was made an American right, it's never been used. Probably more elected dictatorships masquerading as democracy in the U.S. than anywhere else in the western hemisphere. Hitchens in particular lives in a dream-world of phony American revolution values that don't exist. Oh well, I suppose the U.S has made up for no revolution at home by overthrowing elected governments everywhere else.
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Gora Vidal, fat and past it writer trying to add some shine to his life by mentioning the Hitch
whereas Hitchins wouldn't want to dance with such a bloater, intellectually, spiritually or otherwise. I did however like Vidals book,Kalki, it had me gripped, quite a good who dunnit.
The fact is both Hitchens and Vidal are hypocritical. They are highly educated but that does not mean they are correct. Neither really gives a damn about common people even though the wealthy born, and heir to millions of english sterling Hitchens calls himself a socialist. Hitchens supported the rapacious wars in Iraq,Afghanistan. Both of these guys are into themselves. They don't hold a candle to Michael Parenti, Tariq Ali, West, Naomi Klien, Amy Goodman, C Hedges, Chomsky, et al
IMO, Chomsky is a gatekeeper. How can a guy be so opposed to 'corruption' but then conclude, given the piles of evidence, that there was no way the U.S. gov. was involved in 9/11? He's ALSO stated that: "...even if it was, who cares?". That was the beginning of the end of my trust in Chomsky.
@CRschralper so he's not a truther sitting on his computer in his moms basement with tinfoil on his head... seems like an odd reason to give up on a guy.
@emotionalinvalid that is not a fact it is a matter of opinion. You like Tariq ali, cornell west, amy goodman, etc because many of their opinions align with yours. Just because they make arguments you find to be more attractive than hitchens or vidal makes them no less hypocritical or factually wrong.
He sure has earned the right to be self-absorbed. Gore wrote Julian when hitchens was chasing boys in cambridge. Hitch is a little shit next to this veritable god. Btw aren't you the punk who spams my videos with trashy right-wing comments?
@MetrazolElectricity I've tried to educate you on occasion, but you seem too thick for it. As an example, you apparently think it's a good thing to be a self-absorbed nitwit.
If Gore Vidal is a god to anyone, it's to socialist ideologues of the limousine Left. Most everyone else has sensibly and long since lost any respect for this arse of yesteryear. Hitchens, by contrast, is at least relevant and intellectually consistent.
hitchens is genius . i ve been listening to him on youtube for a while . he sometimes speaks too fast. . never found him inconsistent. no complex. on half way across the world , he is inspiring. only problem . he got cancer due to smoking maybe .and he is recovering.
Hitchens is an idiot, he is just so unconsistent and he has a pathological God complex, he doesn't believe in God because he doesn't want any contenders to His title, he even tried to rewrite the Ten Commandments in a Vanity Fair article.
Only a religious fundie could fail to comprehend the validity of Hitchens' critique of the 10 commandments. As he rightly points out, the first 3 say essentially the same thing and portray this Hebrew god as an egotistical and rather insecure figure. The remainder are largely self-evident, inadequate or irrelevant to our time. He goes on to propose an alternative set with which any reasonable person would find it hard to argue. Of course religious nuts aren't reasonable r they?
@Kenmorfdublin Ad hominem attacks make you look little. Who gives a shit about his personality when his arguments are sound? Address his claims, not his characters.
@vashna3799 "Well, first of all, I think they [Hitchens and his ilk] are religious fanatics. They happen to believe the state religion. Which is much more dangerous than other religions. They happen to be defenders of that state religion...The religion that says we have to support the violence and atrocities of our own state because it's being done for all sorts of wonderful reasons."
@gamegfan1990 Yes, but Noam Chomsky has backed Hezbollah and the Khmer Rouge. Chomsky is an unscrupulous Left-wing shill, and will literally make stuff up if he thinks it will support Left-wing fascism. His disapproval is hardly a mark against Hitchens.
@DrCruel OK your obviously one of those retards who lives up Hitchens anus and Gobble up whatever comes out of it. Its one thing to disagree with Chomsky but to say that he is a shill makes you look like a total retard i guess Gore Vidal, Robert fisk and Lara Logan are also "shills" and that Hezbollah and Khmer Rouge comment *Facepalm* go masturbate over Hitchens Ugly mug your not worth anyone's time!!
@gamegfan1990 Noam Chomsky is a vile character, an apologist for mass murder as well as a liar and hypocrite. Apparently that upsets you enough to make an arse of yourself in public.
I don't expect I'd get along very well with Mr. Christopher Hitchens, but he does seem to be a bit too scrupulous for the Left. Like George Orwell, he's under the absurd impression that these autocratic fascist criminals can be turned into decent people. I don't share his sentiments.
@DrCruel LOL I love how u Hitchtards who live of Hitchnes anal droppings and seems to have infested YouTube seem to think Just Chomsky calls out America and the west on its bullshit he is condoning violence Have you ever listen Chomsky?? Like some time ago I was accused by a Hitchtard of being a apologist for the Taliban just because i called out Americas atrocities FUCK THAT u lot are not gonna make me choose between 2 evils or as Hitchens calls it "lesser evil" fuck the Taliban and fuck u too!
@gamegfan1990 How does my disgust for despicable people like of Chomsky and Vidal make me into a fan of Hitchens?
Yes, I've listened to Chomsky. I've even exchanged an e-mail or two with the jerk (mainly because a friend of mine forwarded my opinions of the cretin to Chomsky as a practical joke). He has proven to be a gifted liar and a shill for Left fascists. Most of his fans are similarly vile and contemptible - and you haven't proven yourself to be an exception to that rule.
@DrCruel I'm not sure how you call Chomsky - one of the most soft spoken and clear minded intellectuals alive - a "jerk" and "fascist shill", how again is it that an Anarchist supports fascism? do explain.
So long as you think that it's okay for America to say someone else broke a UN resolution and that we need to attack, but then we defy a UN resolution in attacking them but that's okay because we're America, then yes "war crimes" is bogus. If you accept that it's okay that Guantanimo was hand-picked and crafted specifically to make prosecution impossible, and that it is circular logic to say Gitmo it is bound by no law because we set it up that way, then "war crimes" is a bogus term.
@HoneyIEducatedTheWeb wow, you're a great debator... no explanation, no reason, no "In my opinion, Vidal is not an intellectual because..." just, Vidal is not an intellectual period. And to add insult to injury, you call me an idiot as if understanding and appreciating Gore Vidal makes someone stupid.. you just proved my point, you have no leverage in this matter you piece of shit, wipe that smug grin off your pseudo intellectual face and fuck off, you're the idiot and you just showed everyone.
@iMaDeMoN2012 Does the constitution count as proof? You can't start a war without congressional approval, which Bush didn't get until months after the invasion. And given that most of the countries in the world opposed the invasion (as with the populations of those according to Gallup polls), I don't see how you can say Hitchens is just as much of a leftist as he always was-- unless the entire world has become more extreme!
@fromis111 Wow! You are a first class moron. I'm not even going to bother to correct your mistakes. Come talk to me in ten years when you have a clue.
@iMaDeMoN2012 Wow! Hard to refute that argument. I'll get back to you in 2021 if I've lost enough brain cells to get on your wavelength. In the meantime, may you merrily LY-stupid-AO all the livelong day. Cheers!
"What an asshole this guy is. Love these beard stokers and pinheads who do nothing except exploit issues to make themselves sound like some new versions of Socrates." LOL great quote
Hitchens does not feel the need to curry the approval of the God of the Israelites (albeit on grounds of fiction). What makes Gore Vidal think Hitchens would want or need the blessings of a has-been Leftist jerk?
I think Hitchens' gall is funny. He's not really witty, though I don't think he needs to be. His insights are interesting and funny in the sense that he so comfortably insults great numbers of people with every other sentence. This group, that group, this icon and that. Here comes Hitchens. Somebody's got to pay. Frankly, can't think of many more fun ways to freelance. Here's a guy who made a living giving everyone their share of humility.
@Darusdei Are you my usual stalker or a new one? If you're the usual, hi, Angus. Hope you get over your antisocial behavior. Hope you quit your job as an executive whatever the hell you are and admit you've been stalking women from work. Then threatening them not to tell. Congratulations on your promotions.
@cdphatty it's not that weird. Hitchens has cancer because he combined lots of alcohol with lots of cigarettes. the result of this combination is clear.
though i don't know whether or not Vidal is taking part in any such risky habits.
I was just reading Anais Nin's diary from 1944-1947 where the bulk of it concerns her romanticizing of Gore Vidal as a young sensitive poetic writer who needs to get out from under the shadow of his mother. It takes her years to figure out that he's a spiteful crank. Of course, the thought that ANYONE even flaky Anais Nin could think of Gore Vidal as a sensitive poet writer is kind of hilarious.
Listen to all the sycophantic toadies laughing at things that aren't really funny. Guess they don't wanna be suspected of not having a good time in front of this pompous old flamer.
What a pompous blowhard. This guy hasn't printed a successful publication in decades. Christopher Hitchens towers over this guy. Gore, you would be far more respected for keeping your mouth shut. Sit on your fat ass, shut the fuck up and spend the rest of your daddy's money while you still can.
@fuckooo The comment was a little flimsy, I'd be lying if I said I had any recollection of ever posting it. However, being called a cretin I feel is a little strong on your part, especially from somebody who has a videos of REAL cretins like George Galloway and Naom Chomky in their favourite videos. Perhaps your time would be better spent arguing constructively rather than making unnecessary personal attacks? Run along now, get back to watching 10 0 Clock Live.
@strepsil08 What a sad indictment this is. Thanks for surveying my channel, I'd like to say I'll return the favour, but, I shan't bother. I also won't be in the business of committing the fallacy of composition (like you do). So you run along dear cretin. Go and deify Hitchens some more.
@fuckooo Ah, yes because being a fan of someone and 'deifying' him are the exact same thing. /sarcasm.
Also, there's no point in accusing anyone of worshipping false idols when you can't even indicate which one's the real deal.
Just because I might think a great deal of Hitchens doesn't stop me disagreeing with him on other matters. I won't suspend my critical thinking to force myself to agree with anyone, unlike theists.
All this is one big ad hominem to sidestep around his critiques.
@viridismonasteriense Shut up you're boring. if you've ever studied logic, you'll realise that there are times where 'ad hominem' arguements are indeed justified.
Your pathetic attempts to justify yourself and your comments are hilarious, fuck off you pathetic individual.
I don't justify or need to justify anything. I'm merely pointing out that your use of the word 'deify' is intentionally misleading and out of place, trying to compare being a fan to religious devotion (and suddenly that's a bad thing? What a hypocrite.)
A critique does not immediately constitute an attack, even though you would love to victimize yourself, I'm sure.
No. I won't shut up. Your dishonesty and stupidity needs to be pointed out.
@fuckooo Well, then the guy who compared Hitch to god is also an idiot. I don't need to put up some fake mask of conformity when faced with someone who (possibly) shares my lack of belief in a god; not like Christians or even Muslims do when they encounter one of their own faith, especially one from another denomination.
I find no need to place a concept of god or divinity or even taboo anywhere. Question everything. Use your brain.
@viridismonasteriense Oh, so you're passing comments on something in which you had no idea what the original 'dispute' was about. Ahhh what an intelligent person you are, well done.
@fuckooo "What a great example of the type of idiot deification you can find of 'the Hitch' on youtube."
is what you said. This is not about your 'dispute' with this guy. This is about your attitude towards fans of Christopher Hitchens. That's what I commented on. Your entire 'false idols/prophets' schtick I can smell a mile away.
Your unwillingness to even accept the mildest critique reveals your dishonesty. And instead of addressing the issue you continue your ad hominem attacks. Nice.
@fuckooo I am objective in this debate and I find it humourous more than anything else, however, I must have misunderstood the justification of Ad Hominem chapter when I came across it, could you clarify the cases for me in which it is considered not to be a fallacy or a deviation from the original debate when an ad hominem is used? I learned that an argumentum ad hominem was by nature a fallacy, in fact it is quite clearly listed as being so in chapter three of the textbook my University used.
@MasterEled Sorry Eled, I was taking the piss, mainly because the guy was confusing ad hominem with verbal abuse (on my behalf). Don't worry your text book is correct.
What an asshole this guy is. Love these beard stokers and pinheads who do nothing except exploit issues to make themselves sound like some new versions of Socrates.
Gore Vidal is by many orders of magnitude the superior craftsman to the mentally defective warmonger otherwise known as Chris Hitchens, a point even the defective one openly concedes in Vanity Fair.
In spite of all his intellect and mastery of the pen, Vidal's vast arrogance blinds him to some of the most basic principles of human nature, in addition to the self delegation of certain privileges of assumption and conjecture, that he expects the lesser of humanity to take as fact.
@LowleyUK Hitchens supported the invasion of Iraq- and still does given that the WMD claims were fraudulent. There is nothing left-wing about supporting the bombing of Iraq.
@spartan2600 Since when was removing a facist dictator a right wing thing? He is left wing, he's said it himself many times, if you don't like it go take it up with him.
@LowleyUK So everyone who supported WWII is a leftist? Of course not. Leftists like socialists, communists, anarchist, social-democrats, liberal-democrats etc. have overwhelmingly fought against the Iraq invasion and anti-imperialism is one of the core facets among all on the left.
@spartan2600 So everyone that supports the Iraq war is right wing? Of course not. There were left and right wing motives for the invasion of Iraq but according to you Hitchens is automatically right wing for supporting it.
@LowleyUK Hitchens was a communist back in the 1980's and prior. He is also anti-capital punishment and spoke out against the scandal at Abu Ghraib. This might be 'leftish' in the absurd world of US politics. However, Hitchens lands squarely in the right of British and Continental politics given his support of aggressive foreign policy involving invading Islamic nations.
I have to admit though, Hitchens is a sophisticated figure and not easily pigeon-holed. I still respect his philosophy.
@spartan2600 I am aware of his history and despite your last remark you manage to pigeon-hole him as right wing (British politics) based on one example?? So all of labour are right wing are they?
@LowleyUK The Labor leaders like Blair supported the war, but the Labor base and many MP's, like Tony Benn did not support it. Also, it isn't just Iraq, Hitchens supports invading Islamic nations in general. Also, he supported Bush in 2004.
@spartan2600 The majority of the labour party supported it and an overall majority of parliament (412 to 149) Nevertheless my point was, are you seriously saying anyone that supports the war is right wing?
@LowleyUK I'm sure you know better than me about where the Labor party was on Iraq. Regarding your question, no. If you read my previous comment, I said that Hitchens supports invading Islamic nations in general, a view that is imperialist. In my view, imperialism is a fundamentally right-wing or capitalist program. Hitchens might not support imperialism for material reasons (oil, foreign markets, etc.) but imperialism it remains.
@spartan2600 Hitchens explicity supported the war primarily on humanitarian grounds, Iraq now has a functioning democracy as opposed to a dictatorship. Any support from Hitchens on further nvasions would be also be on the same grounds. You are lumping all left and right agendas under the name of imperialism, which is just flat out wrong.
Saddam violated 4 UN resolutions and committed genocide in Kurdistan, I think it's those that opposed the war that need to do the explaining.
@LowleyUK And if so much of Labor supported the Iraq invasion, then I'm not sure I would consider them "left-wing." Like our Democrats, they are centrist to center-right.
@spartan2600 I follow British politics extremely closely, Labour are made up of mainly socialists and officially remain a socialist or democratic socialist party. They are thought of as left or centre left on the political spectrum. One decision on the war does not change Labour's entire ideology.
@arthurdonachy You're the arsehole, and an extremely rude one too. For a start none of what I said is opinion, it's actually fact. Go look up their official stance and ideology. Secondly, the only thing I mention about ideology is that one decision doesn't alter an entire party's ideology, so whats your problem with that statement then Arthur?
@LowleyUK Look,you stated they are socialist,they are not.Do you know the difference between socialism and social democracy? Blair himself stated that "The 21st century will not be about the battle between capitalism and socialism but between the forces of progress and the forces of conservatism"During the term of his Gov.the gap between the rich and poor in britain continued to grow (IPPR) 2004 Is this what you consider socialism? the iraq war? a criminal act!
@arthurdonachy Thats all great but they OFFICIALLY remain a socialist party with many of their members being left wing socialists, this is undeniable. Also I know you've made an effort to be less rude but can I now ask you not to be so naive with your labelling of the Iraq war as criminal. This is utterly preposterous. Saddam broke international law thus making the war legal. But you would have allowed Saddam to do whatever he wanted though I guess...This is fantastically stupid.
Aside from the Iraq war having clearly been entirely illegal, it was just a stupid idea for several reasons. On top of all that, it was undertaken when the real, or at least alleged and admitted, culprit for 9/11 had still not been captured or killed. It was an illegal war based on lie after lie (as each lie was discovered, a new one was put in its place), which has cost hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, created more terrorists, wasted resources, destroyed support, created instability...
@MaximusRelaximus We are talking about Iraq so bin laden has nothing to do with that, and you have just shown to me that you have a limited understanding of the events. I love how you trumped my reasons for the war being legal with "it was clearly illegal because of lies" it's not a lie that saddam broke 4 UN resolutions! what a display of ignorance.
Wow... In CAPS... then it Has to be true. LOL, shout your bile.
But I just can't stop thinking... are all of you just angry from a biased standpoint and really beleiving the ugly stuff you're writing?
ExtrackterYT 5 days ago
WAR PROPAGANDIST, BUSH' BUDDY, WAR PROFITEER, SCUMBAG, FRAUD, LIAR...
AFGHANinSANDALS 6 days ago
Hitchens was an impostor because a theist; his god was the state.
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LordLindsey12 3 weeks ago
fuck the two assholes before me =D
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Christopher Hitchens was a Jewish-supremacist pervert who enjoyed sodomy. A man who willfully accepts another mans phallic into his mouth is not privvy to any truths of this universe. The world is a better place without him. Cancer did the world justice with Hitchens.
RevoltBeginsNow 3 weeks ago
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Hitchens a warmonger, loud mouth, had a quite cult following. Good Riddance.
rodeo179 3 weeks ago
@rodeo179 Atheists a cult? giggle
ExtrackterYT 6 days ago 2
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Hichens was a pro-war scumbag, The Hell with him
AFGHANinSANDALS 3 weeks ago
@AFGHANinSANDALS LOL, Hell. Talk about empty threats.
ExtrackterYT 6 days ago
@ExtrackterYT whatever....Hitchens was pro-war making Iraq a living hell. Fuck him
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JezusSlave 4 weeks ago
Hitchens never gave a shit about this queer and neither do most other people in America. So full of himself and so full of shit too.
rapier0954 4 weeks ago
hitchens ended up as the heir of vidal's enemy, william buckley. and i suspect we'll be seeing more people come to their senses regarding us foreign policy in the near future. the espoused views of vidal and company are as dated and frivolous as the old fart himself.
zackhanscom 4 weeks ago
Stop saying sir everyone for fucks sake!
seansalvador1 1 month ago
"My Heir" - Mr Vidal flatters himself.
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@4165mc Yes how could he compare himself to the wonderful Santa 'Hitch'
22grena 1 month ago
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Oh gtfo , ignorant fart. Gore Vidal is one of the most fascinating persons in british history.
shurednichso 18 hours ago
Gore's the real thing... he's got iron in his soul that keeps him steady and going while others show a burst of light and then disappear into nothingness. William F. Buckley, Jr. - Gone. Norman Mailer - Gone. And now Christopher Hitchens - Gone. Gore lives on. He's not some conservative fad of the reagan golden age or some atheist fad of the present time, he transcends these characters.
xtrmsprts 1 month ago
@xtrmsprts That's silly. He's superior to those guys because he's outlived them? Come on.
SmelOdies 1 month ago
Christopher Hitchens is a neo-con war monger, who used 911 and the Iraq invasions to promote his books and make a lot of money off of it. He makes up phoney lies how Saddem was part of 911. he should be ashamed of himself.
britainmalbangkok 1 month ago
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I doubt he cares or thinks or feels anything at all at this moment.
feyannabelle 1 month ago
@feyannabelle Really!
britainmalbangkok 1 month ago
@feyannabelle LOL.
I hope that is true, that would imply destruction of his soul.
If so, good riddance.
KTK401 1 month ago
@britainmalbangkok Hear hear. Well spoken!
Hitchens was a useless piece of crap.
KTK401 1 month ago
@KTK401 He only cares about making money off his book sales. He is a greedy bastard!!
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Gore outlives everyone... WFB and now Hitchens!
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MetrazolElectricity 1 month ago
GV is a pompous ass given to believing in some of the most absurd conspiracy theory imaginable!!
SubliminalAttraction 1 month ago
Gore was debunking religion when Hitchens was an obscure two bit drunk.
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The impoverished people of the world have less as they are wanting, thus they are: IMPOVERISHED. Having less is a cop-out. America's foundering middle class would live in large piles of hollowed out, hardened elephant shit to “save” mother Earth if the corporate media instructed them to.
CelestialEmbodiment 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens. The ultimate sellout.
historypoliticsbb 2 months ago
@historypoliticsbb Why is he a sell out?
GuitarD30 2 months ago
@GuitarD30 Because he went from a fairly honest critic of US foreign policy, writing books like 'The Trial of Henry Kissinger' (not actually a great book though only 12 primary sources) to one of the biggest propagandists for the 'Global War on Terror', which as you know, has involved removing the civil liberties of people in the West and conquering the remaining 'non-globalized' countries in the East/Global South. He even wrote a Slate column praising the murder of US citizen Anwar Al Awlaki.
historypoliticsbb 2 months ago
@GuitarD30 (cont.) And he went from selling the Socialist Worker and opposing the Vietnam War, to being a fellow of the Hoover Institute, writing for The Atlantic, Slate, Vanity Fair and making that disgraceful movie 'Manufacturing Dissent' which mocks small documentary makers for questioning the government. And getting paid millions of dollars for doing so. He is the living definition of a sell-out.
historypoliticsbb 2 months ago
@historypoliticsbb Aww thats no good. Very disappointing to say the least. Thanks for the response
GuitarD30 2 months ago
@historypoliticsbb Opening his eyes makes him a sellout? Enjoy the dark!
solpapisolmook 2 months ago
@solpapisolmook I'm assuming 'opening his eyes' is a euphemism for 'being a big fish in a small pond'? Hitchens has really made a living out of being a cut-price Orwell and token cantankerous 'Englishman' on U.S. popular chat shows. It's not that he hasn't anything worth hearing, he does, but that he's wasted ten good years playing at being an Athenian Rhetorician, now slavishly followed by drooling acolytes and 'born-again' atheists waiting for the martyr to pass on. It's unseemly.
nakedmambo 2 months ago
@nakedmambo No, "opening his eyes" was a euphemism for seeing things the way they are.
solpapisolmook 1 month ago
@solpapisolmook Which things in particular? Religious nonsense in general? He has no claim on that, it's an old battle, though he's one of the most successful popularisers in the U.S. Or do you mean the 'problem of Islam' which made him subvert every value he previously claimed to hold because it was trumped by his zeal for playing to the gallery by 'owning' and Hitchslapping religionists?
I agree with Hitchens against all religion when he condemns it as method-nonsense, (more...)
nakedmambo 1 month ago
@solpapisolmook (cont..) but not his opportunism of throwing in his lot with any kind of people who plot an assault against the theocrats. His support of the Iraq war has borne no fruit. It was and is a failure and has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread of Islam, which was Hitchens' real motivation. It's probably made even more people follow Islam as they see their friends and family ploughed under the war machine.
He followed the neo-con warmongers and got burned. But won't admit it.
nakedmambo 1 month ago
@nakedmambo He would admit it if he truly felt that way. The one thing about Hitchens that you can't take away from him is his honesty.
solpapisolmook 1 month ago 12
@solpapisolmook that's simply not true. hitchins tore apart many of the right people individually, most notably henry kissinger. but when it came the big question about why the world is in the mess it's in, he failed to lay the blame at the door of global capitalism. and he knew better. islamofascism, really.
lipsbach 1 month ago
@lipsbach What is not true? That he was, above all, an honest man? Yes, it is true, which is why so many people here have agreed with me. It's also why so many people dislike him and he made so many enemies, etc.
Capitalism is the reason the world is in a mess? No, sir. Greed, perhaps.
And if you don't think radical Islam is not a threat to the world, you're either naive, stupid, or living in a cave.
solpapisolmook 1 month ago 6
@nakedmambo That's not quite fair. Hitchens did get suckered bigtime into the 'War on Terror', but has pulled back a long way in recent years - not as far as I'd like, I admit - back into the left, though without regaining his Trotskyism.
KapStuf 1 month ago
Is Hitchen's an mk-ultra slave?
Quest4gnosis 3 months ago
He seems to have quite an esteemed opinion of himself! Isnt it up to others to decide your merit sir?
halvaman3 3 months ago
HE HAS A FUNNY FACE!
MsMrPlow 3 months ago
gore vidal is an anti american bastard
Graham6762 3 months ago
@Graham6762 Bullshit. He's more American than you'll ever be.
HoosierMF 3 months ago
@HoosierMF He said that Al gore should be president after 2000 and he conceded that he lost the election. He was advocating overthrowing the government. I don't know what is more anti american than that. and fuck you
Graham6762 3 months ago
@Graham6762 Explain how that's anti-American. Look up the word impeachment
HoosierMF 3 months ago
@Graham6762
Overthrowing the government is an established American right. When the leader is always right and may not be questioned, that's a dictatorship.
I'm not even American and I know more about what it is to be one than you do.
Gaz6231 3 months ago
@Gaz6231 Odd it was made an American right, it's never been used. Probably more elected dictatorships masquerading as democracy in the U.S. than anywhere else in the western hemisphere. Hitchens in particular lives in a dream-world of phony American revolution values that don't exist. Oh well, I suppose the U.S has made up for no revolution at home by overthrowing elected governments everywhere else.
nakedmambo 2 months ago 2
@nakedmambo
Your comment pisses me off, because what sounds like hopeless pessimism is actually the truth.
Washington, Inc and 5% feudalism is more evident than ever.
Deepstarr7020 2 months ago
@Graham6762 Which makes him very American.
truckerfromreno 3 months ago
"my heir"? jeez, what a self-important p-to-the-rick. Just die already.
netjunkie9 3 months ago
gore vidal is thoroughly unimpressive.
Sage80 3 months ago
@sacredjimi Oh noez, the bad man called me names!
And yes 'dunnit', a who dunnit is spelt that way, so who is the piece of shit?
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
Gora Vidal, fat and past it writer trying to add some shine to his life by mentioning the Hitch
whereas Hitchins wouldn't want to dance with such a bloater, intellectually, spiritually or otherwise. I did however like Vidals book,Kalki, it had me gripped, quite a good who dunnit.
Rockster969 4 months ago
@Rockster969 Hitchens, not Hitchins.
xomiakas 3 months ago
The fact is both Hitchens and Vidal are hypocritical. They are highly educated but that does not mean they are correct. Neither really gives a damn about common people even though the wealthy born, and heir to millions of english sterling Hitchens calls himself a socialist. Hitchens supported the rapacious wars in Iraq,Afghanistan. Both of these guys are into themselves. They don't hold a candle to Michael Parenti, Tariq Ali, West, Naomi Klien, Amy Goodman, C Hedges, Chomsky, et al
emotionalinvalid 4 months ago
@emotionalinvalid
IMO, Chomsky is a gatekeeper. How can a guy be so opposed to 'corruption' but then conclude, given the piles of evidence, that there was no way the U.S. gov. was involved in 9/11? He's ALSO stated that: "...even if it was, who cares?". That was the beginning of the end of my trust in Chomsky.
CRschralper 4 months ago
@CRschralper lmao Your government wasn't involved in 9/11! Why don't you paranoid nutters just piss off?
bewilderedkettle 4 months ago
@CRschralper so he's not a truther sitting on his computer in his moms basement with tinfoil on his head... seems like an odd reason to give up on a guy.
rigatony019 3 months ago
@emotionalinvalid that is not a fact it is a matter of opinion. You like Tariq ali, cornell west, amy goodman, etc because many of their opinions align with yours. Just because they make arguments you find to be more attractive than hitchens or vidal makes them no less hypocritical or factually wrong.
thecatfish111 3 months ago
What a jerk. Heir? Overrated fool.
slickvguy 4 months ago
Gore Vidal is smarter and wiser than Hitchens will ever be.
MetrazolElectricity 4 months ago
@MetrazolElectricity What a terrible insult. Gore Vidal is a self absorbed nitwit.
DrCruel 4 months ago
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MetrazolElectricity 4 months ago
He sure has earned the right to be self-absorbed. Gore wrote Julian when hitchens was chasing boys in cambridge. Hitch is a little shit next to this veritable god. Btw aren't you the punk who spams my videos with trashy right-wing comments?
MetrazolElectricity 4 months ago
@MetrazolElectricity I've tried to educate you on occasion, but you seem too thick for it. As an example, you apparently think it's a good thing to be a self-absorbed nitwit.
If Gore Vidal is a god to anyone, it's to socialist ideologues of the limousine Left. Most everyone else has sensibly and long since lost any respect for this arse of yesteryear. Hitchens, by contrast, is at least relevant and intellectually consistent.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel Yeah yeah. Just keep your right-wing kkk shit to yourself, man. or else, i'll have to block you from my channel.
MetrazolElectricity 4 months ago
@MetrazolElectricity Again, what an utterly stupid thing for you to say.
DrCruel 4 months ago
hitchens is genius . i ve been listening to him on youtube for a while . he sometimes speaks too fast. . never found him inconsistent. no complex. on half way across the world , he is inspiring. only problem . he got cancer due to smoking maybe .and he is recovering.
attila33hm 5 months ago
Hitchens is an idiot, he is just so unconsistent and he has a pathological God complex, he doesn't believe in God because he doesn't want any contenders to His title, he even tried to rewrite the Ten Commandments in a Vanity Fair article.
Kenmorfdublin 5 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin
Only a religious fundie could fail to comprehend the validity of Hitchens' critique of the 10 commandments. As he rightly points out, the first 3 say essentially the same thing and portray this Hebrew god as an egotistical and rather insecure figure. The remainder are largely self-evident, inadequate or irrelevant to our time. He goes on to propose an alternative set with which any reasonable person would find it hard to argue. Of course religious nuts aren't reasonable r they?
glazinq 5 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin Ad hominem attacks make you look little. Who gives a shit about his personality when his arguments are sound? Address his claims, not his characters.
Jonmad17 5 months ago
@Jonmad17 You need to learn to distinguish between observations, semantics and figurative speech.
Kenmorfdublin 5 months ago
Hitchens your heir? You're full of hot heir.
channelislander 5 months ago
Gore Vidal is a great man but Christopher Hitchens ideals and stance against theocratic fundalmentalism is the way forward for Western civilisation
vashna3799 5 months ago
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@vashna3799 "Well, first of all, I think they [Hitchens and his ilk] are religious fanatics. They happen to believe the state religion. Which is much more dangerous than other religions. They happen to be defenders of that state religion...The religion that says we have to support the violence and atrocities of our own state because it's being done for all sorts of wonderful reasons."
-Noam Chomsky
gamegfan1990 5 months ago
@gamegfan1990 Yes, but Noam Chomsky has backed Hezbollah and the Khmer Rouge. Chomsky is an unscrupulous Left-wing shill, and will literally make stuff up if he thinks it will support Left-wing fascism. His disapproval is hardly a mark against Hitchens.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel OK your obviously one of those retards who lives up Hitchens anus and Gobble up whatever comes out of it. Its one thing to disagree with Chomsky but to say that he is a shill makes you look like a total retard i guess Gore Vidal, Robert fisk and Lara Logan are also "shills" and that Hezbollah and Khmer Rouge comment *Facepalm* go masturbate over Hitchens Ugly mug your not worth anyone's time!!
gamegfan1990 4 months ago
@gamegfan1990 Noam Chomsky is a vile character, an apologist for mass murder as well as a liar and hypocrite. Apparently that upsets you enough to make an arse of yourself in public.
I don't expect I'd get along very well with Mr. Christopher Hitchens, but he does seem to be a bit too scrupulous for the Left. Like George Orwell, he's under the absurd impression that these autocratic fascist criminals can be turned into decent people. I don't share his sentiments.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel LOL I love how u Hitchtards who live of Hitchnes anal droppings and seems to have infested YouTube seem to think Just Chomsky calls out America and the west on its bullshit he is condoning violence Have you ever listen Chomsky?? Like some time ago I was accused by a Hitchtard of being a apologist for the Taliban just because i called out Americas atrocities FUCK THAT u lot are not gonna make me choose between 2 evils or as Hitchens calls it "lesser evil" fuck the Taliban and fuck u too!
gamegfan1990 4 months ago
@gamegfan1990 How does my disgust for despicable people like of Chomsky and Vidal make me into a fan of Hitchens?
Yes, I've listened to Chomsky. I've even exchanged an e-mail or two with the jerk (mainly because a friend of mine forwarded my opinions of the cretin to Chomsky as a practical joke). He has proven to be a gifted liar and a shill for Left fascists. Most of his fans are similarly vile and contemptible - and you haven't proven yourself to be an exception to that rule.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel I'm not sure how you call Chomsky - one of the most soft spoken and clear minded intellectuals alive - a "jerk" and "fascist shill", how again is it that an Anarchist supports fascism? do explain.
Keinlicht 4 months ago
@Keinlicht Because of his proven hypocrisy and repeated lies, both agains the US and in support of factions favored by the international Left mafia.
One would think his past support for the Khmer Rouge and Hezbollah would have been sufficient for most people.
As for his claims to being an unaligned "anarchist" and "libertarian socialist", you should look up the meaning of the word 'hypocrisy'.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@DrCruel Ah, I think that answers my question. Have a nice life, nuts-o
Keinlicht 4 months ago 2
@Keinlicht Glad to be of help, you Left fascist-loving fruitcake. See ya around.
DrCruel 4 months ago
@Keinlicht He doesn't have to explain; he's projecting himself and his own rotten qualities onto far more worthwhile people like Vidal and Chomsky.
neosoc 3 months ago
@gamegfan1990 Nice cite, but it looks like the Left fascist fans of Chomsky have flagged it as spam. How typical of them.
DrCruel 4 months ago
When I saw a clip called "Gore Vidal on Christopher Hitchens" I was like "They can't show that stuff on Youtube!"
Now I see Mr. Vidal is merely talking about Hitchens.
jimbrown257 5 months ago
So long as you think that it's okay for America to say someone else broke a UN resolution and that we need to attack, but then we defy a UN resolution in attacking them but that's okay because we're America, then yes "war crimes" is bogus. If you accept that it's okay that Guantanimo was hand-picked and crafted specifically to make prosecution impossible, and that it is circular logic to say Gitmo it is bound by no law because we set it up that way, then "war crimes" is a bogus term.
7j8i9m 6 months ago
@Raldefas If you don't accept international law then, yes, the two terms are equally "bogus."
fromis111 6 months ago
I don't know which fact is sadder: That Gore Vidal is so deluded, or that some continue to think that he has, or had, anything to say.
MojaveViper29 6 months ago
@MojaveViper29 no, I think you're the saddest for talking ignorant shit about a great man of our time... please get lost sheep.
mamakunem 6 months ago
@mamakunem
Vidal is not an intellectual.
You're an idiot. :)
HoneyIEducatedTheWeb 5 months ago
@HoneyIEducatedTheWeb wow, you're a great debator... no explanation, no reason, no "In my opinion, Vidal is not an intellectual because..." just, Vidal is not an intellectual period. And to add insult to injury, you call me an idiot as if understanding and appreciating Gore Vidal makes someone stupid.. you just proved my point, you have no leverage in this matter you piece of shit, wipe that smug grin off your pseudo intellectual face and fuck off, you're the idiot and you just showed everyone.
mamakunem 5 months ago
@mamakunem
This is coming from the same person who gave their conclusion but not the reasoning to that conclusion, when insulting that person below.
What can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence, as Christopher Hitchens said.
I was going to agree with your reply until I remembered why I said it.
And if you're going to criticise my debating skills (and I did it to mock you - get the point), at least spell "debater" right.
:S
HoneyIEducatedTheWeb 5 months ago
@MojaveViper29
Both are equally sad.
HoneyIEducatedTheWeb 5 months ago
Hitchens has not changed seats, it's the leftist that have pick up their seat and raced to edge of the room.
iMaDeMoN2012 7 months ago
@iMaDeMoN2012 By standing with virtually the entire world in opposing the flagrantly illegal Iraq invasion? Yeah, those leftists sure are crazy...
fromis111 7 months ago
@fromis111 Are we try to pick a fight? Those are fighting words...
illegal war...never proven
The Matt Damon movie is not proof nor Michael Moore's movie...LMAO
iMaDeMoN2012 7 months ago
@iMaDeMoN2012 Does the constitution count as proof? You can't start a war without congressional approval, which Bush didn't get until months after the invasion. And given that most of the countries in the world opposed the invasion (as with the populations of those according to Gallup polls), I don't see how you can say Hitchens is just as much of a leftist as he always was-- unless the entire world has become more extreme!
fromis111 7 months ago
@fromis111 Wow! You are a first class moron. I'm not even going to bother to correct your mistakes. Come talk to me in ten years when you have a clue.
iMaDeMoN2012 7 months ago
@iMaDeMoN2012 Wow! Hard to refute that argument. I'll get back to you in 2021 if I've lost enough brain cells to get on your wavelength. In the meantime, may you merrily LY-stupid-AO all the livelong day. Cheers!
fromis111 7 months ago
I believe it was the other way about Mr Vidal. And Mr Hitchens has already declined the offer.
surelady 7 months ago
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"What an asshole this guy is. Love these beard stokers and pinheads who do nothing except exploit issues to make themselves sound like some new versions of Socrates." LOL great quote
Karestasse 7 months ago
Hitchens does not feel the need to curry the approval of the God of the Israelites (albeit on grounds of fiction). What makes Gore Vidal think Hitchens would want or need the blessings of a has-been Leftist jerk?
DrCruel 8 months ago
"A bright kid" :D
sangsomlipo 8 months ago
I think Hitchens' gall is funny. He's not really witty, though I don't think he needs to be. His insights are interesting and funny in the sense that he so comfortably insults great numbers of people with every other sentence. This group, that group, this icon and that. Here comes Hitchens. Somebody's got to pay. Frankly, can't think of many more fun ways to freelance. Here's a guy who made a living giving everyone their share of humility.
brelfan 8 months ago
@brelfan yep and a random youtube poser is. sad...
Darusdei 7 months ago
@Darusdei Are you my usual stalker or a new one? If you're the usual, hi, Angus. Hope you get over your antisocial behavior. Hope you quit your job as an executive whatever the hell you are and admit you've been stalking women from work. Then threatening them not to tell. Congratulations on your promotions.
brelfan 7 months ago
how weird is it that hitchens may very well die before vidal
cdphatty 8 months ago
@cdphatty it's not that weird. Hitchens has cancer because he combined lots of alcohol with lots of cigarettes. the result of this combination is clear.
though i don't know whether or not Vidal is taking part in any such risky habits.
OyonTheAdept 7 months ago
I was just reading Anais Nin's diary from 1944-1947 where the bulk of it concerns her romanticizing of Gore Vidal as a young sensitive poetic writer who needs to get out from under the shadow of his mother. It takes her years to figure out that he's a spiteful crank. Of course, the thought that ANYONE even flaky Anais Nin could think of Gore Vidal as a sensitive poet writer is kind of hilarious.
marlowe2 8 months ago
@marlowe2 I love people insulting Great-arrogant Vidal. But your comment is the wittiest I read here so far.
"the thought that ANYONE even flaky Anais Nin could think of Gore Vidal as a sensitive poet writer is kind of hilarious"
So sad that big mouths are considered great minds like Vidal, which is less important to society than a plumber.
skepticaldemocrat 8 months ago 2
Actually, Vidal is lying here. It was Vidal who claimed Hitchens as his heir and his quote used to appear on the back of Hitchens' book jackets.
zatzme100 9 months ago
Listen to all the sycophantic toadies laughing at things that aren't really funny. Guess they don't wanna be suspected of not having a good time in front of this pompous old flamer.
MrJdouble1998 9 months ago
@MrJdouble1998 well said and so true .
pedagogyagent 8 months ago
What a pompous blowhard. This guy hasn't printed a successful publication in decades. Christopher Hitchens towers over this guy. Gore, you would be far more respected for keeping your mouth shut. Sit on your fat ass, shut the fuck up and spend the rest of your daddy's money while you still can.
bddc201 9 months ago
Gore Vidal is a pompous jackass.
KnightOwl2006 9 months ago
@KnightOwl2006 as opposed to Hitchens? - haha
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strepsil08 10 months ago
@strepsil08 What a great example of the type of idiot deification you can find of 'the Hitch' on youtube.
fuckooo 10 months ago
@fuckooo Funnily enough, I don't remember asking for your opinion.
strepsil08 10 months ago
@strepsil08 HAHAHAHAHA you're so embarrassed you removed the comment. What a cretin.
fuckooo 10 months ago
@fuckooo The comment was a little flimsy, I'd be lying if I said I had any recollection of ever posting it. However, being called a cretin I feel is a little strong on your part, especially from somebody who has a videos of REAL cretins like George Galloway and Naom Chomky in their favourite videos. Perhaps your time would be better spent arguing constructively rather than making unnecessary personal attacks? Run along now, get back to watching 10 0 Clock Live.
strepsil08 10 months ago
@strepsil08 What a sad indictment this is. Thanks for surveying my channel, I'd like to say I'll return the favour, but, I shan't bother. I also won't be in the business of committing the fallacy of composition (like you do). So you run along dear cretin. Go and deify Hitchens some more.
fuckooo 10 months ago
@fuckooo Ah, yes because being a fan of someone and 'deifying' him are the exact same thing. /sarcasm.
Also, there's no point in accusing anyone of worshipping false idols when you can't even indicate which one's the real deal.
Just because I might think a great deal of Hitchens doesn't stop me disagreeing with him on other matters. I won't suspend my critical thinking to force myself to agree with anyone, unlike theists.
All this is one big ad hominem to sidestep around his critiques.
viridismonasteriense 10 months ago
@viridismonasteriense Shut up you're boring. if you've ever studied logic, you'll realise that there are times where 'ad hominem' arguements are indeed justified.
Your pathetic attempts to justify yourself and your comments are hilarious, fuck off you pathetic individual.
fuckooo 10 months ago
@fuckooo Wow you really are a piece of work.
I don't justify or need to justify anything. I'm merely pointing out that your use of the word 'deify' is intentionally misleading and out of place, trying to compare being a fan to religious devotion (and suddenly that's a bad thing? What a hypocrite.)
A critique does not immediately constitute an attack, even though you would love to victimize yourself, I'm sure.
No. I won't shut up. Your dishonesty and stupidity needs to be pointed out.
viridismonasteriense 10 months ago
@viridismonasteriense NB: The original post which I responded to (a post subsequently deleted) compared 'the Hitch' to God.
As to the rest of your post: YAWN.
fuckooo 10 months ago
@fuckooo Well, then the guy who compared Hitch to god is also an idiot. I don't need to put up some fake mask of conformity when faced with someone who (possibly) shares my lack of belief in a god; not like Christians or even Muslims do when they encounter one of their own faith, especially one from another denomination.
I find no need to place a concept of god or divinity or even taboo anywhere. Question everything. Use your brain.
"Yawn?" Can you even be more childish?
viridismonasteriense 10 months ago
@viridismonasteriense Oh, so you're passing comments on something in which you had no idea what the original 'dispute' was about. Ahhh what an intelligent person you are, well done.
fuckooo 10 months ago
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@fuckooo "What a great example of the type of idiot deification you can find of 'the Hitch' on youtube."
is what you said. This is not about your 'dispute' with this guy. This is about your attitude towards fans of Christopher Hitchens. That's what I commented on. Your entire 'false idols/prophets' schtick I can smell a mile away.
Your unwillingness to even accept the mildest critique reveals your dishonesty. And instead of addressing the issue you continue your ad hominem attacks. Nice.
viridismonasteriense 9 months ago
@fuckooo I am objective in this debate and I find it humourous more than anything else, however, I must have misunderstood the justification of Ad Hominem chapter when I came across it, could you clarify the cases for me in which it is considered not to be a fallacy or a deviation from the original debate when an ad hominem is used? I learned that an argumentum ad hominem was by nature a fallacy, in fact it is quite clearly listed as being so in chapter three of the textbook my University used.
MasterEled 9 months ago
@MasterEled Sorry Eled, I was taking the piss, mainly because the guy was confusing ad hominem with verbal abuse (on my behalf). Don't worry your text book is correct.
fuckooo 9 months ago
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fuckooo 10 months ago
What an asshole this guy is. Love these beard stokers and pinheads who do nothing except exploit issues to make themselves sound like some new versions of Socrates.
Gideon6640man 10 months ago
Vidal is to liberalism what Ron Paul is to conservatism: the weird uncle.
thenutintheushanka18 10 months ago
OH, THAT's where that "No" comes from, gotcha.
Zimnyification 11 months ago
Gore Vidal is by many orders of magnitude the superior craftsman to the mentally defective warmonger otherwise known as Chris Hitchens, a point even the defective one openly concedes in Vanity Fair.
FromAtomsMade 1 year ago 2
@FromAtomsMade Get his name right, it's ChrisTOPHER.
LowleyUK 11 months ago
In spite of all his intellect and mastery of the pen, Vidal's vast arrogance blinds him to some of the most basic principles of human nature, in addition to the self delegation of certain privileges of assumption and conjecture, that he expects the lesser of humanity to take as fact.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
Fuck Christopher Hitches. Right wing sack of shit.
JamesRobertSmith 1 year ago
@JamesRobertSmith He's left wing. What a foul person you seem to be.
LowleyUK 1 year ago
@LowleyUK Hitchens supported the invasion of Iraq- and still does given that the WMD claims were fraudulent. There is nothing left-wing about supporting the bombing of Iraq.
spartan2600 1 year ago 2
@spartan2600 Since when was removing a facist dictator a right wing thing? He is left wing, he's said it himself many times, if you don't like it go take it up with him.
LowleyUK 1 year ago
@LowleyUK So everyone who supported WWII is a leftist? Of course not. Leftists like socialists, communists, anarchist, social-democrats, liberal-democrats etc. have overwhelmingly fought against the Iraq invasion and anti-imperialism is one of the core facets among all on the left.
spartan2600 1 year ago
@spartan2600 So everyone that supports the Iraq war is right wing? Of course not. There were left and right wing motives for the invasion of Iraq but according to you Hitchens is automatically right wing for supporting it.
LowleyUK 11 months ago
@LowleyUK Hitchens was a communist back in the 1980's and prior. He is also anti-capital punishment and spoke out against the scandal at Abu Ghraib. This might be 'leftish' in the absurd world of US politics. However, Hitchens lands squarely in the right of British and Continental politics given his support of aggressive foreign policy involving invading Islamic nations.
I have to admit though, Hitchens is a sophisticated figure and not easily pigeon-holed. I still respect his philosophy.
spartan2600 1 year ago 2
@spartan2600 I am aware of his history and despite your last remark you manage to pigeon-hole him as right wing (British politics) based on one example?? So all of labour are right wing are they?
LowleyUK 11 months ago
@LowleyUK The Labor leaders like Blair supported the war, but the Labor base and many MP's, like Tony Benn did not support it. Also, it isn't just Iraq, Hitchens supports invading Islamic nations in general. Also, he supported Bush in 2004.
spartan2600 11 months ago
@spartan2600 The majority of the labour party supported it and an overall majority of parliament (412 to 149) Nevertheless my point was, are you seriously saying anyone that supports the war is right wing?
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LowleyUK 11 months ago
@LowleyUK I'm sure you know better than me about where the Labor party was on Iraq. Regarding your question, no. If you read my previous comment, I said that Hitchens supports invading Islamic nations in general, a view that is imperialist. In my view, imperialism is a fundamentally right-wing or capitalist program. Hitchens might not support imperialism for material reasons (oil, foreign markets, etc.) but imperialism it remains.
spartan2600 11 months ago
@spartan2600 Hitchens explicity supported the war primarily on humanitarian grounds, Iraq now has a functioning democracy as opposed to a dictatorship. Any support from Hitchens on further nvasions would be also be on the same grounds. You are lumping all left and right agendas under the name of imperialism, which is just flat out wrong.
Saddam violated 4 UN resolutions and committed genocide in Kurdistan, I think it's those that opposed the war that need to do the explaining.
LowleyUK 11 months ago
@LowleyUK And if so much of Labor supported the Iraq invasion, then I'm not sure I would consider them "left-wing." Like our Democrats, they are centrist to center-right.
spartan2600 11 months ago
@spartan2600 I follow British politics extremely closely, Labour are made up of mainly socialists and officially remain a socialist or democratic socialist party. They are thought of as left or centre left on the political spectrum. One decision on the war does not change Labour's entire ideology.
LowleyUK 11 months ago
@LowleyUK
absolute shit;the ratio of socialists in the labour party are in sync with the democrats in the democratic party.
Tell us about the jettisoning of clause 4 then while your bullshitting on about ideology arsehole
arthurdonachy 11 months ago
@arthurdonachy You're the arsehole, and an extremely rude one too. For a start none of what I said is opinion, it's actually fact. Go look up their official stance and ideology. Secondly, the only thing I mention about ideology is that one decision doesn't alter an entire party's ideology, so whats your problem with that statement then Arthur?
LowleyUK 11 months ago
@LowleyUK Look,you stated they are socialist,they are not.Do you know the difference between socialism and social democracy? Blair himself stated that "The 21st century will not be about the battle between capitalism and socialism but between the forces of progress and the forces of conservatism"During the term of his Gov.the gap between the rich and poor in britain continued to grow (IPPR) 2004 Is this what you consider socialism? the iraq war? a criminal act!
arthurdonachy 11 months ago
@arthurdonachy Thats all great but they OFFICIALLY remain a socialist party with many of their members being left wing socialists, this is undeniable. Also I know you've made an effort to be less rude but can I now ask you not to be so naive with your labelling of the Iraq war as criminal. This is utterly preposterous. Saddam broke international law thus making the war legal. But you would have allowed Saddam to do whatever he wanted though I guess...This is fantastically stupid.
LowleyUK 11 months ago
Aside from the Iraq war having clearly been entirely illegal, it was just a stupid idea for several reasons. On top of all that, it was undertaken when the real, or at least alleged and admitted, culprit for 9/11 had still not been captured or killed. It was an illegal war based on lie after lie (as each lie was discovered, a new one was put in its place), which has cost hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, created more terrorists, wasted resources, destroyed support, created instability...
MaximusRelaximus 11 months ago
@MaximusRelaximus We are talking about Iraq so bin laden has nothing to do with that, and you have just shown to me that you have a limited understanding of the events. I love how you trumped my reasons for the war being legal with "it was clearly illegal because of lies" it's not a lie that saddam broke 4 UN resolutions! what a display of ignorance.
LowleyUK 11 months ago