@CrysisAnimations They did understand him. What was different though was how the party did not choose to give in and accept the kind BS they went through and defy it, while Adachi has more or less given up on life. And murdered people for the lulz
I can't be the only one who 100% agrees with Adachi, well except for the killing and the changing world thing. I guess I 80% agree with him then. Anyways, I'm kind of disappointed that the characters did absolutely NOTHING to try and understand him. I mean, didn't they go through the same shit too? Didn't THEY almost have killed those who cared for them? (Yes, their fucking shadows actually harmed them.) So in the end, who's really the hypocritical one?
I think Adachi's argument was supposed to make sense. This is because a lot of us really think like Adachi (minus the whole crazy rapist serial killer part). The party defies his argument because they haven't got a pessimistic outlook on life, and don't give in to the cruel world they live in, unlike Adachi who gave up on humanity a long time ago.
The reason Adachi and the protagonist have the same persona is because they are basically the same person, with life experiences defining who they are
I admit Adachi is right that people were the ones who formed the shadow, it would be easier to only believe what you want to, people may be born with talent, and several other things he said. However, he's just trying to justify himself and act rightous.
An easy life is no life at all, people learn because they make mistakes, people must work hard to earn rewards, and everyone must face reality, no matter how hard it is.
Adachi is just whining about his own pre-adult life.
@Jmerzio Mitsuo was the one who killed King Moron, Adachi only murdered Mayumi Yamano and Saki Konishi. The rest of the kidnappings were made by Taro Namatame.
It's funny how Adachi sounds and calls himself mature, when if you evaluate the content of his speech, he just sounds like an emo kid (no offence, but srsly)
70% of the reason i like adachi is because his voice actor delivers the lines so well and i do like him as a surprize antagnist. i mean come on no one saw that one coming he was such a goof ball for 90% fo the game
@thanatoast666 Somehow, he came out of left field and took the title of "Most Powerful Troll" from just about every anime/video game character ever... O_O
I don't get why Adachi gets so much "defenders" he is not supposed to be a incredible villain, or a smart and deep person, he is the EMPTYNESS in Izanami's game, one of the sides of the Fool.
I'm guessing because a lot of people can relate to what he says. In essence, it's just being powerless, then seeing someone with power take charge. Too bad Adachi was a raving lunatic.
I like how alot of people are trying do justify adachi's actions when those same actions resulted in the deaths of two innocent people (3 if you get the bad ending).
Adachi believes that he is better than everyone around him. But he got bored, so he somehow discovered this power. He intentionally put Saki in mortal peril for his own enjoyment. Then he came up with messed up justifications for his actions. He feels cheated by life and doesn't want to face the world believing everyone to be idiots.
He's a sociopathic narcissist who kills innocent people and endangers thousands more for the sheer hell of it, and is totally aware of his actions. That's EVIL.
I wouldn't really call his mental illness being evil. He was just doing what he thought was right. Everyone becoming shadows and dumping this reality? Sounds pretty understandable to me.
That said, I don't think it's really justified. He seemed to lose control. Also, there is no evil, every side does what they think is right. Under a different perspective you can assume that what the main characters did was evil since they went against God who knew what humanity truly wished for.
@Baelaein Ahem ;] They went against what God THOUGHT humanity wished for; she was only taking it from a very biased sample, that is, Adachi... probably because he had the strongest, most organized argument xD
What, no. She didn't take the thoughts from Adachi. She took it from the whole of humanity.
The main characters didn't represent humanity as a whole. They represented themselves. But then again, God ended up going "oh alright, I guess it's true" in their case anyway. I guess it's one of those huge plot holes that no one gives a shit about.
The 'good' side didn't question whether Adachi's ideology was right or wrong. They didn't question anything but chose to blindly follow their instincts and feelings. The only response they had to Adachi's thoughts was "you're immature" and "you're selfish.
Izanami is attempting to understand humanity's desires based on those that she awoke. The very first of which being Adachi.
Adachi's insecurities about not having so called 'talent' and boredom with daily life lead Izanami to believe that humanity just suffers through their lives, that people just want what is easy, and what is easy would be to live their lives as uncaring shadows.
You show her that there are those who are willing to push past what is easy to accept.
@Baelaein it's because Persona 4 is not about "humanity is pure and awesome" the main characters defeated Izanami, they choose to not let self destructing desires and self imposed deception rule their lifes, they dispelled the fog of self deception... form THEIR world, not THE world but rather their lives and how they live, they themselves say so to Izanami, and thats what it represents, some peopel like this game a lot, without even understanding it.
Lol at the people trying to justify Adachi's twisted logic. Everytime he said something reasonable, he then said something ridiculous like "we should all become shadows". Naoto made the best point, she hit it spot on, the rest of the group were useless in this argument. But Naoto just proved that people like Adachi can't live in society because of that radical thought. There's no justification for almost killing a 6yr old then for him to act like he had no part proves that he is mental.
I don't know, why but Adachi has always reminded me of Matsuda from Death Note-They are both fairly new detectives who are both don't really read the atmosphere and seem somewhat innocent, until a twist at the end of the story. (Trying not to give away spoilers for newer DN fans.)
People in the real world really ARE self-righteous. They all claim to know best, and they think they know what to do. They only call other people out on their crimes, and never really take any blame.
O top of that, everyone complains endlessly about how things are, but few people ever try and change themselves. They just assume it will happen if they all pray or something for long enough.
Makes me cry how easily the good guys ignore all this.
@TheOneWithCatfish We agree on that, the sad state adachi live was don't excuse what he did, but i think at least the team should have tried to counter his arguments, adachi problaly ended like this because on one wanted to hear his problems, then comes the team and do the same :-( If you stop to think, if the protagonist have come ealier to inaba and become adachi friends, maybe everthing would be different.
@chrisonthepc Maybe i made my point wrong, but is yukiko.
@BluntmanEXE Yes, she did with talent and hard work, but the fact that she was born with a nice body remain, i have a girl in my city that because of a birth defect, have half her face missing, and the rest is malformed, do you think she have the same chances of Rise of becoming a idol ? i have the suspicious feeling that Rise wounl't become a idol if she was born with a malformed body, but that's BS right?
@TheOneWithCatfish The problem i have with yukiko is that she acts like she never passed by something like this, yeah, she overcame her feelings, but she did that with the help of her friends(even more if you up her s-link), there's nothing to indicate adachi was helped from anyone to make his life better, remener when you are lvling yukiko s-links? she din't wanted to inherit, and she was planning to "run away", just like a kid throwing a tantrum, because she can't have her way.
"Living is too painful for you, but you don't want do die... Of course no one would understand! it makes no sense! You're just throwing a tantrum like a kid who can't have his way!" really yukiko? i remenber someone who shadow has gone beserk because that person was bored and disapointed with her life, who considered her own life whortless, but even so din't want to die, who was that, i can't remenber...
Wow...they're acting like dicks. Something I always thought, it's almost like their scared to even remotely agree with him...throwing insults to hide that they somewhat agree with some of the things he says...
@waj9876 Would you kindly discuss with someone who killed one of your friends and attempted to kill you ? I mean ... Adachi raised some good points but half of them ARE BS. "I didn't kill them", yeah, you just pushed Saki knowing Yamano died. It's like pushing someone who can't swin into the water.
"Talent" ? What about hard work ? No more pain ? Yup, but no more joy. "Everybody want this ?" How does he know that ? This guy is just a lazy weirdo with a twisted logic.
@kenzouilli That comment was before I played the true ending...and boy was I surprised...though now what he did seems less his fault. XD Souji was epic in that.
He kinda didn't kill them both. The first was obviously an accident, though the second one yeah. He's only murdered one person, and accidentally killed the other.
I think that...how can I say this without spoiling...well... he was slightly influenced by the world itself, more specifically Ameno, who is everywhere at once.
@waj9876 Yes, Yamano was an accident. But ... it's kinda shocking how he pushed Saki before shouting her something like "you'll die here, lololollol" through the TV.
The same way, he duped Namatame just because he was bored and it'd be fun. Yeah, best reason ever x) It's why we can't accept most of what he said, he's just blabbering nonsense in order to justify all the shit he made.
I agree though he was partly influenced, it's not fully his fault.
@kenzouilli The first comment I left was more about that they seemed to just insult him when he brought up a good point, and they even contemplate killing Namatame, remember?
@waj9876 Yes, you're partly right. But, as I said, I seriously doubt you'd discuss with someone like that, someone who did such things, so I understand why they can't stay calm and argue.
Honestly, I don't think he's really denying it. He knows who he killed and why he killed them, his tone sounds more condescending and provocative than actually seriously discussing his intent with a group of teenagers.
Except for the whole 'transform the world' business. Was totally serious there.
And I actually find his perspective more agreeable than the "We hate this person, let's punish him" self-righteous approach by the 'good' characters.
I'm quite disappointed at the choices you get to make in the game, dialogues that are mainly one-sided. But hey, can't imagine this game being as popular if you actually sided with Adachi and started reaping everything you see.
yeah a game where you have almost full control over the course of the plot would be interesting, however such a title would likely have a heavy price tag cause its gonna take several discs to cram all that in. as usual with most games the majority of your choices just add 1 or 2 extra lines of dialogue. though ive gotten used to that, probably the closest game ive seen that gives you many dialogue options is steambot chronicles but that game ends up being kinda linear anyway.
To all the people who support Adachi's reasoning I would have to say this: It is not as well thought out as you may think. The first problem is, as he stated himself, is that he is trying to generalize society based on his own perspective. The issue with that is that he is one out of billions of people. He is ignoring the people out there in the world who are living out genuinely happy lives whether or not it turned out the way they hoped it would.
While it is true that life can does have its dull moments, it doesn't mean that you cannot do something to change that. While it would seem like the world is placing restrictions on you, it is really yourself that is holding you back. If I had a job that I didn't like I would try to explore other options or see if I could find similar work under a different employer.
Adachi became a cop for "the fun and a gun" and didn't get much out of it. Rather than reconsidering his choice to become a cop he let himself get boxed in. This combined with his mindset on life makes him a danger to himself and everyone around him...
Now that I think about I wonder if there is more to the so called "tiny mistake" than he lets on. I mean I'm no cop, but I would think that it take something major to be transferred from one station to another.
The second issue that I have is how he tries to foster off blame for the murders on the midnight channel which reacting to people's feelings. That's would be like if I said that it's not my fault that someone died if I threw them into a pit of hungry lions. Adachi knew full well what would happen to second victim after the first corpse turned up. That he showed no actual remorse in either case and then manipulated Namatame paints him as heartless bastard who should be shot, several times.
There's my argument against Adachi's outlook on life. If anyone has anything to say for or against feel free to do so, I wouldn't mind a little further discussion at all.
@KaizarDevil Yes, even though I think that the midnight channel is unpredictable and who knows. He did in fact wanted the second victem to die. After all he said himself "liked I ever walk into a deathtrap like that".
@KaizarDevil I'm going to agree with you on this. Let's face it, he didn't think it through hard enough. Thought it was all fun and games. Then fell way far down. Plus I don't think he's the type to work that hard anywho.
@KaizarDevil Its a little of both. While its easier to say to others a change of attitude is all you need. I think its an over-simplification. People step on others or "survival of the fittest".
@KaizarDevil Sorry, but your arguement seems a bit assuming to me. Adachi mentioned accept or deny. Maybe those people knew they weren't going anywhere anymore so they decided to accept it. Even still that doesn't neccesarily means they're happy. I think the major problem is face value when it comes to supposed happiness.
@Zacksmilenify I think I see where you would get the idea that I making an assumption, however Adachi himself actually at 4:10 he said himself that he was telling the team that his argument is based on his own experiences in life. Wouldn't you say that his argument is bit assuming as well. It does not seem to me as if he has spoken to anyone else about this and probably came to the conclusion that if his life sucked than that no one else was really happy with their lives as well.
@KaizarDevil Yes, its about finding a balance. Besides if anything I think Adachi is dissatisfied with life in general and so are a lot of people. I'm saying Adachi is right, but the misanthropic sublties shouldn't be disregarded.
@Zacksmilenify I'm not disregarding Adachi's general argument or any of the separate points behind it, in fact I would say that in some cases he is right; there are people out there who have had an unfortunate life and would agree with him. However, you can't disregard that there are people who have turned out rather well and disagree with Adachi.
@KaizarDevil Exactly what I mean. Its all subjective, to ourselves. Not to mention seen through our own perspective. I wouldn't say Adachi is entirely wrong either. But like you yourself stated happiness is too abstract for any real generalization. So we really can't say objectively they turned out happy, dissatisfied, or have lost (or gained) passion in it. So, I'll think we could leave it at that? Really nice, discussing this, alleviates boredom.
@Zacksmilenify I am not sure I can agree with you on the subject on supposed happiness. I won't say that you're wrong because for all I know people could in fact be feigning happiness to hide the fact that they are not satisfied with their lives. However you can't deny that as many people as there are in this world, that there are some people who actually are satisfied with their lives despite it going in a different direction than they had planned for.
@KaizarDevil Happiness doesn't entail nesscarily eternal satifaction. One can achieve "happiness". Then with time slowly lose the passion they once had for it. They're fewer who achieve peace of mind with their happiness. Its a matter of time and sheer will power to NOT end up like Adachi.
@Zacksmilenify I don't think that "happiness" can be defined as something that you can discover and lose a passion for; happiness can mean something completely different from one person to the next, therefore being too abstract to be worded in clear-cut terms.
Also as we are not given any idea as to what Adachi's life was like up until this point, neither of us can really say what caused him to turn the way he is or how to prevent such circumstances from happening to others.
Anyone else think that the whole mankind turning into shadows thing may be connected to The Fall from the previous game? Like...Izanami, Nyx being connected?
Not to mention Nyarlathotep from Persona 2 also trying to end the world because humans apparently want it that way...
"you're the plague!" lol, Chie, what are we, in grade school?
Not to just echo everyone else's thoughts, but I too agreed with Adachi, everyone else's arguments against him didn't have any merit, Naoto said some kinda interesting counterpoints but in the end, I still feel like Adachi is right. Maybe he's going about it the wrong way, lol, but it doesn't make what he said any less valid.
Haha, Souji is the only one not saying dumb things because he never says anything, lol.
adachi said: " All I did was puting people in here. It's this world that really kills them..." that's the same as using a gun to kill someone!
"it's the gun that really kills them..." BUT YOU PULL THE TRIGER!! he used that world as a weapon! and bleame the "weapon" is one of the most stupids things I ever heard!
@SimonDante007 I think the point is that when he first did it it was a total surprise and he didn't really know what was going to happen to them. After that, though, yeah. Still thuogh, it's ultimately not adachi doing it. After all, he's able to go in without a problem. If other people die, it's because of the way they are different than him, not because he commanded the tv to do it.
i wish this was more like growlancer 2 where at the end you got a choice whether to fight with or against the 'bad guy'. seriously. what doess everyone have to be scared of when everyone's a shadow?
hehe...if there was i was looking forward to it...but i did't even finished playing P4, i already see the ending...its kinda not fun...but then i just wanted to knw who's the killer...i just can't believe it was adachi!
hoho lol I love the plot of P4 to be honest^^ what Adachi doesn't know that there is another spectator besides him and this one is the true one^^ even Adachi is no more than a puppet being pulled by someone's strings. this pot is very well put together and worked out the player doesn't even know that is they get the true ending or no just by putting Adachi unless they are either very clever or had a guide to help them^^ choose one option wrong and it's game over ATLUS and geniuses!!
Johnny Yong Bosch plays a lot of heroes or main characters on the good side but he sure can play the bad guy great.
MyShiroyuki 4 days ago
@dobadobadooo ...Didn't they have the same persona because of "Cannn I touch yourrr handdd???"
zaqareemalcolm 1 week ago
@CrysisAnimations They did understand him. What was different though was how the party did not choose to give in and accept the kind BS they went through and defy it, while Adachi has more or less given up on life. And murdered people for the lulz
zaqareemalcolm 1 week ago
Teddie doesnt know what to do gasp what a surprise
almightyconker 1 week ago
I can't be the only one who 100% agrees with Adachi, well except for the killing and the changing world thing. I guess I 80% agree with him then. Anyways, I'm kind of disappointed that the characters did absolutely NOTHING to try and understand him. I mean, didn't they go through the same shit too? Didn't THEY almost have killed those who cared for them? (Yes, their fucking shadows actually harmed them.) So in the end, who's really the hypocritical one?
CrysisAnimations 2 weeks ago
Well, Adachi did have a point...
dmoquinn 3 weeks ago
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FukoTheZombie 3 weeks ago
ohhh i love you adachi...
Meowkachiou 3 weeks ago
I think Adachi's argument was supposed to make sense. This is because a lot of us really think like Adachi (minus the whole crazy rapist serial killer part). The party defies his argument because they haven't got a pessimistic outlook on life, and don't give in to the cruel world they live in, unlike Adachi who gave up on humanity a long time ago.
The reason Adachi and the protagonist have the same persona is because they are basically the same person, with life experiences defining who they are
dobadobadooo 1 month ago 7
Chie: No one wants anything like that, it's just you dumbass
People in the real world: We don't?
ibenez54 1 month ago 3
I think Adachi is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills bitches and whores and doesnt afraid of shadows.
legomovieman94 2 months ago
any one else heads hurt?
brenndon1 2 months ago in playlist Persona 4
He is a major dumbass but in the end, he is the one who helped the team learn the real truth...
FireOnMe08 2 months ago
Funny.Adachi is a motherfucking scumbag but somehow I still like him.XD
KayTheYatagarasu 2 months ago
I kinda agree with whatever Adachi says :/
EmoGhost1995 2 months ago 2
Adachi went up levels in both awesome and creepy in less than eight minutes.
He does make a great villain.
MyShiroyuki 2 months ago
DAMN IT ALL I CAN HEAR KOIZAMI (from the melancholly)
Nevets767 3 months ago
I think most of the fanbase, including myself, still loves Adachi, despite the turnout.
It's gotta be the cabbage. OTL
ShirubaHanshou 3 months ago
That's not Adachi's Shadow it's his Persona.
SonOfTheEmpire 4 months ago
I admit Adachi is right that people were the ones who formed the shadow, it would be easier to only believe what you want to, people may be born with talent, and several other things he said. However, he's just trying to justify himself and act rightous.
An easy life is no life at all, people learn because they make mistakes, people must work hard to earn rewards, and everyone must face reality, no matter how hard it is.
Adachi is just whining about his own pre-adult life.
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ibenez54 4 months ago
THREE people died Naoto. Did you forget about King Moron already?
Jmerzio 5 months ago
@Jmerzio From naoto "Maaaaaan F#$% king moron."
gammo700 5 months ago
@Jmerzio Mitsuo was the one who killed King Moron, Adachi only murdered Mayumi Yamano and Saki Konishi. The rest of the kidnappings were made by Taro Namatame.
Trickster242 3 months ago
Adachi is awesome wiithout him you kids wouldn't have your P4 awesome plot xD
CeNayazu 5 months ago
It's funny how Adachi sounds and calls himself mature, when if you evaluate the content of his speech, he just sounds like an emo kid (no offence, but srsly)
poissony 5 months ago 3
70% of the reason i like adachi is because his voice actor delivers the lines so well and i do like him as a surprize antagnist. i mean come on no one saw that one coming he was such a goof ball for 90% fo the game
kirbyknightmare 5 months ago 2
Who does the voice for Adachi:?
mudkipcorp 5 months ago
@mudkipcorp Johnny Yong Bocsh
GutsandGlory45 5 months ago
so adachi did it for lulz
Awesome
thanatoast666 6 months ago 8
@thanatoast666 Somehow, he came out of left field and took the title of "Most Powerful Troll" from just about every anime/video game character ever... O_O
Asgard314 5 months ago
i feel sorry for adachi
govinpon 6 months ago
“Let’s be honest. There’s nothing great about the real world, is there? It’s just dull and annoying as hell.”
kataang327 6 months ago 44
it would be awesome if you fight the boss after adachi with adachi
nemesisuprising 7 months ago
Adachi is a pussy only thing he is good at is getting Dojima's coffee.
ky015 7 months ago
I love adachi HE IS THE HOOTTESST
Compani0nCub3 7 months ago
I don't get why Adachi gets so much "defenders" he is not supposed to be a incredible villain, or a smart and deep person, he is the EMPTYNESS in Izanami's game, one of the sides of the Fool.
Keihzaru 7 months ago
@Keihzaru
I'm guessing because a lot of people can relate to what he says. In essence, it's just being powerless, then seeing someone with power take charge. Too bad Adachi was a raving lunatic.
But a funny raving lunatic.
Baelaein 7 months ago
As much as I like Adachi... He should clean his mouth with his pistol.
0816M3RC 7 months ago
I loved how Adachi seemed like a dumb detective at first but ever since I saw him, I knew he was hiding something.
MyShiroyuki 8 months ago
Is it just me or does Rise say "This will probably be our last battle." like 4 times.
jbirdie12 8 months ago
Good comeback Chie, " YOUR THE PLAUGE!"
blarghblargh5 9 months ago 4
@blarghblargh5 NO U! 11
Zellig 9 months ago
I like how alot of people are trying do justify adachi's actions when those same actions resulted in the deaths of two innocent people (3 if you get the bad ending).
Reaper00140 10 months ago
Naoto had a great captain of the obvious moment at the beggining, Adachi reaction at 00:31 was the same as me.
CeNayazu 10 months ago 2
It's so crazy to find out that you were playing the bad-guys all along.
jle717 10 months ago
Adachi believes that he is better than everyone around him. But he got bored, so he somehow discovered this power. He intentionally put Saki in mortal peril for his own enjoyment. Then he came up with messed up justifications for his actions. He feels cheated by life and doesn't want to face the world believing everyone to be idiots.
He's a sociopathic narcissist who kills innocent people and endangers thousands more for the sheer hell of it, and is totally aware of his actions. That's EVIL.
tocp03 10 months ago
@tocp03
I wouldn't really call his mental illness being evil. He was just doing what he thought was right. Everyone becoming shadows and dumping this reality? Sounds pretty understandable to me.
That said, I don't think it's really justified. He seemed to lose control. Also, there is no evil, every side does what they think is right. Under a different perspective you can assume that what the main characters did was evil since they went against God who knew what humanity truly wished for.
Baelaein 10 months ago
@Baelaein Ahem ;] They went against what God THOUGHT humanity wished for; she was only taking it from a very biased sample, that is, Adachi... probably because he had the strongest, most organized argument xD
LinNeTule 9 months ago
@LinNeTule
What, no. She didn't take the thoughts from Adachi. She took it from the whole of humanity.
The main characters didn't represent humanity as a whole. They represented themselves. But then again, God ended up going "oh alright, I guess it's true" in their case anyway. I guess it's one of those huge plot holes that no one gives a shit about.
Baelaein 9 months ago
The 'good' side didn't question whether Adachi's ideology was right or wrong. They didn't question anything but chose to blindly follow their instincts and feelings. The only response they had to Adachi's thoughts was "you're immature" and "you're selfish.
Baelaein 9 months ago
@Baelaein
Izanami is attempting to understand humanity's desires based on those that she awoke. The very first of which being Adachi.
Adachi's insecurities about not having so called 'talent' and boredom with daily life lead Izanami to believe that humanity just suffers through their lives, that people just want what is easy, and what is easy would be to live their lives as uncaring shadows.
You show her that there are those who are willing to push past what is easy to accept.
DiabloSally 9 months ago
@Baelaein it's because Persona 4 is not about "humanity is pure and awesome" the main characters defeated Izanami, they choose to not let self destructing desires and self imposed deception rule their lifes, they dispelled the fog of self deception... form THEIR world, not THE world but rather their lives and how they live, they themselves say so to Izanami, and thats what it represents, some peopel like this game a lot, without even understanding it.
Keihzaru 7 months ago
@Keihzaru
Yeah. I understand that. I also like Persona a lot.
Was just bickering about things with strangers ^_^
Baelaein 7 months ago
he kinda reminds me of hazama from BlazBlue
enjuy 10 months ago
@enjuy
I bet they're friends.
MsAnimefan95 10 months ago
Lol at the people trying to justify Adachi's twisted logic. Everytime he said something reasonable, he then said something ridiculous like "we should all become shadows". Naoto made the best point, she hit it spot on, the rest of the group were useless in this argument. But Naoto just proved that people like Adachi can't live in society because of that radical thought. There's no justification for almost killing a 6yr old then for him to act like he had no part proves that he is mental.
Tru3Innovator77 10 months ago
And then, Adachi was killed in less than 10 turns. Such is the life in JRPGs.
RandomGuyInTheNet 10 months ago
I don't know, why but Adachi has always reminded me of Matsuda from Death Note-They are both fairly new detectives who are both don't really read the atmosphere and seem somewhat innocent, until a twist at the end of the story. (Trying not to give away spoilers for newer DN fans.)
XSaberMeltdownX 11 months ago
Wow, I kinda agree with Adachi on some stuff.
People in the real world really ARE self-righteous. They all claim to know best, and they think they know what to do. They only call other people out on their crimes, and never really take any blame.
O top of that, everyone complains endlessly about how things are, but few people ever try and change themselves. They just assume it will happen if they all pray or something for long enough.
Makes me cry how easily the good guys ignore all this.
PantheonFefnir 11 months ago 2
Adachi must've been doing something right, because he ended up with a persona of his own.
drstikit 11 months ago
@drstikit he had his own persona because of izanami(the gas station woman you meet at the beginning of the game)
Hollowichigo13 11 months ago
@TheOneWithCatfish We agree on that, the sad state adachi live was don't excuse what he did, but i think at least the team should have tried to counter his arguments, adachi problaly ended like this because on one wanted to hear his problems, then comes the team and do the same :-( If you stop to think, if the protagonist have come ealier to inaba and become adachi friends, maybe everthing would be different.
kamiwoo 1 year ago
ADACHI, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.
LuckyStarFanGuy 1 year ago
Lovely how Adachi's thought out argument and philosophical reasoning was completely ignored. ;__;
Mewlzful 1 year ago
@Mewlzful Well killers often excuse their actions with Angsty bullshit, Religious bullshit, etc etc, adachi is no different from them
Rkiou 1 year ago
"The Ultimate Game Over"
Me: The Ultimate Gam... FUUUUUUUUU
raeson111 1 year ago
@chrisonthepc Maybe i made my point wrong, but is yukiko.
@BluntmanEXE Yes, she did with talent and hard work, but the fact that she was born with a nice body remain, i have a girl in my city that because of a birth defect, have half her face missing, and the rest is malformed, do you think she have the same chances of Rise of becoming a idol ? i have the suspicious feeling that Rise wounl't become a idol if she was born with a malformed body, but that's BS right?
kamiwoo 1 year ago
@TheOneWithCatfish The problem i have with yukiko is that she acts like she never passed by something like this, yeah, she overcame her feelings, but she did that with the help of her friends(even more if you up her s-link), there's nothing to indicate adachi was helped from anyone to make his life better, remener when you are lvling yukiko s-links? she din't wanted to inherit, and she was planning to "run away", just like a kid throwing a tantrum, because she can't have her way.
kamiwoo 1 year ago 2
I'm getting a definate Zero-ish vibe from this scean
bookworm9009 1 year ago
"That" complete BS!" says the girl who was borne with a almost perfect body and can "pussypass" her way in life, hypocrisy....
kamiwoo 1 year ago
@kamiwoo Had you paid attention to Rise's S-Link, you'd know she became an idol by talent and hard work.
BluntmanEXE 1 year ago
"Living is too painful for you, but you don't want do die... Of course no one would understand! it makes no sense! You're just throwing a tantrum like a kid who can't have his way!" really yukiko? i remenber someone who shadow has gone beserk because that person was bored and disapointed with her life, who considered her own life whortless, but even so din't want to die, who was that, i can't remenber...
kamiwoo 1 year ago 2
@kamiwoo Yosuke?:P
chrisonthepc 1 year ago
adachi is a hero to us all
Pigziggy 1 year ago 3
@Pigziggy yes, heroes almost allow 6yr olds to die, and smile in your face like they're ur friend afterwards
Tru3Innovator77 10 months ago
the creators of this game were too cheap to give adachi a real shadow XD
SuperHinger 1 year ago
adachi just push not stab , not fry , not kill them , its shadow that kill them , hehehehehe
galgalimeyes91 1 year ago
I'm totally with adachi on this one he speaks the truth man the total truth but....he is ignored -.-
LuluKoizumi 1 year ago
Wow...they're acting like dicks. Something I always thought, it's almost like their scared to even remotely agree with him...throwing insults to hide that they somewhat agree with some of the things he says...
waj9876 1 year ago 7
@waj9876 Would you kindly discuss with someone who killed one of your friends and attempted to kill you ? I mean ... Adachi raised some good points but half of them ARE BS. "I didn't kill them", yeah, you just pushed Saki knowing Yamano died. It's like pushing someone who can't swin into the water.
"Talent" ? What about hard work ? No more pain ? Yup, but no more joy. "Everybody want this ?" How does he know that ? This guy is just a lazy weirdo with a twisted logic.
Even if I kinda like him xD
kenzouilli 1 year ago 37
@kenzouilli That comment was before I played the true ending...and boy was I surprised...though now what he did seems less his fault. XD Souji was epic in that.
He kinda didn't kill them both. The first was obviously an accident, though the second one yeah. He's only murdered one person, and accidentally killed the other.
I think that...how can I say this without spoiling...well... he was slightly influenced by the world itself, more specifically Ameno, who is everywhere at once.
waj9876 1 year ago
@waj9876 Yes, Yamano was an accident. But ... it's kinda shocking how he pushed Saki before shouting her something like "you'll die here, lololollol" through the TV.
The same way, he duped Namatame just because he was bored and it'd be fun. Yeah, best reason ever x) It's why we can't accept most of what he said, he's just blabbering nonsense in order to justify all the shit he made.
I agree though he was partly influenced, it's not fully his fault.
kenzouilli 1 year ago 7
@kenzouilli The first comment I left was more about that they seemed to just insult him when he brought up a good point, and they even contemplate killing Namatame, remember?
waj9876 1 year ago
@waj9876 Yes, you're partly right. But, as I said, I seriously doubt you'd discuss with someone like that, someone who did such things, so I understand why they can't stay calm and argue.
kenzouilli 1 year ago 20
@kenzouilli
Honestly, I don't think he's really denying it. He knows who he killed and why he killed them, his tone sounds more condescending and provocative than actually seriously discussing his intent with a group of teenagers.
Except for the whole 'transform the world' business. Was totally serious there.
And I actually find his perspective more agreeable than the "We hate this person, let's punish him" self-righteous approach by the 'good' characters.
Baelaein 11 months ago
@kenzouilli
Though, I don't actually agree that killing everyone alive is the right way to go.
Then again, I wouldn't kill someone to save a thousand someones, so fuck my retarded beliefs.
Baelaein 11 months ago
@kenzouilli But it isn't pushing a person who can't swim into the water.
sandriser99 6 months ago
im with adachi
BlackwingFirestorm 1 year ago
@BlackwingFirestorm I'm with the denying kids, cause they're cool ! xD
kenzouilli 1 year ago
lol Chie
no YOURE the plague
Kaleidxx 1 year ago
ever after watching this i don't belive Adachi did
BioShadowTh666 1 year ago
I like how Chie is shocked to find out that cops are mostly sadistic assholes. What a naive cunt
Jmerzio 1 year ago
I'm quite disappointed at the choices you get to make in the game, dialogues that are mainly one-sided. But hey, can't imagine this game being as popular if you actually sided with Adachi and started reaping everything you see.
Baelaein 1 year ago
@Baelaein
yeah a game where you have almost full control over the course of the plot would be interesting, however such a title would likely have a heavy price tag cause its gonna take several discs to cram all that in. as usual with most games the majority of your choices just add 1 or 2 extra lines of dialogue. though ive gotten used to that, probably the closest game ive seen that gives you many dialogue options is steambot chronicles but that game ends up being kinda linear anyway.
anewfuture 1 year ago
@anewfuture
steambot chronicles, eh?
might have to check that out, thanks.
Baelaein 1 year ago
Whats the song that plays in the backround?
AdmiralBobbery123 1 year ago
@AdmiralBobbery123 Who's There? is the song
piledriver45 1 year ago
@AdmiralBobbery123 the battle song is ''A new world Fool''
Walterion 1 year ago
@AdmiralBobbery123 Who's there?
I think it's on the Persona Soundtrack.
TheFlyingCaterpillar 1 year ago
Adachi may have had a point in his argument.
But in the end he was selfish and was the equivalent of a 6 year old ripping off the legs of spiders because he can.
XPDGladnor 1 year ago 4
@XPDGladnor
To be fair, having a superiority complex, an intolerant mindset AND then discovering you have supernatural powers?
Can't see him not going insane with power.
Baelaein 1 year ago
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XPDGladnor 1 year ago
adachi=iago shakespeeare ?
pakapata 1 year ago
To all the people who support Adachi's reasoning I would have to say this: It is not as well thought out as you may think. The first problem is, as he stated himself, is that he is trying to generalize society based on his own perspective. The issue with that is that he is one out of billions of people. He is ignoring the people out there in the world who are living out genuinely happy lives whether or not it turned out the way they hoped it would.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
While it is true that life can does have its dull moments, it doesn't mean that you cannot do something to change that. While it would seem like the world is placing restrictions on you, it is really yourself that is holding you back. If I had a job that I didn't like I would try to explore other options or see if I could find similar work under a different employer.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
Adachi became a cop for "the fun and a gun" and didn't get much out of it. Rather than reconsidering his choice to become a cop he let himself get boxed in. This combined with his mindset on life makes him a danger to himself and everyone around him...
Now that I think about I wonder if there is more to the so called "tiny mistake" than he lets on. I mean I'm no cop, but I would think that it take something major to be transferred from one station to another.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
The second issue that I have is how he tries to foster off blame for the murders on the midnight channel which reacting to people's feelings. That's would be like if I said that it's not my fault that someone died if I threw them into a pit of hungry lions. Adachi knew full well what would happen to second victim after the first corpse turned up. That he showed no actual remorse in either case and then manipulated Namatame paints him as heartless bastard who should be shot, several times.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
There's my argument against Adachi's outlook on life. If anyone has anything to say for or against feel free to do so, I wouldn't mind a little further discussion at all.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil Yes, even though I think that the midnight channel is unpredictable and who knows. He did in fact wanted the second victem to die. After all he said himself "liked I ever walk into a deathtrap like that".
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil I'm going to agree with you on this. Let's face it, he didn't think it through hard enough. Thought it was all fun and games. Then fell way far down. Plus I don't think he's the type to work that hard anywho.
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil Its a little of both. While its easier to say to others a change of attitude is all you need. I think its an over-simplification. People step on others or "survival of the fittest".
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil Sorry, but your arguement seems a bit assuming to me. Adachi mentioned accept or deny. Maybe those people knew they weren't going anywhere anymore so they decided to accept it. Even still that doesn't neccesarily means they're happy. I think the major problem is face value when it comes to supposed happiness.
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@Zacksmilenify I think I see where you would get the idea that I making an assumption, however Adachi himself actually at 4:10 he said himself that he was telling the team that his argument is based on his own experiences in life. Wouldn't you say that his argument is bit assuming as well. It does not seem to me as if he has spoken to anyone else about this and probably came to the conclusion that if his life sucked than that no one else was really happy with their lives as well.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil Yes, its about finding a balance. Besides if anything I think Adachi is dissatisfied with life in general and so are a lot of people. I'm saying Adachi is right, but the misanthropic sublties shouldn't be disregarded.
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@Zacksmilenify * isn't right, sorry typos
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@Zacksmilenify I'm not disregarding Adachi's general argument or any of the separate points behind it, in fact I would say that in some cases he is right; there are people out there who have had an unfortunate life and would agree with him. However, you can't disregard that there are people who have turned out rather well and disagree with Adachi.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil Exactly what I mean. Its all subjective, to ourselves. Not to mention seen through our own perspective. I wouldn't say Adachi is entirely wrong either. But like you yourself stated happiness is too abstract for any real generalization. So we really can't say objectively they turned out happy, dissatisfied, or have lost (or gained) passion in it. So, I'll think we could leave it at that? Really nice, discussing this, alleviates boredom.
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@Zacksmilenify I am not sure I can agree with you on the subject on supposed happiness. I won't say that you're wrong because for all I know people could in fact be feigning happiness to hide the fact that they are not satisfied with their lives. However you can't deny that as many people as there are in this world, that there are some people who actually are satisfied with their lives despite it going in a different direction than they had planned for.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil Happiness doesn't entail nesscarily eternal satifaction. One can achieve "happiness". Then with time slowly lose the passion they once had for it. They're fewer who achieve peace of mind with their happiness. Its a matter of time and sheer will power to NOT end up like Adachi.
Zacksmilenify 1 year ago
@Zacksmilenify I don't think that "happiness" can be defined as something that you can discover and lose a passion for; happiness can mean something completely different from one person to the next, therefore being too abstract to be worded in clear-cut terms.
Also as we are not given any idea as to what Adachi's life was like up until this point, neither of us can really say what caused him to turn the way he is or how to prevent such circumstances from happening to others.
KaizarDevil 1 year ago
@KaizarDevil I wondered that too. Was he born a sociopath or was there some crap in his childhood that made it that way?
YaoiHuntressEarth 1 year ago
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God damn it...
I'll never unsee... er, unthink that.
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thecroyo 1 year ago
"I did that stuff cause I could, and it got interesting, so I watched..." best excuse EVER! XD He did it for teh evulz.
Zellig 1 year ago
OMG this is just like scooby doo! Chie even looks like Velma
Mana949 1 year ago
@Mana949 I'm guessing Daphne is Yukiko.
AngelDrive9 1 year ago
The mc is a given, haha. Most people know that; but hardly anyone seems to notice the ichigo connection
theherolost0237 1 year ago
Btw, Adachi and Ichigo Kurosaki have the same English voice actor. For anyone who didn't know :P
theherolost0237 1 year ago
@theherolost0237 Adachi,Ichigo, and the MC.
yellowtailXD 1 year ago
Anyone else think that the whole mankind turning into shadows thing may be connected to The Fall from the previous game? Like...Izanami, Nyx being connected?
Not to mention Nyarlathotep from Persona 2 also trying to end the world because humans apparently want it that way...
VaatiOfDarkness 1 year ago
Even as a dangerous monster, Adachi is STILL intoxicated.
Pcfan11 1 year ago
i thought Adachi persona was izanami.....
busterlance 1 year ago
Adachi is pretty amazing and honest.
chocho999 1 year ago 10
"you're the plague!" lol, Chie, what are we, in grade school?
Not to just echo everyone else's thoughts, but I too agreed with Adachi, everyone else's arguments against him didn't have any merit, Naoto said some kinda interesting counterpoints but in the end, I still feel like Adachi is right. Maybe he's going about it the wrong way, lol, but it doesn't make what he said any less valid.
Haha, Souji is the only one not saying dumb things because he never says anything, lol.
StaticGirl22 1 year ago 13
The Team is just great at debating, aren't they?
Adachi: "Here is the philosophical arguments behind my actions."
Others: "You are wrong because you are stupid and evil and we hate you and we're heroes. So yeah."
sega31098 1 year ago 57
Lol. I like Adachi's reason for joining th police: To legally carry a gun.
KetsuRosataMalnor 1 year ago 13
adachi said: " All I did was puting people in here. It's this world that really kills them..." that's the same as using a gun to kill someone!
"it's the gun that really kills them..." BUT YOU PULL THE TRIGER!! he used that world as a weapon! and bleame the "weapon" is one of the most stupids things I ever heard!
SimonDante007 1 year ago
@SimonDante007 I think the point is that when he first did it it was a total surprise and he didn't really know what was going to happen to them. After that, though, yeah. Still thuogh, it's ultimately not adachi doing it. After all, he's able to go in without a problem. If other people die, it's because of the way they are different than him, not because he commanded the tv to do it.
Zellig 1 year ago
Adachi's a fucking evil genius.
Vampryss42 1 year ago 21
It kind of annoyed me that Adachi's well thought out and very true argument was just ignored.
MichaelGrant14 2 years ago 103
@MichaelGrant14 i could understand why. to them his arguement was an exucse in their perspective
namcox21 1 year ago
@MichaelGrant14 so if we all believe life is unfair, it's ok for us to commit crimes??
Tru3Innovator77 10 months ago
Yuri Lowenthal did wonderful voice acting in this one, as Yosuke. :)
TheMsNekomata 2 years ago 4
i wish this was more like growlancer 2 where at the end you got a choice whether to fight with or against the 'bad guy'. seriously. what doess everyone have to be scared of when everyone's a shadow?
badflamer 2 years ago
i agree with adachi he is right
Vayne54 2 years ago 10
I gotta admit 2 things
1. The stuff Adachi said I actually agree with it
2. These " stupid teenagers" no how 2 piss some1 off
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erosannin22 2 years ago
will there be P5??
hehe...if there was i was looking forward to it...but i did't even finished playing P4, i already see the ending...its kinda not fun...but then i just wanted to knw who's the killer...i just can't believe it was adachi!
judylee13141 2 years ago
@judylee13141
They said they will make a P5 if Persona 4 was popular, I've heard rumours about Persona 5.
TohruAdachiSan 2 years ago
keep bringing up the rumors and u no what will happen *coughmidnightchannelcough*
RomHunterBlueSilver 2 years ago
hoho lol I love the plot of P4 to be honest^^ what Adachi doesn't know that there is another spectator besides him and this one is the true one^^ even Adachi is no more than a puppet being pulled by someone's strings. this pot is very well put together and worked out the player doesn't even know that is they get the true ending or no just by putting Adachi unless they are either very clever or had a guide to help them^^ choose one option wrong and it's game over ATLUS and geniuses!!
AlkaidHydra 2 years ago 4
"are" geniuses
AlkaidHydra 2 years ago
Adachi's voiced by Johnny Bosch, who did a lot of anime roles. Lelouch from Code Geass and Matsuda from Death Note are examples.
TommyTheChaos 2 years ago
Rise : This'll probably be our last battle! Lets hit him with everything weve got!"
Probably.. Yeah :))
SilEntNiGHtPhanTom 2 years ago
bored shitless... gee
OblivionKnight457 2 years ago
did anyone of u know that the voice of the main caracter n adachi r the same
LiBRa473 2 years ago
Adachi = Matusda from Death Note
AppleO0o0o 2 years ago 8
'Cept Adachi is coolio-er. ;D
GracefulNocturne 2 years ago 4
And the voice is similar to Lelouch.
1aundulxaldin 2 years ago
Same VA, Johnny Yong Bosch. Also did Vash the Stampede and was the second American Black Ranger. Oh, and Ichigo.
gldni17 2 years ago
That's what I thought too! XD
xLordxcheeriox 2 years ago
Yea he reminds me of him but he evil!
RoarkyRaw 2 years ago
Wh-what?!?! Seriously? Tch wow, so Bosch went from bumbling heroic detective to bumbling evil mastermind detective XD
WeirdKanjiGirl 2 years ago 7
No Matsuda isn't insane and he's a sweetie pie.
Queena009 2 years ago 2
Matsuda killed several innocents, and he slapped his brother once.
AppleO0o0o 2 years ago
Oh wait. LOL I'm thinking DN. XD
Queena009 2 years ago