UpTake Op/Ed-Obama And Lincoln

[JagdtygerII]

I should hope that Obama does not want another Civil War.

But if you can believe some of the Fringe Element, that is what is being deliberately formented through global economic collapse

All I know is that since 2007 25% of American Jobs went overseas and you cannot borrow your way out of debt

Anyone who wants to correct the problem needs to get Americans back to work. It has always been bad economic hard times which precipitate revolutions and Civil Wars

[RooferHoofer]

The stimulus package -- will it work? Well its not a time machine that can undo the crazy azz real estate bubble.

It can't undo our economic bullshit since Reagan of punishing actual work, and rewarding credit swaps naked shorts, leverage buy outs, and unearned income.

Obama could have just let it all fall, the banks, wall street, the car companies, let it all fall, to 50% unemployment and chaos.

Maybe that would make you happy. Oh wait, you would biotch more.

[RooferHoofer]

I knew GOPS who were fucking estatic over the 15% interest they were getting on CDS under Carter.

And high intereset rates are what you fucking need to stop inflation idiot. Carter had the balls to allow them to rise idiot.

[RooferHoofer]

chry idiot.

The double digit inflation under Carter, dummb fuck, was NEEDED to stop the fucking run away inflation during Ford and Nixon idiot.

Remember Nixons price controls? Remember Fords WIN (whip inflation now)

Besides that dumb fuck -- GOPS loved high interest rates then idiot -- guess who fucking got the MONEY? The money from CDS and investments? The fucking rich got it dumb ass - they LOVED it then idiot.

So learn some fucking real history and real economics.

[chrycohauler]

the stimulus can't possibly work in the long run..there will be a short term recovery followed by double digit inflation the likes of which we saw with Jimmy Carter..the only real answer is to lower taxes on everyone ..business and individuals...let us keep what we earn and WE will stimulate the economy..and i know that alot of liberals are going to moan when i say this...REAGAN proved it..He lowered taxes and revenues to the gov't doubled and 22 million jobs were created..all the proof you need

[DONEwCA]

Obama is hiring Muslims instead of 45 American resume submitted !

"Obama seeks Muslims for White House posts."

see: worldnetdaily - March 29, 2009

"Barack Obama is conducting his own affirmative action program to get more Muslims in the White House."

GOD CAN ONLY HELP AMERICA NOW.

I'm buying my own gun.

Between the terrorists and Mexican illegals, I will never be safe in America again.

We are taking care of people who want to kill white people.

[talon660]

Why must your "god" be the only help we can get for our troubles? What has this imaginary figure every really done? It's an excuse for you not to get off your ass and help America get on the right track and throw out the traitors. So quit balling and DO SOMETHING. That's the American thing to do, unfortunately very, very few people ever do. They just talk shit.

[jimmynjdevils]

you are just as stupid and extreme as the taliban

[JohnnyBB82]

I wonder if you know how ridiculous you make yourself look, typing these outrageously xenophobic diatribes against Muslims? WorldNetDaily is a conservative (I.E. propaganda) website, that will only post things that make Obama look bad, or themselves and the Republican party look good.

[michaelmachar]

You guys are stupid.you want war why dont u go to Iraq? You pussy lil dude fuck all off u motherfuckers try.

[procommenter]

Gen. U.S. Grant's family held slaves throughout Lincoln's War. Negro slavery was highly profitable to African kinglets & chieftains who gleefully sold their brethren into bondage.

[Vadornleather]

the stimulus will work in the sense obama intends, If I wanted to break the backs of Americans and cause them to seek a government nanny I would start with false promises huge spending upon huge spending bill, call unhappy people with enough brains to say "hey wait a minute" internal terrorist and use that fear created to make a "security force" of disciplined youth to watch the streets at night check papers etc... you get the idea , the stimulus is working great

ps buy ammo and dry food

[EllaChase]

We all know the talk of the certain states going sovereign, but it's not a break from the union, it's a break from the Federal government, they aren't going to stop calling theirselves Americans, they stop letting 'big brother' from deciding how they should run things. Different strokes for different folks, different rates, for different states. Everyone requires something a little different, but that doesn't mean we are all for one country. Difference and the accepting of it, is the US.

[EllaChase]

because in order to force this sort of power they would have to use military force along with police. And we will not let some ragtag, bumbling group of politicians convince us that we must fight our own people in order to 'help' them. What needs to happen is that states need to stand up and give a big 'fuck you to the Federal government, and the people, including the soldiers will follow.

[EllaChase]

For all the Civil war theorists, listen up.

I"m in the the military and I will tell you right now, it will NEVER happen. If you think that us soldiers will fight against our own people your are f'n crazy, if this 'war' happens it will happen on paper. This splitting of the country is a pussies way out, and you all know it. Giving up on the United States isn't the answer, All it will take is the heads of states to simply deny the fed governent their power. .........

[bigc028282]

when will that ever happen? these assholes steal elections, pass a patriot act, tax us to death, and misappropriate the money. now that the economy is crap, the states need the federal fake dollar even more. as you say, i wouldn't, but there are alot of believers and idiots out there who may participate in furthering a police state. when that happens, who knows what will happen in the service. Semper Fi

[Dymnas]

Argentinia?

[Luigi84289]

way things look, civil war looks inevitable unless the fed. releases much of it's power back to the states, iit's rightful owners.

[RationalPrejudice]

We should, imho, send our "stimulus" checks back to President Obama certified mail with a nice note saying "you need this money more than I do -- and I suggest you go back and take a couple of courses in Economics 101 and pay special attention to the parts about consumer psychology and socialistic tendencies of a power-hungry government. But, of course, he knows exactly what he is doing BECAUSE he knows about these things well. Be on guard America -- the fleecing is about to begin.

[clokverkorange]

Personally I'd hate to see a civil war in the US any time before the last Harry Potter movie comes out. After that, it's whatever.

[JeNaaitUtSteeds]

eeh and the end of Lost, 24 and Prison break. But then, totally, yeah.

[clokverkorange]

OOH yeah Lost. No war before Lost gets explained. Then, whatever.

[sirusdestiny]

Get a shave and where the fuck were u for the past 8 years when everything went wrong,

[Ininternet]

Fuck him tpm and fox

[codediporpal]

Ah yes this is the one. Sound a lot like Glen Beck or Alex Jones, really.

Igor Panarin? Give me a break. Seriously. Unless you don't want to be taken seriously.

[loclynn]

shut the fk up a-ss-ho-le

[MusaJames]

First don't blame Obama. He works for the same team that Bush does. Change?? There is no such thing

[entropyfu]

This guy is an idiot. Is he coked up?

[fista10000]

Mr. Barack Obama is the best the USA, indeed, the world has seen in a while. He (Mr. Barack Obama) has closed the chasm among peoples and nations. He is such a calm and confident figure.

[jjaaee]

No, it wont work. How can you spend you way out of a financial problem.

[JeNaaitUtSteeds]

Coz if you spend & buy stuff, producers will start to produce & hire more workers, who then will have more money to ... SPEND! (GASP!) on more & more products. When everybody is scared & is waiting for everybody else to make the first spending move, it's up to the Govt to spend. Bush fucked up coz he spend our money on useless things which ARE NOT PRODUCING ANYTHING. This is economy 101. Which is, I admit, hard to grasp for morons like you. YOU are NOT like a govt, nor are your spending ways.

[jjaaee]

Yeah, I liked the other stimulus package, LOL!

You're an idiot.

[JeNaaitUtSteeds]

The other stimulus package? You mean, the one that pushed this country into an economic depression? Jeeeez, repubs are sooooooo stupid.

[scottaber]

argentinia?

[JeNaaitUtSteeds]

@scotttaber:

Yes Argentinia!!!! Because 2008 America is completely like 1970's Argentinia in every possible way. Or 1860s America. So OF COURSE we gonna get a civil war!!

[bellier]

I don't like this new style. What happened?

[xforce80]

What I don't understand is how the Dems complained last year that we were going broke because of Iraq and the deficit with China and now somehow we have over 1 trillion dollars to throw around??? Welcome to the United Socialist States of America, comrades!

[JeNaaitUtSteeds]

We don't expect you to understand, because you're stupid. Here's my hail mary attempt to explain it to you:

BECAUSE BUSH SPEND MY MONEY ON HIS CRONIES & NOT ON PRODUCIING ANYTHING WORTH WHILE, LIKE ROADS, BRIDGES AND BREATABLE AIR!!!!!

Oh wait I know: let's put bush back (or McLost08, same diff) so we can pollute the air and lakes some more, and then make tons of money via the cleaning industry!!! Yah! We'll have to do it with even more Mexicans & Chinese, because locals will all be poisoned

[xforce80]

I'm stupid? Nice to hear your opinion without knowing who I am or anything about me.

So, can someone can explain how the Dems were crying about being 1 trillion in debt last year, how they got 1 trillion for bailouts this year? Oh, that's right. B.O. is going to start cutting the budget begining with Medicare, education loans, social security... Watch, people got "Had". But don't drill for oil here, even though foreign oil funds terrorists and we can be clean about it. Cost of hybrids too high

[tangeuray]

Mccain was all over them bailouts too.. Dont forget the Bailouts have had bipartisan support all along just like the Visa Telecom Immunity bill or war funding....

[xforce80]

No, there was only 3 Republicans who voted for the trillion dollar bailout. McCain was not one of them. It still doesn't make any difference any way. Where is the trillion dollars coming from if we're over a trillion dollars in debt? You can't create more money out of thin air. People have gone totally stupid over this one. ACORN got 5 million. HOW?? The abortion industry got 30 million. HOW?? It makes NO SENSE! Your explanation says nothing.

[tangeuray]

you must be talking about the Trillion dollar Stimulus package..Go back and look at Repub support for the Bank Bailout...Mccain even took time of the Campaign to "get er done".Congress was threatened with Martial Law if the Bank Bailout was not passed... but good job paying attention.

[xforce80]

I don't think you get it. The DEMS complained that last year there was no money and we were in debt up to our eyebrows. NOW they are on a spending frenzy that has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy. THAT'S the point I am raising. Good job to you on avoiding the point I am making.

[tangeuray]

Well I guess I must confess I am no fan of the Democrats either. I stand with Ron Paul on these topics.Both repubs and dems are out of line to me. I see them as 2 sides of the same coin.

[xforce80]

I like him too and it's good that the GOP is taking him more seriously. I like Alan Keyes & Huc also. What nobosy is thinking about is that just "printing" more money doesn't help the economy. It's also funny that Vlad Putin warned US politicians about creating a system that already failed under the USSR. The type of "change" that's being engaged in isn't good at all.

[msway0603]

no.

[edd9166547401]

The great dust bowl the government us the US tax payer helped them out of a jam the problem is we are still helping them out even when they dont need it and how do they pay the US tax payer back by not giving jobs to US citizens.

[edd9166547401]

US is that look at people living in AL or NC look at these people they still think we need slaves to do the hard work for us instead of paying people to work they rather have well I hope you got the picture. Look south this time we are going to kill you all.

[Umbreona]

The bill is a minor patch at best. It CANNOT fix the economy as it does not create any real lasting jobs or demand for products. However, it does seem that it was not even designed to be the cure just a shot in the arm until the administration can figure out how to actually solve the problems...har-har... However Obama did not even NEED to make such a big deal about all this, I think it is safe to say it would have passed without question no matter what was in it.

[everEbody]

Does anybody know what thegas4free.blogspot,com is that Obama has been talking about?

[AyeWeCan]

Interesting report

What do I think? Im in Scotland and am now seeing the fallout from the big and bold bank buyout the UK government unveiled in October a world leader, the way ahead we were spun - "brilliant, al the world admires our Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama wants to meet him we were told,

[AyeWeCan]

Now? - a shambles - banks bailed out for billions, but no new credit. The share price value of the bail out shares bought by the UK government on behalf of taxpayers, now worth about a third of what we paid for. Yet the bankers still paying themselves bonuses and even the disgraced ones waking away with payoffs and protected pensions whit their victims get little or nothing - except a higher tax bill to pay for the bankers who have put them there

[AyeWeCan]

I just hope Obamas package , which I ant studied in any detail ,is smarter and more robust.

And irrespective of its details, these bankers and Wall Street people desereve nothing - some should even symbolical be allowed to go bust, cease to be, jailed humiliated, deported even. Only them I reckon will true patriots ( in any country) rally round and help make any recovery plan work

[AyeWeCan]

But look to Britain if you want to see how not to do it - we are almost bust, and our PM Gordon Brown has gone from bailout hero to bankrupt zero if a matter of weeks

The world needs Obama too much for him to repeat Browns tragic and mega expensive errors

[TainaAtheist1]

Unless you missed something on 9/11/2001, the goal of the attack was to hurt the heart of the world's financial sector. This wasn't a secret. This economic crisis is no coincidence.

Anyone who knows human nature knows that when you attack a home, that home spends more to lick its pride. That's what Americans, who are primarily Christian, did. Greed. They know us better than we know ourselves.

.

[Robfenix]

What he said was very far from "get on board or you are not patriotic." He was saying "get on board or the damage will last longer and people will have time to do things like replace the dollar with the Euro and the U.S. will never regain its economic power.

[JobDDT]

Looks like Veracifer/TPM hasn't decided to shitcan this smug douche yet.

[kalane]

you took the words right out of my mouth

[bignastypooh88]

Damn, I been thinking the same thing.  This bill gives the president a dictatorship to almost 800 billion dollars.

Also, I really want to create lynch mobs to take out these CEO's, Stock Holder, and lobbyist our (banks & Peanut Butter CO. of America). They forgot to care about the consumer when selling their products benefits. A simple jail time is not justice, only retaliation.

[beerasaurus]

Your saying this recession will lead to....riots and civil war?

[bernlin2000]

Weak comparison to the Patriot Act: it's obnoxious to draw comparisons to Bush: if you don't think that we need stimulus now, then you're completely unaware of the situation. The conspiracy theories don't help.

[ronnieblaze3000]

The comparison to the Patriot Act is dead-on and he's not the first to say it. It is similar and possibly even worse.

How can anyone even try to defend an 1,100 page bill being given to Congress (by lobbyists) on the night before it's being voted on? So anyone who questions that is a conspiracy theorist? I guess we should always just believe that the president, the lobbyists and the banks always want what's best for us. Give me a friggin break.

[shanepatrickfagan]

Well fingers crossed that it will

[rollsthepaul]

Whoopee, this is so much fun. We're living in interesting times; sort of like a soap opera, on steroids.

[ladyjade3]

Will it work? Undoubtedely yes. It will do exactly what it was designed to do - enrich special interests and consolidate government power.

[ShalomYal]

A bit too much hyperbole and propaganda in this bit for me. Of course this means there is a bit of truth in it -- But lets be fair -- economic unrest leads to greater sectarianism and greater destabilization -- non of which I am interested in. The last time this happened 6 million of my people were gassed and burned!!!!!!!!

[craftyrobot]

Interesting thoughts.

[ethanbrand]

will it work? It will do what the authors intended it to do. But it will not make America the land of milk and honey. It will hurt our economy.

[MadDogOfist]

I don't think anyone would look to invite comparisons with Lincoln unless they were in a massively difficult position.

Otherwise a president wouldn't need the religious-like faith americans have in Lincoln. Obama needs that faith to sell some pretty sour medicine. He could end up looking arrogant, naive or 'uppity'.

Of course the stim wouldn't be called for if it not to protect american interests. That's what government's supposed to be about; but patriotism isn't its sole justification.

[MrMP81]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't is basically what it is.

That is why major respected investors are ditching the dollar and buying up Gold -=/

I wouldn't be surprised if * Knocks on wood * A civil war does break out.

There is a reason why Obama & Rahm both preached for a Civil national army before getting their positions.

[Live2Excel]

I'm not sure how I subscribed to this channel...perhaps I thought of it as more of what our President seems to already know, unlike his predecessor,a disagreement, without being disagreeable is healthy. In an interest of full disclosure, I am a fervent Obama supporter but equating the Stimulus Package with a possibly criminal act that potential stripped thousand of Americans of their Civil Rights is absurd in my book.

[MrMP81]

With the stimulus package = leads to more civil unrest = working harder for less = prices raising, rights getting stripped away ( or choices ) which is in turn, similiar when you break it down really.

No, Obama isn't like Lincoln because Lincoln did far worse but Obama still has a few more years so we'll see.

I see him as a Lennin, you might not like it but take me on that if you'd like and i'll break it down for you -=/

[MooseOfReason]

AAAAHHHH FUCK!

[FriedDaisy]

There's a saying that goes, "If you borrow a hundred bucks, the bank owns you, but if you borrow a hundred million, you own the bank . . ." Could that be logic underlying the Obama Admin's plan? If we borrow trillions we will own the banksters?

[MrMP81]

I will bet you those economists are " Status quo " keynsians who don't look to real economics.

I have over 300+ that I can present to you who oppose this.

As for the 1930's we went into a " Depression " instead of having a recession for the exact same things Obama is doing, more programs and jobs, yes, govt. jobs.

Remember, the Govt. produces nothing so they can't give anything, just shift money around.

[PreetSG]

BRING BACK JOSH! You suck!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrMP81]

It's really more of simple common sense when you look at it.

When an individual is in debt, what do you do? Cut back the spending, save your money until' you get out of debt.

Spending money to get out of debt that you got into by " Spending too much " is like me telling you " Throw gasoline on the fire, it will shut off eventually "

[politicalfarce]

I don't buy it. Intellectually weak.

[HomoGeneyes]

28TH COMMENT FEBRUARY 20, 2009

00:9:11 GMT

Lesson From a Crisis: When Trust Vanishes, Worry.

FEED THE PIG THIS WEEK

NO NEED to BUY ANYTHING THIS WEEK

or the NEXT.

GENERATION NEXT.... MAKE US PROUD, LOLZ

[zndprophet]

See, "throwing them all out" is just so vague, and aimless-you throw them all out. okay. then who do you put back IN? Perfect human beings?

Why dont we go directly after corporate executives for once, instead of beating around the bush with politicians.

I don't know, we should do more than that, but what people would do would be stupid, and would just lead us deeper into sludge, which is what I honestly think a lot of people want. I dont.

[drlarrymitchell]

The economic crisis IS terrorism, and will foment much more terrorism than is currently being acknowledged.

[mikebee02]

The dollar is actually doing relatively well right now, and considering other countries are taking harder hits... might be a bad move.

[princehumperdinck]

Don't spew fallacious Republican talking points.

[sugarpuddin88]

Prince - care to let me know "precisely" what I wrote that you disagree with?

I will msg you the citations to any quote I give - But you have to be specific with your disagreement

Or is it you are too weak-minded to accept that your government does not have your back?

[ZinayH]

This sucks for us!

These people that have messed up their corrupted system are having crucial consequences for their negative actions!

Great show!

[WKaliber1]

The parents of the offspring are also its

creators as well as owners, and so they should be able to decide whats

best for it without the interference of the government.

[dylanzwick]

To the best of my knowledge congress decides when it votes on matters, not the President. If you've got a problem with when they voted, bring up your concerns to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

[thermalfreek]

I think theirs going to be a civil war, the question is who against who?

[PersonalJesus348]

Revolution! Revolution! what will they do to me?

[Kapan60]

The stimulus package will not work. You can't spend your way out of debt or into prosperity. It will be a temporary fix that creates a bigger and broader problem for our economy.

We've been sold out just like the ciitzens in Argentina.

[KosmicCitizen]

Uh oh, you didn't just rain on the parade, did you? :-)

Good points, good vid.

[banion5]

I think this is ridiculous. We've definitely been taken for a ride, but comparing Bush to Obama in their respective championing of PATRIOT vs. Stimulus is wildly overstated. I don't agree that the stimulus is the best or only answer, but Obama saying that we'll be in a tough financial condition without it is nothing close to Bush saying we'd all die if we didn't let him do whatever he wanted, including revoking our constitutional rights. Ease up, man.

[Kapan60]

Didn't Obama also state the American public would have 5 days to read the bill and yet it wasn't even provided to our legislators until midnight?

[bigmoney714]

Awesome Video! Babylon is Falling

[Realizalize]

for the terror threat,

i ask myself,

what is happening in my generation.

a good indicator is , how much you were made to believe when younger. robin hood, braveheart,posse, silverado ......

[volumedealer1]

Um yeah we do need to throw the criminals out of power....duh

They fail again on promises they make.

Criminals

[xlioilx]

this is just like drinking with bob and I hate that dumb show

[sachaput]

Guess I'm the only one who finds this 'in your face' style annoying. It's difficult to listen to his points (valid or not) with him poking his face in the camera.

It's too annoying so time to unsubscribe.

Still love TPM though.

[ewrh78]

you'r making a good point

very interesting arguments BUT the presentation is distracting and (sorry to say that) fear-monger-style.

[mikebee02]

Word. Shit's weak. Either the presentation style needs to go, the op-eds need to go, or subscribers will go.

[darbeau1]

An academic note: Trainer points out economic upheaval on a global level does have an effect of security. People unable to feed and house themselves start looking toward neighboring countries/assets and think about seizing them. The Pentagon has a strategic section to analyze situations like this. They also have looked at the effects of climate destabilization on US national security.

Do I like what the US is doing on domestic and foreign fronts - not all of it, nor do I take a stand. Good job!

[nospacesallowed]

I think the stimulus package will work, only Obama's plan for helping out the housing markets works. Say by taking some of the poisonous loans and refinancing them into lower rates, sure you will lose 20% of the value, but they will no longer by poisonous. I think the combination of these plans gives hope.

[marniespeaks]

eat the rich!

[amfanman]

It's more than just the politicians. It's the CFR, Bilderberg Group, World Bank, Illuminati, etc., etc. Much more than just an American issue; it's European, as well.

[f30000000000000]

Stimulus bill another bailout...welcome to communism, this has nothing to do with laissez-faire market econ.

[MichaelForian]

Definitely one of the best videos I've seen all week. Very informative.

[NeverEnoughBall]

spending might help somewhat but it will drastically devalue the dollar and this will make it so Americans will struggle even more to believe that they are number one. the vast money being spent is simply being printed. devaluing th dollar and pushing the debt further and it is a debt that cannot be paid... in short

it might help for a little while in the production of jobs, but once the value of the dollar plummets who knows what will occur

[alex3914]

5 stars!!

[silversalvo]

"Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class."

-Al Capone

[thepenguin114]

Interesting.