Actual arguments: creationist:Soda cans have designers, just like houses. Bannanas have a designer, just like soda cans. The human body has a designer, just like bannanas, and the Bible says this.humanist: We don't expect that everything came from magic. We expect that everything came from natural causes. Babies do not come from the stork, they come from the womb of the mother. Gravity does not come from God, just like babies. The universe did not come from God, just like babies and gravity.
Sides are always misrepresenting eachother. creationist: Atheists believe that everything came from an explosion out of nothing which began evolving towards intelligence, because a science book says so. humanist: Creationists believe that a magical sky daddy magically created everything in 6 days based on the say so of a 2000 year old book, and 2000 year old books are always right.
if those punches had actually correlated to the weight of the arguments being launched, then the so-called "knock out" punch wouldn't have phased my ten year old cousin. And to say that atheists make themselves gods is a stretch when all an atheist really does is try to reason with the world around them to reach a conclusion as to the morality of actions. I'd argue that thinking about your morality is more moral than taking it w/o question from an ancient text of dubious origin.
@InsaneTanuki why even comment? According to your philosophy EVERYTHING is in vain, for we came from nothing and in the end who will care if you are right?
@randyvild please note that the term atheist simply means that one lacks a belief in god. Other than that, there is no unifying 'Atheist Philosophy'. There is no agreement certainly, that all atheists think that all is in vain. And if 'all in vain' is your characterization of a naturalistic view of the universe, in which there is the possibility that our universe will eventually simply end, then I urge you to look around with new eyes. Doesn't your true mortality give each moment more value?
All of life is a commercial and everyone is a salesman. Everyone has something to sell and tries to convince another that what they have and believe is the right way, thing or thought (or whatever).
This is not directed at anyone, but everyone. Who is actually right and who is actually wrong? No one knows and never will as long as you are.
Unnacceptable nonsense. I am a proud athiest who respects religion. Unlike believers I feel not the need to make a video to express my veiws. Maybe thats what we need to balance the scales! A few athiest marches. God forbid there be an opposing view though.
By the ratings on dumbs down,there are alot of people going to hell. It's going to be a sad scary day for the godless,when Jesus comes back. I pray some will turn to Jesus before it's too late,in his Holy Precious Name!Amen! Jesus bless you!
@L00NGB00W therefore you support one of my conclusions, "you make yourself a god". The reason the Believer threw the first punch is the battle already begun. The better question is who started the battle?
"you make yourself a god" I never said that. I said we created God. We created the concept of Gods and spirits in order to easily explain the unexplainable. How did life begin? God. How are babies made? God. What is the origin of everything? God. Why is life so awesome? God. That is not an answer. "Who started the battle?" Well in your video, the atheist did. But that is not reality. This is how it works in reality. Believer-"You must worship Jehovah or burn in hell." Atheist-"Prove it."
@randyvild It's useless trying to talk to these people. They don't understand because they don't have the Holy Spirit of God. It's foolishness to them,read 1 CORINTHIANS 2:6-16. Use the Holy Spirit power to talk to them,Jesus knows what they need to hear. Jesus bless you and your family!
This is an incredibly simplistic and thus flawed "summary" of the arguments in this debate. The arguments are in fact incredibly complex and nuanced and an attempt to "summarise" them in this way will always fail. As a result, trying to reduce the arguments to such a simple level is an exercise in reductio ad absurdum, and saying that these arguments "win" is a fallacious statement.
is that the creationists argument against atheism on this vid? faith-heads don't really have a leg to stand on do they. so sad when you think that an open mind and a little research will free their minds from the shackles of superstition. oh i'm sorry, i was told "reason is whore", so i guess you have to be unreasonable to have faith
You rely in God's moral authority? Didn't you ever think that actually humans made all those rules, whats right and whats wrong. Yeah normal humans just like me and you many many years ago.
The idea of a god poofing out of thin air is just as stupid as the big bang. Our brains will never comprehend how we got here so shut the fuck up.....ALL OF YOU. What are the odds a BMW will pop out of thin air. 0 in Infinity. Well guess what, air actually has STRUCTURE, So it is INFINITELY MORE POSSIBLE for a BMW to pop out of thin air than a god or universe or bang or whatever to pop out of NOTHINGNESS....INFINITELY. We can compute it, simple.
I do believe that the non-universal force that created this universe is also not bound by our worldly limitations because it existed before us, by who is not to say I'm wrong... That force could be God.
@Randyvild So what exactly makes this God of yours superior to Zeus, Odin, etc.? There certainly is no more evidence of existence than the deities the "exist" in mythology. The argument that God created science is a cheap way out. Well Zeus created your God. My dad is tougher than your dad. That is a silly elementary school style argument that convinces only the weak minded and foolish.
@jpnlln97 The best argument is your last and first prayer at death bed, That's is what I love. The fear of what is beyond after many years of ''hard evidence'' ...I love that...I love it:)
im a catholic but all im saying is that there are two sides of the story i feel that the creation of the earth was caused by the big bang , however i feel the story or god creating the universe is a parable with a much deeper meaning
@chrissycroken lol even though i don't quite agree with you because i am an atheist, i am very happy to hear that accept evolution and the big bang. even though you believe god is "Pulling the strings". so what i am trying to say is, thank you for not letting your religious beliefs interfere with your perception of reality.
i wish i was the atheist in the video. i would of did so much better. sigh but i guess if they used a true depiction of atheism then the video not be used by creationists. they tend not to care about the truth.
@brainfoodlunch I'm an athiest too, and I think you should watch the YouTube video titled " 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009". It's the video that finally turned to Atheism.
In closing, I'd like to say that I'm not atheist, and do believe in a god, however, I have an open mind and am very willing to compromise my principles based on morals, logic, and science. You'd be wise to do the same. P.S. Applying video game analogies to as large a debate as this as your argument does nothing but harm it and seriously invalidate your credibility. Although, that was already gone when you posted this video to youtube.
[continued from last post] Either God can create such a stone or he cant. If he cant, the argument goes, then there is something that he cannot do, namely create the stone, and therefore he is not omnipotent. If he can, it continues, then there is also something that he cannot do, namely lift the stone, and therefore he is not omnipotent. Either way, then, God is not omnipotent. A being that is not omnipotent, though, is not God. God, therefore, does not exist. Q.E.D. proof by contradiction.
Randyvild, I respect your opinions, however I'm inclined to disagree with all points that you make. Does your God allow for tolerance? If he does, then you do not adhere to his laws. You take no time to even attempt to understand the opposition's viewpoint. If your God does not allow tolerance, what kind of God is he? Furthermore, I'd like to cite a well known proof against God's existence. Can God create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it? [comment continues]
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] But until then don't try to argue with me because I have scientific evidence and a scientific explanation that goes along with it.
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] explained in completely natural terms without any outside or supernatural power. I totally encourage you and everyone that reads these comments to watch that video and try to understand it. randyvild, or even for that matter you thisisallidobitch7 or anyone else, if you do decide to watch the video and come to actually understand it fully and can counter its scientific explanation then by all means tell me and I will listen.
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] because I couldn't understand how in the world everything could come from nothing. After all, that of course sounds like some sort of god-like event and so I kept believing that there was a god. The video I gave you is finally what made me turn to Atheism because I finally knew that there was a scientific explanation for how everything came from nothing and I understood it and so there was no need for a god because everything can be
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] or or or, well, you get the point and this isn't the place to list out all the flaws and contradictions and inconsistencies of Christianity and its "holy book" but I will tell you how to get to a webpage that lists numerous contradictions in the Bible: go to google and type in (in quotation marks) "Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?" and click on the first result. Anyways, so I turned away from Christianity to Agnosticism
*Correction* I say "Anyways, so I turned away from Christianity to Agnosticism...". That should say "Anyways, so I refrained from turning away from Agnosticism to full blown Atheism..."
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] fellow athiests say that we don't claim that you can get something from nothing when in fact you can and in fact you can get everything from nothing. This is the subject that kept me from turning away from Agnosticism for a long time. I turned away from Christianity because of all the flaws in the bible and how self-contradictory it is and how it can tell people to do immoral things like killing your son for no reason or keeping slaves,
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] fact that you will be challenging your flawed faith. But if you really do believe that you are correct then how in the world can it hurt to watch this video to understand the other side's argument? Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. Just on principle you should take the time to understand this. And you thisisallidobitch7, I'm sorry for picking you out of the many other people available but I have heard many many other
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] you never heard about it. And even if you do decide to try to watch the video it is likely that you will be turned off by how long it is and by how much energy you must spend on trying to understand it and will thus give up on even trying and say that it doesn't make sense or that it doesn't hold water when in fact it does and you just need to take the time and energy and be willing to understand it. You will probably be scared by the
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] and to understand this video. But you randyvild I am not so sure of. I am giving you a scientific explanation for this but one that requires to spend quite a deal of time and energy into understanding it. Do I expect you to take the time necessary to do this? No, no I don't. I don't because you base your reasons off of logical fallacies and inaccuracies. You are probably going to just dismiss this and continue about your life as if
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] should make you happy to expand your understanding of the universe even more. Even if you aren't an athiest (please forgive me for assuming if this is the case) I can tell that you are a reasonable person and as such the previous statement still applies and you welcome scientific information that is new to you. Now, I am quite certain that you thisisallidobitch7 will (of course when you have enough time to do so) take the time to watch
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] That being said, you randyvild need to completely ignore the little parts scattered throughout the video where he bashes creationism and just focus on everything else, i.e. the scientific explanation. And you thisisallidobitch7, I respect your stance but you don't have enough information yet on the topic. I am inclined to assume that you are also an atheist and as such you embrace science and welcome new scientific information so this
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] of explaining everything. Something like this HAS to take this long to explain because no one could do it justice by trying to explain it in 5 or 10 or even 20 minutes. Like I said it uses a lot of high level physics and so if your not particular good at physics you need to keep going back and back to parts of the video that you don't understand and even watch the video multiple times before you can grasp everything that is being said.
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 This reply box is far too small for me to explain it here, but THERE IS a scientific explanation for how everything came from nothing. The explanation uses high levels of physics including quantum mechanics. If you really do want to understand how this is so you absolutely need to watch this video called " 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009". It explains everything in great detail. It is over an hour long but it does an excellent job
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Atheists don't claim you can get something from nothing, that is one of the most common strawmans of all time. Why don't you people stop only listening to each other and actually speak to one? If you invent the premise that everything (including something as grand as the universe) needs a creator....then you fail to apply it to your "god." Saying that a god can exist for eternity? The infinite regress conundrum isn't solved by that; save a step, maybe the universe has been around for eternity.
@thisisallidobitch7 Physical can not be eternal. Nothing that decays can have no beginning. The Creator is from a different realm just like the video game creator is to the game Sims. Did Sims just pop out of nowhere? Or does it have a creator? Imagine in the future the electronic people in Sims are given reasoning but restricted to know their maker. When that day comes there will be the 2% like you who say there is no designer.
You're analogy about the sims is a really good one, but it works more against your favor than for it. The creators of the sims, according to you, had to have been created as well. Therefore, with your analogy, the creator of the universe must have had its creator. The difference between naturalists and creationists, is that we make no blind assumptions. We simply conclude based on observation.
@randyvild..."physical can not be eternal"......says you. This has never been demonstrated, look at virtual particles that can manifest an and out of existence in virtual particles by what appears to be nothing. You don't realize that you yourself invented "physical can not be eternal," without demonstrating it in any way and giving a flawed analogy to compare it to. You use analogy that fallaciously applies to our current world basically using the same logic of "every painting needs a painter."
@randyvild That would depend on how you define physical. Everything that existed at the big bang is still in existence. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just reorganized. Matter is a form of energy. Suggesting an entity created energy would be violating the law of conservation. This whole "god outside space/time" is a crock. Theres nothing to suggest there is any sort of state of existence outside the universe. Or that a disembodied mind exists there.
@tallifer1 The bible in no way supports the state of altrenative existence. The only things we can accurately describe as real are things manifested in the universe. Also creating the universe would a causal event. EVERYTHING god does in the bible is a causal event, and demonstrates the manifestation of god within the universe. Causation is dependant on time and could only apply to the universe. To say god is outside time/space is to say god doesnt exist.
The first law of Thermodynamics states that neither matter nor energy can be destroyed, only converted. Ergo, Matter and Energy (the physical) are eternal.
@randyvild But the person who created the Sims was created himself. Lol. Like you said Something can't come from nothing. You should tell your god that. By the way. Which god do you worship? Thor, Odin, Zeus, Allah, FSM, or etc? I just want to specify since there are so many.
@thisisallidobitch7 "Why don't you people stop only listening to each other and actually speak to one?"
He does and has been speaking with atheists, namely myself. I have expounded simple, fundamental physical laws to him countless times. He simply ignores anything that contradicts his biblical beliefs and continues stating that atheists believe "everything came from nothing" ad infinitum, despite being repeatedly informed of the actual facts. It is willful ignorance, plain and simple.
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This video is pretty much an exact replication of the argument between a creationist and his imagination. It is very rare that a creationist ever posts an actual naturalistic response rather than the ones he creates for them. If the poster in particular had, he would've gotten the answers to his questions and the rebuttals to his ill conceived answers.
Life on earth did not originate from dirt. You're only arguing against what you think science says about abiogenesis when in reality you don't know shit. Go read a book FFS.
@randyvild Its YOU who needs to answer that, science says no such thing. Way to be informed on neither side of the argument dumbass.
Genesis 2:7 "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being".
"you are dust and to dust you shall return' Genesis3:19
The idea that you cannot get something from nothing is contrary to the idea that God has always existed. Furthermore, if you believe that God has always existed, then why can you not believe that science has not always existed? Or rather, that the fundamental principals which science seeks to find, have always existed.
Wow, this video is chock-full of apologist argumentative fallacy. The most obvious one being the strawman "atheist" you portray; I very much doubt you have ever talked to a flesh-and-blood atheist and got any of those talking points from a debate.
Arguments aside, it was a pretty creative metaphor to see how these two thoughts conflict within your mind.
evidence. You see, we atheists aren't afraid to accept and say that we don't know everything. Just because you don't know or don't understand something doesn't mean you can go around saying some magical pixie is its cause.
@mikerodeman, what magical pixie dust do you believe in that created the first SOMETHING? You being physical will give a physical answer and it will lead to nothing. Your beliefs in Atheism support that we are merely nothing and live a life of vanity. With that being the reality with your limited mind why even argue these matters? Just eat drink and marry (1 Cor. 15:32).
@randyvild I just posted a series of comments in response to your comment right here. But I couldn't help but to notice that you couldn't make an argument to any of the six things I listed that were wrong with your argument that you made in the video and instead you said something that wasn't related at all to any of the first five things that I listed that were wrong with your argument and only vaguely related to my sixth thing that I listed that is wrong with your argument in the video.
@randyvild So yeah, way to go on trying to argue with me! You did a great job replying to anything I listed wrong! That's sarcasm in case you didn't catch it.
*Correction* I said "You did a great job replying to anything I listed wrong!" That should be "You did a great job replying to anything I listed that was wrong with your argument!"
@randyvild "what magical pixie dust do you believe in that created the first SOMETHING?"
Matter/Energy can not be created or destroyed, only change forms. Why is this incredibly basic, simple, fundamental law of physics so hard for you to grasp?
Sixth problem with this: You say "Leaps and bounds missing links you might as well believe in the sphinx. Your theories have holes, Darwin admitted theyre incomplete" You are absolutely correct. Science is incomplete. It shall forever remain that way. Science is ever changing and ALWAYS open to criticism or change if you can provide
your house and Nazis come knocking on your door asking if you have Jews in your house. I would of course lie and say no. But YOU would HAVE to say yes because lying is wrong no matter what, no matter how small it is.
Fifth problem with this: You say "I dont know right, I dont know wrong so I relay on God. Who is your great moral authority?" This is simply bullshit. You can have morality without a God. I think killing is wrong, I think stealing is wrong, etc. But I, unlike you, weigh the options in each case and make case by case decisions. For example, I think lying in general is wrong. But let's say you were a German in WWII and you were hiding Jews in
Fourth problem with this: You say "Do you believe in Love?" Why yes, yes we do. Love is not invisible. Love is simply the reaction of your brain to a certain chemical.
...."complexity of life and the universe" because we have a scientific explanation for that which is backed up with enormous amounts of undeniable evidence.
Third problem with this: When confronted with the question "Who created God?" You say "No one. Gods not bound by the physical realm." Alright, you claim there is some sort of being outside our universe that transcends the laws of physics. It is not up to us disprove God, it is up to YOU to prove his existence. It is impossible to prove a negative. And you can't just go lollygagging around pointing out the
Second problem with this: When you asked "Then who created Science?". We created science. Science is simply the pursuit of knowledge. It is not a physical entity, so your argument here is meaningless.
First problem with this: When confronted with "How can you believe, that a God exist?" You say "Just look around, and all the creativeness". By creativeness you of course mean complexity. Complexity can be broken down into very simple and small components that are explained with tremendous amount of evidence by science.
In addition the words that theists like to use to describe the universe in terms of creation are very comparative. "Creativeness" is a comparative statement comparing two or more things. It is a contrasting statement. You cant say something is creative if it is the only example known. One could also argue that the universe is also small...but compared to what? Another larger universe? These descriptive statements have no meaning.
Now you're just going into crazy conspiracy theory territory. That's really a whole nother can of worms that we really don't need to open in this particular debate...
We are on the brink of world war 3, are bein poiisoned in our food and medicine, soft kill weapons like the vaccine, endless war... I hardly consider this even close to a "utopia" or better than the past, it will always be like this until people turn to God, the true God. Not claim to and do the opposite, it has never happened and never will until people realize we are all essentially the same.
lol. Both of these characters are morons and don't know how to participate in an educated discussion. Horrible arguments, it's like listening to children.
I proved everything I say you just fail to acknowledge it. Atheism causes problems because they turn science into a religion and try to pass it off as fact.
Bible has been flawed and skewed, even recently in 2000. This is proof of disinformation,and proof people are trying to hide the truth. Personally I believe it stems all the way back to Satan, but that is my perception. Satan wishes he were God, as do many people. I can prove the Bible has been flawed recently, everyone should be outraged, even atheist, but instead they used flawed scripture to justify their position. How can you be so sure of something when the information or data is incorrect?
"How can you be so sure of something when the information or data is incorrect?"
How can I be so sure about what? I'm sorry, I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on what you are referring to by "something" I am so sure of... Thanks in advance.
OK. Can I see a reliable version of the Bible anywhere then? You know, like the ACTUAL Word of God, uncorrupted by megalomaniacal jerks bent on enticement, deceit and control.
You are right though. The Bible, in its present form is rather... villainous.
Proof of God is everywhere you look, it is in anything that is positive. By definition God is everything that is good. He is infinite, and infinite in many ways. I think it is safe to assume the universe could be infinite for that matter, and it baffles one to think how small we really are if that is true. How can atheist think science can prove everything when we are infinitesimally small.
The perception of good is different for everyone. Thus, anything defined as good may not be God. This is only one facet of a range of problems with that definition.
It is not bound by perception though. If you can specifically define good then it is a valid definition. That is the problem with words in general though, they can be sliced many different ways.
Then what is it possibly bound by? If god is everything that is good, but you can't define good, then there's no purpose in claiming what god is or isn't. You have no more a clue than anyone else.
"How can atheist think science can prove everything"
No atheist or scientist or anyone has ever said anything like this. Back up your assertion or let it rest as fallacy.
Science is only one factor that intelligent people use to form their worldviews. History and philosophy are just as important, if not MORE important since history seems to repeat itself ad infinitum despite any technological advances...
Well then it is either my perception, but many atheist do act like science can explain everything and b/c of science ther eis no God. Maybe you don't but there are still people who do. There are extreme religious ppl who don't want to look to science, as well as extreme scientist who don't want to look to religion.
History does repeat itself, but if people didn't reject God and lived for God and other people, the world would be perfect. There are plenty of resources for all
People don't live for the true God though, there are so many perceptions... that is why i said TRUE..... ther eare many false Gods and false religions.
When I said history I was mostly refering to the history of the Bible. History of ancient texts, history of symbolisms, etc........... it all means something it's just hard to put the pieces together because there is so much disinformation about it.
People don't live for the true God... there are many false Gods and false religions"
How can you even say that? People live for the God that is true for them! If they didn't think their God was THE God they wouldn't worship him.
Most people from most other religions would fully agree with your description of God as anything and everything good in the world or just what any individual might describe as good to them. The only difference is they were born into a different religion than your own.
History does repeat it self and we have become so much more advanced since the past. We have all this crazy technology and what not, but we still can't coexist with one another. If people didn't reject the true God, and want to be Gods themselves, it would solve pretty much all problems in the world.
Some people in the world are just greedy and want everythin for themself. They don't want to share, or believe in any sort of karma, or realize God has provided everything for everyone.
If people didn't reject the true God... it would solve pretty much all problems in the world"
Completely bogus assertion. Everyone in Middle Age Europe followed the teachings of Christ. And life was still shit for about 90% of people. While in the modern 1st world, atheism is growing faster than at any time in history and life is still better than we could ever hope it to be. Not a utopia by far but I'll take it over pretty much any other society that's ever existed.
Yea but its not the same thing, and you can't prove death is the same as before life. How can you assume that if you never existed before this point in time. You just perceive death to be nothingness, but I can guarantee you life is eternal.
"you can't prove death is the same as before life." Why can't I? How exactly are they different? I can name countless similarities between the two and if we stop short of throwing around assumptions, they're exactly the same.
Because whether you believe it or not we were all created specially for a purpose... whether people wish to acknowledge that or not is up to the individual, but we are capable for achieving anything in life and being perfect if we strive for it. Death is only the beginning. In death is death, that is your perspective, but the reality is in death is life.
It is your free will be superficial, but there can only be one truth that holds.
Hahah no offense but you think so superficial as most atheist do. You didn't even exists until what 20-30 years ago, maybe more? regardless... you had no existence, you were created before you were born, regardless if you believe it or not, but you didn't exist at all until some finite point in time. When you die, life goes extends beyond the 3rd dimension. All atheist are stuck in the 3rd dimension, that is why they fail to see proof of God. Quantum science and string theory can prove this.
"Quantum science and string theory can prove this."
Can prove what? You just threw multiple assertions at me without providing a shred of evidence for any of them. You're simply talking at me at this point.
I'm not making any assumptions. Take 9/11 for example, it doesn't matter how much proof you have that mainstream media is corrupt and lies and deceived the masses.
However, it doesn't matter how much proof you have, people will still believe whatever the fuck they want to believe based on their perception. It is pretty much the same ordeal when discussin religion and God. Doesn't matter how much proof you have, people will still believe wahtever they want to...
"people will still believe wahtever they want to..."
I don't entirely disagree with your sentiments, which is why the only way to have a level discussion on this is to eliminate conjecture and assumptions. If it's not rooted in facts it's worthless. I don't know of any atheist that wouldn't want to see proof of God if such a thing exists and if it's credible and holds I'd become a deist today. It's not like we hold unwaveringly onto our lack of belief.
You claim there is lack of proof, I claim there is an overabundance of proof, so it is in the eye of the beholder. Logically it doesn't make sense for God not to exists.
Basically from your perspectives you are implying life is meaningless, and the only thing to life is what we can merely see or prove with science. So what is even the point of living, some people don't even get to live past their 20s, 20 years is a very short period of time compared to infinity. ..............
We all have free will, but there must be consequences for our negative actions whether it is this lifetime or the next.
Logically it doesn't make any sense for there not to be life after death, or even death after death. Eternal death, not nothingness, in a negative void, the epitome of all evils. Evil extends way beyond the physical realm whether you wish to believe it or not, and can have heavy influences on peoples actions.
@xdyingfetusx69 "I claim there is an overabundance of proof." Then show it. "Logically it doesn't make sense for God not to exists." Let's hear this logic.
"you are implying life is meaningless" Not at all. "some people don't even get to live past their 20s" Correct, I don't follow your point.
"Because whether you believe it or not we were all created speically for a purpose... whether peole wish to acknolwedge that or not is up to the individual, but we are capable for achieving anything in life and being perfect if we strive for it. Death is only the begining. In death is death, that is your perspective, but the reality is in death is life."
This is all pure conjecture and does nothing to address my points.
But so is yours, why do you think I said that is your perspective? You cannot prove your point of view so don't see why you are approaching it as an argument.
Your view on death is one of the most cynical things I've ever heard btw.
I don't see how you can say that when I'm not speculating on the matter. I can easily prove to you how the two are very much the same, stopping short of making any assumptions. One could start by addressing the similarities between vital signs and then move onto brain function.
"one of the most cynical things I've ever heard"
It might seem a bit pessimistic, but reality isn't bound by pessimism.
There is proof of God all around, if people can't realize this it's because they simply don't want to, or are deceived/blinded from the truth. If Science can't disprove God, why do atheist claim because science exist then God probably doesnt. It makes absolutely zero sense. I think it has be orchestrated by religion and even some "scientist" to make people argue about petty bullshit so they can never figure out the truth.
It's ok for bigots to skew logic I guess. many Atheist are bigots but they have no reason to be. Their minds are closed, yet they claim to be the most self-righteous open-minded people of all... haha give me a break. When you prove they are wrong they just slander who God truly is, it is the only way any atheist arguments work, skewin perspectives to fit their own narrow-minded perspective. Their petty existence should be enough proof, but they rather wish they were God themselves.
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YouTutorials0 1 day ago
religious people are fags. priests rapeing and malesting kids in there church. the bible has so manyu contriductions its funnyu.
02gsaravia 2 months ago
It has entertainment value :)
Buddhuzlefthandman 2 months ago
Actual arguments: creationist:Soda cans have designers, just like houses. Bannanas have a designer, just like soda cans. The human body has a designer, just like bannanas, and the Bible says this.humanist: We don't expect that everything came from magic. We expect that everything came from natural causes. Babies do not come from the stork, they come from the womb of the mother. Gravity does not come from God, just like babies. The universe did not come from God, just like babies and gravity.
realitymakesmehappy 3 months ago
Sides are always misrepresenting eachother. creationist: Atheists believe that everything came from an explosion out of nothing which began evolving towards intelligence, because a science book says so. humanist: Creationists believe that a magical sky daddy magically created everything in 6 days based on the say so of a 2000 year old book, and 2000 year old books are always right.
realitymakesmehappy 3 months ago
music is my religion and Jesus is my god
truthfulchristian12 3 months ago
god created life not religion.how can we ever be anything other than what we are?I guess well never know.
deemac33 3 months ago
FUCKING GAY! WE KILLED JESUS CAUSE HE WAS GAY! IF HE COMES BACK AGAIN, WE'LL DO THE SAME.
saynonow 3 months ago
hah! nice one Randy! i love the epic voices and stuff.
YentaMaster 3 months ago
Observable evidence of Creation by a Maker.
watch?v=qZev7hb40uk
JungleJargon 5 months ago
Logically the Fly Spaghetti Monster is more accurate and reliable; why?
It explains why there are fossils, etc. as it say it was placed by the FSM to confused scientist, other religions got nothing......
moviedude120796 5 months ago
if those punches had actually correlated to the weight of the arguments being launched, then the so-called "knock out" punch wouldn't have phased my ten year old cousin. And to say that atheists make themselves gods is a stretch when all an atheist really does is try to reason with the world around them to reach a conclusion as to the morality of actions. I'd argue that thinking about your morality is more moral than taking it w/o question from an ancient text of dubious origin.
nvonliph 8 months ago
classic the religious once again try ro prove there right with stupid stuff. you dont see athiests spamming people with stupid songs and rimes
InsaneTanuki 10 months ago
@InsaneTanuki why even comment? According to your philosophy EVERYTHING is in vain, for we came from nothing and in the end who will care if you are right?
randyvild 10 months ago
@randyvild please note that the term atheist simply means that one lacks a belief in god. Other than that, there is no unifying 'Atheist Philosophy'. There is no agreement certainly, that all atheists think that all is in vain. And if 'all in vain' is your characterization of a naturalistic view of the universe, in which there is the possibility that our universe will eventually simply end, then I urge you to look around with new eyes. Doesn't your true mortality give each moment more value?
nvonliph 8 months ago
This is amazingly stupid. The whole thing is just hilarious. smh
JayJayAbels 11 months ago
I believe in God and evolution at the same time, please watch my video (Richard Dawkins Exposed - Evolution Proves God). /watch?v=Ugu3cZN-3jU
helasmoh 1 year ago
david vs goliath not a fair fight poor goliath!
nettieheartful 1 year ago
Oh my ... deity! The dialogue and lyrics will surely fail in getting debauched atheists to get on their knees and praise jebus.
Now imagine AronRa in the ring doing his "Dempsey roll" of logic and mauling the believer. :P
Holammer 1 year ago
All of life is a commercial and everyone is a salesman. Everyone has something to sell and tries to convince another that what they have and believe is the right way, thing or thought (or whatever).
This is not directed at anyone, but everyone. Who is actually right and who is actually wrong? No one knows and never will as long as you are.
TheBadAssKiller 1 year ago
"How can you get something from nothing?" That's one of my favorites since God = something from nothing.
ReefThinker 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO KO:.)
demorris766126 1 year ago
Unnacceptable nonsense. I am a proud athiest who respects religion. Unlike believers I feel not the need to make a video to express my veiws. Maybe thats what we need to balance the scales! A few athiest marches. God forbid there be an opposing view though.
bigyin1984 1 year ago
lol look at the ratings this vid is fail.
vorkvoyd 1 year ago
Ive watched this over and over ,great video , and its funny too , love the KO and sound effect ,could not stop laughing ... perfect video.
demorris766126 1 year ago
By the ratings on dumbs down,there are alot of people going to hell. It's going to be a sad scary day for the godless,when Jesus comes back. I pray some will turn to Jesus before it's too late,in his Holy Precious Name!Amen! Jesus bless you!
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
Is there a way to vote for the worst video on YouTube?
stud6999 1 year ago
@stud6999 I was thinking exactly the same thing.
Staldren 1 year ago
at the end the Believer says "how can you get something from nothing" that's stupid because he believes that his god came from nothing Logic fail!!
itsthatsebguy93 1 year ago
Lol. Nice. =)
"Who created science?"
Uhh... We did.
"Who created God?"
Uhh... We did.
Funny (and apt) that the believer was the first to throw a punch. =)
L00NGB00W 1 year ago 2
@L00NGB00W therefore you support one of my conclusions, "you make yourself a god". The reason the Believer threw the first punch is the battle already begun. The better question is who started the battle?
randyvild 1 year ago
L00NGB00W 1 year ago 5
@randyvild It's useless trying to talk to these people. They don't understand because they don't have the Holy Spirit of God. It's foolishness to them,read 1 CORINTHIANS 2:6-16. Use the Holy Spirit power to talk to them,Jesus knows what they need to hear. Jesus bless you and your family!
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
@randyvild If you believe that those actions require godhood, then you define us into being gods.
I don't do either.
Thatonedude917 1 year ago
This is an incredibly simplistic and thus flawed "summary" of the arguments in this debate. The arguments are in fact incredibly complex and nuanced and an attempt to "summarise" them in this way will always fail. As a result, trying to reduce the arguments to such a simple level is an exercise in reductio ad absurdum, and saying that these arguments "win" is a fallacious statement.
All in all, a terrible video.
nickkokay 1 year ago
I don't get it... Did the atheist lose because he didn't recognize that the believer was quote mining Darwin?
JustBusiness17 1 year ago
is that the creationists argument against atheism on this vid? faith-heads don't really have a leg to stand on do they. so sad when you think that an open mind and a little research will free their minds from the shackles of superstition. oh i'm sorry, i was told "reason is whore", so i guess you have to be unreasonable to have faith
fourbabies1 1 year ago
You rely in God's moral authority? Didn't you ever think that actually humans made all those rules, whats right and whats wrong. Yeah normal humans just like me and you many many years ago.
AnasAlex10 1 year ago
i always feel akward watching christians humiliate themselfs like this... i feel like this guy is posting videos of himself masturbating
Dreamerx47 1 year ago
Lol. Poor old Christianity. Its arguement's against Science seem to be getting more flimsy ever year. Can't believe I used to be Christian...
Derwydd3 1 year ago
The idea of a god poofing out of thin air is just as stupid as the big bang. Our brains will never comprehend how we got here so shut the fuck up.....ALL OF YOU. What are the odds a BMW will pop out of thin air. 0 in Infinity. Well guess what, air actually has STRUCTURE, So it is INFINITELY MORE POSSIBLE for a BMW to pop out of thin air than a god or universe or bang or whatever to pop out of NOTHINGNESS....INFINITELY. We can compute it, simple.
TriviumCrusader17 1 year ago
Lol only reinforcing the fact that christians are weak minded primitive brainwashed douchebags. Ugh dont get me started
TriviumCrusader17 1 year ago
fuck atheists they are stupid and wrong
0HollyHood0 1 year ago
@0HollyHood0 Lol wow
TriviumCrusader17 1 year ago
I do believe that the non-universal force that created this universe is also not bound by our worldly limitations because it existed before us, by who is not to say I'm wrong... That force could be God.
supergodzilla22 1 year ago
Do you believe in "MAGIC?"
Do you believe in God?
Grow up humans............God is FICTION.
Karoke77 1 year ago
God is FICTION.
Karoke77 1 year ago
@Randyvild So what exactly makes this God of yours superior to Zeus, Odin, etc.? There certainly is no more evidence of existence than the deities the "exist" in mythology. The argument that God created science is a cheap way out. Well Zeus created your God. My dad is tougher than your dad. That is a silly elementary school style argument that convinces only the weak minded and foolish.
jpnlln97 1 year ago 4
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jpnlln97 1 year ago
@jpnlln97 The best argument is your last and first prayer at death bed, That's is what I love. The fear of what is beyond after many years of ''hard evidence'' ...I love that...I love it:)
hrisnec 1 month ago
im a catholic but all im saying is that there are two sides of the story i feel that the creation of the earth was caused by the big bang , however i feel the story or god creating the universe is a parable with a much deeper meaning
chrissycroken 1 year ago
@chrissycroken lol even though i don't quite agree with you because i am an atheist, i am very happy to hear that accept evolution and the big bang. even though you believe god is "Pulling the strings". so what i am trying to say is, thank you for not letting your religious beliefs interfere with your perception of reality.
TheTekken7 1 year ago
@TheTekken7 it should be i am very happy to hear that YOU accept evolution and .....
TheTekken7 1 year ago
I give you credit for having a very well put together video....regardless of if you actually know what youre talking about....
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
wack...
TheJoshJman 1 year ago
i wish i was the atheist in the video. i would of did so much better. sigh but i guess if they used a true depiction of atheism then the video not be used by creationists. they tend not to care about the truth.
TheTekken7 1 year ago
@brainfoodlunch I'm an athiest too, and I think you should watch the YouTube video titled " 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009". It's the video that finally turned to Atheism.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
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MrSalim3320 1 year ago
In closing, I'd like to say that I'm not atheist, and do believe in a god, however, I have an open mind and am very willing to compromise my principles based on morals, logic, and science. You'd be wise to do the same. P.S. Applying video game analogies to as large a debate as this as your argument does nothing but harm it and seriously invalidate your credibility. Although, that was already gone when you posted this video to youtube.
MrSalim3320 1 year ago
[continued from last post] Either God can create such a stone or he cant. If he cant, the argument goes, then there is something that he cannot do, namely create the stone, and therefore he is not omnipotent. If he can, it continues, then there is also something that he cannot do, namely lift the stone, and therefore he is not omnipotent. Either way, then, God is not omnipotent. A being that is not omnipotent, though, is not God. God, therefore, does not exist. Q.E.D. proof by contradiction.
MrSalim3320 1 year ago
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MrSalim3320 1 year ago
Randyvild, I respect your opinions, however I'm inclined to disagree with all points that you make. Does your God allow for tolerance? If he does, then you do not adhere to his laws. You take no time to even attempt to understand the opposition's viewpoint. If your God does not allow tolerance, what kind of God is he? Furthermore, I'd like to cite a well known proof against God's existence. Can God create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it? [comment continues]
MrSalim3320 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] But until then don't try to argue with me because I have scientific evidence and a scientific explanation that goes along with it.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] explained in completely natural terms without any outside or supernatural power. I totally encourage you and everyone that reads these comments to watch that video and try to understand it. randyvild, or even for that matter you thisisallidobitch7 or anyone else, if you do decide to watch the video and come to actually understand it fully and can counter its scientific explanation then by all means tell me and I will listen.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] because I couldn't understand how in the world everything could come from nothing. After all, that of course sounds like some sort of god-like event and so I kept believing that there was a god. The video I gave you is finally what made me turn to Atheism because I finally knew that there was a scientific explanation for how everything came from nothing and I understood it and so there was no need for a god because everything can be
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] or or or, well, you get the point and this isn't the place to list out all the flaws and contradictions and inconsistencies of Christianity and its "holy book" but I will tell you how to get to a webpage that lists numerous contradictions in the Bible: go to google and type in (in quotation marks) "Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?" and click on the first result. Anyways, so I turned away from Christianity to Agnosticism
mikerodeman 1 year ago
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*Correction* I say "Anyways, so I turned away from Christianity to Agnosticism...". That should say "Anyways, so I refrained from turning away from Agnosticism to full blown Atheism..."
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] fellow athiests say that we don't claim that you can get something from nothing when in fact you can and in fact you can get everything from nothing. This is the subject that kept me from turning away from Agnosticism for a long time. I turned away from Christianity because of all the flaws in the bible and how self-contradictory it is and how it can tell people to do immoral things like killing your son for no reason or keeping slaves,
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] fact that you will be challenging your flawed faith. But if you really do believe that you are correct then how in the world can it hurt to watch this video to understand the other side's argument? Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. Just on principle you should take the time to understand this. And you thisisallidobitch7, I'm sorry for picking you out of the many other people available but I have heard many many other
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] you never heard about it. And even if you do decide to try to watch the video it is likely that you will be turned off by how long it is and by how much energy you must spend on trying to understand it and will thus give up on even trying and say that it doesn't make sense or that it doesn't hold water when in fact it does and you just need to take the time and energy and be willing to understand it. You will probably be scared by the
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] and to understand this video. But you randyvild I am not so sure of. I am giving you a scientific explanation for this but one that requires to spend quite a deal of time and energy into understanding it. Do I expect you to take the time necessary to do this? No, no I don't. I don't because you base your reasons off of logical fallacies and inaccuracies. You are probably going to just dismiss this and continue about your life as if
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] should make you happy to expand your understanding of the universe even more. Even if you aren't an athiest (please forgive me for assuming if this is the case) I can tell that you are a reasonable person and as such the previous statement still applies and you welcome scientific information that is new to you. Now, I am quite certain that you thisisallidobitch7 will (of course when you have enough time to do so) take the time to watch
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] That being said, you randyvild need to completely ignore the little parts scattered throughout the video where he bashes creationism and just focus on everything else, i.e. the scientific explanation. And you thisisallidobitch7, I respect your stance but you don't have enough information yet on the topic. I am inclined to assume that you are also an atheist and as such you embrace science and welcome new scientific information so this
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 [continuing last post] of explaining everything. Something like this HAS to take this long to explain because no one could do it justice by trying to explain it in 5 or 10 or even 20 minutes. Like I said it uses a lot of high level physics and so if your not particular good at physics you need to keep going back and back to parts of the video that you don't understand and even watch the video multiple times before you can grasp everything that is being said.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild and @thisisallidobitch7 This reply box is far too small for me to explain it here, but THERE IS a scientific explanation for how everything came from nothing. The explanation uses high levels of physics including quantum mechanics. If you really do want to understand how this is so you absolutely need to watch this video called " 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009". It explains everything in great detail. It is over an hour long but it does an excellent job
mikerodeman 1 year ago
God is FICTION.
Karoke77 1 year ago 2
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I'll take religion for $1000 Alex...
OK,
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Um, What is Christianity?
That is correct!
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
Atheists don't claim you can get something from nothing, that is one of the most common strawmans of all time. Why don't you people stop only listening to each other and actually speak to one? If you invent the premise that everything (including something as grand as the universe) needs a creator....then you fail to apply it to your "god." Saying that a god can exist for eternity? The infinite regress conundrum isn't solved by that; save a step, maybe the universe has been around for eternity.
thisisallidobitch7 1 year ago 2
@thisisallidobitch7 Physical can not be eternal. Nothing that decays can have no beginning. The Creator is from a different realm just like the video game creator is to the game Sims. Did Sims just pop out of nowhere? Or does it have a creator? Imagine in the future the electronic people in Sims are given reasoning but restricted to know their maker. When that day comes there will be the 2% like you who say there is no designer.
randyvild 1 year ago
@randyvild
You're analogy about the sims is a really good one, but it works more against your favor than for it. The creators of the sims, according to you, had to have been created as well. Therefore, with your analogy, the creator of the universe must have had its creator. The difference between naturalists and creationists, is that we make no blind assumptions. We simply conclude based on observation.
psychosavant 1 year ago
@randyvild..."physical can not be eternal"......says you. This has never been demonstrated, look at virtual particles that can manifest an and out of existence in virtual particles by what appears to be nothing. You don't realize that you yourself invented "physical can not be eternal," without demonstrating it in any way and giving a flawed analogy to compare it to. You use analogy that fallaciously applies to our current world basically using the same logic of "every painting needs a painter."
thisisallidobitch7 1 year ago
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@randyvild "Nothing that decays can have no beginning"
Good thing matter/energy don't decay, only change forms.
"Did Sims just pop out of nowhere?"
Life on earth did not just spontaneously manifest itself out of nothing. Your argument is a strawman and has zero validity.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
@randyvild That would depend on how you define physical. Everything that existed at the big bang is still in existence. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just reorganized. Matter is a form of energy. Suggesting an entity created energy would be violating the law of conservation. This whole "god outside space/time" is a crock. Theres nothing to suggest there is any sort of state of existence outside the universe. Or that a disembodied mind exists there.
tallifer1 1 year ago
@tallifer1 The bible in no way supports the state of altrenative existence. The only things we can accurately describe as real are things manifested in the universe. Also creating the universe would a causal event. EVERYTHING god does in the bible is a causal event, and demonstrates the manifestation of god within the universe. Causation is dependant on time and could only apply to the universe. To say god is outside time/space is to say god doesnt exist.
tallifer1 1 year ago
@randyvild
take your argument from ignorance somewhere else thanks :)
types10000 1 year ago
@randyvild
The first law of Thermodynamics states that neither matter nor energy can be destroyed, only converted. Ergo, Matter and Energy (the physical) are eternal.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
@randyvild But the person who created the Sims was created himself. Lol. Like you said Something can't come from nothing. You should tell your god that. By the way. Which god do you worship? Thor, Odin, Zeus, Allah, FSM, or etc? I just want to specify since there are so many.
KingWithoutaCause 5 months ago
@thisisallidobitch7 "Why don't you people stop only listening to each other and actually speak to one?"
He does and has been speaking with atheists, namely myself. I have expounded simple, fundamental physical laws to him countless times. He simply ignores anything that contradicts his biblical beliefs and continues stating that atheists believe "everything came from nothing" ad infinitum, despite being repeatedly informed of the actual facts. It is willful ignorance, plain and simple.
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
This video is pretty much an exact replication of the argument between a creationist and his imagination. It is very rare that a creationist ever posts an actual naturalistic response rather than the ones he creates for them. If the poster in particular had, he would've gotten the answers to his questions and the rebuttals to his ill conceived answers.
psychosavant 1 year ago 6
@psychosavant How does something from dirt even have an imagination?
randyvild 1 year ago
@randyvild
Ask yourself that question. Creationists are the ones that believe man came from dirt.
psychosavant 1 year ago
@randyvild "something from dirt"
Life on earth did not originate from dirt. You're only arguing against what you think science says about abiogenesis when in reality you don't know shit. Go read a book FFS.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
@randyvild Its YOU who needs to answer that, science says no such thing. Way to be informed on neither side of the argument dumbass.
Genesis 2:7 "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being".
"you are dust and to dust you shall return' Genesis3:19
tallifer1 1 year ago
@randyvild You meant dust, right? Like the bible says?
JustBusiness17 1 year ago
The idea that you cannot get something from nothing is contrary to the idea that God has always existed. Furthermore, if you believe that God has always existed, then why can you not believe that science has not always existed? Or rather, that the fundamental principals which science seeks to find, have always existed.
Smackerlacker1 1 year ago
Wow, this video is chock-full of apologist argumentative fallacy. The most obvious one being the strawman "atheist" you portray; I very much doubt you have ever talked to a flesh-and-blood atheist and got any of those talking points from a debate.
Arguments aside, it was a pretty creative metaphor to see how these two thoughts conflict within your mind.
MrRedDragon 1 year ago 2
evidence. You see, we atheists aren't afraid to accept and say that we don't know everything. Just because you don't know or don't understand something doesn't mean you can go around saying some magical pixie is its cause.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 18
why is it so hard to convey that concept to people with opposed opinions?
VincoEstMeusNomen 1 year ago 3
@mikerodeman, what magical pixie dust do you believe in that created the first SOMETHING? You being physical will give a physical answer and it will lead to nothing. Your beliefs in Atheism support that we are merely nothing and live a life of vanity. With that being the reality with your limited mind why even argue these matters? Just eat drink and marry (1 Cor. 15:32).
randyvild 1 year ago
@randyvild I just posted a series of comments in response to your comment right here. But I couldn't help but to notice that you couldn't make an argument to any of the six things I listed that were wrong with your argument that you made in the video and instead you said something that wasn't related at all to any of the first five things that I listed that were wrong with your argument and only vaguely related to my sixth thing that I listed that is wrong with your argument in the video.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild So yeah, way to go on trying to argue with me! You did a great job replying to anything I listed wrong! That's sarcasm in case you didn't catch it.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
*Correction* I said "You did a great job replying to anything I listed wrong!" That should be "You did a great job replying to anything I listed that was wrong with your argument!"
mikerodeman 1 year ago
@randyvild "what magical pixie dust do you believe in that created the first SOMETHING?"
Matter/Energy can not be created or destroyed, only change forms. Why is this incredibly basic, simple, fundamental law of physics so hard for you to grasp?
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
@randyvild Atheism and the big bang theory are two different things. Can you recognize that a chair and a guitar are two different things?
tallifer1 1 year ago
@randyvild Please cite your source on this. "Your beliefs in Atheism support that we are merely nothing and live a life of vanity"
tallifer1 1 year ago
@randyvild Stop quoting the fucking Bible. It was written by a MAN.
HayleeHalogenX 1 year ago 2
Sixth problem with this: You say "Leaps and bounds missing links you might as well believe in the sphinx. Your theories have holes, Darwin admitted theyre incomplete" You are absolutely correct. Science is incomplete. It shall forever remain that way. Science is ever changing and ALWAYS open to criticism or change if you can provide
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
your house and Nazis come knocking on your door asking if you have Jews in your house. I would of course lie and say no. But YOU would HAVE to say yes because lying is wrong no matter what, no matter how small it is.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
Fifth problem with this: You say "I dont know right, I dont know wrong so I relay on God. Who is your great moral authority?" This is simply bullshit. You can have morality without a God. I think killing is wrong, I think stealing is wrong, etc. But I, unlike you, weigh the options in each case and make case by case decisions. For example, I think lying in general is wrong. But let's say you were a German in WWII and you were hiding Jews in
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
Fourth problem with this: You say "Do you believe in Love?" Why yes, yes we do. Love is not invisible. Love is simply the reaction of your brain to a certain chemical.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 2
...."complexity of life and the universe" because we have a scientific explanation for that which is backed up with enormous amounts of undeniable evidence.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
Third problem with this: When confronted with the question "Who created God?" You say "No one. Gods not bound by the physical realm." Alright, you claim there is some sort of being outside our universe that transcends the laws of physics. It is not up to us disprove God, it is up to YOU to prove his existence. It is impossible to prove a negative. And you can't just go lollygagging around pointing out the
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
Second problem with this: When you asked "Then who created Science?". We created science. Science is simply the pursuit of knowledge. It is not a physical entity, so your argument here is meaningless.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
First problem with this: When confronted with "How can you believe, that a God exist?" You say "Just look around, and all the creativeness". By creativeness you of course mean complexity. Complexity can be broken down into very simple and small components that are explained with tremendous amount of evidence by science.
mikerodeman 1 year ago 3
@mikerodeman
"Just look around, and all the creativeness"
In addition the words that theists like to use to describe the universe in terms of creation are very comparative. "Creativeness" is a comparative statement comparing two or more things. It is a contrasting statement. You cant say something is creative if it is the only example known. One could also argue that the universe is also small...but compared to what? Another larger universe? These descriptive statements have no meaning.
epanek 1 year ago
"Obviously you have been, I am not stupid"
Have been what!? PLEASE start quoting me because I have no idea what you are talking about here.
"You are clearly proving you are not capable of discussions beyond science"
I will happily discuss any topic you wish.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago 2
I forgot, verichip is pure evil, and this all goes back to science being used by Satan.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"verichip is pure evil"
Now you're just going into crazy conspiracy theory territory. That's really a whole nother can of worms that we really don't need to open in this particular debate...
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago 2
We are on the brink of world war 3, are bein poiisoned in our food and medicine, soft kill weapons like the vaccine, endless war... I hardly consider this even close to a "utopia" or better than the past, it will always be like this until people turn to God, the true God. Not claim to and do the opposite, it has never happened and never will until people realize we are all essentially the same.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"Then who created science?"
lol. Both of these characters are morons and don't know how to participate in an educated discussion. Horrible arguments, it's like listening to children.
RussianAssassin21 1 year ago 2
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What did you expect? Both sides of the argument were written by a creationist.
Yeeksquilack 1 year ago 2
Atheism has caused more problems than it has solved by claiming science can't prove God, hence there is no God.
Atheism is responsible for deceiving many people.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"Atheism caused more problems than it has solved by claiming science can't prove God, hence there is no God"
Like what, give an example. If atheism has caused so many problems let's hear about some.
Science makes no comment about God and I don't know of any atheist who says otherwise. Stop repeating assertions that you can't prove.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago 2
I proved everything I say you just fail to acknowledge it. Atheism causes problems because they turn science into a religion and try to pass it off as fact.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
Bible has been flawed and skewed, even recently in 2000. This is proof of disinformation,and proof people are trying to hide the truth. Personally I believe it stems all the way back to Satan, but that is my perception. Satan wishes he were God, as do many people. I can prove the Bible has been flawed recently, everyone should be outraged, even atheist, but instead they used flawed scripture to justify their position. How can you be so sure of something when the information or data is incorrect?
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"How can you be so sure of something when the information or data is incorrect?"
How can I be so sure about what? I'm sorry, I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on what you are referring to by "something" I am so sure of... Thanks in advance.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
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"Bible has been flawed and skewed"
OK. Can I see a reliable version of the Bible anywhere then? You know, like the ACTUAL Word of God, uncorrupted by megalomaniacal jerks bent on enticement, deceit and control.
You are right though. The Bible, in its present form is rather... villainous.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
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brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
Proof of God is everywhere you look, it is in anything that is positive. By definition God is everything that is good. He is infinite, and infinite in many ways. I think it is safe to assume the universe could be infinite for that matter, and it baffles one to think how small we really are if that is true. How can atheist think science can prove everything when we are infinitesimally small.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
I also believe he exists as a single entity which is Christ or the spirit of Christ, and walked the earth and was sacrificed in physical form.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"By definition God is everything that is good."
The perception of good is different for everyone. Thus, anything defined as good may not be God. This is only one facet of a range of problems with that definition.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago
It is not bound by perception though. If you can specifically define good then it is a valid definition. That is the problem with words in general though, they can be sliced many different ways.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"It is not bound by perception though"
Then what is it possibly bound by? If god is everything that is good, but you can't define good, then there's no purpose in claiming what god is or isn't. You have no more a clue than anyone else.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago
"How can atheist think science can prove everything"
No atheist or scientist or anyone has ever said anything like this. Back up your assertion or let it rest as fallacy.
Science is only one factor that intelligent people use to form their worldviews. History and philosophy are just as important, if not MORE important since history seems to repeat itself ad infinitum despite any technological advances...
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
Well then it is either my perception, but many atheist do act like science can explain everything and b/c of science ther eis no God. Maybe you don't but there are still people who do. There are extreme religious ppl who don't want to look to science, as well as extreme scientist who don't want to look to religion.
History does repeat itself, but if people didn't reject God and lived for God and other people, the world would be perfect. There are plenty of resources for all
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"if people didn't reject God and lived for God and other people, the world would be perfect"
Oh, you mean like in the middle ages? Yeah, those were great times!
I told you history was important...
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
People don't live for the true God though, there are so many perceptions... that is why i said TRUE..... ther eare many false Gods and false religions.
When I said history I was mostly refering to the history of the Bible. History of ancient texts, history of symbolisms, etc........... it all means something it's just hard to put the pieces together because there is so much disinformation about it.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
People don't live for the true God... there are many false Gods and false religions"
How can you even say that? People live for the God that is true for them! If they didn't think their God was THE God they wouldn't worship him.
Most people from most other religions would fully agree with your description of God as anything and everything good in the world or just what any individual might describe as good to them. The only difference is they were born into a different religion than your own.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
History does repeat it self and we have become so much more advanced since the past. We have all this crazy technology and what not, but we still can't coexist with one another. If people didn't reject the true God, and want to be Gods themselves, it would solve pretty much all problems in the world.
Some people in the world are just greedy and want everythin for themself. They don't want to share, or believe in any sort of karma, or realize God has provided everything for everyone.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
If people didn't reject the true God... it would solve pretty much all problems in the world"
Completely bogus assertion. Everyone in Middle Age Europe followed the teachings of Christ. And life was still shit for about 90% of people. While in the modern 1st world, atheism is growing faster than at any time in history and life is still better than we could ever hope it to be. Not a utopia by far but I'll take it over pretty much any other society that's ever existed.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
"Not a utopia by far but I'll take it over pretty much any other society that's ever existed."
Exactly, and people want to call it the end of days. Try living back in the 1400's or 1600's, when some major fucking calamities were going on.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago 2
Yea but its not the same thing, and you can't prove death is the same as before life. How can you assume that if you never existed before this point in time. You just perceive death to be nothingness, but I can guarantee you life is eternal.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"you can't prove death is the same as before life." Why can't I? How exactly are they different? I can name countless similarities between the two and if we stop short of throwing around assumptions, they're exactly the same.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago 2
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Because whether you believe it or not we were all created specially for a purpose... whether people wish to acknowledge that or not is up to the individual, but we are capable for achieving anything in life and being perfect if we strive for it. Death is only the beginning. In death is death, that is your perspective, but the reality is in death is life.
It is your free will be superficial, but there can only be one truth that holds.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
Hahah no offense but you think so superficial as most atheist do. You didn't even exists until what 20-30 years ago, maybe more? regardless... you had no existence, you were created before you were born, regardless if you believe it or not, but you didn't exist at all until some finite point in time. When you die, life goes extends beyond the 3rd dimension. All atheist are stuck in the 3rd dimension, that is why they fail to see proof of God. Quantum science and string theory can prove this.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"you were created before you were born"
"life goes extends beyond the 3rd dimension"
Let's not make assumptions.
"Quantum science and string theory can prove this."
Can prove what? You just threw multiple assertions at me without providing a shred of evidence for any of them. You're simply talking at me at this point.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago
I'm not making any assumptions. Take 9/11 for example, it doesn't matter how much proof you have that mainstream media is corrupt and lies and deceived the masses.
However, it doesn't matter how much proof you have, people will still believe whatever the fuck they want to believe based on their perception. It is pretty much the same ordeal when discussin religion and God. Doesn't matter how much proof you have, people will still believe wahtever they want to...
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"people will still believe wahtever they want to..."
I don't entirely disagree with your sentiments, which is why the only way to have a level discussion on this is to eliminate conjecture and assumptions. If it's not rooted in facts it's worthless. I don't know of any atheist that wouldn't want to see proof of God if such a thing exists and if it's credible and holds I'd become a deist today. It's not like we hold unwaveringly onto our lack of belief.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago
You claim there is lack of proof, I claim there is an overabundance of proof, so it is in the eye of the beholder. Logically it doesn't make sense for God not to exists.
Basically from your perspectives you are implying life is meaningless, and the only thing to life is what we can merely see or prove with science. So what is even the point of living, some people don't even get to live past their 20s, 20 years is a very short period of time compared to infinity. ..............
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
We all have free will, but there must be consequences for our negative actions whether it is this lifetime or the next.
Logically it doesn't make any sense for there not to be life after death, or even death after death. Eternal death, not nothingness, in a negative void, the epitome of all evils. Evil extends way beyond the physical realm whether you wish to believe it or not, and can have heavy influences on peoples actions.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
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@xdyingfetusx69 "I claim there is an overabundance of proof." Then show it. "Logically it doesn't make sense for God not to exists." Let's hear this logic.
"you are implying life is meaningless" Not at all. "some people don't even get to live past their 20s" Correct, I don't follow your point.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago
"people believe whatever they want to..."
By far the most poignant thing I've ever seen you say...
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
Obviously you have been, I am not stupid. You are clearly proving you are not capable of discussions beyond science.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
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"Obviously you have been, I am not stupid"
Another example of why you need to stop being lazy and start using quotes. I can't even be sure what statement of mine you are referring to here.
Do you mean that I've been quoting you? I was not insinuating you you hadn't noticed... That wasn't my point.
Your second sentence is an ad hominem... how fresh.
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
"Because whether you believe it or not we were all created speically for a purpose... whether peole wish to acknolwedge that or not is up to the individual, but we are capable for achieving anything in life and being perfect if we strive for it. Death is only the begining. In death is death, that is your perspective, but the reality is in death is life."
This is all pure conjecture and does nothing to address my points.
dukesmaviddicky 1 year ago 2
But so is yours, why do you think I said that is your perspective? You cannot prove your point of view so don't see why you are approaching it as an argument.
Your view on death is one of the most cynical things I've ever heard btw.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
"But so is yours..."
I don't see how you can say that when I'm not speculating on the matter. I can easily prove to you how the two are very much the same, stopping short of making any assumptions. One could start by addressing the similarities between vital signs and then move onto brain function.
"one of the most cynical things I've ever heard"
It might seem a bit pessimistic, but reality isn't bound by pessimism.
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xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
There is proof of God all around, if people can't realize this it's because they simply don't want to, or are deceived/blinded from the truth. If Science can't disprove God, why do atheist claim because science exist then God probably doesnt. It makes absolutely zero sense. I think it has be orchestrated by religion and even some "scientist" to make people argue about petty bullshit so they can never figure out the truth.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago
It's ok for bigots to skew logic I guess. many Atheist are bigots but they have no reason to be. Their minds are closed, yet they claim to be the most self-righteous open-minded people of all... haha give me a break. When you prove they are wrong they just slander who God truly is, it is the only way any atheist arguments work, skewin perspectives to fit their own narrow-minded perspective. Their petty existence should be enough proof, but they rather wish they were God themselves.
xdyingfetusx69 1 year ago