Ayrton Senna, Mclaren, pole position Monaco 1989

[TheEnemyac130above]

the king doing what he does best senna was and still is my hero i was only 7 months old when he died :'( but at least he died doing what he loved there will never be anyone as good or even close to senna and the closest is shumacher may he rest in peace

[4Beloved]

One feels the Spirit of Truth in One.

May you walk in peace Ayrton.

[thehitchrules]

Senna still holds the record of 6 MONACO VICTORIES. A record that has NEVER been broken Senna was awesome. KING rain or shine , the POLE-MASTER and the undisputed KING OF MONACO. Huge loss of an awesome man and talent.

[mushrume]

@thehitchrules deff the pole master . vettel is 5 years into his carer with 27 . senna got 65 in 9years !!.

he will not match the consistency of senna. i too believe 6 times winning at monaco will never be broken .

senna just tried so much harder than the others . it's as if fear did not exsist in his helmet .

[hristoitchov]

@mushrume In fact Senna already had 61 poles in 7 years, at the end of 91. He took only 1 pole in 92-93 period (in Adelaide 93) because of Williams' total technological domination. His final 3 poles came in 94. One thing which has to be pointed out is most of Senna's poles were done when they used Qualifying tires, which nobody would practice on as everyone was saving them for their actual flying laps, so nobody knew how much grip exactly they would offer. Senna was able to feel how much.

[bob333336]

Gotta remember Monaco was longer back then.

[Bmwm6340]

he just knew how to tend to the limit

[Douglas6250]

That is an amazing lap time in 1989. I mean if there was an HRT F111 racing in 1989 it would dominate the first 4 or 5 races of the season perhaps, and then, being Mclaren, they would beat and HRT F111 in a 1989 car.

[VITRUVVII]

Put today´s pilot in one of those cars to see if he has skills to do that.

[superkryp13]

i miss these days of F1 when you had proper stick shift none of that stupid flappy paddles, when there was competition and not ridiculous rules it was all based on your driving not the computers

[terga1]

There is not one corner on the track that was not driven on the limit in this video.

[1906Scorpion]

Nowadays the cars almost drive by themselves. In Senna's time it was much more about skill than we see today. F1 is no more as fun to watch.

[benschreiner22]

@1906Scorpion well that about the skill is right. But I think that F1 cars nowadays don´t almost drive by themselves. This year you can see a lot of driving mistakes and sliding cars. I think that the driver is very important today. A good example for that is the McLaren Team. Two drivers, two different driving styles but both styles can lead to victorys but in a complete different way. So if the car drives almost by itself, there wouldn´t be two ways to drive it.

[1906Scorpion]

1 and a half second better than Prost. This guy was the ultimate Master of F1. No doubt about it.

[heavyaby003]

masterclass!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChuckFromNorway]

I always wondered how scary it would be to drive an F1 car. It must be a nightmare to drive at Monaco. No sandtrap just wall.

[MrTr0llol]

@ChuckFromNorway and very tight corners, small width, and no room for error.

[yokishore]

Wow...It means the HRTs and the Virgins would be good enough for pole in Monaco 20 years ago...Maybe they need to use a time machine...:)

[jimnebob]

More power, less grip, manual gboxes, no power steering, no gimics/tricks, less aero... just because the stop watch says a big number, doesn't mean its easier!! lol

[thehitchrules]

@jimnebob Very well put.

[lostwill86]

@jimnebob YES!!! drivers then litterally out their neck on the line

[BiggerThinking1]

@jimnebob Well said! I raced karts for nearly 10 years - my 200cc kart on old tyres did the same lap time as my 100cc kart on new tyres - but by god it was 3 times harder to drive! Similarly 2010 F1 may be a few seconds faster - but its MUCH MUCH easier than it was 20 years ago.

[mushrume]

i believe that tire technology has come a ways since the 80's and so has braking technology . this accounts for alot of the differential. the actual power to weight ratio is lower on the new ones. of course chasis technology and 2o0 years of data is helpfull also .

i just want more free engine reggs. like 3.0 tens max would be fine . and let them have un adultrated but non adjustable on the fly aerodynamics

and of course h pattern shift

that would be the balls

wide track too .

[FormulaOneFan4Eva]

It's like watching Mozart at work.

[Judginit]

The mp4/5 is easily the best looking most iconic F1 car of them all

[mallamoozoo]

In terms of power and weight - the 1990 cars were just as high performance as 2010 - evolution in aerodynamics and mechanical grip make the 2010 cars a little - not a LOT - quicker - but also make them a LOT easier to drive.

[Also, Monaco is so tight and narrow that the physcial width of the car (the wheel track width) makes a difference to the radius of the car's line - 1990 cars were about 75 cm wider and on corners like Monaco's 1st gear hairpins that gives an advantage to the 2010 cars.]

[tucker80801]

the 89 McLaren had more hp but alot less downforce

[jobrien2001]

Engines were much bigger in the 80s 90s. The McLaren had 1200hp engine... more power than today's engines.

In those days there were no gadgets that would help you drive the car better. Today is much easier to drive an F1 car than in those days.

[PuRPLENEMESiiS]

@jobrien2001 The Engines weren't necessarily bigger, they were just fitted with Turbo's.

[jobrien2001]

@PuRPLENEMESiiS Arent todays engines v8?

[PuRPLENEMESiiS]

@jobrien2001 Yes, but it wasn't until like... 2004 I think when they converted all F1 cars to V8 engines, im not sure like but its pretty recent when they were converted.

[PulletSurprise]

@jobrien2001

1.5 litres for turbo engines. 2.4 litre V8's, now.

Forced induction inflated the power figures to almost twice that of the current engines used.

[oktubre80]

Some were good...some were great...only 1 was Senna

[patrik1345]

@oktubre80

I (and i think pretty much everyone else) absolutely agree with you! How he handled the car is a delight to watch!! :)

[BiggerThinking1]

@oktubre80 Well said - in fact the word "Senna" should be put in the dictionary - meaning " a step above genius".

[gerico123454]

may be slower but took far more skill then todays cars

[henghengjiji]

he was 1.5 seconds faster than Alan Prost...

[PulletSurprise]

@henghengjiji

That was the year before.

[TheAktivision]

@arhavlisj Was*

[nitrotrigger]

You caneasily see that this car is the 3.5l naturally aspirated V12 from the air intake above the driver, in the 1.5l V6 turbo model there's just a roll bar, no air intake.

[mutechemist8]

@nitrotrigger if it was 89 wouldnt have been a v10?

[PulletSurprise]

@mutechemist8

The 3.0 litre V10 formula wasn't introduced until 2000. Before that, until the 1998 season, teams were using V12's, V10's and V8's.

[samsemtex]

@PulletSurprise V10s were pretty much the norm from 96 on. I think Footwork used a V8 at one stage alright but the last V12 was the 1995 Ferrari. Other than that it was all V10s until the V8s were mandated.

[PulletSurprise]

@samsemtex

1998 was the first season that had all V10's all the time.

Prior to that there were still a handful of teams using V12's and V8's like the ones you mentioned.

[nitrotrigger]

@samsemtex 1996 Footwork, Forti and Minardi used V8 engines and everyone else V10 engines, then 1997 Tyrrell, Minardi and Lola used V8's and everyone else V10. 1998-2005 V10 for everyone, and 2006 V10 only for Toro Rosso and everyone else V8. And I correct myself, McLaren used Honda 1.5l v6 turbo 1988, then Honda 3.5l V10 in 89 and 90, then Honda 3.5l V12 for 1991 to 1992, then Ford 3.5l V8 1993, Peugeot 3.5l V10 1994, Mercedes-benz 3.5l V10 1995, MB 3.0l V10 from 1996-2005, then 2.4l MB V8

[PulletSurprise]

@nitrotrigger

McLaren didn't field a V12 powered car until 1992. Before that, the last V12 McLaren GP car was fielded in the 1960's.

[Apoic123]

senna in a mclaren honda still ring fear in my eyes.

[comali2212]

I'd love to see his footwork, a lot of action must have been going on down there.

[casasbojorges]

Alguien sabe si Senna aun sustenta el record de pista en Monaco con pista Mojada?

[hihohihohihohi]

even faster than some cars this year in pole position.....

[PulletSurprise]

@hihohihohihohi

The very slowest of the slow cars from this year are still 3 seconds faster than Senna in this MP4/5.

[GOATAli]

Senna go the absolute maximum out of every car he drove.

Car for car there was no faster consistent driver than Senna.

[psession80]

is the perfect tour of qualifying?senna the great

[154arturo]

Grande Ayton Senna. Grande . Siempre estás  presente .

[nclshakedown]

Simply the best!

[Sadidaa]

amazing, really amazing... no word, just that i really like to see racing on 2010 with news cars...

[casser24]

sin Senna la F-1 nunca volvio a ser lo mismo, una despilfarre de pilotos europeos que nadie le interesa ver

[WatanukiF1]

Primera vez que veo un comentario hablado en español en la F1 de fines de los '80s... gracias por el video

[terga1]

Ayyy the turbo era.. Want it back.

[r0n12]

In 1989 they were no longer using turbo engines. Well, at least Mclaren wasn't.

[terga1]

@r0n12 Ye i know i mixd it up with 1988 my bad.

[sargatanas88]

what means "at least McLaren wasn't"? all teams were using normally aspirated engines, as turbo-charged engines were banned from that season on.

[r0n12]

Because I wasn't really sure if any other team was still using a turbo engine.

[m3e92]

@terga1 No turbo

[terga1]

I know...check the other comments, i mixed it up with 88

[bfk90]

H gate gearing, no traction control...mate those were the days! todays f1 is fucking piss! nothing you couldnt on the ps3!

[Forzascuderiaf1]

don't get me wrong it was a great lap

[Forzascuderiaf1]

compared to now it is slow he would be dead last but for his time it was fast its F1 look at how Ferrari and Renault did after stopping development this season

[Rivelution]

Of course its slow compared to today's cars, that mp4/5 is 20 years old!! Why would you be comparing old cars with new cars?

[Forzascuderiaf1]

just looking at how far f1 has come just hope that they stop limiting them so much now

[mallamoozoo]

Actually- 20 years ago F1 cars were not much slower than today's cars- the swimming pool section is remodeled these days and thats worth 2 seconds- probably only about 8 seconds slower. And even more importantly- they were harder to drive despite being a bit slower- BECAUSE they were not as good performing cars in terms of handling, balance, ride, stability etc - not just pure speed but controllabilty.

Ask Brundle what is harder 1992 or 2002 - 1992 by a mile!

[mallamoozoo]

I learned this principle of Slower = Harder (sometimes, depending why) in gokart- we (my dad and i) had 2 karts- his was a simple regular low powered 100cc kart and mine was a 200 cc twin engine high powered monster with 5 times the power (like a F1 V F.Ford). If we swapped the tyres so that he had good new sticky tyres and I had worn out hard compound tyres- they actually did the same lap time- but his felt like cruising on a lawnmower and mine a psycho wild bull - 10times harder to drive !

[pcmaranha]

@Rivelution slow? these cars had more than 400 more hp than nowadays, it's something like 1200 hp.. it's freaking monaco

[slovan0202]

@Rivelution

Are you serious? These cars had 1200hp. Cars nowaday have only 800hp for higher safety. Cars now are easier to drive. So we can say driving in 90s needed more skills. And this is Monaco! watch other videos.

[kallo182]

@slovan0202

What are you talking???

The McLaren MP 4/5 from 1989 have about 670HP, not more and not less.

And its about 10 seconds slower to the 2010 Cars in one Lap.

Next time proove your facts, before you try to talking Bullshit.

[InTecknicolour]

@slovan0202 yeah you're right.

they ran v12 turbocharged in the late 80s and early 90s.

they only run v10s now because of the numerous accidents and deaths in the 80s and 90s.

[sargatanas88]

@InTecknicolour a v12 turboacharged never ran, that would be a nonsense! in the 80s turbocharged 4 and 6cylinder raced, the maximum was an 8 cylinder Alfa Romeo which was not competitive.

[InTecknicolour]

@sargatanas88 yeah you're right, the mp4-4 was a v6 turbo....whoops.

[FormulaOneFan4Eva]

@slovan0202 - You're such an idiot.

The cars nowadays would be tactiley easier to control but no easier to drive on the limit. Cars nowadays are 8-15 seconds a lap faster than anything from the 80s even without the immense straight-line speeds and as a result, are much more demanding of a driver's reflexes and visual perception.

They're also harder to drive, physically, pulling an extra 2Gs than cars from the 80s. Also, the MP4/5 had 700hp, about 80 less than nowadays...

[rockplannet1]

@FormulaOneFan4Eva I wouldn't say they're that much harder to drive. These days drivers can rest their heads if they get tired on the side of the cockpit, before the mid 90's they had nothing to rest their heads on, often you could see drivers leaning out of the cockpit, exhausted. Then there's the manual gearbox. I remember reading about Mansell collapsing on the podium because changing gear was so exhausting for him.

[fedemoreno88]

@FormulaOneFan4Eva yeah, the mp4/5 had 700 hp, but the mp4/4 had 1200, a little more than nowadays cars. besides, if they are 8 seconds a lap faster is not only because of the power or the speed, that's too because of the brakes, the technology all over the car, its normal than 20 years after the lap is gonna be faster, but what harder to drive means i think before was harder, if you dont think so you should listen to lewis hamilton in top gear talkink about that mclaren. sorry for my english.

[LouieGee]

@FormulaOneFan4Eva You have to remember that braking was a far more demanding task (as the drivers had to slam it harder and longer). The cockpit was unconfortable and hot (much more than today) which meant more physical fatigue and fluid loss. Changing gears was a hard task, since it was manual and drivers had to change gears at about 2000 times in a single GP, which was not only tiring, but sometimes led to blisters and bleeding. Continues...

[blainyrules]

@Rivelution 1000BHP in quali isn't slow

[bob333336]

@blainyrules 1989 cars did not run 1000BHP in quali, these 89 cars ran the 3.5L V10's, around 700HP. And Monaco was a longer track back then, plus along with the fact that its 22 year old tech.

[xzinx]

@Rivelution that old car has 1200 hp =) faster than todays f1 cars

[F1archivesDotCom]

@xzinx No, it wasn't a turbo. It had a maximum of 680-700 in 1989.

[xzinx]

@F1archivesDotCom ah i thought the mp4 that senna used in monaco

[Forzascuderiaf1]

slow compared to now but great lap for the equipment

[vibeackermann]

how can you say thats slow look at the car bouncing all over the track

[mackey12160204]

great lap senna.

[vlado7777]

senna the best

[UltimateWheelman]

Love the way he dives into Tabac. Complete commitment. Typical Senna.

Thanks for the vid!

[GTAGIS]

Thank you for having noticed it. And look the way he passed into siwmming pool, the most difficult turn of this circuit(that now has been screwed and is by far more easy). Senna speed in that turn was only attained by the others in 92/93/94 ! They calculated that there was more than 0.5 sec diff between Prost and Senna only at this place. Which shows how Senna was superior.

[UltimateWheelman]

Indeed it does. I didn't know about his speed though there. That is very fascinating. Thanks for that. :)

[sargatanas88]

thats right. Senna was particularly effictive in a few spots: Casino Corner, Lows hairpin, swimming pool and Rascasse. notice how he is not close to the barrier in entrance of Tabac corner, some guys thinks it is important to be so close there, but Senna was't! he concentrated much more on the following swimming pool corner where he is only a few centimetres from the rail and let his McLaren really flying. fucking brilliant!