How can people say this is not practical in a real fight. It's all as effective as it looks. If you use it correctly it works. Using peoples weight against themselves and understanding the bodies balance is nothing new. It's used in MMA just in different ways, usually just in the wrestling. Example: If you lock up with some one and you are pushing them hard and they are pushing back hard, then all of a sudden you pull them towards you they will fall to the ground with ease (unless expected).
I love traditional MA but I really have to question how affective this style can be in a real life situation. I think your better offs with Hung Gar or definitely Wing Chun for sure
yea this form of style is a more traditional form nice n handy if your going do performances or stuntman for like fighting movies n some sort but really no good use in modern fighting liek you can learn some stuff that will help you in modern fighting thats no doubt
I like this video because it illustrates how wrong people are when they rip on wushu vs traditional. Go to 1:50 and see all of the reasons why those people rip on wushu in a traditional form! And now I must gloat by quoting a wise confucian master:
"Uh Uh and if ya don't know... now ya know! Uh" (Biggie Smalls)
Damn, I was looking for kung fu books online and saw the Eagle Claw style and remembered that I was taught this a while back. I was really good but couldn't focus, (being 10 and all) Even though it was years ago its still a basic instinct to fight like that,lol. It's a great style to learn and if anyone who performs martial arts to look into it.
@401poop mma is just mixed old styles, so no its not better. its just fighting.if u mix this with karate its also mma.so stop with the stupid comments.u mean cage fighting is better?makes more sense
With all the martial arts styles out there you need only ask yourself one question.
Does it work for you?
Its all very well respecting (and I do) this master and that master who have trained all their lives but lets face it we are all different and training in a style that does not compliment you may not be good for you or the style in question. Just move right on.
You should also think about the practical applications of your style and how applicable it is to your self defence.
I agree, plus there are different mantis and eagle claw schools. Still, from what I've seen, Ying Jow puts a lot of time into show gungfu, and sticking hands builds a superior hand-to-hand fighter. I vot efor Kwang-Sai Jook Lum southern Matis, practiced by the Chinese Freemasons in New York (Hung Ching, really just another tong.) What I've seen them do, I haven't seen elsewhere, and I mean internal styles too. Jook Lum has strong internal power! Master Mak (Mok Foon) is the best!
Extremely narrow minded comment. "Voting" a best master and comparing styles in in this manner is just an immature expression of insecurity on your behalf. No Disrespect to Master Mak. Southern Mantis is great!
Three-finger Eagle Claw is from the Southern Shaolin; Northern (Faan Tzi Ying Jow Moon) uses the fingers all aligned for greater power. I never saw them separated, like you're talking about, but of course there is much I never saw. If it is in the system, then Shum kept it secret or never learned it, because I specifically asked him about this technique, and he said that was Southern Style, not his school of Eagle Claw.
eagle claw didnt help yue fei's army become undefeated!.....if anything it was his famous spear techniques...i find it hard they fought other armys emptyed handed..lol
Look at all the weapons in Ying Jow. Of course, the speer is the primary military weapon, due to its range, power, ease of teaching and use. All military forces teach hand-to-hand. Ther eis always that day when the weapons are broken. Even the best warriors are occasionally disarmed, often through capture or simple treason.
Yes, people attack like psychos- especially soldiers I imagine which brings up the point that Eagle Claw was developed for war- a killing art, not a fighting art.
Ask him if the "Shums" were ever double-jointed in the elbows? my last name is "shum" and everyone in our family has double-jointed elbows allowing us to bend beyond the range of a regular human. ground arm-bars don't work nor does must of his elbow locking techniques..The double-jointed elbows allows us to throw punches stronger & faster with immense torque..
the vielder of the grappling skills is the one who is supposed to make the skill useful my friend. Thats why if you wanna have useful skills you have to work hard and you also need a teacher who can teach you. A well trained kung fu wielder will most probably beat up the psycho puncher
The Form looks great, but I would seriously like to see one of them in a real fight, though I know it's rare to catch on film. When people fight you, they're going to come at you like a psycho often times, with wild punches and full speed with anger and intent. I know from experience and it makes the average grappling skills useless.
The mix of eagle claw and tai chi would be of great benefit in chin na (grappling skills).However it is very difficult to get the grab on a psycho which is why I believe in a balance between training strikes and knowing the locks for infighting.Dont look for a lock But if the opportunity arises-Go for it.
I briefly trained under grand-master Fu Leung, and I can say from personal experience that he has no problem catching a full speed punch out of the air and applying any number of chin na techniques.
True. But if they try to grab you, you have a good opportunity to use grappling techniques. Plus you could always strike them to disorient them and then apply a joint lock.
To prevent controversy, its important to know that the style of Eagle Claw Master Shum teaches was passed onto him by his master, Ng Wai Nung who's master was Lau Fat Man. There are other lineages that may differ slightly and additionally there are even other Eagle Claw styles that developed completely independently. So to clarify and add to your statement..."as taught to him by his master, Ng Wai Nung".
It is a give in that a lock may not work. Also many people's joints are looser than others or their pain threshold may also be higher. There is always a counter to a counter. Many of the forms contain them or they are practiced separately.
Many locks can flow into one another, and so it's fairly simple to move from one lock to another if u have a good claw on their wrists or pressure points.
How can people say this is not practical in a real fight. It's all as effective as it looks. If you use it correctly it works. Using peoples weight against themselves and understanding the bodies balance is nothing new. It's used in MMA just in different ways, usually just in the wrestling. Example: If you lock up with some one and you are pushing them hard and they are pushing back hard, then all of a sudden you pull them towards you they will fall to the ground with ease (unless expected).
xblade6500 2 weeks ago
I love traditional MA but I really have to question how affective this style can be in a real life situation. I think your better offs with Hung Gar or definitely Wing Chun for sure
aikidoway71 2 weeks ago
yea this form of style is a more traditional form nice n handy if your going do performances or stuntman for like fighting movies n some sort but really no good use in modern fighting liek you can learn some stuff that will help you in modern fighting thats no doubt
TuskanyTV 9 months ago
This looks cool. Too bad it's not very practical in a real fight.
geniusiknowit 10 months ago
i just noticed how much he looks like mr miyagi
iHornyTroll 11 months ago
I like this video because it illustrates how wrong people are when they rip on wushu vs traditional. Go to 1:50 and see all of the reasons why those people rip on wushu in a traditional form! And now I must gloat by quoting a wise confucian master:
"Uh Uh and if ya don't know... now ya know! Uh" (Biggie Smalls)
zigzigerblat 11 months ago
i shall take to the streets and perform these feats... lol
hungbig 11 months ago
Damn, I was looking for kung fu books online and saw the Eagle Claw style and remembered that I was taught this a while back. I was really good but couldn't focus, (being 10 and all) Even though it was years ago its still a basic instinct to fight like that,lol. It's a great style to learn and if anyone who performs martial arts to look into it.
TheGuitarkid15 1 year ago
@TheGuitarkid15 I agree
TheMusicfriend 4 months ago
Great Vid, mainly the last minute...
JonYounghusband 1 year ago
eagle claw is a very real fighting system. once one learns it an master the aspect an concepts,principles it is very effective
TewaheDo21 1 year ago
Remember I was here.Thai
universetechnique 1 year ago
great video
bortomatcha 1 year ago
mma is better. that stuff looks pretty cool though.
401poop 1 year ago
@401poop mma is just mixed old styles, so no its not better. its just fighting.if u mix this with karate its also mma.so stop with the stupid comments.u mean cage fighting is better?makes more sense
yulaw3 1 year ago
i tink i taw dat old folk in an eagle claw movie
6SpAr6TAN69 1 year ago
With all the martial arts styles out there you need only ask yourself one question.
Does it work for you?
Its all very well respecting (and I do) this master and that master who have trained all their lives but lets face it we are all different and training in a style that does not compliment you may not be good for you or the style in question. Just move right on.
You should also think about the practical applications of your style and how applicable it is to your self defence.
MikeOldManHeanue 1 year ago
was that woody hearldson in the red?? lol
jebus419 1 year ago
which is better for handto hand self defense in combat? eagle claw or Wing chun?
GitanoRenegado 1 year ago
Master Fei would be appalled at this display.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
So you and General Fei are old friends?
FaJingPower 1 year ago 3
i like any style that ends the conflict with minimum effort and quickly.
anirokkfan 2 years ago 17
very cool, and rare style
you2306 2 years ago 6
This is awesome, I was just browsing random videos and stumble upon a video of my grandmaster.
b5201 2 years ago 2
mantis vs eagle mantis wud win
22kng 2 years ago
that's a lame comment,,, it's the individual NOT the style
FaJingPower 2 years ago 17
I agree, plus there are different mantis and eagle claw schools. Still, from what I've seen, Ying Jow puts a lot of time into show gungfu, and sticking hands builds a superior hand-to-hand fighter. I vot efor Kwang-Sai Jook Lum southern Matis, practiced by the Chinese Freemasons in New York (Hung Ching, really just another tong.) What I've seen them do, I haven't seen elsewhere, and I mean internal styles too. Jook Lum has strong internal power! Master Mak (Mok Foon) is the best!
bobbyboynyc 2 years ago
Extremely narrow minded comment. "Voting" a best master and comparing styles in in this manner is just an immature expression of insecurity on your behalf. No Disrespect to Master Mak. Southern Mantis is great!
jfu222 2 years ago 3
@FaJingPower 99% the The martial artist and 1 % the martial art
rockloverdude 6 months ago
THAT OLD DUDE I SO SICK!!!!! he just effortlessly pushes the other guy away everytime
JOPEYDOPE 2 years ago
I would like to know eagle claw 3 finger technique combo with tai chi in the same style. is there anything like that?
ChainsmokingPothead 2 years ago
Three-finger Eagle Claw is from the Southern Shaolin; Northern (Faan Tzi Ying Jow Moon) uses the fingers all aligned for greater power. I never saw them separated, like you're talking about, but of course there is much I never saw. If it is in the system, then Shum kept it secret or never learned it, because I specifically asked him about this technique, and he said that was Southern Style, not his school of Eagle Claw.
bobbyboynyc 2 years ago
eagle claw didnt help yue fei's army become undefeated!.....if anything it was his famous spear techniques...i find it hard they fought other armys emptyed handed..lol
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Look at all the weapons in Ying Jow. Of course, the speer is the primary military weapon, due to its range, power, ease of teaching and use. All military forces teach hand-to-hand. Ther eis always that day when the weapons are broken. Even the best warriors are occasionally disarmed, often through capture or simple treason.
bobbyboynyc 2 years ago
That old man at 2:10 is REALLY GOOD.
debunker1905 3 years ago 2
That's our Grand Master, Leung Shum.
ClaytonOT 3 years ago
Yes, people attack like psychos- especially soldiers I imagine which brings up the point that Eagle Claw was developed for war- a killing art, not a fighting art.
patbirder 3 years ago 2
Grandmaster Leung Shum is a legend of Northern Eagle Claw Kung Fu!HES STUDENTS AND MASTERS OF EAGLE CLAW KUNG FU owe him a lot!
seaferries 4 years ago
Ask him if the "Shums" were ever double-jointed in the elbows? my last name is "shum" and everyone in our family has double-jointed elbows allowing us to bend beyond the range of a regular human. ground arm-bars don't work nor does must of his elbow locking techniques..The double-jointed elbows allows us to throw punches stronger & faster with immense torque..
Wolfsbane909 3 years ago
the vielder of the grappling skills is the one who is supposed to make the skill useful my friend. Thats why if you wanna have useful skills you have to work hard and you also need a teacher who can teach you. A well trained kung fu wielder will most probably beat up the psycho puncher
kkeryerik 4 years ago
The Form looks great, but I would seriously like to see one of them in a real fight, though I know it's rare to catch on film. When people fight you, they're going to come at you like a psycho often times, with wild punches and full speed with anger and intent. I know from experience and it makes the average grappling skills useless.
richsifu 4 years ago 2
The mix of eagle claw and tai chi would be of great benefit in chin na (grappling skills).However it is very difficult to get the grab on a psycho which is why I believe in a balance between training strikes and knowing the locks for infighting.Dont look for a lock But if the opportunity arises-Go for it.
abraxnos 3 years ago 4
I would agree %100. Take it if it's there !
videoport 3 years ago
I briefly trained under grand-master Fu Leung, and I can say from personal experience that he has no problem catching a full speed punch out of the air and applying any number of chin na techniques.
BenIGreen 3 years ago
grand-master "Fu" Leung? Do you mean Grandmaster SHUM Leung?
videoport 3 years ago
No. I mean Grandmaster Fu Leung. There's not a ton of information about him online, but there is some.
BenIGreen 3 years ago
thanks for the info... I'll check him out.
videoport 3 years ago
True. But if they try to grab you, you have a good opportunity to use grappling techniques. Plus you could always strike them to disorient them and then apply a joint lock.
apostle74 3 years ago
To prevent controversy, its important to know that the style of Eagle Claw Master Shum teaches was passed onto him by his master, Ng Wai Nung who's master was Lau Fat Man. There are other lineages that may differ slightly and additionally there are even other Eagle Claw styles that developed completely independently. So to clarify and add to your statement..."as taught to him by his master, Ng Wai Nung".
palacio154 4 years ago
Hmm..so many styles so little time!i wished I could do all the styles lol!!
karrasge 4 years ago 2
i know how you feel i am practicing 3 at ounce
colten234 4 years ago
wouldn't wanna mug those guys
dragoons9009 4 years ago
My Sifu was the man on the left at 00:38 he is an excellent teacher straight from the NY
jtoadlol27 4 years ago
Thank you for posting this, it is refreshing to see.
ncbwilson 4 years ago
It is a give in that a lock may not work. Also many people's joints are looser than others or their pain threshold may also be higher. There is always a counter to a counter. Many of the forms contain them or they are practiced separately.
videoport 4 years ago
what if your opponent has a good energy with circling hand? what is the antithesis for someone who escapes chin-na locks
opticannon 4 years ago
Many locks can flow into one another, and so it's fairly simple to move from one lock to another if u have a good claw on their wrists or pressure points.
trivium666fan 4 years ago
This man is great. Now thats the real deal. Amazing fighting
mrpower328 4 years ago
Fucking awesome. That guy is the shit
gombis666 4 years ago
This is like very much. It has a little of everything.
palacio154 4 years ago