1) Can people *choose* to believe? They can choose to *act* as though they believe, but wouldn't an omniscient deity see through that?
2) PW assumes there's only one possible "god"/religion to believe in--but mankind has worshipped many 1000s. How can you know that *yours* is the right/only one?
3) It's hardly true that "nothing's lost" in believing: time, money, FREEDOM are lost.
4) PW relies on *fear of pain*--a poor ad for a "loving god"!
Best wastage of Pascal's wager (threat) I've seen. You've pretty much covered all bases. I think even most Christians now realize it's an asinine argument.
One point however. Literal hell is not held by all Christians---some consider it metaphorical, others say the hell threat was added by man. Catholics believe good being a good person will save you, Christian or not.
Ou you poor soul, you haven't done much study on religion have you? You are just going about "what if this was right or that was right", You don't bother to study to find out which one is right cos you are too lazy, so you come up with "what ifs"! I bet you don't know a thing about Islam , I can see it from the way you use, "what if "! Islam is the latest revelation from God telling people about the prophets sent before like Moses,Jesus,etc Torah was right , Gospel was right , Quran is right
"You don't bother to study to find out which one is right"
Because one of them just *has* to be right, right?
Lol I await your stunning, air-tight, argumentation that a specific *one* of these fucking fairytales is worth the ink it was written with. I'm certain it will impress.
Wow, you have so many misconceptions on this video that is hard to respond to all. There's no hell with fire, what we describe as hell is the absence of God. To be saved is not enough to hypocritically say you believe, you have to live in God's grace and the same applies to all religions, regardless their dogmas. Any person, from any religion can be saved. Pascal wager is not a reason to believe, is a reason to look for God, if you believe solely due to the wager, you're dammed. Open your eyes.
well, if such places exist, i would rather go to wherever is godless rather than have to bow down to tyranny. it would be like living in North Korea if the god of the bible or quran was lording it over you.
@fourbabies1 ""i would rather go to wherever is godless"" the godless place is the eternal darkness, in this place you are fully conscious, you remember all your life and all your actions, but you are alone, you know you're not alive and you realize there was a better place you fail to enter. You don't feel you body and all you constantly remember all your life's mistakes wandering what got you there. That causes un-surmountable agony that feels like you're burning inside, that's hell.
@dejesusluisx and where is your evidence for your extraordinary claims about an afterlife? has a spiritual porthole been opened for you to see or are you using a man made book as your source of information? like i said in my last post, i would hate to bow down in the face of tyranny and that is what your god offers.
@fourbabies1 ""where is your evidence"" is personal evidence, I experience it in a revelation. God evidence is personal, it will always be since this evidence is only revealed if you freely decide to believe in the creator. ""i would hate to bow down in the face of tyranny"" God isn't tyrannical, God is all loving. God doesn't demand worship, we decide to worship God out of gratitude once we realize his magnificence.
@dejesusluisx 'god' is loving? i apologise, i thought you believed in the god of the bible. that's the son of a bitch i was having a pop at. oh, and the islamic one.
@fourbabies1 "the god of the bible" you're talking about the dogmas created by man to describe the reality of a Divine Consciousness that was the first cause for creation and inspires direction and order in the universe. God existed before the Bible and before man. We in our ignorance had created thousands of dogmas and names to describe the ordering energy we call "God". What did goat herders living 3,000 yrs ago knew about energy, waves, quantum phenomena, gravity and electromagnetic spectrum?
@dejesusluisx "Personal Evidence" isn't "Evidence" by definition whatsoever, and "God isn't tryannical" Yea, he doesn't demand we worship him or we burn forever or anything, he would be a dick and totally a tyrant if he did that. ^ This is exactly why there is no "Magnificence" to realize from a creator.
@b33p3rz "isn't "Evidence" by definition" your world doesn't exist without you, so the most important definitions are the ones you give, not the ones given by others. "he doesn't demand we worship him or we burn forever or anything" that's a man created dogma, as I posted previously: "God doesn't demand worship, we decide to worship God out of gratitude once we realize His magnificence". Your bitterness is towards the man created dogmas, and not towards God. Give God a chance and you'll be free
@dejesusluisx That "bitterness" was toward what I perceived your position to be founded on.I have no bitterness towards the dogmas,anymore than say you would naturally as you oppose the restrictions therein.We only disagree on what we want from God,if there be one at all.I don't feel that taking a belief in a creator would set me free in any sense, when it would actually always bring you back to one way of thinking. I have no bitterness towards "God" because I don't feel he exists, >>>
@b33p3rz ""We only disagree on what we want from God"" then, what do you want from God? imagine you were God, how would you had handled it differently? ""bring you back to one way of thinking"" what way is that? could you please elaborate? ""I don't feel he exists"" what if you could actually know?, what if you could actually have evidence that will convince you? wouldn't you be willing to look? If someone told you God evidence is behind a door, wouldn't you be willing to open it?
@dejesusluisx I'm sorry I took a stance of bitterness to what I thought you were arguing for,but it was simply because I thought you were being influenced by the man created dogmas,but you also said that you can only experience God on a personal level in a revelation.What you describe isn't a creator that cares about his creations to damn the ones who choose not to take ambiguities and thought-filled silence as divine influence.I feel I've given"God"too many chances and now need to focus outward
@b33p3rz ""I thought you were being influenced by the man created dogmas"" I was a non-believer and had little knowledge of God's attributes but it was just after God revealed Himself to me that I began to understand many dogmas. God is energy, light, love, pure consciousness, and pure logic; God isn't angry, or requires worship, or jealous, or revengeful, or condemning. Some of the dogmas might not be real, but God is, and He indeed loves you and is waiting for you to sincerely open your heart.
@dejesusluisx Nope. Something that doesn't exist can't "love me" or "waits for me to open my heart". Let me ask you one question before I leave this video forever: Is there anything your future children/children could do for you to torture them forever? Hopefully you will say no otherwise you should seek psychological help but anyway, you're more moral than "God". If your god is so moral then he should have no problem letting me into Heaven despite me not believing in him.
@StrifeBlood ""Something that doesn't exist can't "love me""" Of course not, but you won't know until you look. ""anything your future children/children could do for you to torture them forever?"" God doesn't torture, you torture yourself. You go to God only if you want to, the eternal darkness is a default for an immortal consciousness that doesn't want to be with God. You can only go to heaven if you want it, and if you want it, you need to be in God's wavelength to be pulled to heaven.
It's hysterical to read these bald assertions that you have some inside scoop on how the universe *really* works and stuff that happens to dead people.
@RandallBeatley wrote "When Jesus died it wasn't suicide it was sacrifice"
What sacrifice?
He supposedly came right back to life, then ascended to the very thrones of heaven to sit beside himself as part of the magical trinity, where he proceeded to be worshiped by millions of people. If it really was a "sacrifice", (ie he suffered the fate of all us sinners so we could proceed to heaven), then he should be roasting in hell.
Like everything else in religion, it just doesn't make sense to me.
@rmcdaniel423 To start off with, I happen to be a "strong" Athiest as theists like to call us,but I have to point out one minor snag in your statement.
According to the alleged Ressurection of their Messiah He DID descend into Hell (albeit briefly) in order to 'Open the Way' as you put it. Though of course you are right in the fact that he didn't stay there. Now IF I were God I would leave that portion of 'myself' in Hell to truly be sacrificed for my Creation as you said.
Honestly...why choose this individual to rail on? He's probably just an average American, presenting an argument we've all heard, and you can either respond by inserting the atheist wager, or by agreeing. You're not about to convert (for lack of a better word) this man atheism, because he'll believe what he wants to, and you're probably not imparting new information on anyone viewing this. All this does is provide another thread for atheists to laugh at Christians. =\
im writing an essay on this subject. if you believe in got yet you rape and kill people will you get into heaven or will an atheist who is kind nice and giving to people? "if god and heaven were to be true" i think the atheist would make it into heaven
Religion is a crutch for those unwilling, unable, or too afraid to look into the abyss. Pascal's wager is the ultimate example of this. An insurance policy on your soul if you will. I hate using the example of the flying spaghetti monster, but it is just as legitimate as any claim to any other god. Such a silly, juvenile way of living.
Wait a minute...0:55 a smackdown on the what? "Roody-too candy-ass"? Dude, you might need to go back and watch a couple of Rock videos. It's "roody-poo".
StrangerInAStrangeLand's Wager : I wager that an omnipotent, sane loving god could not cause or allow anyone to suffer for eternity. I wager that if there is a god who causes or allows anyone to suffer for eternity, it cannot be relied upon to be omnipotent, sane & loving & simply cannot be trusted. If it cannot be trusted, it doesn't matter what humans do.
@Strangerinasland - Guess what there Bubba . . . you done made 3 real bad bets cause you gonna lose them all. BTW - there are no threats in Christianity . . . just promises ;-)
@GJacksonT yes the promise that no matter what you do in life, if you don't believe in jesus you get to burn forever (and vice-versa). That's a lot like me promising not to punch you if you give me 5 bucks. Your idea of a deity is an ass, and your religion is nothing but fear-mongering blight on the world. Unlike you, i stand up to tyrants, existent and non-existent, and their fearful greedy servants. Stop being a sheep, it only leads to slaughter.
@Roc099 - HaHaHa . .Wow . . you sound sooooo tough – AND you stand up to tyrants, existent and non-existent and fearful, greedy folks too? . . . Shaazam! I’ll bet you can whip your weight in Girl Scouts too. Hey Bubba, don’t let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. There is ALWAYS somebody in this world that is bigger and badder than you think you are. You keep talking like that, you gonna meet ‘em someday real soon! BTW – that “burn forever” thing – yep, you got it right on!
@GJacksonT I'll admit, I've gotten my ass kicked quite a few times standing up for other people. I've also made a lot of friends and gained a lot of respect doing the same thing. I'd much rather be battered and bruised, than suck your gods invisible dick, unlike yourself. Strength of arms never proves who's right, only who's left, and i think that shows your religion for what it is, savage and oppressive. Your fear tactics don't work on me, I'm not a coward.
@Strangerinasland – 2 of 2 - next to you and ate His lunch! You are without excuse – you KNOW OF God, Jesus and Holy Spirit and you choose by your own “free-will” to reject what is offered. You can only hope that you live and die and that is all there is. You can only hope there is no Hell. You’re supposed to be “the smart one?” Good Luck fella! Christians know better based on our relationship with the “who.” Yes, it’s a spiritual relationship based on faith. Something you don’t understand!
@GJacksonT You are a silly fool making asinine assumptions about someone you don't know. I DO NOT know your imaginary fiends exist & unti I KNOW they exist, I cannot reject them. Thet have NOT offered me anything.
@GJacksonT (cont) You cannot know anything by faith. Faith is not knowing. Faith is simpleminded stupidity & intentional ignorance. With faith there is absolutely no way of knowing whether you have faith in the right thing. You can have faith in anything yet feel just as stupidly stubbornly sure that you're right.
@Strangerinasland – 1 of 2 - Ah yes, the ole “me smart - ya’ll dumb” retort. Just “what” would you have us “think about?” Do we “walk by the graveyard and wonder – “is that it, is that all there is, a hole in the ground when I die?” And you claim “you’re not guessing?” Everything about your beliefs is based on a “guess!” You may know the “what” about religion and all the different doctrines, etc., but you have absolutely NO CLUE about the “who.” You wouldn’t know Jesus Christ if He sat down
@GJacksonT It wasn't a retort but simply an explanation. You obviously didn't think about it but only spewed out your vile bile in a kneejerk reaction.
@Strangerinasland - I did and yeppers . . . ya made three (3) bad bets – there are two (2) “I wager” comments and your conclusion – “it doesn't matter what humans do.” – The 66 books of the Bible (God’s Word) address exactly why your comments are wrong and much more. No matter what the idiot that made this video says, all the wishful thinking in the world won’t make the truth of God’s Word go away . . . no matter what you may think – Without Christ, you lose!
Still can't understand how belief ( or non-belief ) is a criteria for acceptance in the afterlife .... IF ( and that's a real big IF ! ) there is a super being that needs that kind of grovelling and pissing away your time on Earth ; then I don't want to spend my "afterlife" with that kind of ego driven, insecure, macho putz !
i understand the point he is trying to make, but the Jewish faith is the base of all religions, all of them came from it... Christ was a Jew, hence on the cross INRI meaning "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews"... so that was kind of a fail on his part
If the "evolutionists are true?" Do these people understand what evolution is? I guess these are people who were completely convinced by the crockaduck and the banana. It's okay. They don't have to accept evolution. One day it'll just weed out this type of retardation.
Somebody failed to mention to YEC that Asgard is the place you go after you die. Odin is your judge so be good to him, otherwise you might end up being one of Loki's lackeys.
Here's the real truth: God became flesh (the flesh of my asshole to be exact) and the only way to heaven is to give god a big kiss (but no tounge, you fucking prerv).
@MrCobra811 You're making a very common mistake here. Why do you think there are only 2 choices? Who told you that? What about "I don't know." What's wrong with that?
@kauzmic1 Why do I think there are only 2 choices ! Cos something its either created or came by accident, a chance ! The phrase "I don't know" Its absurd cos we know we have only two , Not even two but only one cos there has to be someone to create all this universe with its laws and the perfect place for life to exist , billions of stars and they don't collide with each other , it cannot be any other way !
@kauzmic1 Let me make it more clearer to you , We are either created or not created , we cannot say We don't know cos its one or the other ! We have to pick and choose from these two , if we are not created it means we happened to be here by a mere chance !
@MrCobra811 Thanks for clarifying. But you did say "God did it or it came by chance" which is actually a much more specific statement than "created or not created" which leads to many options.
No, if we say we are not created, then we simply haven't stumbled yet upon the process that would bring us about WITHOUT being created. Chance need not be the only other option.
@Kinin4 How can a process would bring us about without not being created ? Behind a process there is a maker of that process ! when it comes to the universe ou no there is no maker , DOUBLE STANDARTS
Just because you cannot fathom how something can exist without being created doesn't mean it has to be created. That my friend is called an "Argument from personal incredulity"; you Christians and Theists are very good at that argument. It is a fallacy.
@Kinin4 Something can exist without being created is absurd to human logic , therefore I reject it , same as I reject that 2+2=5 ! I ask HOW was a car made and WHO made it ! By the same logic I ask HOW the Universe was made and WHO made it ! Why do you only ask HOW the universe was made but never WHO made it ? Why can't we follow the same Questions HOW and WHO when it comes to the universe ? Because you are trying to deny something which common sense brings you there !
Why does it have to be a "who"? The Cosmos in all its bewildering and unfathomable beauty, complexity, and enormity is not comparable in the slightest with a greasy automobile.
Evolution refutes the "watchmaker" argument.
"Common sense" is useless beyond the singularity (a.k.a. "The Big Bang).
@Kinin4 Why does it have to be a who ? because we use the same logic for anything else we see , we ask HOW and WHO for everything , therefore I ask WHO and HOW for the universe also , unless is proven otherwise ! Can you prove there is not a WHO behind this ? Evolution is only a proces of HOW , where is WHO? If you don't ask WHO for the universe but for everything else you do ask WHO,than you are going against your own logic !
I am trying to put this simply so you can understand. Evolution powers itself; it does not need a guiding hand behind it. It works whether there is a god or if there isn't.
And logic does not work beyond the "beginning" of the universe; I have told you that.
Cause/Effect, Space/Time...all of our concepts mean NOTHING there.
@Kinin4 You are trying to say how it suits you ! Evolution is a process , that is affected by sun , earth and everything we see ! But someone has created this earth , sun , oxygen for evolution to take place ! For evolution to work , it needs water , sun , land , etc so who created those conditions for evolution to take place ? Ou I don't care who created it , I only need this part to suit me , therefore I can reject anything else !
@Kinin4 Why it has to be a who ? why are you not asking HOW and WHO for the universe same as you are asking for a car ? Have you observed the whole universe therefore you came to that conclusion ? why are removing WHO out of the picture , in what bases ? So we have to agree that it has to be something eternal , is it ? You call it multiverse I call it God , You say why does this multiverse which was always there is being called God , is it ?
The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. I do not claim that there CAN'T or ISN'T a who, I am asking YOU on what basis YOU assert that there must be a "who". I am waiting.
The universe is not like a car. We can observe the car being made, and therefore come to the conclusion that it was made.
The universe is different; it has different laws, or even no laws, governing its existence or creation. You are going in ASSUMING that there is a "who". That is bad science.
@Kinin4 The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim ! I am not claiming anything I am just following common sense , I ask How and WHO for everything , therefore I ask HOW and WHO for the universe ! You ask how and who for everything exept the universe ? give us proof why you have removed WHO out of the picture ? I am following a path of logic with everything , you come in the way saying why does it have to be a WHO ! why does it have to be a who for a car ?
There is no reason to believe that the universe was created by a "who", in light of vacuum fluctuations and the fact that normal laws are ineffective outside the universe.
Basic logic like the kind you are proposing DOES NOT WORK.
Even if you are "just following basic logic", you are making a claim. And this claim is groundless, as "basic logic", as I've said, DOES NOT WORK on the universe.
@Kinin4 It has to be a WHO same as there is a who for a car , computer etc You accept a WHO for a car , but You don't accept a WHO for the universe ! Why don't you accept a WHO for the universe , where is the problem ? is it because this WHO comes along with responsibilities , OU YEAH , we know it ! I keep following a who , which makes sense and have nothing to loose only Gain , You keep denying the WHO and enter hell fire ! WHAT DO I LOSE ? NOTHING ! WHAT DO YOU gain , hell fire
The Bible was made to Civillize Mankind ,Alot of whats writen in the Bible was writen in Stone by the Sumerians Thousands years Before Christianity or The Bible was even Thought About.I do Believe there is a Higher Power but not what MAN depicted in the Bible.I also believe we are in the End of Days ,To many Cultures Predicted the Same thing and its All Happening Now,2012 Are You Ready!!
So, in order to correct Pascal's Wager, I need the outcomes including Christianity, Atheism, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Wicca, Satanism, Buddhism &...aww, Hell, I'm not even going to TRY making a table including all the religions in order to do this experiment properly! There's what, over 500 religious denominations, INCLUDING parody religions, so if anybody can make a table with that many outcomes...all I can say is, you are AWESOME!!
@jblw189 this "pascals Wager" logic works quiet good when you prepare for exam, for example...there is additional stuff you could study but probably wouldnt be asked in the test but if it does you are prepared and know the answer, nothing really to lose
@Serpico261 - So, by your defintion, I should study Islam in case it is the correct religion? Wouldn't I go to hell for that? Or am I just "being prepared'?
@Serpico261 actually, you only win in pascals wager if you are correct, and follow the dogma. Ie, if you follow the dogma and are wrong in the end, the price y ou ve payed is wasting all that time in your life on the dogma when you could have done something worth your time. If you spend 5 total years of you life praying to a god that isnt there, you've wasted 5 years of your life. Maybe you culdve done molecular genetic research in those five years and cured a type of cancer.
00:43 NONONONONO. Thats the most anyoing fucked up stupid think they can say. If evolution is compleatly wrong and the big bang theory is simply a lie, that still doesnt make god real. Why can theists get this.
I could be wrong,I am okay with that.When I leave this mortal coil,and it turns out that there is some kind of all-powerful entity(or entities)and it wants to judge me,it can fuck off.Lived my life the best I could,I left others alone and tried to be a decent human being.If it gets all pissy with me because I did not spend my life kissing it's ass and begging it to spare me from eternal damnation,then I will gladly side with it's opposition.And who knows,maybe the Shinto faith got it right.
It certainly isn't. The world population is already past 7 billion btw.
Anyways, the difference isn't that great, and as it doesn't really matter for the argument whether the proportion is 3/4, 9/10 or 6/10 or whatever - what remains is the fact that most people on earth aren't christian.
Why did this 'hedging your bets' argument acquire any credibility? It's so obviously flawed if you're faced with an ALL-KNOWING being, that even theists could and should ridicule it.
@GiantSandles "Why did this 'hedging your bets' argument acquire any credibility? It's so obviously flawed if you're faced with an ALL-KNOWING being, that even theists could and should ridicule it."
Because you still have to believe, its not about fooling god its about giving up and buying into the delusion.l
Pascal's wager isn't really very good as an argument and I don't really know any serious people who use it. That's why I am surprised it is such a favourite target of the atheists. I suppose Pascal's wager is useful in getting people to think about the possible consequences and why it is important to take spiritual issues seriously.
@ukchristian28 maybe because there are plenty of un-serious people out there.
and by that i mean people who aren't as smart as you or me, who actually believe this is a good argument, and you can find bucket loads of them on this very site.
@ukchristian28 A high school friend of mine runs an international ministry consisting of 10's of thousands of followers. He and I had a little debate about god's existence and, low and behold, when I had him cornered he pulls out the Pascal's Wager argument as a last gasp effort. I was surprised b/c I thought he had better ammo than that. Bottom line, even "professional Christians" use it, so that's probably why atheists continue to hammer away at its overwhelmingly failed premise.
@TheDano1947 Eternal hell is a demonic doctrine that came from Greek philosophy into Christianity. It is not based on the Bible at all. It is the most sadistic concept imaginable and one way that Satan is trying to make people distort God's character. Google and read: helltruth
@JaguarJ0nes I wonder if I'll ever find an atheist who has the integrity to represent Pascal's wager truthfully (maybe some of them are ignorant because some Christians are also ignorant about it tho). See my notes in this video here (the video doesn't portray it very accurately either...I'm only keeping it until I have time to make one myself that is accurate...see the notes on the video..they are what is accurate):
watch?v=x-4PPpklDlw
The notes also resolve the different religions problem.
How can you seriously still be touting Pascal's Wager? If your rather ludicrous God turns out not to be true, there may be any one or more of a million OTHER deities who are going to be royally pissed off with you.
It takes a very special kind of idiot to fall for Pascal's Wager -- you, for example.
I propose we hijack pascals wager by replacing hell with climate change and then turn it back on the 'doubters'
I'm now going to try that transparent trick of asking you to thumbs up if you agree in a vanity fueled attempt to get the highest rated comment and massage my own ego!
i like this video, i think you panned it out really well. But, on 4:32, it's not completely correct. Jews would still go to heaven if Christians were right, just kinda late. they wouldn't burn, but they would have to 'miss the first quarter of the game'.
i don't want a bunch of people trolling this video and saying "wrong! Fail!" etc, etc... and im sure you don't either.
im a christian, but i like your video, it was educational, seriously.
Actually, they'll reincarnate as worms or some such, that's all.
Although one could use the Hindu doctrine that everyone should do as they are instructed by the gods, and the gods make sure one can find what their instructions are, they might as well get straight into heaven, because in Hinduism and Budhism there is such a thing.
From the video at 5:00 "and these are just the three major world religions"
They are the three Abrahamic religions, but major??
There are 14 million Jews on the planet - compared with 900 million Hindus, 376 million Buddhists, 394 million Chinese traditionalists...and at least another half dozen religions that outnumber Judaism.
Hey all of you evolutionists. Do you know what you are? You are government sheep. The government indoctrinated you and so you remain. You are just a bunch of government patsies. Can't think on your own and to cowardly too fight.
Pascal's wager is only effective at keeping the already faithful believing by appealing to their fear of damnation. Would an all knowing God really be fooled by some one who only pretended to believe but never really did? Believe is not a choice, so it would seem to follow that those who did not believe, even if they wanted to, would be sentenced to eternal torture.
Also, evolution and belief in God are not mutually exclusive, nor does evolution have anything to do with atheism.
Yeah Im a christian and Pascal's wager is not what saves really. These YEC poeple are people who taken an active interest In one aspect of our faith. There are plenty creationists "im sure" who dont hve to represent themselves in this sort of fashion. I would think the whole evangelical church are creationists. WEll anywasy I think you should understand that a true christian doesnt operate under the "pascals" eager philosophy. I would think most of them operate under trusting god and workinghrd
lol that guy at the beginning really looks the part of the sad, pathetic moron that these people are, I love how he gulps audibly at facing his "creator" the most obvious problem with pascal's wager is that anyone can make up any horrible thing they want and threaten you with it if you don't believe what they want, now if that is enough for you to believe (or pretend) than you'll have quite a job finding every horrible thing that has ever been imagined and putting your faith in it.
Christianity was created to keep slaves in line. Amazing that it still works. Biggest con job in history.
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Refuting Pascal's Wager (PW)--SparkNotes version:
1) Can people *choose* to believe? They can choose to *act* as though they believe, but wouldn't an omniscient deity see through that?
2) PW assumes there's only one possible "god"/religion to believe in--but mankind has worshipped many 1000s. How can you know that *yours* is the right/only one?
3) It's hardly true that "nothing's lost" in believing: time, money, FREEDOM are lost.
4) PW relies on *fear of pain*--a poor ad for a "loving god"!
lease2coach1 1 month ago
Lool this was fun
BloodSlut 1 month ago
Best wastage of Pascal's wager (threat) I've seen. You've pretty much covered all bases. I think even most Christians now realize it's an asinine argument.
One point however. Literal hell is not held by all Christians---some consider it metaphorical, others say the hell threat was added by man. Catholics believe good being a good person will save you, Christian or not.
socksumi 3 months ago
Just one question: what if you're wrong? ;^D
bestvalue 3 months ago
Ou you poor soul, you haven't done much study on religion have you? You are just going about "what if this was right or that was right", You don't bother to study to find out which one is right cos you are too lazy, so you come up with "what ifs"! I bet you don't know a thing about Islam , I can see it from the way you use, "what if "! Islam is the latest revelation from God telling people about the prophets sent before like Moses,Jesus,etc Torah was right , Gospel was right , Quran is right
MrCobra811 4 months ago
@MrCobra811
"You don't bother to study to find out which one is right"
Because one of them just *has* to be right, right?
Lol I await your stunning, air-tight, argumentation that a specific *one* of these fucking fairytales is worth the ink it was written with. I'm certain it will impress.
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago 3
Did anyone else notice that in the painting depicting the devil he has a face on his ass?
Ni73sh4d3 5 months ago
Loved the video! You'd be surprised how many evangelicals use this asinine argument, thanks for some counter arguments!
orwell9788 5 months ago
the quran says that belief in the christian trinity is a grave sin so maybe atheists have better chance than christians with regards to islam
MamaMario13 6 months ago
this was hilarious, especially 3:01. thanks for posting!
knifeforkandaspoon 6 months ago
@rodiel89 you are right dude, thor and odin are badasses, thor has a hammer, jesus has a crown of thorns.
Akron162 6 months ago
@Akron162 neptune has a trident, now thats badass
teedonster2 6 months ago
@rodiel89 Umm you mean Asgård right.
Hermoor 6 months ago
Wow, you have so many misconceptions on this video that is hard to respond to all. There's no hell with fire, what we describe as hell is the absence of God. To be saved is not enough to hypocritically say you believe, you have to live in God's grace and the same applies to all religions, regardless their dogmas. Any person, from any religion can be saved. Pascal wager is not a reason to believe, is a reason to look for God, if you believe solely due to the wager, you're dammed. Open your eyes.
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx "...hell is the absence of God."
well, if such places exist, i would rather go to wherever is godless rather than have to bow down to tyranny. it would be like living in North Korea if the god of the bible or quran was lording it over you.
fourbabies1 6 months ago
@fourbabies1 ""i would rather go to wherever is godless"" the godless place is the eternal darkness, in this place you are fully conscious, you remember all your life and all your actions, but you are alone, you know you're not alive and you realize there was a better place you fail to enter. You don't feel you body and all you constantly remember all your life's mistakes wandering what got you there. That causes un-surmountable agony that feels like you're burning inside, that's hell.
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx and where is your evidence for your extraordinary claims about an afterlife? has a spiritual porthole been opened for you to see or are you using a man made book as your source of information? like i said in my last post, i would hate to bow down in the face of tyranny and that is what your god offers.
fourbabies1 6 months ago
@fourbabies1 ""where is your evidence"" is personal evidence, I experience it in a revelation. God evidence is personal, it will always be since this evidence is only revealed if you freely decide to believe in the creator. ""i would hate to bow down in the face of tyranny"" God isn't tyrannical, God is all loving. God doesn't demand worship, we decide to worship God out of gratitude once we realize his magnificence.
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx 'god' is loving? i apologise, i thought you believed in the god of the bible. that's the son of a bitch i was having a pop at. oh, and the islamic one.
fourbabies1 6 months ago
@fourbabies1 "the god of the bible" you're talking about the dogmas created by man to describe the reality of a Divine Consciousness that was the first cause for creation and inspires direction and order in the universe. God existed before the Bible and before man. We in our ignorance had created thousands of dogmas and names to describe the ordering energy we call "God". What did goat herders living 3,000 yrs ago knew about energy, waves, quantum phenomena, gravity and electromagnetic spectrum?
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx "Personal Evidence" isn't "Evidence" by definition whatsoever, and "God isn't tryannical" Yea, he doesn't demand we worship him or we burn forever or anything, he would be a dick and totally a tyrant if he did that. ^ This is exactly why there is no "Magnificence" to realize from a creator.
b33p3rz 6 months ago
@b33p3rz "isn't "Evidence" by definition" your world doesn't exist without you, so the most important definitions are the ones you give, not the ones given by others. "he doesn't demand we worship him or we burn forever or anything" that's a man created dogma, as I posted previously: "God doesn't demand worship, we decide to worship God out of gratitude once we realize His magnificence". Your bitterness is towards the man created dogmas, and not towards God. Give God a chance and you'll be free
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx That "bitterness" was toward what I perceived your position to be founded on.I have no bitterness towards the dogmas,anymore than say you would naturally as you oppose the restrictions therein.We only disagree on what we want from God,if there be one at all.I don't feel that taking a belief in a creator would set me free in any sense, when it would actually always bring you back to one way of thinking. I have no bitterness towards "God" because I don't feel he exists, >>>
b33p3rz 6 months ago
@b33p3rz ""We only disagree on what we want from God"" then, what do you want from God? imagine you were God, how would you had handled it differently? ""bring you back to one way of thinking"" what way is that? could you please elaborate? ""I don't feel he exists"" what if you could actually know?, what if you could actually have evidence that will convince you? wouldn't you be willing to look? If someone told you God evidence is behind a door, wouldn't you be willing to open it?
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx I'm sorry I took a stance of bitterness to what I thought you were arguing for,but it was simply because I thought you were being influenced by the man created dogmas,but you also said that you can only experience God on a personal level in a revelation.What you describe isn't a creator that cares about his creations to damn the ones who choose not to take ambiguities and thought-filled silence as divine influence.I feel I've given"God"too many chances and now need to focus outward
b33p3rz 6 months ago
@b33p3rz ""I thought you were being influenced by the man created dogmas"" I was a non-believer and had little knowledge of God's attributes but it was just after God revealed Himself to me that I began to understand many dogmas. God is energy, light, love, pure consciousness, and pure logic; God isn't angry, or requires worship, or jealous, or revengeful, or condemning. Some of the dogmas might not be real, but God is, and He indeed loves you and is waiting for you to sincerely open your heart.
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx Nope. Something that doesn't exist can't "love me" or "waits for me to open my heart". Let me ask you one question before I leave this video forever: Is there anything your future children/children could do for you to torture them forever? Hopefully you will say no otherwise you should seek psychological help but anyway, you're more moral than "God". If your god is so moral then he should have no problem letting me into Heaven despite me not believing in him.
StrifeBlood 6 months ago
@StrifeBlood ""Something that doesn't exist can't "love me""" Of course not, but you won't know until you look. ""anything your future children/children could do for you to torture them forever?"" God doesn't torture, you torture yourself. You go to God only if you want to, the eternal darkness is a default for an immortal consciousness that doesn't want to be with God. You can only go to heaven if you want it, and if you want it, you need to be in God's wavelength to be pulled to heaven.
dejesusluisx 6 months ago
@dejesusluisx
It's hysterical to read these bald assertions that you have some inside scoop on how the universe *really* works and stuff that happens to dead people.
You have any more material?
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
@bowlsallbroken "You have any more material?" what to know the truth? you ask, I respond, even if it only serves to amuse you.
dejesusluisx 2 months ago
@RandallBeatley wrote "When Jesus died it wasn't suicide it was sacrifice"
What sacrifice?
He supposedly came right back to life, then ascended to the very thrones of heaven to sit beside himself as part of the magical trinity, where he proceeded to be worshiped by millions of people. If it really was a "sacrifice", (ie he suffered the fate of all us sinners so we could proceed to heaven), then he should be roasting in hell.
Like everything else in religion, it just doesn't make sense to me.
rmcdaniel423 6 months ago 20
@rmcdaniel423 To start off with, I happen to be a "strong" Athiest as theists like to call us,but I have to point out one minor snag in your statement.
According to the alleged Ressurection of their Messiah He DID descend into Hell (albeit briefly) in order to 'Open the Way' as you put it. Though of course you are right in the fact that he didn't stay there. Now IF I were God I would leave that portion of 'myself' in Hell to truly be sacrificed for my Creation as you said.
SciBishop 5 months ago
I love how god is a Aussie ocker "You used your head for something other than a hatrack."
Hehe, I spat my toast!
freakystyley4000 6 months ago
Honestly...why choose this individual to rail on? He's probably just an average American, presenting an argument we've all heard, and you can either respond by inserting the atheist wager, or by agreeing. You're not about to convert (for lack of a better word) this man atheism, because he'll believe what he wants to, and you're probably not imparting new information on anyone viewing this. All this does is provide another thread for atheists to laugh at Christians. =\
Grant692 7 months ago
religion is an exuse for ignorance- willy
bigwillchill 7 months ago
im writing an essay on this subject. if you believe in got yet you rape and kill people will you get into heaven or will an atheist who is kind nice and giving to people? "if god and heaven were to be true" i think the atheist would make it into heaven
bigwillchill 7 months ago
Religion is a crutch for those unwilling, unable, or too afraid to look into the abyss. Pascal's wager is the ultimate example of this. An insurance policy on your soul if you will. I hate using the example of the flying spaghetti monster, but it is just as legitimate as any claim to any other god. Such a silly, juvenile way of living.
shamz0rz 7 months ago
@rodiel89 I thought when they died, they went to Valhalla?
RealErffSrsly 7 months ago
@rodiel89 Hell yes!!!!!
Ni73sh4d3 7 months ago
Wait a minute...0:55 a smackdown on the what? "Roody-too candy-ass"? Dude, you might need to go back and watch a couple of Rock videos. It's "roody-poo".
DuhIdiot1 7 months ago
i have a deep seated rage to all those make the false dichotomy of saying evolutionist instead of atheist. Its dishonest.
1robopm 7 months ago
That guy says "evolutionist" as if it means that same thing as "atheist."
PerigrineENTRTNMNT 7 months ago
StrangerInAStrangeLand's Wager : I wager that an omnipotent, sane loving god could not cause or allow anyone to suffer for eternity. I wager that if there is a god who causes or allows anyone to suffer for eternity, it cannot be relied upon to be omnipotent, sane & loving & simply cannot be trusted. If it cannot be trusted, it doesn't matter what humans do.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@Strangerinasland - Guess what there Bubba . . . you done made 3 real bad bets cause you gonna lose them all. BTW - there are no threats in Christianity . . . just promises ;-)
GJacksonT 7 months ago
@GJacksonT yes the promise that no matter what you do in life, if you don't believe in jesus you get to burn forever (and vice-versa). That's a lot like me promising not to punch you if you give me 5 bucks. Your idea of a deity is an ass, and your religion is nothing but fear-mongering blight on the world. Unlike you, i stand up to tyrants, existent and non-existent, and their fearful greedy servants. Stop being a sheep, it only leads to slaughter.
Roc099 7 months ago
@Roc099 - HaHaHa . .Wow . . you sound sooooo tough – AND you stand up to tyrants, existent and non-existent and fearful, greedy folks too? . . . Shaazam! I’ll bet you can whip your weight in Girl Scouts too. Hey Bubba, don’t let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. There is ALWAYS somebody in this world that is bigger and badder than you think you are. You keep talking like that, you gonna meet ‘em someday real soon! BTW – that “burn forever” thing – yep, you got it right on!
GJacksonT 7 months ago
@GJacksonT I'll admit, I've gotten my ass kicked quite a few times standing up for other people. I've also made a lot of friends and gained a lot of respect doing the same thing. I'd much rather be battered and bruised, than suck your gods invisible dick, unlike yourself. Strength of arms never proves who's right, only who's left, and i think that shows your religion for what it is, savage and oppressive. Your fear tactics don't work on me, I'm not a coward.
Roc099 7 months ago 10
@GJacksonT Actually, I'm not guessing. It's intended to be something to think about. I knew, of course, it would be beyond many people's ability.
You're the 1 who's lost.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@Strangerinasland – 2 of 2 - next to you and ate His lunch! You are without excuse – you KNOW OF God, Jesus and Holy Spirit and you choose by your own “free-will” to reject what is offered. You can only hope that you live and die and that is all there is. You can only hope there is no Hell. You’re supposed to be “the smart one?” Good Luck fella! Christians know better based on our relationship with the “who.” Yes, it’s a spiritual relationship based on faith. Something you don’t understand!
GJacksonT 7 months ago
@GJacksonT You are a silly fool making asinine assumptions about someone you don't know. I DO NOT know your imaginary fiends exist & unti I KNOW they exist, I cannot reject them. Thet have NOT offered me anything.
Your only hope seems to be a lobotomy.
You cannot know anything by faith. (cont)
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@GJacksonT (cont) You cannot know anything by faith. Faith is not knowing. Faith is simpleminded stupidity & intentional ignorance. With faith there is absolutely no way of knowing whether you have faith in the right thing. You can have faith in anything yet feel just as stupidly stubbornly sure that you're right.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@Strangerinasland – 1 of 2 - Ah yes, the ole “me smart - ya’ll dumb” retort. Just “what” would you have us “think about?” Do we “walk by the graveyard and wonder – “is that it, is that all there is, a hole in the ground when I die?” And you claim “you’re not guessing?” Everything about your beliefs is based on a “guess!” You may know the “what” about religion and all the different doctrines, etc., but you have absolutely NO CLUE about the “who.” You wouldn’t know Jesus Christ if He sat down
GJacksonT 7 months ago
@GJacksonT It wasn't a retort but simply an explanation. You obviously didn't think about it but only spewed out your vile bile in a kneejerk reaction.
You know next to nothing about my beliefs.
YOU wouldn't know Jesus if he sat next to you.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@GJacksonT BTW, you might try recounting.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@Strangerinasland - I did and yeppers . . . ya made three (3) bad bets – there are two (2) “I wager” comments and your conclusion – “it doesn't matter what humans do.” – The 66 books of the Bible (God’s Word) address exactly why your comments are wrong and much more. No matter what the idiot that made this video says, all the wishful thinking in the world won’t make the truth of God’s Word go away . . . no matter what you may think – Without Christ, you lose!
GJacksonT 7 months ago
@GJacksonT You counted wrong.
All the wishful thinking in the world will not make the Holy Babble reliable or make your imaginary fiends actually exist.
No matter what you "think", you lose until you actually start thinking critically.
You make yourself out to be an insecure blowhard with a small frightened child crying to get out.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
Brilliant!
246scully 8 months ago
heaven and hell... lol what a bullshit idiotic concept
fourtywpm 8 months ago
Still can't understand how belief ( or non-belief ) is a criteria for acceptance in the afterlife .... IF ( and that's a real big IF ! ) there is a super being that needs that kind of grovelling and pissing away your time on Earth ; then I don't want to spend my "afterlife" with that kind of ego driven, insecure, macho putz !
curiousgeorge1940 8 months ago 2
Those "things" are my favorite!
HubbellKent 8 months ago
This clip made my day. Love your work sir
TheVanillazilla 8 months ago
i understand the point he is trying to make, but the Jewish faith is the base of all religions, all of them came from it... Christ was a Jew, hence on the cross INRI meaning "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews"... so that was kind of a fail on his part
regalstudent1 8 months ago
@regalstudent1 i don't think taoism came from the jewish faith...you're an idiot for saying what you did.
domclarke92 7 months ago
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@regalstudent1 How many religions are you aware of?
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@regalstudent1
Ancient Greek, Egyptian, and Mesopotamian mythologies came before Judaism, and most Asian religions have absolutely nothing to do with Judaism.
joshmonster94 7 months ago
Scientology is a picture of money,... hilarious.
igotsachubby 8 months ago
Pascal's Wager: "I will believe in God, not because God is believable, but because I have an irrational fear."
If you ever use Pascal's Wager, you've already assumed that God is not believable.
TuahShinguru 8 months ago
Best. Video. Ever.
Deanbass77 8 months ago
Holy shit, what a poor specimen of the human species.. A fly could scare that guy, and an ant could kick his ass.
Deanbass77 8 months ago
that was great had my self a good chuckle there
ziasyn 9 months ago
If the "evolutionists are true?" Do these people understand what evolution is? I guess these are people who were completely convinced by the crockaduck and the banana. It's okay. They don't have to accept evolution. One day it'll just weed out this type of retardation.
samuraivagrant 9 months ago
If a frog had wings........
JustinBringit 9 months ago
Powaqqatsi
L0rdR4hl 9 months ago
My YEC doesn't know how to learn any new tricks...
NewVinland 9 months ago
@rodiel89 Live here in Earth forever would be already better.
Lascalla 9 months ago
oh way more burn than that. bible and quran indicate 1 out of about 100000 make it to heaven.so many of all religions burn burn burn.
edmoochie 9 months ago
@edmoochie bible and the quran say that? where?
i'm just curious.
OyonTheAdept 8 months ago
@OyonTheAdept If I remember correctly from my bible-thumping days, it makes reference to how few people get into heaven in the book of revelation.
Deanbass77 8 months ago
Somebody failed to mention to YEC that Asgard is the place you go after you die. Odin is your judge so be good to him, otherwise you might end up being one of Loki's lackeys.
ILike2DrinkAlot 9 months ago
Here's the real truth: God became flesh (the flesh of my asshole to be exact) and the only way to heaven is to give god a big kiss (but no tounge, you fucking prerv).
canisdormit 9 months ago
wisdom and humility go hand in hand
p.s. why not just write own, instead of pwn? THAT confuses me!
helpmetony 9 months ago
I can't understand complex things therefore god did it.
gimmepassword 10 months ago 55
@gimmepassword God did it or it came by a chance , one or the other pick and choose !
MrCobra811 4 months ago
@MrCobra811 You're making a very common mistake here. Why do you think there are only 2 choices? Who told you that? What about "I don't know." What's wrong with that?
kauzmic1 4 months ago
@kauzmic1 Why do I think there are only 2 choices ! Cos something its either created or came by accident, a chance ! The phrase "I don't know" Its absurd cos we know we have only two , Not even two but only one cos there has to be someone to create all this universe with its laws and the perfect place for life to exist , billions of stars and they don't collide with each other , it cannot be any other way !
MrCobra811 4 months ago
@kauzmic1 Let me make it more clearer to you , We are either created or not created , we cannot say We don't know cos its one or the other ! We have to pick and choose from these two , if we are not created it means we happened to be here by a mere chance !
MrCobra811 4 months ago
@MrCobra811 Thanks for clarifying. But you did say "God did it or it came by chance" which is actually a much more specific statement than "created or not created" which leads to many options.
kauzmic1 4 months ago
@kauzmic1 What other options are there ?
MrCobra811 4 months ago
@MrCobra811
No, if we say we are not created, then we simply haven't stumbled yet upon the process that would bring us about WITHOUT being created. Chance need not be the only other option.
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 How can a process would bring us about without not being created ? Behind a process there is a maker of that process ! when it comes to the universe ou no there is no maker , DOUBLE STANDARTS
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
Just because you cannot fathom how something can exist without being created doesn't mean it has to be created. That my friend is called an "Argument from personal incredulity"; you Christians and Theists are very good at that argument. It is a fallacy.
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 Something can exist without being created is absurd to human logic , therefore I reject it , same as I reject that 2+2=5 ! I ask HOW was a car made and WHO made it ! By the same logic I ask HOW the Universe was made and WHO made it ! Why do you only ask HOW the universe was made but never WHO made it ? Why can't we follow the same Questions HOW and WHO when it comes to the universe ? Because you are trying to deny something which common sense brings you there !
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
Why does it have to be a "who"? The Cosmos in all its bewildering and unfathomable beauty, complexity, and enormity is not comparable in the slightest with a greasy automobile.
Evolution refutes the "watchmaker" argument.
"Common sense" is useless beyond the singularity (a.k.a. "The Big Bang).
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 Why does it have to be a who ? because we use the same logic for anything else we see , we ask HOW and WHO for everything , therefore I ask WHO and HOW for the universe also , unless is proven otherwise ! Can you prove there is not a WHO behind this ? Evolution is only a proces of HOW , where is WHO? If you don't ask WHO for the universe but for everything else you do ask WHO,than you are going against your own logic !
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
I am trying to put this simply so you can understand. Evolution powers itself; it does not need a guiding hand behind it. It works whether there is a god or if there isn't.
And logic does not work beyond the "beginning" of the universe; I have told you that.
Cause/Effect, Space/Time...all of our concepts mean NOTHING there.
THAT is my logic, and I do not "go against it".
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 You are trying to say how it suits you ! Evolution is a process , that is affected by sun , earth and everything we see ! But someone has created this earth , sun , oxygen for evolution to take place ! For evolution to work , it needs water , sun , land , etc so who created those conditions for evolution to take place ? Ou I don't care who created it , I only need this part to suit me , therefore I can reject anything else !
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
Why does it have to be a "who"?
And why does the infinite regress not work?
Why can't the universe be the first-cause?
If there is a first-cause, why must it be a god?
Can't there be multiple "uncaused-causes"?
Anyways, the whole "something can't come from nothing" law doesn't work outside the universe. Also, see "Vacuum Fluctuations".
Your argument is fallacious; it's an argument from personal incredulity.
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 Why it has to be a who ? why are you not asking HOW and WHO for the universe same as you are asking for a car ? Have you observed the whole universe therefore you came to that conclusion ? why are removing WHO out of the picture , in what bases ? So we have to agree that it has to be something eternal , is it ? You call it multiverse I call it God , You say why does this multiverse which was always there is being called God , is it ?
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. I do not claim that there CAN'T or ISN'T a who, I am asking YOU on what basis YOU assert that there must be a "who". I am waiting.
The universe is not like a car. We can observe the car being made, and therefore come to the conclusion that it was made.
The universe is different; it has different laws, or even no laws, governing its existence or creation. You are going in ASSUMING that there is a "who". That is bad science.
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim ! I am not claiming anything I am just following common sense , I ask How and WHO for everything , therefore I ask HOW and WHO for the universe ! You ask how and who for everything exept the universe ? give us proof why you have removed WHO out of the picture ? I am following a path of logic with everything , you come in the way saying why does it have to be a WHO ! why does it have to be a who for a car ?
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
And until you demonstrate that there HAS to be a "who", I am perfectly free to reject that assertion and be an atheist.
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4
There is no reason to believe that the universe was created by a "who", in light of vacuum fluctuations and the fact that normal laws are ineffective outside the universe.
Basic logic like the kind you are proposing DOES NOT WORK.
Even if you are "just following basic logic", you are making a claim. And this claim is groundless, as "basic logic", as I've said, DOES NOT WORK on the universe.
You are either joking or being disingenuous.
Kinin4 3 months ago
@Kinin4 It has to be a WHO same as there is a who for a car , computer etc You accept a WHO for a car , but You don't accept a WHO for the universe ! Why don't you accept a WHO for the universe , where is the problem ? is it because this WHO comes along with responsibilities , OU YEAH , we know it ! I keep following a who , which makes sense and have nothing to loose only Gain , You keep denying the WHO and enter hell fire ! WHAT DO I LOSE ? NOTHING ! WHAT DO YOU gain , hell fire
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811
You lost all credibility when you:
1.) Assume basic human logic and principles apply to the creation of the universe.
2.) Brought in Pascal's Wager, what this VERY VIDEO WE'RE COMMENTING ON debunks.
Kinin4 3 months ago 4
@MrCobra811 You are an idiot.
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The Bible was made to Civillize Mankind ,Alot of whats writen in the Bible was writen in Stone by the Sumerians Thousands years Before Christianity or The Bible was even Thought About.I do Believe there is a Higher Power but not what MAN depicted in the Bible.I also believe we are in the End of Days ,To many Cultures Predicted the Same thing and its All Happening Now,2012 Are You Ready!!
whitewolfen68 10 months ago
i really hate the way you speak. you sound like a freakin robot. and this video made me want to go to sleep.
evilcupcake813 10 months ago
So, in order to correct Pascal's Wager, I need the outcomes including Christianity, Atheism, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Wicca, Satanism, Buddhism &...aww, Hell, I'm not even going to TRY making a table including all the religions in order to do this experiment properly! There's what, over 500 religious denominations, INCLUDING parody religions, so if anybody can make a table with that many outcomes...all I can say is, you are AWESOME!!
Tarynus 10 months ago
An Atheist answer to Pascal's Wager- Do you really think an omnipotent being wouldn't know you were just playing the odds?
jblw189 10 months ago
@jblw189 this "pascals Wager" logic works quiet good when you prepare for exam, for example...there is additional stuff you could study but probably wouldnt be asked in the test but if it does you are prepared and know the answer, nothing really to lose
this logic works good in the natural world :-)
Serpico261 10 months ago
@Serpico261 - So, by your defintion, I should study Islam in case it is the correct religion? Wouldn't I go to hell for that? Or am I just "being prepared'?
jblw189 10 months ago
@jblw189 "So, by your defintion, I should study Islam in case it is the correct religion?"
why should any reasonable person waste his time to study this disgusting shit?
Serpico261 10 months ago
@Serpico261 actually, you only win in pascals wager if you are correct, and follow the dogma. Ie, if you follow the dogma and are wrong in the end, the price y ou ve payed is wasting all that time in your life on the dogma when you could have done something worth your time. If you spend 5 total years of you life praying to a god that isnt there, you've wasted 5 years of your life. Maybe you culdve done molecular genetic research in those five years and cured a type of cancer.
canisdormit 9 months ago
"hey you, you use ya head for somethin' otha than a hat rack, in ya go!" lol
stoltobot 10 months ago
00:43 NONONONONO. Thats the most anyoing fucked up stupid think they can say. If evolution is compleatly wrong and the big bang theory is simply a lie, that still doesnt make god real. Why can theists get this.
gulbirk 10 months ago
@rodiel89 Drinking, feasting, fighting and fucking until the end of times..
Hel yeah!
Squiglypig 10 months ago
lesson 69
hehe
anvita99 10 months ago
Just say Why don't you believe in Lord Brahma modern science astronomy, biology and geology conform to Hindu beliefs.
ganados0 10 months ago
I could be wrong,I am okay with that.When I leave this mortal coil,and it turns out that there is some kind of all-powerful entity(or entities)and it wants to judge me,it can fuck off.Lived my life the best I could,I left others alone and tried to be a decent human being.If it gets all pissy with me because I did not spend my life kissing it's ass and begging it to spare me from eternal damnation,then I will gladly side with it's opposition.And who knows,maybe the Shinto faith got it right.
Pancerni 11 months ago
Imma be the math nerd here and call BS on your claim that 4 out of every 5 people aren't Christian. 4.5 to 6 is not the same proportion as 4 to 5.
ThatGuyWithHippyHair 11 months ago
@ThatGuyWithHippyHair
It certainly isn't. The world population is already past 7 billion btw.
Anyways, the difference isn't that great, and as it doesn't really matter for the argument whether the proportion is 3/4, 9/10 or 6/10 or whatever - what remains is the fact that most people on earth aren't christian.
narutofan9999 10 months ago
I love this video. I really do! Cheers to you for making it!
paintballer9110 11 months ago
Why did this 'hedging your bets' argument acquire any credibility? It's so obviously flawed if you're faced with an ALL-KNOWING being, that even theists could and should ridicule it.
GiantSandles 11 months ago
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@GiantSandles "Why did this 'hedging your bets' argument acquire any credibility? It's so obviously flawed if you're faced with an ALL-KNOWING being, that even theists could and should ridicule it."
Because you still have to believe, its not about fooling god its about giving up and buying into the delusion.l
hawklord2001 10 months ago
Pascal's wager isn't really very good as an argument and I don't really know any serious people who use it. That's why I am surprised it is such a favourite target of the atheists. I suppose Pascal's wager is useful in getting people to think about the possible consequences and why it is important to take spiritual issues seriously.
ukchristian28 11 months ago
@ukchristian28 maybe because there are plenty of un-serious people out there.
and by that i mean people who aren't as smart as you or me, who actually believe this is a good argument, and you can find bucket loads of them on this very site.
webmaster2089 11 months ago
@ukchristian28 A high school friend of mine runs an international ministry consisting of 10's of thousands of followers. He and I had a little debate about god's existence and, low and behold, when I had him cornered he pulls out the Pascal's Wager argument as a last gasp effort. I was surprised b/c I thought he had better ammo than that. Bottom line, even "professional Christians" use it, so that's probably why atheists continue to hammer away at its overwhelmingly failed premise.
nycgroove1 11 months ago
INTELLIGENT CREATOR MY ASS, IF YOU SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY THEN THIS GOD CAN'T BE VERY INTELLIGENT OR COMPASSIONATE.
TheDano1947 11 months ago
@TheDano1947 Eternal hell is a demonic doctrine that came from Greek philosophy into Christianity. It is not based on the Bible at all. It is the most sadistic concept imaginable and one way that Satan is trying to make people distort God's character. Google and read: helltruth
for more on this or see my playlist on hell.
TruthIsLife7 11 months ago
@JaguarJ0nes I wonder if I'll ever find an atheist who has the integrity to represent Pascal's wager truthfully (maybe some of them are ignorant because some Christians are also ignorant about it tho). See my notes in this video here (the video doesn't portray it very accurately either...I'm only keeping it until I have time to make one myself that is accurate...see the notes on the video..they are what is accurate):
watch?v=x-4PPpklDlw
The notes also resolve the different religions problem.
TruthIsLife7 11 months ago
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@TruthIsLife7
How can you seriously still be touting Pascal's Wager? If your rather ludicrous God turns out not to be true, there may be any one or more of a million OTHER deities who are going to be royally pissed off with you.
It takes a very special kind of idiot to fall for Pascal's Wager -- you, for example.
DocReasonable 11 months ago
Get in good with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so as not to be ushered out into a Chef Boyardeeless eternity at the end of your life.
Teflon65 11 months ago
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TruthIsLife7 11 months ago
I propose we hijack pascals wager by replacing hell with climate change and then turn it back on the 'doubters'
I'm now going to try that transparent trick of asking you to thumbs up if you agree in a vanity fueled attempt to get the highest rated comment and massage my own ego!
acme181169 11 months ago
you left out the idea of a god that doesnt use heaven or hell. Or a god who send everyone to hell, LOL.
gulbirk 1 year ago
6:09 FAG SWEDEN! this shit is great! never get tired of it! godhatestheworld com /sweden /index.html
siggevid 1 year ago
Is there a reason the order of tags at the end is: gay, fag, homosexuality, dprjones? Is it because of that video of him wearing a bra?
ohb54 1 year ago
IF - there is a Creator - he/she/it/they made us with free will. That's the limit of their involvement in our lives.
willsk8zero 1 year ago
@jaguarJ0nes just one, small, tiny thing.
i like this video, i think you panned it out really well. But, on 4:32, it's not completely correct. Jews would still go to heaven if Christians were right, just kinda late. they wouldn't burn, but they would have to 'miss the first quarter of the game'.
i don't want a bunch of people trolling this video and saying "wrong! Fail!" etc, etc... and im sure you don't either.
im a christian, but i like your video, it was educational, seriously.
Jesus loves u
MrDerby2u 1 year ago
Believing in god is such a self-centered idea. As if some superman in the sky would give a flying fuck about your insignificant existence.
VesusSheist 1 year ago
'How to Pwn a YEC'? Videos like this really smack of overkill to me. It's like giving a Tiger advice on how to kill a rabbit.
There is no counter-argument to logic or reason, they just dont listen.
comanchio1976 1 year ago
Good vid, but 4.5B out of 6B is 3/4 not 4/5
Fredonia2k 1 year ago
If the hindus are right then its bye-bye for the muslims because of the hatred they have for them
MamaMario13 1 year ago
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Quintinohthree 1 year ago
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Actually, they'll reincarnate as worms or some such, that's all.
Although one could use the Hindu doctrine that everyone should do as they are instructed by the gods, and the gods make sure one can find what their instructions are, they might as well get straight into heaven, because in Hinduism and Budhism there is such a thing.
Quintinohthree 1 year ago
@Quintinohthree what do u mean? how do u find what ur instructions are in hinduism?
MamaMario13 1 year ago
@MamaMario13
I dunno, I'm only making a guess at what Hindu denominations may teach.
Quintinohthree 1 year ago
I love "those things"!
zantrua 1 year ago
From the video at 5:00 "and these are just the three major world religions"
They are the three Abrahamic religions, but major??
There are 14 million Jews on the planet - compared with 900 million Hindus, 376 million Buddhists, 394 million Chinese traditionalists...and at least another half dozen religions that outnumber Judaism.
Other than that, great video!
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago 2
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Hey all of you evolutionists. Do you know what you are? You are government sheep. The government indoctrinated you and so you remain. You are just a bunch of government patsies. Can't think on your own and to cowardly too fight.
thechessstick 1 year ago
If what you say is true, and Jews don't have a hell, then why do Christians and Muslims go to hell if Jews are right?
jaimesthesaint 1 year ago
@jaimesthesaint they are heretics who abandoned god because of false prophets: something like that
MamaMario13 1 year ago
Pascal's wager is only effective at keeping the already faithful believing by appealing to their fear of damnation. Would an all knowing God really be fooled by some one who only pretended to believe but never really did? Believe is not a choice, so it would seem to follow that those who did not believe, even if they wanted to, would be sentenced to eternal torture.
Also, evolution and belief in God are not mutually exclusive, nor does evolution have anything to do with atheism.
mastersausagemaker 1 year ago
At 4:43 I almost spewed my drink of beer out on my laptop in laughter! This video is so awesome. Wish I could give 2 thumbs up.
ragzy02 1 year ago
Brilliant.
yanniskusogaki 1 year ago
5:32 Who's the picture after Carl Sagan?
KnightofDuroch 1 year ago
@KnightofDuroch Douglas Adams
invisblchzbrgr 1 year ago
Yeah Im a christian and Pascal's wager is not what saves really. These YEC poeple are people who taken an active interest In one aspect of our faith. There are plenty creationists "im sure" who dont hve to represent themselves in this sort of fashion. I would think the whole evangelical church are creationists. WEll anywasy I think you should understand that a true christian doesnt operate under the "pascals" eager philosophy. I would think most of them operate under trusting god and workinghrd
cmp2nite2 1 year ago
lol that guy at the beginning really looks the part of the sad, pathetic moron that these people are, I love how he gulps audibly at facing his "creator" the most obvious problem with pascal's wager is that anyone can make up any horrible thing they want and threaten you with it if you don't believe what they want, now if that is enough for you to believe (or pretend) than you'll have quite a job finding every horrible thing that has ever been imagined and putting your faith in it.
kyebean 1 year ago
LMAO 2:20 is hilarious!
killawind1287 1 year ago
another silly atheist video, other than dawkins and Hitchens, how much does it pay to be a professional debunker?
Treefrogs2 1 year ago
@Treefrogs2 the same thing it pays to have sex: orgasms!
kyebean 1 year ago
Exceedingly clear and well thought-out argument, delivered in a superior accent.
elektro3000 1 year ago
4:38 A little anti-semitism there? Not saying your a Nazi or anything but ya...slightly out of taste joke in my opinion.
Golkarian 1 year ago