The Bullet Proof Mind: Lt. Col. Dave Grossman Part 1

[oliversmoothglides]

while i concede that young people's perception of the reality of violence is significantly affected by media portrayals of violence, i contend that presenting violent material to young children tends to have an effect opposite to the one grossman suggests, in that they more often underestimate the reality of violence because of how unrealistically it is portrayed, as opposed to overestimating it.

to suggest that traumatizing kids with violence makes them more violent is a bit silly.

[bigboss686]

LOL WUT? while I agree with Lt. Col. Grossman's mindset initiatives, his ability to "see the future" as it were is absolutely terrible and beyond misguided/stupid, aggravated assault's have been DROPPING for 7 consecutive years, so much for his prognostication. While he brilliantly understands tactics and mindset impeccably, his inability to understand that exceptions are NOT the norm is quite troubling, as is his beyond ignorant statements on the the topic of video games are concerned.

[maxman565]

@shawnjohn0369 he doesn't push fear. He pushes the fact that there are people out there who want to kill you. Just because you feel safe doesn't mean you are. And if you feel scared because of that, he teaches you how to overcome it.

[zeldadog76901]

This man is not about fear. He is about UNDERSTANDING it. Just like Richard Dawkins doesn't teach you how to evolve, rather he teaches understanding of evolution.

David Grossman is one of the men who opened my eyes to intellectually understanding killing and fear and human behavior without having to put myself in the situations that he has been in.

If I believed in a god, I'd ask him to bless this man. Thank god for David Grossman.

[disciple68]

@zeldadog76901 While I agree with you about Dave Grossman I don't think this is an appropriate venue for your Atheist ideas, with which I heartily disagree. What does that have to do with the subject matter?

[zeldadog76901]

@disciple68 This isn't a religion thing, I just wanted to express my profound respect for Lt. Col. David Grossman and I thought that it was an appropriate parallel. All the same, I'm not about to profess faith in something that I don't believe in. My apologies if the disclaimer bothered you.

Well, not really an apology, because I don't care...I just don't have a better way to express my sincere gratitude for Grossman's work.

[disciple68]

@zeldadog76901 I wasnt asking for an apology. I expressed my point, as far as religion is concerned.

[valtierra2966]

I just watched this man speak to hundreds of highly educated officers and they all seemed awe struck by this man's words. I'm surprised that some of these officers didn't find him a bit odd or off topic . His facial gestures suggest unstable behavior and possibly mental instability. I hope I wasn't the only one who caught that tonight.

[shawnjohn0369]

This guy pushes fear he wants people to think that the alCIAda is under your bed at night. Dont live in fear.

[bettonirm]

@shawnjohn0369 He is not asking you to live in fear, he is asking the people that protect you to be ready and how to be ready when the time comes that there are people that try to hurt you. If you think that all is well in the world and violance will never be in your life you are in denial my friend and you and nothing more then the sheep he talks about.

[TangoDownProduction]

Many people here want to stand up and defend the fact video games don't kill people. I agree with you, but what you are failing to see is that immature, mentally unstable children are playing these games and learning the stimulus response to killing without hesitation or forethought. When you combine that with a toxic environment, it leads to disaster. Hate on Dr. Grossman all you want, you can also remain subborn and shallow-minded to other rational thoughts and theories too.

[rrhynes]

The assholes that are most likely to shoot at someone are those that think they won't get caught and thosethat think they have immunity. So, that means criminals and LEO's are most likely to shoot at someone. Everybody else isn't the problem. Most of us don't think we'll have immunity if we shoot at someone. I don't give a shit how many video games they play. Crazy talk.

[ANZACJugger0]

Is there a free mp3 version of this?

[OhTaxGuy]

I have a hard time believing his ideas hold any water. He tried to successfully argue that video games are a useful killing/self-defense training tool (even for our military), then argues we shouldn't use it as such...and buy his training programs instead? What Dave fails to point out, is that "most" of the shooting video games are training the MIND as well. i.e. You must choose whether to pull the trigger based on the threat. He never acknowledges facts that prove his theories wrong.

[AntBanks2626]

@OhTaxGuy your right! Video games are used by corporations, law enforcement and military in every aspect of simulation training. They are a PROVEN means of training a person to fly a plane, drive a tank, or kill another person with a rifle,knife etc. The fact that kids are now playing VERY realistic sim games that embrace combat and tactical situations is real and can not be overlooked. People often tell kids that Call of Duty is not teaching them shit but the Army even disagrees on that one!

[HatleyHat1]

@darksyde866 I have one thing to say that you will understand, it's in your language!!! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

[GetMeInNow123]

No video ??

[ontherealus]

Thanks for posting this. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is the man!

[danusmcgator]

@darksyde866 video games may be responsible for violence, but still they are protected by the firs amendment, until a game disk gets up and slits someone's throat all in it's own, you can't say that vidoe games kill poeple. it is up to the game disingners to not to glorify killing, but to show it as it really is. you can't ledgeslate any one to do any thing thanks to the bill of rights. people have the right to be retarded, and by your show of immaturity, i can conclude that your retarded.

[darksyde866]

He is the dumbass that thinks video games are responsible for violence. I'll skip his self help propaganda.

[mtavares92]

tactical breething

[gio144]

Thanks loracali11, This is some very powerful and useful stuff.

Do you have the full six hours of this lecture and can you post the rest of it.

Thank you.

[gio144]

Thanks loracali11, This is some very powerful and useful stuff.

Do you have the full six hours of this lecture and can you post the rest of it.

Thank you.

[gio144]

Thanks loracali11, This is some very powerful and useful stuff.

Do you have the full six hours of this lecture and can you post the rest of it.

Thank you.

[dvcmaster]

It's an old saying, but it fits the posts in this thread so I am going to use it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.

[yack908]

he is great, im glad one of my LE instructors told me about him

[Jarodbaker]

I find it interesting how many views there are for the random, unimportant, meaningless videos on this site...but so few for this very simple yet valuable lecture. Could it be the reflection of how few Sheepdogs there really are?

[Ichirin145]

I think its a bad idea to try and mess with the balance. The police are already doing their job in a fine way.

[Ichirin145]

Secondly, I am sorry to say this, but police officers should not be over-trained, especially mentally, which will cause them problems to socially reintegrate.

Theres a price to pay for everything, including over-specialisation. Please be careful, the americans didn't fully understand the consequences of the A-Bomb when they invented it.

[Ichirin145]

Excuse me, Mr Dave Grossman, but violence and brutalisation are a natural thing to growing up. It always comes back in another way. Its like your immune system. You must let it practice against germs to become strong and not over-sterilize everything. If we make the children grow up in a safe happy world, what will happen when they come in contact with another reality, a harder, cruel reality?

[justbekky]

@Ichirin145 Yeah, we should also expose them to small amounts of poison and pornography, y'know, so they can TOUGHEN UP for the real world....

OR NOT.

[Ichirin145]

@justbekky First, poison is deadly and has permanent results on the physical body. Secondly, pornography is already exposed to most children, and considering it as a bad thing depends on your perspectives.

[BatmanINDY]

@Ichirin145

And I'm sure your education and experience rivals his right?

[Ichirin145]

@BatmanINDY Quantity doesn't necessarily mean quality.

[sgtrickc]

Having been on the street for 23 years, reading all LTC. Grossman's books and been in audience 3 seperate times when he has spoken, I find this training ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING! I've sent officers to this seminar and give his books as gifts to fellow Warriors. HOOAH SIR!

[100clipak]

amazing

[wolfva]

Having attended the Bullet Proof Mind lectures, and read Lt.Coln. Grossman's book, "On Combat" I'd like to point out he is not, in his own words, against video games. However, many of our current games DO mimic military and police training that readies soldiers/officers to take a life. Anyone who has been in front of a FATS simulator, then played a first person shooter, can attest to that. Many of todays games ARE murder simulators.

[willi2209]

but the video games alone do not make ppl murderers, there are far deeper issues

[wolfva]

Exactly. Which is one of the points that Lt. Coln. Grossman makes.

The problem is, to many people who have never read any of his writings or attended his speaches put words in his mouth and claim he said something he never did because they heard it from someone else who took another comment completely out of context.

[smartasschad92]

i believe that if a little child is exposed to violent games or movies. but its the parents job to monitor that. i like video games and i have been training for the Special Forces for a year now so im not a game nerd. but their still fun for their age limits. its rated "M" for a reason, its the bad parents to blame.

[rcs05002]

this is great stuff

[Neilgram324]

A lot of good points. But by personal experience, I feel that I am immune to volient media. Firstly,their is no difference between fantasy, and reality. For much of the fantasy I view (such as Greg Rucka, Garth Ennis graphic novels, and Hbo the wire) show much realism in thier plots. That volience is too chaotic and CAN get you kill easily. Secondly, in the U.S. military they teach you to use no mind. Where you automatically react to the situiation. You have to train phsyicall to be a killer.

[Ichirin145]

@Neilgram324 But because they are taught and don't learn themselves, alot of them end up with PTSD or in the case of special forces, suicide.

[CrystalHunter1989]

Rangers lead the way!

[jdolce101]

Lt. Colonel Grossman is a Genius!!

[gunguy2126]

Well done gents well done .

[BatmanINDY]

Grossman is by far the most respected and popular trainer of this stuff in the world. Pinker is quite good, but to reccomend him over Grossman shows a lack of acceptance of reality.

[teddywinroth]

bullshit....

[BatmanINDY]

No...not bullshit. What's bullshit is you being asked to point out specific errors, but refusing to do it. What's bullshit is you getting all butthurt because somebody speaks out against the video games you beat off to. Grossman's lecture is given based on scholarship and research. Your nonsense is based off years in your moms basement playing Halo in your underwear. You're an idiot.

[Angelofdeth20]

@BatmanINDY aaaww i like halo but seriously this guy is like all knowing

[teddywinroth]

Im afraid there are some errors here. I recomend the lecture of Steven Pinker called a brief history of violence

[Uvissiet]

What are the errors, and why are they errors?

[teddywinroth]

its called science... sometimes scientist makes misstakes. When Grossman throws a diatribe against videogames hes plain wrong and has a bad scientific technique.

[Uvissiet]

That's not an answer. And I'd hardly call his compliation of scholarship "throwing a diatribe against videogames".

[teddywinroth]

I didnt call his compilation of scholarship "a diatribe". I called his work against videogames "a diatribe".

[Uvissiet]

His work against videogames is a compilation of scholarship.

So what are the errors, and why are they errors?

[BatmanINDY]

He's not going to answer you. He had to use a thesaurus to be able to use the word "diatribe."  He's got no clue what he's talking about, but went ahead and opened his mouth anyway. He's a moron.

[Uvissiet]

I'm not surprised. A lot of criticism takes that form now. "The author is stupid." "Why is he stupid?" "...He just is." "Why, because you don't like him?" "No, because of scientific inquiry." "So, let's have it." "If you don't know, then there's no point in explaining it to you." "Try explainging it to me." "Because he's stupid." Sigh.

[mtavares92]

@Uvissiet I thinhk those views are somewhat exaggerated, because given the moment where you hold a real gun with real bullets against another human being, not even all gaming experience in the world could give you the will, or even supress the natural subconscious compassion we all have to take the life of a fellow member of our species.

Only psicopaths are able to supress that sensation (it happens naturaly to them).

[mtavares92]

@Uvissiet Although I agree with one thing:

People who play too many video games (essencially war games), are probably, in my opinion, more susceptible to a lack of acknowledgement of the facts around war, and military life.

Those people are literally no clue whatsoever of what is all fuss about, and so they think it's cool and they start wishing to be in delta force sooner or later.

That's simply something that's called "immaturity". I guess.