@BRYCYNS You must remember that at the time Drebbel made his experiments, around 1604-1612, the idea that any machine would move "on it's own" (which is what they believed it was doing) was extraordinary. He and his "perpetuums" were the toast of Europe, and he was invited to the Courts of kings. Ben Jonson mentioned his machine in his plays. Yes, today it would not be impressive... you are holding an iphone in your hand, can fly by jet anywhere, and have a heart bypass. But in 1604? Wow!
@philip2go What is stupid about Drebbel's invention? It was the rage of Europe at the time, as it would run clock with no winding, and show the phases of the moon, day of the week, the month, and the zodiac. And far from "stupid", Drebbel also invented a permanent cochineal dye, which started an industry... he isolated oxygen before Priestly, and built the first known working submarine. He also invented the first compound lens microscope years before Galileo.
Hi dude.. the only system which works on ambient tempreture is a long and wide spring made from metal. At night it shrinks and during the day because of heat expands so we will have one movement in 24 hours. but I don't think it is a practical or economical systen
oh yes, you definitely built a perpetual motion machine, something physicists have been searching for for many years... and how, say, does your machine accomplish this feat? it doesn't! it runs off heat! maybe look up what a perpetual motion machine is before posting a video of a primitive thermal hydrolic engine!
@Lizardwarrior1 You did not read the description, and many comments, which state, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room." As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours.You should read descriptions and comments before posting sarcastic comments... it does not reflect well on you. All the best...
@1BustedMyth Well thanks so much... I did build my updated version, and even had a video of it in action. But I took it down, because I want to make a higher quality one. When I do, I'll link it here... take care, proto57
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perpetual motion...lets try this theory... energy will never disappear, but it will always transfer. This means that everything we know of is in a giant mechanical device.We can not truly see this device, since we are just 1 of the small specs of energy moving threw it.
This is perpetual motion... the definition of perpetual motion is creating more energy then was put into it, for instance all the gravity wheels last an incredible amount of time, but the machine will eventually stop because of friction. In this example all you are using heat to start it, then once it goes back to it's original point, it does absolutely nothing, this isn't perpetual motion, it's just a science expirement...
@3moPenguin You did not read the description, and comments, which state, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room." As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours.You should read descriptions and comments before posting. PS- I assumed you left out the word "not" after "this is".
I invented a breakthrough energy source that contradicts the law of energy conservation. I have a PROOF that there are electrodynamic phenomena that contradict the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $300 000 for a prototype and for $3M for patents. Making a 6 kW generator will cost $1200 in mass production, value of energy produced yearly $5400.
@FarceTheory You are correct... and if we also had a time machine, we could go back to the 17th century, and convince those using this definition that our modern definition is better, and why... we could explain the science behind it, also, and how their "perpetual motion" devices used energy, and therefore were not truly perpetual... and even, maybe, how perpetual motion is impossible! We could correct so much... if we only had a time machine!
@FarceTheory No problems at all... it is really hard to absorb all the details the internet throws at us, and notice every facet. All the best... proto57
There is not one single thing in existence in this universe that is not in perpetual motion.
Perhaps you could explain what energy field has kept the electron in orbit around the protons of the atoms for billions of years that you made your device from?
Why don't opposites attract and the electrons lose orbit and crash into the protons?
Could it be they are being fed by a superluminal shock wave that emits from black holes? Einstein screwed up Dirac and Maxwells work not to mention your head.
@QuarkToo Good points, Quark: But I think the understanding now is that everything is in a state of decay, although very, very, slow by our standards. Perhaps I am wrong, but in your example, "electrons lose orbit and crash into the protons"... I think that is exactly what will happen, at some point. But if I am wrong... then your point is even more interesting, and I, too, would love to hear a convincing answer. Thanks for the post...
@datzfast I agree. Think of the strong force, and the weak force, and all the argument and discussion which surrounds the current theories. Basically, nobody has any idea... they can quantify the forces, but not explain or relate them. Considering it's only the basic question of existence, that's pretty lacking...
IMHO a sterling motor combined with a black radiator on the roof and a radiator in the ground water can be called a perpetuum mobile of the second kind. This would actually give me free energy as long as the motor and the radiators live.
As far as I can find the definition of a PM of the second kind does not require a closed system of ever lasting thermal energy of mysterious source.
Hi again... I like that, "of the second kind". I was sketching out a few ideas of a tank system, with alternating black and white bands painted on them. With a banded "screen" over them, they would alternately heat and cool during the day, causing rise and fall of pressure several times during daylight. Not much power, and I think a sterling (sirling?) cycle system as you describe would be much better... Rich.
I'm not sure where you get your definition.,.. but I'll accept it, and have no argument with you about it. Personally I think it can mean either, though: Lack of friction, or lack of cost and time. In any case, I'm not sure how you assume that I "fail to know" this... your comment is a little vague in some ways... and has a double negative, which makes me wonder if I am correct in understanding in the first place... Please clarify...
proto actually made this very nice, but wrong, prototype based on incomplete fieldwork.He already knows a lot more about Drebbel's original perpetuum mobile. AFAIK he's still working on it. Click on more info and follow the url to his site.
Thanks for the comments, Maggzzz... yes, I am still working on it. This winter I hope to break out the Unimat and turn some needed parts, and test some possible mechanisms. We can't know just what Drebbel did, but I feel I have narrowed it down to a few likely methods. I'll be sure to post the first tests... hopefully, by spring of 2010. Thanks... Rich.
No harm, no foul. I have found that the subject of perpetual motion is rife with controversy, politics and emotion. It's been very interesting, since the principles involved are very simple, and PM without input of energy is impossible. The odd thing is that most of the objectors (not you) who do not like my machine seem to think that PM is possible without input of energy... of course it is not. You are one of the few responders who know this, and look at it pragmatically and realistically.
rekaras: Every hear of a barometer? The needle is moved by changes in pressure in the atmosphere, relative to the pressure in a sealed container. This device, and the original, and a barometer or an Atmos clock, will all operate from pressure changes, even absent temperature changes. And the one I made did just this, without the hairdryer, just slower. It would move over an arc of about 35 degrees in 24 hours. I'm sorry, but you are entirely wrong on this.
Yes, I am the author, and I assure you I do know the definition of "perpetual". And I know the requirements for that definition throughout history, what it meant in 1600, and what it means today. You did not read the description, or, as I write this, the 100+ others who made the same mistake as you. You will get quite an eye-opener... well, if this was not just a "drive by" slam comment (as many are), and visit again... and then, actually take the time to read everything here. Or stay, "SOS".
HI Earth... the answer is in the description, and in many of my answers, above... but I'll repeat it here for you (modified slightly to help): For many centuries, until relatively recently, a machine which remained in motion perpetually, whether or not it received energy input form other sources (sun, tide, air pressure etc.) was considered a "perpetual motion machine". Today a perpetual motion machine can have no such input... of course, by this definition, they are impossible.
hi there!...maybe you should named clip:''the middle-age perpetual motion concept'' :)
today's concept is to build a device which is reciveing the energy from ''zero point field''(discovered by Tesla, not invention), but to induce this enegy, this device must 'borrow' the energy from sun, gravity, wind etc. and when you are reciveing more energy, then you are giveing on the input, the variation is from ''zero point''!
He, Earth: You say of the device you mention, "but to induce this enegy, this device must 'borrow' the energy from sun, gravity, wind etc. and when you are reciveing more energy, then you are giveing on the input"... then it, too, would not be perpetual motion by today's standards. If something like that could be made to work, though, it could be useful... whatever it was called. Have you seen one in operation?
Actually PERPETUUM MOBILE means ENDLESS MOTION! And what people mean by perpetuum mobile is to recive energy from nothing, and this is the product of the human stupidness!
i agree. the name of the vid is very misleading. to have a propetual motion machine, it is alowed to be started by an outside force, but once started, it must reamain in forever motion by its own self.
Perpetual Motion... Even "semi" perpetual motion requires quite a bit of MOVEMENT. What were you demonstrating? The fact that you can by and video tape a toy you bought off the Internet?
"Yoyo"... no, I made the machine, I did not buy it. As for what I was demonstrating, read the description and the many comments, and it will become clear to you. Thank you for the comments.
It's similar. The birds have an expanding liquid in them which also shifts the weight, causing them to tip. In the bird, the liquid expands, in this, the liquid is simply displaced. But the birds are actually closer to what I think Drebbel used, and may end up being part of my new device. BTW, the bird technique was used in some perpetual clocks made in the fifties.. with four, radiating bulbs (each working as a bird). Thanks for the comment.
Yes, it is impossible by today's defintiion. In Drebbel's time, and later, such machines ran on changes in atmospheric pressure, or the motion of the tides, or sunlight, etc., and were considered... and called... perpetual motion machines. Thank for the comment...
Why call it perpetual motion when you have to apply external energy (heat it up), then cool it down for each cycle of motion. It's only perpetual if you blow it with your hair dryer every few minutes.
Yes, it worked very well under normal conditions, without the hairdryer... just much slower. I also wonder just what you could drive with a larger version... Perhaps one could make one from a large tank, or such, and power a small generator. Maybe one could run a small light, or at least a radio... because a larger volume of expanding/contracting air could move a larger weight of fluid... which in turn would do more work...
you said it works by air currents... so then it's just a means of extracting energy from air.... so yeh, maybe bigger one could provide useful output, but we have more efficient ways of extracting energy from air: windmills
Bob: Yes I agree. This would be very inefficient for anything larger than a clock spring, and there would be better ways of utilizing natural differentials, such as air currents. Just to clarify, though... this does not use air currents, but differences in air pressure, like a barometer does. Think of the motion of a barometer's needle... slowly going back and forth as long as air pressure changes. Thanks for the comments.
Perpetual motion is not impossible you just need a constant energy supply and there are plenty of constant energy supllies not least gravity - The earth is in semi-perpetual motion around the sun, when you orbit the earth that is perpetual motion
Pigcowgreen! You win the prize! After almost 100 posts, you accurately stated just what this was, and what it did, in less words than it takes me to congratulate you. Thank you for the comment... you made my day. Proto57.
you're talking about perpetual motion being POWERED? surely that kinda defeats the point? regardless, there are no eternal energy supplies... gravity will provide energy.... until you hit the ground. and wtf is 'semi perpetual'? its either perpetual or not. and orbiting bodies in space are not.
Please read the description, and my other answers, which will clarify. A perpetual motion device in Drebbel's time was any engine which ran perpetually without human added energy; today, it is anything which runs perpetually but does not need any supply of energy to continue. Of course this is impossible. I'm not sure what you are referring to as "semi perpetual"... another comment I have not yet noticed? I agree, "semi perpetual" is an oxymoron, and so, illogical. Thank you for the comment...
Lgilsig: Yup. Read the description, and the almost 100 other comments, and you will have this explained to you. This is a motor which runs on differentials in air pressure and temperature, and it does work, and did work in the 1600's. It ran a clock. The hair dryer was only to speed it up for the video. At the time it was built, and for centuries after, it qualified as "perpetual", since it ran on existing conditions, without additional energy input.
I did read the comments and this machine, as shown, is not a perpetual motion device. Also, as you describe it, running on differences in temp and pressure, it is not a perpetual motion device. As soon as equilibrium is established between the device and its environment, the energy flow, such as it its, stops. Have I missed anything?
Yes... In the time this machine was built, it fit the description of perpetual motion, because it would run perpetually. It would run the clockwork until the parts ran out. Drebbel believed this would be about 100 years. The Beverly clock (18th century, same principle) in the Albert museum ran for over 80 years before needing to be repaired. The second point is that it will not "establish equilibrium", because in a normal environment, temp and pressure vary... keeping it going.
I made a mistake... it is Cox's timepiece in Britain, the Beverly clock is in Australia. Cox's uses a bath of 150 pounds of mercury to drive the clock through temp differential. You can still buy an Atmos Clock, which winds itself forever on changes in room temp and pressure, but by using a sealed drum with a diaphragm. It will run until it breaks, because in normal conditions, temp and pressure change enough throughout the day, to do so.
It turns out that that such mechanisms, such clocks, are still referred to as perpetual motion... I did not realize that. So the term still applies to both the imaginary and impossible type, which will not work... and this type, which needs fluctuations in room temp and pressure. Cut/Paste this into the Youtube search: fUZnDfyEtkE Or put "Atmos" into ebay, or in Google. You will find that Atmos Clocks are "...known as perpetual motion clocks because they never have to be wound."
Watch it again, and you will see the sphere rotate on it's axis. This is due to the shifting weight of the liquid as it moves in the tube. The original 1600's device would operate a clock, so it did not have to move very often or far. It is believed it wound the clock spring. My next version, which I may finish this winter, will hopefully do this. Thank you for your comment.
POOR IDEA. In order for a Perpetual motion machine to exist (esp. one that generates more output energy), you will need to fly to GOD to get the machine. Perpetual motion is a zero-point state resulting in a net output of ZERO. Energy loss in any active system is inevitable. Maintenance of such a machine is inevitable. .... WaveMotionIndustries com
this is not a perpetual motion machine. it is a demonstration of a modified hero's engine and your input of heat energy from the hair dryer far exceededd teh amount of mechanical energy of movement of the sphere. thus, probably at best 10 percent efficient and much closer to 1 percent transformation of energy.
If you read the description, and other replies to comments, this would be explained to you. Yes- this operates on changes in air pressure and temperature, and the hair dryer is only to speed up the process for the video. But it is nothing like Hero's engine, which relies on the expulsion of a gas, like a jet, to cause rotation. This operates due to shifting weight of a displaced liquid. And there is no such thing as PM, anyway, but such devices were believed to be so, in the early 17th century.
If you read the description, this will be explained to you. The device works well on changes in ambient room air pressure and temperature, but too slowly for an interesting Youtube video. The hair dryer was used only to speed up the process in order to make a video. Thank you for the comment, though.
Yup I have a boring, nasal voice... remember me the next time you can't sleep. Safer and cheaper than Nyquil. Maybe I should market a CD of me, counting sheep? I could make a fortune! Thank you for the comment...
You know, aside from this and his version of a submarine, cornelius van drebbel is the inventor of air conditioning. There were people in the church who objected to his creation because they believed it was playing god to artificially modify the seasons in controlled environments. I guess that's what they call a paradigm shift. From 'we'll burn you if you say the Earth is round', to 'ok, but you can't say it goes around the sun', to 'air conditioning is evil' to 'pennicilin is evil', etc.
"Cool", Sandor! Thanks for the note on the cooling experiment. There is a chapter on this event in Shachtman's "Absolute Zero and the Conquest of Cold". Apparantly the PBS show Nova just did a show on this, and the DVD is available from Netflix. I put it on the list. Thanks again... Rich.
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. As an aside, a hair dryer is about 1200 to 1500 watts, not 130.
Are you by any chance the father.... Youtube this..(Miss Teen USA 2007 - South Carolina answers a question)
Or you must be related. You would still have to...HMMM perpetually hair dry this bowl thing to make it move side to side. You should attach a crank shaft to it, then a generator to it, you might save the world's oil crisis with it.
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. Maybe that poor Miss Teen simply did not read the description... um... I mean, script... before answering?
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But of course it put in far more energy than delivered... that's physics... you should read comments, before assuming and posting.
I could be wrong about this, but the only thing I see perpetual is the negative comments I find about your elaborate experiment, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? How is this perpetual motion? will you stand with your hair dryer for ever heating and letting it cool to proove your point?.
Long before people understood that perpetual motion was impossible, almost any machine which would run continously was thought to be so. That is, in the sense the tides are considered "perpetual", so would something powered by them. Of course we know better today. I use "perpetual" in the title, in the earlier, 17th century sense. But read the description, and you will see there is less "wrong with me" than you seem to think.
Hi, Marceltony: You are correct that celestial motions might be considered "perpetual", and that is the sense the word in used in the title of this video. But in the modern sense, true "perpetual motion" implies more energy is created than is actually used... And simple physics tells us this is impossible.
Hi, proto. At the risk of appearing dim ... one thing is not clear. The water may be moving in the tube but the sphere itself seems to be turning, too. Doesn't that boil down to the same thing? The reason I ask is that I had been under the impression that the sphere in Drebbel was stationary. In any case, it's VERY difficult to see the exact path of the water in the tube and the motion because the camera itself is moving. Any chance of another angle on this? Keep up the work, though.
You make a very good point. I've read every description, and seen every image, I can find of Drebbel's devices. Some imply that the sphere rotated, some that the fluid alone moved, and some that the fluid moved some other mechanism to make the clockwork move. This version is based on the Antonini drawing and description, which seemed to imply "rocking" of the sphere... which is just what happens when the shifting of the fluid's weight upsets it. My next version will rotate.
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway (Does anyone read descriptions? Or read the dozens of other posts which answered this?)
I HAVE been working with actual perpetual motion for 15 years now and...It IS achievable...I have it and the only reason i go to these sights is to see if someone else had the same idea as me and that is a negative.P M IS VERY POSSIBLE
Thanks for this excellent demonstration. I am writing a novel in which our friend Drebbel features and demonstrates this machine. Though descriptions and images vary, it's nice to see one that resembles Drebbel's in motion, as it were. My only caveat would be that I'd like to see how it moved over a period of time. For example, if it were brought into a very cold room after being in a warm room or at least having been warmed up, how long would it keep going ...?
Very interesting about your novel. Good luck with that. As for the change into a cold room... it would probably move to a new postition within minutes, then stay there until the conditions in the new room changed. My next version... which I am working on... is more accurate to Drebbel's. It is very different. I found two illustrations of the actual device... write me if you want to see it. I'll email an image to you. You cannot find it online...
Hi proto, that's very helpful and is more or less what I hoped for, given my unscientific bent. The images would be very welcome! Btw, are you at a college or is it a kind of hobby? Looks like the former from the video.
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway (Does anyone read descriptions? Or read the dozens of other posts which answered this?)
You are correct. Read the description (and many posts), and you will see I agree. However, in Drebbel's time, they did not make the distinction between true perpetual motion without external power, and devices which would operate perpetually on a vertually infinate source of power... such as changing air pressure... which would not be considered perpetual motion today.
that's not perpetual motion, it's more like a heat power kind of thing, perpetual motion is something that needs no force acted apon to start an action.
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many comments. As for the heat from hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. Also, at the time of Drebbel, there was not the distinction you make. But thank you for your interest.
A perpetual motion machine CAN have an energy source - like a push, or constant electricity - as long as it makes more energy than needed to work. (against first law themodynamics). Just saying there are diff types.
Not quite sure how that scrap of a post got there, but anyway.
The 100 year anniversary of flight was last year, or possibly the year before, I forget. It would be remarkable for anyone capable of denying that flight was possible could still be teaching/breathing today.
Get your history right, get your facts straight and offer reasoned argument instead of low grade abuse of intelligent, if sometimes misguided, people. Then i may spare some time to debate with you..... IDIOT
give it up you cannot reach the rhealm of my knowledge ...you r not even on the brink. In other words you don't even have a klick...p s ..1 clue =2 klicks
Why is it that a statement like this is guaranteed to come from an idiot. The first recorded manned flight was in 1783 (in a balloon). Not only does your 'rhealm' [sic] of knowledge not extend to the English language, also excludes the ability to use the internet to do any research.
If you are below the age of 8 then I apologize, otherwise you are a moron.
Can you find a quote of an actual physicist saying flight was impossible or is that just something your great-great-grandpa who knew them told you?
Besides, why would a physicist claim something was impossible when the possibility of flight has been obvious for 1000s of years just by observing that birds do it.
All British Physics A-levels and equivalents will cover this topic, it is linked to the boffin-bashers favourite equation, E=MC squared. Try getting an education, practical or otherwise, they are terribly useful.
That definition is false, no machine is going to move of its own volition, newton's first law states this, but a perpetual motion machine is a machine that will continue running beyond what can be accounted for by the initial energy input.
So this obviously isn't perpetual motion since you have to supply the heat power using a hair dryer. Thats like saying perpetual motion is when you push ball uphill with a fire hose and then watch it roll back down the hill.
Its Drebbels Perpetual Motion Machine, not Proto57's. He's using a hair dryer to speed up the effect, just read the description, and stop trying to be clever.
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway.
Wow, at least YOU were right. Thanks..great site. I guess I had to make sure you weren't making it up so naturally I had to check to be sure of course out of scientific curiosity only. We are all intellectuals here of course. Giggidy giggidy...woo hoo!!! Now what were we talking about?
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway.
Thats impressive !!!!! ( NOT )
BRYCYNS 4 months ago
@BRYCYNS You must remember that at the time Drebbel made his experiments, around 1604-1612, the idea that any machine would move "on it's own" (which is what they believed it was doing) was extraordinary. He and his "perpetuums" were the toast of Europe, and he was invited to the Courts of kings. Ben Jonson mentioned his machine in his plays. Yes, today it would not be impressive... you are holding an iphone in your hand, can fly by jet anywhere, and have a heart bypass. But in 1604? Wow!
proto57 4 months ago 2
stupidity creates stupid inventions
philip2go 6 months ago
@philip2go What is stupid about Drebbel's invention? It was the rage of Europe at the time, as it would run clock with no winding, and show the phases of the moon, day of the week, the month, and the zodiac. And far from "stupid", Drebbel also invented a permanent cochineal dye, which started an industry... he isolated oxygen before Priestly, and built the first known working submarine. He also invented the first compound lens microscope years before Galileo.
proto57 6 months ago
Hi dude.. the only system which works on ambient tempreture is a long and wide spring made from metal. At night it shrinks and during the day because of heat expands so we will have one movement in 24 hours. but I don't think it is a practical or economical systen
vartatoosh 8 months ago
Very neat apparatus!
shawnki91 8 months ago
being rare as they were back in the 1600's, he must've pissed somene off really bad for using their hairdryer |:
eudaemonian 8 months ago
how many hairdryers will you need to make this work on a commercial scale?
mugwamp4 1 year ago
@mugwamp4 Very clever. I have one: How many descriptions do you read before you understand a video?
proto57 11 months ago 5
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@proto57 how many times do i have to look at pathetic attempts at "perpetual motion"
mugwamp4 10 months ago
we are all living on a Perpetual motion machine. the earth.
Ajaxmax 1 year ago
oh yes, you definitely built a perpetual motion machine, something physicists have been searching for for many years... and how, say, does your machine accomplish this feat? it doesn't! it runs off heat! maybe look up what a perpetual motion machine is before posting a video of a primitive thermal hydrolic engine!
Lizardwarrior1 1 year ago
@Lizardwarrior1 You did not read the description, and many comments, which state, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room." As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours.You should read descriptions and comments before posting sarcastic comments... it does not reflect well on you. All the best...
proto57 1 year ago
@frithwks Very kind of you to say so, thank you.
proto57 1 year ago
Nice engineering
Unique model
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth Well thanks so much... I did build my updated version, and even had a video of it in action. But I took it down, because I want to make a higher quality one. When I do, I'll link it here... take care, proto57
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dharmastipulate 1 year ago
perpetual motion...lets try this theory... energy will never disappear, but it will always transfer. This means that everything we know of is in a giant mechanical device.We can not truly see this device, since we are just 1 of the small specs of energy moving threw it.
Think about that for a while.
LegendaryThoughts 1 year ago
@LegendaryThoughts We are all part of the big machine... I'll buy that. Thank you for your thoughts.
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mimlato 1 year ago
This is perpetual motion... the definition of perpetual motion is creating more energy then was put into it, for instance all the gravity wheels last an incredible amount of time, but the machine will eventually stop because of friction. In this example all you are using heat to start it, then once it goes back to it's original point, it does absolutely nothing, this isn't perpetual motion, it's just a science expirement...
3moPenguin 1 year ago
@3moPenguin You did not read the description, and comments, which state, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room." As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours.You should read descriptions and comments before posting. PS- I assumed you left out the word "not" after "this is".
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FarceTheory 1 year ago
@FarceTheory You are correct... and if we also had a time machine, we could go back to the 17th century, and convince those using this definition that our modern definition is better, and why... we could explain the science behind it, also, and how their "perpetual motion" devices used energy, and therefore were not truly perpetual... and even, maybe, how perpetual motion is impossible! We could correct so much... if we only had a time machine!
proto57 1 year ago
@proto57 Once again I’m reminded to read the whole description of the text. My apologies.
FarceTheory 1 year ago
@FarceTheory No problems at all... it is really hard to absorb all the details the internet throws at us, and notice every facet. All the best... proto57
proto57 1 year ago
is important to see HERON the father of vapor
3081077 1 year ago
Ehh...?
FistsOfFuru 1 year ago
@FistsOfFuru Huh...?
proto57 1 year ago
I got a snow globe that does the same thing. :P
obagysan 1 year ago
@obagysan ...and the snow globe is much prettier, I'll bet. proto57.
proto57 1 year ago
I LIKE SHINY THINGS THAY SO PRIDY
fencingderek 1 year ago
There is not one single thing in existence in this universe that is not in perpetual motion.
Perhaps you could explain what energy field has kept the electron in orbit around the protons of the atoms for billions of years that you made your device from?
Why don't opposites attract and the electrons lose orbit and crash into the protons?
Could it be they are being fed by a superluminal shock wave that emits from black holes? Einstein screwed up Dirac and Maxwells work not to mention your head.
QuarkToo 1 year ago
@QuarkToo Good points, Quark: But I think the understanding now is that everything is in a state of decay, although very, very, slow by our standards. Perhaps I am wrong, but in your example, "electrons lose orbit and crash into the protons"... I think that is exactly what will happen, at some point. But if I am wrong... then your point is even more interesting, and I, too, would love to hear a convincing answer. Thanks for the post...
proto57 1 year ago
@proto57 one thing we all agree on is eveything is wrong. we really understand nothing about anything.
datzfast 1 year ago
@datzfast I agree. Think of the strong force, and the weak force, and all the argument and discussion which surrounds the current theories. Basically, nobody has any idea... they can quantify the forces, but not explain or relate them. Considering it's only the basic question of existence, that's pretty lacking...
proto57 1 year ago
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Creatinganeden 1 year ago
Only reason why there is no such thing as perpetual motion? big gove, big phama etc
TheBoHoBoy 1 year ago
Anythings possible and if you dont agree your just part of the problem. We will never evolve
kurbage 1 year ago
Agreed.
mrtrink 2 years ago
IMHO a sterling motor combined with a black radiator on the roof and a radiator in the ground water can be called a perpetuum mobile of the second kind. This would actually give me free energy as long as the motor and the radiators live.
As far as I can find the definition of a PM of the second kind does not require a closed system of ever lasting thermal energy of mysterious source.
maggzzz10 2 years ago
Hi again... I like that, "of the second kind". I was sketching out a few ideas of a tank system, with alternating black and white bands painted on them. With a banded "screen" over them, they would alternately heat and cool during the day, causing rise and fall of pressure several times during daylight. Not much power, and I think a sterling (sirling?) cycle system as you describe would be much better... Rich.
proto57 2 years ago
You fail to know that "free energy" doesn't refer to not costing money or time....
there is no "free energy" unless friction were gone........
madjimms 2 years ago
I'm not sure where you get your definition.,.. but I'll accept it, and have no argument with you about it. Personally I think it can mean either, though: Lack of friction, or lack of cost and time. In any case, I'm not sure how you assume that I "fail to know" this... your comment is a little vague in some ways... and has a double negative, which makes me wonder if I am correct in understanding in the first place... Please clarify...
proto57 2 years ago
Sorry, I assumed you were another "free energy devices will save the world!" people.
& about the double negative, well that's just a mistake on my part.
madjimms 2 years ago
Oh and another thing.
I think I posted this on the wrong video anyway....
madjimms 2 years ago
No harm, no foul. Glad it's cleared up... l8r
proto57 2 years ago
No youre talking about 100% efficiency in the absence of friction. Overunity is over 100% efficiency which is infinitely impossible
axe863 2 years ago
Well, both are currently impossible.
madjimms 2 years ago
One is not impossible at least in the asymptotic sense. We can have (100 - (1/10^100))% efficiency but over-unity will never ever be possible
axe863 2 years ago
The only objects that I see as being frictionless are single atoms & there electrons....
madjimms 2 years ago
lol .
24hosting 2 years ago
lol .. check again.
24hosting 2 years ago
proto actually made this very nice, but wrong, prototype based on incomplete fieldwork.He already knows a lot more about Drebbel's original perpetuum mobile. AFAIK he's still working on it. Click on more info and follow the url to his site.
maggzzz10 2 years ago
Thanks for the comments, Maggzzz... yes, I am still working on it. This winter I hope to break out the Unimat and turn some needed parts, and test some possible mechanisms. We can't know just what Drebbel did, but I feel I have narrowed it down to a few likely methods. I'll be sure to post the first tests... hopefully, by spring of 2010. Thanks... Rich.
proto57 2 years ago
sorry, that last one was only in my head, nice work!! Made in 1610. just paradox that perpetual and realy works... Drebbel's barometer -sounds beter
rekaras 2 years ago
No harm, no foul. I have found that the subject of perpetual motion is rife with controversy, politics and emotion. It's been very interesting, since the principles involved are very simple, and PM without input of energy is impossible. The odd thing is that most of the objectors (not you) who do not like my machine seem to think that PM is possible without input of energy... of course it is not. You are one of the few responders who know this, and look at it pragmatically and realistically.
proto57 2 years ago
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rekaras 2 years ago
rekaras: Every hear of a barometer? The needle is moved by changes in pressure in the atmosphere, relative to the pressure in a sealed container. This device, and the original, and a barometer or an Atmos clock, will all operate from pressure changes, even absent temperature changes. And the one I made did just this, without the hairdryer, just slower. It would move over an arc of about 35 degrees in 24 hours. I'm sorry, but you are entirely wrong on this.
proto57 2 years ago
Well...this is actually the best "perpetual motion" video on youtube. At least it shows a REAL effect....
GetMeThere1 2 years ago
Thank you for the realistic comment, and taking the time to understand the gizmo.
proto57 2 years ago
What PERPETUAL motion????
Does the author even know the definition of perpetual. It should be self sustainden.
pongracg 2 years ago 2
Yes, I am the author, and I assure you I do know the definition of "perpetual". And I know the requirements for that definition throughout history, what it meant in 1600, and what it means today. You did not read the description, or, as I write this, the 100+ others who made the same mistake as you. You will get quite an eye-opener... well, if this was not just a "drive by" slam comment (as many are), and visit again... and then, actually take the time to read everything here. Or stay, "SOS".
proto57 2 years ago
this is NOT perpetual motion machine, so why is the name of the clip ''Drebbel's Perpetual Motion Machine''??? ha?
earthga 2 years ago 6
HI Earth... the answer is in the description, and in many of my answers, above... but I'll repeat it here for you (modified slightly to help): For many centuries, until relatively recently, a machine which remained in motion perpetually, whether or not it received energy input form other sources (sun, tide, air pressure etc.) was considered a "perpetual motion machine". Today a perpetual motion machine can have no such input... of course, by this definition, they are impossible.
proto57 2 years ago
hi there!...maybe you should named clip:''the middle-age perpetual motion concept'' :)
today's concept is to build a device which is reciveing the energy from ''zero point field''(discovered by Tesla, not invention), but to induce this enegy, this device must 'borrow' the energy from sun, gravity, wind etc. and when you are reciveing more energy, then you are giveing on the input, the variation is from ''zero point''!
earthga 2 years ago
He, Earth: You say of the device you mention, "but to induce this enegy, this device must 'borrow' the energy from sun, gravity, wind etc. and when you are reciveing more energy, then you are giveing on the input"... then it, too, would not be perpetual motion by today's standards. If something like that could be made to work, though, it could be useful... whatever it was called. Have you seen one in operation?
proto57 2 years ago
Actually PERPETUUM MOBILE means ENDLESS MOTION! And what people mean by perpetuum mobile is to recive energy from nothing, and this is the product of the human stupidness!
earthga 2 years ago 5
i agree. the name of the vid is very misleading. to have a propetual motion machine, it is alowed to be started by an outside force, but once started, it must reamain in forever motion by its own self.
kittenswithketchup 2 years ago 2
i love how machines looked during the victorian era
ItsaUFOduh 2 years ago
Perpetual Motion... Even "semi" perpetual motion requires quite a bit of MOVEMENT. What were you demonstrating? The fact that you can by and video tape a toy you bought off the Internet?
yoyomagic 2 years ago
"Yoyo"... no, I made the machine, I did not buy it. As for what I was demonstrating, read the description and the many comments, and it will become clear to you. Thank you for the comments.
proto57 2 years ago
nice video, and i like the term semi-perpetual xD
5 stars
faulikus 2 years ago
Fake
oOOFrunXOOo 2 years ago
This is the same logic behind the drinking bird isn't it?
billpoo90 3 years ago
It's similar. The birds have an expanding liquid in them which also shifts the weight, causing them to tip. In the bird, the liquid expands, in this, the liquid is simply displaced. But the birds are actually closer to what I think Drebbel used, and may end up being part of my new device. BTW, the bird technique was used in some perpetual clocks made in the fifties.. with four, radiating bulbs (each working as a bird). Thanks for the comment.
proto57 3 years ago
so does it continue indefineatly?
the idea of perpetual motion is that an object continues unendingly without the loss or gain of energy.
which by the law of the conservation of energy is impossible.
gingernproud 3 years ago
Yes, it is impossible by today's defintiion. In Drebbel's time, and later, such machines ran on changes in atmospheric pressure, or the motion of the tides, or sunlight, etc., and were considered... and called... perpetual motion machines. Thank for the comment...
proto57 3 years ago
Why call it perpetual motion when you have to apply external energy (heat it up), then cool it down for each cycle of motion. It's only perpetual if you blow it with your hair dryer every few minutes.
kaloriblossom 3 years ago
If you read the description, and the other comments, it will be explained to you. But thank you for your comment.
proto57 3 years ago
make a large one with a rachet like device
and with the change in presure it could
be used to triger events but i noticed that u
are using hair drier if this drier is cause of change how does it work under normal conditions?
philotaaveti 3 years ago
Yes, it worked very well under normal conditions, without the hairdryer... just much slower. I also wonder just what you could drive with a larger version... Perhaps one could make one from a large tank, or such, and power a small generator. Maybe one could run a small light, or at least a radio... because a larger volume of expanding/contracting air could move a larger weight of fluid... which in turn would do more work...
proto57 3 years ago
you said it works by air currents... so then it's just a means of extracting energy from air.... so yeh, maybe bigger one could provide useful output, but we have more efficient ways of extracting energy from air: windmills
informative vid btw :)
BobTheElder 3 years ago
Bob: Yes I agree. This would be very inefficient for anything larger than a clock spring, and there would be better ways of utilizing natural differentials, such as air currents. Just to clarify, though... this does not use air currents, but differences in air pressure, like a barometer does. Think of the motion of a barometer's needle... slowly going back and forth as long as air pressure changes. Thanks for the comments.
proto57 3 years ago
Perpetual motion is not impossible you just need a constant energy supply and there are plenty of constant energy supllies not least gravity - The earth is in semi-perpetual motion around the sun, when you orbit the earth that is perpetual motion
13ricky 3 years ago
This is a machine that rocks back an forth with the differance in air presser. Just enough energy to turn a clock key.
This machine energy source is the Sun.
Pigcowgreen 3 years ago
Pigcowgreen! You win the prize! After almost 100 posts, you accurately stated just what this was, and what it did, in less words than it takes me to congratulate you. Thank you for the comment... you made my day. Proto57.
proto57 3 years ago
you're talking about perpetual motion being POWERED? surely that kinda defeats the point? regardless, there are no eternal energy supplies... gravity will provide energy.... until you hit the ground. and wtf is 'semi perpetual'? its either perpetual or not. and orbiting bodies in space are not.
BobTheElder 3 years ago
Please read the description, and my other answers, which will clarify. A perpetual motion device in Drebbel's time was any engine which ran perpetually without human added energy; today, it is anything which runs perpetually but does not need any supply of energy to continue. Of course this is impossible. I'm not sure what you are referring to as "semi perpetual"... another comment I have not yet noticed? I agree, "semi perpetual" is an oxymoron, and so, illogical. Thank you for the comment...
proto57 3 years ago
ah no this comment was in reply to something someone else said, not directed at the video :)
oh btw, thank you for exhibiting intelligence on the subject of perpetual motion :D it's a nice thing (intelligence) to see on youtube
BobTheElder 2 years ago
So this is a perpetual motion machine, not counting the electric hair dryer you used?
Lgilsig 3 years ago
Lgilsig: Yup. Read the description, and the almost 100 other comments, and you will have this explained to you. This is a motor which runs on differentials in air pressure and temperature, and it does work, and did work in the 1600's. It ran a clock. The hair dryer was only to speed it up for the video. At the time it was built, and for centuries after, it qualified as "perpetual", since it ran on existing conditions, without additional energy input.
proto57 3 years ago
I did read the comments and this machine, as shown, is not a perpetual motion device. Also, as you describe it, running on differences in temp and pressure, it is not a perpetual motion device. As soon as equilibrium is established between the device and its environment, the energy flow, such as it its, stops. Have I missed anything?
Lgilsig 3 years ago
Yes... In the time this machine was built, it fit the description of perpetual motion, because it would run perpetually. It would run the clockwork until the parts ran out. Drebbel believed this would be about 100 years. The Beverly clock (18th century, same principle) in the Albert museum ran for over 80 years before needing to be repaired. The second point is that it will not "establish equilibrium", because in a normal environment, temp and pressure vary... keeping it going.
proto57 3 years ago
I made a mistake... it is Cox's timepiece in Britain, the Beverly clock is in Australia. Cox's uses a bath of 150 pounds of mercury to drive the clock through temp differential. You can still buy an Atmos Clock, which winds itself forever on changes in room temp and pressure, but by using a sealed drum with a diaphragm. It will run until it breaks, because in normal conditions, temp and pressure change enough throughout the day, to do so.
proto57 3 years ago
It turns out that that such mechanisms, such clocks, are still referred to as perpetual motion... I did not realize that. So the term still applies to both the imaginary and impossible type, which will not work... and this type, which needs fluctuations in room temp and pressure. Cut/Paste this into the Youtube search: fUZnDfyEtkE Or put "Atmos" into ebay, or in Google. You will find that Atmos Clocks are "...known as perpetual motion clocks because they never have to be wound."
proto57 3 years ago
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BRONGOHORST 3 years ago
Watch it again, and you will see the sphere rotate on it's axis. This is due to the shifting weight of the liquid as it moves in the tube. The original 1600's device would operate a clock, so it did not have to move very often or far. It is believed it wound the clock spring. My next version, which I may finish this winter, will hopefully do this. Thank you for your comment.
proto57 3 years ago
epic fail.
Xatruch702 3 years ago
Read the description. Read the description. Read the description. Read the description. Read the description. Thank you.
proto57 3 years ago
POOR IDEA. In order for a Perpetual motion machine to exist (esp. one that generates more output energy), you will need to fly to GOD to get the machine. Perpetual motion is a zero-point state resulting in a net output of ZERO. Energy loss in any active system is inevitable. Maintenance of such a machine is inevitable. .... WaveMotionIndustries com
MnKndsDoom 3 years ago
RTFD:
Read The F***ing Description!
muell0815 3 years ago
this is not a perpetual motion machine. it is a demonstration of a modified hero's engine and your input of heat energy from the hair dryer far exceededd teh amount of mechanical energy of movement of the sphere. thus, probably at best 10 percent efficient and much closer to 1 percent transformation of energy.
suntzu1985 3 years ago
If you read the description, and other replies to comments, this would be explained to you. Yes- this operates on changes in air pressure and temperature, and the hair dryer is only to speed up the process for the video. But it is nothing like Hero's engine, which relies on the expulsion of a gas, like a jet, to cause rotation. This operates due to shifting weight of a displaced liquid. And there is no such thing as PM, anyway, but such devices were believed to be so, in the early 17th century.
proto57 3 years ago
then he should not have 'labeled' it 'perpetual motion'. it is scientifically interesting but really not practical for energy generation.
suntzu1985 3 years ago
You put an enormous amount of energy into the sphere for the minimal amount of movement it produced
seephor 3 years ago
If you read the description, this will be explained to you. The device works well on changes in ambient room air pressure and temperature, but too slowly for an interesting Youtube video. The hair dryer was used only to speed up the process in order to make a video. Thank you for the comment, though.
proto57 3 years ago
it isn't perpetual motion because u need to add heat
persondude33 3 years ago
READ THE FUCKING DESCRIPTION!
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ImTehCookieMonsta 3 years ago
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TheDrakenZ 3 years ago
You know, aside from this and his version of a submarine, cornelius van drebbel is the inventor of air conditioning. There were people in the church who objected to his creation because they believed it was playing god to artificially modify the seasons in controlled environments. I guess that's what they call a paradigm shift. From 'we'll burn you if you say the Earth is round', to 'ok, but you can't say it goes around the sun', to 'air conditioning is evil' to 'pennicilin is evil', etc.
supersandor 3 years ago
"Cool", Sandor! Thanks for the note on the cooling experiment. There is a chapter on this event in Shachtman's "Absolute Zero and the Conquest of Cold". Apparantly the PBS show Nova just did a show on this, and the DVD is available from Netflix. I put it on the list. Thanks again... Rich.
proto57 3 years ago
What's perpetual about stickeing 130Watts heat energy into it with a blow dryer beforehand?
unimatrixZxero 3 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. As an aside, a hair dryer is about 1200 to 1500 watts, not 130.
proto57 3 years ago
If its not perpetual motion than dont say it is
anonomus29 3 years ago
Are you by any chance the father.... Youtube this..(Miss Teen USA 2007 - South Carolina answers a question)
Or you must be related. You would still have to...HMMM perpetually hair dry this bowl thing to make it move side to side. You should attach a crank shaft to it, then a generator to it, you might save the world's oil crisis with it.
ArturoMoises2 3 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. Maybe that poor Miss Teen simply did not read the description... um... I mean, script... before answering?
proto57 3 years ago
so how much energy did this create??i dont know but i bet your hairdryer used more!!
nillllllll 3 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But of course it put in far more energy than delivered... that's physics... you should read comments, before assuming and posting.
proto57 3 years ago
I could be wrong about this, but the only thing I see perpetual is the negative comments I find about your elaborate experiment, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? How is this perpetual motion? will you stand with your hair dryer for ever heating and letting it cool to proove your point?.
ArturoMoises2 3 years ago
Long before people understood that perpetual motion was impossible, almost any machine which would run continously was thought to be so. That is, in the sense the tides are considered "perpetual", so would something powered by them. Of course we know better today. I use "perpetual" in the title, in the earlier, 17th century sense. But read the description, and you will see there is less "wrong with me" than you seem to think.
proto57 3 years ago
according to my calculations... this video is a corruption to my formula: Ax+v2*h2o... WANK
Soccerownzu 3 years ago
You have that wrong... it's AX+V4*h2o+83... then, "WANK". Thank you for the comment, though.
proto57 3 years ago
well in that case so has perpetual motion been obvious for 1000 of years..example?earth and planets...OK? smarty??
marceltony 3 years ago
Hi, Marceltony: You are correct that celestial motions might be considered "perpetual", and that is the sense the word in used in the title of this video. But in the modern sense, true "perpetual motion" implies more energy is created than is actually used... And simple physics tells us this is impossible.
proto57 3 years ago
Hi, proto. At the risk of appearing dim ... one thing is not clear. The water may be moving in the tube but the sphere itself seems to be turning, too. Doesn't that boil down to the same thing? The reason I ask is that I had been under the impression that the sphere in Drebbel was stationary. In any case, it's VERY difficult to see the exact path of the water in the tube and the motion because the camera itself is moving. Any chance of another angle on this? Keep up the work, though.
echoed61 3 years ago
You make a very good point. I've read every description, and seen every image, I can find of Drebbel's devices. Some imply that the sphere rotated, some that the fluid alone moved, and some that the fluid moved some other mechanism to make the clockwork move. This version is based on the Antonini drawing and description, which seemed to imply "rocking" of the sphere... which is just what happens when the shifting of the fluid's weight upsets it. My next version will rotate.
proto57 3 years ago
is the heat free...idiot
marceltony 3 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway (Does anyone read descriptions? Or read the dozens of other posts which answered this?)
proto57 3 years ago
I HAVE been working with actual perpetual motion for 15 years now and...It IS achievable...I have it and the only reason i go to these sights is to see if someone else had the same idea as me and that is a negative.P M IS VERY POSSIBLE
marceltony 3 years ago
BEHOLD
The Second law of Thermo Dynamics
Idiot
Shotgunlemming 3 years ago
Well please take it to your local big name college and display it. Then just sit back and wait for your nobel prize in physics.
BugNuggets 3 years ago
Thanks for this excellent demonstration. I am writing a novel in which our friend Drebbel features and demonstrates this machine. Though descriptions and images vary, it's nice to see one that resembles Drebbel's in motion, as it were. My only caveat would be that I'd like to see how it moved over a period of time. For example, if it were brought into a very cold room after being in a warm room or at least having been warmed up, how long would it keep going ...?
echoed61 3 years ago
Very interesting about your novel. Good luck with that. As for the change into a cold room... it would probably move to a new postition within minutes, then stay there until the conditions in the new room changed. My next version... which I am working on... is more accurate to Drebbel's. It is very different. I found two illustrations of the actual device... write me if you want to see it. I'll email an image to you. You cannot find it online...
proto57 3 years ago
Hi proto, that's very helpful and is more or less what I hoped for, given my unscientific bent. The images would be very welcome! Btw, are you at a college or is it a kind of hobby? Looks like the former from the video.
echoed61 3 years ago
LMAO the heart gun used about 20% of the average electricity used by the average house hold in a month. Do you even know what Perpetual motion means?
thomasuras 4 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway (Does anyone read descriptions? Or read the dozens of other posts which answered this?)
proto57 3 years ago
Perpetual motion does not exist.
1stAmend1791 4 years ago
You are correct. Read the description (and many posts), and you will see I agree. However, in Drebbel's time, they did not make the distinction between true perpetual motion without external power, and devices which would operate perpetually on a vertually infinate source of power... such as changing air pressure... which would not be considered perpetual motion today.
proto57 4 years ago
proto57, people don't read any more. We live in a societal system that does everything for us. Even our thinking.
enigma067 4 years ago
Your Dont exsist!?!
Zorn101 4 years ago
that's not perpetual motion, it's more like a heat power kind of thing, perpetual motion is something that needs no force acted apon to start an action.
jerem1661 4 years ago 4
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many comments. As for the heat from hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. Also, at the time of Drebbel, there was not the distinction you make. But thank you for your interest.
proto57 4 years ago
A perpetual motion machine CAN have an energy source - like a push, or constant electricity - as long as it makes more energy than needed to work. (against first law themodynamics). Just saying there are diff types.
WingedDrant 4 years ago
what about nuclear power? dont you get more out than goes in?
gutaxe 3 years ago
no, you release trapped energy. For a reasonable explanation attend an A-level physics class.
Shotgunlemming 3 years ago
did you know that the same bunch of idiots who teach physics are the same ones who said flight was impossible ..less that 80 years ago....IDIOT
marceltony 3 years ago
Not quite sure how that scrap of a post got there, but anyway.
The 100 year anniversary of flight was last year, or possibly the year before, I forget. It would be remarkable for anyone capable of denying that flight was possible could still be teaching/breathing today.
Get your history right, get your facts straight and offer reasoned argument instead of low grade abuse of intelligent, if sometimes misguided, people. Then i may spare some time to debate with you..... IDIOT
Shotgunlemming 3 years ago
give it up you cannot reach the rhealm of my knowledge ...you r not even on the brink. In other words you don't even have a klick...p s ..1 clue =2 klicks
marceltony 3 years ago
Remarkable, after all this the best riposte you can offer is a self declaration of your genius.
I may still be able to assist with you spelling and grammar however. I suspect what you were aiming to say was:
Give it up, you cannot reach the realms of my knowledge, you are not even on the brink.
The last bit was incomprehensible to me, althought I should add that 'klick' is spelt click.
Shotgunlemming 3 years ago
Why is it that a statement like this is guaranteed to come from an idiot. The first recorded manned flight was in 1783 (in a balloon). Not only does your 'rhealm' [sic] of knowledge not extend to the English language, also excludes the ability to use the internet to do any research.
If you are below the age of 8 then I apologize, otherwise you are a moron.
Josypher8888 3 years ago
Can you find a quote of an actual physicist saying flight was impossible or is that just something your great-great-grandpa who knew them told you?
Besides, why would a physicist claim something was impossible when the possibility of flight has been obvious for 1000s of years just by observing that birds do it.
BugNuggets 3 years ago
that is your a level class that YOU attended haha lol
marceltony 3 years ago
All British Physics A-levels and equivalents will cover this topic, it is linked to the boffin-bashers favourite equation, E=MC squared. Try getting an education, practical or otherwise, they are terribly useful.
Shotgunlemming 3 years ago
That definition is false, no machine is going to move of its own volition, newton's first law states this, but a perpetual motion machine is a machine that will continue running beyond what can be accounted for by the initial energy input.
teddyrxpin 4 years ago
perpetual motion is not impossible it is inevitable! as long as there is still a universe anyway!
MattBlytheTheOne 4 years ago
A bit of a sidetrack there. I was referring to the amount of abuse people were giving the guy, not the guy himself.
The only thing that Bill Gates did was start off the internet boom, making the PC wasnt that important, we'd be using applemac's instead.
CallumPop 4 years ago
Oh, now I see...
LongIslandEddie 4 years ago
So this obviously isn't perpetual motion since you have to supply the heat power using a hair dryer. Thats like saying perpetual motion is when you push ball uphill with a fire hose and then watch it roll back down the hill.
olinselot 4 years ago
Its Drebbels Perpetual Motion Machine, not Proto57's. He's using a hair dryer to speed up the effect, just read the description, and stop trying to be clever.
CallumPop 4 years ago
sweet
AntiDoc 4 years ago
This is NOT perpetual motion! It's a very inefficient way of converting heat to rotation.
doofyee 4 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway.
proto57 4 years ago
Wow, at least YOU were right. Thanks..great site. I guess I had to make sure you weren't making it up so naturally I had to check to be sure of course out of scientific curiosity only. We are all intellectuals here of course. Giggidy giggidy...woo hoo!!! Now what were we talking about?
lookatthewholething 4 years ago
Wow!!! When someone invents a perpetual hairdryer + perpetual idiot to operate it you'll be rich.
melbournaut 4 years ago
You did not read the description, which states, "They were of course not true perpetual motion, which is impossible... but operated due to varying air pressure in a room."... as I replied to many other comments. As for the hair dryer, I also point out in the description that it is only to speed the process. The device works without it, over a period of hours. But thank you for the "idiot" comment anyway.
proto57 4 years ago