Tha annual seal hunt is sick and pointless. Hunters hit them in the head with clubs and shoot them in the face just for a prize. Thats just uncivilized and disgusting. And on top of that it wastes millions of tax dollars. Seals are just killed for a profit. They are gonna become endangered too because of effin humans (but not the ones who actually LIVE off the meat.) And if the younger ones wont survive without the older ones so wtf is this "law" gonna do?
Lets hope their wives and mothers and childeren are gang raped.If anyone knows anybody that calls this a career choice, please pass my comments on to them.These men are not human and it would be no great loss to human kind if they just fell off the earth and took their families with them.
I don't know why, but the frenchies and all (My birth language may be french, but am Quebecor) bullshit seal hunting, but they don't bullshit theire foie gras. ...it's even worst...
The mothers only nurse the white coated young for 12 days before weening then they leave them on their own on the ice. So the babies really, really will survive just fine without the adults. Harp seals aren't "long-term" parents.
Jesus Christ, how many years will it be before these "Politicians" will finally make the killing of ANY of these seals illegal? So a bunch of young, baby seal pups will be wobbling around on the ice with no mother? BAN THE SEAL HUNT ENTIRELY YOU IDIOTS.
thats a start but how is a baby seal gonna survive without a mother?? besides it doesnt make the beating any better. its still sadist and makes me cry. i dont get the point of the seal hunt anyways..
@cheer0mai7jah It's because, unlike what the reporter said, the population is exploding because there naturel predatores are indangered, and so they eat more and more fish, and the fish they eat are now indangreed, so we need to hunt some of them to keep them alive (Irronicly). But this guy (The reporter) siad it was just made illigal to hunt young seals, but that can't be news, because it was never made ligal to hunt baby seals in the first place.
Even if there natural predators are endangered, the fish numbers will drop to a point where the seal population will be forced to decline, eventually it will all equal out. Same thing happened off South Australia. The only way it wont equal out is if humans are catching loads of fish
It's great that the baby seal hunt is banned, but killing adult seals isn't that much better, because the babies depend on mothers for milk and survival.
The acts committed by sealers have been categorized as a Federal Crime in the United States. The American people & nation are against it, so a crank such as squirrelslayer below cheering killers from a Foreign power against the US is a traitor against his own nation
Also, the MAJORITY of good CANADIANS are against the seal hunt
Sealers hurt Canadians, they cause a Financial loss to millions of Canadians & bring stink upon Canada's Flag. All good Canadian patriots are against extremist Sealers
@Thanato26 the sealers are fishermen there is a movement to re emberse them with lost funds they would be paid to stop sealing. if they wanted food they would kill the adult seals not the pups, pups are killed for there fur for the fashion industry.
@AdmiralGarth3903 i just wish the americans could get behinf the australians who aren't rascist and help us stop whaling if you see footage of it it is just as brutal. same with dolphins 23000 dolphins are killed each year. please see through the lies and ignore the narcissist racist idiots who don't know what it is to be an aussie and help those of us who want an end to this brutality.
Really? Really? How about i take a club and bash your head in or a spear and stick in your throat and drag you away? How'd you like tha you damn prick!!
you don't even know me dumb ass i hate sealers but if they where to be brutally bashed we would be seen as just as bad sea sheperd have done great against sealing by banning seal fur in the uk cutting out a huge part of there market greatly reducing demand
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Okay, the only thing I can now see is idiots arguing. Other side says it's business, other one only cares that the animals that are killed are fluffy and cute. I don't care about the seals anymore. I find humans idiots and trolls and propably I am going through an angst.
Seal meat is contaminated. Seal meat contains high levels of Methyl Mercury, 1000 times higher than other items. If eaten, it causes mental problems, it seeps into the human brain, reduces intelligence, and if a person eats it, their children may be born with birth defects.
Sealers attempt to entice people to eat it. Including hurting fellow Canadian citizens. And sealers attempted to feed it to children. Sealers hurt Humans.
the same is with dolphin meat in japan and whales cought outside of antarctica but dna test prove that dolphin meat is mixed with whale meat and sold together killing marine mamals is harming humans to
Multiple sealers face charges in Provincial Court stemming from actions took place during the Canadian Seal Hunt, said Jerry Walsh of the Federal Fisheries Dept
The seal hunters violated the federal marine mammal regulations that deal with illegal weapons, improperly skinning seals and a total of 17 counts of criminal violations.
The Sealers were caught after tips from Canadian citizens lead to observation by officers who apprehended them.
My God Admiral! Just read the info you sent me. From the mouths of the sealers themselves! Interesting, and excellent evidence of the sort of animal cruelty that goes around. I now agree with you regarding canucktunes. Completely factless, baseless and totally debunked. Thank you. I am glad to see that this sort of propaganda does not go unchecked and unchallenged here in Canada. Keep up the good work.
The user Canucktunes is a known fraudulent user who posts debunked Pro animal killing propaganda and has been exposed as a known discredited user all over youtube. The specific items he brings up have been debunked and the study points on his side shown to be garbage pseudoscience concocted by observers that were complicit in distorting results, evidence tampering, and participation in criminal acts. canucktunes is a mouthpiece for anti-canadians who wish to harm their. own country of Canada.
Thank you AdmiralGarth. I did wonder why this canucktunes fellow would hang on to one specific argument regarding nerve twitching of dead creatures when his main opponent in the argument was detailing something completely unrelated to that specific occurrence. I myself am not one for arguing but a line has to be drawn somewhere. If it does not make sense, it is not true. Thank you for the warning.
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None of what I posted was debunked by anyone. Period.
The user from which that "debunk" claim comes from spammed the Vancouver 2010 videos with off topic posts, trolled numerous videos with personal insults, baiting and actually accused me of working for the Canadian government.
You cheap tricks wont keep people from reading the EFSA report found by googling EFSA-Q-2007-118
Make sure to see how the EFSA report repeatedly cites other studies as comparisons on how neonatal animals can be dispatched the quickest. Your claim is most quickly debunked in my first video "False Comment #1: We don't kill baby seals anymore." Which you maintain to this day that you don't......Watch.
Meanwhile, you can go and argue your "swimming movements" against video of a seal that is still alive while being skinned from the face right down the belly to the tail. Go fight the good fight, soldier. Hope it makes your day a better one. If it does..well, that's a crying shame.
You're assuming it's alive because you refuse to look into the swimming reflex.
Even some cows have postmortem twitching after they suffer head trauma at the slaughterhouse. And humans are known to have similar reactions when they're beheaded and have severe head trauma.
If it breathes and screams, it's alive. I paid attention in biology class juuuuuust fine. I can see you failed it miserably. Don't talk stupid with me, son. Honestly. Picking at straws is pathetic. Use some common sense.
You're exaggerating something you've allegedly seen into the norm and i'm picking at straws ?
All you have are condescending statements and personal insults. You know nothing of the subject. You saw one video and have decided to make this your cause.
Nope, sorry. Nice try. You can try to lead the conversation all you want. You've been doing a terrible job since we started. Your arguments are too transparent to hold water.
Your science is bullshit, just like your comments. You can call that an "emotional response" all you want. I call out bullshitters. I'm an expert at it. You show me where science says that a screaming animal who's being skinned alive or dragged across the ice with a fork in it's head is just going through a "swimming reflex." Don't worry, canuck. For every 1 of you, there are 20 of me. And just in case you're confused....we're the smart ones! G'bye!
It isn't my science. It's science. The very science that forced IFAW to recognize it. Your posturing, exaggerations and diversionary tactics will not change it.
canucktunes you aren't listening to what he is saying. SG isn't denying anything about nerve twitching or anything like that. If I shoot you in the head, I know you're going to flop around like a tuna for a little while. What part aren't you understanding about all this? It's about the ethical killing of these animals. It's been proven time and time again that they're killed inhumanely and with absolutely no regard for their suffering. It's a barbaric act no matter how you slice it.
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BTW, if you guys don't want to read the report, there is a summary.
Basically the EFSA concluded that there is a consensus in the veterinary field that the vast majority of seals are hunted humanely.
Even IFAW claimed that 58% of the 76 seals they surveyed for skull fractures were likely sufficiently unconscious.
The activist funded reports have never truly established a significant rate of violations. They merely implied systemic violations and let their supporters imagine the rest.
"Systemic" violations are what create an unintentionally inhumane hunt. Latent errors are what cause animal suffering. Just because they are latent doesn't mean they can be excused.
Or it may have something to do with the fact that I joined YouTube to post a comment about a car that SG was talking about, and the two of us began communicating. People do communicate, last I checked. Paranoia runs rampant in your life, I see.
Judging by what AdmiralGarth3903 just said about you, I think the only hater/troll/newbie using so-called tactics is you, my friend. Every argument you've used has pretty much been silly from what I've been reading. I'll take Garth's advice and SG's arguments over yours, thank you very much. I must apologize, but you've been mercilessly discredited, but for good reason.
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BTW, I joined Youtube on March 5th, 2006. That channel info can't be faked.
I uploaded over 50 videos since then, none of which are about sealing, hunting, trolling, calling people lairs, etc. Most of them are actually of cute animals, so I'm clearly not for animal cruelty.
I've watched over 16 thousand videos, a few hundred of which were about sealing, so sealing isn't why I'm here.
That said, you prove my point in regards to activists not doing their homework and being easily convinced.
And it's the funniest thing how the only reason you come on here is to spread your rhetorical spin on the seal slaughter, yet you have never uploaded a single video about the one thing you are most passionate about; killing baby animals. How disingenuous.
In the end canucktunes can't resist biting the hand that feeds the seal hunters. Were it not for 2 elements 1.) The depressed post WWII European economy and 2.) animal activists, there would be no harp seals left to argue over. Please continue attacking those people who ultimately saved your precious industry in the 1960's and 70's. Thought you would have learned your lesson.
I see you came in her to get your own hit of "Trolling" heroin yourself canucktunes. The King of the trollers himself. Sounds like an addiction to me. Remember CT, the first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.
If a seal gets hooked in the face by a drive-by boat, are you honestly going to tell me that it died instantly? Continue making a fool out of yourself. You could host a seminar on the topic and make millions. Really! It might just be your niche!
Yes, of course! Shoot it in the head, like a responsible hunter. Quick, easy, painless. But do you honestly expect me to believe that most countries are going to fork out that much money for ammunition, when they can cut costs by handing their hired killers some spiked clubs, machetes, hatchets and spears? The people out on the ice doing the kill don't give a rats ass whether the animal is dead or not. That's the point you keep missing. That's the least of their priorities!
You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about if you think all seal hunt are organized by government bodies and that the majority of seals are clubbed.
In Canada the vast majority of seals are shot in the commercial hunt and these people buy their own rifles. The majority of seals are also shot in Greenland and Norway. This is confirmed in the EFSA report.
The second tool used in Canada and Norway is the Hakapik, which is also effective according to the EFSA.
And the evidence has been there from the start that sealers don't use humane methods to kill these animals. They're shot and left to die slowly, skinned alive, hooked in the face and dragged along the ice, you name it. That's fact. No "selective editing" (rolls eyes) was used to butter up people. Let me guess...we didn't land on the moon either, did we? Or 9/11 was an inside job? When you argue in favor of mass slaughter, it speaks about your character, just like I've always said.
The simple fact is this: you are the type of person who would have no problem booting a cat across the room, or chaining up a dog in the backyard on a short leash with no water to drink for days on end. That's who you are. I know your type. You represent a percentage of the population that is prone to sociopathic behavior without any remorse, guilt or apprehension. People like you end up taking it out on your wives and children as well. When you play a numbers game, it becomes a concern.
Best not to keep talking, canucker. Every post you make, the word "asshole" gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger. But, knowing people like you, with your sort of pretentious and boastful mentality, you'll just take it as a compliment. Which isn't surprising. But whatever way you cut it, you've proven your character as a lesser human being. Don't argue. It's how I said it is. You don't have the right to even talk about it. I'm DONE with you, child.
False indignation and retreat. Atypical of someone that doesn't have much to add to a discussion on the subject, other than personal insults and baiting.
So everyone, focus your attention on "canucktunes," a guy who will look at a completely unedited, continuous helicopter shot that lasts almost 5 minutes of an animal suffering, and he'll call it "highly edited propoganda." This is the hallmark of a person who doesn't give two shits about anything other than himself, and what other species can do FOR HIM. Congratulate him, because he's working really hard to promote his species as the only one that really matters in the grand scheme of things.
Oh, BTW - I have no vested interest in the seal hunt and if you could be trusted to do research you would have determined that I couldn't be a sealer from my profile information. I'm not even related to anyone in that industry.
In regards to a five minute video of a seal in agony, the HSUS allowed a seal to suffer for over 40 minutes. This can be seen on a video entitled "Truth behind HSUS award-winning anti-sealing video".
Congratulations...you've succeeded in confusing the living piss out of me. So what's your point? Are you for it? or against it? Or what? You straddle that fence really well. Hope it isn't chafing anything.
And the opportunist is back. So much for "I'm DONE with you", huh ?
You're confused because you've oversimplified the issue and have only consulted anti-sealing web sites.
Yours is a B&W position and you are unable to fathom the possibility of people liking animals and supporting their consumption.
You are stuck in an anthropomorphic feedback loop and think people can't be convinced to feel guilty like you, under the guise of "compassion". That's why you're so frustrated and angry.
canuck, it's always been the way I said it was. You can't compete. Stay away from dictionary(dot)com in an attempt to gain some sort of a verbal arsenal. Your arguments are the biggest selection of nonsense I've ever heard in my life. When you use terms like "swimming reflex," I can't help but kill myself laughing at (A) your stupidity, or (B) your overinflated pretentious ego. Take your pick. It's one of those. There are no (C), (D) or (E) to choose from. Don't argue. You simply can't.
Wow. Just....wow. You go out of your way to make excuses for this sort of thing. "Wow" is the word of the day. I can see you're never going to get it. Instead of continuing to argue with a cinder block, I'll just it a little quote....."Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of character and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man." - Arthur Schopenhauer, German Philosopher.
At first I wasn't going to even dignify that question with a response, but what the hell? We aren't talking about the way these animals swim. We're talking about them laying on a biggggggg slab of ice, only to have some trolling boat drive by and hook one right in the face, then drag it along the ice. Or the idiot who shoots one from a Helicopter, then watches it bleed to death for 5 minutes. The seal isn't trying to swim, clown! It's writhing in agony. Would you like it done to you?
That response is proof that you have not looked into the swimming reflex. And you clearly don't know what the normal procedures are in regards to the commercial hunt in Canada if you think sealers in Canada regularly use helicopters to hunt - They use ships, Shirlock.
I never said anything about Canada! Where did I mention Canada? I can generalize the seal hunts no matter what method of transportation is used. Helicopters ARE used in seal hunts. It doesn't necessarily mean they're used in Canada. And "swimming reflex," "swimming reflex." You use that term as a smokescreen for your simple, clear lack of compassion for anything, or anyone except yourself. You're bringing a toothbrush to a machine gun fight with that argument.
Tell you what. I'll give you my address, you come down here, and I'll hook you in the face with a giant hook, then drag you down the street in my car, Okay? Then you can tell me if you're feeling the urge to swim or not. Sound good? Your choice! I leave it to you.
Sorry, no dice. My wife is a highly respected, professional veterinarian. I'll take her years of expertise and knowledge of animal biology over your convenient, yet baseless Quote Farming any day of the week.
Your profile says you're Canadian so your wife would adhere to the findings of the association she would be a member of, The Canadian Veterinary Medical Association (the CVMA), in regards to the "swimming reflex", mentioned in their September 2002 report.
No veterinarian would ever dismiss postmortem spasms and twitching. It is common in their field.
BTW, here's what the CVMA said in their report : 'One issue of contention has been the swimming reflex. When killed by acute trauma to the brain, harp seals, like
other animals, often undergo a period of tremors or convulsions. These consist of strong lateral movements of the caudal portion of the body, described as swimming
reflex (hereafter referred to as reflex movements), which have been interpreted by some animal welfare advocates as implying persistence of conscious life.'
True the harp seal has a strong postmortem swim reflex, but this can't be relied upon as a crutch to repeatedly cling to. I have footage of live seals being dragged to boats after being clubbed and hooked in the mouth. Check out "Inuit Hunters Code" there's one in that one. The truth is the EFSA report said they recommended the hunt not be limited to only a few days so the sloppy haste latent in to hunt end. I'm try to remember the last time I saw a slaughterhouse employee running at work.
And why was the seal suffering to begin with? You think it's HSUS's job to follow the sloppy Canadian commercial seal butchers around and deliver coup de gras all day long?
This issue is the lazy activist's favorite. They think visiting anti-sealing web sites is "research" and rarely read the studies from which their claims allegedly come from. And they simply dismiss everything that doesn't support their dubious conjecture as biased and not peer reviewed.
It's much more convenient for them to paint people as cruel or whatever than to actually discuss the issue, which would require them to do real research.
People love to sound intelligent and "above" everyone else when they're Pro-Seal Hunt. Truth is, it just makes them look sociopathic, irresponsible and without any hint of morality, ethics or compassion. To even suggest that humans need to intervene to prevent the swelling of the seal population (convenient excuse for mass commercial slaughter) is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, in a long history of dumb comments. If it looks wrong, it is. And this looks wrong, because it IS wrong.
I wasn't trying to sound intelligent but you sure sound sanctimonious with that guilt peddling psychobabble of yours.
Yes, it's always the same routine isn't it. You don't want people to discuss facts - You want them to get as overemotional and judgmental as you are and to ignore every scientific study that finds the methods as humane as the slaughterhouses.
The emotional bias in the activists was also recognized by the EFSA report.
Big big, BIG difference between you and me: no matter how you slice it, or try to make it sound like it's perfectly normal, you still sound like an asshole and a prick. Me? I'm the one who sees something blatantly wrong with what's going on. I'm the one with the compassion. You aren't. And don't talk to me about "highly edited" videos, fuckwit. You can't "highly edit" a video of a seal that just got shot, then flops around suffering for 5 minutes while it's bleeding to death. Fucking moron.
That very report failed to take into consideration that the slaughter industry DOES NOT have a 5% struck and lost rate. That 5% alone exceeds the cattle industry's need for a secondary stun. THEN, you can add the need for secondary stuns on to that in the seal slaughter. Add to it that 42% of the time hunters were unwilling to palpitate the skulls to guarantee unconsciousness before skinning. Illegal. Where does it end CT? What's more the slaughter ind. doesn't kill baby animals for fur.
42% sounds like a lot of seals ! but you forgot to mention that it was 42% of 75 carcasses examined, & just because the cranium was not crushed it does not mean that the animal was conscious, there are other places on the body that deliver a fatal blow also!
sorry i forgot to mention that those very few hunters that do not take the time to palpate the cranium before skinning SHOULD lose their seal hunting licenses for good ! "one bad apple can spoil the bunch"would be fitting here!
Deep down I doubt the seal industry really cares about that sort of thing. All they see are dollar signs and figures. I guarantee that no one on the board of directors is saying "I propose that we send an investigative team out there to find out if the seals are being killed properly!" Hunting is one thing, but this is mass slaughter. To go out on the ice and commit these acts is enough evidence that these people probably don't care whether they delivered a quick and painless death or not.
One of the biggest problems with the Canadian Harp seal slaughter is that it is a timed even. Fishermen/sealers have to rush everything in order to maximize profits. If they are seen doing anything but hurrying in front of the fellow ship mates it's frowned upon. The EU recommended that in order to maximize humanity that the hunt not take place over such a short time (3-5 days) But, do you think they listened to a gov't body that holds sway over the existence of the hunt? Naaaaaah!!
The user 223gunner has just posted items which are in violation of Federal Law. This user would be apprehended & convicted if caught while engaged in the hunt. 223gunner just posted "there are other places on the body that deliver a fatal blow"--This is a violation of the Federal MMR Section IV which FORBIDS that. Advocating hits to other parts means they do not know the regs & are debunked from any further credibility on the seal hunt. If they did what they stated on the floe theyd be convicted
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mind your own business when you do not know the whole conversation Yank ! you know it all by the sounds of it , lmao! when you have factors impeding a head shot such as the sea state causing the ice to move,the boat heaving around, the seal could be moving about . so previous years did not have the 3 step process . so if the seal was dead whether it was a body shot or not there was no need the crush the cranium !
Current posting and urging of acts by user 223gunner which violate MMR equals sufficient probably cause to submit a report on the individual for review of aerial CCG hunt observation tapes & ground-based surveillance documentation by Fisheries officers for acts committed in violation. As well as an entry into the authorities database for monitoring & special scrutiny of the actions of this individual with regard to present & subsequent Seal Fisheries activities. Report Filed. 124-7c
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how dare you insinuate an activity as seal hunting which demises the local fishery to an extent to uproar activist and civil violation of human right and judge as an army official i strongly advise you stick you and your colony of opinions in a place left for idiots like you to imagine
This user is doing more than talking. This user is a perpetrator. He's not just talking, he is one of the actual killers that is operating weapons. Not only that, this user has admitted to violations of federal law. Publishing the fact that one has actually engaged in crime is sufficient for probable cause. Thus by him bragging on youtube & posting on the net, he opened himself up. There are surveillance tapes taken by officers. Thus he is the one that opened himself up to investigation.
I doubt that ny opinion matters to anyone else but myself but personally this us great news and I wish that Canada would have the guts to follow this example.
I get the feeling that soon one day we all will be hunted, and maybe there will be those "beings" that might start a program to stop 'Human slaughter". I think most will change their tune.
Well, these animals are in no way as emotionally attached to their offspring as we are so yours in an inapt fantasy, just like that fictional "slaughtered in front of parent(s)" scenario.
Male harp seals do not take care of their offspring ; They're too busy mating with as many females as possible. And females leave their pups within two weeks of birth to and never return (they would starve to death if they didn't).
This is about respecting nature, not sucking the life out of it for corporate greed. That's all the seal hunt is: a corporate moneymaking machine. We don't NEED to do it, but we do anyways. Sorry, but if seals were butt-ugly, I still wouldn't condone this sort of thing. You are either emotionally detached or sociopathic to be a seal hunter (don't fuckin' argue, it's fact). People here say that seal hunting "keeps the population in check." What planet are you from, may I ask, to be that stupid?
Paul Watson claimed sealers were "cigarette smoking apes". Many apes are actually threatened while the harp seal is not.
The 2008 IUCN Red List site confirms that harp seals are not threatened and their numbers are increasing, even with the hunt.
Multiple independent parties have stated that the methods used in Canada, Greenland and Norway are humane, which was confirmed by the European Food Safety Authority on their December 2007 EU commissioned report (EFSA-Q-2007-118).
I LOVE calling bullshit. Please, you've got the entire YouTube video library at your disposal. Why not type in "Seal Hunt," watch a few videos and tell me if they're being humane. I don't care what "multiple independent parties" might claim. That's heresay and bullshit if I ever heard it. No seal hunter is going out there, worried about being "humane" when they have a quota to meet, and a time limit to work with. Don't be so stupid, and don't make excuses for this sort of thing. Pathetic!
I see you were impressed by the highly edited videos, with their slick dramatic music and soap opera voice-overs.
IFAW hired people to watch three years of their raw footage for their March 2001 report and these experts did not see what you apparently imagine in these videos. Why ? Because they obviously know more about postmortem reflexes/twitching that you do.
Harp seals have a pronounced postmortem reaction. It's common is chickens as well.
The hunting and trade of whitecoats was banned in Canada 22 years back so Russia will get to enjoy decades of activist propaganda just like Canada did now.
After all, it's quite easy for them to claim the rules aren't being followed. They don't need to prove anything because these animals are cute.
And if Russia tries to up their production of Sable furs to make up for the losses, the anti-fur people will spread propaganda about that as well.
And why are they putting an African in front of the cam? Are there so many blacks living in Russia that they must be represented on a Russian news channel?
I never clubbed them, and never bought their fur. They owe me because they are the lower form of life. That's just the order of this place. Live if you want, but don't be taking those millions for protection and repopulation.
Who defines superiority? There is no ultimate superiority in nature. One animal is superior to another, but also inferior to another. Evolution is trade-off after trade-off. The eagle does not see in color like we do. Are we superior? No, because the eagle can see a mouse from a mile away. Go live in a Seal's arctic environment without clothing and tech. Try to live there, testing your ability to survive in the freezing temperatures. You *will* die. The seal is superior to you in that aspect.
We have evolved consciousness by mostly chance. We were not picked by some superior force to have consciousness. We were just lucky enough to get it before some other animal. That does not make us superior. Look at all the terrible things we've done with this 'consciousness'. Holding humans superior to other or all animals is the window to your shoddy intelligence. Your belief of humans as the dominant power is dogmatic, which is hilarious because I'm presuming you an Atheist.
as long as I can outsmart an animal in every way, I'm superior. I know what are you trying to say, but that does not make a lot of sense. We are superior because we can decide what fate entire species will share. Now should we kill every thing just because we can? No, but we shouldn't protect them, especially if it costs money, especially if we are in economic shit.
There are many animals that can outsmart you. Therefore, there are many animals superior to you, by your logic. By the way, we don't decide the fate of species. Almost always, they die out or survive on their own without our help. Most of the money spent on the protection of animals isn't just pulled from no where. It is usually saved on the side and doesn't take away from any crisis protection money. Hey, you should stop paying money for your internet and save it for the economy.
That's an aspect that we excel in. Absolute superiority is impossible. That is what I have been saying. What will a turtle do with its superior armor? Survive harsh impact, something we can't do so well. The turtle is superior to us in that aspect. So, I guess it should kill us because it might deem us inferior because it has one advantage over us (your logic). You're an illogical train wreck. All you do is zig-zag over excuses trying to justify your backwards thinking. Good luck in life. :3
Thanks. Same to you. Sometimes, It's healthy to watch at world trough different lenses. Just because You don't like every animal does not mean you are a bad or closed minded person. What some animals do have, is physical advantages. Human is still on the top of the food chain.
We're not legitimately on top of the food chain. Without our third-party items (guns, missiles, bombs, traps, etc) we would easily slip down the food chain. Throw a hungry unarmed human into a cage with a grizzly bear and tell him to fight for his food. The probability of him surviving and killing the blatantly stronger grizzly bear without influences such as weapons is very unlikely.
But we DO have these weapons, and with them we kill. Get over it, we're the borg, resistance is futile! Let's conqueror the universe and enslave everything lesser than us. Until we meet something bigger that fucks us up. That's how nature works.
ArtypNk, you are the typical example of low human trash that doesn't deserve life. Your brain is infested with maggots.. "food chain", that's what you lowest forms of life keep chanting. All other more intelligent species than humans can create complex ecologies which are more than "food". Only murdering destructive humans like you with brains smaller than plankton would babble "FOOD" chain every time you manage to find out what you're looking at.
The turtle has the shell because otherwise it would be extinct from all the predators, humans don't need to wear shells. daily and when we do(armor, chemical suits helmets) we can put them on and take them off.
Animals are not genocidal and suicidal and can outsmart humans. Humans can't navigate thousands of miles with pinpoint accuracy based on sensing magnetic fields but whales, birds and dolphins can. Get over it, humans are by far the stupidest species on the planet, and you are at the bottom of that primitive human ladder.
We dont need to sense magnetic bullets we have electronics and machines created from the human mind that help us do this with pin point accuracy.
No animal is genocidal because they are not smart enough to organize anything, one , say ape, can go around killing members of its shrewd, but there it will most likely be killed or run off. The ape will not gather a following of other killing apes cause their mind cannot comprehend this.
What other hippie bullshit do you have to say PETA faggot.
Animals are not genocidal because they have a heart and they are sophisticated, unlike pathetic humans. Only humans are genocidal. In Rwanda they didn't have bullets either so they used machetes or whatever was available to chop each other to pieces including babies and women and that took a million lives. Humans shouldn't be allowed to reproduce they will just destroy everything. The Earth was fine when humanity was only about a hundred million or less, now it's doomed.
Retard..genocide means massacring your own species. For "no reason"? Lions eat water buffalo. Water buffalo are not predators and don't "hunt" they form a circle to defend and then are smart enough to attack lions that EAT them. Of course douchebags like you would allow yourself to be eaten by the lions..not. Btw, genocide would be acceptable if it all oxygen wasting destructive sadists destroyed each other. And 6 billion humans is way too much, humans should be forcibly sterilized :]
Are you just stupid, or what? Show me a video showing lions killing a whole herd of water buffalos for no reason! What a bullshit comment! If these species were "Genocidal," water buffalo would've disappeared thousands of years ago! Are you that fucking thick in the head? Obviously you're another "I'm the only one that matters" asshole who makes a post without actually thinking about what he's saying first. Your comment is baseless, stupid, and means absolutely nothing.
Ummmm.... There IS no baby seal hunt... Hasn't been for like.. 23 years...
Ankhesenamunou 6 months ago
@Ankhesenamunou
Uhhhh well you're dumb. They used to club seals no matter if they were baby or adult. They clubbed em' all!
MrSMGeezus 6 months ago
@MrSMGeezus Hint hint, they USED TO. Not right to kill baby animals. They dont even club them anymore either
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Tha annual seal hunt is sick and pointless. Hunters hit them in the head with clubs and shoot them in the face just for a prize. Thats just uncivilized and disgusting. And on top of that it wastes millions of tax dollars. Seals are just killed for a profit. They are gonna become endangered too because of effin humans (but not the ones who actually LIVE off the meat.) And if the younger ones wont survive without the older ones so wtf is this "law" gonna do?
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Lets hope their wives and mothers and childeren are gang raped.If anyone knows anybody that calls this a career choice, please pass my comments on to them.These men are not human and it would be no great loss to human kind if they just fell off the earth and took their families with them.
sealmurderingcunts 8 months ago
I don't know why, but the frenchies and all (My birth language may be french, but am Quebecor) bullshit seal hunting, but they don't bullshit theire foie gras. ...it's even worst...
Poodleinacan 1 year ago
They still doing it, noone can stop them...fu
XtremeGaming6 1 year ago
Seriously, without the adults the babies won't survive either. They should just ban everything completely.
ruka510 1 year ago
@ruka510
The mothers only nurse the white coated young for 12 days before weening then they leave them on their own on the ice. So the babies really, really will survive just fine without the adults. Harp seals aren't "long-term" parents.
MsColdCanada 1 year ago
@MsColdCanada
Oh I see. Thank you very much for sharing that piece of info =)
ruka510 1 year ago
Them: BAN
Me:Yay!
Can:Damn
Me:Ha!
SiiiKxShotz 1 year ago
The population isn't declining , its actually going up.
feanor 1 year ago
yay seal clubbing is over!
go baby seals!
mudkip96 1 year ago
Jesus Christ, how many years will it be before these "Politicians" will finally make the killing of ANY of these seals illegal? So a bunch of young, baby seal pups will be wobbling around on the ice with no mother? BAN THE SEAL HUNT ENTIRELY YOU IDIOTS.
birthnight 1 year ago
finally some countries' governments are making some sense
imntafckingsaint 1 year ago
thats a start but how is a baby seal gonna survive without a mother?? besides it doesnt make the beating any better. its still sadist and makes me cry. i dont get the point of the seal hunt anyways..
cheer0mai7jah 1 year ago
@cheer0mai7jah It's because, unlike what the reporter said, the population is exploding because there naturel predatores are indangered, and so they eat more and more fish, and the fish they eat are now indangreed, so we need to hunt some of them to keep them alive (Irronicly). But this guy (The reporter) siad it was just made illigal to hunt young seals, but that can't be news, because it was never made ligal to hunt baby seals in the first place.
dave19941000 1 year ago
Even if there natural predators are endangered, the fish numbers will drop to a point where the seal population will be forced to decline, eventually it will all equal out. Same thing happened off South Australia. The only way it wont equal out is if humans are catching loads of fish
992Cloud 1 year ago
@992Cloud
can this same theory be used for all of these stupid comments? i hope so!
irnfldr 1 year ago
It's great that the baby seal hunt is banned, but killing adult seals isn't that much better, because the babies depend on mothers for milk and survival.
fieldhockeyislove93 1 year ago
I love animals and i'm glad, that government of my country banned this dirty business.
FalconfromRF 1 year ago
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JACOB3601 1 year ago
Its still legal to hunt unborn babies though ,doctors club 5000 of them to death each day .animal lovers are hypocrites
10newington 2 years ago
The acts committed by sealers have been categorized as a Federal Crime in the United States. The American people & nation are against it, so a crank such as squirrelslayer below cheering killers from a Foreign power against the US is a traitor against his own nation
Also, the MAJORITY of good CANADIANS are against the seal hunt
Sealers hurt Canadians, they cause a Financial loss to millions of Canadians & bring stink upon Canada's Flag. All good Canadian patriots are against extremist Sealers
AdmiralGarth3903 2 years ago 4
What defines a good Canadian?
I support the seal hunt due to its obvious benifits it brings to the sealers such as food, income, ect.
~Thanato
Thanato26 2 years ago
@Thanato26 the sealers are fishermen there is a movement to re emberse them with lost funds they would be paid to stop sealing. if they wanted food they would kill the adult seals not the pups, pups are killed for there fur for the fashion industry.
judoisoww 2 years ago
@AdmiralGarth3903 i just wish the americans could get behinf the australians who aren't rascist and help us stop whaling if you see footage of it it is just as brutal. same with dolphins 23000 dolphins are killed each year. please see through the lies and ignore the narcissist racist idiots who don't know what it is to be an aussie and help those of us who want an end to this brutality.
judoisoww 2 years ago
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What? Why do they always have to ruin baby seal hunting? How I am going to get a new baby seal fur pillow cover?
squirrelslayer4 2 years ago
Really? Really? How about i take a club and bash your head in or a spear and stick in your throat and drag you away? How'd you like tha you damn prick!!
peacewarriorangel 2 years ago
@peacewarriorangel sounds good to me
judoisoww 2 years ago
Shut up you're weird and cruel or just to ignorant to understand what I'm saying
peacewarriorangel 2 years ago
you don't even know me dumb ass i hate sealers but if they where to be brutally bashed we would be seen as just as bad sea sheperd have done great against sealing by banning seal fur in the uk cutting out a huge part of there market greatly reducing demand
judoisoww 2 years ago
@squirrelslayer4 lol i hope no one thinks you are serious and i hope your not
judoisoww 2 years ago
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Save a seal - club a liberal.
TalibanJackLayton 2 years ago
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Okay, the only thing I can now see is idiots arguing. Other side says it's business, other one only cares that the animals that are killed are fluffy and cute. I don't care about the seals anymore. I find humans idiots and trolls and propably I am going through an angst.
Nymfipapukaija 2 years ago
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So please, I want answers to these three questions:
1. Why do people "seal"?
2. What's wrong with it?
3. What's the thing in it to argue about?
And pleaso, no damn things like "humane" or "superior to others" I've had enough of them.
Nymfipapukaija 2 years ago
Seal meat is contaminated. Seal meat contains high levels of Methyl Mercury, 1000 times higher than other items. If eaten, it causes mental problems, it seeps into the human brain, reduces intelligence, and if a person eats it, their children may be born with birth defects.
Sealers attempt to entice people to eat it. Including hurting fellow Canadian citizens. And sealers attempted to feed it to children. Sealers hurt Humans.
CaskuVike76 2 years ago 4
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cherry picking your words may sound like you know what your talking about to the ignorant! but that is what they say "blind leading the blind"
223gunner 2 years ago
yet you yourself give no evidence?
judoisoww 2 years ago
the same is with dolphin meat in japan and whales cought outside of antarctica but dna test prove that dolphin meat is mixed with whale meat and sold together killing marine mamals is harming humans to
judoisoww 2 years ago
NEWS: SEALERS CHARGED IN CANADIAN COURT
St. Johns NL
Multiple sealers face charges in Provincial Court stemming from actions took place during the Canadian Seal Hunt, said Jerry Walsh of the Federal Fisheries Dept
The seal hunters violated the federal marine mammal regulations that deal with illegal weapons, improperly skinning seals and a total of 17 counts of criminal violations.
The Sealers were caught after tips from Canadian citizens lead to observation by officers who apprehended them.
WildernessRanger291 2 years ago 4
To stop the seal hun plz call
senator Ann Cooles@ 613-992-2808 &
senator Elaine McCoy@ 613-995-4293
and ask them to second "senator Harb" seal bill to end the hunt.
roshanfekr 2 years ago
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iRockallnite4326 2 years ago
hahahahha yaaayy!! :D
SAVE THE SEALS!!! <3333
theforsakensoul22 2 years ago 4
My God Admiral! Just read the info you sent me. From the mouths of the sealers themselves! Interesting, and excellent evidence of the sort of animal cruelty that goes around. I now agree with you regarding canucktunes. Completely factless, baseless and totally debunked. Thank you. I am glad to see that this sort of propaganda does not go unchecked and unchallenged here in Canada. Keep up the good work.
Dravenesque 2 years ago 2
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Oh, let me guess. The testimony from the blueback seal hunters taken by the DFO officers.
It is illegal to hunt blueback so these people were not part of the commercial hunt.
canucktunes 2 years ago
The user Canucktunes is a known fraudulent user who posts debunked Pro animal killing propaganda and has been exposed as a known discredited user all over youtube. The specific items he brings up have been debunked and the study points on his side shown to be garbage pseudoscience concocted by observers that were complicit in distorting results, evidence tampering, and participation in criminal acts. canucktunes is a mouthpiece for anti-canadians who wish to harm their. own country of Canada.
AdmiralGarth3903 2 years ago
Thank you AdmiralGarth. I did wonder why this canucktunes fellow would hang on to one specific argument regarding nerve twitching of dead creatures when his main opponent in the argument was detailing something completely unrelated to that specific occurrence. I myself am not one for arguing but a line has to be drawn somewhere. If it does not make sense, it is not true. Thank you for the warning.
Dravenesque 2 years ago 2
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None of what I posted was debunked by anyone. Period.
The user from which that "debunk" claim comes from spammed the Vancouver 2010 videos with off topic posts, trolled numerous videos with personal insults, baiting and actually accused me of working for the Canadian government.
You cheap tricks wont keep people from reading the EFSA report found by googling EFSA-Q-2007-118
canucktunes 2 years ago
Make sure to see how the EFSA report repeatedly cites other studies as comparisons on how neonatal animals can be dispatched the quickest. Your claim is most quickly debunked in my first video "False Comment #1: We don't kill baby seals anymore." Which you maintain to this day that you don't......Watch.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
Meanwhile, you can go and argue your "swimming movements" against video of a seal that is still alive while being skinned from the face right down the belly to the tail. Go fight the good fight, soldier. Hope it makes your day a better one. If it does..well, that's a crying shame.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
You're assuming it's alive because you refuse to look into the swimming reflex.
Even some cows have postmortem twitching after they suffer head trauma at the slaughterhouse. And humans are known to have similar reactions when they're beheaded and have severe head trauma.
Didn't you pay attention in biology class ?
canucktunes 2 years ago
If it breathes and screams, it's alive. I paid attention in biology class juuuuuust fine. I can see you failed it miserably. Don't talk stupid with me, son. Honestly. Picking at straws is pathetic. Use some common sense.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
You're exaggerating something you've allegedly seen into the norm and i'm picking at straws ?
All you have are condescending statements and personal insults. You know nothing of the subject. You saw one video and have decided to make this your cause.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Nope, sorry. Nice try. You can try to lead the conversation all you want. You've been doing a terrible job since we started. Your arguments are too transparent to hold water.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
I don't have to make an argument for it - Science does it all by itself. The very science that you try to refute with emotional conjecture.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Your science is bullshit, just like your comments. You can call that an "emotional response" all you want. I call out bullshitters. I'm an expert at it. You show me where science says that a screaming animal who's being skinned alive or dragged across the ice with a fork in it's head is just going through a "swimming reflex." Don't worry, canuck. For every 1 of you, there are 20 of me. And just in case you're confused....we're the smart ones! G'bye!
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
It isn't my science. It's science. The very science that forced IFAW to recognize it. Your posturing, exaggerations and diversionary tactics will not change it.
canucktunes 2 years ago
canucktunes you aren't listening to what he is saying. SG isn't denying anything about nerve twitching or anything like that. If I shoot you in the head, I know you're going to flop around like a tuna for a little while. What part aren't you understanding about all this? It's about the ethical killing of these animals. It's been proven time and time again that they're killed inhumanely and with absolutely no regard for their suffering. It's a barbaric act no matter how you slice it.
Dravenesque 2 years ago
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Dravenesque, your account was created yesterday and you've already seconded SG on two videos, that I know of. I suspect that you are a sock puppet.
I've read the reports in which people think irrefutable evidence is confirmed and came to the same conclusions the EFSA did.
canucktunes 2 years ago
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BTW, if you guys don't want to read the report, there is a summary.
Basically the EFSA concluded that there is a consensus in the veterinary field that the vast majority of seals are hunted humanely.
Even IFAW claimed that 58% of the 76 seals they surveyed for skull fractures were likely sufficiently unconscious.
The activist funded reports have never truly established a significant rate of violations. They merely implied systemic violations and let their supporters imagine the rest.
canucktunes 2 years ago
"Systemic" violations are what create an unintentionally inhumane hunt. Latent errors are what cause animal suffering. Just because they are latent doesn't mean they can be excused.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
Or it may have something to do with the fact that I joined YouTube to post a comment about a car that SG was talking about, and the two of us began communicating. People do communicate, last I checked. Paranoia runs rampant in your life, I see.
Dravenesque 2 years ago
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It's not paranoia, newbie. Haters/Trolls do that all of the time. It's a common tactic - I've been here since 2006 so it doesn't surprise me.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Judging by what AdmiralGarth3903 just said about you, I think the only hater/troll/newbie using so-called tactics is you, my friend. Every argument you've used has pretty much been silly from what I've been reading. I'll take Garth's advice and SG's arguments over yours, thank you very much. I must apologize, but you've been mercilessly discredited, but for good reason.
Dravenesque 2 years ago 2
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LOL ! I'll post my response to him.
canucktunes 2 years ago
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BTW, I joined Youtube on March 5th, 2006. That channel info can't be faked.
I uploaded over 50 videos since then, none of which are about sealing, hunting, trolling, calling people lairs, etc. Most of them are actually of cute animals, so I'm clearly not for animal cruelty.
I've watched over 16 thousand videos, a few hundred of which were about sealing, so sealing isn't why I'm here.
That said, you prove my point in regards to activists not doing their homework and being easily convinced.
canucktunes 2 years ago
And it's the funniest thing how the only reason you come on here is to spread your rhetorical spin on the seal slaughter, yet you have never uploaded a single video about the one thing you are most passionate about; killing baby animals. How disingenuous.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
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In the end canucktunes can't resist biting the hand that feeds the seal hunters. Were it not for 2 elements 1.) The depressed post WWII European economy and 2.) animal activists, there would be no harp seals left to argue over. Please continue attacking those people who ultimately saved your precious industry in the 1960's and 70's. Thought you would have learned your lesson.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
I see you came in her to get your own hit of "Trolling" heroin yourself canucktunes. The King of the trollers himself. Sounds like an addiction to me. Remember CT, the first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
If a seal gets hooked in the face by a drive-by boat, are you honestly going to tell me that it died instantly? Continue making a fool out of yourself. You could host a seminar on the topic and make millions. Really! It might just be your niche!
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
There are other procedures to ensure the seal is dead in Canada, Norway and Greenland. You would know this, if you had read the EFSA report.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Yes, of course! Shoot it in the head, like a responsible hunter. Quick, easy, painless. But do you honestly expect me to believe that most countries are going to fork out that much money for ammunition, when they can cut costs by handing their hired killers some spiked clubs, machetes, hatchets and spears? The people out on the ice doing the kill don't give a rats ass whether the animal is dead or not. That's the point you keep missing. That's the least of their priorities!
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about if you think all seal hunt are organized by government bodies and that the majority of seals are clubbed.
In Canada the vast majority of seals are shot in the commercial hunt and these people buy their own rifles. The majority of seals are also shot in Greenland and Norway. This is confirmed in the EFSA report.
The second tool used in Canada and Norway is the Hakapik, which is also effective according to the EFSA.
canucktunes 2 years ago
And the evidence has been there from the start that sealers don't use humane methods to kill these animals. They're shot and left to die slowly, skinned alive, hooked in the face and dragged along the ice, you name it. That's fact. No "selective editing" (rolls eyes) was used to butter up people. Let me guess...we didn't land on the moon either, did we? Or 9/11 was an inside job? When you argue in favor of mass slaughter, it speaks about your character, just like I've always said.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Anti-sealing activists throw idiotic conspiracy theories around all of the time.
For example, they keep on insisting that the CVMA is government funded and their report wasn't peer reviewed.
I've actually had an activist insist that the EFSA, an independent agency funded by the EU, was paid off by the Canadian government.
canucktunes 2 years ago
The simple fact is this: you are the type of person who would have no problem booting a cat across the room, or chaining up a dog in the backyard on a short leash with no water to drink for days on end. That's who you are. I know your type. You represent a percentage of the population that is prone to sociopathic behavior without any remorse, guilt or apprehension. People like you end up taking it out on your wives and children as well. When you play a numbers game, it becomes a concern.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Best not to keep talking, canucker. Every post you make, the word "asshole" gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger. But, knowing people like you, with your sort of pretentious and boastful mentality, you'll just take it as a compliment. Which isn't surprising. But whatever way you cut it, you've proven your character as a lesser human being. Don't argue. It's how I said it is. You don't have the right to even talk about it. I'm DONE with you, child.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
False indignation and retreat. Atypical of someone that doesn't have much to add to a discussion on the subject, other than personal insults and baiting.
LOL
canucktunes 2 years ago
So everyone, focus your attention on "canucktunes," a guy who will look at a completely unedited, continuous helicopter shot that lasts almost 5 minutes of an animal suffering, and he'll call it "highly edited propoganda." This is the hallmark of a person who doesn't give two shits about anything other than himself, and what other species can do FOR HIM. Congratulate him, because he's working really hard to promote his species as the only one that really matters in the grand scheme of things.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Oh, BTW - I have no vested interest in the seal hunt and if you could be trusted to do research you would have determined that I couldn't be a sealer from my profile information. I'm not even related to anyone in that industry.
In regards to a five minute video of a seal in agony, the HSUS allowed a seal to suffer for over 40 minutes. This can be seen on a video entitled "Truth behind HSUS award-winning anti-sealing video".
canucktunes 2 years ago
Congratulations...you've succeeded in confusing the living piss out of me. So what's your point? Are you for it? or against it? Or what? You straddle that fence really well. Hope it isn't chafing anything.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
And the opportunist is back. So much for "I'm DONE with you", huh ?
You're confused because you've oversimplified the issue and have only consulted anti-sealing web sites.
Yours is a B&W position and you are unable to fathom the possibility of people liking animals and supporting their consumption.
You are stuck in an anthropomorphic feedback loop and think people can't be convinced to feel guilty like you, under the guise of "compassion". That's why you're so frustrated and angry.
canucktunes 2 years ago
canuck, it's always been the way I said it was. You can't compete. Stay away from dictionary(dot)com in an attempt to gain some sort of a verbal arsenal. Your arguments are the biggest selection of nonsense I've ever heard in my life. When you use terms like "swimming reflex," I can't help but kill myself laughing at (A) your stupidity, or (B) your overinflated pretentious ego. Take your pick. It's one of those. There are no (C), (D) or (E) to choose from. Don't argue. You simply can't.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
"Swimming movements can be voluntary or
involuntary. It is difficult to differentiate between involuntary reflex movement and
conscious voluntary movement without assessing higher centre activity" - IFAW, March 2001
it was not possible to differentiate unequivocally between conscious responses and unconscious reflex activity - Butterworth et al. 2007
The above quotes are from anti-sealing groups. The swimming reflex has been observed by all parties involved.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Wow. Just....wow. You go out of your way to make excuses for this sort of thing. "Wow" is the word of the day. I can see you're never going to get it. Instead of continuing to argue with a cinder block, I'll just it a little quote....."Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of character and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man." - Arthur Schopenhauer, German Philosopher.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Oh, so IFAW is making excusing for sealers now ? Do you actually know who IFAW is ?
canucktunes 2 years ago
At first I wasn't going to even dignify that question with a response, but what the hell? We aren't talking about the way these animals swim. We're talking about them laying on a biggggggg slab of ice, only to have some trolling boat drive by and hook one right in the face, then drag it along the ice. Or the idiot who shoots one from a Helicopter, then watches it bleed to death for 5 minutes. The seal isn't trying to swim, clown! It's writhing in agony. Would you like it done to you?
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
That response is proof that you have not looked into the swimming reflex. And you clearly don't know what the normal procedures are in regards to the commercial hunt in Canada if you think sealers in Canada regularly use helicopters to hunt - They use ships, Shirlock.
canucktunes 2 years ago
I never said anything about Canada! Where did I mention Canada? I can generalize the seal hunts no matter what method of transportation is used. Helicopters ARE used in seal hunts. It doesn't necessarily mean they're used in Canada. And "swimming reflex," "swimming reflex." You use that term as a smokescreen for your simple, clear lack of compassion for anything, or anyone except yourself. You're bringing a toothbrush to a machine gun fight with that argument.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Helicopters are not the norm, nor can you claim the footage you've seen is the norm either.
And you're back into your feedback loop and guilt peddling.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Tell you what. I'll give you my address, you come down here, and I'll hook you in the face with a giant hook, then drag you down the street in my car, Okay? Then you can tell me if you're feeling the urge to swim or not. Sound good? Your choice! I leave it to you.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
You do like your violent fantasies.
Post-mortem spasms/movement have been observed in dead humans.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Sorry, no dice. My wife is a highly respected, professional veterinarian. I'll take her years of expertise and knowledge of animal biology over your convenient, yet baseless Quote Farming any day of the week.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Your profile says you're Canadian so your wife would adhere to the findings of the association she would be a member of, The Canadian Veterinary Medical Association (the CVMA), in regards to the "swimming reflex", mentioned in their September 2002 report.
No veterinarian would ever dismiss postmortem spasms and twitching. It is common in their field.
canucktunes 2 years ago
BTW, here's what the CVMA said in their report : 'One issue of contention has been the swimming reflex. When killed by acute trauma to the brain, harp seals, like
other animals, often undergo a period of tremors or convulsions. These consist of strong lateral movements of the caudal portion of the body, described as swimming
reflex (hereafter referred to as reflex movements), which have been interpreted by some animal welfare advocates as implying persistence of conscious life.'
canucktunes 2 years ago
True the harp seal has a strong postmortem swim reflex, but this can't be relied upon as a crutch to repeatedly cling to. I have footage of live seals being dragged to boats after being clubbed and hooked in the mouth. Check out "Inuit Hunters Code" there's one in that one. The truth is the EFSA report said they recommended the hunt not be limited to only a few days so the sloppy haste latent in to hunt end. I'm try to remember the last time I saw a slaughterhouse employee running at work.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
And why was the seal suffering to begin with? You think it's HSUS's job to follow the sloppy Canadian commercial seal butchers around and deliver coup de gras all day long?
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
Canucktunes, I am happy to see you are on the side of good!
Keep trying to educate the blind sheep!
doggy0803 2 years ago
This issue is the lazy activist's favorite. They think visiting anti-sealing web sites is "research" and rarely read the studies from which their claims allegedly come from. And they simply dismiss everything that doesn't support their dubious conjecture as biased and not peer reviewed.
It's much more convenient for them to paint people as cruel or whatever than to actually discuss the issue, which would require them to do real research.
canucktunes 2 years ago
People love to sound intelligent and "above" everyone else when they're Pro-Seal Hunt. Truth is, it just makes them look sociopathic, irresponsible and without any hint of morality, ethics or compassion. To even suggest that humans need to intervene to prevent the swelling of the seal population (convenient excuse for mass commercial slaughter) is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, in a long history of dumb comments. If it looks wrong, it is. And this looks wrong, because it IS wrong.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
I wasn't trying to sound intelligent but you sure sound sanctimonious with that guilt peddling psychobabble of yours.
Yes, it's always the same routine isn't it. You don't want people to discuss facts - You want them to get as overemotional and judgmental as you are and to ignore every scientific study that finds the methods as humane as the slaughterhouses.
The emotional bias in the activists was also recognized by the EFSA report.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Big big, BIG difference between you and me: no matter how you slice it, or try to make it sound like it's perfectly normal, you still sound like an asshole and a prick. Me? I'm the one who sees something blatantly wrong with what's going on. I'm the one with the compassion. You aren't. And don't talk to me about "highly edited" videos, fuckwit. You can't "highly edit" a video of a seal that just got shot, then flops around suffering for 5 minutes while it's bleeding to death. Fucking moron.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
I see you're trying to insult your way out of this. Nice try but the "swimming reflex" in harp seals is documented. Anyone can google it.
canucktunes 2 years ago
That very report failed to take into consideration that the slaughter industry DOES NOT have a 5% struck and lost rate. That 5% alone exceeds the cattle industry's need for a secondary stun. THEN, you can add the need for secondary stuns on to that in the seal slaughter. Add to it that 42% of the time hunters were unwilling to palpitate the skulls to guarantee unconsciousness before skinning. Illegal. Where does it end CT? What's more the slaughter ind. doesn't kill baby animals for fur.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
42% sounds like a lot of seals ! but you forgot to mention that it was 42% of 75 carcasses examined, & just because the cranium was not crushed it does not mean that the animal was conscious, there are other places on the body that deliver a fatal blow also!
223gunner 2 years ago
sorry i forgot to mention that those very few hunters that do not take the time to palpate the cranium before skinning SHOULD lose their seal hunting licenses for good ! "one bad apple can spoil the bunch"would be fitting here!
223gunner 2 years ago
Deep down I doubt the seal industry really cares about that sort of thing. All they see are dollar signs and figures. I guarantee that no one on the board of directors is saying "I propose that we send an investigative team out there to find out if the seals are being killed properly!" Hunting is one thing, but this is mass slaughter. To go out on the ice and commit these acts is enough evidence that these people probably don't care whether they delivered a quick and painless death or not.
Dravenesque 2 years ago 5
One of the biggest problems with the Canadian Harp seal slaughter is that it is a timed even. Fishermen/sealers have to rush everything in order to maximize profits. If they are seen doing anything but hurrying in front of the fellow ship mates it's frowned upon. The EU recommended that in order to maximize humanity that the hunt not take place over such a short time (3-5 days) But, do you think they listened to a gov't body that holds sway over the existence of the hunt? Naaaaaah!!
XB70Playboy 2 years ago 5
The user 223gunner has just posted items which are in violation of Federal Law. This user would be apprehended & convicted if caught while engaged in the hunt. 223gunner just posted "there are other places on the body that deliver a fatal blow"--This is a violation of the Federal MMR Section IV which FORBIDS that. Advocating hits to other parts means they do not know the regs & are debunked from any further credibility on the seal hunt. If they did what they stated on the floe theyd be convicted
AdmiralGarth3903 2 years ago 4
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mind your own business when you do not know the whole conversation Yank ! you know it all by the sounds of it , lmao! when you have factors impeding a head shot such as the sea state causing the ice to move,the boat heaving around, the seal could be moving about . so previous years did not have the 3 step process . so if the seal was dead whether it was a body shot or not there was no need the crush the cranium !
223gunner 2 years ago
Current posting and urging of acts by user 223gunner which violate MMR equals sufficient probably cause to submit a report on the individual for review of aerial CCG hunt observation tapes & ground-based surveillance documentation by Fisheries officers for acts committed in violation. As well as an entry into the authorities database for monitoring & special scrutiny of the actions of this individual with regard to present & subsequent Seal Fisheries activities. Report Filed. 124-7c
AdmiralGarth3903 2 years ago 5
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how dare you insinuate an activity as seal hunting which demises the local fishery to an extent to uproar activist and civil violation of human right and judge as an army official i strongly advise you stick you and your colony of opinions in a place left for idiots like you to imagine
223gunner 2 years ago
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WTF? You CAN say nearly anything without breaking the law!
Nymfipapukaija 2 years ago
This user is doing more than talking. This user is a perpetrator. He's not just talking, he is one of the actual killers that is operating weapons. Not only that, this user has admitted to violations of federal law. Publishing the fact that one has actually engaged in crime is sufficient for probable cause. Thus by him bragging on youtube & posting on the net, he opened himself up. There are surveillance tapes taken by officers. Thus he is the one that opened himself up to investigation.
AdmiralGarth3903 2 years ago 7
To start with I am not an american.....YOU IDIOT!!!
Secondly, acting tuff on a chat site is for schoolgirls you half whit queer!
If you had beyond a grade 7 education you may have been able to get yourself a real job, that is if you lived in a real country!
doggy0803 2 years ago
GeHOF I agree
Avoice4theUnheard 2 years ago
Because you are in the russian military you think that will change my opinion, bite my @ss!!!
You can have your opinion same as us lowly civilians, and it is your "right" to be wrong if you wish.
Seal is a natural resource, same as trees.
How do you suppose a t-bone made it to the supermarket?
doggy0803 2 years ago
Again, you idiot American. What do you say to people like me?
GrandAdmiralGilad 2 years ago
I doubt that ny opinion matters to anyone else but myself but personally this us great news and I wish that Canada would have the guts to follow this example.
GeHOF 2 years ago 2
There is nothing wrong with the seal hunt, or any type of hunting for that matter.
I can't stand tree huggin, city livin', cnn watchin morons and your uneducated comments!!!
Go to starbucks and talk about Oprah!!!
doggy0803 2 years ago
doggy0803 what do you sat to people who are in the Russian military, like me, who think seal hunting is wrong?
GrandAdmiralGilad 2 years ago
I get the feeling that soon one day we all will be hunted, and maybe there will be those "beings" that might start a program to stop 'Human slaughter". I think most will change their tune.
Fulltondano 2 years ago
Well, these animals are in no way as emotionally attached to their offspring as we are so yours in an inapt fantasy, just like that fictional "slaughtered in front of parent(s)" scenario.
Male harp seals do not take care of their offspring ; They're too busy mating with as many females as possible. And females leave their pups within two weeks of birth to and never return (they would starve to death if they didn't).
canucktunes 2 years ago
This is about respecting nature, not sucking the life out of it for corporate greed. That's all the seal hunt is: a corporate moneymaking machine. We don't NEED to do it, but we do anyways. Sorry, but if seals were butt-ugly, I still wouldn't condone this sort of thing. You are either emotionally detached or sociopathic to be a seal hunter (don't fuckin' argue, it's fact). People here say that seal hunting "keeps the population in check." What planet are you from, may I ask, to be that stupid?
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
Paul Watson claimed sealers were "cigarette smoking apes". Many apes are actually threatened while the harp seal is not.
The 2008 IUCN Red List site confirms that harp seals are not threatened and their numbers are increasing, even with the hunt.
Multiple independent parties have stated that the methods used in Canada, Greenland and Norway are humane, which was confirmed by the European Food Safety Authority on their December 2007 EU commissioned report (EFSA-Q-2007-118).
canucktunes 2 years ago
I LOVE calling bullshit. Please, you've got the entire YouTube video library at your disposal. Why not type in "Seal Hunt," watch a few videos and tell me if they're being humane. I don't care what "multiple independent parties" might claim. That's heresay and bullshit if I ever heard it. No seal hunter is going out there, worried about being "humane" when they have a quota to meet, and a time limit to work with. Don't be so stupid, and don't make excuses for this sort of thing. Pathetic!
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
I see you were impressed by the highly edited videos, with their slick dramatic music and soap opera voice-overs.
IFAW hired people to watch three years of their raw footage for their March 2001 report and these experts did not see what you apparently imagine in these videos. Why ? Because they obviously know more about postmortem reflexes/twitching that you do.
Harp seals have a pronounced postmortem reaction. It's common is chickens as well.
canucktunes 2 years ago
The hunting and trade of whitecoats was banned in Canada 22 years back so Russia will get to enjoy decades of activist propaganda just like Canada did now.
After all, it's quite easy for them to claim the rules aren't being followed. They don't need to prove anything because these animals are cute.
And if Russia tries to up their production of Sable furs to make up for the losses, the anti-fur people will spread propaganda about that as well.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Come on canada - try to catch up with Russia, will ya?
askalice50 2 years ago
I bet if seals had opposable thumbs they would club their own young.
mbm13213 2 years ago
Finally. Sanity.
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
And why are they putting an African in front of the cam? Are there so many blacks living in Russia that they must be represented on a Russian news channel?
Th4tsNotM1lk 2 years ago
total ban yeah ,,, : ) brave hunter lol
OrphanPaper 2 years ago
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IS RT today owned by Jews?
This would explain why the nigger is on TV.
givemethebest 2 years ago
дада, какие мы молодцы)
MariOnFire 2 years ago
great news !
MickB0529 2 years ago
I really don't give a damn if people kill animals for fur, but these creatures are just too cute to kill for anything.
AlexanderSigal 2 years ago
bravo, Russia!
mikkitiny 2 years ago
Its the Eco crazys
DarkSerpent96 2 years ago
Wtf do seals ever do for us?? Oh my, save the pandas, and the seals, spend 4 millions to protect them... Fuck that shit. Buy some better roads.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
What have you ever done for seals so they owe you any thing?
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
I never clubbed them, and never bought their fur. They owe me because they are the lower form of life. That's just the order of this place. Live if you want, but don't be taking those millions for protection and repopulation.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
Who defines superiority? There is no ultimate superiority in nature. One animal is superior to another, but also inferior to another. Evolution is trade-off after trade-off. The eagle does not see in color like we do. Are we superior? No, because the eagle can see a mouse from a mile away. Go live in a Seal's arctic environment without clothing and tech. Try to live there, testing your ability to survive in the freezing temperatures. You *will* die. The seal is superior to you in that aspect.
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
We have evolved consciousness by mostly chance. We were not picked by some superior force to have consciousness. We were just lucky enough to get it before some other animal. That does not make us superior. Look at all the terrible things we've done with this 'consciousness'. Holding humans superior to other or all animals is the window to your shoddy intelligence. Your belief of humans as the dominant power is dogmatic, which is hilarious because I'm presuming you an Atheist.
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
as long as I can outsmart an animal in every way, I'm superior. I know what are you trying to say, but that does not make a lot of sense. We are superior because we can decide what fate entire species will share. Now should we kill every thing just because we can? No, but we shouldn't protect them, especially if it costs money, especially if we are in economic shit.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
There are many animals that can outsmart you. Therefore, there are many animals superior to you, by your logic. By the way, we don't decide the fate of species. Almost always, they die out or survive on their own without our help. Most of the money spent on the protection of animals isn't just pulled from no where. It is usually saved on the side and doesn't take away from any crisis protection money. Hey, you should stop paying money for your internet and save it for the economy.
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
Wheel, mathematics, and understanding of the universe and matter. Superior. You ask a turtle to make fire. See what he does with his superior armor.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
That's an aspect that we excel in. Absolute superiority is impossible. That is what I have been saying. What will a turtle do with its superior armor? Survive harsh impact, something we can't do so well. The turtle is superior to us in that aspect. So, I guess it should kill us because it might deem us inferior because it has one advantage over us (your logic). You're an illogical train wreck. All you do is zig-zag over excuses trying to justify your backwards thinking. Good luck in life. :3
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
Thanks. Same to you. Sometimes, It's healthy to watch at world trough different lenses. Just because You don't like every animal does not mean you are a bad or closed minded person. What some animals do have, is physical advantages. Human is still on the top of the food chain.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
We're not legitimately on top of the food chain. Without our third-party items (guns, missiles, bombs, traps, etc) we would easily slip down the food chain. Throw a hungry unarmed human into a cage with a grizzly bear and tell him to fight for his food. The probability of him surviving and killing the blatantly stronger grizzly bear without influences such as weapons is very unlikely.
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
But we DO have these weapons, and with them we kill. Get over it, we're the borg, resistance is futile! Let's conqueror the universe and enslave everything lesser than us. Until we meet something bigger that fucks us up. That's how nature works.
AKammunation 2 years ago
That's not how nature works. Pick up a book.
AnonymousCthulhu 2 years ago
I hope you PETA fags get stung by a hedgehog.
AKammunation 2 years ago
yes and before all these humanistic trifles, we used to enslave each other.
Shall i enslave you?
doganaktas 2 years ago
Sounds good, does that involve handcuffs?
AKammunation 2 years ago
We may not be the fastest or strongest but we are the most intelligent. This is what makes us the top of the food chain.
The "third party items" are products of the human intelligence.
A bear in a cage with a human is unlikely but in that outrageous scenario the bear would likely win.
The average unarmed human won't get in the position to encounter a bear because they know better.
dopefish55 2 years ago
ArtypNk, you are the typical example of low human trash that doesn't deserve life. Your brain is infested with maggots.. "food chain", that's what you lowest forms of life keep chanting. All other more intelligent species than humans can create complex ecologies which are more than "food". Only murdering destructive humans like you with brains smaller than plankton would babble "FOOD" chain every time you manage to find out what you're looking at.
ZeroHumans 2 years ago
Wow, you sound like a sheep fucking hippie. I hope you drown in bio fuel, of choke on tofu.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
The turtle has the shell because otherwise it would be extinct from all the predators, humans don't need to wear shells. daily and when we do(armor, chemical suits helmets) we can put them on and take them off.
The turtle in no way is superior to humans.
dopefish55 2 years ago
armor or protective gear is a shell for humans. guess your wrong again.
dopefish55 2 years ago
Name one animal that can outsmart a human on an equal enviroment (no sharks vs people).
If they are so smart why are they no watching blue rays and sending shuttles into space.
dopefish55 2 years ago
Animals are not genocidal and suicidal and can outsmart humans. Humans can't navigate thousands of miles with pinpoint accuracy based on sensing magnetic fields but whales, birds and dolphins can. Get over it, humans are by far the stupidest species on the planet, and you are at the bottom of that primitive human ladder.
ZeroHumans 2 years ago
We dont need to sense magnetic bullets we have electronics and machines created from the human mind that help us do this with pin point accuracy.
No animal is genocidal because they are not smart enough to organize anything, one , say ape, can go around killing members of its shrewd, but there it will most likely be killed or run off. The ape will not gather a following of other killing apes cause their mind cannot comprehend this.
What other hippie bullshit do you have to say PETA faggot.
dopefish55 2 years ago
Animals are not genocidal because they have a heart and they are sophisticated, unlike pathetic humans. Only humans are genocidal. In Rwanda they didn't have bullets either so they used machetes or whatever was available to chop each other to pieces including babies and women and that took a million lives. Humans shouldn't be allowed to reproduce they will just destroy everything. The Earth was fine when humanity was only about a hundred million or less, now it's doomed.
ZeroHumans 2 years ago 2
have you ever seen a herd of water buffalos kill a pride of lions for no reason?
they will kill dozens of them and hunt them down,not just protect themselves but actually HUNT them!
humans arent the only genocidal creatures.
and if we need to lower the population i say we start with you as you are the only one worried about it...
robduude 2 years ago
Retard..genocide means massacring your own species. For "no reason"? Lions eat water buffalo. Water buffalo are not predators and don't "hunt" they form a circle to defend and then are smart enough to attack lions that EAT them. Of course douchebags like you would allow yourself to be eaten by the lions..not. Btw, genocide would be acceptable if it all oxygen wasting destructive sadists destroyed each other. And 6 billion humans is way too much, humans should be forcibly sterilized :]
ZeroHumans 2 years ago
Are you just stupid, or what? Show me a video showing lions killing a whole herd of water buffalos for no reason! What a bullshit comment! If these species were "Genocidal," water buffalo would've disappeared thousands of years ago! Are you that fucking thick in the head? Obviously you're another "I'm the only one that matters" asshole who makes a post without actually thinking about what he's saying first. Your comment is baseless, stupid, and means absolutely nothing.
SmokinGuitar 2 years ago
no dumbass...
BUFFALOS KILL LIONS!
get it right stupid...
the point is they dont eat lions and have no reason to hunt them and yet they do...
robduude 2 years ago