Dr. Jonas Salk, inventor of polio vaccine, exposed as criminal-minded scientist who conducted illicit medical experiments on mental patients
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The researchers emphasize, however, that the risks associated with low-level exposures to inorganic mercury in the developing brain are unknown, and they describe other research linking persistent inorganic mercury exposure with
increased activation of microglia in the brain, an effect recently reported in children with autism. They recommend further research focused specifically on the biotransformation of thimerosal and its neurotoxic potential.
“Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk”
"After contracting measles and other childhood illnesses (e.g.. chickenpox, scarlet fever, whooping cough, rubella, mumps and may be others), it has been widely accepted
by many health practitioners, including experienced orthodox paediatricians that this is often beneficial for the general health of many children. Specifically it has been shown that children contracting measles naturally were less likely to suffer from allergic conditions such as asthma, eczema and hayfever, (Lancer June 29 1996)." Trevor Gunn BSc
@Lillzbe Sorry this happened to your daughter. I discourage vaccines in my very busy chiropractic practice. My breastfed unvaccinated children are much healthier and intelligent then their counterparts.
All these pro-vaccine monsters who work for multi-national pharmaceutical corporations who make billions of dollars off poisoning children with mercury. These pieces of filth are committing genocide. Zeolite powder cures autism aka mercury poisoning. This is life or death for these children.
@CodexAlimentarius1 You're a dumbass vaccines don't cause autism people, give it up already and stop getting your info from junk science websites and youtube channels.
@billybassman21In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later. Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative.
@tfrenn So did the USA in the early 2000s as a precaution. The only vaccines that still use thimerosal is the flu vaccines. Also that was only one study and other studies have found no link to any brain damage.
@billybassman21 Yeah studies put out by whom, the Big Pharma Companies...studies in Russia and other countries shows that it causes brain damage, show me evidence that mercury is only in Flu Shots, who says? Mercury isn't the only toxin known to be contained in vaccines -- vaccines present many other health risks, including the potential for autoimmune disorders such as type 1 diabetes. Formaldehyde is in all vaccines,It causes neurological system damage, genetic damage, corrosive if ingested
How arrogant. Those of you who feel that the only way of "knowing" can be done by doctors. Research can be done by anyone. The CDC hyper-inflate their own numbers. those invited to participate in the feeding frenzy manipulate legal definitions and terms in order to keep the money flowing. The once almighty dollar, please take a bow. The new King is the King of olde. The British Sterling Pound.
Morepuppies, what you witnessed from batigol47 is the typical treatment I receive whenever I try and tell what happened. I can't get the story out and I'm being discredited.
They seek to hide behind this pseudo science, which I stopped buying into a decade ago.
I'm so sorry for the parents who are cowed into all these repeated vaccinations. It's really hard to know what the right thing to do is.
All I know, given my history, I am advised to stay away from any more vaccinations.
Thank you, again, for giving me the space to tell more of my story, unimpeded.
I know you understand what a crime it is that our inept, crooked medical system allows bad doctors to be in these positions of power. Doctors who claim to know so much more than the rest of us, often treat us as if we are nothing more than dirt on the bottom of their shoes. This was driven home by the treatment I received by the respondant, DHHS doctors during my VICP hearings, who told lies.
Dr Wrey gave me the blood tests for lupus (free of charge I might add) and, thank God, they came back negative.
It was about two months before the tunnel vision was gone, but my eyesight still suffered permanent damage and was never the same after that.
Of course, Dr Wrey became history and I was so disgusted with doctors running away from me and my problems. I was once told by a nurse that a patient like me is considered a "hot potato" who doctors don't want to handle.
I told the receptionist that I'd made an appointment with Dr. Craig Smith's office, but that I would need a referral from my present neuro, Dr Linda Wrey, in order to be seen by their office. Well, lo and behold, who do you think, all of a sudden came on the line to speak with me????!!!! You guessed it!! Dr Wrey herself! And what's more, she had time to see me immediately! Hahaha, she didn't want the renown, Dr Craig Smith, to get wind of her gross negligence and bungling.
I explained my situation and was given an appointment with an associate who said I would need a referral from the present neuro. I said I would call their office to obtain one, even though I would not be able to see this new neuro for two more weeks.
I had been doing some research about my new symptoms and found they were very much like lupus. So I was anxious to see this neuro.
I then called my present neuro's office and spoke with the same receptionist.
After living with these symptoms for 1 week, I called the neurologist's office, knowing I would not hear back from her. I again pestered the receptionist the following day to find out if she'd pssed along my message and she said she had. After 4 days of repeated calls to the neuro's office with no return call, I decided to find another neurologist. I placed a called to the most renown neurologist in our area and was told I "could not make an appointment without a referral".
I never did receive a call back from my "new" neurologist. As the rash was disappearing, the swelling in my hands was going down and the pain and spasticity was easing, new symptoms were taking their place.
My left eye developed tunnel vision and my right eye's depth and color perception was horribly affected. I was really frightened and was hoping this would settle down, but it didn't.
The chiropractor also said, "Your liver can't handle this much toxicity. You could die from this! If your neuro is not there, tell them you must have this addressed TODAY and demand to speak with an associate. Swelling like this, with pain and rash is likely a reaction to the medication. Your doctors must see this and address it today."\
I did call the neuro's office back (now the 4th time) and was put through to an associate, who said to "discontiue the nortiptyline".
The chiropractor asked me if I had called the neuro about these symptoms. I said that I'd placed my 3rd call that morning. It was now Friday and he was very concerned that I'd not received a return call since the 1st on of Wednesday morning. Then he said, "When you get home, call the neuro's office and tell them you just returned from your chiropractor and that you in a life threatening condition."
The chiropractor took one look at me and said, "What happened to you!" I explained to him everything that had gone on in the past week. He saw my chest rash. He had a very difficult time adjusting my spine, because of all the pain and swelling. I had been seeing this doctor for many years and he had been in the business for nearly 30, so I knew he knew what he was talking about. I was scared, but up to this point I did not know my rash, swelling, pain and spasticity was that serious.
Friday morning I was in such pain that I could hardly move and my fingers were like large sausages. I phoned the neuro's office, for the 3rd time, to learn that my 2nd message had been relayed to the neuro. I told the receptionist to please take a 3rd message for the neuro to call me.
I had a late morning apointment with my chiropractor and had a difficult time getting there because of the great pain and spasticity.
Early Thursday morning I, again, phoned the neurologist and spoke to the same receptionist, who said that she'd given my message to the neuro (the neuro had come in to the office to receive it) and would relay another.
I told her that my fingers and hands had become swollen and it was painful to use them. I told her I would wait by the phone, because I needed to know what to do. I was hurting and frightened. There was NO CALL BACK on Thursday!
My relief from pain was not to hold, however. It was late Monday evening that I noticed a few small red splotches on my chest. On Tuesday, there were quite a few more splotches. On Wednesday I was beginning to have some pain, in addition to the growing chest rash. I phoned the neurologist, who was not in. I told the receptionist what was happening and she said she would have her return my call. I waited ALL DAY, but there was no return call.
After the disabling tetanus shot in 1999, I sought out another neurologist after my own neurologist tried to PASS IT OFF as just an MS exacerbation. I no longer had faith in him or my GP ad chose to leave their "care", or more aptly, the LACK THERE OF.
I went to another neurologist who also held to the position that the CDC has NO PROOF that a vaccine can cause harm or cause an MS episode. The neuro said she thought she could "help" with the neuropathy (nerve pain) I had.
She offered "low dose nortriptyline" (a tri-cyclic drug). I was leary to take ANY drug, but she said she the dosage was VERY low and she had patients who were doing well with pain control. I agreed and began taking the once per day, 5 or 10 mg pill on a Friday in the AM. Amazingly, the next day I felt better and the spasticity in my torso was considerably less. I was so happy to get relief that I called the new neurologist on Monday morning to thank her and tell her the good news!
I've never had a court case in my life. I was notified by the Department of Health of Human Services, that I may have a cause for action and they supplied a list of vaccine injury attornies. Someone at DHHS noticed the evidence that I provided about the tetanus shot, leading to my disability and knew I had a VERY GOOD CAUSE FOR ACTION.
Had I known about VICP and that I HAD recourse, I wouldn't have gone away quietly to suffer and lick my wounds. I'd have found a doctor to SUPPORT ME!
Had you filed a VAERS report as of 1999? Are you sure DHHS is the one that contacted you, or was it the law firm contacting you telling you they were bringing cases like yours that had been reported but not verified? Ms. ChinCaplan, by the way, is one of the lawyers admonished for her poor advice in the Autism Omnibus proceedings. Fact is DHHS would NOT contact you, you would have to contact them first.
This is the strange thing, DHHS DID contact me via mail (I still have the letter) telling me I might have an action under VICP. I believe someone from Social Security, after Iwas approved, was so appalled at the horrible mis-treatment and neglect I had received that that it somehow triggered this etter. I called DHHS a number of times to try and find out "who" this wasm responsible for sending this, and there is no name associatd with this. FACT is DHHS DID contact me first!
"Exactly, and the evidence said you had no case" You are GROSSLY mistaken and doing exactly what mainstream medicine does to CYA.
If there was not enough evidence, there would never have been a case to begin with, nor would the Special Master (the judge) have asked to have a SECOND hearing scheduled.
I had a great case with lots of evidence that would have won IF I had a doctor's support. I could not foresee into the future that I would ever be taking this before a VICP court.
Which means you never made a case. n'est-ce pas? In 6 years you could not find a doctor that agreed with your conclusions. The reason is that it is not supported. Studies have been conducted and they have shown the theory invalid. You dismissing them is sour grapes and will get you nowhere. Learn to accept that sometimes science doesn't lead to the conclusion you expected.
Dr Vera Byers is the doctor supplied by the attorney. She was NOT someone I ever met and I did not feel well represented by her either.
Equally bad were all the untruths the respondants had to say. I could not even reply as I was "listening" by phone. The "experts" against me were full of things that NEVER HAPPENED. They literally made things up as they went along.
Doctors stick together and will not point fingers or implicate at one another.
Seriously, that woman has been ridiculed. she is the go -to doctor for ALL vaccine injury, not just a case like yours, and she has zero credibility as a witness.
I think you were scammed, and I am sorry that people got your hopes up about something that simply was not accurate.
What did they say happened that did not happen specifically?
Yeah, the entire system sucks, BIGTIME! I trust no one these days.
The respondants insisted that I had a "bladder infection" that caused another exacerbation. I never had any bladder infection and there is nothing in the medical records to indicate it.
They also said the same thing you do, "She was just going to get worse anyway."
My GP and I did not have a long time relationship. At the time of the tetanus shot, it was only the 2nd time ever seeing her. She was a new doctor and I knew she was scared when I told her about the shot's effects, so I did not press her on this. I didn't know I had any rights or cause. I didn't even know about VICP until 3 years later...long after I had quit seeing her. By then I had lost the use of my legs and the ability to run my business. Then the opportunity to file VICP came up.
The difference was that her long time GP was with her for the 10 years it took to win this case. (The respondants did EVERYTHING they could to try and make it seem like the "science" supports the impossibility of this ever happening). The plantiff won on an appeal.
My attorney has won other cases where a vaccination had either "triggered" a 1st attack of MS or "triggered" a relapse. Each case DID have the doctor's backing.
You were denied because your evidence does not support your assertion. The science says you are incorrect. I'm sorry, but those are the facts. Besides, aren't you in the UK? VICP doesn't cover outside the US.
"You were denied because your evidence does not support your assertion. The science says you are incorrect."
Don't tell me what the science says. The special master was so compelled by my case as to hear it case twice. My CYA, Chicken Shit, doctors could have been there for me, but nobody wanted to have the GP look as if her advice was the reason I was suffering.
As a result of that tetanus shot, I have far more pain than anyone I know with MS. Nobody lives with the neuropathy I do. That is the reason for the subtantial amount of Gabapentin, which has also caused me to gain 30 lbs in the past 1 and 1/2 years.
I am not a drug taker, at least I wasn't prior to all of this.
And to have mainstream dump it all in my lap is an absolute travesty.
I will NEVER TRUST THE mainstream #@%&*$# again. I see a doctor, but he's an "out of the box" guy.
I mean nobody I know that has MS has the kind of neuropathic pain I do. They don't even now hat I'm talking about.
Which leads me right back to the tetaus shot that caused this neuropathc pain. I WORK OUT daily on machines, so I suppose this explains the slower weight gain for me. I have had to adjust my food intake, as well, to stem this tide of gain & try to turn this around.
Knowing there are people who are worse off isn't really much of a comfort, when you hurt this bad.
I was in PT several times weekly at the time, but I also was athletic and trim prior to, so it was still significant change. I was also in my late twenties so my metabolism was likely changing in that period anyway.
Trust that I know what chronic pain does to a persons mentality.
VICP special master wanted to rule in my favor, due to the compelling evidence that I presented, BUT neither my GP nor my neuro would back me up and THAT WAS THE TIPPING POINT for her decision to rule against. She said if there had have been even 1 doctor.
My doctors were CYA types that would NOT budge on a tetanus shot being able to cause harm.
They would not back you up because the science doesn't back you up. It really is that simple. Of course they want to rule in your favor, because no one wants to watch someone suffer. Her job however, is not to rule on feelings but on evidence, and fact is the science has repeatedly demonstrated that assertion to be invalid.
Again, in the special master's own words, she said she was compelled by the evidence - not by her feelings.
I know of a few other cases that are nearly exactly like mine. Some prevailed and others lost. All had the same evidence, with the same dibilitating symptoms. The difference was the SUPPORT and BACK UP of the doctors. With doctors to help you, you can't win. Those who had their doctor's support prevailed.
There is no science in to this....it's called POLITICS.
mis-spelling: change to read "Without doctors to help you, you can't win." :-) Lots of typos I know, but my pinky hasn't worked for typing in years (I type with 6 fingers). My hands are quite numb, but they still work at least, and for that I'm grateful. Plus, all that gabapentin and baclofen cloud my brain quite a bit. it's difficult to ALL see the typos before I send the post
Exactly and the evidence said you had no case. You could not find a single doctor, not even your own, that supported your cause. The researchers didn't either. You are right, you cannot win without a doctor's help for good reason, because that is how science works. You have to have evidence. Politics has nothing to do with it, otherwise they would never have ruled in the one patient's favor concerning the Hep vax causing MS (despite the contrary evidence). Plausible does not mean valid.
Again, when the symptoms I experienced were THE EXACT SAME as that of many others who have won their VICP claims (that did have their doctor's support). My doctor didn't want to get involved and insisted my symptoms were just a coincidence. You can't call this science. It's pseudo science, at best. It's also POLITICS.
My vaccine injury attorney, having won a number of VICP cases, was convinced we would prevail, because of compelling EVIDENCE despite not having my own doctors.
You are ALWAYS looking to put a negative SPIN and discredit. Why is THAT? Could it be that you KNOW how low and deceitful your industry REALLY is? And, thus, everyone else has an ugly agenda as well?
Her name is Sylvia Chin-Caplan, again suppliedy by DHHS
Over a billion dollars has been paid from the vaccine injury compensation fund, for autism, MS and a score of other illnesses.
After many years of attempting to have earnest conversations with people like you, who refuse to look at the case for vaccine injury, I have had enough.
You are not earnest.
It is clear from this conversation that you just want to badger a sick woman. So I am going to go ahead and block you as a user of this thread.
You may be interested in knowing that my vaccine attorny also had a case where a woman was compelled by her employer (a school) to take a tetanus shot if she wanted to teach. She agreed to take the shot, and immediately began presenting with the same symptoms as me. She went on to become disabled and eventually won her VICP claim.
All physicians CYA, including your shrink. They cannot afford not to in the litigious society we live in. For instance, if you say you think of hurting yourself in her presence, no matter how flippantly, she is obligated to note it and follow up with procedure, whether that be calling crisis team, police or whatever.
"10% of all MS patients lose the ability to walk within 10 years. 25% within 15."
That leaves 75% of MS patients, who don't lose their ability to walk - unless they too meet up WITH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGER, such as a TETNUS SHOT.
But then again, mainstream medicine will just fall back on the old addage, "Well you were going to get worse anyway, it was just a matter of time".
"Why wait? Why not take away as much health as possible from this person, while there's still SOME left?"
Are you purposely mis-reading my posts? AND ARE YOU ALSO NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE ZOLOFT WAS IN STRENGHTS 3 TIMES TO STRONG? WHAT DO YOU THNG THIS WOULD DO TO YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM IF YOU STOPPED TAKING IT?
Again, exacebation # 1 (it's not called a relapse) began with sesation of BAD ZOLOFT (SOMETHING I SHOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN TO BEGIN WITH).
I know what drugs do when you quit them cold turkey. I suffer neuropathy from a damaged ankle and a post surgical complication, and I have dealt with it for almost 6 years now.
Exacerbation means to make worse, which means the zoloft was not making it worse. Cessation means to stop. Caps do not help your case, and your spelling and determination not to read the drug information sheet undermines confidence in your ability to properly research and draw unbiased evidential conclusions.
What all of this has done, and EPECIALLY after our dialogue is reinforced my understanding how mainstream medicine is simply a practice for huge profit, laying waste to whoever stands in its way. It will swallow you in an instant, and then tell your loved ones, "Well she wasn't worth having around as a normal person, it was going to happen anyway."
The entire system is fraught with crooks, frauds and phonies fighting to keep rich.
There is corruption in any industry, but ask yourself why the Holistic practitioners, which are relatively few and make huge profits while giving no scientific evidence are any less if not more corrupt?
I asked you a question. Why do you think they would be any less corrupt? The evidence against the industry is all over the place if you look at the case law.
It also presents what is called "opportunity cost". Seeking holistic treatment may cost vital time for medical treatment. A disease could progress past the point of no return in a short period of time.
You were not suffering the MS symptoms, as you said that the relapse occurred after you quit taking it. I am merely following the information you give me. Being sedated is, unfortunately a side effect of Zoloft, but that has nothing to do with its efficacy in treating what it is supposed to. That sedation level is one of the reasons that lower dosages are now recommended to begin with.
You were an adult thirteen years ago and you know how to read.
"The only person in denial is you". I am NOT in denial, Pal, else I'd never have disclosed all this to an absolute STRANGER on a Youtube site. I freely gave you as much information as I can remember.
I didn't blame the GP. I thought I'd read all the directions thoroughly and I do not remember reading anythng about a tapper and GP never mentioned anything either. Your're right, that's a horse on me.
But YOU do know very well that a tetanus shot can cause the CNS pain I now live with.
You are in denial. You have stated that you deny the research. That is denial.
I have nothing against you, and I am not interested in hurting you or your case. If anything I am trying to help you recognize the reality of the situation. Fact is that even if it was a trigger, which the evidence says it is not, it does not change your current situation and your focus should be on research into ameliorating the condition rather than laying blame.
There certainly are people who should not receive them, but that is NOT why VICP exists. VICP exists for the people who have unpredicted reactions, people that gave no indication that they should not be vaccinated. In retrospect they should not have received them, but retrospect does not help. VICP exists to take care of those who suffered those rare effects without undermining the general public health. Those that shouldn't receive vaxes are protected by the majority getting them.
The only thing I take issue with is that you are here promoting that kids should not get vaccines based on information that does not hold up to any critical examination. in other words, you are free to believe what you will, but spreading that belief draws in the value to the general public which requires a response. I applaud you for being willing to give the facts as best you remember them, but those facts do not add up to your conclusion.
"And those studies are being done by a for profit company."
Profit is a good thing. I owned a business for 28 years, before giving it up to disability.
I am against the fraud and the bilking of Medicare and Medicaid which is EXTENSIVE. I agree the insurance companies are guilty of fraud and also need to be taken to task.
I know you don't believe in God, but .....
My father used to say, "God helps those that help themselves, but God help those that help themselves to too much."
Vaccines are a 19 billion dollar a year industry. Drug makers brag to investors about how much their vax lines are making, then turn to the consumer and say they are making nothing on vaccines.
Think Merck - Gardasil.
I have written on this. Some have suggested it is time to investigate them because they are either lying to their customers or their investors.
19 billion dollars is not big money for as many corporations are involved. Pfizer alone made in the area of 10billion last year and the fine levied against them last week was 2.3 billion. That is net profit, not gross, which is the 19 billion figure you state. Vaccines are expensive to produce and do not have high turn over. The gardasil vaccine is new and thus there is a jump in initial profits which is why they fight for patents, because long term they disappear.
19 billion dollars is a lot of money. Especially for a product line for which you cannot be held liable for any damages which arise from said product line. Especially when you don't even have to advertise them because governments force the public to buy them. And of course everyone in the military gets every shot.
After the 1985 vaccine injury act, corporations poured money into RnD for for vaccines and there are at least 100 vaccines coming through the pipeline soon.
Add to that the widespread damage that they do. Autoimmune and neurological disorders are skyrocketing. Pharma gets to make money making the mess, then make money when people spend the rest of their lives dependent on their products to treat the damage.
Except you are taking leaps that vaccines are behind any of these disorders. There is no evidence that they are and substantial evidence that they are not.
We are talking about vaccines here, which are, again, and underwhelming percentage of pharma profits The money is in little blue pills and hair loss.
They can still be held liable for any number of things: false marketing, faked research, production errors, etc. The only thing they are not held liable for is unforeseen medical complications, because they happen and it is entirely unavoidable.
Lower profit for vaccines compared to treatments, is NOT NO PROFIT.
Up to 3333% mark up on treatments is beyond obscene, IMHO, and WHY I have no respect for the greedy pharmaceuticals.
I'd like to see "how low" this profit is for the pharmeceuticals. I'm sure it still amounts to obscene profits. Especially when they help themselves to taxpayer dollars to create these things ridiculous things. Swine flu shot being another huge crime against the sheeple.
According to WHO, vaccines are less than 2% of the pharma business. There are only a handful of companies that can afford to make them. The smaller producers have been driven out of business in no small part due to litigation which even when entirely unfounded costs them substantial sums, in turn raising market prices and cutting supply. the vaccine court was established precisely because the vaccines had become so unprofitable that all but one company had quit making the diptheria vaccine.
"It covers all the doctors, nurses, support staff, insurance and so on. These people are not all on the same page and to suggest that it is all one big conspiracy is ludicrous."
Please, isn't this patently OBVIOUS? I've been dealing with this for over 13 years, and I think I've figured this out.
The point being that your statement about 20% is misleading. The biggest expense is health insurance, and it is the most fraudulent industry in the country with the possible exception of debt collection.
The GP INSISTED I needed a routine tetanus shot (I never had any injury) and when I asked her questions about it's potential to make my MS worse, she SNAPPED AT ME, saying, "I've never heard of such a thing."
In that moment, I gave up my power to the GP and forgot what I had read in Judy Graham's book and the clinical trials in England and Europe.
It was when I was getting into my car to go home from the GP's office that I began to feel tightness in my jaw and neck.
When Ms. Graham wrote her book in 1984, that was a legitimate thesis. It has since been studied and found to have no merit. The same scenario with vaccines/autism. The studies have been done and what was a potential answer turned out not to be one. Part of being scientific is recognizing that things do not always work the way you hoped and adjusting when they don't.
You saying her thesis has"no merit" is incorrect. In fact her dietary plans, as are Dr Swank's, are now regularly featured in ALL the MS publications (which I receive). The publications tell how many people report improvement of symptoms after following the diet.
Nobody is saying that it will cure MS, but it certaintly helped me achieve remission and I KNOW I would have remained there were it not for the tetanus shot of '99
Her thesis regarding vaccines, which was not solely hers but that of many scientists 20 years ago, has been shown scientifically to have no merit. I am not saying that all of the suggestions she makes on how you can help yourself are invalid.
You still haven't answered my question. Would you take the Neurovax if it promised a cure? Ironic thing here is that its development has been delayed because the company went bankrupt due to the low profit margins on vaccines...
You already said that you would never take another vaccine though. And those studies are being done by a for profit company.
Before you get your hopes up though, remember that the vax is stuck in phase II trials (phase I was something like 92% effective) because they ran out of funding.
BTW, the studies you speak of I dismiss entirely. Who funds these studies? Who conducts these studies? Who stands to benefit financially on the outcome?
I won't be dictated to by the health care system, a system that sells things they DON'T GURANTEE.
Another reason for my disability is because I had a menisectomy in my right knee in '77. Surgeon said he was going to repair meniscus with a new proceedure. No mention about its removal. As a result, I need a new knee
BTW I am a very up beat, and happy person and should have NEVER been given SSRI's.
"You had already been diagnosed, and it was always going to get worse."
This statement is absolutely wrong. I know people with MS who have NEVER gotten worse. The have had it for over 20 years and still work - they never became disabled.
I remained in remission (working and carrying on with my life - taking extra good care of myself) until I visited that same GP in early 1999.
After only three years from the initial diagnosis, which again had to have been presenting beforehand, you had a relapse. No matter what the trigger that means you had relapsing MS, so there is absolutely no way for you to know that you would have been fine. 10% of all MS patients lose the ability to walk within 10 years. 25% within 15. Your unfortunate situation does not change the science. I hope you feel better and that it goes into remission again, but that does not change the origin.
"No matter what the trigger" is the OUT used by mainstream medicine to absolve itself from ANY responsibility.
You can't know how much quality time I would have had? It's ridiculous and self serving to say, "Oh you were going to get worse, so it doesn't matter if we give you a push".
You're also not taking into account that a tetanus shot can be very harmful to the CNS. My CNS developed neuropathy that I did not have beforehand.
The tetanus shot altered my course and did major harm.
The point is that you do not know, and the trigger you claim has been shown repeatedly not to be a trigger by multiple sources which you dismiss because you do not like their answers. Who sponsors Harvard's school of Public health that you do not approve of specifically? Don't you realize these same studies are the ones that gave you the diagnosis? Why do you believe their diagnostics that far?
To repair meniscus you have to remove the damaged part of it. I have had it done myself.
"After only three years from the initial diagnosis, which again had to have been presenting beforehand, you had a relapse."
The diagnosis came 2 1/2 months into initial relapse which began upon discontinuing the OVERDOSE OF ZOLOFT, which did something terrible to my nervous system. I don't understand why mainstream medicine is NOT sympathic to this,. Doctor gives a patient something that is found to be NOT good for them but it's the patient's fault because they didnt' read the fine print?
You really should know better than to quit maintenance drugs cold turkey, and the information is certainly on the package. You are worried about things in vaccines that are negligible, but aren't paying attention to the given information. That doesn't make sense does it?
You haven't shown that the Zoloft caused any problems. Contrary, it seems to have worked, as you did not relapse until you QUIT taking it. People still take that amount, they just do not usually start at it, like tylenol.
BTW, I don't place ANY stock in what studies have shown between MS and vaccines. Vaccines make BIG MONEY FOR IMMORAL COMPANIES who commit fraud and cheat whenever possible. And the government is NOT the good guy in all of this either.
Anyway, after 3 weeks of no sleep I was sent to a neurologist for lots of testing and ultimately dx'd with MS. Doctor would make no comment on the Zoloft or flu shot.
I believe I was pre-disposed and either one or both were the trigger.
You just said you do not believe in the science. Vaccines are not big money makers for the pharmaceutical companies. The painkillers and muscle relaxers you take are. There is far more money in treating disease than there is in preventing it.
A trigger is not a cause and that is a HUGE difference. You would get MS no matter what it was just a matter of time.
There is plenty of BIG MONEY for Big Pharma in vaccines and BILLIONS OF STIMILUS TAX DOLLARS FOR SWINE FLU!.
Who is it up to, to determine how much time I had before I might be diagnosed with MS? You are saying that the quality time (however long that might be) has no value? It might have been 5, 10, 20 years. Don't excuse doctors or big pharma who play GOD? Had I never had the Zoloft poisoning or vaccinations I believe my legs would still be working.
You said that your MS was in remission after diagnosis, so you cannot claim that you would still be walking. You had already been diagnosed, and it was always going to get worse.
You failed to respond to the fact that you had symptoms that led to Zoloft being prescribed which were already signs of your MS. You simply did not know that yet. You said the condition was worse when you went off it, which suggests that you were depressed/stressed and that it did help to stem the symptoms.
There were no symptoms that led to the Zoloft other than the GP INSISTING I was depressed. GP asked me questions about my marriage and when she found out I was in an unhappy marriage she asked if I'd ever had suicidal thoughts. The moment I said, "I had", she said, "Oh you're depressed.", and whipped out the Zoloft samples and prescription. I'm sorry, she was NOT qualified to make this determination. She was far too anxious to sell me the Zoloft and win her trip to Acapulco.
My psychiatrist says the GP was not qualified. EVERYONE has had thoughts of suicide -EVERYONE. It takes much more thorough, in-depth, examination to determine if someone is truly depressed and really in need of these mind altering SSRI's. And the Zoloft of 1995 was an unsafe drug. The GP was a GP with a little information and THAT was a dangerous thing. It's a disgrace that DRUG PUSHERS are the ones who do the educating of the doctors to their drug lines. Docs know what the peddlers say.
"You said that your MS was in remission after diagnosis, so you cannot claim that you would still be walking. You had already been diagnosed, and it was always going to get worse."
I don't understand what you're getting at with these two sentences, but, I'll try and set you straight.
A course of MS is NOT the same for all individuals. Are you not aware of "benign MS"? The individual experiences a single attack and NEVER sees another DOES NOT ever go on to become disabled.
I am well aware of the patterns of MS. The point is that you had the symptoms prior to diagnosis, hence they made it and there is no way of knowing how it would have progressed. Benign MS doesn't mean they are never disabled, it means there are no deficits between attacks. There is a distinct difference. That stated, you case is quite obviously not benign. You are a woman over thirty in the UK, if you are Scottish it would make you the most likely subgroup in the world to get relapsing MS.
It's obvious you do not understand the nature of MS.
Why would I not be walking after an initial MS diagnosis, that was made in early '96 after my ONE AND ONLY flu shot and an OVERDOSING of of Zoloft?
Are you not familiar with the term "remission"? Remission was my goal and I worked hard to acheive it. Remission meant I was working full time and performing in my two bands as the lead singer and bass player. I cut back on
the amount of work, and the symptoms were greatly reduced.
Many of the original debilitating symptoms leading to the diagnosis had disappeared entirely! I was following all the instructions by Judy Graham, who wrote a fabulous book on MS management. She was married to a doctor and lives in England. Being involved in a number of clinical trials she was a wealth of information and helped me gain my remission. She was EMPHATIC about staying away from vaccines due to the number of MS cases that had been reported after a vaccination.
Ignore him. The only time I ever got the flu is when I too was overworked and overtired, and wasn't taking my vitamins. If you eat healthy,exercise, get plenty of rest, and take multiple vitamins, you'll fare much better, and you won't need a vitamin B shot.
Yeah, what a coincidence. Baxter must have psychics working for them. They use scare tactics to get more than willing to roll up our sleeves. Watch, soon you'll hear that it's much more deadly than they thought. They'll probably show Obama's children getting their shots on TV. Obama has invested heavlied in Baxter.
That's the whole problem with pharmaceuticals and government. SLEEPING WITH EACH OTHER is a long time, conflict of intrest, problem. Fortunes to be made for individuals employed in the government with inside information. That's why congress rarely "gets things done".
I'm reading the book, "Culture of Corruption" by Michelle Malkin. Wow! The Obama's have had their hands in and have been manipulating the medical system for years. I'm learning about how they came into all their money! Wow!
Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion last week by the government. That is more than a slap on the wrist to any company; an entire quarters' profits.
As for Michelle Malkin, if you are looking for hypocrites, look no further.
Congress rarely gets things done because that is how representative democracy works. Perhaps you would prefer fascism? There is a distinct irony to so many people knowing so little about government.
That's right. Do you know that Baxter won't be held liable if the Swine Flu vaccination causes harm or death to anyone? Also, do you know that Bayer and Baxter knowingly injected people with vaccinations that contained HIV?
Now I know you haven't done your research. You are obviously referring to the Factor VIII contamination in the early 80's. There was no test for HIV at that time and Factor VIII is not a vaccine.
An entire quarters' profits is huge in the operation of a large corporation. I think you have no idea how they work financially. They do not simply have cash laying around. Capital is reinvested quarterly. The company is public and when they don't make money they lose investors, which further hurts their capital which limits their production, which limits their investors and so on. Pfizer is not one person or even a couple.
How could government ignore this? It was the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind ever.
Although the investigation began and largely ended during the Bush administration, top Obama administration officials held a news conference on Wednesday to celebrate the settlement, thank each other for resolving it and promise more crackdowns on health fraud.
What did the government ignore? They are the ones that fined Pfizer. They held a conference to announce it and say they will follow them even closer and you claim they are ignoring it...that makes no sense at all.
I didn't say they ignored anythng. I said, "How could the government ignore this?".
BTW, I was dx'd with MS after a flu shot in '95 and a simultaneous, 6 weeks dosing, of Zoloft which the GP, at the time, insisted I needed. After discontinuing the Zoloft the MS exacerbation began. A long ordeal, but I got to remission.
It was three years afterward in '99 when same GP insisted giving tetanus shot that another attack began, as I was leaving the office. This attack disabled me.
I'm sorry you are going to need to clarify your statement. are you saying the government couldn't ignore their own rules when their own investigations turned up violations? What sense does that make? They could have ignored it as long as they wanted. They didn't. And before you said it wasn't a big deal, so which is it? Too big to ignore or no big deal?
So now Zoloft and the Flu vaccine gave you MS? Then, going off zoloft made it worsen? What do you mean by attack?
I'm saying violations were so blatant that the government could hardly ignore it, even if they wanted to. It was just a snide remark.
I told you this is a long story. I've written a 10 page word document explaining it. So bear with me and keep StumpyOuch's comments on a leash.
I got a flu shot and was given a 6 weeks sample pack of Zoloft. My doctor, who I was seeing for the 1st time, was pushing it at the time. I wasn't depressed, she just said I was, base on a few questions.
I took the Zoloft for 6 weeks and could not see the point of taking something that made me want to sleep all the time. When I missed the first dose (after the 6 weeks) , I could not sleep that night or for the next 3 weeks. I felt all kinds of jabs and itches throughout my torso all night long. I got no REM sleep and was stil getting up each day for work. Several days into not taking the Zoloft, my torso, arms and hands went numb. My hands were cold and I lost use of them.
So what you are saying is that the Zoloft worked. You also are not supposed to quit taking it cold turkey or things like insomnia and jitteriness will occur, which would only add further stress, which is known to increase MS issues.
Zoloft was a mistake as was the flu shot. She pushed an antidpressent on me because a slick, pharmaceutical salesman was pushing this new drug and she had lots of "free" sample packs to hand out along with a prescription I was NOT depressed and she was not a psychiatrist. I do have a psychiatrist, who says those sample packs given out in 1995 were 4 times stronger than the zoloft that was ultimately re-formulated to. He says I was given an over dosing.
So you believe the studies that said it should be reformulated? GPs can make initial psych diagnoses. While I agree that those are overprescribed & I do not agree with the methods used by the marketers, they do work for people with psychiatric symptoms which yours very well could have been. You say you were NOT diagnosed MS then and they would NOT have given you the Z. for no reason, so you had to have had some symptoms of the MS already. As for dose, all the more reason not to quit cold turkey.
You think the GP gave me any info about not quitting cold turkey? She gave nothing like that. Some doctors know a little information and it is truly a dangerous thing. They turn around and harm their unwitting patients. I am not a doctor. I don't know of any studies pertaining to reformulating Zoloft. I only know what my psychiatrist told me (recently) about the initial dosage being too strong and he said I was poisoned.
The GP asked me some questions and decided that I was depressed.
Side effect information may be printed on the lables (in the smallest print possible, readable ONLY with a magnifying glass), but sample dosages in '95 were 75% stronger, than today's formulation and had NOT BEEN PROPERLY TESTED. I was, in fact, a guineau pig for Big Pharma's newest hopeful in thier cavalcade of stars. I don't understand how you can make excuses for these underhanded practices. If the dosages had been proper from the start, this tragedy could have been averted.
The health care industry is 20% of the US economy. I understand you feel the need to "protect" it from. You have not stated your credentials, not to me anyway. There is NOTHING you can say to me to undo the harm that has been done to me. Every single one of us that has had a vaccination hurt us KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt what has happened. The pharmaceutical industry and the government are fraught with corruption, cover ups and greed. You'd see differently if you were in my shoes.
The health care industry is not comprised entirely of vaccine or even pharmaceutical companies. It covers all the doctors, nurses, support staff, insurance and so on. These people are not all on the same page and to suggest that it is all one big conspiracy is ludicrous.
You only "know" what someone else told you. You have chosen to accept the information that gives you someone to blame and refuse to look at it critically while disregarding the myriad proven answers that don't.
For the record, my background is Special Education and I have zero ties to any pharmacy doctor or company. I have however seen what happens to kids with complications from Hib, Rotavirus, measles, chicken pox and scarlet fever, all of which are preventable. You are spreading information which is disingenuous and dangerous.
What good would an MS vaccine do for me at this stage? How well tested is it? There are so many MS trials going on...I'd take the wait and see approach.
I also know two people with MS that had the the stem cell transplant and both died. I'm leary of medicine.
I don't like what they've done to me and will take no responsibility!
AN OVERDOSE OF ZOLOFT??? A tetanus shot that took away what I had left disabling me? How can you ask me to trust this cowardly system?
Since my GP and neurologist turned their backs, I found a neurologist, who was angered that I was treated so badly. He questioned the GP's insistance of a tetanus shot with someone with MS. He said "no one can claim what has happened" to me was not related to the shot, because NOBODY knows for sure. There have not been enough tests, MS is too complicated and he agreed that I had not received good medical care. He said he would not have advised any vaccines for me.
No one did know for sure 10 years ago. Since then several studies have shown that there is no causal connection between vaccines and MS.
the irony is that there is a vaccine in trial for MS as we speak. You use medical treatments as we speak, will you not get that treatment if it proves as promising as it has to this point?
Nothing surprises me anymore. We've been manipulated and lied to for years. My family and I, will never receieve another vaccination again. The best protection against any flu is, vitamin D. Check into it, you'll see.
That is simply not true. Vitamin D is important to your health, but it will not prevent you from getting flu, and once you have it there are a myriad of possibilities to how virulent it could be.
I've had the flu twice in my entire life and I was over worked, running on lack of sleep, in at very low point emotionally and extremely run down. I take loads of vitamins daily, including C and D. IT WORKS! NO VACCINES WILL EVER PENETRATE my skin again! Let the fools take have our share.
Your being overworked and stressed is hardly novel. Fact is it was exposure to the bug that got you sick. Surely those weren't the only two times you have ever been stressed. Certainly isn't the case from your previous posts.
I'm saying it's the two times in my life that exposure to flu virus overwhelmed me. I have a strong immune system. I lived with a smoker for 17 years, who got the flu every year. When I got it, I knew it was because I was too weak to fight it off. I had NOT been taking the usual good care of myself and the bugs got the best of me. I need my sleep, raw foods and vitamins!!
I have been around peple with the flu a lot and I don't catch it.
You don't have all the facts regarding my disability. I began telling them to previously, but decided to discontinue because of all the nasty insults being hurled at me. I will not discuss anything if there are insults being thrown at me. I am very respectful to others and do not use ad hominum as a tactic. I have my facts. My story is more than a few words can describe here in these message boxes. May I ask what are your credentials that you give medical advice to people?
... Ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.
I havent provided any ad hominem, and ad hominem is not "circumstantial".
First I tell no one to do anything that isn't recommended by the CDC, meaning my credentials are irrelevant. Further, what difference does it make to you? You do not listen to the people with credentials who have given you a diagnosis and told you that your disease was not caused by a vaccine. That isn't an ad hominem statement, it's what you have said previously and entirely relevant to your interpretation of information.
Your friend StumpOuch said plenty of childish, hurtful, nasty, irrelevant and STOOOOOOOOOPID things to say. And you made your share of condecending remarks. Again, you do NOT understand my ENTIRE history. A few paragraphs do not say EVERYTHING, yet you draw conclusions based on the small snapshopt. I was trying to tell the whole story, but you kept interjecting with your conclusions, before you HEARD IT ALL.
Dr. Jonas Salk, inventor of polio vaccine, exposed as criminal-minded scientist who conducted illicit medical experiments on mental patients
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The researchers emphasize, however, that the risks associated with low-level exposures to inorganic mercury in the developing brain are unknown, and they describe other research linking persistent inorganic mercury exposure with
atissueweallfalldown 1 year ago
increased activation of microglia in the brain, an effect recently reported in children with autism. They recommend further research focused specifically on the biotransformation of thimerosal and its neurotoxic potential.
“Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk”
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"After contracting measles and other childhood illnesses (e.g.. chickenpox, scarlet fever, whooping cough, rubella, mumps and may be others), it has been widely accepted
atissueweallfalldown 1 year ago
by many health practitioners, including experienced orthodox paediatricians that this is often beneficial for the general health of many children. Specifically it has been shown that children contracting measles naturally were less likely to suffer from allergic conditions such as asthma, eczema and hayfever, (Lancer June 29 1996)." Trevor Gunn BSc
atissueweallfalldown 1 year ago
@atissueweallfalldown Unvaccinated children are generally healthier than vaccinated children.
chiropractic47 9 months ago
My friend's daughter developed autism right after her vaccines.....this shit scares the crap out of me.
Lillzbe 1 year ago
@Lillzbe Sorry this happened to your daughter. I discourage vaccines in my very busy chiropractic practice. My breastfed unvaccinated children are much healthier and intelligent then their counterparts.
chiropractic47 9 months ago
lol are these people for real? xD oh if the U.S public wants another epidemic outbreak of new strains of viruses, then be my guest!
the more idiots lost through these viruses the better
Say Yes to the eradication of viruses, Yes to vaccinations
B4IRUTUARU16 1 year ago
@B4IRUTUARU16 You've been tagged as a pharma-rep.
chiropractic47 9 months ago
ugh fuck no no vaccines
taylorhendrickson1 1 year ago
governments faut its the vaccines
fuckthaworld323 1 year ago
All these pro-vaccine monsters who work for multi-national pharmaceutical corporations who make billions of dollars off poisoning children with mercury. These pieces of filth are committing genocide. Zeolite powder cures autism aka mercury poisoning. This is life or death for these children.
CodexAlimentarius1 1 year ago
@CodexAlimentarius1 You're a dumbass vaccines don't cause autism people, give it up already and stop getting your info from junk science websites and youtube channels.
billybassman21 1 year ago
@billybassman21In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later. Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative.
tfrenn 1 year ago
@tfrenn So did the USA in the early 2000s as a precaution. The only vaccines that still use thimerosal is the flu vaccines. Also that was only one study and other studies have found no link to any brain damage.
billybassman21 1 year ago
@billybassman21 Yeah studies put out by whom, the Big Pharma Companies...studies in Russia and other countries shows that it causes brain damage, show me evidence that mercury is only in Flu Shots, who says? Mercury isn't the only toxin known to be contained in vaccines -- vaccines present many other health risks, including the potential for autoimmune disorders such as type 1 diabetes. Formaldehyde is in all vaccines,It causes neurological system damage, genetic damage, corrosive if ingested
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I hope still living crippled victims of Polio stick their crutches up your ass.
I hope the old ladies who still see in their nightmares their babies suffocating to death by Diphtheria will beat you with their walkers.
Jenny McCarthy - for every child who died of infectious diseases because of your ignorance you psychotic bitch, you will pay burning in hell!
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sonofdazhbog 2 years ago
How arrogant. Those of you who feel that the only way of "knowing" can be done by doctors. Research can be done by anyone. The CDC hyper-inflate their own numbers. those invited to participate in the feeding frenzy manipulate legal definitions and terms in order to keep the money flowing. The once almighty dollar, please take a bow. The new King is the King of olde. The British Sterling Pound.
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GodForum 2 years ago
Morepuppies, what you witnessed from batigol47 is the typical treatment I receive whenever I try and tell what happened. I can't get the story out and I'm being discredited.
They seek to hide behind this pseudo science, which I stopped buying into a decade ago.
I'm so sorry for the parents who are cowed into all these repeated vaccinations. It's really hard to know what the right thing to do is.
All I know, given my history, I am advised to stay away from any more vaccinations.
SharMess 2 years ago
Dear morepuppies,
Thank you, again, for giving me the space to tell more of my story, unimpeded.
I know you understand what a crime it is that our inept, crooked medical system allows bad doctors to be in these positions of power. Doctors who claim to know so much more than the rest of us, often treat us as if we are nothing more than dirt on the bottom of their shoes. This was driven home by the treatment I received by the respondant, DHHS doctors during my VICP hearings, who told lies.
SharMess 2 years ago
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Dr Wrey gave me the blood tests for lupus (free of charge I might add) and, thank God, they came back negative.
It was about two months before the tunnel vision was gone, but my eyesight still suffered permanent damage and was never the same after that.
Of course, Dr Wrey became history and I was so disgusted with doctors running away from me and my problems. I was once told by a nurse that a patient like me is considered a "hot potato" who doctors don't want to handle.
SharMess 2 years ago
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I told the receptionist that I'd made an appointment with Dr. Craig Smith's office, but that I would need a referral from my present neuro, Dr Linda Wrey, in order to be seen by their office. Well, lo and behold, who do you think, all of a sudden came on the line to speak with me????!!!! You guessed it!! Dr Wrey herself! And what's more, she had time to see me immediately! Hahaha, she didn't want the renown, Dr Craig Smith, to get wind of her gross negligence and bungling.
SharMess 2 years ago
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I explained my situation and was given an appointment with an associate who said I would need a referral from the present neuro. I said I would call their office to obtain one, even though I would not be able to see this new neuro for two more weeks.
I had been doing some research about my new symptoms and found they were very much like lupus. So I was anxious to see this neuro.
I then called my present neuro's office and spoke with the same receptionist.
SharMess 2 years ago
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After living with these symptoms for 1 week, I called the neurologist's office, knowing I would not hear back from her. I again pestered the receptionist the following day to find out if she'd pssed along my message and she said she had. After 4 days of repeated calls to the neuro's office with no return call, I decided to find another neurologist. I placed a called to the most renown neurologist in our area and was told I "could not make an appointment without a referral".
SharMess 2 years ago
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I never did receive a call back from my "new" neurologist. As the rash was disappearing, the swelling in my hands was going down and the pain and spasticity was easing, new symptoms were taking their place.
My left eye developed tunnel vision and my right eye's depth and color perception was horribly affected. I was really frightened and was hoping this would settle down, but it didn't.
SharMess 2 years ago
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The chiropractor also said, "Your liver can't handle this much toxicity. You could die from this! If your neuro is not there, tell them you must have this addressed TODAY and demand to speak with an associate. Swelling like this, with pain and rash is likely a reaction to the medication. Your doctors must see this and address it today."\
I did call the neuro's office back (now the 4th time) and was put through to an associate, who said to "discontiue the nortiptyline".
SharMess 2 years ago
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The chiropractor asked me if I had called the neuro about these symptoms. I said that I'd placed my 3rd call that morning. It was now Friday and he was very concerned that I'd not received a return call since the 1st on of Wednesday morning. Then he said, "When you get home, call the neuro's office and tell them you just returned from your chiropractor and that you in a life threatening condition."
SharMess 2 years ago
The chiropractor took one look at me and said, "What happened to you!" I explained to him everything that had gone on in the past week. He saw my chest rash. He had a very difficult time adjusting my spine, because of all the pain and swelling. I had been seeing this doctor for many years and he had been in the business for nearly 30, so I knew he knew what he was talking about. I was scared, but up to this point I did not know my rash, swelling, pain and spasticity was that serious.
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Friday morning I was in such pain that I could hardly move and my fingers were like large sausages. I phoned the neuro's office, for the 3rd time, to learn that my 2nd message had been relayed to the neuro. I told the receptionist to please take a 3rd message for the neuro to call me.
I had a late morning apointment with my chiropractor and had a difficult time getting there because of the great pain and spasticity.
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Early Thursday morning I, again, phoned the neurologist and spoke to the same receptionist, who said that she'd given my message to the neuro (the neuro had come in to the office to receive it) and would relay another.
I told her that my fingers and hands had become swollen and it was painful to use them. I told her I would wait by the phone, because I needed to know what to do. I was hurting and frightened. There was NO CALL BACK on Thursday!
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My relief from pain was not to hold, however. It was late Monday evening that I noticed a few small red splotches on my chest. On Tuesday, there were quite a few more splotches. On Wednesday I was beginning to have some pain, in addition to the growing chest rash. I phoned the neurologist, who was not in. I told the receptionist what was happening and she said she would have her return my call. I waited ALL DAY, but there was no return call.
SharMess 2 years ago
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After the disabling tetanus shot in 1999, I sought out another neurologist after my own neurologist tried to PASS IT OFF as just an MS exacerbation. I no longer had faith in him or my GP ad chose to leave their "care", or more aptly, the LACK THERE OF.
I went to another neurologist who also held to the position that the CDC has NO PROOF that a vaccine can cause harm or cause an MS episode. The neuro said she thought she could "help" with the neuropathy (nerve pain) I had.
SharMess 2 years ago
She offered "low dose nortriptyline" (a tri-cyclic drug). I was leary to take ANY drug, but she said she the dosage was VERY low and she had patients who were doing well with pain control. I agreed and began taking the once per day, 5 or 10 mg pill on a Friday in the AM. Amazingly, the next day I felt better and the spasticity in my torso was considerably less. I was so happy to get relief that I called the new neurologist on Monday morning to thank her and tell her the good news!
SharMess 2 years ago
Thank you, morepuppies, for YOUR earnestness and support.
SharMess 2 years ago
I've never had a court case in my life. I was notified by the Department of Health of Human Services, that I may have a cause for action and they supplied a list of vaccine injury attornies. Someone at DHHS noticed the evidence that I provided about the tetanus shot, leading to my disability and knew I had a VERY GOOD CAUSE FOR ACTION.
Had I known about VICP and that I HAD recourse, I wouldn't have gone away quietly to suffer and lick my wounds. I'd have found a doctor to SUPPORT ME!
SharMess 2 years ago
Had you filed a VAERS report as of 1999? Are you sure DHHS is the one that contacted you, or was it the law firm contacting you telling you they were bringing cases like yours that had been reported but not verified? Ms. ChinCaplan, by the way, is one of the lawyers admonished for her poor advice in the Autism Omnibus proceedings. Fact is DHHS would NOT contact you, you would have to contact them first.
batigol47 2 years ago
This is the strange thing, DHHS DID contact me via mail (I still have the letter) telling me I might have an action under VICP. I believe someone from Social Security, after Iwas approved, was so appalled at the horrible mis-treatment and neglect I had received that that it somehow triggered this etter. I called DHHS a number of times to try and find out "who" this wasm responsible for sending this, and there is no name associatd with this. FACT is DHHS DID contact me first!
SharMess 2 years ago
"Exactly, and the evidence said you had no case" You are GROSSLY mistaken and doing exactly what mainstream medicine does to CYA.
If there was not enough evidence, there would never have been a case to begin with, nor would the Special Master (the judge) have asked to have a SECOND hearing scheduled.
I had a great case with lots of evidence that would have won IF I had a doctor's support. I could not foresee into the future that I would ever be taking this before a VICP court.
SharMess 2 years ago
You can file a claim whether you actually have a case or not. When is this second hearing scheduled?
batigol47 2 years ago
The final decision was in 2005!
SharMess 2 years ago
My case was closed in 2005!
SharMess 2 years ago
Which means you never made a case. n'est-ce pas? In 6 years you could not find a doctor that agreed with your conclusions. The reason is that it is not supported. Studies have been conducted and they have shown the theory invalid. You dismissing them is sour grapes and will get you nowhere. Learn to accept that sometimes science doesn't lead to the conclusion you expected.
batigol47 2 years ago
Dr Vera Byers is the doctor supplied by the attorney. She was NOT someone I ever met and I did not feel well represented by her either.
Equally bad were all the untruths the respondants had to say. I could not even reply as I was "listening" by phone. The "experts" against me were full of things that NEVER HAPPENED. They literally made things up as they went along.
Doctors stick together and will not point fingers or implicate at one another.
SharMess 2 years ago
Seriously, that woman has been ridiculed. she is the go -to doctor for ALL vaccine injury, not just a case like yours, and she has zero credibility as a witness.
I think you were scammed, and I am sorry that people got your hopes up about something that simply was not accurate.
What did they say happened that did not happen specifically?
batigol47 2 years ago
Yeah, the entire system sucks, BIGTIME! I trust no one these days.
The respondants insisted that I had a "bladder infection" that caused another exacerbation. I never had any bladder infection and there is nothing in the medical records to indicate it.
They also said the same thing you do, "She was just going to get worse anyway."
SharMess 2 years ago
My GP and I did not have a long time relationship. At the time of the tetanus shot, it was only the 2nd time ever seeing her. She was a new doctor and I knew she was scared when I told her about the shot's effects, so I did not press her on this. I didn't know I had any rights or cause. I didn't even know about VICP until 3 years later...long after I had quit seeing her. By then I had lost the use of my legs and the ability to run my business. Then the opportunity to file VICP came up.
SharMess 2 years ago
The difference was that her long time GP was with her for the 10 years it took to win this case. (The respondants did EVERYTHING they could to try and make it seem like the "science" supports the impossibility of this ever happening). The plantiff won on an appeal.
My attorney has won other cases where a vaccination had either "triggered" a 1st attack of MS or "triggered" a relapse. Each case DID have the doctor's backing.
SharMess 2 years ago
" VICP exists for the people who have unpredicted reactions, people that gave no indication that they should not be vaccinated."
That was my situation and I was denied.
SharMess 2 years ago
You were denied because your evidence does not support your assertion. The science says you are incorrect. I'm sorry, but those are the facts. Besides, aren't you in the UK? VICP doesn't cover outside the US.
batigol47 2 years ago
I am in the USA, born and bred! See how you make assumptions, because I read a great book by written by someone outside the US?
SharMess 2 years ago
Simply had you confused with another, but that is why I phrased it in the form of a question.
batigol47 2 years ago
"You were denied because your evidence does not support your assertion. The science says you are incorrect."
Don't tell me what the science says. The special master was so compelled by my case as to hear it case twice. My CYA, Chicken Shit, doctors could have been there for me, but nobody wanted to have the GP look as if her advice was the reason I was suffering.
Some doctors have no backbone.
SharMess 2 years ago
As a result of that tetanus shot, I have far more pain than anyone I know with MS. Nobody lives with the neuropathy I do. That is the reason for the subtantial amount of Gabapentin, which has also caused me to gain 30 lbs in the past 1 and 1/2 years.
I am not a drug taker, at least I wasn't prior to all of this.
And to have mainstream dump it all in my lap is an absolute travesty.
I will NEVER TRUST THE mainstream #@%&*$# again. I see a doctor, but he's an "out of the box" guy.
SharMess 2 years ago
Consider yourself lucky, Gabapentin put 30 pounds on me in 3 months.
To state that no one lives in the pain you do is asinine. There are ALWAYS people who have it worse.
batigol47 2 years ago
I mean nobody I know that has MS has the kind of neuropathic pain I do. They don't even now hat I'm talking about.
Which leads me right back to the tetaus shot that caused this neuropathc pain. I WORK OUT daily on machines, so I suppose this explains the slower weight gain for me. I have had to adjust my food intake, as well, to stem this tide of gain & try to turn this around.
Knowing there are people who are worse off isn't really much of a comfort, when you hurt this bad.
SharMess 2 years ago
I was in PT several times weekly at the time, but I also was athletic and trim prior to, so it was still significant change. I was also in my late twenties so my metabolism was likely changing in that period anyway.
Trust that I know what chronic pain does to a persons mentality.
batigol47 2 years ago
VICP special master wanted to rule in my favor, due to the compelling evidence that I presented, BUT neither my GP nor my neuro would back me up and THAT WAS THE TIPPING POINT for her decision to rule against. She said if there had have been even 1 doctor.
My doctors were CYA types that would NOT budge on a tetanus shot being able to cause harm.
SharMess 2 years ago
They would not back you up because the science doesn't back you up. It really is that simple. Of course they want to rule in your favor, because no one wants to watch someone suffer. Her job however, is not to rule on feelings but on evidence, and fact is the science has repeatedly demonstrated that assertion to be invalid.
batigol47 2 years ago
Again, in the special master's own words, she said she was compelled by the evidence - not by her feelings.
I know of a few other cases that are nearly exactly like mine. Some prevailed and others lost. All had the same evidence, with the same dibilitating symptoms. The difference was the SUPPORT and BACK UP of the doctors. With doctors to help you, you can't win. Those who had their doctor's support prevailed.
There is no science in to this....it's called POLITICS.
SharMess 2 years ago
mis-spelling: change to read "Without doctors to help you, you can't win." :-) Lots of typos I know, but my pinky hasn't worked for typing in years (I type with 6 fingers). My hands are quite numb, but they still work at least, and for that I'm grateful. Plus, all that gabapentin and baclofen cloud my brain quite a bit. it's difficult to ALL see the typos before I send the post
SharMess 2 years ago
Exactly and the evidence said you had no case. You could not find a single doctor, not even your own, that supported your cause. The researchers didn't either. You are right, you cannot win without a doctor's help for good reason, because that is how science works. You have to have evidence. Politics has nothing to do with it, otherwise they would never have ruled in the one patient's favor concerning the Hep vax causing MS (despite the contrary evidence). Plausible does not mean valid.
batigol47 2 years ago
Again, when the symptoms I experienced were THE EXACT SAME as that of many others who have won their VICP claims (that did have their doctor's support). My doctor didn't want to get involved and insisted my symptoms were just a coincidence. You can't call this science. It's pseudo science, at best. It's also POLITICS.
My vaccine injury attorney, having won a number of VICP cases, was convinced we would prevail, because of compelling EVIDENCE despite not having my own doctors.
SharMess 2 years ago
Your lawyer sounds like it might be one of the problem ones, preying on people who are suffering. Where did you get said lawyer?
If it was not, the lawyer would have made sure that there were doctors who would speak to your case BEFORE proceeding.
batigol47 2 years ago 3
You are ALWAYS looking to put a negative SPIN and discredit. Why is THAT? Could it be that you KNOW how low and deceitful your industry REALLY is? And, thus, everyone else has an ugly agenda as well?
Her name is Sylvia Chin-Caplan, again suppliedy by DHHS
SharMess 2 years ago
Bat,
Over a billion dollars has been paid from the vaccine injury compensation fund, for autism, MS and a score of other illnesses.
After many years of attempting to have earnest conversations with people like you, who refuse to look at the case for vaccine injury, I have had enough.
You are not earnest.
It is clear from this conversation that you just want to badger a sick woman. So I am going to go ahead and block you as a user of this thread.
Shar, feel free to write what ever you want.
morepuppies 2 years ago
You may be interested in knowing that my vaccine attorny also had a case where a woman was compelled by her employer (a school) to take a tetanus shot if she wanted to teach. She agreed to take the shot, and immediately began presenting with the same symptoms as me. She went on to become disabled and eventually won her VICP claim.
SharMess 2 years ago
What is this person's name. It is a matter of public record, and I have never read of any tetanus vaccine MS claims being awarded.
batigol47 2 years ago
My psychiatrist calls this CYA.
Cover your ass.
SharMess 2 years ago
All physicians CYA, including your shrink. They cannot afford not to in the litigious society we live in. For instance, if you say you think of hurting yourself in her presence, no matter how flippantly, she is obligated to note it and follow up with procedure, whether that be calling crisis team, police or whatever.
batigol47 2 years ago
"10% of all MS patients lose the ability to walk within 10 years. 25% within 15."
That leaves 75% of MS patients, who don't lose their ability to walk - unless they too meet up WITH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGER, such as a TETNUS SHOT.
But then again, mainstream medicine will just fall back on the old addage, "Well you were going to get worse anyway, it was just a matter of time".
"Why wait? Why not take away as much health as possible from this person, while there's still SOME left?"
SharMess 2 years ago
The point is that your case is far from unusual. You fit into an already established subgroup without the need of tetanus vaccine as a trigger.
The research has shown repeatedly, from different sources that tetanus vaccine is not a trigger.
batigol47 2 years ago
Are you purposely mis-reading my posts? AND ARE YOU ALSO NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE ZOLOFT WAS IN STRENGHTS 3 TIMES TO STRONG? WHAT DO YOU THNG THIS WOULD DO TO YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM IF YOU STOPPED TAKING IT?
Again, exacebation # 1 (it's not called a relapse) began with sesation of BAD ZOLOFT (SOMETHING I SHOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN TO BEGIN WITH).
SharMess 2 years ago
I know what drugs do when you quit them cold turkey. I suffer neuropathy from a damaged ankle and a post surgical complication, and I have dealt with it for almost 6 years now.
Exacerbation means to make worse, which means the zoloft was not making it worse. Cessation means to stop. Caps do not help your case, and your spelling and determination not to read the drug information sheet undermines confidence in your ability to properly research and draw unbiased evidential conclusions.
batigol47 2 years ago
What all of this has done, and EPECIALLY after our dialogue is reinforced my understanding how mainstream medicine is simply a practice for huge profit, laying waste to whoever stands in its way. It will swallow you in an instant, and then tell your loved ones, "Well she wasn't worth having around as a normal person, it was going to happen anyway."
The entire system is fraught with crooks, frauds and phonies fighting to keep rich.
Guardisil is another piece of crap vaccine!
SharMess 2 years ago
There is corruption in any industry, but ask yourself why the Holistic practitioners, which are relatively few and make huge profits while giving no scientific evidence are any less if not more corrupt?
batigol47 2 years ago
"Holistic companies more corrupt?" Where is your proof? I don't hear of massive harm and life altering conditions as a result of that.
Profit is a good thing, when done for the right reasons.
SharMess 2 years ago
I asked you a question. Why do you think they would be any less corrupt? The evidence against the industry is all over the place if you look at the case law.
It also presents what is called "opportunity cost". Seeking holistic treatment may cost vital time for medical treatment. A disease could progress past the point of no return in a short period of time.
batigol47 2 years ago
"You haven't shown that the Zoloft caused any problems. Contrary, it seems to have worked, as you did not relapse until you QUIT taking it."
You are CHOOSING to be a TYPICAL MAINSTREAM PROPONENT - IN DENIAL AND WHY I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR IT.
Firstly, it was over 13 years ago! What drugs would I have had experience with to taper off from?
Who said AN OVERDOSE OF ZOLOFT WAS WORKING WELL? It made me lethargic and sleep 12 hours a day. That was NOT WORKING AT ALL. Again YOU ARE IN DENIAL.
SharMess 2 years ago
You were not suffering the MS symptoms, as you said that the relapse occurred after you quit taking it. I am merely following the information you give me. Being sedated is, unfortunately a side effect of Zoloft, but that has nothing to do with its efficacy in treating what it is supposed to. That sedation level is one of the reasons that lower dosages are now recommended to begin with.
You were an adult thirteen years ago and you know how to read.
The only person in denial is you.
batigol47 2 years ago
"The only person in denial is you". I am NOT in denial, Pal, else I'd never have disclosed all this to an absolute STRANGER on a Youtube site. I freely gave you as much information as I can remember.
I didn't blame the GP. I thought I'd read all the directions thoroughly and I do not remember reading anythng about a tapper and GP never mentioned anything either. Your're right, that's a horse on me.
But YOU do know very well that a tetanus shot can cause the CNS pain I now live with.
SharMess 2 years ago
You are in denial. You have stated that you deny the research. That is denial.
I have nothing against you, and I am not interested in hurting you or your case. If anything I am trying to help you recognize the reality of the situation. Fact is that even if it was a trigger, which the evidence says it is not, it does not change your current situation and your focus should be on research into ameliorating the condition rather than laying blame.
batigol47 2 years ago
You do realize that there are individuals that should not receive vaccinations? You acknowledge VICP exists for this reason?
The symptoms I live with are the same as it is for some of those individuals who have prevailed in their action under VICP.
SharMess 2 years ago
There certainly are people who should not receive them, but that is NOT why VICP exists. VICP exists for the people who have unpredicted reactions, people that gave no indication that they should not be vaccinated. In retrospect they should not have received them, but retrospect does not help. VICP exists to take care of those who suffered those rare effects without undermining the general public health. Those that shouldn't receive vaxes are protected by the majority getting them.
batigol47 2 years ago
The only thing I take issue with is that you are here promoting that kids should not get vaccines based on information that does not hold up to any critical examination. in other words, you are free to believe what you will, but spreading that belief draws in the value to the general public which requires a response. I applaud you for being willing to give the facts as best you remember them, but those facts do not add up to your conclusion.
batigol47 2 years ago
"And those studies are being done by a for profit company."
Profit is a good thing. I owned a business for 28 years, before giving it up to disability.
I am against the fraud and the bilking of Medicare and Medicaid which is EXTENSIVE. I agree the insurance companies are guilty of fraud and also need to be taken to task.
I know you don't believe in God, but .....
My father used to say, "God helps those that help themselves, but God help those that help themselves to too much."
SharMess 2 years ago
Then it should matter to you that vaccines are a low profit product for drug companies. There is not much value in being corrupt about them.
They make most of their money on the treatments that you are still taking.
batigol47 2 years ago
Vaccines are a 19 billion dollar a year industry. Drug makers brag to investors about how much their vax lines are making, then turn to the consumer and say they are making nothing on vaccines.
Think Merck - Gardasil.
I have written on this. Some have suggested it is time to investigate them because they are either lying to their customers or their investors.
morepuppies 2 years ago
19 billion dollars is not big money for as many corporations are involved. Pfizer alone made in the area of 10billion last year and the fine levied against them last week was 2.3 billion. That is net profit, not gross, which is the 19 billion figure you state. Vaccines are expensive to produce and do not have high turn over. The gardasil vaccine is new and thus there is a jump in initial profits which is why they fight for patents, because long term they disappear.
batigol47 2 years ago
19 billion dollars is a lot of money. Especially for a product line for which you cannot be held liable for any damages which arise from said product line. Especially when you don't even have to advertise them because governments force the public to buy them. And of course everyone in the military gets every shot.
After the 1985 vaccine injury act, corporations poured money into RnD for for vaccines and there are at least 100 vaccines coming through the pipeline soon.
morepuppies 2 years ago
Add to that the widespread damage that they do. Autoimmune and neurological disorders are skyrocketing. Pharma gets to make money making the mess, then make money when people spend the rest of their lives dependent on their products to treat the damage.
Mo money, mo money, mo money.
morepuppies 2 years ago
Except you are taking leaps that vaccines are behind any of these disorders. There is no evidence that they are and substantial evidence that they are not.
We are talking about vaccines here, which are, again, and underwhelming percentage of pharma profits The money is in little blue pills and hair loss.
batigol47 2 years ago
They can still be held liable for any number of things: false marketing, faked research, production errors, etc. The only thing they are not held liable for is unforeseen medical complications, because they happen and it is entirely unavoidable.
batigol47 2 years ago
Lower profit for vaccines compared to treatments, is NOT NO PROFIT.
Up to 3333% mark up on treatments is beyond obscene, IMHO, and WHY I have no respect for the greedy pharmaceuticals.
I'd like to see "how low" this profit is for the pharmeceuticals. I'm sure it still amounts to obscene profits. Especially when they help themselves to taxpayer dollars to create these things ridiculous things. Swine flu shot being another huge crime against the sheeple.
SharMess 2 years ago
According to WHO, vaccines are less than 2% of the pharma business. There are only a handful of companies that can afford to make them. The smaller producers have been driven out of business in no small part due to litigation which even when entirely unfounded costs them substantial sums, in turn raising market prices and cutting supply. the vaccine court was established precisely because the vaccines had become so unprofitable that all but one company had quit making the diptheria vaccine.
batigol47 2 years ago
"It covers all the doctors, nurses, support staff, insurance and so on. These people are not all on the same page and to suggest that it is all one big conspiracy is ludicrous."
Please, isn't this patently OBVIOUS? I've been dealing with this for over 13 years, and I think I've figured this out.
SharMess 2 years ago
The point being that your statement about 20% is misleading. The biggest expense is health insurance, and it is the most fraudulent industry in the country with the possible exception of debt collection.
batigol47 2 years ago
The GP INSISTED I needed a routine tetanus shot (I never had any injury) and when I asked her questions about it's potential to make my MS worse, she SNAPPED AT ME, saying, "I've never heard of such a thing."
In that moment, I gave up my power to the GP and forgot what I had read in Judy Graham's book and the clinical trials in England and Europe.
It was when I was getting into my car to go home from the GP's office that I began to feel tightness in my jaw and neck.
SharMess 2 years ago
When Ms. Graham wrote her book in 1984, that was a legitimate thesis. It has since been studied and found to have no merit. The same scenario with vaccines/autism. The studies have been done and what was a potential answer turned out not to be one. Part of being scientific is recognizing that things do not always work the way you hoped and adjusting when they don't.
batigol47 2 years ago
You saying her thesis has"no merit" is incorrect. In fact her dietary plans, as are Dr Swank's, are now regularly featured in ALL the MS publications (which I receive). The publications tell how many people report improvement of symptoms after following the diet.
Nobody is saying that it will cure MS, but it certaintly helped me achieve remission and I KNOW I would have remained there were it not for the tetanus shot of '99
SharMess 2 years ago
Her thesis regarding vaccines, which was not solely hers but that of many scientists 20 years ago, has been shown scientifically to have no merit. I am not saying that all of the suggestions she makes on how you can help yourself are invalid.
You still haven't answered my question. Would you take the Neurovax if it promised a cure? Ironic thing here is that its development has been delayed because the company went bankrupt due to the low profit margins on vaccines...
batigol47 2 years ago
If it promised a cure? I would take it, absolutely!
SharMess 2 years ago
You already said that you would never take another vaccine though. And those studies are being done by a for profit company.
Before you get your hopes up though, remember that the vax is stuck in phase II trials (phase I was something like 92% effective) because they ran out of funding.
batigol47 2 years ago
My hopes are NOT up. And I would only try after the safty and efficacy has been firmly estabished.
SharMess 2 years ago
BTW, the studies you speak of I dismiss entirely. Who funds these studies? Who conducts these studies? Who stands to benefit financially on the outcome?
I won't be dictated to by the health care system, a system that sells things they DON'T GURANTEE.
Another reason for my disability is because I had a menisectomy in my right knee in '77. Surgeon said he was going to repair meniscus with a new proceedure. No mention about its removal. As a result, I need a new knee
SharMess 2 years ago
BTW I am a very up beat, and happy person and should have NEVER been given SSRI's.
"You had already been diagnosed, and it was always going to get worse."
This statement is absolutely wrong. I know people with MS who have NEVER gotten worse. The have had it for over 20 years and still work - they never became disabled.
I remained in remission (working and carrying on with my life - taking extra good care of myself) until I visited that same GP in early 1999.
SharMess 2 years ago
After only three years from the initial diagnosis, which again had to have been presenting beforehand, you had a relapse. No matter what the trigger that means you had relapsing MS, so there is absolutely no way for you to know that you would have been fine. 10% of all MS patients lose the ability to walk within 10 years. 25% within 15. Your unfortunate situation does not change the science. I hope you feel better and that it goes into remission again, but that does not change the origin.
batigol47 2 years ago
"No matter what the trigger" is the OUT used by mainstream medicine to absolve itself from ANY responsibility.
You can't know how much quality time I would have had? It's ridiculous and self serving to say, "Oh you were going to get worse, so it doesn't matter if we give you a push".
You're also not taking into account that a tetanus shot can be very harmful to the CNS. My CNS developed neuropathy that I did not have beforehand.
The tetanus shot altered my course and did major harm.
SharMess 2 years ago
The point is that you do not know, and the trigger you claim has been shown repeatedly not to be a trigger by multiple sources which you dismiss because you do not like their answers. Who sponsors Harvard's school of Public health that you do not approve of specifically? Don't you realize these same studies are the ones that gave you the diagnosis? Why do you believe their diagnostics that far?
To repair meniscus you have to remove the damaged part of it. I have had it done myself.
batigol47 2 years ago
"After only three years from the initial diagnosis, which again had to have been presenting beforehand, you had a relapse."
The diagnosis came 2 1/2 months into initial relapse which began upon discontinuing the OVERDOSE OF ZOLOFT, which did something terrible to my nervous system. I don't understand why mainstream medicine is NOT sympathic to this,. Doctor gives a patient something that is found to be NOT good for them but it's the patient's fault because they didnt' read the fine print?
SharMess 2 years ago
You really should know better than to quit maintenance drugs cold turkey, and the information is certainly on the package. You are worried about things in vaccines that are negligible, but aren't paying attention to the given information. That doesn't make sense does it?
You haven't shown that the Zoloft caused any problems. Contrary, it seems to have worked, as you did not relapse until you QUIT taking it. People still take that amount, they just do not usually start at it, like tylenol.
batigol47 2 years ago
continued......
BTW, I don't place ANY stock in what studies have shown between MS and vaccines. Vaccines make BIG MONEY FOR IMMORAL COMPANIES who commit fraud and cheat whenever possible. And the government is NOT the good guy in all of this either.
Anyway, after 3 weeks of no sleep I was sent to a neurologist for lots of testing and ultimately dx'd with MS. Doctor would make no comment on the Zoloft or flu shot.
I believe I was pre-disposed and either one or both were the trigger.
SharMess 2 years ago
You just said you do not believe in the science. Vaccines are not big money makers for the pharmaceutical companies. The painkillers and muscle relaxers you take are. There is far more money in treating disease than there is in preventing it.
A trigger is not a cause and that is a HUGE difference. You would get MS no matter what it was just a matter of time.
batigol47 2 years ago
There is plenty of BIG MONEY for Big Pharma in vaccines and BILLIONS OF STIMILUS TAX DOLLARS FOR SWINE FLU!.
Who is it up to, to determine how much time I had before I might be diagnosed with MS? You are saying that the quality time (however long that might be) has no value? It might have been 5, 10, 20 years. Don't excuse doctors or big pharma who play GOD? Had I never had the Zoloft poisoning or vaccinations I believe my legs would still be working.
SharMess 2 years ago
You said that your MS was in remission after diagnosis, so you cannot claim that you would still be walking. You had already been diagnosed, and it was always going to get worse.
You failed to respond to the fact that you had symptoms that led to Zoloft being prescribed which were already signs of your MS. You simply did not know that yet. You said the condition was worse when you went off it, which suggests that you were depressed/stressed and that it did help to stem the symptoms.
batigol47 2 years ago
There were no symptoms that led to the Zoloft other than the GP INSISTING I was depressed. GP asked me questions about my marriage and when she found out I was in an unhappy marriage she asked if I'd ever had suicidal thoughts. The moment I said, "I had", she said, "Oh you're depressed.", and whipped out the Zoloft samples and prescription. I'm sorry, she was NOT qualified to make this determination. She was far too anxious to sell me the Zoloft and win her trip to Acapulco.
SharMess 2 years ago
My psychiatrist says the GP was not qualified. EVERYONE has had thoughts of suicide -EVERYONE. It takes much more thorough, in-depth, examination to determine if someone is truly depressed and really in need of these mind altering SSRI's. And the Zoloft of 1995 was an unsafe drug. The GP was a GP with a little information and THAT was a dangerous thing. It's a disgrace that DRUG PUSHERS are the ones who do the educating of the doctors to their drug lines. Docs know what the peddlers say.
SharMess 2 years ago
"You said that your MS was in remission after diagnosis, so you cannot claim that you would still be walking. You had already been diagnosed, and it was always going to get worse."
I don't understand what you're getting at with these two sentences, but, I'll try and set you straight.
A course of MS is NOT the same for all individuals. Are you not aware of "benign MS"? The individual experiences a single attack and NEVER sees another DOES NOT ever go on to become disabled.
SharMess 2 years ago
I am well aware of the patterns of MS. The point is that you had the symptoms prior to diagnosis, hence they made it and there is no way of knowing how it would have progressed. Benign MS doesn't mean they are never disabled, it means there are no deficits between attacks. There is a distinct difference. That stated, you case is quite obviously not benign. You are a woman over thirty in the UK, if you are Scottish it would make you the most likely subgroup in the world to get relapsing MS.
batigol47 2 years ago
It's obvious you do not understand the nature of MS.
Why would I not be walking after an initial MS diagnosis, that was made in early '96 after my ONE AND ONLY flu shot and an OVERDOSING of of Zoloft?
Are you not familiar with the term "remission"? Remission was my goal and I worked hard to acheive it. Remission meant I was working full time and performing in my two bands as the lead singer and bass player. I cut back on
the amount of work, and the symptoms were greatly reduced.
SharMess 2 years ago
You said symptoms were made worse by NOT being on Zoloft.
batigol47 2 years ago
Many of the original debilitating symptoms leading to the diagnosis had disappeared entirely! I was following all the instructions by Judy Graham, who wrote a fabulous book on MS management. She was married to a doctor and lives in England. Being involved in a number of clinical trials she was a wealth of information and helped me gain my remission. She was EMPHATIC about staying away from vaccines due to the number of MS cases that had been reported after a vaccination.
SharMess 2 years ago
Well, it's late...got to turn in. It was nice talking with you SharMess. Have a good night.
Lorra41 2 years ago
It WAS nice, Lorra41! You have a good night too!!!
SharMess 2 years ago
Ignore him. The only time I ever got the flu is when I too was overworked and overtired, and wasn't taking my vitamins. If you eat healthy,exercise, get plenty of rest, and take multiple vitamins, you'll fare much better, and you won't need a vitamin B shot.
Lorra41 2 years ago
Vitamin B is probably the most important vitamin in the mix that people miss, particularly women. It is poorly absorbed in pill form as well.
batigol47 2 years ago
Yeah, what a coincidence. Baxter must have psychics working for them. They use scare tactics to get more than willing to roll up our sleeves. Watch, soon you'll hear that it's much more deadly than they thought. They'll probably show Obama's children getting their shots on TV. Obama has invested heavlied in Baxter.
Lorra41 2 years ago
That's the whole problem with pharmaceuticals and government. SLEEPING WITH EACH OTHER is a long time, conflict of intrest, problem. Fortunes to be made for individuals employed in the government with inside information. That's why congress rarely "gets things done".
I'm reading the book, "Culture of Corruption" by Michelle Malkin. Wow! The Obama's have had their hands in and have been manipulating the medical system for years. I'm learning about how they came into all their money! Wow!
SharMess 2 years ago
Pfizer was fined $2.3 billion last week by the government. That is more than a slap on the wrist to any company; an entire quarters' profits.
As for Michelle Malkin, if you are looking for hypocrites, look no further.
Congress rarely gets things done because that is how representative democracy works. Perhaps you would prefer fascism? There is a distinct irony to so many people knowing so little about government.
batigol47 2 years ago
We're not talking about Pfizer. "An entire quarter's profits!" It still leaves them with
SharMess 2 years ago
Still leaves Pfizer with BILLIONS AND BILLIONS
SharMess 2 years ago
That's right. Do you know that Baxter won't be held liable if the Swine Flu vaccination causes harm or death to anyone? Also, do you know that Bayer and Baxter knowingly injected people with vaccinations that contained HIV?
Lorra41 2 years ago
Now I know you haven't done your research. You are obviously referring to the Factor VIII contamination in the early 80's. There was no test for HIV at that time and Factor VIII is not a vaccine.
batigol47 2 years ago 2
An entire quarters' profits is huge in the operation of a large corporation. I think you have no idea how they work financially. They do not simply have cash laying around. Capital is reinvested quarterly. The company is public and when they don't make money they lose investors, which further hurts their capital which limits their production, which limits their investors and so on. Pfizer is not one person or even a couple.
batigol47 2 years ago
How could government ignore this? It was the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind ever.
Although the investigation began and largely ended during the Bush administration, top Obama administration officials held a news conference on Wednesday to celebrate the settlement, thank each other for resolving it and promise more crackdowns on health fraud.
SharMess 2 years ago
Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.
Lorra41 2 years ago
What did the government ignore? They are the ones that fined Pfizer. They held a conference to announce it and say they will follow them even closer and you claim they are ignoring it...that makes no sense at all.
batigol47 2 years ago
I didn't say they ignored anythng. I said, "How could the government ignore this?".
BTW, I was dx'd with MS after a flu shot in '95 and a simultaneous, 6 weeks dosing, of Zoloft which the GP, at the time, insisted I needed. After discontinuing the Zoloft the MS exacerbation began. A long ordeal, but I got to remission.
It was three years afterward in '99 when same GP insisted giving tetanus shot that another attack began, as I was leaving the office. This attack disabled me.
SharMess 2 years ago
I'm sorry you are going to need to clarify your statement. are you saying the government couldn't ignore their own rules when their own investigations turned up violations? What sense does that make? They could have ignored it as long as they wanted. They didn't. And before you said it wasn't a big deal, so which is it? Too big to ignore or no big deal?
So now Zoloft and the Flu vaccine gave you MS? Then, going off zoloft made it worsen? What do you mean by attack?
batigol47 2 years ago
I'm saying violations were so blatant that the government could hardly ignore it, even if they wanted to. It was just a snide remark.
I told you this is a long story. I've written a 10 page word document explaining it. So bear with me and keep StumpyOuch's comments on a leash.
I got a flu shot and was given a 6 weeks sample pack of Zoloft. My doctor, who I was seeing for the 1st time, was pushing it at the time. I wasn't depressed, she just said I was, base on a few questions.
SharMess 2 years ago
So you still need to address how the government is complicit with "big pharma" based on that evidence.
I have no control over what my wife says. I am not from Saudi Arabia.
batigol47 2 years ago
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I took the Zoloft for 6 weeks and could not see the point of taking something that made me want to sleep all the time. When I missed the first dose (after the 6 weeks) , I could not sleep that night or for the next 3 weeks. I felt all kinds of jabs and itches throughout my torso all night long. I got no REM sleep and was stil getting up each day for work. Several days into not taking the Zoloft, my torso, arms and hands went numb. My hands were cold and I lost use of them.
SharMess 2 years ago
So what you are saying is that the Zoloft worked. You also are not supposed to quit taking it cold turkey or things like insomnia and jitteriness will occur, which would only add further stress, which is known to increase MS issues.
batigol47 2 years ago
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Zoloft was a mistake as was the flu shot. She pushed an antidpressent on me because a slick, pharmaceutical salesman was pushing this new drug and she had lots of "free" sample packs to hand out along with a prescription I was NOT depressed and she was not a psychiatrist. I do have a psychiatrist, who says those sample packs given out in 1995 were 4 times stronger than the zoloft that was ultimately re-formulated to. He says I was given an over dosing.
SharMess 2 years ago
So you believe the studies that said it should be reformulated? GPs can make initial psych diagnoses. While I agree that those are overprescribed & I do not agree with the methods used by the marketers, they do work for people with psychiatric symptoms which yours very well could have been. You say you were NOT diagnosed MS then and they would NOT have given you the Z. for no reason, so you had to have had some symptoms of the MS already. As for dose, all the more reason not to quit cold turkey.
batigol47 2 years ago
You think the GP gave me any info about not quitting cold turkey? She gave nothing like that. Some doctors know a little information and it is truly a dangerous thing. They turn around and harm their unwitting patients. I am not a doctor. I don't know of any studies pertaining to reformulating Zoloft. I only know what my psychiatrist told me (recently) about the initial dosage being too strong and he said I was poisoned.
The GP asked me some questions and decided that I was depressed.
SharMess 2 years ago
That information is printed on the samples.
batigol47 2 years ago
Side effect information may be printed on the lables (in the smallest print possible, readable ONLY with a magnifying glass), but sample dosages in '95 were 75% stronger, than today's formulation and had NOT BEEN PROPERLY TESTED. I was, in fact, a guineau pig for Big Pharma's newest hopeful in thier cavalcade of stars. I don't understand how you can make excuses for these underhanded practices. If the dosages had been proper from the start, this tragedy could have been averted.
SharMess 2 years ago
The health care industry is 20% of the US economy. I understand you feel the need to "protect" it from. You have not stated your credentials, not to me anyway. There is NOTHING you can say to me to undo the harm that has been done to me. Every single one of us that has had a vaccination hurt us KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt what has happened. The pharmaceutical industry and the government are fraught with corruption, cover ups and greed. You'd see differently if you were in my shoes.
SharMess 2 years ago
The health care industry is not comprised entirely of vaccine or even pharmaceutical companies. It covers all the doctors, nurses, support staff, insurance and so on. These people are not all on the same page and to suggest that it is all one big conspiracy is ludicrous.
You only "know" what someone else told you. You have chosen to accept the information that gives you someone to blame and refuse to look at it critically while disregarding the myriad proven answers that don't.
batigol47 2 years ago
For the record, my background is Special Education and I have zero ties to any pharmacy doctor or company. I have however seen what happens to kids with complications from Hib, Rotavirus, measles, chicken pox and scarlet fever, all of which are preventable. You are spreading information which is disingenuous and dangerous.
Again I ask, would you refuse the MS vaccine?
batigol47 2 years ago
What good would an MS vaccine do for me at this stage? How well tested is it? There are so many MS trials going on...I'd take the wait and see approach.
I also know two people with MS that had the the stem cell transplant and both died. I'm leary of medicine.
I don't like what they've done to me and will take no responsibility!
AN OVERDOSE OF ZOLOFT??? A tetanus shot that took away what I had left disabling me? How can you ask me to trust this cowardly system?
SharMess 2 years ago
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Since my GP and neurologist turned their backs, I found a neurologist, who was angered that I was treated so badly. He questioned the GP's insistance of a tetanus shot with someone with MS. He said "no one can claim what has happened" to me was not related to the shot, because NOBODY knows for sure. There have not been enough tests, MS is too complicated and he agreed that I had not received good medical care. He said he would not have advised any vaccines for me.
SharMess 2 years ago
No one did know for sure 10 years ago. Since then several studies have shown that there is no causal connection between vaccines and MS.
the irony is that there is a vaccine in trial for MS as we speak. You use medical treatments as we speak, will you not get that treatment if it proves as promising as it has to this point?
batigol47 2 years ago
Nothing surprises me anymore. We've been manipulated and lied to for years. My family and I, will never receieve another vaccination again. The best protection against any flu is, vitamin D. Check into it, you'll see.
Lorra41 2 years ago
That is simply not true. Vitamin D is important to your health, but it will not prevent you from getting flu, and once you have it there are a myriad of possibilities to how virulent it could be.
batigol47 2 years ago
I've had the flu twice in my entire life and I was over worked, running on lack of sleep, in at very low point emotionally and extremely run down. I take loads of vitamins daily, including C and D. IT WORKS! NO VACCINES WILL EVER PENETRATE my skin again! Let the fools take have our share.
SharMess 2 years ago
That's right. Vitamin D is great. If your interested, check out my favorites. I have tons of info regarding all that we've talked about.
Lorra41 2 years ago
Now, what if you need vitamin b shots?
Your being overworked and stressed is hardly novel. Fact is it was exposure to the bug that got you sick. Surely those weren't the only two times you have ever been stressed. Certainly isn't the case from your previous posts.
batigol47 2 years ago 2
I'm saying it's the two times in my life that exposure to flu virus overwhelmed me. I have a strong immune system. I lived with a smoker for 17 years, who got the flu every year. When I got it, I knew it was because I was too weak to fight it off. I had NOT been taking the usual good care of myself and the bugs got the best of me. I need my sleep, raw foods and vitamins!!
I have been around peple with the flu a lot and I don't catch it.
SharMess 2 years ago
I think you are confusing the Flu with the common cold.
batigol47 2 years ago
What are you talking about?
batigol47 2 years ago
You don't have all the facts regarding my disability. I began telling them to previously, but decided to discontinue because of all the nasty insults being hurled at me. I will not discuss anything if there are insults being thrown at me. I am very respectful to others and do not use ad hominum as a tactic. I have my facts. My story is more than a few words can describe here in these message boxes. May I ask what are your credentials that you give medical advice to people?
SharMess 2 years ago
oppps, I mis-spelled ad hominem
... Ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.
SharMess 2 years ago
I havent provided any ad hominem, and ad hominem is not "circumstantial".
First I tell no one to do anything that isn't recommended by the CDC, meaning my credentials are irrelevant. Further, what difference does it make to you? You do not listen to the people with credentials who have given you a diagnosis and told you that your disease was not caused by a vaccine. That isn't an ad hominem statement, it's what you have said previously and entirely relevant to your interpretation of information.
batigol47 2 years ago
Your friend StumpOuch said plenty of childish, hurtful, nasty, irrelevant and STOOOOOOOOOPID things to say. And you made your share of condecending remarks. Again, you do NOT understand my ENTIRE history. A few paragraphs do not say EVERYTHING, yet you draw conclusions based on the small snapshopt. I was trying to tell the whole story, but you kept interjecting with your conclusions, before you HEARD IT ALL.
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