I saw this movie in social study's!! I loved it but it was sad:( Davy Crockett was the best I loved him!!! I really wish he had survived the real thing:'(
Travis was utterly fearless, utterly committed to what he believed, a great writer, and yes he had his marriage problems, and if he had to do it over he probably would wish he had done it differently, but he was a driven man and great leader, and would have probably been president of Texas had he lived, as has been said.
Sam Houston was a great statesman (with admitted flaws), Rep. David Crockett was a politician of principle who did not hesitate to split with his political patron (Pres. Jackson) on the slavery issue. But William Barret Travis was an absolute punk. Yes, he rose to the occasion when it mattered, but he should be remembered as more of a teenage delinquent with a law degree than an American military hero.
Travis was a young man with more energy than he rightly know what to do with, however, the Powers That Be used him to ignite the revolution and hold the Alamo together.
@AOZXRAY Travis was utterly fearless, utterly committed to what he believed, a great writer, and yes he had his marriage problems, and if he had to do it over he probably would wish he had done it differently, but he was a driven man and great leader, and would have probably been president of Texas had he lived, as has been said.
El karma amigos Tejanos, ustedes decidieron independizarse de México y unirse a los EUA, ahora después de aquel acto predador, los mexicanos volvemos a ocupar aquel territorio que era nuestro. El que rie al último rie mejor
to my knowledge in the first 24 hours of the assault the Texans didn't suffer a single loss. the whole fight cost dearly yet no man flinched under the strain it must have caused to stay and fight. truly they were men strive to be as good of a man as they were
Im gonna get so much shit for this joke but I dont care its funny,What did Davy Crockett say to William Travis when the Mexicans came to the Alamo? I didnt know we pooring concreteXD
sad that they died for freedom yet today texas gave in to blackmail from washington and now will allow TSA to molest travellers on planes. what did they die for then ?
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esta pelicula son mamadas esta pelicula the alamo es una burla y un pretexto por el cual eu le declaro la guerra a mexico todos los mexicanos unidos contra esos hijos de su reputamadre de los estanidences mamones q son inferiores a los rusos y solo pueden con paises pequeños y q intentan sobresalir para evitarlo de declaran la guerra si existe dios el dia del juisio final no admitira a esos putos de los estaunidences
Let us be clear. The flag over the Alamo was MEXICAN -- 1824. This was MEXICANS, fighting the OVER-THROW of that constitution that the swore allegence to. They were fighting against SantaAnna who, as a dictator, trashed the 1824 constitution, and then choose to disam the citizens choose to fight for the constitution.
@BetaArtemis- it was a nothing more than a land grab and an attempt to expand slavery which was illegal in Mexico at that particular time. Although Santa Anna's tactics were juvinile and unpopular even by his own staff, he was fighting to preserve Mexico before the Anglos took it over-but the Anglos suceeded. And David Crockett died trying to bargain for his life,but in the end Santa Anna didn't spare him. Much information is being brought to life about this interesting subject.
@jammerstud99 I've studied this interesting subject probably alot longer than you have. First of all Davy Crockett never tried to bargain for his life. Secondly, The Mexicans encouraged the Anglo's to settle in Texas. The Texas Revolution began when Santa Anna started taking away tHeir rights which basically accumulated to him essentially tearing up tHe constitution of 1824. The Texans were justified in their fight.
@Itsmeagain9145 I never said Santa Anna was a nice guy even his own government (which were broke at that time, didnt like his tactics so well. Mexico never forced the Anglos to come to America they were welcomed as long as they followed Mexican law which clearly stated that there was no slavery allowed at all. And there are written accounts which support the fact that David Crockett was brutaly excecuted with swords after trying to bargain for his life.
@jammerstud99 Just wanted to add that there is nobody really knows what happened to Davy Crockett as tHeir were conflicting reports. However, just because of the possibility exists he may have been captured does not mean he begged for his life.
@Itsmeagain9145 There written accounts such as diaries from officers such as General Castrillon and Col De la Pena who both tried to sway Santa Anna's decision in excecuting Crockett and 14 other anglos after surrendering. After all its well known that Santa Anna himself was spared at the Battle of San Jacinto (while bargaining for his life) by Sam Houston which was very ironic. This action even angered the Mexican army because it displayed cowardness on Santa Anna' s part.
@jammerstud99 that's what I was referring to. there was no conclusive proof. There are conflicting reports from people. Regardless he didn't "beg for his life" I know Santa Anna was begging for his life.
Most of the Alamo defenders ran out of the eastern wall where they were cut down by the Vera Cruz Lancers. All of this Alamo crap is mostly racist fiction. Those bastard slave owners deserved to die.
I'm hardly an expert on the history of this battle but if you know anything it would surprise me. The men you refer to were hardly running away but I see little point in discussing anything remotely historical with you. I suggest reading instead of making it up as you go along.
Hah, finally a thinking person! I suggest that you read Exodus from the Alamo: The Anatomy of the Last Stand Myth. I am not making up anything. It is a well-reserached book by Dr. Phillip Tucker--No joke. He is a military historian. This professor is an expert. Read it and all of the 2000 footnotes and you might have some new information. I bought my copy at Barnes & Noble but its cheaper at Amazon.com
The problem with any research concerning the Alamo is similar to the problems faced by those who have attempted to research the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Accounts of the battle exist but many of them are Mexican and this biased. Initial histories of the Little Big Horn were biased against the Sioux and their supporters and the histories tended to make Custer a hero. Recent archaeological evidence has proved otherwise. Sadly, The Alamo is in a city and archaeology is almost impossible.
It's said that history is written by the victors. Mexicans seek to glamorize their roll and denigrate the American defense. Americans have a less then favorable view of Mexican and the notion that Americans could ever be beaten by Mexicans is hard to take. Generating honest history in such a situation is difficult. I read the reviews of this book and it sound s great! Honestly, I never believed the movie versions because battles are never fought so that the heroes die heroically.
The men who fought at the Alamo on both sides died like soldiers. The fact that 189 men stood their ground against 4,000 opponents says a great deal about their character even if they didn't die Hollywood fashion. Santa Ana was a decent general and it's hardly surprising that he hit The Alamo at its most vulnerable time. The defenders fought the best they could under less then ideal circumstances.
@mcmillspiece you thought English for two years so of course you are an expert, I have also been to New York city a few times for my job. If it overpopulated? No, but its crowded. Millions of Americans don't run across the boarder to Mexico every year. However millions of Mexicans DO run across the boarder to the USA. Mexico suck hard dick and no one in their right mind if they have any ambition to succeed stays in 3rd world Mexico ran by drug lords and corrupt politicians. Go learn this.
@mau55100 Si no sabes sobre el tema sera mejor que no opnines porque por gente como tu siemre nos dejan en mal, Mexico le gano anos despues al ejercito frances y eso hizo ganarse el respeto del mundo porque vencio al mejor ejercito del mundo , junto con el mejor general de Napoleon que fue vencido aqui el 5 de mayo en Puebla
@julioclau mira yo soy mexicano y te puedo asegurar que soy tan patriotico como tu y lo se porque el ejercito realista del siglo 19 en el cual se baso el ejercito realista estaba mal entrenado y armado. por lo tanto si lo vez con logica sant anna fue entrenado con base a al ejercito realista y el 5 de mayo fue una gran batalla pero si lo vemos no fue hasta dentro de 40 años de diferencia cuando se libro mira la guerra contra USA y veras que los soldados mexicanos estaban mal entrenados y armdos
Reality is rarely black and white. The majority of the Mexican army was composed of conscripts who couldn't read and had no interest in war. Why on Earth would these men want to die for something they were incapable of understanding? This makes them less then ideal soldiers. Mexicans however can fight and fight well when they have a reason to fight and when they are reasonably led.
@cwood4ever tu mama pinche gringo, esa guerra no era de ustedes la victoria sobre texas fue absoluta con la muete de esas ratas migradas de las 13 colonias.
@anthony8151 Well we can always judge a country by the amount of people leaving. Millions of Mexicans leave their shit hole country to get to America. Americans on the other hand stay in America and go to Mexico for vacations and such. USA wins
@anthony8151 OK......Texas was a part of Mexico, as were the other areas. But Texas won its independence from Mexico BEFORE it became part of the United States. Texas was a proud Republic after defeating Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's army at San Jacinto, with an army led by Sam Houston. At the time of the Civil War, Texas finally seceded based on the states rights issue, as it related to slavery, but there were very few slaves or slave owners in the State. Sam Houston was against secession.
@mau55100 Just because your Mexican doesn't make you correct. Santa Anna's Army was one of the best trained forces on this hemisphere back in 1816-1836, remember it was putting down revolutions for 20 years before Texas decided to fight for it's independence.
man!! i recommend you read these book its awesome! its all about Santa Anna's life all narrated by the same Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna at the age of 80 something, it has letters written by himself and many other political figures of the time. im assuming you read spanish, but if you dont, try to look for it in its english version
The native Mexicans, i.e. Aztecs, et al., did not live in Texas and the American Southwest. Why should their descendants believe that territory to be theirs?
@anthony8151 If we return Texas to Mexico, then Mexicans should return the whole country to the natives that the Spanish took it from in the first place. Or does your logic only apply to this one instance in history and no others?
Look, every square inch of land on Earth was taken from someone by someone else, at one point or another. Deal with it.
Which race has been labeled as monkeys through history? Nigger means Niger, Niger is a country in Western Africa. Go back to your way of life nigger monkey. Go view the nigger holocaust in Africa....:D
When you discover the truth about the Alamo it is a shocker! Bowie committed suicide and about 110 ran from the walls leaving their poor comrades (about 60-70) inside to die. Sam Houston tried to tell them to abandon the mission but a Captain Neil convinced them to stay and then he took off. It is all myth!
. YES... MY TEACHER KAN TEACH YOU THAT, BUT WHAT LENGUISH....DANISH,NORWISH,FRENCH,SPANISH OR ENGLISH ???...( HE DID TEACH ME, IN ALL THESE LEANGUISHES ). SO IT IS HOPLESS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOU...AN YOU THOUGT YOU WAS MORE INTELLIGENT END ME.( OH YES , SURE YOU ARE !! )
Texas is so messed up that they teach myths of heroism. One of the most messed up myths is the story of slave owners who supposedly defended the Alamo in a heroic stand off. New achaelogical and historical studies have shown that the so called defenders died running away from the Alamo. The only people to remain in the Alamo were in sick beds sleeping. United States is very lucky Texas wasn't as strong as they hoped it would be. Otherwise it would be one of the most racist nations to exist.
they died defending tHE ALAMO. yeah there were a few small groups that tried to run and were kIlled in the process, but 95% of the defenders stayed until the end.
This is the most historically accurate depiction of the event to date. Unless you have even been to The alamo let alone been to TExas, and have read anything from the period from the people who were there then you have no business spewing bullshit.
@Itsmeagain9145 Dude I live in San Antonio...I have my whole life....I do have great perspective on this matter. Some things that were fed to us in history as kids have been lies or half truths. I don't want to spoil the story for you man, if you don't like it then just ignore me. But the people who actually ended up dying in the Alamo were the ones in sick beds who couldnt move. Everyone else....have been dug up to this day found way outside the Alamo running away.
@cretiro I have read books. I have been there many times. I know the history. Sadly you are mistaken. As i said the majority of defenders did not try to run off. (Some small groups defending the exterior did), but were slaughtered in the process. The guys defending the interior fled inside the ALamo and tried to defend it from there. lol, you can believe your half truths if you want to, or you can believe historical fact. upto you. that is the way it happened.
@Itsmeagain9145 A lot of the historical facts you want to believe are just lies fed to you bro. Sorry, you can believe the lies if you wish, but that doesn't make them any more truthful.
@cretiro Direct me to one piece of "facts" that counteract what I said. By real historians not just by amatuer historians who believe what they want to belIeve. Dont bother responding until you can give me a lInk. The only person to "Flee:" the Alamo prior to the final battle was a man named Louis Rose. No other defender left the Alamo. The defenders fallIng back into the barracks doesn't mean that they "Ran off" like you are claiming. No matter how many times you say it it doesn't make...
@Itsmeagain9145 This I can believe. Through out time free men were willing to fight defending freedom, and fight for what is right. Just as 343 NYC firemen ran towards the very thing many ran from, that courage they had was the same as those before them. It is that which can define what history forgets.
Mexico won the war because there trillions of Mexicans living in Texas, and all around USA. Mexico won. USA might had fought the war, but Mexicans are here in the USA we Mexicans won.
@NinjaSpartanThe The Mexican's population is rising very highly and studies have shown Mexicans are the majority population very soon!...... in the USA. America was free before the first world war before Europe invaded America.
@NinjaSpartanThe we lucked out that Texas didn't have enough power to remain their independant nation. If it did it would of surely been a train wreck. Most of the Anglos who went to Texas went because they wanted the right to have slaves. They wanted that right so bad they were willing to kill anyone that stood in their way. we're lucky some states in the United States were smart and strong enough not to let Texas remain corrupt. Speaking of which, Texas still teaches the myth of the Alamo.
@nnnnnn7678 First of off get over that fact Mexico lost ok. Second of all you are late cuz Texas is a state not mexico Third of all You think Mexicans "own" Texas But the fact is the United States of America owns Texas. So if i were you i wouldn't be talkin
@cherelle9765 Nigger means Niger, Niger is a country in Western Africa. Nigger means ignorant or uneducated. Being a nigger is a SLUR embarrassment. No nig noggery. Go back to your way of life monkey (nigger holocaust in Africa?)
the invation of mexico by the americans its the same thing that the nazys did on france,how can any american coul feel proud of this? this is robbery,so that's the reason for vodka absolut to say IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD an then the mexican territory with the stolen lands
"This man would rest his long gun and fire, and we all learned to keep a good distance when he was seen to make ready to shoot. He rarely missed his mark, and when he fired he always rose to his feet and calmly reloaded his gun, seemingly indifferent to shots fired at him by our men. He had a strong resonant voice and often railed at us. This man I later learned was known as ‘Kwocket’." - Mexican Officer Captain Rafael Soldana
HEJ... WHAITEEESSS- YOU SHUOLDN´T SAY...I´AM A TEXAN , BECAUSE YOUR FORFATHERS WERE INVADERS...SO YOU SHOULD SAY......I AM A TEXAS INVADER. THE REAL TEXANS WERE AND ARE THE MEXICANS. NO MATTER ABOUT TEXAS WAS A INDEPENDIENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST A ROBBE. YOUR TEACHERS TEACH NO REAL FACTS, BUT JUST LAIES. IN THE ALAMO THER WERE JUST6 MEXICANS AND THE ENORMUS MAJORITY WERE GRINGOS. . GRINGOS SHOULD GETT INDEPENDENCE JUST FROM THE GRINGO GOUBERNAMENT. AND MEXICANS FROM MEXICANS
When you White squatters say "I am proud to be a Texan", you have no idea what your saying , and if you knew what "Texan" means in Anahuac language, you White squatters will be very disappointed to know what you really are representing. Hahaha Keep saying "i am proud to be a Texan" because all of the credit goes to the Aztec native of Mexica.
Mexicans brought the name Texas to the map, but Whites called them self's "Texans" a name that doesn't belong to the White squatter's. The White squatters were bankers, Farmers, Lawyers, and Slave owners. Slave owners are considered dictators. You White squatters have no idea what Texas means. The word "Texas" is a Native of word from my "Anahuac" language.
@X4SerioX4ese hey dumb ass, many people at the Alamo were not white in fact many were Mexican or Spanish and natives. also 90% of Mexicans are not native.
or did Mexico forget that Spain was there ruler for over damn near 300 years?
@Dogmeat1950 Inside the Alamo there was White squatters, and Black slaves. So what, if there was some one else who was not White inside the Alamo. The Mexican army did not killed the Black slave instead, Mexico Free the slaves. Santa Ana did not kill the women or child's. In history Santa Ana didn't do nothing to no one else only to the White squatters All the Mexicans you see brown skin they are Native of Americans. The Natives in the reservations in the USA know Mexicans are Natives.!!
@X4SerioX4ese nice job avoiding the facts. Fact is the majority of people in the Alamo were not WHITE!
also 90% Mexicans are not Native!!!!!!!!!! you Speak Spanish for fuck sake!! Spanish comes from Europe! Spain mixed it's people with the natives of Mexico and also brought people in from Spain!
@Dogmeat1950 The Native of American speak English. English comes from Europe! England mixed it's people with the Natives of American and also brought people in from England to America. The Native of Mexican American are from North America, not from Europe. Is there any difference between what you said, and what I said.?
@Dogmeat1950 Mexicans speak Aztec, Olmec, and Inca languages plus Spanish, Portuguese, and English. I speak 3 languages Mexica, Spanish, and English. Have you seen Apocalypto there you can see the our native Aztec language. Native of American and Mexicans are the same people I promise you we are the same people same Natives of North America.
@Dogmeat1950 Native of Mexican American are one with all Natives. Apache is a Spanish word you dumb ass gringo. Apache warrior Chief Geronimo was proud to have killed so many Whites you dumb ass. Mestizos called the natives of Texas Apaches. Pancho Villa, and Zapata might had team up with Apache warrior Chief Geronimo to shoot all the White Spaniards who in that time where no longer from Spain, but Mexicans. You insulting natives because 'm a Native myself, you White squatter shit head.
@X4SerioX4ese dude. Mexicans are not native to the land, you go to any top college and they will shoot your ass down on a silly ass claim like that.
stop trying to claim something that isn't even true. hell look at the old Mexican military of way back when they dressed just like a European military.
@Dogmeat1950 Mexico moves on really fast. Mexican military can look in any form doesn't change the fact there Native of Americans. Mexicans are Native of American, if you can't handle the true of the new world in North America than, your comments don't belong here.
I wish people would pick up a history book before embarassing themselves. I just ran into a couple people (and argued with them) including someone who claimed they were from Texas. Who claim that the Texas revolution was about "Slavery" First of all at the Time of the Texas revolution even though most of Mexico had abolished slavery the Mexican govt still allowed it in Texas.
@gillyssquashball lol, no. the main causes were be government differences, cultural differences, racial prejudice, the special circumstances of post revolutionary mexico, the Physical isolation of Texas, etc.
in the 1960's. i readed the book that this book is base on. both the ending of Crockett of how he died in the book ,were in the movie. and the book was written om the writing of a mexican officer who there. and yes i am a american. all brave man.
Remember that Three-Legged Willie was raising help for his best friend William B Travis under orders from Sam Houston in Gonzales. Remember San Jacinto.
> America's liberation of the Southwest from the Mexicans was one of the bright spots of Western history.
> Had Ameirca not expanded there would have been no Silicon Valley, no aqueducts and agriculture, no Hollywood, no aerospace industry, no Golden Gate bridge,no great cities, no great Port of Los Angeles etc etc etc.
Your sooooo emotional about this issue that you can't even have a decent difference without calling someone a name! Nice try to put words in my mouth, but isten! I never said that "mexicans won the battle of san jacinto." Do you have emotional outbursts like that often! There were two wars with Mexico _DO YOUR RESEARCH----- and yes, Mexico did urge them to come in the beginning, but not later, not after they kept bringing in slaves after Mexico abolished slavery in 1829.
Fantasy land interpretations of history, like that of the Alamo Battle, are filled with luxury stories about heroes and battles in which racialized whites are always the winners even when they lose. Moreover, slavery was perhaps the central factor in the Texas wars with Mexico. Benjamin Lundy made the argument that the freedom and independence that the so-called Alamo heroes were referring to was actually the freedom to own slaves and the independence to steal Mexican land. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
@Deguello321 I really dont like saying this but you are an idiot. In your point of view The mexicans won the battle of san jacinto? Also, it was one of Santa Anna's generals who said after the alamo fell, "Another victory like this and we will lose this war". There was only 1 Texas war with Mexico. And up until the Texas revolution. Mexico was urging immigrants to inhabit "Tejas". Secondly there were only a couple thousand. Not that many considering the overall population of Texas.
@Deguello321 also the Texas Revolution began wHen Mexico started to oppress Texas. Economic factors were important. Cotton was in high demand throughout the world, but Mexico wanted Texans to grow corn, grain, and beef. Another cause was that Texans wanted a closer location of the capital to stem corruption. etc etc.
True, says who? Some white racist historian? Hmmmmmmmm.. The Battle of the Alamo lasted 30 minutes--so what? What does that mean? Does it mean that Mexicans are superior to whites? No. But,hen racialized whites say that the battle of san jacinto lasted 18 minutes they are implying that somehow that represents a super race! That's the idiot part!
The term Racist does not mean much anymore????? Boy are you stupid. Last time I checked the dictionary the term racist was still there bright eyes. Just because you are in denial doesn't mean the rest of are. And the term is still in use EVERYWHERE, just google it if you canmanage that! The last guy I met like you had an ego problem, but worse than that he was stupid just like you-wow, I didn't there were this many dummies in the world.
All lies about the 18 minutes. You and 10 other guys couldn't move an old lady out of her chair in 18 minutes. Most historians believe that is a myth. 18 minutes my ass
From the onset of the engagement to its strategic end, it last roughly 18 minutes. Possibly, 20 but then again maybe 16. The point is that the Mexican army was destroyed and destroyed quickly and completely. Drop the whole race deal, you seem more concerned about race than anybody else. You can not view history through the spectacle of todays racial understanding etc. The Mexicans and whites hated each other. The Mexicans lost and were humiliated, deal with it. Thats just history.
@BamFor07 Unfortunately, your comments are only partially accutarate as well. Sure, the Spanairds were just as racist as the Anglos, but your characterization is a denial of history. You are using the standard denial argument. We can have a conversation about racism around the world but that would be too difficult for you. When things are not explained to your liking you flip the script. I am not defending "Mexicans" as you put it, but only pointing...........
What point is inaccurate? That racism and racial hatred existed on both sides? The Texans won the war? Which one of these simple points do you have trouble with? Every one of my points is clear and not up for argument, they are not opinions. They are clear facts. Mexico lost the war, racial tensions existed on both sides. If you have a problem dealing with that then thats tough because that is the truth, clear cut and crystal clear and not up for discussion.
@BamFor07 Yeah, the Nazi's (racist Texans did win the war) and they immediately set up slave state 9 years after the 1836 Battle. You mean to tell me that people did not know right from wrong in 1836???? People from ancient times though slavery wrong. I don't need to look up anything. You are the one that cant't deal with a racist past? Any of your relatives die there? Were are talking about points of view and so I don't know what the hell you are talking about! I know who won dummy!
Your inability to read for comprehension is popping up again. I have not made a single comment or even eluded to anything pertaining to slavery. I have only spoken to the racial tensions between the whites and Mexicans. Go back and reread my comments until you get a clue. Again, attempt to understand and comprehend before you make a fool of yourself.
PS: Try not to change the subject when you make arguments. We know who "won" but I was never talking about that. You jumped on that subject! I was referring to motives and not battles. But since you flipped the script, quite unmasterfully I might add, it stands to reason that nobody can have a descent about this with you. So take and aspirin and get over it!
Attempts at insults are not your strong suit, you clearly have failed to comprehend the points of my initial comments and my reiterating the same points in the corresponding ones Three points, here they are again put so simply even you could comprehend them; racism tension existed between the Mexicans and Whites (nothing to do with slavery), Mexico lost the war, the battle of San Jacinto was an embarrassing and total loss for Mexico. There is nothing for me to get over, that's you
@BamFor07 Placing the Alamo in a proper historical perspective, the editor of the "Patriot" praised Santa Anna's tactics saying that he cannot just be viewed as a tyrant but one "Who opposed the efforts of rebels (slave holding rebels) and used them with deserved severity [ in part they desired to] substantiate the horrible system of slavery" taken from Long, "Duel of Eagles" pg. 272.
You are clearly an idiot. I pointed out that the Alamo was quick and the Texans were defeated quite easily, no need to attempt to defend Santa Anna. His actions at San Jacinto are indefensible, he was a reckless idiot and he got destroyed in one of the most complete defeats in history. Slavery had next to nothing to do with this war to think of it in any other way is to put it out of context. The Mexicans invited the slave holders into Texas and loved the revenue.
Learn to spell, low life scum. Don't get mad because I am right and you are wrong. Thanks for showing that you are indeed classless and most of all completely 100% ignorant. Try graduating from high school before you talk shit.
Slavery was a complete non issue in the Texas war for Independence. You need to comprehend that. At the outbreak of the war it was not as if the Mexicans had decided to end slavery for the whites in Texas or as if there was any argument pertaining to the practice. The mention of slavery is nothing more than an attempt to justify the Mexican cause and attempt to claim some sort of moral superiority. Slavery was the Texans vice but the Mexicans had plenty of their own.
@BamFor07 I'll make it easy for you. Go to college because you are real ignorant. Just go to the internet and download Benjamin Lundy's book the War in Texas, then go to a bookstore and get a book called Exodus from the Alamo: The Anatomy of the Last Stand Myth by Phillip Tucker and Problems in Texas History by Sam W, Haynes, and read Texas Devils by Dr. Michael Collins. Texas "independence" had everything to do with slavery___Is that strong enough for ya--STUPID!
Get over it beaner, you lost. You lost because Mexico sucked and the white ideals were superior. As for getting an education, I already have a degree and am in law school at Vanderbilt. I have more education than you could dream of.
Look up the word denial, you should not use words that you clearly do not know the meaning of, as well you should read comments for understanding before attempting to offer a counter argument. There is no denial in pointing out a fact, deal with it. Victors point of view? We are talking about a battle, the results of which are clear and incontrovertible; decisive Texan victory. It is not as if the Mexicans won the battle and there is a conspiracy to hide that as you seem to suggest
That's the problem boogie boy! They were cowards that were mythologized. I wouldn't have to worry about a thing except slapping that ridiculous coon skin hat off of that scum bags face and taking Bowie to court for swindling, not Mexicans, but whites he swindled on bogus land deals. Bring the scum on ass
@Deguello321 oh really? there have been several battles and wars through out the history of the workd and you choose this one to hate on and dis??? even if the truth isnt of honour and courage and bravery and patriotism thatgs what the alamo is about. i wont ague the fact bacause i dont care if there even was a battle. but for the sake of the story in the heart f all of it. thats whats important. that feeling and strenth of patritism that you can barly fun anywhere today.
deguello you right you are lucky that Bowie and Travis &Crockett are not around . if they were they would be very littel left of you after they had finnished with you.
Good thing that Bowie and Travis are not alive cause I would mop the floor with their racist faces. The Alamo defenders were just like an idiot lynch mob- hell bent on murdering everybody in their way. Most of the Alamo story is pure fiction. Bowie was a criminal, Travis an slick lawyer, and Crockey Crockett a murderer of Indians.
The term Racist does not mean much anymore...everyone uses it to justify this or that. Deguello admit it....you have inferiority complex, and it just burns your hide that the Mexicans took way to many days to take the Alamo, and followed that up with a defeat that took...yes...18 minuets. The idiot mob won! Thus Idiot Mob > Mexican Army. Look at the bright side..you will always have the French...
Most of the common story is fiction, the massacre at the Alamo was quick and the Texans did not put up much of a fight, being quickly overrun and reduced to a man. However, your characterizations of the "heroes" involved is one sided and only partially accurate. If you want to point the race finger perhaps you should turn it around on the Mexicans, they were as guilty as any other when it came to racial prejudice, this was the norm of the time in which these men lived.
@BamFor07 I am only point out that that the lense that has been used to view history is a white supremacist lense. Yes, mine is partially biased from the modern stand point, but yours is totally biased from the false white supremacist interpretations of history. Do you think that the victors tell the truth! Huh? You are viewing history from the victors point of view- a poor lense indeed. I think you need to stop defending racism with slick denial methods
No, no lens required. The Mexicans lost the war, badly. That is the truth of the matter. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word denial, you seem to want to deny that Mexico was humiliated and defeated. That is a fact not based on anything else but the truth, clearly it is a fact that many Mexicans are still struggling with today. Who is defending racism? Simply pointing out that it was the norm of the time is neither denial nor acceptance of it.
I saw this movie in social study's!! I loved it but it was sad:( Davy Crockett was the best I loved him!!! I really wish he had survived the real thing:'(
karrina27 3 weeks ago
Omg I Watched This Movie Today Nd I Cryed When William B.
Trais Died! He So Fucking Fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
starkiss123able 1 month ago
Wow. So many people are unaware of Texian Ilegal immigration into Mexico.
Want to know the funny part and the double standard? Mexicans go into Texas for jobs and a better life.
Americans went into Texas for slavery. And they fought Mexico for the right to keep slaves.
JArrexte 1 month ago
i FUCKING love this moviee <3333 especially william travis hes fuckin cutee :)
bryannarockz110 1 month ago
What a fucking ridiculously innacurate POS hollywood waste of time.
Glad i didn't see this
elfling 1 month ago
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Travis was utterly fearless, utterly committed to what he believed, a great writer, and yes he had his marriage problems, and if he had to do it over he probably would wish he had done it differently, but he was a driven man and great leader, and would have probably been president of Texas had he lived, as has been said.
AOZXRAY 1 month ago
Sam Houston was a great statesman (with admitted flaws), Rep. David Crockett was a politician of principle who did not hesitate to split with his political patron (Pres. Jackson) on the slavery issue. But William Barret Travis was an absolute punk. Yes, he rose to the occasion when it mattered, but he should be remembered as more of a teenage delinquent with a law degree than an American military hero.
pinz2022 2 months ago
@pinz2022 I don't know what you are reading.
Travis was a young man with more energy than he rightly know what to do with, however, the Powers That Be used him to ignite the revolution and hold the Alamo together.
AOZXRAY 1 month ago
@AOZXRAY Travis was utterly fearless, utterly committed to what he believed, a great writer, and yes he had his marriage problems, and if he had to do it over he probably would wish he had done it differently, but he was a driven man and great leader, and would have probably been president of Texas had he lived, as has been said.
AOZXRAY 1 month ago
VIVA MEXICO odio los estados unidos
annakarwacka400 3 months ago
gringos chingan sus madres
annakarwacka400 3 months ago
pura mierda es esta pelicula , no dice lo que realmente sucedio , los gringos se hacen ver como los heroes de todo , malditos
mexicanito371 3 months ago
El karma amigos Tejanos, ustedes decidieron independizarse de México y unirse a los EUA, ahora después de aquel acto predador, los mexicanos volvemos a ocupar aquel territorio que era nuestro. El que rie al último rie mejor
LaHoraDelMal 3 months ago
They were American Militia! u -rah.
nebraskapatriot01 4 months ago
to my knowledge in the first 24 hours of the assault the Texans didn't suffer a single loss. the whole fight cost dearly yet no man flinched under the strain it must have caused to stay and fight. truly they were men strive to be as good of a man as they were
VladVonCarstin 5 months ago
Im gonna get so much shit for this joke but I dont care its funny,What did Davy Crockett say to William Travis when the Mexicans came to the Alamo? I didnt know we pooring concreteXD
TMalltheway 5 months ago
Dispite it's flaws this version is more historically acurate than the original John Wayne version. This was a good movie.
nholt 6 months ago
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nholt 6 months ago
en fin,santa ana les pateo el trasero a esos mercenarios.
yoveotube 7 months ago
sad that they died for freedom yet today texas gave in to blackmail from washington and now will allow TSA to molest travellers on planes. what did they die for then ?
crazyknight2008 8 months ago 3
@crazyknight2008 They died that people would have the opportunity to stand up. Whether people do is up to them.
AOZXRAY 1 month ago
@johnmarstonism Man,I love driving through Fort Worth.
ilovemycowboy123 8 months ago
you can all suck my american balls
duisteve 8 months ago
VIVA LA MEXICO!!!
PIlotrcm 8 months ago
boooo
haloscarface1 9 months ago
tin eixa dei prin 50 xronia me eixe entiposiash
9345john 9 months ago
Does anyone know the name of the song that starts on 1:08?
Sonicunleashedrox 9 months ago
Davy Crockett said to SAM Houston ( are we laying concrete to day ? )
tomjohnson1974 9 months ago
@ilovemycowboy123 Awesome You'll love it here just beware of the heat because it can get crazy well sry it took so long to reply but, I hope your having fun and the time of you life. =D
HolyKnightJDG 9 months ago
this is texas' 300
jasongraham8300 10 months ago
esta pelicula son mamadas esta pelicula the alamo es una burla y un pretexto por el cual eu le declaro la guerra a mexico todos los mexicanos unidos contra esos hijos de su reputamadre de los estanidences mamones q son inferiores a los rusos y solo pueden con paises pequeños y q intentan sobresalir para evitarlo de declaran la guerra si existe dios el dia del juisio final no admitira a esos putos de los estaunidences
sumedina1 10 months ago
@anthony8151 you are right about that
ImASonicGuy 10 months ago
Let us be clear. The flag over the Alamo was MEXICAN -- 1824. This was MEXICANS, fighting the OVER-THROW of that constitution that the swore allegence to. They were fighting against SantaAnna who, as a dictator, trashed the 1824 constitution, and then choose to disam the citizens choose to fight for the constitution.
otissumnerbrown 11 months ago
Texas history has been blanketed by myth for 175 years. The truth will eventually come out im sure.
jammerstud99 11 months ago
@jammerstud99 And what is this truth since you seem to be the only one who knows it. I'm curious.
BetaArtemis 10 months ago
@BetaArtemis- it was a nothing more than a land grab and an attempt to expand slavery which was illegal in Mexico at that particular time. Although Santa Anna's tactics were juvinile and unpopular even by his own staff, he was fighting to preserve Mexico before the Anglos took it over-but the Anglos suceeded. And David Crockett died trying to bargain for his life,but in the end Santa Anna didn't spare him. Much information is being brought to life about this interesting subject.
jammerstud99 10 months ago
@jammerstud99 I've studied this interesting subject probably alot longer than you have. First of all Davy Crockett never tried to bargain for his life. Secondly, The Mexicans encouraged the Anglo's to settle in Texas. The Texas Revolution began when Santa Anna started taking away tHeir rights which basically accumulated to him essentially tearing up tHe constitution of 1824. The Texans were justified in their fight.
Itsmeagain9145 10 months ago
@Itsmeagain9145 I never said Santa Anna was a nice guy even his own government (which were broke at that time, didnt like his tactics so well. Mexico never forced the Anglos to come to America they were welcomed as long as they followed Mexican law which clearly stated that there was no slavery allowed at all. And there are written accounts which support the fact that David Crockett was brutaly excecuted with swords after trying to bargain for his life.
jammerstud99 10 months ago
@jammerstud99 Just wanted to add that there is nobody really knows what happened to Davy Crockett as tHeir were conflicting reports. However, just because of the possibility exists he may have been captured does not mean he begged for his life.
Itsmeagain9145 10 months ago
@Itsmeagain9145 There written accounts such as diaries from officers such as General Castrillon and Col De la Pena who both tried to sway Santa Anna's decision in excecuting Crockett and 14 other anglos after surrendering. After all its well known that Santa Anna himself was spared at the Battle of San Jacinto (while bargaining for his life) by Sam Houston which was very ironic. This action even angered the Mexican army because it displayed cowardness on Santa Anna' s part.
jammerstud99 10 months ago
@jammerstud99 that's what I was referring to. there was no conclusive proof. There are conflicting reports from people. Regardless he didn't "beg for his life" I know Santa Anna was begging for his life.
Itsmeagain9145 10 months ago
@Itsmeagain9145
Most of the Alamo defenders ran out of the eastern wall where they were cut down by the Vera Cruz Lancers. All of this Alamo crap is mostly racist fiction. Those bastard slave owners deserved to die.
Deguello321 9 months ago
I'm hardly an expert on the history of this battle but if you know anything it would surprise me. The men you refer to were hardly running away but I see little point in discussing anything remotely historical with you. I suggest reading instead of making it up as you go along.
RogerHWerner 8 months ago
@RogerHWerner
Hah, finally a thinking person! I suggest that you read Exodus from the Alamo: The Anatomy of the Last Stand Myth. I am not making up anything. It is a well-reserached book by Dr. Phillip Tucker--No joke. He is a military historian. This professor is an expert. Read it and all of the 2000 footnotes and you might have some new information. I bought my copy at Barnes & Noble but its cheaper at Amazon.com
Deguello321 8 months ago
The problem with any research concerning the Alamo is similar to the problems faced by those who have attempted to research the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Accounts of the battle exist but many of them are Mexican and this biased. Initial histories of the Little Big Horn were biased against the Sioux and their supporters and the histories tended to make Custer a hero. Recent archaeological evidence has proved otherwise. Sadly, The Alamo is in a city and archaeology is almost impossible.
RogerHWerner 8 months ago
It's said that history is written by the victors. Mexicans seek to glamorize their roll and denigrate the American defense. Americans have a less then favorable view of Mexican and the notion that Americans could ever be beaten by Mexicans is hard to take. Generating honest history in such a situation is difficult. I read the reviews of this book and it sound s great! Honestly, I never believed the movie versions because battles are never fought so that the heroes die heroically.
RogerHWerner 8 months ago 2
The men who fought at the Alamo on both sides died like soldiers. The fact that 189 men stood their ground against 4,000 opponents says a great deal about their character even if they didn't die Hollywood fashion. Santa Ana was a decent general and it's hardly surprising that he hit The Alamo at its most vulnerable time. The defenders fought the best they could under less then ideal circumstances.
RogerHWerner 8 months ago 2
@mcmillspiece you thought English for two years so of course you are an expert, I have also been to New York city a few times for my job. If it overpopulated? No, but its crowded. Millions of Americans don't run across the boarder to Mexico every year. However millions of Mexicans DO run across the boarder to the USA. Mexico suck hard dick and no one in their right mind if they have any ambition to succeed stays in 3rd world Mexico ran by drug lords and corrupt politicians. Go learn this.
cwood4ever 11 months ago
one of the greatest armies ever assembled?! mexican army was SHIT and I know that because im mexican
mau55100 11 months ago
@mau55100 Si no sabes sobre el tema sera mejor que no opnines porque por gente como tu siemre nos dejan en mal, Mexico le gano anos despues al ejercito frances y eso hizo ganarse el respeto del mundo porque vencio al mejor ejercito del mundo , junto con el mejor general de Napoleon que fue vencido aqui el 5 de mayo en Puebla
julioclau 10 months ago
@julioclau mira yo soy mexicano y te puedo asegurar que soy tan patriotico como tu y lo se porque el ejercito realista del siglo 19 en el cual se baso el ejercito realista estaba mal entrenado y armado. por lo tanto si lo vez con logica sant anna fue entrenado con base a al ejercito realista y el 5 de mayo fue una gran batalla pero si lo vemos no fue hasta dentro de 40 años de diferencia cuando se libro mira la guerra contra USA y veras que los soldados mexicanos estaban mal entrenados y armdos
mau55100 10 months ago
Reality is rarely black and white. The majority of the Mexican army was composed of conscripts who couldn't read and had no interest in war. Why on Earth would these men want to die for something they were incapable of understanding? This makes them less then ideal soldiers. Mexicans however can fight and fight well when they have a reason to fight and when they are reasonably led.
RogerHWerner 8 months ago 2
@anthony8151 Actually you can judge a country by the amount of people that leave sir. Just admit it that Mexico sucks dick.
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@cwood4ever tu mama pinche gringo, esa guerra no era de ustedes la victoria sobre texas fue absoluta con la muete de esas ratas migradas de las 13 colonias.
06Yamato 11 months ago
@anthony8151 Well we can always judge a country by the amount of people leaving. Millions of Mexicans leave their shit hole country to get to America. Americans on the other hand stay in America and go to Mexico for vacations and such. USA wins
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@anthony8151 retard ive been to Mexico city. Its third world
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@anthony8151 haha USA!!!!
ImASonicGuy 11 months ago
Mexico sucks so music. Its a third world nation. How long does it take for a nation to get their act together.
cwood4ever 11 months ago
@anthony8151 OK......Texas was a part of Mexico, as were the other areas. But Texas won its independence from Mexico BEFORE it became part of the United States. Texas was a proud Republic after defeating Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's army at San Jacinto, with an army led by Sam Houston. At the time of the Civil War, Texas finally seceded based on the states rights issue, as it related to slavery, but there were very few slaves or slave owners in the State. Sam Houston was against secession.
thetexascelt 1 year ago
one of the greatest armies ever assembled !?
Mexican military was shit and i know that because im mexican
mau55100 1 year ago
@mau55100 Just because your Mexican doesn't make you correct. Santa Anna's Army was one of the best trained forces on this hemisphere back in 1816-1836, remember it was putting down revolutions for 20 years before Texas decided to fight for it's independence.
deltabtry 1 year ago
@mau55100 no they were one of the best armies back then now your army is SHIT lol
ImASonicGuy 11 months ago
@anthony8151
ohhh and i AGREE a 100000000% with your logic and reasonable thinking
elnetorockero15 1 year ago
@anthony8151
El Seductor de la Patria - by Enrique Serna
man!! i recommend you read these book its awesome! its all about Santa Anna's life all narrated by the same Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna at the age of 80 something, it has letters written by himself and many other political figures of the time. im assuming you read spanish, but if you dont, try to look for it in its english version
elnetorockero15 1 year ago
this "movie" is all a fuckin lieee!
but.. as always, they manipulate history
to make it look the way they want it to be seen...
elnetorockero15 1 year ago
@elnetorockero15 This movie is a movie...however, it is the closest thing to history that you will ever see, at least up to now.
thetexascelt 1 year ago
The native Mexicans, i.e. Aztecs, et al., did not live in Texas and the American Southwest. Why should their descendants believe that territory to be theirs?
rcriis 1 year ago
@anthony8151 If we return Texas to Mexico, then Mexicans should return the whole country to the natives that the Spanish took it from in the first place. Or does your logic only apply to this one instance in history and no others?
Look, every square inch of land on Earth was taken from someone by someone else, at one point or another. Deal with it.
jculver1674 1 year ago
whats up with the axeman?
I4mNotEm0 1 year ago
Got a DVD with that movie from my Texan friend. Love it.
adyb256 1 year ago
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nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
A battle fought over ideals. "I will go to Texas. The rest of you can go to hell."
seeingthesigns 1 year ago
God Bless America !!!! the Alamo is never to be forgotten !!!
Salvatronication 1 year ago
this land belongs to the natives not just texas the whole usa ...fuck what all the rest say....
hugocasarrubias 1 year ago
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these white people are racists
exterminador1904 1 year ago
..is that not the music for Gladiator at the begining??
TheJazz2002 1 year ago
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When you discover the truth about the Alamo it is a shocker! Bowie committed suicide and about 110 ran from the walls leaving their poor comrades (about 60-70) inside to die. Sam Houston tried to tell them to abandon the mission but a Captain Neil convinced them to stay and then he took off. It is all myth!
Deguello321 1 year ago
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akalelt 1 year ago
Texas is so messed up that they teach myths of heroism. One of the most messed up myths is the story of slave owners who supposedly defended the Alamo in a heroic stand off. New achaelogical and historical studies have shown that the so called defenders died running away from the Alamo. The only people to remain in the Alamo were in sick beds sleeping. United States is very lucky Texas wasn't as strong as they hoped it would be. Otherwise it would be one of the most racist nations to exist.
cretiro 1 year ago
@cretiro You are an idiot. thanks for playing.
they died defending tHE ALAMO. yeah there were a few small groups that tried to run and were kIlled in the process, but 95% of the defenders stayed until the end.
This is the most historically accurate depiction of the event to date. Unless you have even been to The alamo let alone been to TExas, and have read anything from the period from the people who were there then you have no business spewing bullshit.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
@Itsmeagain9145 Dude I live in San Antonio...I have my whole life....I do have great perspective on this matter. Some things that were fed to us in history as kids have been lies or half truths. I don't want to spoil the story for you man, if you don't like it then just ignore me. But the people who actually ended up dying in the Alamo were the ones in sick beds who couldnt move. Everyone else....have been dug up to this day found way outside the Alamo running away.
cretiro 1 year ago
@cretiro I have read books. I have been there many times. I know the history. Sadly you are mistaken. As i said the majority of defenders did not try to run off. (Some small groups defending the exterior did), but were slaughtered in the process. The guys defending the interior fled inside the ALamo and tried to defend it from there. lol, you can believe your half truths if you want to, or you can believe historical fact. upto you. that is the way it happened.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
@Itsmeagain9145 A lot of the historical facts you want to believe are just lies fed to you bro. Sorry, you can believe the lies if you wish, but that doesn't make them any more truthful.
cretiro 1 year ago
@cretiro Direct me to one piece of "facts" that counteract what I said. By real historians not just by amatuer historians who believe what they want to belIeve. Dont bother responding until you can give me a lInk. The only person to "Flee:" the Alamo prior to the final battle was a man named Louis Rose. No other defender left the Alamo. The defenders fallIng back into the barracks doesn't mean that they "Ran off" like you are claiming. No matter how many times you say it it doesn't make...
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
@Itsmeagain9145 This I can believe. Through out time free men were willing to fight defending freedom, and fight for what is right. Just as 343 NYC firemen ran towards the very thing many ran from, that courage they had was the same as those before them. It is that which can define what history forgets.
ToughLoveActingNYC 1 year ago
@cretiro (contd) it anymore true.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
Manifest Destiny must be stopped only Iran and Venezuela can lead the way.
lilbeezy4utoo 1 year ago
Mexico won the war because there trillions of Mexicans living in Texas, and all around USA. Mexico won. USA might had fought the war, but Mexicans are here in the USA we Mexicans won.
nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
@nnnnnn7678 No, America is actually a free country unlike that piece of shit disgrace to be called a nation mexico
NinjaSpartanThe 1 year ago
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@NinjaSpartanThe The Mexican's population is rising very highly and studies have shown Mexicans are the majority population very soon!...... in the USA. America was free before the first world war before Europe invaded America.
nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
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@NinjaSpartanThe No, America is Mexico actually a free country unlike that piece of shit disgrace to be called a nation USA.
nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
@NinjaSpartanThe we lucked out that Texas didn't have enough power to remain their independant nation. If it did it would of surely been a train wreck. Most of the Anglos who went to Texas went because they wanted the right to have slaves. They wanted that right so bad they were willing to kill anyone that stood in their way. we're lucky some states in the United States were smart and strong enough not to let Texas remain corrupt. Speaking of which, Texas still teaches the myth of the Alamo.
cretiro 1 year ago
@NinjaSpartanThe America is not a country, motherfucker¡
Jevorkan9168 1 year ago
@nnnnnn7678 So you sayin that Mexico should have kept texas?
cherelle9765 1 year ago
@cherelle9765 Texas is Mexico is what I'm saying.
nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
@nnnnnn7678 First of off get over that fact Mexico lost ok. Second of all you are late cuz Texas is a state not mexico Third of all You think Mexicans "own" Texas But the fact is the United States of America owns Texas. So if i were you i wouldn't be talkin
cherelle9765 1 year ago
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nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
@nnnnnn7678 Yea my ancesters were slaves. But I still love Texas. If ur unhappy GO BACK TO MEXICO!!!
cherelle9765 1 year ago
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@cherelle9765 Nigger means Niger, Niger is a country in Western Africa. Nigger means ignorant or uneducated. Being a nigger is a SLUR embarrassment. No nig noggery. Go back to your way of life monkey (nigger holocaust in Africa?)
nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
@cherelle9765
Your a liar white boy
Deguello321 1 year ago
@cherelle9765
Your a real race card idiot
Deguello321 1 year ago
@nnnnnn7678 lol but u died after the alamo santa anna and his army got owned in under 30 mins it was in the battle of san jacinto LOL
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nnnnnn7678 1 year ago
the invation of mexico by the americans its the same thing that the nazys did on france,how can any american coul feel proud of this? this is robbery,so that's the reason for vodka absolut to say IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD an then the mexican territory with the stolen lands
thacongress 1 year ago
"This man would rest his long gun and fire, and we all learned to keep a good distance when he was seen to make ready to shoot. He rarely missed his mark, and when he fired he always rose to his feet and calmly reloaded his gun, seemingly indifferent to shots fired at him by our men. He had a strong resonant voice and often railed at us. This man I later learned was known as ‘Kwocket’." - Mexican Officer Captain Rafael Soldana
Herpkid56 1 year ago
HEJ... WHAITEEESSS- YOU SHUOLDN´T SAY...I´AM A TEXAN , BECAUSE YOUR FORFATHERS WERE INVADERS...SO YOU SHOULD SAY......I AM A TEXAS INVADER. THE REAL TEXANS WERE AND ARE THE MEXICANS. NO MATTER ABOUT TEXAS WAS A INDEPENDIENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST A ROBBE. YOUR TEACHERS TEACH NO REAL FACTS, BUT JUST LAIES. IN THE ALAMO THER WERE JUST6 MEXICANS AND THE ENORMUS MAJORITY WERE GRINGOS. . GRINGOS SHOULD GETT INDEPENDENCE JUST FROM THE GRINGO GOUBERNAMENT. AND MEXICANS FROM MEXICANS
akalelt 1 year ago
@akalelt can your teacher teach me how to spell too. Obviously having an educated discussion with you is pointless.
cwood4ever 1 year ago
whats the name of the song
ThePacNation 1 year ago
what's the name of the song that starts at 1:55 ?
emperor231 1 year ago 2
When you White squatters say "I am proud to be a Texan", you have no idea what your saying , and if you knew what "Texan" means in Anahuac language, you White squatters will be very disappointed to know what you really are representing. Hahaha Keep saying "i am proud to be a Texan" because all of the credit goes to the Aztec native of Mexica.
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
Mexicans brought the name Texas to the map, but Whites called them self's "Texans" a name that doesn't belong to the White squatter's. The White squatters were bankers, Farmers, Lawyers, and Slave owners. Slave owners are considered dictators. You White squatters have no idea what Texas means. The word "Texas" is a Native of word from my "Anahuac" language.
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
@X4SerioX4ese hey dumb ass, many people at the Alamo were not white in fact many were Mexican or Spanish and natives. also 90% of Mexicans are not native.
or did Mexico forget that Spain was there ruler for over damn near 300 years?
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Inside the Alamo there was White squatters, and Black slaves. So what, if there was some one else who was not White inside the Alamo. The Mexican army did not killed the Black slave instead, Mexico Free the slaves. Santa Ana did not kill the women or child's. In history Santa Ana didn't do nothing to no one else only to the White squatters All the Mexicans you see brown skin they are Native of Americans. The Natives in the reservations in the USA know Mexicans are Natives.!!
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
@X4SerioX4ese nice job avoiding the facts. Fact is the majority of people in the Alamo were not WHITE!
also 90% Mexicans are not Native!!!!!!!!!! you Speak Spanish for fuck sake!! Spanish comes from Europe! Spain mixed it's people with the natives of Mexico and also brought people in from Spain!
say it again majority of Mexicans are not Native!
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 The Native of American speak English. English comes from Europe! England mixed it's people with the Natives of American and also brought people in from England to America. The Native of Mexican American are from North America, not from Europe. Is there any difference between what you said, and what I said.?
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
@X4SerioX4ese FAIL, Native Americans speak there own Language plus English.
also there was very little mixing done with natives.
simple fact is Mexican are not native
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Mexicans speak Aztec, Olmec, and Inca languages plus Spanish, Portuguese, and English. I speak 3 languages Mexica, Spanish, and English. Have you seen Apocalypto there you can see the our native Aztec language. Native of American and Mexicans are the same people I promise you we are the same people same Natives of North America.
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
@X4SerioX4ese i'm sorry dumb ass, but Mexicans are NOT native! hell even the pache say they are not!
Apache warrior Chief Geronimo was proud to have killed so many Mexicans after they brutally killed his wife, his children, and his mother.
The Apache language is part of the Athabaskan (Na-Dene) Language Family which is spoken from California to Alaska.
Mexicans are not, Native to the lands and you insult real Natives
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Native of Mexican American are one with all Natives. Apache is a Spanish word you dumb ass gringo. Apache warrior Chief Geronimo was proud to have killed so many Whites you dumb ass. Mestizos called the natives of Texas Apaches. Pancho Villa, and Zapata might had team up with Apache warrior Chief Geronimo to shoot all the White Spaniards who in that time where no longer from Spain, but Mexicans. You insulting natives because 'm a Native myself, you White squatter shit head.
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
@X4SerioX4ese dude. Mexicans are not native to the land, you go to any top college and they will shoot your ass down on a silly ass claim like that.
stop trying to claim something that isn't even true. hell look at the old Mexican military of way back when they dressed just like a European military.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Mexico moves on really fast. Mexican military can look in any form doesn't change the fact there Native of Americans. Mexicans are Native of American, if you can't handle the true of the new world in North America than, your comments don't belong here.
X4SerioX4ese 1 year ago
@X4SerioX4ese Mexicans don´t speak portuguese.
Jevorkan9168 1 year ago
This is why i Love to say i am a Native Texan
TheComputer13Girl 1 year ago
I wish people would pick up a history book before embarassing themselves. I just ran into a couple people (and argued with them) including someone who claimed they were from Texas. Who claim that the Texas revolution was about "Slavery" First of all at the Time of the Texas revolution even though most of Mexico had abolished slavery the Mexican govt still allowed it in Texas.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
@Itsmeagain9145
It was about killing spicks wasn't it?
gillyssquashball 1 year ago
@gillyssquashball lol, no. the main causes were be government differences, cultural differences, racial prejudice, the special circumstances of post revolutionary mexico, the Physical isolation of Texas, etc.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
@Itsmeagain9145
Well yea but that's just a fancy way of saying killing spicks isn't it?
gillyssquashball 1 year ago
@gillyssquashball guess in a way it was.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
in the 1960's. i readed the book that this book is base on. both the ending of Crockett of how he died in the book ,were in the movie. and the book was written om the writing of a mexican officer who there. and yes i am a american. all brave man.
3willtell 1 year ago
Remember that Three-Legged Willie was raising help for his best friend William B Travis under orders from Sam Houston in Gonzales. Remember San Jacinto.
1826willie 1 year ago
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> I liked how this movie ended.
> America's liberation of the Southwest from the Mexicans was one of the bright spots of Western history.
> Had Ameirca not expanded there would have been no Silicon Valley, no aqueducts and agriculture, no Hollywood, no aerospace industry, no Golden Gate bridge,no great cities, no great Port of Los Angeles etc etc etc.
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BLCalifornia 1 year ago
The Texas revolution had little to nothing to due with slavery
slavery was one of 15 reasons why we fought back
and it was not a common reason since most Texans did not own slaves at that point in time
there rights were being steped on and they rebeled not unlike the american revolution
the mexicans were the aggresors they started the damn war and they lost get over it trying to scream propaganda at us wont change history
and trying to blaime the war on slavery is insane lol
edgehead31593 1 year ago
Your sooooo emotional about this issue that you can't even have a decent difference without calling someone a name! Nice try to put words in my mouth, but isten! I never said that "mexicans won the battle of san jacinto." Do you have emotional outbursts like that often! There were two wars with Mexico _DO YOUR RESEARCH----- and yes, Mexico did urge them to come in the beginning, but not later, not after they kept bringing in slaves after Mexico abolished slavery in 1829.
Deguello321 1 year ago
Fantasy land interpretations of history, like that of the Alamo Battle, are filled with luxury stories about heroes and battles in which racialized whites are always the winners even when they lose. Moreover, slavery was perhaps the central factor in the Texas wars with Mexico. Benjamin Lundy made the argument that the freedom and independence that the so-called Alamo heroes were referring to was actually the freedom to own slaves and the independence to steal Mexican land. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321 I really dont like saying this but you are an idiot. In your point of view The mexicans won the battle of san jacinto? Also, it was one of Santa Anna's generals who said after the alamo fell, "Another victory like this and we will lose this war". There was only 1 Texas war with Mexico. And up until the Texas revolution. Mexico was urging immigrants to inhabit "Tejas". Secondly there were only a couple thousand. Not that many considering the overall population of Texas.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
@Deguello321 also the Texas Revolution began wHen Mexico started to oppress Texas. Economic factors were important. Cotton was in high demand throughout the world, but Mexico wanted Texans to grow corn, grain, and beef. Another cause was that Texans wanted a closer location of the capital to stem corruption. etc etc.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
True, says who? Some white racist historian? Hmmmmmmmm.. The Battle of the Alamo lasted 30 minutes--so what? What does that mean? Does it mean that Mexicans are superior to whites? No. But,hen racialized whites say that the battle of san jacinto lasted 18 minutes they are implying that somehow that represents a super race! That's the idiot part!
Deguello321 1 year ago
what is the name of this song
ThePacNation 1 year ago
kepler1000 or is it stupid 1000?
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321 It is true the battle of san jacinto lasted 18 minutes. Look it up and do the research.
Itsmeagain9145 1 year ago
The term Racist does not mean much anymore????? Boy are you stupid. Last time I checked the dictionary the term racist was still there bright eyes. Just because you are in denial doesn't mean the rest of are. And the term is still in use EVERYWHERE, just google it if you canmanage that! The last guy I met like you had an ego problem, but worse than that he was stupid just like you-wow, I didn't there were this many dummies in the world.
Deguello321 1 year ago
All lies about the 18 minutes. You and 10 other guys couldn't move an old lady out of her chair in 18 minutes. Most historians believe that is a myth. 18 minutes my ass
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
From the onset of the engagement to its strategic end, it last roughly 18 minutes. Possibly, 20 but then again maybe 16. The point is that the Mexican army was destroyed and destroyed quickly and completely. Drop the whole race deal, you seem more concerned about race than anybody else. You can not view history through the spectacle of todays racial understanding etc. The Mexicans and whites hated each other. The Mexicans lost and were humiliated, deal with it. Thats just history.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 Unfortunately, your comments are only partially accutarate as well. Sure, the Spanairds were just as racist as the Anglos, but your characterization is a denial of history. You are using the standard denial argument. We can have a conversation about racism around the world but that would be too difficult for you. When things are not explained to your liking you flip the script. I am not defending "Mexicans" as you put it, but only pointing...........
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
What point is inaccurate? That racism and racial hatred existed on both sides? The Texans won the war? Which one of these simple points do you have trouble with? Every one of my points is clear and not up for argument, they are not opinions. They are clear facts. Mexico lost the war, racial tensions existed on both sides. If you have a problem dealing with that then thats tough because that is the truth, clear cut and crystal clear and not up for discussion.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 Yeah, the Nazi's (racist Texans did win the war) and they immediately set up slave state 9 years after the 1836 Battle. You mean to tell me that people did not know right from wrong in 1836???? People from ancient times though slavery wrong. I don't need to look up anything. You are the one that cant't deal with a racist past? Any of your relatives die there? Were are talking about points of view and so I don't know what the hell you are talking about! I know who won dummy!
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Your inability to read for comprehension is popping up again. I have not made a single comment or even eluded to anything pertaining to slavery. I have only spoken to the racial tensions between the whites and Mexicans. Go back and reread my comments until you get a clue. Again, attempt to understand and comprehend before you make a fool of yourself.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07
PS: Try not to change the subject when you make arguments. We know who "won" but I was never talking about that. You jumped on that subject! I was referring to motives and not battles. But since you flipped the script, quite unmasterfully I might add, it stands to reason that nobody can have a descent about this with you. So take and aspirin and get over it!
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Attempts at insults are not your strong suit, you clearly have failed to comprehend the points of my initial comments and my reiterating the same points in the corresponding ones Three points, here they are again put so simply even you could comprehend them; racism tension existed between the Mexicans and Whites (nothing to do with slavery), Mexico lost the war, the battle of San Jacinto was an embarrassing and total loss for Mexico. There is nothing for me to get over, that's you
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 Placing the Alamo in a proper historical perspective, the editor of the "Patriot" praised Santa Anna's tactics saying that he cannot just be viewed as a tyrant but one "Who opposed the efforts of rebels (slave holding rebels) and used them with deserved severity [ in part they desired to] substantiate the horrible system of slavery" taken from Long, "Duel of Eagles" pg. 272.
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
You are clearly an idiot. I pointed out that the Alamo was quick and the Texans were defeated quite easily, no need to attempt to defend Santa Anna. His actions at San Jacinto are indefensible, he was a reckless idiot and he got destroyed in one of the most complete defeats in history. Slavery had next to nothing to do with this war to think of it in any other way is to put it out of context. The Mexicans invited the slave holders into Texas and loved the revenue.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 I dare your dum ass to raed that stuff. Until I won't answer any more of you bullshit! Take a hike BAM FART
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Learn to spell, low life scum. Don't get mad because I am right and you are wrong. Thanks for showing that you are indeed classless and most of all completely 100% ignorant. Try graduating from high school before you talk shit.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 For u I am going to mispellwords on purposey BAM FART
Deguello321 1 year ago
@BamFor07 Look up bigot BAM FART and go to college you ignorant slob
Deguello321 1 year ago
@BamFor07 PS: I am going to tell your mom that you have been skipping out of class again. GET YOUR EDUCATION BEFORE TRYING TO DEBATE ANYBODY
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Slavery was a complete non issue in the Texas war for Independence. You need to comprehend that. At the outbreak of the war it was not as if the Mexicans had decided to end slavery for the whites in Texas or as if there was any argument pertaining to the practice. The mention of slavery is nothing more than an attempt to justify the Mexican cause and attempt to claim some sort of moral superiority. Slavery was the Texans vice but the Mexicans had plenty of their own.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 I'll make it easy for you. Go to college because you are real ignorant. Just go to the internet and download Benjamin Lundy's book the War in Texas, then go to a bookstore and get a book called Exodus from the Alamo: The Anatomy of the Last Stand Myth by Phillip Tucker and Problems in Texas History by Sam W, Haynes, and read Texas Devils by Dr. Michael Collins. Texas "independence" had everything to do with slavery___Is that strong enough for ya--STUPID!
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Get over it beaner, you lost. You lost because Mexico sucked and the white ideals were superior. As for getting an education, I already have a degree and am in law school at Vanderbilt. I have more education than you could dream of.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07
There are 2 things you need to drop:
1. The racial denial that Anglos were attempting to set up a slave empire, something they themselves admitted, and
2. The use of looking at the past from the victors point of view is indeed foolish
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Look up the word denial, you should not use words that you clearly do not know the meaning of, as well you should read comments for understanding before attempting to offer a counter argument. There is no denial in pointing out a fact, deal with it. Victors point of view? We are talking about a battle, the results of which are clear and incontrovertible; decisive Texan victory. It is not as if the Mexicans won the battle and there is a conspiracy to hide that as you seem to suggest
BamFor07 1 year ago
I love Texas too, but not those guys that claimed they were fighting for freedom when all of the history shows they were full of crap.
Deguello321 1 year ago
18 minutes! isn't that the time that President Nixon erased from the Watergate tapes!
Deguello321 1 year ago
That's the problem boogie boy! They were cowards that were mythologized. I wouldn't have to worry about a thing except slapping that ridiculous coon skin hat off of that scum bags face and taking Bowie to court for swindling, not Mexicans, but whites he swindled on bogus land deals. Bring the scum on ass
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321 oh really? there have been several battles and wars through out the history of the workd and you choose this one to hate on and dis??? even if the truth isnt of honour and courage and bravery and patriotism thatgs what the alamo is about. i wont ague the fact bacause i dont care if there even was a battle. but for the sake of the story in the heart f all of it. thats whats important. that feeling and strenth of patritism that you can barly fun anywhere today.
deedundone 1 year ago
The Mexicans lost in 18 mins....
Epic Defeat!
kepler1000 1 year ago
deguello you right you are lucky that Bowie and Travis &Crockett are not around . if they were they would be very littel left of you after they had finnished with you.
boogieman7167 1 year ago
Good thing that Bowie and Travis are not alive cause I would mop the floor with their racist faces. The Alamo defenders were just like an idiot lynch mob- hell bent on murdering everybody in their way. Most of the Alamo story is pure fiction. Bowie was a criminal, Travis an slick lawyer, and Crockey Crockett a murderer of Indians.
Deguello321 1 year ago
The term Racist does not mean much anymore...everyone uses it to justify this or that. Deguello admit it....you have inferiority complex, and it just burns your hide that the Mexicans took way to many days to take the Alamo, and followed that up with a defeat that took...yes...18 minuets. The idiot mob won! Thus Idiot Mob > Mexican Army. Look at the bright side..you will always have the French...
kepler1000 1 year ago
@Deguello321
Most of the common story is fiction, the massacre at the Alamo was quick and the Texans did not put up much of a fight, being quickly overrun and reduced to a man. However, your characterizations of the "heroes" involved is one sided and only partially accurate. If you want to point the race finger perhaps you should turn it around on the Mexicans, they were as guilty as any other when it came to racial prejudice, this was the norm of the time in which these men lived.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07 I am only point out that that the lense that has been used to view history is a white supremacist lense. Yes, mine is partially biased from the modern stand point, but yours is totally biased from the false white supremacist interpretations of history. Do you think that the victors tell the truth! Huh? You are viewing history from the victors point of view- a poor lense indeed. I think you need to stop defending racism with slick denial methods
Deguello321 1 year ago
@Deguello321
No, no lens required. The Mexicans lost the war, badly. That is the truth of the matter. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word denial, you seem to want to deny that Mexico was humiliated and defeated. That is a fact not based on anything else but the truth, clearly it is a fact that many Mexicans are still struggling with today. Who is defending racism? Simply pointing out that it was the norm of the time is neither denial nor acceptance of it.
BamFor07 1 year ago