@jayhawk88z No it is NOT foolish for a black person to be a Mormon! You obviously don't know anything about the LDS church or it's doctrines!!! As I've said a million times, the LDS church has the fulness of the Gospel and will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church! The LDS church offers more spiritually for blacks THAN ANY OTHER CHURCH!!!
@cindybin2001 I grew up in the LDS church, and a lot of my family are members of the church. So speaking from firsthand experience I strongly disagree. In the book of Mormon it is said that god turned the skin of the Lamanites dark to show that they were wicked. It actually calls it a "curse". I will have no part in a religion that justifies racial discrimination. And the Mormon Church RARLEY (almost never) uses the bible. I know this because I went for almost 13 years.
@jamnjosh91 Yes I know it's called a curse, etc. but it still doesn't mean the church isn't true, and you are misunderstanding what this means!!! It's not like we go around hating black people and calling them cursed!!! And we DO use the Bible! I've been a member for 30 years and we use the Bible all the time! Haven't you been to Gospel Doctrine classes?? Every year they rotate, teaching the OT, the NT, the Book of Mormon, and D&C! We use the Bible ALL THE TIME! In Relief Society and (more)
@jamnjosh91 and Priesthood discussions, home teaching and visiting teaching, EVERYTHING! The LDS church will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church! And it offers more spiritually for blacks than any other church! As the blacks in the church! We have the fulness of the Gospel! The blacks stay in the church for eternal life!
@cindybin2001 i have done and seen all of this. they will read small peices of the bible and then show you a place in the book of mormon where it relates and spend the next three hours talking about the book of mormon with the bible in their hand. and as for black american, it is up to them. and i never said mormons hate black people, but that does not excuse the writings. they are still there. and just so you know, from experience, Islam offers more for black people than the LDS church.
@jamnjosh91 That is so not true!!! As I said, we rotate the scriptures! I remember when we were studying the OT and our assignment for the next week was to read Genesis, which EVERYBODY DID! And then we read the next book in the OT and the next and the next, etc. And the following year we studied the NT and read the entire thing!!! This happens ALL THE TIME!!!
@jamnjosh91 And yes the writings talk about 'curses" and things like that, but that is the scriptural term and this needs to be studied in the right context. Of COURSE to the average person it's going to sound HORRIBLE! how could it not??? But when you understand the Gospel and have a testimony, etc. you are going to know what these things mean!!
@cindybin2001 You are telling me I do not understand, and have not tied to understand the scriptures, but you have no idea the amount of time and effort I poured into the church. Are you trying to make me seem ignorant? I do not agree with you, we can leave it at that and move on with our lives.
@cindybin2001 Well maybe I was going to the wrong Mormon Church because we almost never opened the bible. Never, not in 13 years. We always talked about it. Never read from it for more than a minute or two, never gave testimony to the bible, only to the book of Mormon, and we never taught from it. NEVER. I am sorry but that is what happened while I was in the church.
@jamnjosh91 I can't believe it! What church did you go to, may I ask? I've been in several wards and we always use it, and it is official church stuff to rotate the gospel doctrine meetings using the Bible and Book of Mormon, etc, year after year. This should be the same in all wards, all over the world!
@cindybin2001 i have attenede one ward near lewiston, ID and 3 seperate wards near Spokane, WA. if you think i am a liar, i am not. i have attended many other churches as well. i have also rwad from many religous texts, and educated myself on relions of other cultures. i am not some silly boy sitting at a computer talking nonsence ans=d creating stories. i am sorry that we disagree but it is not going to change.
@jamnjosh91 I believe you. But I still am shocked that you hardly ever used the Bible. That should not be the case! the LDS church will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
@cindybin2001 all i ever felt while attending the church was uneasy. i never felt right in the church and no matter what i did it never went away. i am glad that you have found a way to become close with Christ, and i think it is great that you believe so strongly in the LDS church, but it is not the same for everyone.
@jamnjosh91 Thanks, I appreciate your comment. I am sorry you felt the way you did. Would you like to hear my conversion story? I can email it to you if you want. Just let me know.
@jamnjosh91 Well now after reading your replies to me on that pot board, I'm really upset! I didn't know that you felt that way about marijuana! Here I am trying to help people make a difference in their lives and understand why we shouldn't use drugs, and you just tore me down! Oh this makes me so mad!!!
@cindybin2001 If Jesus Christ had wanted an Aaronic Priesthood, he would have created it. a boy does not have to follow the teachings of man, as well as serve members of his comunity to bcome one whit a god. the kingdom of go is within the person who seeks it. it is a personal, spiritual conection with the universe and all things within it. as for Islam not being true, have you read the Qur'ran?
You certainly don't know anything of the Bible in full context. Galations 1 vers. 6-8 says you can't accept any other gospel for it is accursed. The Mormons tend to over talk over any normal person as you must have missed the Mormon with the glasses in the video that you're talking tries to over talk the Georgian preacher as you can her the Mormon said HEY YOU LISTEN TO ME as if that is some sort of cult like order. It's all a cult dude.
wow dude, you are delusional!! "if those guys were to have a deep discussion about the bible they would most likely get owned by the elders"????? I have lived in a utah for 16 years and graduated from BYU as a christian, the mormons don't know squat about the bible! they can barely articulate anything about their own faith that hasnt been pounded into them since they were little. BoM, testimonies, as far as its correctly translated, I know the church is true... its all mindless regurgitaion.
@Zapbrannigan23 Let the Word enlighten you Galatian"s (ie) another angel bring another gospel. 1 Cor chapter 2 gives them (preachers) authority. And just for measure being killed in Christ name (apostels) is not an apostacy. the apostacy they(mormon's) speak of was the perishing of the Word and that Joseph Smith was needed to restore it. Mark 13:31 now who do you believe Jesus Christ or Josepf Smith ? I chose Jesus Christ! How about you?
@dcchicken75 That is crazy! I'm a convert to the Mormon church for 30 years and we use the Bible all the time! The LDS church will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
Wakeup bro why would you be part of a religion that thinks you are the seed of satan come on bro are you serious they wouldnt let you even participate fully until 1978 wake up bro get serious My black brother so quick to forget who you are
You're correct therflo13 on the Great Apostasy. All Orthodox, and Catholic Christians as well as most Protestants know of it. As a former Orthodox Christian(Church of Antioch/See of Antioch) we are taught all the doctrines, and theological arguements in the first 800 years of Christianity. Examples:The Canon of Scripture, two natures of Christ, Apostolic Succession, The Nicene Creed, The Theotokos title for the Virgin Mary, etc. These and many more doctrines were hammered out over 7 Councils.
The missionaries were put in their place for pandering the pathetic prophetic of the young, upstart religion that batters & bastardizes Bible belief called Mormonism. Mormons have a minimalist grasp of the glory of God. They distort & devalue Who God Is. To Christians who are jealous & zealous to ascribe to God the beauty, honor & power due His Name such is totally unacceptable & should be challenged & countered for the cause of Christ - not for a church, a cult, a corporation.
@Ingle92protege What I've been taught is in the guide book for missionaries called Preach My Gospel.
Either you are very old and have trouble hearing, or have A.D.D...
This guy didn't know his scripture well enough. Heck, anyone who's seen The Passion of the Christ knows the Roman Empire didn't want to kill Christ. And that they just wanted to stop an uprising of the masses.
@therflo13 I don't even begin to take your egotistical response seriously. But they have trained you well to substitute a real answer for self indulgent arrogance.
A government is not a being, it is not capable of love nor of responding to love. Nor features, nor roles.
YOU don't know what you are talking about and you are actually trying to use "Lightness" as a way to seem justified in continuing on.
Feel free to explain how your "government, features, and role" can love another. LOL
What did Black people ever do to anyone that white people had to invent this notion that the "mark" on Cain was black skin?
Nothing.
Why do Mormons defend a made up notion that came from, not the Bible, but from racist interpretations outside the Bible.
How then does anyone respect Mormonism, after it has internalized this interpretation, as so far as to insert it as "biblical verses" in a revised edition of the Bible? It's then copied into their scripture "Book of Moses"? What a shame.
Here is the thing the book of Mormon is false. The stories in the book of Mormon have no historical evidence to back them up. The book is a lie and since Satan is the father of the lie the book is from Satan.
There is however archaeological evidence. The Izapa Stela 5, which is a stone found in Mexico. It depicts Lehi's vision of The Tree of Life.
There is also anthropologic evidnece. Cladestic analysis of Native American skulls suggest that the ancient Red Men of Japan are their decendents. Thus supporting statments made in the Book of Mormon.
Also the structures made in Ohio by the Hopewell indians match the descriptions of structures and fortifications from the BoM.
Ok, Izapa Stela 5 does not depict Lehi's vision of the tree of life.
The concept of a tree of life is very widespread in the world. Again, Smith's fictional book of Mormon took a lot of elements from the BIBLE (the tree of Life is in the Bible and Smith took it from THERE).
What Mormon scholars did was take what they say in the stela and conjure up their own interpretation of how it "could" mean this and that in a mormon context.
The Izapa Stela has elements that do not have any direct correlation to the Lehi story. It's that they find symbolism among the image by any means necessary. Not due to any demonstrated evidence, or relation to the culture.
Those 6 vines, they could have been 7 vines and still Mormons would have made that mean something. But there are six. Before assuming it's Mormon, did they learn more about Izapa mythology to see what THEY say THEIR history relates the six vines to?
@osirica Let's not forget about the tree in the center of the stone. I'm not saying that that fact proves everything but it completly rebuts your statment. "The Izapa Stela has elements that do not have any direct correlation to the Lehi story."
There is a tree in both. It is a fact and at least one correlation. Thus disproving your statement.
The tree has a coiencidental similarity merely by the number of branches.
Thats it.
Just like the four canopic jars in the facsimile and the lion headed armed couch. Smith got it from the Bible, copied into his book, then sees an Egyptian papyrus. Instead of simply linking Egypt directlyl to the Bible, Mormons use his book as a segway. Oh wow, how clever. Step in and take all credit, in a circular way. I write a book, make up anything, find anything on earth with the superficial similarity.
"The Izapa Stela has elements that do not have any direct correlation to the Lehi story."
Thats my statement.
Your response is like this "There are coiencidental similarities"
So coiencidental similarities is sufficient for you to conclude a direct coorelation. So if I did write a fictional book about whatever, and somewhere somewhere a tribe of people have some superficial similarities in any way to my fictional account...
YOU would say "Oh that's a direct coorelation"... to my BOOK?
The reason why Mormons don't look deeper into the Native cultures, when finding artifacts that superficially resemble their fairy tale book is this:
People of color, esp. Native Americans are like mute accessories to racist attitudes. They have used Native American cultures as a tool for their undertakings ever since Joseph Smith.
Notice how no Mormon will ever bring a Native person of any credibility of the culture to back them up. No, they don't ask the Izapa. They push their agenda first.
So you will always have a Mormon say "oh look this is evidence", when they only have the artifact itself (which without any study is just a picture from some ancient culture), then among all of the symbolism and stories (many based on Biblical things) in Mormon writings, you will find a superficial connection.
So then instead of investigating IF IT IS ACCURATE. No Mormons first insist it "must be" without any further research, then the actual proof that it's false... well that's just "bias".
YOu are the one that has to provide proof. You're waiting for me to provide proof that something is not true.
YOU made the claim YOU have to prove it.
I can easily prove the events in the Bible overwhelmingly are true by going to the middle east and showing you millions of documented archaeological proofs.
You cannot find ONE proof, and you would need far more than the 10-20 attempts your mormon friends have made.
I take a fictional book I made up, with something about a number.
And i bet, if you scoured the earth you would find something and I would find something that historically happened that would ON THE SURFACE seem to match.
I would go further so say that it would even match on another level.
But no way would the true historical archaeological or native history match.
But thats where the white supremacy comes in. Push the native history aside, and replace it with the white version.
Not long enough... Not long enough for you to come up with a definitive response. That statment is about as broad as a horoscope. You say Smith took things from the Bible, but that doesn't address what I've said.
What you say is meaningless when the Bible which IS PROVEN TO BE from history over 1500 years ago is sat on Smiths lap.
Then Smith has stuff in a book that is copied WORD FOR WORD! It is broad because the source IS BROAD. In essence you give him a free pass. Just like that stupid tree. ANY element of any numnber, whether 4, 5, 6, 7 any number on that tree could have been attributed to some Mormon nonsense.
Where are the remains of metal weapons, coins, armor, ect. Where are the temples? The only true parts of the book of Mormon are borrowed from the bible as well as other writings. Joseph Smith was no idiot When he wrote the books of the book of Mormon he did so in a way that was somewhat believable but they are clearly false claims. Neiphi, Lehi, and Moroni never existed and Jesus in the book of Mormon is NOT the same person of Jesus from the Bible. The book of Mormon is fake.
After doing more research into your stone, here is more proof it's not related to Mormonism:
The 12 "roots" of the tree, which one popular Mormon apologist identifies as perhaps representing the 12 tribes of Israel, is actually "the elongated teeth of a crocodile or earth monster," and the tree trunk "doubles as the crocodile's body..." This is the crocodile upon whose back the earth rested, and who in turn floated on the primordial sea.
A New Artistic Rendering of Izapa Stela 5 by John Clark
Two of the six human figures, including the woman, hold pointed objects. The woman is using her object to "jab a hole in her tongue to extract blood for an offering to the gods..."
The study of Irene Briggs in the 1950s is cited, in which comparisons were made for thematic and other parallels to Near Eastern themes and art. She found only five general thematic parallels and showed no connection in terms of artistic style.
Basically what I was saying in the first place, just general human similarites. Humans will generally develop similar themes and since Mormonism piggy backs Biblical stuff then steps in and takes credit FOR it, it's a form of deception every time!
Jakeman and later writers identified the old man character as Lehi based on a glyph next to the character supposed to be a jawbone (matching with the jawbone hefted by Samson when he called his place "Lehi"). However, what is next to the old man is a skull, and it is "noticeably jawless."
Fish and hummingbirds in the scene, which one popular apologist states are symbols of resurrection and eternal life, are not: the fish at least Clark says "do not make sense" and we need to check other monuments to clarify their meaning.
And to top it off, if you want to say that the Romans that early on were responsible.
Why then are Mormons (who are polytheistic) defending a faith that is closer to the Romans, than the Christians?
Wouldn't then it be that the corrupted Christianity show more elements of polytheism? But no, it is the MORMONS, with their rituals, masonry, their ideas of god being three beings, and exhaltation (godhood)... this is like the Romans.
Today's Christians are therefore vindicated BY this accusation
Also, saying that they aren't christian beause they're polytheists doesn't mean they aren't christian. Jews are monotheists, yet they don't believe jesus was the messiah, are they christian then? I mean, if believe in one god means you're christian the jews should be christian, same thing for muslims. They worship ONE god but reject jesus as the messiah, are they the true religion then?
It looks like John's statment went over your head. What makes someone Christian is wheter or not they believe in Christ.
The 1st commandment says, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." It doesn't say deny the existance of anyother spiritual being.
Satanist worship Satan and he is their god. Satan isn't my God, but I don't deny Satan's existance. Because the fact of the matter is that Satan is an actual being which some people may choose to worship. But not me...
@osirica A being is something that exists and and entity is something that exists but is independent, distinct, or self contained.
Essentially, Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost would be 3 entities. Entities with distinct features, roles, and differences.
Our government is "one" government with 3 branches, each with roles. God is one God with one purpose, made up of 3 distinct personages, each with seperate roles.
a being and an entity is the same thing as far as living goes.
You cannot find an example of a LIVING entity that is any different than a being.
Further more God's name is "I AM"... the word "AM" is from the verb "to BE" just like "being" is from the same verb "to BE". Your "entity" is not in that. So even if I agree with you, you actually cancel your own conclusion out. So fine. Entity is not "being".
God is one being. Your entity addressed on the next post:
It's like you are saying, "If I believe in the four elements, and the earth is flat... doesnt that still make me a physicist"
Man! You're so funny. Muslims aren't Christian because they don't believe JEsus is God. Jews aren't Christian because they don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
Polytheists can't even get past the basic 101. One God.
I just learned now why people say "they believe in another Jesus". Thanks John.
I would love to debate you and any other black Mormon. I'd do a 1 hr question and answer seminar. Because you guys live in lies, and deception and rationalizations.
It's a joke. And you can hide behind this textual game because there's not accountability for what you say. But a live debate, you have to be called for what you say as it happens. You don't get to make up some more lies later and come back like we forgot.
No proof. What you will find, are isolated superficial similarites in languages or some forged or coiencidental archaeolgical finds that in no way prove anything.
Everytime Mormons find some "proof" i just remember how much more "proof" Muslims have.
And Islam is on the OTHER side of the Christian issue than Mormons.
Yes, not everyone rejected Christ... that doesn't mean "NO ONE" rejected him. He was crucified by the ones that did reject him. There were still many who did NOT reject him. They became the Christians that you refuse to recognize. The Christians who suffered peresecution throughout those first 300 years. Persecution by Rome. For what? For teaching that Jesus is God, and the Son of God.
The Romans attacked them for those beliefs... so thats that.
The Apostacy is the Martyrdom of the Apostles. Did it happen? Yes.
Last time I checked they were crucified upside down.
Acknowledging the existance of Christ didn't give them the priesthood. But, they and the Pagan converts did receive persecution as a result of the Apostacy.
Therflo - The Apostacy is NOT the Martyrdom of the Apostles. That's called "Martyrdom".
The Apostacy is the abandonment of Christian principles taught by Christ. Since that never HAPPENED it's a word based on a theory that cannot be proven.
In fact, those, like you, making the accusation prove it never happened.
Jehovah Witnesses, Adventists, Landmark Baptists, Oneness Pentecostals, and you oh Mormons...
ALL of you say this happened, but ALL of you have contradictory ideas of what it was.
Sorry to burst your bubble but, you are mistaken. If that's what you want to call the Apostacy... feel free. However, what your saying is not what the Apostacy is or what the LDS church tells people it is.
Perhaps you should've done more research on the topic before commenting on it.
There are five groups that claim there was an Apostacy.
Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals, and Unitarians.
Gee Therflo, all of them say to pray to God to discover that each of them are the "truth".
It's absurd. There is no evidence of it. The killers of the Christians WERE pagans. Yet you,and your pagan religion are trying to tell me that Roman Pagans were killing Christian pagans and for whatever reason these pagans invented monotheism and then rewrote Christianity.
Yeah, but mormon or not. The romans did crucify christ and they murderer the apostles. You don't have to be mormon or islamic or whatever to know that. Now as to them being the "true" religion and praying to know. All religion that uses the bible teaches that. I mean there's a bunch of sciptures that tell you to pray to know the "Truth".
But whatever, we don't need to worry about going to hell. We already are in hell.
Apostacy is not the destruction of belief or of faith. It's the rejection thereof. And the "bashing", i'm not mormon, so don't give me that set up self pity anti mormon stuff. All religions "bash" other's religions. Look at you doing so for the mormons. Also, the romans were pagans if you studied paganism you would know that it is not even close to paganism.
Name one religion that the Christian bible bashes. Oh my mistake the Nestorians. Name another.
Listen John, what you're not getting is that is that MOrmons and MUslims base their ENTIRE religion on bashing Christians and Jews (and for Mormons, black people)
The great apostasy is a made up concept to allow a heretic to make the audience believe that his heresy was in fact orthodoxy in Christ's time.
Muslims do it, you do it, : Christ and the original bible taught that ______ was the true faith, but the Catholic church, aided by Rome, deleted those passages and destroyed those documents and wiped out the evidence. This evidence was restored by the Prophet _____ of our true Christian church which we now call ______with our book ______
at minute 3:24 you said the mormons didn't get angry at all...are you serious? the guy with the glasses was the one getting mad saying "Listen to me sir!" his buddy even tried to calm him down, cmon bro get your stuff straight and don't say anything that's going to humiliate you. XD
Those guys were a little rude and a little lacking in their Scripture knowledge. However that does not change the fact that Joseph Smith was a liar, conman, and PROVEN false prophet. The Book of Mormon is a poorly written, fictious book with not a single shred of internal or external evidence. Mormon theology is in direct contradiction to the Bible and it even conflicts with itself.
PS There is noooo way that an Apostacy could happen if any believers in God were still alive. Obviously we know that even after the death of Jesus and the Apostles there were many Christians throughout all centuries. How can the Apostacy happen when not every believer denyed Him and fell away from the church?
@courdillia that is wrong. The believers fell into apostasy over and over again in the old testament. Just like when Christ died, the foundation of the church that Christ set before his death was killed. Then the "believers" had to determine their own doctrine and they all fell away. The result? Thousands and thousands of "christian" churches
Apostasy is the formal religious disaffiliation or abandonment or renunciation of one's religion, especially if the motive is deemed unworthy. That said, you used the word apostasy incorrectly. Secondly, no one knows for certain how any of the apostles died, not even Judas Iscariot who either hung himself or burst open on a field : Matthew 27:3-8 vs. Acts 1:18-19. "They say" or "those people" agree isn't an actual source, instead it's hearsay from the deluded. Got research?
@Naked4Jesus you're still leaving out the whole gap between Jesus's death and the formation of the Mormon church in which there apparently was an Apostacy. Now you ahve yet to answer my question. If that fact is true than who was Martin Luther? Someone who influenced the KJV, a book that Part of the "quad" in the 1500's. The Mormon Church wasn't even founded until 1830. So those who lived during those some 300 years were just unliucky and had no chance of salvation?
@courdillia You want me to fill the gap between the death of Christ and the LDS Church? Ok, the apostolic succession went from Peter, to Linus, to Clement, to Anacletus, to Evaristus, then LOST. After that point, there was no leadership for the Church of God. The people in between that point and 1830 when the LDS Church was formed were in the Dark Ages. That is the reason why the bible mentions Baptism for the Dead. So the people who never heard the true word of God could receive salvation.
@Naked4Jesus and secondly, I didn't even bring up anything about the Apostles death, but since you claim that no one knows for certain how they died, alow my to explain:
James, beheaded, John, old age, Nathaniel was flayed alive and then beheaded, Matthew killed by a halberd, Thomas was killed by a spear, James beaten to death with a club after being crucified/stoned, Jude, Simon, Philip, Peter, and Andrew were crucified. Matthias, stoned and beheaded. What was that you said about research?
If the Apostacy happened, then who were Matrin Luther and John Calvin? You're going to sit there and honestly tell me that actual prooven events, documents that we can touch and read for ourselves, and as a result, the History of America , century's later are wrong? Buddy if you're going to make a defense for an entire religion have your facts straight and KNOW what you're talking about.
@courdillia What is your point about Martin Luther and John Calvin Courtney? They led reformations of churches because they believed that the true church was missing from the earth...
Your point only firms the case for the LDS Church.
But where does you "authority" come from? Yeah the guy was angry." do you remember what that missionary said..."do you want the BofM or what? I would suggest you go look at the video again. And passing judgement on looks...real classy.
But the apostacy you speak of (Mormon version) is not what you believe. You believe, just what that preacher stated, that "everyone" on earth denied Christ. The apostles being killed ..thats a different story. That wasn't an apostacy. Nice spin though...
You're absolutely right! He says the apostacy is simply the death of the apostles, but he doesn't say anything about what Mormons actually believe the apostacy to be, which is that the apostolic authority was lost with the death of the last apostle. Once you learn that there is NO evidence for this EVER happening, Mormonism "crashes down in a heap."
Thank you for your kind words in this video! He was talking over the boys the whole time and not letting them get a single word in. I like how at the end he said: "Some of us really believe in Joseph Smith, and they really don't believe in Jesus..." "White boys thats lost that think they believe in Jesus but really believe in Joseph Smith..." If the Elders would have been able to get a word in, they would have owned him. It's true. he was quoting scriptures that didn't make sense.
Someone who belongs to the LDS church is an extreme minority. It sets us apart from the world. It's hard to find individuals outside of the church. They seem too busy trying to be like every other non-mormon. They're all so much the same.
I hate to break it to you, but Christ was organized. He had Apostles that followed Him and fulfilled specific roles. Also the LDS church is structured after the structure Christ used to organized the church in the New Testament.
Are you saying that christ organized the mormon church because that is false. Just because people rejected christ doesnt give you the right to start a new religion. Your prophet J.smith is false, God gave prophet hood to isreal and only israel so thats how we know who is real and who is fake. It is blasphemy to preach that J.smith will be at the side of god in heaven during judgement because christ states no such thing in the bible.
Can you name one prophet that wasnt of israel according to the scriptures? If so, did they have a witness and who was the witness because how can we know thier prophesy is legitimate? Its not hard to tell Joseph Smith was a false prophet, the scriptures are complete their is no need for J.Smiths testimony, especially since he was a conman who was thrown in jail for deceiving many people. Dont be decieved.
@therflo13 yeah its easy to say we can set up the church like what we read in the bible. Does not make it true. I can get a group of people and set up an organization of any sort, doesn't mean I have that same authority as that "copied" organization. You guys have no authority than anyone else..and thats fact.
Check out Ethiopian World Net! he has great vids on certain subjects. and do more research on Haile Selassie, he did not claim to be god yes! but he was Christ in his Kingly Character! and has wayyy more qualifications that Joseph Smith! I could not follow a racist white man who believed in Skin curses and practiced paligamy my dude! Get back into the word! Even learn the hebrew, or the Aramaic or ethiopian Gee'z and allot of things will open up 2 you. The B.O.M is NOT accurate! Blessing to you!
Off from the truths of the early Bible and early church. # 2 Joseph smith was on sum pediphile stuff, do the proper research, he married women as young as 14, NOT COOL! You have sooooo many people who are Wayyyy more qualified to be called a Prophet than Joseph smith. How can you be a Black Mormon?? Like seriously? there is barley any acialogical evidence to show that these civilizations in the B.O.M ever existed! Listen my bro cus we need ppl like you in the true FAITH OF CHRIST! Not Mormonism!
Well I jus wanted to inform you that Haile Selassie was NOT catholic, He was a Ethiopian Eastern Orthodox Christian Tewahedo, and no Marcus Garvey shown us a clear example of how the Black African should think some what. I believe in Yashua the Christ and pray to him. But the mormon faith is NOT for the Black african my brother you must come out of this. # 1 the church does not Keep the 7th day sabbath, nor do they practice dietary laws, so that right there should tell you dat Mormonism is kinda
yo let me ask you somethin..off topic, (i already took out this guy on the whole black mormanism stuff). yea im half kenyan and so i know about the ethiopian coptic church. but yea why do rastafari believe sellassie to be christ?..i mean he publicly stated that he was not the messiah, he beleived in jesus christ being Gods son so why do rastafari's believe him to be God incarnate when the man died?.
I just saw this comment now, and wanted to comment. GANJABABYY wrote "Haile Selassie was NOT Catholic, he was an Ethiopian Eastern Orthodox Christian".
It is true that Selassie was not a *Roman* Catholic (i.e. he was not in communion with the Vatican), but the Ethiopian Orthodox Church does consider itself the Catholic Church (they recite creeds which affirm their belief in the Catholic Church, though they reject Rome's claim to being the Catholic Church).
OSIRICA, what I was saying was that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (like the rest of the so-called "Oriental Orthodox" or "Monophysite" churches) considers itself to be the Catholic Church of antiquity, of the Council of Nicaea, et cetera. It was in response to the claim made by the person using the name "GanjaBabyy," that Haile Selassie was not a Catholic. He was not a Roman Catholic, but he almost certainly would have considered himself a member of the Catholic Church.
OSIRICA, what I was saying was that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (like the rest of the so-called "Oriental Orthodox" or "Monophysite" churches) considers itself to be the Catholic Church of antiquity, of the Council of Nicaea, et cetera.
My statement was in response to the claim made by the person using the name "GanjaBabyy," that Haile Selassie was not a Catholic. He was not a /Roman Catholic/, but he almost certainly would have considered himself a member of the Catholic Church.
OSIRICA, again, while Catholic does mean "universal," it is not merely meant in that sense when it is used by the Roman, Orthodox or Monophysite churches. When the Ethiopian Orthodox Church calls itself the Catholic Church, it does not merely mean it in some vague, cloudy sense of "universal". On the contrary, it means it is specifically that very visible, hierarchical Catholic Church which held the Council of Nicaea.
OSIRICA, I don't think the point is irrelevant to what the person using the name "GanjaBaby" wrote. He said that Haile Selassie was not a Catholic. I was clarifying that while he was not a /Roman/ Catholic (i.e. he was not in communion with the Vatican), his Church nonetheless claimed to be THE Catholic Church, thus he would have considered himself a Catholic.
Also, on a side note, the RCC and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church do not differ on Nicaea. They differed on Chalcedon.
OSIRICA, actually, all the denominations do not call themselves "Catholic". A great many modern Protestant groups go out of their way to insist that they are /not/ Catholic, and, more importantly, that they have nothing to do with the Church at the Council of Nicaea. I was merely noting that Selassie's church descends from that Church which was at Nicaea, and is open and explicit in claiming to be /that/ Church. So, contrary to the claim I responded to, Selassie considered himself Catholic.
OSIRICA, when you say "we know all that," apparently the person employing the name "GanjaBabyy" is not included in that "we". I was originally responding to /his/ comment.
And I know that Selassie did not consider himself a /Roman/ Catholic (i.e. he was not in communion with the Vatican). I myself said that before you even commented on my posts, and said it a couple times more /afterwards/. So if you were just trying to convince me that he was not with the RCC, that was never in dispute.
also Joseph Smith was a FREEMASON, HE became one on March 14th 1842, around this time he came up with the Mormon Endowment ceremony! But Joseph Smith was into the occult.Listen if you wana look for a great man research Haile Selassie or Marcus Garvey, or many more people who gave direct prophecies, even Ellen G. White, not Joseph Smith?? also he had 27 wives!!! some of whom were married! Mormon historians can give account for this! WHILE u can start reading your bible and learn man.
i get you my brother but yo haile selassie was just a decendant of solomon. he never claimed to be God he was catholic all the way. and marcus garvey was too me a pre-civil rights activist even before MLK and malcom. but forget these men..forget them..research the most important man who ever lived, who never had 27 wives,nor sinned,nor cared about race. Jesus son of mary the 1st, alpha and omega, the prince of peace..for he said.."before abraham..I AM".
Smith was a 32 degree Freemason and so was Young. At that time the overwhelming majority of Masons were Protestant Christians. It is a requirment to believe in God in order to become a Freemason.
well bro keep looking deeper, there is Many diff racist material, check Your Mormon Church history books! My friend you are highly intelligent why are you a Mormon? dis faith is full of MAJOR inconsistencies, not only does the B.O.M not have any Archaeological evidence, but Joseph cannot be trusted and Was killed for his Blasphemous work against the Most High Yah. You should look deeper, your young and have sence, but 2 be Mormon when you know better is jus Backwards to me!
john the baptist dressed in animal skins and had wild hair..does that look like a preacher. lol the fat morman on the left said "hey listen to me!". They looked physically upset, while the black preacher was having a good time. second the preachers quote comes str8 from the bible luke 21:15 "for i will give you a mouth... the correct book...2 john 1:10. read it up yourself. You are correct many doctrines are quoted in the bible including the books of enoch, maccabees,wisdom of solomon...etc
The masculine plural ending does not mean "gods" when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26).
yeah it does mean "god'S" the true god of isreal is yahweh not elohim.... 'IM is a plural...
the hebrews barrowed so many stories from surrounding cultures man... you need to research on more stuff if you want to be an effective prostelatizer.... sorry bro but you suck at research...
We do rely on the Atonement of Christ. And stress the point that He is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. And that He is our intercessor between us and the Father. We follow His teachings. Which is why the church is named after Him. And we pray in His name.
If Jesus didn't pray to himself, why would you pray to him. Shouldn't you be "Christ like and pray to who he prayed to? The trinity sounds to me like blasfeme...
And, what is your take on the information you received? Because the story of Jesus seems to be a repeat of many other stories before his... Also, do you guys believe in the father, the son, and the holy spirit? Ya know, the trinity...
I don't remember all of the movie. It's not that I have memory problems, it's that I've seen so many other movies since then.
We believe that they are seperate divine beings that are one in purpose. We pray to the Father in the name of His Son through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Christ prayed but not to himself. Also in Acts 7:55-56 Stephen sees Christ standing to the right of Heavanly Father.
it's pretty folish for a black person to be a mormon.
jayhawk88z 2 months ago
@jayhawk88z No it is NOT foolish for a black person to be a Mormon! You obviously don't know anything about the LDS church or it's doctrines!!! As I've said a million times, the LDS church has the fulness of the Gospel and will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church! The LDS church offers more spiritually for blacks THAN ANY OTHER CHURCH!!!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 I grew up in the LDS church, and a lot of my family are members of the church. So speaking from firsthand experience I strongly disagree. In the book of Mormon it is said that god turned the skin of the Lamanites dark to show that they were wicked. It actually calls it a "curse". I will have no part in a religion that justifies racial discrimination. And the Mormon Church RARLEY (almost never) uses the bible. I know this because I went for almost 13 years.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 Yes I know it's called a curse, etc. but it still doesn't mean the church isn't true, and you are misunderstanding what this means!!! It's not like we go around hating black people and calling them cursed!!! And we DO use the Bible! I've been a member for 30 years and we use the Bible all the time! Haven't you been to Gospel Doctrine classes?? Every year they rotate, teaching the OT, the NT, the Book of Mormon, and D&C! We use the Bible ALL THE TIME! In Relief Society and (more)
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 and Priesthood discussions, home teaching and visiting teaching, EVERYTHING! The LDS church will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church! And it offers more spiritually for blacks than any other church! As the blacks in the church! We have the fulness of the Gospel! The blacks stay in the church for eternal life!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 i have done and seen all of this. they will read small peices of the bible and then show you a place in the book of mormon where it relates and spend the next three hours talking about the book of mormon with the bible in their hand. and as for black american, it is up to them. and i never said mormons hate black people, but that does not excuse the writings. they are still there. and just so you know, from experience, Islam offers more for black people than the LDS church.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 That is so not true!!! As I said, we rotate the scriptures! I remember when we were studying the OT and our assignment for the next week was to read Genesis, which EVERYBODY DID! And then we read the next book in the OT and the next and the next, etc. And the following year we studied the NT and read the entire thing!!! This happens ALL THE TIME!!!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 And yes the writings talk about 'curses" and things like that, but that is the scriptural term and this needs to be studied in the right context. Of COURSE to the average person it's going to sound HORRIBLE! how could it not??? But when you understand the Gospel and have a testimony, etc. you are going to know what these things mean!!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 You are telling me I do not understand, and have not tied to understand the scriptures, but you have no idea the amount of time and effort I poured into the church. Are you trying to make me seem ignorant? I do not agree with you, we can leave it at that and move on with our lives.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 Well what you are saying is not true, because Mormons read the Bible ALL THE TIME!!!! And the church is NOT RACIST!!!!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 Well maybe I was going to the wrong Mormon Church because we almost never opened the bible. Never, not in 13 years. We always talked about it. Never read from it for more than a minute or two, never gave testimony to the bible, only to the book of Mormon, and we never taught from it. NEVER. I am sorry but that is what happened while I was in the church.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 I can't believe it! What church did you go to, may I ask? I've been in several wards and we always use it, and it is official church stuff to rotate the gospel doctrine meetings using the Bible and Book of Mormon, etc, year after year. This should be the same in all wards, all over the world!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 i have attenede one ward near lewiston, ID and 3 seperate wards near Spokane, WA. if you think i am a liar, i am not. i have attended many other churches as well. i have also rwad from many religous texts, and educated myself on relions of other cultures. i am not some silly boy sitting at a computer talking nonsence ans=d creating stories. i am sorry that we disagree but it is not going to change.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 I believe you. But I still am shocked that you hardly ever used the Bible. That should not be the case! the LDS church will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 all i ever felt while attending the church was uneasy. i never felt right in the church and no matter what i did it never went away. i am glad that you have found a way to become close with Christ, and i think it is great that you believe so strongly in the LDS church, but it is not the same for everyone.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 Thanks, I appreciate your comment. I am sorry you felt the way you did. Would you like to hear my conversion story? I can email it to you if you want. Just let me know.
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 i am always willing to learn more. if you send me a message on youtube i will respond.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 Well now after reading your replies to me on that pot board, I'm really upset! I didn't know that you felt that way about marijuana! Here I am trying to help people make a difference in their lives and understand why we shouldn't use drugs, and you just tore me down! Oh this makes me so mad!!!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 im sorry you feel that way, but i never tore you down.
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
@jamnjosh91 And ISLAM???? Islam doesn't have the Priesthood! It doesn't have the fulness of the gospel! It's not the true church!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 If Jesus Christ had wanted an Aaronic Priesthood, he would have created it. a boy does not have to follow the teachings of man, as well as serve members of his comunity to bcome one whit a god. the kingdom of go is within the person who seeks it. it is a personal, spiritual conection with the universe and all things within it. as for Islam not being true, have you read the Qur'ran?
jamnjosh91 4 weeks ago
"YOU DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A PREACHER". WHAT DOES A PREACHER LOOK LIKE?
fungial 9 months ago
You certainly don't know anything of the Bible in full context. Galations 1 vers. 6-8 says you can't accept any other gospel for it is accursed. The Mormons tend to over talk over any normal person as you must have missed the Mormon with the glasses in the video that you're talking tries to over talk the Georgian preacher as you can her the Mormon said HEY YOU LISTEN TO ME as if that is some sort of cult like order. It's all a cult dude.
ukiahcat 9 months ago
Bottom line, the Bible is complete all by itself. All Scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
agape1954 11 months ago
wow this guy is so gay.
hulk54able 1 year ago
Galatians 1, 6-10 is why i will only read the bible. Books and titles dont make people right its faith.
shondell1976 1 year ago
wow dude, you are delusional!! "if those guys were to have a deep discussion about the bible they would most likely get owned by the elders"????? I have lived in a utah for 16 years and graduated from BYU as a christian, the mormons don't know squat about the bible! they can barely articulate anything about their own faith that hasnt been pounded into them since they were little. BoM, testimonies, as far as its correctly translated, I know the church is true... its all mindless regurgitaion.
dcchicken75 1 year ago
@dcchicken75 You are 100% correct! This guy in the video sucks a donkey dick.
Zapbrannigan23 1 year ago
@Zapbrannigan23 Let the Word enlighten you Galatian"s (ie) another angel bring another gospel. 1 Cor chapter 2 gives them (preachers) authority. And just for measure being killed in Christ name (apostels) is not an apostacy. the apostacy they(mormon's) speak of was the perishing of the Word and that Joseph Smith was needed to restore it. Mark 13:31 now who do you believe Jesus Christ or Josepf Smith ? I chose Jesus Christ! How about you?
pappyforyou 11 months ago
@dcchicken75 That is crazy! I'm a convert to the Mormon church for 30 years and we use the Bible all the time! The LDS church will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
Wakeup bro why would you be part of a religion that thinks you are the seed of satan come on bro are you serious they wouldnt let you even participate fully until 1978 wake up bro get serious My black brother so quick to forget who you are
drz765 1 year ago
Everything I posted to his video and wanted to say, great work...
warkilla 1 year ago
interestingly, a medium in the 19th century contacted pontius pilate but he said he had never heard of the man jesus
ffchatter 1 year ago
You're correct therflo13 on the Great Apostasy. All Orthodox, and Catholic Christians as well as most Protestants know of it. As a former Orthodox Christian(Church of Antioch/See of Antioch) we are taught all the doctrines, and theological arguements in the first 800 years of Christianity. Examples:The Canon of Scripture, two natures of Christ, Apostolic Succession, The Nicene Creed, The Theotokos title for the Virgin Mary, etc. These and many more doctrines were hammered out over 7 Councils.
stevennewnan 1 year ago
The missionaries were put in their place for pandering the pathetic prophetic of the young, upstart religion that batters & bastardizes Bible belief called Mormonism. Mormons have a minimalist grasp of the glory of God. They distort & devalue Who God Is. To Christians who are jealous & zealous to ascribe to God the beauty, honor & power due His Name such is totally unacceptable & should be challenged & countered for the cause of Christ - not for a church, a cult, a corporation.
Shulamitefire 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege "Enough people at that time rejected him that something was done and He was killed."
I'm forced to conclude that you have never been part of the actual LDS church.
This is pointless. You just don't seem to understand what's being presented.
therflo13 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege What I've been taught is in the guide book for missionaries called Preach My Gospel.
Either you are very old and have trouble hearing, or have A.D.D...
This guy didn't know his scripture well enough. Heck, anyone who's seen The Passion of the Christ knows the Roman Empire didn't want to kill Christ. And that they just wanted to stop an uprising of the masses.
therflo13 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege The mormon don't teach that everyone rejected Him.
They teach that enough people rejected Him for Him to be killed (just like in the video).
The Roman government didn't want to kill Him. They did it to appease the masses and prevent a revolt.
therflo13 1 year ago
@Ingle92protege Ok what's your point?
If it regards the Apostasy, then what does that have to do with it?
The Apostasy is the martyrdom of Christ and the Apostles.
Did the Apostasy happen? Yes.
Did the Apostles die? Yep, and they still are.
therflo13 1 year ago
Christ like when he was over turning the money changers tables?
MarcoRaimondi33 1 year ago
@MarcoRaimondi33
That's when he was the epidomy of Christ! Don't forget that he wove 3 whips together.
therflo13 1 year ago
What does a preacher look like?
MarcoRaimondi33 1 year ago
good response video. Thats exactly the way I saw it as well.
Origin305 1 year ago 4
Nite nite, see you next time.
:)
:D
osirica 2 years ago
So lets find out what the difference between "person" and "personage" is.
Lets just start there.
osirica 2 years ago
Your "entity" is simply a sidestep to "personhood" and a type of "modalism".
A "government" is a non living apparatus, it has no life, no being in itself. It's a bad analogy.
"Features roles and differences" cannot "love one another".
Then you say "personages" instead of "person". Why? YOU don't even know, because a "personage" means what?
Till you can answer THAT, yoou have nothing.
osirica 2 years ago
@osirica
I get the feeling that you don't know what you are talking about.
If the simile went over your head then perhaps I'm a bit too advanced for you.
therflo13 1 year ago
@therflo13 I don't even begin to take your egotistical response seriously. But they have trained you well to substitute a real answer for self indulgent arrogance.
A government is not a being, it is not capable of love nor of responding to love. Nor features, nor roles.
YOU don't know what you are talking about and you are actually trying to use "Lightness" as a way to seem justified in continuing on.
Feel free to explain how your "government, features, and role" can love another. LOL
osirica 1 year ago
What did Black people ever do to anyone that white people had to invent this notion that the "mark" on Cain was black skin?
Nothing.
Why do Mormons defend a made up notion that came from, not the Bible, but from racist interpretations outside the Bible.
How then does anyone respect Mormonism, after it has internalized this interpretation, as so far as to insert it as "biblical verses" in a revised edition of the Bible? It's then copied into their scripture "Book of Moses"? What a shame.
osirica 2 years ago
Here is the thing the book of Mormon is false. The stories in the book of Mormon have no historical evidence to back them up. The book is a lie and since Satan is the father of the lie the book is from Satan.
mbphlover 2 years ago
There is however archaeological evidence. The Izapa Stela 5, which is a stone found in Mexico. It depicts Lehi's vision of The Tree of Life.
There is also anthropologic evidnece. Cladestic analysis of Native American skulls suggest that the ancient Red Men of Japan are their decendents. Thus supporting statments made in the Book of Mormon.
Also the structures made in Ohio by the Hopewell indians match the descriptions of structures and fortifications from the BoM.
There are also the
therflo13 2 years ago
Oh Thereflo it's been a long time.
Ok, Izapa Stela 5 does not depict Lehi's vision of the tree of life.
The concept of a tree of life is very widespread in the world. Again, Smith's fictional book of Mormon took a lot of elements from the BIBLE (the tree of Life is in the Bible and Smith took it from THERE).
What Mormon scholars did was take what they say in the stela and conjure up their own interpretation of how it "could" mean this and that in a mormon context.
They could do anything.
osirica 2 years ago
The Izapa Stela has elements that do not have any direct correlation to the Lehi story. It's that they find symbolism among the image by any means necessary. Not due to any demonstrated evidence, or relation to the culture.
Those 6 vines, they could have been 7 vines and still Mormons would have made that mean something. But there are six. Before assuming it's Mormon, did they learn more about Izapa mythology to see what THEY say THEIR history relates the six vines to?
No. and here's why...
osirica 2 years ago
@osirica Let's not forget about the tree in the center of the stone. I'm not saying that that fact proves everything but it completly rebuts your statment. "The Izapa Stela has elements that do not have any direct correlation to the Lehi story."
There is a tree in both. It is a fact and at least one correlation. Thus disproving your statement.
therflo13 2 years ago
The tree has a coiencidental similarity merely by the number of branches.
Thats it.
Just like the four canopic jars in the facsimile and the lion headed armed couch. Smith got it from the Bible, copied into his book, then sees an Egyptian papyrus. Instead of simply linking Egypt directlyl to the Bible, Mormons use his book as a segway. Oh wow, how clever. Step in and take all credit, in a circular way. I write a book, make up anything, find anything on earth with the superficial similarity.
osirica 2 years ago
"The Izapa Stela has elements that do not have any direct correlation to the Lehi story."
Thats my statement.
Your response is like this "There are coiencidental similarities"
So coiencidental similarities is sufficient for you to conclude a direct coorelation. So if I did write a fictional book about whatever, and somewhere somewhere a tribe of people have some superficial similarities in any way to my fictional account...
YOU would say "Oh that's a direct coorelation"... to my BOOK?
osirica 2 years ago
The reason why Mormons don't look deeper into the Native cultures, when finding artifacts that superficially resemble their fairy tale book is this:
People of color, esp. Native Americans are like mute accessories to racist attitudes. They have used Native American cultures as a tool for their undertakings ever since Joseph Smith.
Notice how no Mormon will ever bring a Native person of any credibility of the culture to back them up. No, they don't ask the Izapa. They push their agenda first.
osirica 2 years ago
So you will always have a Mormon say "oh look this is evidence", when they only have the artifact itself (which without any study is just a picture from some ancient culture), then among all of the symbolism and stories (many based on Biblical things) in Mormon writings, you will find a superficial connection.
So then instead of investigating IF IT IS ACCURATE. No Mormons first insist it "must be" without any further research, then the actual proof that it's false... well that's just "bias".
osirica 2 years ago
"Proof" which we've been waiting for...
therflo13 2 years ago
YOu are the one that has to provide proof. You're waiting for me to provide proof that something is not true.
YOU made the claim YOU have to prove it.
I can easily prove the events in the Bible overwhelmingly are true by going to the middle east and showing you millions of documented archaeological proofs.
You cannot find ONE proof, and you would need far more than the 10-20 attempts your mormon friends have made.
osirica 2 years ago
@osirica Thanks for the assumption and you opinion.
therflo13 2 years ago
I take a fictional book I made up, with something about a number.
And i bet, if you scoured the earth you would find something and I would find something that historically happened that would ON THE SURFACE seem to match.
I would go further so say that it would even match on another level.
But no way would the true historical archaeological or native history match.
But thats where the white supremacy comes in. Push the native history aside, and replace it with the white version.
osirica 2 years ago
Not long enough... Not long enough for you to come up with a definitive response. That statment is about as broad as a horoscope. You say Smith took things from the Bible, but that doesn't address what I've said.
therflo13 2 years ago
What you say is meaningless when the Bible which IS PROVEN TO BE from history over 1500 years ago is sat on Smiths lap.
Then Smith has stuff in a book that is copied WORD FOR WORD! It is broad because the source IS BROAD. In essence you give him a free pass. Just like that stupid tree. ANY element of any numnber, whether 4, 5, 6, 7 any number on that tree could have been attributed to some Mormon nonsense.
It's all just picking and choosing.
osirica 2 years ago
Where are the remains of metal weapons, coins, armor, ect. Where are the temples? The only true parts of the book of Mormon are borrowed from the bible as well as other writings. Joseph Smith was no idiot When he wrote the books of the book of Mormon he did so in a way that was somewhat believable but they are clearly false claims. Neiphi, Lehi, and Moroni never existed and Jesus in the book of Mormon is NOT the same person of Jesus from the Bible. The book of Mormon is fake.
mbphlover 2 years ago
They don't care.
They also pretend that Smith did it alone. "Oh he couldn't even read" they say. Yes, another Muslim routine. The same argument made for Muhammad.
Smith got stuff from Islamic Egypt, and no doubt he got ideas from the Bible, Quran, and god knows what else. Him, Cowdry, and the other two guys.
His uncle was a writer of a book that had already explored the fictional possibility of Jews coming to America.
Gee what a coiencidence.
osirica 2 years ago
After doing more research into your stone, here is more proof it's not related to Mormonism:
The 12 "roots" of the tree, which one popular Mormon apologist identifies as perhaps representing the 12 tribes of Israel, is actually "the elongated teeth of a crocodile or earth monster," and the tree trunk "doubles as the crocodile's body..." This is the crocodile upon whose back the earth rested, and who in turn floated on the primordial sea.
A New Artistic Rendering of Izapa Stela 5 by John Clark
osirica 2 years ago
More
Two of the six human figures, including the woman, hold pointed objects. The woman is using her object to "jab a hole in her tongue to extract blood for an offering to the gods..."
osirica 2 years ago
The study of Irene Briggs in the 1950s is cited, in which comparisons were made for thematic and other parallels to Near Eastern themes and art. She found only five general thematic parallels and showed no connection in terms of artistic style.
Basically what I was saying in the first place, just general human similarites. Humans will generally develop similar themes and since Mormonism piggy backs Biblical stuff then steps in and takes credit FOR it, it's a form of deception every time!
osirica 2 years ago
Jakeman and later writers identified the old man character as Lehi based on a glyph next to the character supposed to be a jawbone (matching with the jawbone hefted by Samson when he called his place "Lehi"). However, what is next to the old man is a skull, and it is "noticeably jawless."
osirica 2 years ago
Fish and hummingbirds in the scene, which one popular apologist states are symbols of resurrection and eternal life, are not: the fish at least Clark says "do not make sense" and we need to check other monuments to clarify their meaning.
osirica 2 years ago
And to top it off, if you want to say that the Romans that early on were responsible.
Why then are Mormons (who are polytheistic) defending a faith that is closer to the Romans, than the Christians?
Wouldn't then it be that the corrupted Christianity show more elements of polytheism? But no, it is the MORMONS, with their rituals, masonry, their ideas of god being three beings, and exhaltation (godhood)... this is like the Romans.
Today's Christians are therefore vindicated BY this accusation
osirica 2 years ago
Also, saying that they aren't christian beause they're polytheists doesn't mean they aren't christian. Jews are monotheists, yet they don't believe jesus was the messiah, are they christian then? I mean, if believe in one god means you're christian the jews should be christian, same thing for muslims. They worship ONE god but reject jesus as the messiah, are they the true religion then?
Johnwatsis 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA!
ROTFLOL!
LLOOLLLLLL
Oh man, that was hilarious
"They are polytheists, doesn't mean they aren't Christian"
Oh hah hahhhahh! Oh man. Whew, (wiping tears from my eyes)
Riddle me this (give me another laff) what would it take for one to not be Christian.
OK the thing is this, it's the first commandment to acknowledge God as the only God.
osirica 2 years ago
@orsica
It looks like John's statment went over your head. What makes someone Christian is wheter or not they believe in Christ.
The 1st commandment says, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." It doesn't say deny the existance of anyother spiritual being.
Satanist worship Satan and he is their god. Satan isn't my God, but I don't deny Satan's existance. Because the fact of the matter is that Satan is an actual being which some people may choose to worship. But not me...
therflo13 2 years ago
Therflo - Mormons believe that there are three beings.
What is the difference between a "being" and an "entity". How can one God be more than one entity?
And if more than one entity, then what is God "one" of?
Trinitarianism denotes God as being one BEING, one ENTITY, only three persons.
osirica 2 years ago
@osirica A being is something that exists and and entity is something that exists but is independent, distinct, or self contained.
Essentially, Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost would be 3 entities. Entities with distinct features, roles, and differences.
Our government is "one" government with 3 branches, each with roles. God is one God with one purpose, made up of 3 distinct personages, each with seperate roles.
Christ never prayed to Himself...
therflo13 2 years ago
Your kidding.
a being and an entity is the same thing as far as living goes.
You cannot find an example of a LIVING entity that is any different than a being.
Further more God's name is "I AM"... the word "AM" is from the verb "to BE" just like "being" is from the same verb "to BE". Your "entity" is not in that. So even if I agree with you, you actually cancel your own conclusion out. So fine. Entity is not "being".
God is one being. Your entity addressed on the next post:
osirica 2 years ago
It's like you are saying, "If I believe in the four elements, and the earth is flat... doesnt that still make me a physicist"
Man! You're so funny. Muslims aren't Christian because they don't believe JEsus is God. Jews aren't Christian because they don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
Polytheists can't even get past the basic 101. One God.
I just learned now why people say "they believe in another Jesus". Thanks John.
osirica 2 years ago
Therflo,
I would love to debate you and any other black Mormon. I'd do a 1 hr question and answer seminar. Because you guys live in lies, and deception and rationalizations.
It's a joke. And you can hide behind this textual game because there's not accountability for what you say. But a live debate, you have to be called for what you say as it happens. You don't get to make up some more lies later and come back like we forgot.
osirica 2 years ago
See how easy it is?
No proof. What you will find, are isolated superficial similarites in languages or some forged or coiencidental archaeolgical finds that in no way prove anything.
Everytime Mormons find some "proof" i just remember how much more "proof" Muslims have.
And Islam is on the OTHER side of the Christian issue than Mormons.
osirica 2 years ago
2 john 1:10
bradsam 2 years ago
:30 - you made a big mistake.
Yes, not everyone rejected Christ... that doesn't mean "NO ONE" rejected him. He was crucified by the ones that did reject him. There were still many who did NOT reject him. They became the Christians that you refuse to recognize. The Christians who suffered peresecution throughout those first 300 years. Persecution by Rome. For what? For teaching that Jesus is God, and the Son of God.
The Romans attacked them for those beliefs... so thats that.
osirica 2 years ago
@osirica
The Apostacy is the Martyrdom of the Apostles. Did it happen? Yes.
Last time I checked they were crucified upside down.
Acknowledging the existance of Christ didn't give them the priesthood. But, they and the Pagan converts did receive persecution as a result of the Apostacy.
therflo13 2 years ago
Therflo - The Apostacy is NOT the Martyrdom of the Apostles. That's called "Martyrdom".
The Apostacy is the abandonment of Christian principles taught by Christ. Since that never HAPPENED it's a word based on a theory that cannot be proven.
In fact, those, like you, making the accusation prove it never happened.
Jehovah Witnesses, Adventists, Landmark Baptists, Oneness Pentecostals, and you oh Mormons...
ALL of you say this happened, but ALL of you have contradictory ideas of what it was.
osirica 2 years ago
Sorry to burst your bubble but, you are mistaken. If that's what you want to call the Apostacy... feel free. However, what your saying is not what the Apostacy is or what the LDS church tells people it is.
Perhaps you should've done more research on the topic before commenting on it.
therflo13 2 years ago
There are five groups that claim there was an Apostacy.
Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals, and Unitarians.
Gee Therflo, all of them say to pray to God to discover that each of them are the "truth".
It's absurd. There is no evidence of it. The killers of the Christians WERE pagans. Yet you,and your pagan religion are trying to tell me that Roman Pagans were killing Christian pagans and for whatever reason these pagans invented monotheism and then rewrote Christianity.
osirica 2 years ago
Yeah, but mormon or not. The romans did crucify christ and they murderer the apostles. You don't have to be mormon or islamic or whatever to know that. Now as to them being the "true" religion and praying to know. All religion that uses the bible teaches that. I mean there's a bunch of sciptures that tell you to pray to know the "Truth".
But whatever, we don't need to worry about going to hell. We already are in hell.
Johnwatsis 2 years ago
They didn't stop the Apostles from getting the message out. Paul lived for many years, wrote many letters, as did Thomas and the others.
There was no great apostacy just because the apostles were killed.
Apostacy is the notion that what they intended to be taught was lost due to external forces.
And again, Mormon, Muslims, etc, their entire RELIGION is based on insisting that Christianity was corrupt from a great apostacy.
That is a crying shame, that your faith relies on bashing mine.
osirica 2 years ago
Apostacy is not the destruction of belief or of faith. It's the rejection thereof. And the "bashing", i'm not mormon, so don't give me that set up self pity anti mormon stuff. All religions "bash" other's religions. Look at you doing so for the mormons. Also, the romans were pagans if you studied paganism you would know that it is not even close to paganism.
Johnwatsis 2 years ago
Name one religion that the Christian bible bashes. Oh my mistake the Nestorians. Name another.
Listen John, what you're not getting is that is that MOrmons and MUslims base their ENTIRE religion on bashing Christians and Jews (and for Mormons, black people)
osirica 2 years ago
So much hate.
Johnwatsis 2 years ago
No matter how you look at it, racism is awful, but the Mormon church has taken it to a new level.
What makes Mormon church's racism so awful are the following two points.
They justified racism in the name of God.
They still refuse to apologize.
osirica 2 years ago
continuing...
The great apostasy is a made up concept to allow a heretic to make the audience believe that his heresy was in fact orthodoxy in Christ's time.
Muslims do it, you do it, : Christ and the original bible taught that ______ was the true faith, but the Catholic church, aided by Rome, deleted those passages and destroyed those documents and wiped out the evidence. This evidence was restored by the Prophet _____ of our true Christian church which we now call ______with our book ______
osirica 2 years ago
Research... i.e. something you should've done more of.
therflo13 2 years ago
They were crucified by polytheistic multiple god believing ROMANS.
In other words, the killers of the Apostles share the same beliefs as Mormons:
They believe in more than one God.
Again, reminding you, just because something happened, doesn't mean it happened the way you assume.
Who persecuted them? Pagan Romans! Not "some other Apostates of Christianity"
osirica 2 years ago
at minute 3:24 you said the mormons didn't get angry at all...are you serious? the guy with the glasses was the one getting mad saying "Listen to me sir!" his buddy even tried to calm him down, cmon bro get your stuff straight and don't say anything that's going to humiliate you. XD
heribertoc9 2 years ago
@heribertoc9
You must lead a pretty tame life to think that mildly firm language is anger... He wasn't yelling or cussing him out. So....
therflo13 2 years ago
ok dude, first off if you were debating face to face with that georgia preacher you would be choking on your words so quit acting tough on youtube
heribertoc9 2 years ago
@heribertoc9
Yawn...
therflo13 2 years ago
yawn? lol the dude was angry, bottom line man :) i already beat you in this game, what else do you wanna tell me?
heribertoc9 2 years ago
Those guys were a little rude and a little lacking in their Scripture knowledge. However that does not change the fact that Joseph Smith was a liar, conman, and PROVEN false prophet. The Book of Mormon is a poorly written, fictious book with not a single shred of internal or external evidence. Mormon theology is in direct contradiction to the Bible and it even conflicts with itself.
Search "False Prophesies of Joseph Smith".
Dhumm81 2 years ago
PS There is noooo way that an Apostacy could happen if any believers in God were still alive. Obviously we know that even after the death of Jesus and the Apostles there were many Christians throughout all centuries. How can the Apostacy happen when not every believer denyed Him and fell away from the church?
courdillia 2 years ago
@courdillia that is wrong. The believers fell into apostasy over and over again in the old testament. Just like when Christ died, the foundation of the church that Christ set before his death was killed. Then the "believers" had to determine their own doctrine and they all fell away. The result? Thousands and thousands of "christian" churches
subalphalf 2 years ago
Apostasy is the formal religious disaffiliation or abandonment or renunciation of one's religion, especially if the motive is deemed unworthy. That said, you used the word apostasy incorrectly. Secondly, no one knows for certain how any of the apostles died, not even Judas Iscariot who either hung himself or burst open on a field : Matthew 27:3-8 vs. Acts 1:18-19. "They say" or "those people" agree isn't an actual source, instead it's hearsay from the deluded. Got research?
Naked4Jesus 2 years ago
@Naked4Jesus you're still leaving out the whole gap between Jesus's death and the formation of the Mormon church in which there apparently was an Apostacy. Now you ahve yet to answer my question. If that fact is true than who was Martin Luther? Someone who influenced the KJV, a book that Part of the "quad" in the 1500's. The Mormon Church wasn't even founded until 1830. So those who lived during those some 300 years were just unliucky and had no chance of salvation?
courdillia 2 years ago
@courdillia You want me to fill the gap between the death of Christ and the LDS Church? Ok, the apostolic succession went from Peter, to Linus, to Clement, to Anacletus, to Evaristus, then LOST. After that point, there was no leadership for the Church of God. The people in between that point and 1830 when the LDS Church was formed were in the Dark Ages. That is the reason why the bible mentions Baptism for the Dead. So the people who never heard the true word of God could receive salvation.
subalphalf 2 years ago
@Naked4Jesus and secondly, I didn't even bring up anything about the Apostles death, but since you claim that no one knows for certain how they died, alow my to explain:
James, beheaded, John, old age, Nathaniel was flayed alive and then beheaded, Matthew killed by a halberd, Thomas was killed by a spear, James beaten to death with a club after being crucified/stoned, Jude, Simon, Philip, Peter, and Andrew were crucified. Matthias, stoned and beheaded. What was that you said about research?
courdillia 2 years ago
@courdillia good work! thats right on.
subalphalf 2 years ago
If the Apostacy happened, then who were Matrin Luther and John Calvin? You're going to sit there and honestly tell me that actual prooven events, documents that we can touch and read for ourselves, and as a result, the History of America , century's later are wrong? Buddy if you're going to make a defense for an entire religion have your facts straight and KNOW what you're talking about.
courdillia 2 years ago
@courdillia What is your point about Martin Luther and John Calvin Courtney? They led reformations of churches because they believed that the true church was missing from the earth...
Your point only firms the case for the LDS Church.
subalphalf 2 years ago
But where does you "authority" come from? Yeah the guy was angry." do you remember what that missionary said..."do you want the BofM or what? I would suggest you go look at the video again. And passing judgement on looks...real classy.
lyrical77 2 years ago
But the apostacy you speak of (Mormon version) is not what you believe. You believe, just what that preacher stated, that "everyone" on earth denied Christ. The apostles being killed ..thats a different story. That wasn't an apostacy. Nice spin though...
lyrical77 2 years ago
You're absolutely right! He says the apostacy is simply the death of the apostles, but he doesn't say anything about what Mormons actually believe the apostacy to be, which is that the apostolic authority was lost with the death of the last apostle. Once you learn that there is NO evidence for this EVER happening, Mormonism "crashes down in a heap."
tdmavens 2 years ago
Thank you for your kind words in this video! He was talking over the boys the whole time and not letting them get a single word in. I like how at the end he said: "Some of us really believe in Joseph Smith, and they really don't believe in Jesus..." "White boys thats lost that think they believe in Jesus but really believe in Joseph Smith..." If the Elders would have been able to get a word in, they would have owned him. It's true. he was quoting scriptures that didn't make sense.
BergMeyster 2 years ago
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rustymente 2 years ago
Someone who belongs to the LDS church is an extreme minority. It sets us apart from the world. It's hard to find individuals outside of the church. They seem too busy trying to be like every other non-mormon. They're all so much the same.
therflo13 2 years ago
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rustymente 2 years ago
I hate to break it to you, but Christ was organized. He had Apostles that followed Him and fulfilled specific roles. Also the LDS church is structured after the structure Christ used to organized the church in the New Testament.
therflo13 2 years ago
Are you saying that christ organized the mormon church because that is false. Just because people rejected christ doesnt give you the right to start a new religion. Your prophet J.smith is false, God gave prophet hood to isreal and only israel so thats how we know who is real and who is fake. It is blasphemy to preach that J.smith will be at the side of god in heaven during judgement because christ states no such thing in the bible.
muskadime 2 years ago 3
@muskadime When did Christ say he gave the office of "Prophet" to isreal only?
You have made that up and you are a liar.
subalphalf 2 years ago
Can you name one prophet that wasnt of israel according to the scriptures? If so, did they have a witness and who was the witness because how can we know thier prophesy is legitimate? Its not hard to tell Joseph Smith was a false prophet, the scriptures are complete their is no need for J.Smiths testimony, especially since he was a conman who was thrown in jail for deceiving many people. Dont be decieved.
muskadime 2 years ago
@therflo13 yeah its easy to say we can set up the church like what we read in the bible. Does not make it true. I can get a group of people and set up an organization of any sort, doesn't mean I have that same authority as that "copied" organization. You guys have no authority than anyone else..and thats fact.
lyrical77 2 years ago
@lyrical77 Quit crying.
Don't just say "and that is fact" without any evidence.
subalphalf 2 years ago
We DO believe in Christ.....r church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints just so u know
cutecarly16 2 years ago 4
Carly, lots of people eat Grape Nuts cereal for breakfast. Just so you know - it contains neither Grapes nor Nuts - but they still call it Grape Nuts.
Just because the LDS church puts Jesus' name in the title, doesn't mean they believe in the Jesus of the Bible.
LDS: Jesus and Satan are brothers.
BIBLE: Jesus is Almighty God, Satan is a created being - the angel Lucifer.
LDS: Jesus atoned for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane.
BIBLE: Jesus atoned for our sins on the cross.
LDSUnderground 2 years ago
Do you think Jesus was able to do all of his magic tricks because of his magic underwear and never told anyone until Joey Smith figured it out
turboboy68 2 years ago
I read the book of Jay-Z and it states that he is the greatest rapper alive. I see London I see France Jesus never wore magic underpants
turboboy68 2 years ago
Check out Ethiopian World Net! he has great vids on certain subjects. and do more research on Haile Selassie, he did not claim to be god yes! but he was Christ in his Kingly Character! and has wayyy more qualifications that Joseph Smith! I could not follow a racist white man who believed in Skin curses and practiced paligamy my dude! Get back into the word! Even learn the hebrew, or the Aramaic or ethiopian Gee'z and allot of things will open up 2 you. The B.O.M is NOT accurate! Blessing to you!
GanjaBabyy 2 years ago
Off from the truths of the early Bible and early church. # 2 Joseph smith was on sum pediphile stuff, do the proper research, he married women as young as 14, NOT COOL! You have sooooo many people who are Wayyyy more qualified to be called a Prophet than Joseph smith. How can you be a Black Mormon?? Like seriously? there is barley any acialogical evidence to show that these civilizations in the B.O.M ever existed! Listen my bro cus we need ppl like you in the true FAITH OF CHRIST! Not Mormonism!
GanjaBabyy 2 years ago
lol and you need to research more also... what is your proff for a gods existance anyways?
GiftofGod18 2 years ago
Well I jus wanted to inform you that Haile Selassie was NOT catholic, He was a Ethiopian Eastern Orthodox Christian Tewahedo, and no Marcus Garvey shown us a clear example of how the Black African should think some what. I believe in Yashua the Christ and pray to him. But the mormon faith is NOT for the Black african my brother you must come out of this. # 1 the church does not Keep the 7th day sabbath, nor do they practice dietary laws, so that right there should tell you dat Mormonism is kinda
GanjaBabyy 2 years ago
yo let me ask you somethin..off topic, (i already took out this guy on the whole black mormanism stuff). yea im half kenyan and so i know about the ethiopian coptic church. but yea why do rastafari believe sellassie to be christ?..i mean he publicly stated that he was not the messiah, he beleived in jesus christ being Gods son so why do rastafari's believe him to be God incarnate when the man died?.
tksmurf 2 years ago
I just saw this comment now, and wanted to comment. GANJABABYY wrote "Haile Selassie was NOT Catholic, he was an Ethiopian Eastern Orthodox Christian".
It is true that Selassie was not a *Roman* Catholic (i.e. he was not in communion with the Vatican), but the Ethiopian Orthodox Church does consider itself the Catholic Church (they recite creeds which affirm their belief in the Catholic Church, though they reject Rome's claim to being the Catholic Church).
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
So what.
The word "Catholic" means "Universal".
Just like when Muslims swear that their denomination is THE Muslim creed. Sunni means what? THE Tradition of Muhammad...
osirica 2 years ago
OSIRICA, what I was saying was that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (like the rest of the so-called "Oriental Orthodox" or "Monophysite" churches) considers itself to be the Catholic Church of antiquity, of the Council of Nicaea, et cetera. It was in response to the claim made by the person using the name "GanjaBabyy," that Haile Selassie was not a Catholic. He was not a Roman Catholic, but he almost certainly would have considered himself a member of the Catholic Church.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
OSIRICA, what I was saying was that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (like the rest of the so-called "Oriental Orthodox" or "Monophysite" churches) considers itself to be the Catholic Church of antiquity, of the Council of Nicaea, et cetera.
My statement was in response to the claim made by the person using the name "GanjaBabyy," that Haile Selassie was not a Catholic. He was not a /Roman Catholic/, but he almost certainly would have considered himself a member of the Catholic Church.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Oh Abu whatever. It's not that big a deal.
Catholic simply means "universal". It's the ROMAN Catholic vs Catholic wording.
Lets move on because it doesnt mean anything.
osirica 2 years ago
OSIRICA, again, while Catholic does mean "universal," it is not merely meant in that sense when it is used by the Roman, Orthodox or Monophysite churches. When the Ethiopian Orthodox Church calls itself the Catholic Church, it does not merely mean it in some vague, cloudy sense of "universal". On the contrary, it means it is specifically that very visible, hierarchical Catholic Church which held the Council of Nicaea.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
I know that. But it's irrelevant at that point.
All of the branches that differed on Nicea will say "they" (and only they) are the Catholic church.
Again, the word thus means "universal" or "THE" Church.
This now becomes an endless game of semantics. Lets move on.
osirica 2 years ago
OSIRICA, I don't think the point is irrelevant to what the person using the name "GanjaBaby" wrote. He said that Haile Selassie was not a Catholic. I was clarifying that while he was not a /Roman/ Catholic (i.e. he was not in communion with the Vatican), his Church nonetheless claimed to be THE Catholic Church, thus he would have considered himself a Catholic.
Also, on a side note, the RCC and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church do not differ on Nicaea. They differed on Chalcedon.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
@AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee
And again Catholic merely means "Universal" or the "one true Church".
So explain Abu... what is the relevant point in knowing that all the denominations that differ call themselves each "Catholic" or "the church".
What is the essential point in that?
osirica 2 years ago
OSIRICA, actually, all the denominations do not call themselves "Catholic". A great many modern Protestant groups go out of their way to insist that they are /not/ Catholic, and, more importantly, that they have nothing to do with the Church at the Council of Nicaea. I was merely noting that Selassie's church descends from that Church which was at Nicaea, and is open and explicit in claiming to be /that/ Church. So, contrary to the claim I responded to, Selassie considered himself Catholic.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
Abu - WE ALL KNOW THAT!
Yes, we know that.
But when Selassie says he is "Catholic" he is NOT saying that he is "ROMAN CATHOLIC"
END OF DISCUSSION!
osirica 2 years ago
OSIRICA, when you say "we know all that," apparently the person employing the name "GanjaBabyy" is not included in that "we". I was originally responding to /his/ comment.
And I know that Selassie did not consider himself a /Roman/ Catholic (i.e. he was not in communion with the Vatican). I myself said that before you even commented on my posts, and said it a couple times more /afterwards/. So if you were just trying to convince me that he was not with the RCC, that was never in dispute.
AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee 2 years ago
also Joseph Smith was a FREEMASON, HE became one on March 14th 1842, around this time he came up with the Mormon Endowment ceremony! But Joseph Smith was into the occult.Listen if you wana look for a great man research Haile Selassie or Marcus Garvey, or many more people who gave direct prophecies, even Ellen G. White, not Joseph Smith?? also he had 27 wives!!! some of whom were married! Mormon historians can give account for this! WHILE u can start reading your bible and learn man.
GanjaBabyy 2 years ago
i get you my brother but yo haile selassie was just a decendant of solomon. he never claimed to be God he was catholic all the way. and marcus garvey was too me a pre-civil rights activist even before MLK and malcom. but forget these men..forget them..research the most important man who ever lived, who never had 27 wives,nor sinned,nor cared about race. Jesus son of mary the 1st, alpha and omega, the prince of peace..for he said.."before abraham..I AM".
tksmurf 2 years ago
I cannot deny my faith without denying Jesus Christ. I will continue to follow Christ.
therflo13 2 years ago
Smith was a 32 degree Freemason and so was Young. At that time the overwhelming majority of Masons were Protestant Christians. It is a requirment to believe in God in order to become a Freemason.
therflo13 2 years ago
well bro keep looking deeper, there is Many diff racist material, check Your Mormon Church history books! My friend you are highly intelligent why are you a Mormon? dis faith is full of MAJOR inconsistencies, not only does the B.O.M not have any Archaeological evidence, but Joseph cannot be trusted and Was killed for his Blasphemous work against the Most High Yah. You should look deeper, your young and have sence, but 2 be Mormon when you know better is jus Backwards to me!
GanjaBabyy 2 years ago
john the baptist dressed in animal skins and had wild hair..does that look like a preacher. lol the fat morman on the left said "hey listen to me!". They looked physically upset, while the black preacher was having a good time. second the preachers quote comes str8 from the bible luke 21:15 "for i will give you a mouth... the correct book...2 john 1:10. read it up yourself. You are correct many doctrines are quoted in the bible including the books of enoch, maccabees,wisdom of solomon...etc
tksmurf 2 years ago
Cool,,, Got that strait.. But are you saying that you pray to god by calling him Jesus? What is different in that? Isn't that the same blasphemy?
blackdrument 2 years ago
We call Him Heavenly Father (Elohem in Hebrew). And end the prayers, "in the name of your son Jesus Christ."
We don't pray to Jesus or Mary or any of the other people mention in the Bible or Book of Mormon.
therflo13 2 years ago
you gotn it wrong again idiot.... elohim means the "gods" " im" is plural
GiftofGod18 2 years ago
The masculine plural ending does not mean "gods" when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26).
therflo13 2 years ago
yeah it does mean "god'S" the true god of isreal is yahweh not elohim.... 'IM is a plural...
the hebrews barrowed so many stories from surrounding cultures man... you need to research on more stuff if you want to be an effective prostelatizer.... sorry bro but you suck at research...
GiftofGod18 2 years ago
We do rely on the Atonement of Christ. And stress the point that He is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. And that He is our intercessor between us and the Father. We follow His teachings. Which is why the church is named after Him. And we pray in His name.
therflo13 2 years ago
If Jesus didn't pray to himself, why would you pray to him. Shouldn't you be "Christ like and pray to who he prayed to? The trinity sounds to me like blasfeme...
blackdrument 2 years ago
It's in my last comment.
We pray to the Father, in the name of the Son, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
The trinity theory is blasphemy and isn't even mentioned in the Bible. Just like the "Raptur" isn't mentioned.
therflo13 2 years ago
And, what is your take on the information you received? Because the story of Jesus seems to be a repeat of many other stories before his... Also, do you guys believe in the father, the son, and the holy spirit? Ya know, the trinity...
blackdrument 2 years ago
I don't remember all of the movie. It's not that I have memory problems, it's that I've seen so many other movies since then.
We believe that they are seperate divine beings that are one in purpose. We pray to the Father in the name of His Son through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Christ prayed but not to himself. Also in Acts 7:55-56 Stephen sees Christ standing to the right of Heavanly Father.
therflo13 2 years ago
The movie gets Jesus's birth wrong. We celebrate His birth in December, but it's actually the festival of Saturn. Christ birth was in the spring.
therflo13 2 years ago
I'll take that. ... Did you watch "Zeitgeist"?
blackdrument 2 years ago