Well, when you get tired of being called a heretic and people make videos about you out of the blue, eventually you make a response. And so this is it.
heh it's a free internet. Don't get me wrong, I think Saunders is a toad...he's got a video up now about how glad he is that Ted Kennedy died. How sweet!
but yeah...christianity isn't supposed to be a contest, was my real point.
@ProphecyChannel All true. God cannot die either. God had to become completely human. Manifested as Jesus, God could die. This is what it means when Jesus cries out "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" My interpretation on this is that Jesus is completely letting go of all of His Godhood to save us.
Truly, we cannot comprehend that the Son and the Father are one. And yet, the Word tells us explicitely that it is so! This provides delusion, and truth.
I want to do a video about the distinctions between the Father and Son. Im speaking to CassMan about the vid about the Holy Spirit right now and he is changing my questions and then answers them incorrectly.
Jesus hungered, grew weary and died because he "the body of Jesus" died but the spirit of Christ did not die. Christ never died Jesus did. The HUMAN part died the diety did not die because the diety is Yahweh.
It was clear, ProphecyChannel. Trinitarians (& I am one) are hamstrung by bad wording in Westminster Confession. Better, is the classic Greek tres hupostases, heis ousia = Three Persons, Same Essence.
'Can't see Trinity in translation until you know the Hebrew rhetorical styles, so NT usage is confusing in translation.
Hence I empathize with the dilemma Oneness people have.
Best solution for us all is 1John1:9, ask God for proof.
Besides: people aren't heretics, doctrines are. :)
Oh, I forgot to add, ProphecyChannel: this was a good video. You're the first Oneness person I've heard in years who could articulate that doctrine well. Thanks!
BrotherMurry, Personhood is first in meaning, as even the early Church fathers knew (they invented the term treis hupostases, heis ousia, I didn't).
That's how the author of the Book of Hebrews uses it in Hebrews 1:3, 3:14, 11:1 (where hupostasis is used as a nickname for Christ, but all Bibles missed the wordplay and mistranslated the verse, see my exegesis videos on Heb11:1).
So in other words, to prove Trinitarianism, one has to depend upon extra-biblical writings? In other words, the argument for the Trinity fails to maintain status as Sola Scriptura.
NO, BrotherMurray. One does NOT have to depend on extra-Biblical writings. I cited the ORIGIN of the later Church Father's conclusions, from the Book of Hebrews, where you can see THREE USES of hupostasis to mean Christ. The exegesis of those verses is in my playlists.
Honestly, if you're looking to pick a fight and ignore Bible, count me out. I didn't post here to start an argument over Trinity, but just to say I appreciated ProphecyChannel's position, with which I empathize.
I have no desire for a fight. Fighting involves the intent of hurting someone else physically and/or emotionally. There is no need to get defensive; I have not personally attacked you. And concerning me ignoring the Bible- How can I ignore verses which you have not presented to me?
BrotherMurray, what is offensive is false accusation and quarrelsomeness. I presented the verses, and now you deny them. That's #1 Tactic of Christian taqiyya. I wasn't talking to you in my comments initially, but to ProphecyChannel. And then you want to debate the matter. So when I won't, you play the victim, #3 Tactic in Christian Taqqiya. Your opening line was #5 tactic. GOOD BYE.
You didn't present a scriptural argument but simply told me what the church fathers thought about those passages. Grow up and quit attributing Muslim tactics to everyone who disagrees with you.
christians arguing with each other about who's the better christian.
By definition, both parties fail at that point.
Insert a coin to continue play...
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago
Well, when you get tired of being called a heretic and people make videos about you out of the blue, eventually you make a response. And so this is it.
Grace to you.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
heh it's a free internet. Don't get me wrong, I think Saunders is a toad...he's got a video up now about how glad he is that Ted Kennedy died. How sweet!
but yeah...christianity isn't supposed to be a contest, was my real point.
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago
@ProphecyChannel Oneness theology seems almost exactly like Trinitarian theology. Although, I'm a oneness.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@ProphecyChannel All true. God cannot die either. God had to become completely human. Manifested as Jesus, God could die. This is what it means when Jesus cries out "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" My interpretation on this is that Jesus is completely letting go of all of His Godhood to save us.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
Truly, we cannot comprehend that the Son and the Father are one. And yet, the Word tells us explicitely that it is so! This provides delusion, and truth.
Most excellent video.
NephilimFree 2 years ago 4
I want to do a video about the distinctions between the Father and Son. Im speaking to CassMan about the vid about the Holy Spirit right now and he is changing my questions and then answers them incorrectly.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 2 years ago 2
Jesus hungered, grew weary and died because he "the body of Jesus" died but the spirit of Christ did not die. Christ never died Jesus did. The HUMAN part died the diety did not die because the diety is Yahweh.
DallasTheGreat28 2 years ago 3
I agree. I was trying to point out that Jesus spoke from humanity as well as deity. I hope that was clear.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
It was clear, ProphecyChannel. Trinitarians (& I am one) are hamstrung by bad wording in Westminster Confession. Better, is the classic Greek tres hupostases, heis ousia = Three Persons, Same Essence.
'Can't see Trinity in translation until you know the Hebrew rhetorical styles, so NT usage is confusing in translation.
Hence I empathize with the dilemma Oneness people have.
Best solution for us all is 1John1:9, ask God for proof.
Besides: people aren't heretics, doctrines are. :)
brainouty 2 years ago
Oh, I forgot to add, ProphecyChannel: this was a good video. You're the first Oneness person I've heard in years who could articulate that doctrine well. Thanks!
brainouty 2 years ago 2
brainouty, the word 'person' in Hebrew means:
-entity
-essence
-individual
-substance
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
BrotherMurry, Personhood is first in meaning, as even the early Church fathers knew (they invented the term treis hupostases, heis ousia, I didn't).
That's how the author of the Book of Hebrews uses it in Hebrews 1:3, 3:14, 11:1 (where hupostasis is used as a nickname for Christ, but all Bibles missed the wordplay and mistranslated the verse, see my exegesis videos on Heb11:1).
brainouty 2 years ago
So in other words, to prove Trinitarianism, one has to depend upon extra-biblical writings? In other words, the argument for the Trinity fails to maintain status as Sola Scriptura.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
NO, BrotherMurray. One does NOT have to depend on extra-Biblical writings. I cited the ORIGIN of the later Church Father's conclusions, from the Book of Hebrews, where you can see THREE USES of hupostasis to mean Christ. The exegesis of those verses is in my playlists.
Honestly, if you're looking to pick a fight and ignore Bible, count me out. I didn't post here to start an argument over Trinity, but just to say I appreciated ProphecyChannel's position, with which I empathize.
Good bye.
brainouty 2 years ago
I have no desire for a fight. Fighting involves the intent of hurting someone else physically and/or emotionally. There is no need to get defensive; I have not personally attacked you. And concerning me ignoring the Bible- How can I ignore verses which you have not presented to me?
I apologize if I offended you. Blessings.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
BrotherMurray, what is offensive is false accusation and quarrelsomeness. I presented the verses, and now you deny them. That's #1 Tactic of Christian taqiyya. I wasn't talking to you in my comments initially, but to ProphecyChannel. And then you want to debate the matter. So when I won't, you play the victim, #3 Tactic in Christian Taqqiya. Your opening line was #5 tactic. GOOD BYE.
brainouty 2 years ago
You didn't present a scriptural argument but simply told me what the church fathers thought about those passages. Grow up and quit attributing Muslim tactics to everyone who disagrees with you.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago