Unfair Video, not a sigle tree is harmed by Valley Yellow Pages, Valley Yellow Pages employees about a 1,000 people and generates millions of dollars for small businesses which in turn employee millions of people up and down California. To show a few books which are distribuyed by a private distributing company is just unfair.
Just another whacko fighting the good fight. Do you go to all the companies that send you junk mail and throw the mail onto their property. I think it's only fair to treat everyone equally.
@planesx12 I'd consider doing something similar with junk mail, except direct mail companies actually do a good job honoring opt-out requests. That's a sensible approach. Why do they get it right while yellow pages directory companies continue to fail?
@thedeets Because their mailing is computer generated and it just takes a simple keystroke. Phone book deliveries are done by people and most don't look at the delivery sheets which have your opt-out request. They simply go down the street and deliver to every house they see. And when you make a stink the deliver guy gets reamed a new ass hole or fired and the next schlep does the same thing. If you nicely call up the delivery office and ask them to come pick up the book, SUCCESS!
@thedeets Why not just be a decent bloke, pick-up the book and throw it in the trash. Your not saving trees recycling because the books are made from recycled paper. the only other use for the book is to cut the binder off and shred it into filler as recycled paper can not be made into paper again. The truth of the matter is phone books are better off in the dump as they break down naturally and help filter other crap.
@winikten1 They are NOT obligated to give me a directory, and they do NOT offer phone service in my area. They are purely a directory provider that chooses to litter their books of ads at properties without the permission of property owners.
Yes, some people find them valuable. If Yellowbook would target their deliveries to those who do, people would stop complaining about their spam.
@thedeets they are obligated by law to offer them. If you opt out then they should be able to comply. this book wasnt yellowbook. it was verizon. get your facts straight.
@thedeets verizon, who you said this book was, IS obligated to offer you a directory because they offer service in the area. even still, you're so obsessed with getting a stupid book, that you go out of your way to make an ass of yourself. throw the book out if you dont want it. it'll take what about 10 seconds? seriously, id deliver you a book just to watch you act like an ass.
@winikten1 Ah, my bad. It's hard to keep up with all of your comments defending the yellow pages industry's failure to competently manage an opt-out system.
That being said, you're still wrong. I live in Minneapolis, and our local carrier is Qwest, so if any company is obligated to deliver books, it would be them. And then it would be only White Pages. I also don't have land line phone service.
I'd rather solve the problem than repeatedly waste time & tax dollars dealing with Yellowpage spam.
uscomputing - I don't know where you live or in what century but if you only get one or two phone books, you are DARN lucky.. I get 5 or 6. And they far outweigh the junk mail I receive. The local recycling center won;t take them, because of the trashy paper quality and glue binding. So I drive them and dump the whole stack of phone books on the steps of the phone company biz office, even if they are not all the phone co. books. They are the ones who created the problem.
I'm sure the junk mail put into your actual mail box certainly outweighs the one or two phone books you get for the year lol. But seeing as your video has 571 views now, your video was not only a waste of time but also carries a negligible impact.
@uscomputing, direct mail companies honor opt-out requests. The success of their businesses are based on the quality of their lists, so they have no problem removing people who don't plan to buy from them. YP companies, on the other hand, appear to be basing pricing on the illusion of market saturation, which is a farce they seem to be fighting to keep alive through over delivery.
It's a shame that YP companies don't show more respect for home owners and their client's ad dollars.
I could understand that if one of the big pluses to advertising in the yellow pages, yellowbook, superpages wasn't that they distribute to every house and every business in every residence in that geographic area.
To me that is an advantage. If you want to advertise in a directory where people are not receiving it, there are plenty of other options: newspapers, magazines, etc. You are in the minority of people that opt out and the people that don't want it and are making a big deal out of it.
humm on 2nd thoughts your right i did'nt realize you got various phone books from several companys we only get one book and one yellow per year.but i could'nt afford the gas to do what you did at over £5.per gal around $8.u.s would you?
I imagine I burned around 2 gallons total for the 2 round trips I made, so the hard costs weren't much. From what I understand, the opt-out systems work much better in many countries in Europe including the UK. For some reason, American companies have been very slow to target their distribution to only those who still use print directories, which pisses off people like me and hurts local businesses.
clearly someone with a chip on his shoulder and way to much time on his hands if you dont want the book put it in the trash.i would hate to live next to you.
where I live you get fined for littering. If everyone did that where I worked, I don't think anyone would want to rent offices there, causing those landlords more problems in this economy. But thank, it looks like you really care about others...NOOOT.
@alynch3, if you took your argument and applied it to the millions of home owners who no longer use yellow pages, you'd see where I'm coming from.
If you stepped back and thought about what Idearc Media could have done to prevent this type of reaction (stop littering my property with unrequested phone books) you'd see that we're nearly on the same page on this issue.
In my area the At&t Yellow Pages have coupons in the back that save me a lot of money. I haven't yet figured out how to get them to deliver to my house. I use their phone service. Any suggestions?
How juvenile! 2 wrongs don't make a right, you just caused some maintenance guy to have to bend over and pick up your book for no reason, he's not going to understand the point you were trying to make, just put it in the recycling and move on with your life. Have you considered that most of your local businesses are IN that book?
@smcgov, my point is contained in the message of the video and not the impression that it had on whoever disposed of that book.
I'm trying to create a life for myself that involves NOT having to deal with disposing of wastefully produced, delivered, and later recycled phone books that never had to be created in the first place.
I DO consider the local businesses. They shouldn't have to pay for ads that won't be seen in books that will never be opened.
Also, the books are already used with recycled paper, and they are also able to be recycled.
The companies that waste the paper are publishing the books where there already is a phone company publishing them.
Yellow Pages usage is much higher then you think. Why would business' keep advertising in the book if it wasn't working for them? Because the ones that have enough marketing intelligence actually tracks where new customers come from - thus they know that they are getting a ROI.
ericjwilson08, any book that's printed but not read is a waste, right? Print spam is print spam regardless of which company creates it.
If you can, explain to me how a business benefits from a phone book being printed and delivered to a vacant home? Idearc Media does this all the time. Are they helping or hurting businesses and communities with this type of behavior?
There is absolutly no benefit from it being delieverd to a vancant home, but there is no database in the world that represents a 100% correct list in current homeowners, it just cannot be done. First and formost, the Verizon books are distributed to homes with landlines in the coverage area (even areas where they have a secondary land line, such as a cable company, the cable company is still required to provide the information to Verizon to have the correct information).....
From there it also uses information from available sources to find homeowners. Other companies not associated with the phone company TEND to be the ones to blanket entire areas, leaving them dangling on mailboxes to fall in ditches whereas Verizon is now requiring delivers to be tracked on GPS to prove delivery. Deets, please understand, I am all for ONE book. When the power goes out, or you dont have access to a computer, the phone book is as good as it gets....
Rural areas still have a LARGE usage of directories. I work with small business' all day, and if i had it my way, this is how it would shake out. One book in each populated, feasible area. This helps my customers to only have to spend advertising dollars in ONE book, a lot better then the multiple they feel they must be in. With the current economic recession, you will see a lot of independant books suffer and close their doors, thus leaving the main phone books as the phone companies.
Phone books, in general, are still widely used. I agree. However, there is also a large and growing percentage of the population who no longer finds them valuable. Please stop sending your books to those people. It creates an unnecessary strain on the environment, consumer's time, local businesses wallets, and local government's recycling and waste management departments (aka consumer and local business' tax dollars).
Eric, it sounds like we're only one book away from agreeing here. I don't see how local businesses benefit from the distribution of even one book to people who don't plan on using them.
Direct mail is based off a 1-2% percent response rate, meaning 98%-99% is thrown directly in the trash. I think the last thing i read said direct mail is a 80 billion dollar business. These mailers are usually unable to be recycled and the LARGE majority are THROWN away. Or how about the newspapers? You can get the majority of the articles online, why don't we all just cancel our subscriptions because that would save a tree? I imagine, sir, you do.
Please sir, tell me why you don't fight the war on direct mail, newspapers, wastful government spending, or hug your kids. All could be better use of your time and resources.
Sounds like this is a yellow pages bashing page. However I would like to point out one MAJOR difference between comapnies like RH Donnley, Idearc, AT&T & Yellow Book.
RH Donnley, AT&T and Idearc deliver White and Yellow pages in areas where they are contracted to do so by the local phone companybecause it is the law. Phone companies MUST deliver an up-to-date white pages directory to every business and residence in the coverage areaits the lawhas been for decades. "
Eric, what I've seen in cities I've visited around the country is phone books on the steps of boarded up homes. Idearc and your competitors should be fined by cities for littering in cases like this.
I work for idearc, and i can tell you this: its required by law for the phone company (if they do it or have someone else do it) to publish the directories and distribute them to the coverage area.
As someone said previously, it it yellowbook you have a problem with as well as all other companies who produce books where there already is the phone company publishing them. The large majority of the directories Verizon publishes are the areas they cover.
ericjwilson08, I don't believe you are correct in your statement. Municipalities have laws regarding the distribution of white pages, but I don't believe any require the distribution of yellow pages advertising.
I may not be deets, and to be honest with you I have looked and looked but unable to find anything to support my claim. That was my understanding, even before I started working here.
Part of having a business line is to have the business listing. Though they may not require to have the yellow pages "advertisers" they are still "required (upon verification)" to publish the book, yellow and white combined.
I know this is old, but come on, this Deets guy needs to get a life. He's making all of this fuss because of PHONE BOOK?? BTW, lots of people use the paper phone directories.
Thanks for joining YouTube so you could leave an anonymous comment on my video.
I realize that the Yellow Book branded version of print directory spam is not published by Verizon. Although I also think that your average American could care less which brand of yellow pages spam is dropped on their doorstep.
I spend time and gas in order to make a point.
Maybe you could explain why time and gas are wasted delivering yellow pages to people who don't want them?
Dude, you are having issues because The Yellow Book is NOT Verizon. This is a totally separate publication through AT&T. The Yellow PAGES is published by Idearc Media, who isn't even Verizon anymore. They are just the company that publishes the Yellow Pages. I can't help but wonder why anyone would drive around wasting gas just to litter though.
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Unfair Video, not a sigle tree is harmed by Valley Yellow Pages, Valley Yellow Pages employees about a 1,000 people and generates millions of dollars for small businesses which in turn employee millions of people up and down California. To show a few books which are distribuyed by a private distributing company is just unfair.
danguerrero66 3 months ago
I guess you didn't know dex owns qwest also lol.
jeepliberty70 5 months ago
Just another whacko fighting the good fight. Do you go to all the companies that send you junk mail and throw the mail onto their property. I think it's only fair to treat everyone equally.
planesx12 10 months ago
@planesx12 I'd consider doing something similar with junk mail, except direct mail companies actually do a good job honoring opt-out requests. That's a sensible approach. Why do they get it right while yellow pages directory companies continue to fail?
thedeets 10 months ago
@thedeets Because their mailing is computer generated and it just takes a simple keystroke. Phone book deliveries are done by people and most don't look at the delivery sheets which have your opt-out request. They simply go down the street and deliver to every house they see. And when you make a stink the deliver guy gets reamed a new ass hole or fired and the next schlep does the same thing. If you nicely call up the delivery office and ask them to come pick up the book, SUCCESS!
planesx12 10 months ago
@thedeets Why not just be a decent bloke, pick-up the book and throw it in the trash. Your not saving trees recycling because the books are made from recycled paper. the only other use for the book is to cut the binder off and shred it into filler as recycled paper can not be made into paper again. The truth of the matter is phone books are better off in the dump as they break down naturally and help filter other crap.
planesx12 10 months ago
they are obligated to give you a directory because they offer phone service in the area. you can try opting out, but you see how that works.
again you're guilty of littering. seriously, you need a life.
winikten1 1 year ago
@winikten1 They are NOT obligated to give me a directory, and they do NOT offer phone service in my area. They are purely a directory provider that chooses to litter their books of ads at properties without the permission of property owners.
Yes, some people find them valuable. If Yellowbook would target their deliveries to those who do, people would stop complaining about their spam.
It's only spam if you don't want it.
thedeets 1 year ago
@thedeets they are obligated by law to offer them. If you opt out then they should be able to comply. this book wasnt yellowbook. it was verizon. get your facts straight.
winikten1 1 year ago
@thedeets verizon, who you said this book was, IS obligated to offer you a directory because they offer service in the area. even still, you're so obsessed with getting a stupid book, that you go out of your way to make an ass of yourself. throw the book out if you dont want it. it'll take what about 10 seconds? seriously, id deliver you a book just to watch you act like an ass.
winikten1 1 year ago
@winikten1 Ah, my bad. It's hard to keep up with all of your comments defending the yellow pages industry's failure to competently manage an opt-out system.
That being said, you're still wrong. I live in Minneapolis, and our local carrier is Qwest, so if any company is obligated to deliver books, it would be them. And then it would be only White Pages. I also don't have land line phone service.
I'd rather solve the problem than repeatedly waste time & tax dollars dealing with Yellowpage spam.
thedeets 1 year ago
uscomputing - I don't know where you live or in what century but if you only get one or two phone books, you are DARN lucky.. I get 5 or 6. And they far outweigh the junk mail I receive. The local recycling center won;t take them, because of the trashy paper quality and glue binding. So I drive them and dump the whole stack of phone books on the steps of the phone company biz office, even if they are not all the phone co. books. They are the ones who created the problem.
indianmary1 2 years ago
I'm sure the junk mail put into your actual mail box certainly outweighs the one or two phone books you get for the year lol. But seeing as your video has 571 views now, your video was not only a waste of time but also carries a negligible impact.
Congratulations rofl.
uscomputing 2 years ago
@uscomputing, direct mail companies honor opt-out requests. The success of their businesses are based on the quality of their lists, so they have no problem removing people who don't plan to buy from them. YP companies, on the other hand, appear to be basing pricing on the illusion of market saturation, which is a farce they seem to be fighting to keep alive through over delivery.
It's a shame that YP companies don't show more respect for home owners and their client's ad dollars.
thedeets 2 years ago
I could understand that if one of the big pluses to advertising in the yellow pages, yellowbook, superpages wasn't that they distribute to every house and every business in every residence in that geographic area.
To me that is an advantage. If you want to advertise in a directory where people are not receiving it, there are plenty of other options: newspapers, magazines, etc. You are in the minority of people that opt out and the people that don't want it and are making a big deal out of it.
uscomputing 2 years ago
@uscomputing, I rolled up this strange conversation over on my blog. The address is my username with a dotcom on the end.
thedeets 2 years ago
lol I should make a ridiculous blog as well.
uscomputing 2 years ago
I wouldn't expect you to like it, but thought you may have an interest in responding.
thedeets 2 years ago
humm on 2nd thoughts your right i did'nt realize you got various phone books from several companys we only get one book and one yellow per year.but i could'nt afford the gas to do what you did at over £5.per gal around $8.u.s would you?
bigfist255 2 years ago
I imagine I burned around 2 gallons total for the 2 round trips I made, so the hard costs weren't much. From what I understand, the opt-out systems work much better in many countries in Europe including the UK. For some reason, American companies have been very slow to target their distribution to only those who still use print directories, which pisses off people like me and hurts local businesses.
thedeets 2 years ago
clearly someone with a chip on his shoulder and way to much time on his hands if you dont want the book put it in the trash.i would hate to live next to you.
bigfist255 2 years ago
@bigfist255, thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to drive up the view and comment count on my video.
Regarding putting it in the trash:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
thedeets 2 years ago
where I live you get fined for littering. If everyone did that where I worked, I don't think anyone would want to rent offices there, causing those landlords more problems in this economy. But thank, it looks like you really care about others...NOOOT.
alynch3 2 years ago
@alynch3, if you took your argument and applied it to the millions of home owners who no longer use yellow pages, you'd see where I'm coming from.
If you stepped back and thought about what Idearc Media could have done to prevent this type of reaction (stop littering my property with unrequested phone books) you'd see that we're nearly on the same page on this issue.
thedeets 2 years ago
In my area the At&t Yellow Pages have coupons in the back that save me a lot of money. I haven't yet figured out how to get them to deliver to my house. I use their phone service. Any suggestions?
goddess7992 2 years ago
@goddess7992, have you tried calling them?
thedeets 2 years ago
How juvenile! 2 wrongs don't make a right, you just caused some maintenance guy to have to bend over and pick up your book for no reason, he's not going to understand the point you were trying to make, just put it in the recycling and move on with your life. Have you considered that most of your local businesses are IN that book?
smcgov 2 years ago
@smcgov, my point is contained in the message of the video and not the impression that it had on whoever disposed of that book.
I'm trying to create a life for myself that involves NOT having to deal with disposing of wastefully produced, delivered, and later recycled phone books that never had to be created in the first place.
I DO consider the local businesses. They shouldn't have to pay for ads that won't be seen in books that will never be opened.
thedeets 2 years ago
Also, the books are already used with recycled paper, and they are also able to be recycled.
The companies that waste the paper are publishing the books where there already is a phone company publishing them.
Yellow Pages usage is much higher then you think. Why would business' keep advertising in the book if it wasn't working for them? Because the ones that have enough marketing intelligence actually tracks where new customers come from - thus they know that they are getting a ROI.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
ericjwilson08, any book that's printed but not read is a waste, right? Print spam is print spam regardless of which company creates it.
If you can, explain to me how a business benefits from a phone book being printed and delivered to a vacant home? Idearc Media does this all the time. Are they helping or hurting businesses and communities with this type of behavior?
thedeets 3 years ago
There is absolutly no benefit from it being delieverd to a vancant home, but there is no database in the world that represents a 100% correct list in current homeowners, it just cannot be done. First and formost, the Verizon books are distributed to homes with landlines in the coverage area (even areas where they have a secondary land line, such as a cable company, the cable company is still required to provide the information to Verizon to have the correct information).....
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
From there it also uses information from available sources to find homeowners. Other companies not associated with the phone company TEND to be the ones to blanket entire areas, leaving them dangling on mailboxes to fall in ditches whereas Verizon is now requiring delivers to be tracked on GPS to prove delivery. Deets, please understand, I am all for ONE book. When the power goes out, or you dont have access to a computer, the phone book is as good as it gets....
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
Rural areas still have a LARGE usage of directories. I work with small business' all day, and if i had it my way, this is how it would shake out. One book in each populated, feasible area. This helps my customers to only have to spend advertising dollars in ONE book, a lot better then the multiple they feel they must be in. With the current economic recession, you will see a lot of independant books suffer and close their doors, thus leaving the main phone books as the phone companies.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
Phone books, in general, are still widely used. I agree. However, there is also a large and growing percentage of the population who no longer finds them valuable. Please stop sending your books to those people. It creates an unnecessary strain on the environment, consumer's time, local businesses wallets, and local government's recycling and waste management departments (aka consumer and local business' tax dollars).
thedeets 3 years ago
Eric, it sounds like we're only one book away from agreeing here. I don't see how local businesses benefit from the distribution of even one book to people who don't plan on using them.
thedeets 3 years ago
Direct mail is based off a 1-2% percent response rate, meaning 98%-99% is thrown directly in the trash. I think the last thing i read said direct mail is a 80 billion dollar business. These mailers are usually unable to be recycled and the LARGE majority are THROWN away. Or how about the newspapers? You can get the majority of the articles online, why don't we all just cancel our subscriptions because that would save a tree? I imagine, sir, you do.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
Please sir, tell me why you don't fight the war on direct mail, newspapers, wastful government spending, or hug your kids. All could be better use of your time and resources.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
Come on Ed, it seems im not the first to say it, yet you act like i was the first to mention that its the law:
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
"Truth January 29, 2009 7:27 pm
Sounds like this is a yellow pages bashing page. However I would like to point out one MAJOR difference between comapnies like RH Donnley, Idearc, AT&T & Yellow Book.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
RH Donnley, AT&T and Idearc deliver White and Yellow pages in areas where they are contracted to do so by the local phone companybecause it is the law. Phone companies MUST deliver an up-to-date white pages directory to every business and residence in the coverage areaits the lawhas been for decades. "
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
Eric, what I've seen in cities I've visited around the country is phone books on the steps of boarded up homes. Idearc and your competitors should be fined by cities for littering in cases like this.
thedeets 3 years ago
I work for idearc, and i can tell you this: its required by law for the phone company (if they do it or have someone else do it) to publish the directories and distribute them to the coverage area.
As someone said previously, it it yellowbook you have a problem with as well as all other companies who produce books where there already is the phone company publishing them. The large majority of the directories Verizon publishes are the areas they cover.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
ericjwilson08, I don't believe you are correct in your statement. Municipalities have laws regarding the distribution of white pages, but I don't believe any require the distribution of yellow pages advertising.
thedeets 3 years ago
I may not be deets, and to be honest with you I have looked and looked but unable to find anything to support my claim. That was my understanding, even before I started working here.
Part of having a business line is to have the business listing. Though they may not require to have the yellow pages "advertisers" they are still "required (upon verification)" to publish the book, yellow and white combined.
ericjwilson08 3 years ago
SmartOne48, I have to ask: What's a bigger waste of time?
Working on an issue that can save the environment, make consumers who no longer use phone books happier, and save businesses money?
Or complaining about someone doing that?
So, which Yellow Pages company do YOU work for?
thedeets 3 years ago
I know this is old, but come on, this Deets guy needs to get a life. He's making all of this fuss because of PHONE BOOK?? BTW, lots of people use the paper phone directories.
SmartOne48 3 years ago
Thanks for joining YouTube so you could leave an anonymous comment on my video.
I realize that the Yellow Book branded version of print directory spam is not published by Verizon. Although I also think that your average American could care less which brand of yellow pages spam is dropped on their doorstep.
I spend time and gas in order to make a point.
Maybe you could explain why time and gas are wasted delivering yellow pages to people who don't want them?
thedeets 3 years ago
Dude, you are having issues because The Yellow Book is NOT Verizon. This is a totally separate publication through AT&T. The Yellow PAGES is published by Idearc Media, who isn't even Verizon anymore. They are just the company that publishes the Yellow Pages. I can't help but wonder why anyone would drive around wasting gas just to litter though.
yippeekiyaah 3 years ago