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  • those messages scrolling across the screen are embarrassingly stupid. i don't know how prof. dawkins keeps a straight face listening to these idiots.

  • before the big bang it was quiet. With no poorly informed creationists to brainwash young minds.

  • I love the way Dawk works that argument backwards...'You already l know what it's like to be a non-believer because you don't believe in Wotan or Thor, I am just adding one more.

  • really THAT many hands? Is this a christian talk show or are we in bigger trouble than we realize?

  • The apologist in this interview isn't actually submitting an argument based on logic or facts, he's simply using blather.

  • Good ol' Ireland, everything is lovely. Nice cup of tea, a quick prayer and the Late Late...glad I got out of the kip

  • So the question of existence is: "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Theists claim their god made it. Fine, but why then would there be a GOD rather than nothing?

    Positing a god doesn't solve the problem of existence at all, but merely pushes it back one step.

  • @MomoTheBellyDancer very good sir :)

  • Christians: if you guys ever wonder why we don't believe in your God, just ask yourself this: why don't you believe in Allah?

  • The norm?

    Wasn't Richard's whole opening point that it was a small minority of believers that take their beliefs too far?

  • "how can so many people be wrong?" dude, do you know how many people claim to have seen ufo´s?

  • @RosesTimes Whatever you say dude, good luck ;)

  • @RosesTimes Seriously mate, the jokes are over, just give it a rest because it really is a waste of time and life. Despite your arsehole nature, I wish you all the best ;) Have a good one.

  • @RosesTimes Oh damn RosesTimes, I told you to shoot away from my face not ON my face!, don't you ever listen?!.. sigh.. no more head jobs for you! Actually, you know what?, I think I love you, I am feeling a passion in my loins the likes of which I have never felt before! .. I am now down on one knee with a @--'-,--- on my mouth and your cum from my chin! WILL YOU MARRY ME!!!!?

  • @RosesTimes Enjoy your first punch to the head, you'll deserve it ;) And I must say that your offer of rape really is rather tempting but all I ask is that you please supply the lube, it's the least you could do with a sweet firm arse such as mine ;) kiss kiss.

  • @RosesTimes Obviously there was no discipline for you as a child and you've obviously never had your nose or jaw broken before. Too bad you will need to learn the hard way.

  • @RosesTimes Well aren't you high on intellect ;), has your life really become that meaningless that to attain meaning and significance in life you resort to power through YouTube whilst hiding yourself with a non viewable channel?. If you really are that keen on anal sex you might want to do a few crimes and get thrown back into the same prison cell that gave you the arse fetish to begin with.

  • @RosesTimes Yes that is right, that means that Atheists give a platform for Craig and are respecting him accordingly by giving him some praise but on the other hand if the Atheist website were to renounce Craig as nothing but an idiot then you would be up in arms and would put forth your own diatribe in order to defend Craig. So if the Atheist community respects the opinion of Craig they are a ROFL joke and if they renounce him they are still a "ROFL" joke. What's it going to be?

  • Why is it so wrong to admit we don't know instead of assuming the answer? We don't know why there is something instead of nothing. We don't know what was around before the big bang. Assuming the answer isn't the right path to knowledge.

  • dawkins = sam neil in Jurassic park

  • I fucking hate Dawkins. He's such a pretentious arsehole! Why can't he just tap into the atheists and leave believers alone instead of trying to bash his own religious views of atheism onto everyone else. Do we all want a world full of Dawkins like creatures, I hope not!

  • @paulod27 You choose to watch this video. Richard Dawkins doesn't have a gun to your head, nor is he preaching on a corner. If you don't like debates about religion don't watch them. Simple.

  • @paulod27 I fucking hate religious preachers. They're such arrogant arseholes! Why can't they just tap into the christians and leave the rest of us alone instead of trying to bash their own idiotic views onto everyone else. Do we all want a world full of liars, corrupt religious leaders and conservative greed, I hope not!

  • @paulod27 But thats what people like you did to other lesser people its so funny and typical your all Hypocritical morons all your arguments contradict yourselves, Better everyone like Dawkins then you then our society would go no where and then the sun would eventually blow up and the human race is doomed to extinction.

  • How can you go from being an atheist to religious? Thats the pinnacle of dumb.

  • @aDislikeBot I've never seen an "ex-atheist" who could accurately describe what critical, informed atheists think. All the people who call themselves "former atheists" appear to be people who just generally don't think about things much at all.

  • Religion cannot provide morality, it tells you not to do things or else your imaginary friend is gonna put you in his basement where his bitch satan will punish you FOREVER! or do this because then you will get an awesome reward you cannot even imagine.. i smell unicorn shit.

  • haha 4.54 dawks is like 'bring it'

  • @MangoBodyButter89 This is the way Dr. Casey normally talks. I attended his logic lectures in UCD during which he briefly mentioned this "debate" and the way he talks is in no way related to nerves.

  • The Moral system from the 3 main monotheist relgion, is most likely a dictatorship.

  • ALL religion is VERY harmful to its most sincere victims, like me, who managed a life of complete cognitive dissonance. The wrenching, painful, walking of a path to reason is an intellectually and emotionally violent one, which I cannot well describe. Many of us just kill ourselves. Nobody, survives intact.

  • So many people can be so wrong. The majority has no monopoly on the truth. Here's one example: belief in god.

  • Dawkins Win...

  • I bet half that audience just went, "ah fuck! Dawkins makes sense."

  • Did anyone notice the speed in which each of them spoke? Dawkins was much slower and the other guy was much much faster which sugests almost a lack of confidence in what he is saying if someone blurts something out in fear of being rediculed if analysed fully. But Dawkins said every word with full confidence. It's always the case i can never trust the religous person as the either speak almost in riddle (aka bullshit language) or start babbling.

  • Dawkins should make every1 take an arrow to the knee!!

  • @ADDISON396 how appropiate it was dawkins who coined the word meme

  • Ahh good ol' Dickie Dawks. Am I allowed to call him that?

  • @PaladinswordSaurfang You shouldn't have to ask permission. Just say it however you want. I sometimes refer to him as Ricky Dawkins for fun, but I wouldn't say that to him in person, well unless I wanted to risk getting a strange look in return.

  • What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.

    All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe

  • Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?

    No?

    Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?

  • @Atheist8812 The atheist Delusion!

    How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?

  • @1tabligh Atheist delusion? Is that supposed to be an argument or an insult? Please, is that the best you can muster up? Where is the delusion in saying "I don't know" when asked if god exists? There is delusion in making claims that cannot be proven, say god for example. Atheists are the ones casting doubt on certainty without evidence. It is the anti-delusion, period.

  • everytime i watch a debate with richard dawkins, i end up feeling dumber... as in damn that guy is smart...

  • God is Santa for the Adults.

  • @MrCobra811 If billions believed in fairies, would that make them real?

    Yay, the Quran says you don't get babies without semen. Wow, an observation of one (vital) part of sex. That's not divine revelation, nor does it say that semen specifically determines gender of the baby.

  • nothing was before the big bang

  • booh to the comments in the video

  • Nobody believes in fairys , but billions believe in God !

  • Not a slight of evidence that God exists LMAO ! Its like saying : there is not a slight of evidence that dawkins is in the audience pfhahaa! There is not a slight of evidence that the universe exist ! How more deluded can u get ?

  • I love how British people actually let each other finish talking.

  • I don't believe there was a big bang. I believe existence has no beginning, and no end. It's easy for us to wonder how all this matter happened to exist in the first place, but placing it all on a being that HAD to have been created in some other respect, firstly, would be redundant. All that empty space out there, yet we still have pockets of matter existing as galaxies. It's mind-boggling for us at this time, but we cannot rely on a "God" we have no proof to exist to be THE answer.

  • @NairuOnLife You don't believe there was a big bang but do you believe that you are here ? If the universe is eternal you wouldn't be here in the first place , If the universe is eternal , how do we measure things , how do we trace stuff ? Saying that existence has no begining means you have no begining ! Universe has a begining and everything which has a begining is caused by something else , therefore we come to the only conclusion , eternal creator outside space and time , no other way

  • @MrCobra811 Using a creator to define something that isn't understood is absurd in the first place. At least science takes up the task to fulfill this understanding on behalf of humankind, unlike religion that stays steadfast in idealogy that continues to be debunked every time a scientific revelation occurs. Your idea of a beginning had to occur from something else, which implies a chain of "beginnings", which THUS implies a perpetual existence of events. Existence didn't begin.

  • @NairuOnLife Doesn't matter wether I understand something or I don't , if I see it there I automatically ask Who made it ! If I see a piece of sh....t in the street I don't even want to understand how is made but I know for sure that someone made it ! understanding how the universe was made doesn't mean that nobody made it ! If I see a space ship land in my garden , I know for sure that someone made it , even if I don't understand How is made !

  • @NairuOnLife What did science find that is not in my religion Islam ? Big bang is in my religion, the human embryo., the astronomy , everything wich is scientificly proven is in my religion ! Cos God in the Quran asks us to think and ponder what is around us , because the more we think and reason the more will believe in a creator ! A process need to be under controll of somebody in order to not go in caos , wether is a bedroom , or a nuclear process etc EXEPT FOR THE UNIVERSE LOL

  • @MrCobra811 Sure, the Quran mentions the embryo, but it gets the details (such as are there) wrong, as pointed out by PZ Meyers on his Pharyngula blog. And saying 'everything scientifically proven' is there, is just silly. Even science hasn't proven everything yet, and there is very little actual detailed science in any holy book written over 2000 years ago. You can project meaning anywhere you like, into a few sentences of vague observance.

  • @JaytheOstrich Quran 53:45-46 And that He creates the two mates - the male and female -From a sperm-drop when it is emitted!

    When was it discovered that the sperm is responsible for the sex of the baby ? Tell us ? Maybe you find some excuse for this as well !

  • @MrCobra811 Hey, you're the one claiming that it is in the Quran. I don't even believe that sperm IS responsible for gender. That was my point.

    And it takes more than 'emitting' for it to become a baby too. So much for science.

  • @JaytheOstrich What ? you don't believe that sperm is responsible for the gender ? are you serious ? And you believe in science , do you ? So much for science LMAO haha! Do you know which gender has the XY chromosomes ? Male has XY , female has XX ! If an X chromosome from male connects the the X of the female then the baby is female , if an Y chromosome of male connects to the X chromosome of female then the baby is male , SO MUCH FOR SCIENCE LMAO

  • @MrCobra811 Yes, I accept science, but i'm not a frigging biologist, so I don't know everything about reproduction. Sue me. What I meant was I wasn't SURE that gender was specifically a trait coming only from sperm and not egg. I think various hormones in the womb affect it as well. Maybe I'm wrong, who cares. Ask a biologist.

  • @MrCobra811 If all scientific discoveries are predated in the koran, please tell us, sir, what will be the next big scientific breakthrough? It should be in your holy book. And not the Higgs boson, we already know it's going to be found. Give us something we won't see coming. You should be able to, if it's all in that book of yours.

  • @Mistraker The next scientific breakthrough , you probaly not living when the next scientific breakthrough is gonna be ! That book was there 1400 years ago the same as it is now , its recited and memorised by milions of people , it doesn't change ! Quran speaks about 7 heavens , it looks crazy to think today about it, same as it looked crazy to people of 1400 years ago , when Quran mentioned fingerprints and frontal lobe of people , when we find out then we know !

  • @MrCobra811 There are scientific breakthroughs daily. What you're saying is that you can't predict any future scientific discoveries using the koran. Which means what you've been doing is reinterpreting the koran to mean what you like, rather than what it actually means, to make it fit discoveries we've found already. If they were actually in the book before they found them out, you could have used them to predict what science would find.

  • @Mistraker What on earth are you talking about ? Quran doesn't say hidrogen oxygen and stuff like that cos those are labels which human put on things ! Which means you have been interpreting Quran to mean what you like! Quran is there in original, arabic is there! bread = bread in arabic, stupid = stupid in arabic ! every word has a translation in another language! 7 heavens are in the book , Lord of the WORLDS is in the book etc ! why didn't any other religious book has them too?

  • @MrCobra811 I never said the koran said hydrogen or oxygen or anything like that, did I? Now you're putting words in my mouth. YOU said the koran contained all scientific discoveries. I'm asking you to use this massive knowledge of science you claim is in the koran to tell us what we're going to discover in the future using science. You should be able to do this, if the knowledge is really there.

  • @Mistraker Don't worry, once anything is discovered and published it can easily be 'predicted' by a vague sentence or two in the Quran.

  • only 4 years later and the amount of athiests in ireland has risen 124%

  • anyone know when this was made?

  • This is the best debate ever.... they are both so calm and collective..

  • I'd like to be able to believe in a heaven, I dont know how people do it it just seems there is no logic to it.

    

  • fuk u good see im still alive

  • @elliot450

    There is nothing wrong with good!

  • Is it just me or when the other guest is talking he is saying a great many words, and having hardly any meaning?

  • @Dpearrow Thats exactly it hahaha hes not making any sense

  • Supernatural, divine, and godlike beings are results of people and their abstract ideals and images their egos defensively create due to a worldly catastrophic and traumatic event that occurred in the past that seperated man from nature. Atheists are no exception to this psyche illness neither and by casting theology aside will never restore one's own sanity to be whole again ever.

    Richard Dawkins is agnostic; he believes not in Judeo-Christian, but does believe of a divine being or force.

  • The best part about watching British people have a debate is that they let each other finish. Props to Dawkins as well!

  • @jamesspicer two out of the three people here are from The Republic of Ireland. They're not British, but i do agree with the props. :-)

  • @jamesspicer

    Just a small thing - the people are Irish, not British. BIG difference!

  • @Seanklang I'm they just can't tell the difference by the sound of our voices. I personally think canadians and americans sound the same.

  • @RottingYoda I'm sure*

    

  • @RottingYoda

    Yup - can't tell the difference either, and should'nt expect our mates across the ocean to be able to tell the same!

  • Calling Irish people ... British, lol not a great shout, haha!

  • @damplyons ha! You are the 3rd person to have told me that. My mistake of course. Just was happy to see them talk to one another instead of over one another. From America if you couldn't tell from my blunder there.

  • @jamesspicer Yeah I guessed, easy mistake though :-D

  • @jamesspicer indeed. this is the most civilized debate i've seen in all these youtube clips heh

  • @jamesspicer Richard Dawkins is the only British person there. lol. but yea being polite is importent.

  • @jamesspicer

    Can you honestly not tell the difference between Irish people and the British?

  • @AgitatingBastard i was going to say something, funny thing is it got so many thumbs up. american i would presume he is

  • @jamesspicer Lol! Thanks for the compliment.

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  • If God is infinite then the universe isn't. The universe by definition contains all matter and energy. If God is infinite then he cannot be in the finite universe. God is literally not in the universe, therefore he does not exist de facto. (ontological a priori, only logically accurate.)

  • @ClockworkFacility1

    Without the posibility to come with empirical evidence for the exictece of god (wich is by definition undetectable in any way) only logic can be used.

    The only way to prove something does not exist is go there and see for yourself, the think is god lives nowhere and can not be detected...

    Sounds like a lame god to me, in my immagination god would be way cooler ;)

  • This has nothing to do with the video, but I'd like to present one ridiculously convincing argument for the theory of evolution and against the possibility of there being an "intelligent" designer.

    Recurrent laryngeal nerve.

    Your move, creationists.

  • That shit scrolling along the bottom is hilarious.

  • I just sacrificed a meatball for my God.

  • I like the way it just sto

  • @BarriedaleNick I like the way it's called part 1/

  • I think Dawkins covered this by explaining the God of the gaps argument but he failed to tell the Philosopher the answer to his question. It is "I don't know" and the fact that one can choose one of those options would be faith based. It is indeed a trick question, and the fact that people have chosen to put God in place of the "I don't know" area, we have proven he made the God of the Gaps argument from ignorance.

  • "THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD-MADE RELIGION AND THOUSANDS OF MAN-MADE SO THERE IS YOUR ANSWER"

    FSM 4 LYFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

  • @tomroxelf Ramen to that.

  • The texts on the banner at the bottom are hilarious.

  • @MRfullon yes, he seems much more coherent and fair in this interview than in another i have seen. maybe it's all the people in the audience watching, because in the other one he was interviewed between two eyes.

  • I'm really interested in the other guy. I'm a theist and I don't think that Dawkins is able to explain his belief system any better than he accuses theists explaining theirs.

  • @sahd0w I will try to clarify. Atheism is not a belief system. Christianity is a belief system. Atheists choose not to have a belief system because there is no hard factual evidence for God. We don't believe in Hogwarts from Harry Potter because there is no evidence.

  • 4:44 "You must prove there is a God"

    You can almost see his expression say "Oh bollocks..."

  • quality upload. Richard Dawkins is a gent. How many times has he had to explain (over and over) his views. and yet he does so in a gentle and calm fashion. He's superb

  • No one knows but there's no reason to say god did it

  • IF YOU HAVE THE TALENT. THE POWER. THE ABILITY TO MOVE OR SHAKE OR STIR A PERSONS SOUL YOU HAVE WON HIM OVER!!!!!!!

    WITH THIS IN MIND. EVERY CHRISTIAN OR PERSON MOVED BY EMOTIONAL AND SPIRITUAL OR SOULFUL INTERACTION BY COMPUTER OR BOOKS OR PASTOR DOES NOT MEAN ITS THE REALITY. IT JUST MEAN IT HAPPENED. BIG DEAL YOU GOT MOVED OR SHOOK BY SOME EMOTIONAL HIGH AND NOW FEEL IT WAS (INSERT NAME HERE)

    NO THATS NOT WHAT I AM GOING TO ACCEPT. I ACCEPT SPINOZAS GOD.

  • Everytime some relimuppets starts yapping about being a former atheist and crap like that.....

    I dont know, i think they're full of shit and just lie thinking it will support their *ahem* argument.

    Born fuckin liars, all of em. You have to be to keep convincing yourself you have an imaginary friend. Always the same responses with these jojo's, something out of nothing, evolution is false, just shut the fuck up superstitious dumbasses

    RIcky D doin' a roundhouse again, daz how he rolls, yo

  • reminder... earth is a tiny speck in the universe... its almost infinite in size... natural accidents and anomalies happen ... and at the scale of the universe... we are insanly lucky to be here... appreciate it and STFU .... forget the reason.. there is none, were jsut danm lucky. Humans can be so self-centered sometimes.. they forget that wer enot the only living things out there. Fish are living things to... product of the same accident but evolded differently... seriously.. stfu

  • You are so wrong Richard, the first mention of a Savior (God) being born of a woman was to Adam and Eve.

    It just so happens that the woman would be a virgin. It was not a wrong translation. It was true.

    All messianic prophecies are based on that first mention of a Savior (God) being born of a woman.

    ...and what do you know? She was a virgin. Joseph kept her a virgin until after Yeshua was born.

    That"s what happens when an atheist tries to do theology, he is very wrong!

    watch?v=HoKVVYJ8KJM

  • @JungleJargon "It was true"

    Great argument there

  • What are you afraid of, if you are right, what do you have to lose?

    Go ahead and debate us.

    It is your chance to prove creationists wrong.

    Show me another function that does not have a maker.

    Evolution is an absolute disgrace to science.

    Objects never order anything, mutations never order anything and natural selection will only select what has already been ordered.

    Evolution is so irrational that it should be removed from all classrooms.

    watch?v=HoKVVYJ8KJM

  • @JungleJargon Lol you are funny. Go take a class in biology. You will find evolution to be so simple and so elegant.

  • @Gunner3210 I AM WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CREATOR WITH HIS POWER DID THE BIG BANG. I WILL NEVER EXCLUDE IT. BY IT I MEAN THE CREATOR.

  • When I listen to an atheist speak, I hear logic and reason and it makes sense. When I listen to a creationist all I hear is white noise

  • @MrSmashman1981 when i listen to a atheist, i hear ignorance, narrow mindedness and bullshit when i listen to a creationist, i hear ignorance, narrow mindedness and bullshit neither side is right no side is right human beings are just scared idiots that always need to know some sort of reason of their own being whether there is a god or not and in reality it doesn't matter in the end your fucking dead so who cares who was right ffs live life and stop worrying what some dumb ass brit has to say

  • @MrCooshcoosh just to add to that i don't believe in any organized religion i just think the whole argument between both sides is utter bullshit and a waste of time worrying about it

  • @MrCooshcoosh For you it might be a waste of time. But you ignore that still people are killed, punished and are discriminated because of religion. Because of a belief in something that, with a high probability, doesn't exist.

    You don't care about. That's OK but very ignorant and narrow minded also.

  • @MrCooshcoosh when i read your comment i see ignorance,narrow mindedness and bullshit.if you can't see the reason behind criticizing religion you are in fact all of the above things.

  • @MrCooshcoosh You are so right! Live life and stop worrying what any brit, or paddy, has to say. Your view has been confirmed in this important recent message.

    The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes.

    The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.

    See ' God says sorry. '

  • I'm convinced most of the "ex-atheists" were secretly never a real atheist but planning on converting to have a more powerful argument. Theism conceals. Science reveals.

  • Bravo Dawkins!!

  • Belief in a god and belief that there is no god is based on FAITH. Faith is belief without proof. There is absolutely no evidence that there is a god and there is equal evidence to believe that there is no god. Both atheism and religion or faith based, and that drives atheists nuts. Atheists hate being called faith based religionists.

  • @dapaulson1

    We hate it because it is not only false, it is also a really stupid falsehood to believe :p

    First of it is not a religion, if you believe that you do not know what constitutes a religion.

    Secondly, calling non-belief a belief is silly way to try and shift the burden of proof that comes with all claims upon the one who does'nt believe it. Replace God with any other claim and you will see just how stupid this is.

  • @dapaulson1

    your statement about the evidence for and against holds true if you are talking about a deistic god (which to me atleast is of no relevance) but there are loads of evidence that suggest that the bible is not a historic account, and that personal gods are mythological, why do you think apologists exist?

    To try to cover up, make up interpretations of and spin those parts to seem less at odds with reality offcourse.

  • few hundred years ago... ask the audience: how many people believe the world is flat? everyone raises their hand.

  • @AscendingParadigm i don't believe in god but your point doesn't help, people have known the earth was round by solar eclipses and stuff for like over 1000 years,,

  • @WarringGod thanks for the correction. the point is, majority belief proves nothing. the host asks how many of the audience believe in god, as if the majority opinion is evidence for truth, when in fact majority opinion has been proven meaningless, as the majority believed the earth was flat a few 'thousand' years ago.

    not too long ago the folks of Salem where ignorant of hallucinogens and attributed their experiences to witchcraft.

    without science, all we have is superstition and myths.

  • My friend said the Bible is more powerful to explain, answer and solve all human kind's problems, even give people hope to everlasting life, than Dawkins's book that do nothing to explain nothing....should I choose Bible for my child?

  • You can't say "why is there something other than nothing. Well we have the answer" you haven't got the answer you've just made up some bullshit

  • You can't say "why is there something other than nothing. Well we have the answer" you haven't got the answer you've just made up some bullshit

  • I like how much this is a double standard. On the bottom of the screen sometimes there is nothing but trying to belittle Richard. But oh no we cant do the same bout religion can we

  • People are not satisfied with not knowing so we have a god. He explains everything for us..funny his explanations happen to coincide with what those same people want.

    What irritates me the most about religion is the way it slows real scientific progress which is slowly answering the questions. Were it not for religion this process would be further along already.

  • if dawkins had asked for another show of hands on how many people in the audience believed in an 'einsteinian god' or an anthropomorphic god,the god of the bible,the result would be different.

  • Let me sum this up.

    God = Things , Existence = Rooms

    You walk into a house with 2 rooms, the first room in the house is empty, there are no things in the room.

    You must guess if there are any "things" in the 2nd room or if it's empty.

    Both choices have equal evidence...when face with equal evidence, always choose the side that makes the least additional assumptions.

    It's an assumption that the 2nd room has things in it... likely empty.

    God likely doesnt exist.

    Thumbs up if you agree :)

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  • So god created everything. God was not created. Therefor, god is not a thing. If god is not a thing, he is no thing.. Nothing.. God is nothing.. Aka, he doesn't exist.

    There, god isn't real.

  • @DaFleegsta The theistic theory states that God is timeless and abstract. Atheistic theory states that earth came from the big bang but has no evidence for it. Tracing the evolutionary theory back to its roots, it doesn't have any. In other words it is saying that everything came out of nothing. Neither theory has any solid proof.

    Atheists are really agnostics. Then can't proov anything.

    bottom line: either something came from nothing or something came from something you decide which makes sense

  • @1337Jag First of all, the big bang theory is not the "atheistic theory". Atheism doesn't purpose any theories. Secondly, the big bang has tons of evidence (the movement patterns of our surrounding universe), perhaps you don't understand what the big bang theory actally is? Thirdly, evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, it simply explains the diversity of life.. You're thinking of abiogenesis (which still doesn't claim life came from 'nothing', but rather non-life).

  • @1337Jag Also, there IS evidence for abiogenesis (there have been tests done, it IS possible). Fourthly, atheism and agnosticism are NOT exclusive.. Agnosticism and gnosticism are simply types of atheism (they can be types of theism too). Gnosticism is about certainty. Atheists are, by default, agnostic; they don't claim there is no god, they only reject the claim that there is.

    Something coming from something makes more sense.. Matter cannot be created nor destroy, therefor it always existed.

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  • @DaFleegsta How is God not a thing? God is described as a deity, being omnipresent and very much a thing. You're logical jump is ridiculous, there are much better ways of trying to disprove god than your attempt.

  • @mongoliancarrot Because god was not created, and all things must have been created.

    And I'm not necessairly trying to disprove god, I just wanted to point out that little bit of humourous irony in religious beleif. God is unfalsifiable, it's impossible to disprove his existence.. But so are many imaginary things..

    Besides, it's up to the ones making the claims to prove it.

  • @DaFleegsta True he was not, but by merely acknowledging God then this argument becomes null. If you are to ask the question Hypothetically that God created everything, everything must have a creater so who created God? You're already acknowledging Gods existence in a hypthetical context. You merely need to look at the characteristics of a deity to realize this argument is useless. 'God' is said to be all powerful, all present and yet you are asking why he has a creator?...

  • @DaFleegsta ...If he is all powerful, and if you are to attribute him with divine qualities then surely he does not need to be created. To be created, limits his power. To say that God was created, and is all powerful is a fallacy. The 'has to be a creator' is the main objection I have to the big bang theory. That 'nothing' collapsed on itself doesn't work in science, there has to be something there, a catalyst to cause a reaction. If you are to say that various particles caused the big bang..

  • @DaFleegsta ...It poses the question, what created these particles. What created that which caused the bang? If you say that these were always there, are you not attributing divine qualities to them. For them not having a creator, or indeed the big bang happening without anything, it being the start of all life and time itself, then isn't it by definition a divinity?

  • @mongoliancarrot Scientists don't claim to know what CAUSED the big bang, they can only claim that it happened.. Because it did..

    But you're right in regards to the "god must have a creator" fallacy.. But I was merely pointing out that the god theory itself is a logical fallacy in the first place; If everything was created and god was not created then god is not a thing and therefor, nothing.

    Just so you know, the idea that matter and energy just always existed hasn't been ruled out.

  • @DaFleegsta wow if that floats your boat

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  • "Either the universe is self explanitory, and it contains it's own explanation in and of itself, and I don't think it does...."

    Well, according to Mr. Hawking, and negative energy, yes, it actually does explain itself. Nice try though.

  • Lots of words without saying anything, I can help you out, there is no god just life and death.

  • ...as the public does: science's chief spokesman for a kind of propaganda that is assaulting us from many fronts simultaneously, based on fearmongering, exploiting religious and racial tensions, consolidating central authority and its experts while destroying communities, influencing morality and shaping views.

    Of course, to the public swallowing the propaganda it all makes perfect sense...To them, anything's better than to use one's own mind anyway.