Orly needs to be kicked out of the US. She's a bottom feeding lowlife with an online law degree and zero credability. Just because faux news posters like William Wagner say she's telling the truth it doesn't make it so. Funny how none of the actual facts support a single thing Orly says. BTW in a recent poll 70% of americans say Obama is our legal president.
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See how the communist usurper goes out of his way to loot the treasury for the benefit of the failed bankers. You could not get a faster and more effective way to destroy wealth.
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The warnings of Orly and others have proved blindingly correct. The communist usurper is systematically destroying the Republic as he was always going to. Lets not pretend he is is black man. He's not a man he is a homosexual. Further to that a black man would be far more concerned with liberty. Larry Sinclair assures us that the usurper is white.
orly taitz has got to win a prize for cunt of the year. she opposes obama because he grew up with radical islam and was groomed in the environment of the dirty Chicago mafia. she asks "Can there be anything scarier than that?" has this got anything to do with the fact that she supports israel's continued war crimes against palestinians? she is so fucking blind to the obvious, she is a fake lawyer and a dodgy dentist who needs a slap in the twat to sort her out ASAP
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Look you fucking moronic Quislings. Lets have your evidence that he's not a usurper. Every move he makes suggests it.
You guys have got nothing. You are just gutless. Too fucking useless to demand a certificate from an obvious conman-usurper.
Its your feebleness you are expressing here. Not any sort of case. He's already wrecked your Republic. It will break up. And you are still just stupefied by this transparent gyp-artist.
What more do you need? His background. His associates? Dummies.
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Its a smoking gun still. You didn't have anything. Who claims its not significant. Where are you getting it from. Name names. If this marxist homo, who now has Chairman Mao's flag casting a shadow over the White House lawn, could prove eligibility ,the fact is he would have done so. Nothing could be more obvious. How far did you people get in school? You don't know a con-artist when he systematically destroys your Republic and takes your wallet. You deserve to be taken apart from within if so.
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What do you mean "admitted". As soon as he found he was going to cause trouble for the new messiah obviously he's going to back down. You are full of shit. Its evidence.
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Its possible the enemies of freedom could ruin her employment prospects sure. Thats hardly a good thing. There is a white homosexual usurper that needs to show up with a birth certificate. And when he shows up with this masterful fake people are going to have to ask himself, if he had it all along, why didn't he present it.
The constitution demands he be taken away under arrest.
It has nothing to do with "enemies of freedom", and everything to do with Orly knowingly entering forged documents into evidence, asking people to lie, refusing to follow court rules, and filing frivolous lawsuits and appeals.
Oh and good work on showing that no matter what he brings you will call it a fake. Why don't you just stick to the politics of your own country, and stay the hell out of the business of Americans?
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No thats all lies on your part. Orly did not knowingly enter any forged documents that the Obama camp inserted into the story. Rather she entered them quickly with the stated intention of checking them out entirely. They were checked out. Found to be forged like everything else coming from Obama. And the matter was resolved.
We will need to check everything coming from the usurper camp. And obviously it is no poor reflection on the vigilante side. Rather it reflects on the fraudulent.
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Of course its his fault. He ought never have illegally stood to be a state Senator. Maliciously ruining other peoples reputations in doing so by the way. He ought not have let his foreign backers murder Don Young. He ought not have helped another fellow usurp power via stirring up sectarian violence in Kenya.... And so forth. He's a criminal wrecking the States from within for foreign backers.
You have no evidence none whatsoever that Obama is a U.S. Citizen, You're fucking mad because he's a black man happens to be your president. Give it up prick!
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You toadying little anti-Constitutional puke. You never had a debunking did you? You couldn't debunk a ride home in a snowstorm even if you were some Karl Popper extremist could you.
And yet you will watch this Marxist usurper disarm and rip your country apart. And why? Its because you are a house nigger. A righteous man like Malcolm would have despised vermin such as yourself.
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Thats a make-believe debunking. What is your point?
We might call that a faux-debunking. Which is no debunking at all. Thats like when the fat kid attempts to jump over a daisy, squashes it, and says "Look I hurdled it" and everyone doesn't care to gainsay him.
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The fact that he was born in Kenya used to be a selling point.
Here is an article from the Kenyan Standard back when he was rorting his way into the Senate.
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations
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Its not a matter of applying harsher evidence. Its only about applying the evidence which exists. All of it pointing to a conman. A highly destructive marxist usurper. He has kicked away the last semblance of the rule of law. Paradoxically he may have done everyone a favour. The Republic looked on the mend circa 1987. By about 2004 it looked pretty rotten. I think we can see now that it was never going to mend. That the rot was there. And that it needed to be confronted.
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Soetoro needs a greater level of proof now. That ought to be obvious. He's going to, after all this time, be able to come up with fantastic documentation. So clearly the proof bar is higher. Particularly as he's systematically destroying the constitution and the Republic that this constitution is supposed to govern.
My last post on this subject.. To be partisan one has to belong to a party. I am an independent--not GOP or Dem. Give me a ring when zerobama is proven to be a fake and phoney, much like the guy that "did not have sex with that woman..." At that time, Clinton supporters were trashing those who did not believe him, much like zerobama's are doing now as a result of his sealing all his records and hiding his real identity.There is more than just a "blue dress" out there--and it wil be found,.
Well, I see that all my posts have been removed, so I'll say goodbye to all you zerobama supporters. You've managed to get my free speech violated just as zerobama wants. All opposing views of others have also been scrubbed. So to all those who are reading these posts take notice: you'll be losing all your freedoms if zerobama continues usurping the presidency of our United States and using Saul Alinsky tactics to silence your voice. He will be stopped in the end.
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You "thought" you were DOJ? You mean: you don't know? Don't need a lot of knowledge about law--just Common Sense to realize that zerobama is hiding his past by not producing his records and spending large amounts of money to do so. This is the transparency he promised? Take a hike!
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Yes, I've been this way since the phony wiggled his way in to the WH. Thanks for the information. Didn't help you too much, though, did it. Maybe you got your treatment from the "trained scientist". Should have used your private doctor or an accredited physciatrist. In the end, we'll see who the idiots really are--count on it. Meanwhile, drink your koolaid.
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Using the race card? Now we know you're working out of the DOJ. Why don't you get a REAL job instead of harrassing these people who are just looking for and want the truth about your phoney boss.
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Better go back to school and study U.S. history. Our founding fathers used "The Law of Nations" as a guide to writing the Constitution. Persons born on U.S. soil are citizens--just citizens--if their parents are not citizens. U.S. v Wong did not make them "natural born citizens" Better read it again--this time, slowly.
BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS! (Sung to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic") Mine eyes have not yet seen Obama's birth certificate. It is hidden in a vault Where no mere mortal hand can get. Obama's C. O. L. B. is a Lousy counterfeit. It's proof we're searching for!!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Taitz and Berg are gonna sue ya!!! It's so easy to see through ya!!! It's proof we're searching for!!!
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Just because Congress thinks Obama is fit to hold office doesn't mean he is. I don't trust the judgement of Congress on anything they do for us. If Congress ever began impeachment proceedings, it would be because the public demanded it, due to Obama's illegal and fraudulent activities connected to ACORN. At the very least, if we can't get him out with a foreign BC, we should be able to get him disbarred. A disbarred president cannot stay in office.
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Do you know basic US law? To be President, one has to have both parents as US citizens--not necessarily born here, but Naturalized. Barack had one parent, his father, who was never a Naturalized US Citizen. His father was from Kenya.
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No thats not right. You are just allowing yourself to be stooged. The marxists now have their man in the office. He's trashing the Republic right before your eyes. So its only natural that the left will be there with this shitrain of misinformation.
There is no possible way this idiot-clown Marxist could be eligible. For starters he's an oathbreaker. Secondly to be eligible you need to be willing to prove it, Thirdly no-one can say when he repatriated and took the oath of allegience.
the republicans are already trash, nobody has to do anything but pay attention and watch the supid things they do and say and check out how false thier lies are.
If you are an educated Republican - is there any doubt now that you're party has gone fishing? Come back to the light - GOP/RNC/Birthers - Time to have you committed! LOL.
These people aren't worth bickering with. They make up laws and stipulations to support their crackpot theories, and ANY birth certificate would be declared "fake." These are the same people who discard rational thought, calm debate, and even honesty - in favor of the principle of "because he's a doodiehead!!"
For eight years, everytime I made any remarks on GWB, I was shouted down and told that dissent from his views was treason. Well, maybe it's us Dems' jobs to return the favor.
It's interesting that the level of proof they demand of Obama's birth certificate is much greater than that which they require of Orly Taitz' evidence.
Type in google search the words: natural born citizen. You should find a few articles proving that, to be a natural born citizen, you do need BOTH parents to be AMERICAN citizens!!
BUT many links do not even know at all this second condition (purposefully to back Obama's lack of compliance with it or by lack of knowledge) because it is a rare case!!
Check:
-Apuzzo site at puzo1 blogspot com
-"Defining Natural-Born Citizen" By Madison at federalistblog us
For those who believe (without truly knowing) that the second condition to be a natural born citizen does not exist [2) BOTH PARENTS must be AMERICAN Citizens], do a search on Google and read the thorough article called "The Logical analysis of a Natural Born Citizen" on birthers org . Only then, could you start discussing whether it applies to Obama's current situation!
Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
Is Obama a closet Muslim who converted to Christianity only to further his political ambitions? Apparently yes!
Here is why. Only Muslims bow to the dictator "King" of Saudi Arabia because he is the guardian of Islam's holiest sites. Therefore, when OBAMA BOWED TO THE KING OF SAUDI ARABIA AND KISSED HIS HAND!! , there was no need for more conspicuous testimony that HE IS INDEED A CLOSET MUSLIM. NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT DID THAT BEFORE!
Search the video on youtube using: Obama Bows to Saudi King.
The second condition to be a natural born citizen (to be President) is explained in the following youtube videos. It is an INDISPENSABLE condition to be a President. 2 conditions: 1) must be born in the USA; 2) BOTH PARENTS must be AMERICAN citizens.
Do a search on youtube to find these videos using:
-"Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?"
-"Part 1 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
-"Part 2 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
SAD BUT TRUE OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON!
Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE, TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE USA, YOU MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITH THE FOLLOWING 2 CONDITIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA THAT MUST BE MET:
1) Obama must prove that he was born in the USA.
2) BOTH PARENTS must be AMERICAN Citizens.
Obama's father was never an American citizen!
Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
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Its not "her" faked certificate idiot. She lodged it pending it being checked out. She did her due diligence. It was an Obama fake that wanted to get caught. Professional unlike his earlier fakes. But with the numbers and words that could easily have been changed but were left in in order for it to be indentified as a fake.
It was another fake in the service of Obama. But the first fake that wasn't a botched job but rather one with the intention of being caught.
Well you don't know he was an American in the first place. But I'd dispute that he wouldn't have to go through the motions, take the pledge and repatriate.
If he's legit then he wouldn't have hidden anything in the first place. If you cannot see that there is something wrong with his eligibility you are not going to notice whole football teams going in and out of your wifes bedroom.
Se if you can find another President pulling this stunt? Nixon? Anyone?
Goose steppers don't have time to read. AP released Occidental College enrollment for Obama, registered as a foreign student with Indonesian citizenship.
Why?
Because he has Indonesian citizenship, he has an Indonesian passport.
He never reaffirmed his American citizenship because that would make him a naturalized citizen having had Indonesian citizenship from his adoption by Lolo Soetoro.
So he has COLB. And umpteen aliases and numerous Social Security numbers. He is a fraud.
Even if he ever had an Indonesian passport, that doesn't negate his US citizenship. US law is quite specific in this. A parent can't strip a child of US citizenship; that child must, at the age of majority, denounce his own US citizenship and Obama never did that. There was never a need to reaffirm this. Just check out the law yourself. I've listed it in my previous videos.
How much are you earning promoting Obama's crap, did you get hired from CraigsList?
When you are not born of both parents who are citizens you are not natural born. Natural born means you have no allegiance any where else to distract from being a good president.
Why does it not negate it? Because it pleases you? His panel of czars are just advising him on who to deny coverage to & to whom to give assisted suicide to. Maybe its you, your mother or father, Or more likely, you don't give a damn.
I might ask you the same questions, because it is clear you've failed to do any independent research. You are merely a parrot, repeating what your master's tell you. I simply invited you to check existing federal law. If that task is beyond you then I certainly can't help that!
I see that your anti-Obama idiocy isn't limited to being a birther. Now you are buying into Palin's shit. You truly will believe anything, as long as it satisfies your emotional need to be a victim.
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Smallworldfilms: Are you working out of the DOJ or are you just so caught up in zerobamas con job that you have nothing else (no REAL proof) but insults and a phoney claim of "doing your research" . You are just as phoney as zerobama. I suggest that YOU do some REAL checking and some REAL research before you demean others who know what they are talking about. Better get off the wrong side of history and see the light before your hero is finally ex;osed and you might go down with him.
I presume you are setting yourself up as the real thing (not a phony) yet you offer no facts in defense of Taitz. Of course, that would be difficult for you to do, because you would reject any fact that does not agree with your opinion.
In point of fact, I'm a trained scientist and believe in the scientific method. I would welcome the opportunity to review your "facts", if they exist.
Gee! I'm at lost for words. You're a real life, trained scientist? Like the fictional one that created the Frankenstein monster--or just supporting the one "acting" as president. There are so many "experts" and learned men without an ounce of common sense to wonder why a man would spend close to two million dollars to hide who he truly is. Would it make you wonder what he is trying to hide? Of course not, you"re a trained scientist, a smart man/woman.
No, you aren't at a loss for words. You've got lots of them; they don't count for much, but maybe if you throw a lot of them together people wont notice.
If you'll remember, I asked you for facts. You've offered nothing but more innuendo and supposition, which is why your word count in unimpressive.
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Its true that he has nothing to do with the founders. But since his book came out in 1758 it might be one of those things which give us a clue as to what the founders meant by "native born American."
You may have to consider the notion that Orly may be correct.
" Also you admit that you don't care about the law of the United States."
No you are lying. But case law cannot change constitutional law and obviously so. Only an idiot could believe otherwise.
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No no you are an idiot. If you think that a humble magistrate can invent his own constitutional amendment. If the founding fathers had meant that they would have said so. They would have given a green light.
And 1000 times won't make the spell. If the kid is coming back from Indonesia he has to go and repatriate. You don't have the date or document. You don't have the evidence for him being an American in the first place.
Vattel only gives us a clue as to what the founders meant.
Obama never had to repatriate because he never gave up his US citizenship. Check out the law itself and you'll see. Whatever you think of his place of birth, he had been recognized as a US citizen - with a US passport - when he traveled to Indonesia. US citizenship is remarkably hard to lose. Parents can't do it for kids. Only the child, when he's of age, can renounce his citizenship before a US official, but there is no record of that ever happening.
You are thick as a brick. A child does not lose his US citizenship, under US law. Obama never lost his in Indonesia and thus, never had to repatriate. This is simple, basic law.
So you reckon they are all trying to be President? You are mixing up citizen with "natural born citizen". This business about Vattel is relevant to figuring out what exactly the founding fathers MEANT at the time by the phrase "natural born citizen". He wrote his book in 1758. And it might well be that this is what they thought they were saying with the phrase.
US case law is irrelevant since judges have to get their own constitutional amendment if they wish to change the law.
This is quite apart from the fact that Barry hasn't proven his Hawaiian birth. The registrar has made this claim, illegally by the way. She has to prove it. We cannot go on her sayso alone.
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But they have to repatriate when they come back. We have three confirmed citizenships for this fellow. None of them US. He was born British, attained Kenyan and then Indonesian citizenship. What we do not know is if he ever had, then subsequently BOTHERED TO REGAIN his American citizenship. Now it may be the case that repatriation was a simple formality. Certainly were he ever American in the first place you'd expect that, as you infer i your absolutist way. But did he? Find the date.
Take the eligibility to get into another country. You refuse point blank to tell them who you are. You wont show them your Visa. You refuse to wear your pants or underwear. And youve stuffed your shirt with all this gear and are telling everyone its hardcore drugs Well it doesnt matter that your Visa would check out, you could CONCEIVABLY put your underpants and your pants back on.
you could CONCEIVABLY demonstrate that you were only joking around about the drugs. and so forth Well the fact is you are still not eligible to get through the gates.
He would have to repatriate and take the oath its nothing his alleged real father did. He was adopted.
It wouldn't be announced at the US consulate if he were not a citizen in the first place. And no thats not credible. Since it would be a matter between them and Indonesia. The US cannot force them to show up at a consulate and renounce matters.
He would have to repatriate and take the oath.
But this is secondary to him refusing to prove eligibility. Unwillingness makes him ineligible.
Sure he can. Supposing he was a US citizen in the first place. He becomes an Indonesian citizen. He has to go through immigration again and take the oath if he is to become a US citizen.
Now it does not look like he did that. If here were a citizen. And in 1980 he appears to have gone to Pakistan on the basis of whatever his non-US citizenship was at the time.
US Immigration and Naturalization Law states that a minor child can not form the intent to give up his US citizenship. Even if his mother and stepfather wanted him to be an Indonesian citizen, Obama still would have retained his US citizenship and would not have had to take an oath to regain it. You can't regain what you've never lost. He went to Pakistan with a US passport like any US citizen could at the time.
No no. You are wrong. He HAD TO give up his American citizenship to become an Indonesian at that time.
I'm not saying that if he was an American and gave it up (which we don't know) he couldn't get it back as a formality. But he would still have to take the oath. And we would need to know when he did this and the documentation for this.
There is no mystery about the motivation. Firstly he's ruining the country. Now he's trying to set up a dictatorship via the health legislation. He's spending you into oblivion. There are killings associated with him in Kenya and the US. And he refuses to prove he's eligible.
You don't KNOW he's eligibile. Since he refuses to prove it.. And any eligibility requirement requires not just the ability to prove eligibility, but also the WILLINGNESS to do so.
No thats not right. If he became an Indonesian citizen he had to give up his American citizen. Since Indonesia at that time would not allow any dual citizenship.
So you don't know if he's a US citizen unless you have the date and documentation of his repatriation.
No we aren't debunked. .What are we debunked by? He's only come up with fake documents. You cannot be debunked by a fake African documents. I'm sure Obama's got a thousand more where that came from.
The only evidence is the REAL documents. And Obama will not hand them over.
Hawaiian assurances aren't enough. We need to know if he's repatriated from Indonesia for starters.Berg reckons he's received a bunch of fake documents. Whats that evidence for? Not for his eligibility.
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Come off it. Its hardly her faked Kenyan birth certificate. Clearly this was a fakeup by the Obama camp. Like every certificate we've seen so far. This stream of fake certificates is evidence against the Obama camp because they are the ones supplying them.
It's her faked Kenyan birth certificate. She bought it fair and square from the guy who tried to sell it on eBay. Oh, I forgot. She's just a victim of the evil government, and if she didn't bother to validate it's authenticity before she opened her mouth - well that must have been because of government mind control.
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SWF: False information! The Kenyan BC has not been proven fake, nor has it been authenicated. It probably is the real thing--the way you fellows are riding is so hard.
Yes, the Kenyan BC was proven fake. No, it hasn't been authenticated. No, no one is riding it hard...this is old news and you are just late getting on the bandwagon.
Even her own client has denounced her as unprofessional!
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I suppose you would know, being a trained scientist. So Lucas Smith, the man who produced the Kenyan BC and a sworn statement to its being the real thing has put himself in jeopardy of jail-time if it's proven phoney. Now, why would he do such a thing? He's no dummy. Please--your scientific view. And for your edification, I've been on board long before the "bandwagon" passed your way. Sorry...
Good question, yet we see people doing such things every day. For instance, when Mr. Smith was deposed in Taitz' case against Obama, he stated several times that Taitz had coached him to lie. His testimony was damning! Either he's lying about her, or she's the liar. Even if Taitz was telling the truth she failed to do due diligence in verifying her evidence. Cpt. Barnett - her client - also castigated Taitz. With so many liars, what can be believed?
You should really read Smith's deposition (10/12/09)! It's very illuminating. If Smith, Taitz' "star witness" and the cornerstone of the case is telling the truth, then Smith is a convicted criminal, Taitz was having an extramarital affair with her aid who himself is a disbarred attorney, and that Taitz refused to do any research or investigation to prove the case. Smith was amazed that Taitz believed Obama had to prove his innocence in a US court of law! I'm amazed too!!
Why do birthers require a greater level of proof of Obama's status as a natural born citizen then they do of their own evidence? I know, I know! Because if they required the same level of integrity of their own sources they'd have nothing to talk about.
The Constitutional requirement that only a natural born citizen, that is a person born on USA soil to two USA citizen parents, could serve as POTUS, has been set by precedent, in the history of all US Presidents, being born on USA soil to two USA citizen parents. Not all parents were born in the USA, as some were naturalized before the birth. One VP succeeded to POTUS, on assassination, but kept secret he was not NBC. We know about Obama, and we are onto him.
While some things may be done traditionally, they don't supersede the rule of law, or interpretation of the law by courts. The law, as interpreted by judges since the late part of the 19th century holds that one can be a natural born citizen even if neither parent is a citizen. The Constitution does not define "natural born citizen" nor does it require 2 US citizen parents.
Thank you! I appreciate people who provide references so that I can read and learn.
However, the definition of dual-citizenship does not relate to or define natural born citizen.
A person could not be president if he had dual citizenship, but Obama lost that status at the age of 21.
Courts hold that natural born citizenship is based on the concept of jus soli ("law of ground") or citizenship based on where the individual was born.
SWF, Citizenship only requires birth of blood or on soil. If NBC only required birth on soil, then a few million anchor babies would qualify for POTUS. At best,you have flimsy evidence of a Hawaiian birth, Hawaiian residence, yes, but not a birth. The requirement, of both blood and soil for NBC, has long been established and followed, until, BHO. Obama admits his father was British. He is dual citizen. What reference have you to show at age 21 BHO II, changed to a naturalized citizen or NBC?
Actually I did a series of 3 videos covering this topic, with references. Please feel free to check them out.
British law at the time required that persons who had citizenship as the result of having a Kenyan parent had, at the age of 21, to renounce any other citizenship or lose their British citizenship. Since he didn't renounce his US citizenship, he lost his British citizenship.
While both blood and soil are criteria for NBC, they are not required to be present in the same person.
I disagree with your assessment of the validity of the Hawaiian birth certificate. The State has certified publicly that he is a US citizen, which is what is required by law.
SmallWorldFilms, you are free, for now, to trust the government. It is not that I don't trust the State of Hawaii government, but I simply can't. We dont destroy vital records, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said. Thats our whole job, to maintain and retain vital records. Google M1139416728.GIF
I am free, for as long as I wish and for as much or as little as I wish, to trust the government, but when you are talking about the law - as we are - the only recourse is to go about changing the law if you don't like it.
"Barack Obama presented the COLB, which was verified by the State of Hawaii. "
No you are lying. The State of Hawaii have verified that they have his birth certificate. They have NOT verified any rubbish that Barry has left lying around the net.
And this latest fraud is just another bad mark against the Soetoro camp.
No you are lying. He hasn't presented his birth certificate. Neither you or anyone out of Hawaii has seen it. And while the Hawaiians say they have his birth certificate they aren't going to show it to anyone. They have not endorsed any of the certificates that have been on the internet. Nor would they be likely to endorse such fakery.
The second condition to be a natural born citizen (to be President) is explained in the following youtube videos. It is an INDISPENSABLE condition to be a President. 2 conditions: 1) must be born in the USA; 2) BOTH parents must be American citizens.
Do a search on youtube to find these videos:
--"Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?"
--"Part 1 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
--"Part 2 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
SAD BUT TRUE, OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON!
I can show you my series of videos too, but mine are based on the Constitution, federal law, and legal determinations by actual judges. I did my own actual research before making the videos.
I do admire your devotion to your cause, just not the amount of actual effort you've put into verifying what you say.
Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE, TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE USA, YOU MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITH THE FOLLOWING 2 CONDITIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA THAT MUST BE MET:
1) Obama must prove that he was born in the USA.
2) BOTH parents must be American Citizens.
Obama's father was never an American citizen!
Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
There is nothing in the Constitution about having two citizens for parents in order to be eligible for the Presidency. Did you watch the video? Or is this just spam?
Interesting that you said there are two conditions of citizenship stated in the Constitution. Can you show me? Because every copy I've ever seen does not define natural born citizen. You must have one of those copies being printed by the Orly Taitz Publishing Co., the same folks who brought you the Canadian Birth Certificate forgery and the Kenyan Birth Certificate forgery.
Frankly, I prefer reality and the real Constitution.
Why dont somebody just pay for her planeticket so she can go and see the bloody certificate herself? If that dont help, they should just put her in a mental hospital.
Well if you are going to fabricate documents in the first place and not show any real ones, of course any document you do show is eventually going to be taken for yet another fake.
Just look at the mindset of dennymclain2008. The conspiracist mind is willing to create all sorts of intricate plots to explain away their own failure to authenticate documents. Taitz hasn't shown much interest in ethics in the past. I fully expect she'd explain away evidence that doesn't support her agenda.
She has a market for her crazy ideas about America. White supremest, racist and conspiracy kooks. Even though this is a very,very small percentage of Americans it is still enough to fill up a football stadium.That means somewhere between 50,000 - 70,000 ppl. That may sound like a lot but keep in mind that there are around 300million Americans. This movement is proof that the deep south has taken over the republican party and that is bad news for the G.O.P. nationwide. Obama is sure to win again!
did you guys see the document she produced saturday night? wnd picked it up... it looks authentic. we need to have it authenticated. if it is a hoax... it does not discredit birthers, the only way to do that is for obama to release his real vault copy.
It doesn't discredit Taitz if she files a blatant forgery with a court? Must be nice to not have to worry about being truthful or honest I suppose.
Protip: that picture of the doc claims that it's from the "Republic of Kenya." Problem with that is the doc is dated over half a year before the Republic of Kenya was formed.
i said it doesnt discredit birthers you retard. can you not fkn read? just because obama's nutjobs plant a hoax does not let him off the hook. why doesnt he release his records? because he is the Joker!!!!!!!!!
Taitz is the "Queen of the birthers." She's put forth this allegation that this picture of a doc represents Obama's true birth certificate. There are very basic problems with it that make it a pretty obvious forgery. Any court submission is done under oath; if she's fallen for such an obvious hoax, then that's more evidence she has no credibility (not that she did anyway, her pleadings are packed with falsehoods). If your leader has no credibility, the movement doesn't either.
She submitted a picture of a document; she doesn't know where it actually came from (she presumes Kenya), and again, there are parts of this document that make it a blatant forgery (signed by a laundry detergent brand; "Republic of Kenya" months before its founding, Mombasa was part of Zanzibar).
Yes, for taking a blatant forgery like that and wasting the court's time on it she should be sanctioned and disbarred, along with all the other items in the lengthy bar ethics complaint against her.
How does it NOT discredit birthers if they offer up lies and forgeries? How does it not discredit Taitz if she offers up a forgery to an officer of the court, as an officer of the court?
Or am I really supposed to believe that Taitz is so gullible that, as you say, Obama's folks gave her a hoax to discredit her? Really? How can you say that with a straight face? Even if this were true, she'd still be wrong for not checking the veracity of the "document" before opening her mouth about it.
While Orly Taitz was born in Russia, she emigrated to Israel and has dual US/Israeli citizenship. The California State Bar website lists her undergrad degree as Hebrew University, Jerusalem. It is curious she downplays her Israeli side and always says, "I was born in the Soviet Union". It is disloyal to the country that took her in and educated her. Could it be she is well aware of the antipathy so many on the right have toward Jews?
Orly needs to be kicked out of the US. She's a bottom feeding lowlife with an online law degree and zero credability. Just because faux news posters like William Wagner say she's telling the truth it doesn't make it so. Funny how none of the actual facts support a single thing Orly says. BTW in a recent poll 70% of americans say Obama is our legal president.
abrnt1 10 months ago
56% of Americans doubt Obama was born in USA.
frethis555 1 year ago
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See how the communist usurper goes out of his way to loot the treasury for the benefit of the failed bankers. You could not get a faster and more effective way to destroy wealth.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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The warnings of Orly and others have proved blindingly correct. The communist usurper is systematically destroying the Republic as he was always going to. Lets not pretend he is is black man. He's not a man he is a homosexual. Further to that a black man would be far more concerned with liberty. Larry Sinclair assures us that the usurper is white.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Sinclair is a felon...u got that right?
virusshaker39 2 years ago 2
orly taitz has got to win a prize for cunt of the year. she opposes obama because he grew up with radical islam and was groomed in the environment of the dirty Chicago mafia. she asks "Can there be anything scarier than that?" has this got anything to do with the fact that she supports israel's continued war crimes against palestinians? she is so fucking blind to the obvious, she is a fake lawyer and a dodgy dentist who needs a slap in the twat to sort her out ASAP
Hallucigeniacouk 2 years ago 5
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Yes I do have evidence but I don't NEED evidence you fucking moron. Its not me going for a restricted job you irresponsible house-nigger.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Does that make you feel good or superior to say house-nigger???? You are a pathetic asswipe. You don't live in the US so butt out.
fawjaw 2 years ago 8
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Look you fucking moronic Quislings. Lets have your evidence that he's not a usurper. Every move he makes suggests it.
You guys have got nothing. You are just gutless. Too fucking useless to demand a certificate from an obvious conman-usurper.
Its your feebleness you are expressing here. Not any sort of case. He's already wrecked your Republic. It will break up. And you are still just stupefied by this transparent gyp-artist.
What more do you need? His background. His associates? Dummies.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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Its a smoking gun still. You didn't have anything. Who claims its not significant. Where are you getting it from. Name names. If this marxist homo, who now has Chairman Mao's flag casting a shadow over the White House lawn, could prove eligibility ,the fact is he would have done so. Nothing could be more obvious. How far did you people get in school? You don't know a con-artist when he systematically destroys your Republic and takes your wallet. You deserve to be taken apart from within if so.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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What do you mean "admitted". As soon as he found he was going to cause trouble for the new messiah obviously he's going to back down. You are full of shit. Its evidence.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Orly Taitz, is a loser. She won't be an attorney much longer with the level of fail she is going at.
ex1193 2 years ago 5
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Its possible the enemies of freedom could ruin her employment prospects sure. Thats hardly a good thing. There is a white homosexual usurper that needs to show up with a birth certificate. And when he shows up with this masterful fake people are going to have to ask himself, if he had it all along, why didn't he present it.
The constitution demands he be taken away under arrest.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
It has nothing to do with "enemies of freedom", and everything to do with Orly knowingly entering forged documents into evidence, asking people to lie, refusing to follow court rules, and filing frivolous lawsuits and appeals.
Oh and good work on showing that no matter what he brings you will call it a fake. Why don't you just stick to the politics of your own country, and stay the hell out of the business of Americans?
virusshaker39 2 years ago 10
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No thats all lies on your part. Orly did not knowingly enter any forged documents that the Obama camp inserted into the story. Rather she entered them quickly with the stated intention of checking them out entirely. They were checked out. Found to be forged like everything else coming from Obama. And the matter was resolved.
We will need to check everything coming from the usurper camp. And obviously it is no poor reflection on the vigilante side. Rather it reflects on the fraudulent.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Yeah. It's Obama's fault, because you birthers are such a powerful force. Geez.
virusshaker39 2 years ago 12
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Of course its his fault. He ought never have illegally stood to be a state Senator. Maliciously ruining other peoples reputations in doing so by the way. He ought not have let his foreign backers murder Don Young. He ought not have helped another fellow usurp power via stirring up sectarian violence in Kenya.... And so forth. He's a criminal wrecking the States from within for foreign backers.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
You have no evidence none whatsoever that Obama is a U.S. Citizen, You're fucking mad because he's a black man happens to be your president. Give it up prick!
MooseShady 2 years ago 3
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You toadying little anti-Constitutional puke. You never had a debunking did you? You couldn't debunk a ride home in a snowstorm even if you were some Karl Popper extremist could you.
And yet you will watch this Marxist usurper disarm and rip your country apart. And why? Its because you are a house nigger. A righteous man like Malcolm would have despised vermin such as yourself.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
"you are a house nigger."
What the hell dude?
virusshaker39 2 years ago 5
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So in fact you HAD no debunking did you? So in fact you are an idiot. And a house nigger right?
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Racist much?
ex1193 2 years ago 6
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Thats a make-believe debunking. What is your point?
We might call that a faux-debunking. Which is no debunking at all. Thats like when the fat kid attempts to jump over a daisy, squashes it, and says "Look I hurdled it" and everyone doesn't care to gainsay him.
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GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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The fact that he was born in Kenya used to be a selling point.
Here is an article from the Kenyan Standard back when he was rorting his way into the Senate.
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations
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GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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Its not a matter of applying harsher evidence. Its only about applying the evidence which exists. All of it pointing to a conman. A highly destructive marxist usurper. He has kicked away the last semblance of the rule of law. Paradoxically he may have done everyone a favour. The Republic looked on the mend circa 1987. By about 2004 it looked pretty rotten. I think we can see now that it was never going to mend. That the rot was there. And that it needed to be confronted.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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Soetoro needs a greater level of proof now. That ought to be obvious. He's going to, after all this time, be able to come up with fantastic documentation. So clearly the proof bar is higher. Particularly as he's systematically destroying the constitution and the Republic that this constitution is supposed to govern.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
My last post on this subject.. To be partisan one has to belong to a party. I am an independent--not GOP or Dem. Give me a ring when zerobama is proven to be a fake and phoney, much like the guy that "did not have sex with that woman..." At that time, Clinton supporters were trashing those who did not believe him, much like zerobama's are doing now as a result of his sealing all his records and hiding his real identity.There is more than just a "blue dress" out there--and it wil be found,.
zanesbil 2 years ago
Five stars
ChicagoJoe57 2 years ago
Well, I see that all my posts have been removed, so I'll say goodbye to all you zerobama supporters. You've managed to get my free speech violated just as zerobama wants. All opposing views of others have also been scrubbed. So to all those who are reading these posts take notice: you'll be losing all your freedoms if zerobama continues usurping the presidency of our United States and using Saul Alinsky tactics to silence your voice. He will be stopped in the end.
zanesbil 2 years ago
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You "thought" you were DOJ? You mean: you don't know? Don't need a lot of knowledge about law--just Common Sense to realize that zerobama is hiding his past by not producing his records and spending large amounts of money to do so. This is the transparency he promised? Take a hike!
zanesbil 2 years ago
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Dr. Orly Taitz is listed as ACTIVE in the California State BAR, she has no disciplinary actions.
Would you mind if a dual citizen USA/Mexican ran for and won the POTUS in 2012?
"Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada", which translates "For the Race, everything, outside the Race, nothing"
borderraven 2 years ago
Yes, I would mind if Orly Taitz ran for any office besides dog catcher!
ChicagoJoe57 2 years ago
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Yes, I've been this way since the phony wiggled his way in to the WH. Thanks for the information. Didn't help you too much, though, did it. Maybe you got your treatment from the "trained scientist". Should have used your private doctor or an accredited physciatrist. In the end, we'll see who the idiots really are--count on it. Meanwhile, drink your koolaid.
zanesbil 2 years ago
Thank you! You are absolutely correct.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
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Using the race card? Now we know you're working out of the DOJ. Why don't you get a REAL job instead of harrassing these people who are just looking for and want the truth about your phoney boss.
zanesbil 2 years ago
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Better go back to school and study U.S. history. Our founding fathers used "The Law of Nations" as a guide to writing the Constitution. Persons born on U.S. soil are citizens--just citizens--if their parents are not citizens. U.S. v Wong did not make them "natural born citizens" Better read it again--this time, slowly.
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JEDIALADDIN 2 years ago 2
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Just because Congress thinks Obama is fit to hold office doesn't mean he is. I don't trust the judgement of Congress on anything they do for us. If Congress ever began impeachment proceedings, it would be because the public demanded it, due to Obama's illegal and fraudulent activities connected to ACORN. At the very least, if we can't get him out with a foreign BC, we should be able to get him disbarred. A disbarred president cannot stay in office.
lauermar 2 years ago
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Do you know basic US law? To be President, one has to have both parents as US citizens--not necessarily born here, but Naturalized. Barack had one parent, his father, who was never a Naturalized US Citizen. His father was from Kenya.
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clarity023 2 years ago 2
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No thats not right. You are just allowing yourself to be stooged. The marxists now have their man in the office. He's trashing the Republic right before your eyes. So its only natural that the left will be there with this shitrain of misinformation.
There is no possible way this idiot-clown Marxist could be eligible. For starters he's an oathbreaker. Secondly to be eligible you need to be willing to prove it, Thirdly no-one can say when he repatriated and took the oath of allegience.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
GMBCATASTROPHE:
the republicans are already trash, nobody has to do anything but pay attention and watch the supid things they do and say and check out how false thier lies are.
theworldturnsdaily 2 years ago
Orly Taitz: an idiot Russian peroxide blonde with 0 knowledge of American laws, and natural born citizen definition.
Just a clown with an unaccredited online law course. She should be deported to Russia!
sarinagar90 2 years ago 2
If you are an educated Republican - is there any doubt now that you're party has gone fishing? Come back to the light - GOP/RNC/Birthers - Time to have you committed! LOL.
KJamesB 2 years ago
KjamesB: Educated Republican is a qualified oxymoron, any republican that is ether intelligent or educated is also either delusional or criminal.
theworldturnsdaily 2 years ago
These people aren't worth bickering with. They make up laws and stipulations to support their crackpot theories, and ANY birth certificate would be declared "fake." These are the same people who discard rational thought, calm debate, and even honesty - in favor of the principle of "because he's a doodiehead!!"
For eight years, everytime I made any remarks on GWB, I was shouted down and told that dissent from his views was treason. Well, maybe it's us Dems' jobs to return the favor.
coryj101 2 years ago 5
It's interesting that the level of proof they demand of Obama's birth certificate is much greater than that which they require of Orly Taitz' evidence.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
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Type in google search the words: natural born citizen. You should find a few articles proving that, to be a natural born citizen, you do need BOTH parents to be AMERICAN citizens!!
BUT many links do not even know at all this second condition (purposefully to back Obama's lack of compliance with it or by lack of knowledge) because it is a rare case!!
Check:
-Apuzzo site at puzo1 blogspot com
-"Defining Natural-Born Citizen" By Madison at federalistblog us
-site naturalborncitizen wordpress com
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
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For those who believe (without truly knowing) that the second condition to be a natural born citizen does not exist [2) BOTH PARENTS must be AMERICAN Citizens], do a search on Google and read the thorough article called "The Logical analysis of a Natural Born Citizen" on birthers org . Only then, could you start discussing whether it applies to Obama's current situation!
Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
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Is Obama a closet Muslim who converted to Christianity only to further his political ambitions? Apparently yes!
Here is why. Only Muslims bow to the dictator "King" of Saudi Arabia because he is the guardian of Islam's holiest sites. Therefore, when OBAMA BOWED TO THE KING OF SAUDI ARABIA AND KISSED HIS HAND!! , there was no need for more conspicuous testimony that HE IS INDEED A CLOSET MUSLIM. NO AMERICAN PRESIDENT DID THAT BEFORE!
Search the video on youtube using: Obama Bows to Saudi King.
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
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The second condition to be a natural born citizen (to be President) is explained in the following youtube videos. It is an INDISPENSABLE condition to be a President. 2 conditions: 1) must be born in the USA; 2) BOTH PARENTS must be AMERICAN citizens.
Do a search on youtube to find these videos using:
-"Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?"
-"Part 1 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
-"Part 2 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
SAD BUT TRUE OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON!
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
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Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE, TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE USA, YOU MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITH THE FOLLOWING 2 CONDITIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA THAT MUST BE MET:
1) Obama must prove that he was born in the USA.
2) BOTH PARENTS must be AMERICAN Citizens.
Obama's father was never an American citizen!
Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
SPREAD THE SAD NEWS!
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
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Its not "her" faked certificate idiot. She lodged it pending it being checked out. She did her due diligence. It was an Obama fake that wanted to get caught. Professional unlike his earlier fakes. But with the numbers and words that could easily have been changed but were left in in order for it to be indentified as a fake.
It was another fake in the service of Obama. But the first fake that wasn't a botched job but rather one with the intention of being caught.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Well stated.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
Well you don't know he was an American in the first place. But I'd dispute that he wouldn't have to go through the motions, take the pledge and repatriate.
If he's legit then he wouldn't have hidden anything in the first place. If you cannot see that there is something wrong with his eligibility you are not going to notice whole football teams going in and out of your wifes bedroom.
Se if you can find another President pulling this stunt? Nixon? Anyone?
People have got to stop being dumb.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Goose steppers don't have time to read. AP released Occidental College enrollment for Obama, registered as a foreign student with Indonesian citizenship.
Why?
Because he has Indonesian citizenship, he has an Indonesian passport.
He never reaffirmed his American citizenship because that would make him a naturalized citizen having had Indonesian citizenship from his adoption by Lolo Soetoro.
So he has COLB. And umpteen aliases and numerous Social Security numbers. He is a fraud.
courag1 2 years ago
Even if he ever had an Indonesian passport, that doesn't negate his US citizenship. US law is quite specific in this. A parent can't strip a child of US citizenship; that child must, at the age of majority, denounce his own US citizenship and Obama never did that. There was never a need to reaffirm this. Just check out the law yourself. I've listed it in my previous videos.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
How much are you earning promoting Obama's crap, did you get hired from CraigsList?
When you are not born of both parents who are citizens you are not natural born. Natural born means you have no allegiance any where else to distract from being a good president.
Why does it not negate it? Because it pleases you? His panel of czars are just advising him on who to deny coverage to & to whom to give assisted suicide to. Maybe its you, your mother or father, Or more likely, you don't give a damn.
courag1 2 years ago
I might ask you the same questions, because it is clear you've failed to do any independent research. You are merely a parrot, repeating what your master's tell you. I simply invited you to check existing federal law. If that task is beyond you then I certainly can't help that!
I see that your anti-Obama idiocy isn't limited to being a birther. Now you are buying into Palin's shit. You truly will believe anything, as long as it satisfies your emotional need to be a victim.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
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Smallworldfilms: Are you working out of the DOJ or are you just so caught up in zerobamas con job that you have nothing else (no REAL proof) but insults and a phoney claim of "doing your research" . You are just as phoney as zerobama. I suggest that YOU do some REAL checking and some REAL research before you demean others who know what they are talking about. Better get off the wrong side of history and see the light before your hero is finally ex;osed and you might go down with him.
zanesbil 2 years ago
I presume you are setting yourself up as the real thing (not a phony) yet you offer no facts in defense of Taitz. Of course, that would be difficult for you to do, because you would reject any fact that does not agree with your opinion.
In point of fact, I'm a trained scientist and believe in the scientific method. I would welcome the opportunity to review your "facts", if they exist.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
Gee! I'm at lost for words. You're a real life, trained scientist? Like the fictional one that created the Frankenstein monster--or just supporting the one "acting" as president. There are so many "experts" and learned men without an ounce of common sense to wonder why a man would spend close to two million dollars to hide who he truly is. Would it make you wonder what he is trying to hide? Of course not, you"re a trained scientist, a smart man/woman.
zanesbil 2 years ago
No, you aren't at a loss for words. You've got lots of them; they don't count for much, but maybe if you throw a lot of them together people wont notice.
If you'll remember, I asked you for facts. You've offered nothing but more innuendo and supposition, which is why your word count in unimpressive.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
Oily tater titz?
MrReeseRideout 2 years ago
LMAO
he never showed a birth certificate, he showed a certificate of life birth.. xD what a dumbo
spongebodhi 2 years ago
What's the cool music?
Has Taitz made any appearances since the MSNBC meltdown?
Thanks!
Gwyka 2 years ago
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Its true that he has nothing to do with the founders. But since his book came out in 1758 it might be one of those things which give us a clue as to what the founders meant by "native born American."
You may have to consider the notion that Orly may be correct.
" Also you admit that you don't care about the law of the United States."
No you are lying. But case law cannot change constitutional law and obviously so. Only an idiot could believe otherwise.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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No no you are an idiot. If you think that a humble magistrate can invent his own constitutional amendment. If the founding fathers had meant that they would have said so. They would have given a green light.
And 1000 times won't make the spell. If the kid is coming back from Indonesia he has to go and repatriate. You don't have the date or document. You don't have the evidence for him being an American in the first place.
Vattel only gives us a clue as to what the founders meant.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Obama never had to repatriate because he never gave up his US citizenship. Check out the law itself and you'll see. Whatever you think of his place of birth, he had been recognized as a US citizen - with a US passport - when he traveled to Indonesia. US citizenship is remarkably hard to lose. Parents can't do it for kids. Only the child, when he's of age, can renounce his citizenship before a US official, but there is no record of that ever happening.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 2
You are thick as a brick. A child does not lose his US citizenship, under US law. Obama never lost his in Indonesia and thus, never had to repatriate. This is simple, basic law.
tgear77 2 years ago
Ding ding ding! That's why there are illegal immigrants scrambling to give birth in the States.
JonCBeck 2 years ago
So you reckon they are all trying to be President? You are mixing up citizen with "natural born citizen". This business about Vattel is relevant to figuring out what exactly the founding fathers MEANT at the time by the phrase "natural born citizen". He wrote his book in 1758. And it might well be that this is what they thought they were saying with the phrase.
US case law is irrelevant since judges have to get their own constitutional amendment if they wish to change the law.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
This is quite apart from the fact that Barry hasn't proven his Hawaiian birth. The registrar has made this claim, illegally by the way. She has to prove it. We cannot go on her sayso alone.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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But they have to repatriate when they come back. We have three confirmed citizenships for this fellow. None of them US. He was born British, attained Kenyan and then Indonesian citizenship. What we do not know is if he ever had, then subsequently BOTHERED TO REGAIN his American citizenship. Now it may be the case that repatriation was a simple formality. Certainly were he ever American in the first place you'd expect that, as you infer i your absolutist way. But did he? Find the date.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Take the eligibility to get into another country. You refuse point blank to tell them who you are. You wont show them your Visa. You refuse to wear your pants or underwear. And youve stuffed your shirt with all this gear and are telling everyone its hardcore drugs Well it doesnt matter that your Visa would check out, you could CONCEIVABLY put your underpants and your pants back on.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
you could CONCEIVABLY demonstrate that you were only joking around about the drugs. and so forth Well the fact is you are still not eligible to get through the gates.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
He would have to repatriate and take the oath its nothing his alleged real father did. He was adopted.
It wouldn't be announced at the US consulate if he were not a citizen in the first place. And no thats not credible. Since it would be a matter between them and Indonesia. The US cannot force them to show up at a consulate and renounce matters.
He would have to repatriate and take the oath.
But this is secondary to him refusing to prove eligibility. Unwillingness makes him ineligible.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Sure he can. Supposing he was a US citizen in the first place. He becomes an Indonesian citizen. He has to go through immigration again and take the oath if he is to become a US citizen.
Now it does not look like he did that. If here were a citizen. And in 1980 he appears to have gone to Pakistan on the basis of whatever his non-US citizenship was at the time.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
US Immigration and Naturalization Law states that a minor child can not form the intent to give up his US citizenship. Even if his mother and stepfather wanted him to be an Indonesian citizen, Obama still would have retained his US citizenship and would not have had to take an oath to regain it. You can't regain what you've never lost. He went to Pakistan with a US passport like any US citizen could at the time.
tgear77 2 years ago 2
No no. You are wrong. He HAD TO give up his American citizenship to become an Indonesian at that time.
I'm not saying that if he was an American and gave it up (which we don't know) he couldn't get it back as a formality. But he would still have to take the oath. And we would need to know when he did this and the documentation for this.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
There is no mystery about the motivation. Firstly he's ruining the country. Now he's trying to set up a dictatorship via the health legislation. He's spending you into oblivion. There are killings associated with him in Kenya and the US. And he refuses to prove he's eligible.
You don't KNOW he's eligibile. Since he refuses to prove it.. And any eligibility requirement requires not just the ability to prove eligibility, but also the WILLINGNESS to do so.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
No thats not right. If he became an Indonesian citizen he had to give up his American citizen. Since Indonesia at that time would not allow any dual citizenship.
So you don't know if he's a US citizen unless you have the date and documentation of his repatriation.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
No we aren't debunked. .What are we debunked by? He's only come up with fake documents. You cannot be debunked by a fake African documents. I'm sure Obama's got a thousand more where that came from.
The only evidence is the REAL documents. And Obama will not hand them over.
Hawaiian assurances aren't enough. We need to know if he's repatriated from Indonesia for starters.Berg reckons he's received a bunch of fake documents. Whats that evidence for? Not for his eligibility.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
"You cannot be debunked by a fake African documents(sic)" Well said. It applies directly to Taitz faked Kenyan birth certiicate.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 5
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Come off it. Its hardly her faked Kenyan birth certificate. Clearly this was a fakeup by the Obama camp. Like every certificate we've seen so far. This stream of fake certificates is evidence against the Obama camp because they are the ones supplying them.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
It's her faked Kenyan birth certificate. She bought it fair and square from the guy who tried to sell it on eBay. Oh, I forgot. She's just a victim of the evil government, and if she didn't bother to validate it's authenticity before she opened her mouth - well that must have been because of government mind control.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 3
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SWF: False information! The Kenyan BC has not been proven fake, nor has it been authenicated. It probably is the real thing--the way you fellows are riding is so hard.
zanesbil 2 years ago
Yes, the Kenyan BC was proven fake. No, it hasn't been authenticated. No, no one is riding it hard...this is old news and you are just late getting on the bandwagon.
Even her own client has denounced her as unprofessional!
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
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I suppose you would know, being a trained scientist. So Lucas Smith, the man who produced the Kenyan BC and a sworn statement to its being the real thing has put himself in jeopardy of jail-time if it's proven phoney. Now, why would he do such a thing? He's no dummy. Please--your scientific view. And for your edification, I've been on board long before the "bandwagon" passed your way. Sorry...
zanesbil 2 years ago
Good question, yet we see people doing such things every day. For instance, when Mr. Smith was deposed in Taitz' case against Obama, he stated several times that Taitz had coached him to lie. His testimony was damning! Either he's lying about her, or she's the liar. Even if Taitz was telling the truth she failed to do due diligence in verifying her evidence. Cpt. Barnett - her client - also castigated Taitz. With so many liars, what can be believed?
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
I meant, Cpt. Rhodes not Cpt. Barnett.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
You should really read Smith's deposition (10/12/09)! It's very illuminating. If Smith, Taitz' "star witness" and the cornerstone of the case is telling the truth, then Smith is a convicted criminal, Taitz was having an extramarital affair with her aid who himself is a disbarred attorney, and that Taitz refused to do any research or investigation to prove the case. Smith was amazed that Taitz believed Obama had to prove his innocence in a US court of law! I'm amazed too!!
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
Why do birthers require a greater level of proof of Obama's status as a natural born citizen then they do of their own evidence? I know, I know! Because if they required the same level of integrity of their own sources they'd have nothing to talk about.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
The Constitutional requirement that only a natural born citizen, that is a person born on USA soil to two USA citizen parents, could serve as POTUS, has been set by precedent, in the history of all US Presidents, being born on USA soil to two USA citizen parents. Not all parents were born in the USA, as some were naturalized before the birth. One VP succeeded to POTUS, on assassination, but kept secret he was not NBC. We know about Obama, and we are onto him.
borderraven 2 years ago
While some things may be done traditionally, they don't supersede the rule of law, or interpretation of the law by courts. The law, as interpreted by judges since the late part of the 19th century holds that one can be a natural born citizen even if neither parent is a citizen. The Constitution does not define "natural born citizen" nor does it require 2 US citizen parents.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
SmallWorldFilms, the law does define "dual-natioals" and "dual citizenship"
Example:
32CFR147 --granting security clearance
32CFR147.5(c) Conditions that could mitigate security concerns include: (1) Dual citizenship
is based solely on parents citizenship or birth in a foreign country;
borderraven 2 years ago
Thank you! I appreciate people who provide references so that I can read and learn.
However, the definition of dual-citizenship does not relate to or define natural born citizen.
A person could not be president if he had dual citizenship, but Obama lost that status at the age of 21.
Courts hold that natural born citizenship is based on the concept of jus soli ("law of ground") or citizenship based on where the individual was born.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
SWF, Citizenship only requires birth of blood or on soil. If NBC only required birth on soil, then a few million anchor babies would qualify for POTUS. At best,you have flimsy evidence of a Hawaiian birth, Hawaiian residence, yes, but not a birth. The requirement, of both blood and soil for NBC, has long been established and followed, until, BHO. Obama admits his father was British. He is dual citizen. What reference have you to show at age 21 BHO II, changed to a naturalized citizen or NBC?
borderraven 2 years ago
Actually I did a series of 3 videos covering this topic, with references. Please feel free to check them out.
British law at the time required that persons who had citizenship as the result of having a Kenyan parent had, at the age of 21, to renounce any other citizenship or lose their British citizenship. Since he didn't renounce his US citizenship, he lost his British citizenship.
While both blood and soil are criteria for NBC, they are not required to be present in the same person.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
I disagree with your assessment of the validity of the Hawaiian birth certificate. The State has certified publicly that he is a US citizen, which is what is required by law.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 2
SmallWorldFilms, you are free, for now, to trust the government. It is not that I don't trust the State of Hawaii government, but I simply can't. We dont destroy vital records, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said. Thats our whole job, to maintain and retain vital records. Google M1139416728.GIF
borderraven 2 years ago
I am free, for as long as I wish and for as much or as little as I wish, to trust the government, but when you are talking about the law - as we are - the only recourse is to go about changing the law if you don't like it.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 3
"Barack Obama presented the COLB, which was verified by the State of Hawaii. "
No you are lying. The State of Hawaii have verified that they have his birth certificate. They have NOT verified any rubbish that Barry has left lying around the net.
And this latest fraud is just another bad mark against the Soetoro camp.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
You see the anti-vigilance case is just based on relentless lying.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
No you are lying. He hasn't presented his birth certificate. Neither you or anyone out of Hawaii has seen it. And while the Hawaiians say they have his birth certificate they aren't going to show it to anyone. They have not endorsed any of the certificates that have been on the internet. Nor would they be likely to endorse such fakery.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Thank You, but they will still believe otherwise..
Pharcyderpart2 2 years ago
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Of course they will still believe otherwise. Since the fellow is just talking shit. And since Barry will not show his birth certificate.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Well he ought to prove that he was born on US soil then. Because a 100 fake documents won't add up to a real one.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
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The second condition to be a natural born citizen (to be President) is explained in the following youtube videos. It is an INDISPENSABLE condition to be a President. 2 conditions: 1) must be born in the USA; 2) BOTH parents must be American citizens.
Do a search on youtube to find these videos:
--"Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?"
--"Part 1 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
--"Part 2 - Orly Taitz Presents Case Against Obama"
SAD BUT TRUE, OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN LATER ON!
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
What the video you're posting on, Mr. Brilliant. I can show you my sources.
Constitution.
U.S. Case Law
A lot more merit than those videos you're referring people to. This is spam.
JonCBeck 2 years ago
I can show you my series of videos too, but mine are based on the Constitution, federal law, and legal determinations by actual judges. I did my own actual research before making the videos.
I do admire your devotion to your cause, just not the amount of actual effort you've put into verifying what you say.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
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Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE, TO BE A PRESIDENT OF THE USA, YOU MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITH THE FOLLOWING 2 CONDITIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA THAT MUST BE MET:
1) Obama must prove that he was born in the USA.
2) BOTH parents must be American Citizens.
Obama's father was never an American citizen!
Conclusion: SHOCKING SAD NEWS! OBAMA WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
SPREAD THE SAD NEWS!
michaelhtvr 2 years ago
There is nothing in the Constitution about having two citizens for parents in order to be eligible for the Presidency. Did you watch the video? Or is this just spam?
JonCBeck 2 years ago
Interesting that you said there are two conditions of citizenship stated in the Constitution. Can you show me? Because every copy I've ever seen does not define natural born citizen. You must have one of those copies being printed by the Orly Taitz Publishing Co., the same folks who brought you the Canadian Birth Certificate forgery and the Kenyan Birth Certificate forgery.
Frankly, I prefer reality and the real Constitution.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago 3
Why dont somebody just pay for her planeticket so she can go and see the bloody certificate herself? If that dont help, they should just put her in a mental hospital.
durrutti 2 years ago
Wont do, She'll just say it was fabricated.. Now shes getting all the delusional idiots following her now..
Pharcyderpart2 2 years ago
Well if you are going to fabricate documents in the first place and not show any real ones, of course any document you do show is eventually going to be taken for yet another fake.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
Well there is a very easy answer to that isn't there. Obama refuses point blank to show anyone his certificate.
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago 2
Just look at the mindset of dennymclain2008. The conspiracist mind is willing to create all sorts of intricate plots to explain away their own failure to authenticate documents. Taitz hasn't shown much interest in ethics in the past. I fully expect she'd explain away evidence that doesn't support her agenda.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
She has a market for her crazy ideas about America. White supremest, racist and conspiracy kooks. Even though this is a very,very small percentage of Americans it is still enough to fill up a football stadium.That means somewhere between 50,000 - 70,000 ppl. That may sound like a lot but keep in mind that there are around 300million Americans. This movement is proof that the deep south has taken over the republican party and that is bad news for the G.O.P. nationwide. Obama is sure to win again!
otownsteelers 2 years ago
Stupid Israeli Racist Bitch!
ModernPharaoh77 2 years ago
Call Orly Taitz and let her know what you think: (949) 683-5411
agent9752 2 years ago
Citizen/Natural Born Citizen are two completely different things. Look it up.
rotunda57 2 years ago
did you guys see the document she produced saturday night? wnd picked it up... it looks authentic. we need to have it authenticated. if it is a hoax... it does not discredit birthers, the only way to do that is for obama to release his real vault copy.
DennyMclain2008 2 years ago
It doesn't discredit Taitz if she files a blatant forgery with a court? Must be nice to not have to worry about being truthful or honest I suppose.
Protip: that picture of the doc claims that it's from the "Republic of Kenya." Problem with that is the doc is dated over half a year before the Republic of Kenya was formed.
qwertyman129 2 years ago 3
i said it doesnt discredit birthers you retard. can you not fkn read? just because obama's nutjobs plant a hoax does not let him off the hook. why doesnt he release his records? because he is the Joker!!!!!!!!!
DennyMclain2008 2 years ago
Taitz is the "Queen of the birthers." She's put forth this allegation that this picture of a doc represents Obama's true birth certificate. There are very basic problems with it that make it a pretty obvious forgery. Any court submission is done under oath; if she's fallen for such an obvious hoax, then that's more evidence she has no credibility (not that she did anyway, her pleadings are packed with falsehoods). If your leader has no credibility, the movement doesn't either.
qwertyman129 2 years ago
actually she submitted it for 'authentification"... and you want to crucify her?
she WOULDNT HAVE TO IF THE JOKER WOULD RELEASE HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
DennyMclain2008 2 years ago
She submitted a picture of a document; she doesn't know where it actually came from (she presumes Kenya), and again, there are parts of this document that make it a blatant forgery (signed by a laundry detergent brand; "Republic of Kenya" months before its founding, Mombasa was part of Zanzibar).
Yes, for taking a blatant forgery like that and wasting the court's time on it she should be sanctioned and disbarred, along with all the other items in the lengthy bar ethics complaint against her.
qwertyman129 2 years ago
She should have "authenticated" it before running to the press. It would have been the ethical thing to do.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
How does it NOT discredit birthers if they offer up lies and forgeries? How does it not discredit Taitz if she offers up a forgery to an officer of the court, as an officer of the court?
Or am I really supposed to believe that Taitz is so gullible that, as you say, Obama's folks gave her a hoax to discredit her? Really? How can you say that with a straight face? Even if this were true, she'd still be wrong for not checking the veracity of the "document" before opening her mouth about it.
SmallWorldFilms 2 years ago
While Orly Taitz was born in Russia, she emigrated to Israel and has dual US/Israeli citizenship. The California State Bar website lists her undergrad degree as Hebrew University, Jerusalem. It is curious she downplays her Israeli side and always says, "I was born in the Soviet Union". It is disloyal to the country that took her in and educated her. Could it be she is well aware of the antipathy so many on the right have toward Jews?
agent9752 2 years ago
Good information!
JonCBeck 2 years ago