@Breakerchase what's much more surprising is that it can apparently reliably stop KE projectiles which travel at speeds close to 1800 m/s due to its short reaction time
this always used to be the biggest challenge for any hardkill system and all hardkill systems currently fielded or in development have slower reaction times
500 microseconds or 0.0005 seconds.. a KE penetrator only manages to travel 90 centimeters within that timespan (at muzzle velocity)
This system uses an "Opto-electronically directable energetic charge with low volume expansion". I.e. it is a directed-energy weapon, capable of destroying RPGs, EFPs or KE-penetrators. No grenade, no shaped charge.
You're right it doesn't tell much abouth AMAP-ADS working mechanism, except that it doesn't use any grenade launchers (or multi-EFPs). But other videos about AMAP-ADS (i.e. presentations etc) show that AMAP-ADS consists of serveral "boxes" arranged between passive wake-up sensors. When some RPG gets in the scanning area, one of the "boxes" seems to explode (it releases the described "directable energetic charge with low volume expansion") and the RPG is detonated.
"Every last source avaiable confirms that AMAP-ADS uses a directed energy beam."
The actual statements are rather unclear. "direfcted energy" is true, but there are many forms of this.
My speculation is about a set of explosive charges that are timed in order to create a shockwave that is most strong in one direction (comparable to AESA radar antenna emissions). That would not require any moving parts, and today's computers are fast enough to do the calculation in time.
LOL do you really think we care what you believe? seriouls, nobody gives a shit about youtuber's mind. i prefer bevlieve in what the owner says (manufacturer of Rheinmetall).
@pwnz0rz0r no it 560 microseconds the arena is 500 microseconds response time then again what soft kill system do the Germans have that's right non and your hard kill still a prototype yet.
The wave from what? RPGs don´t have a big blast wave. Hell,most anti-tank rockets/missiles. don´t have one. Toactually blow away a Hummer or similar with a close-proximity explosion, you´ll need at least a 100 pound bomb.
This here is not single use, either. Adn it also covers 360x90 and it is an active system, unlike ARENA, which is a passive system, IE it only confuses targetting arrays/seeker heads. ARENA can´t do jack shit against unguided ordnance, unlike AMAP-ADS.
The russian counterpart would be Drozhd, which is limited in both angle of attack and ammo. And bulk.
Just like a Kinetic Energy Penetrator is a fucking bullet
Its called selling the product
And go educate yourself:
"The Arena active protection system was first tested at the Kubinka proving grounds in early 1995, successfully defending a Russian tank against an anti-tank guided missile and a kinetic energy penetrator."
Check out the article by James Warford in the Armor magazine (Fort Knox, KY: US Army Armor Center)
1) it destroys all warheads and missiles of all sorts (including APFSDS rounds)
2)APS (Active Protection System), protects a tank or other armoured fighting vehicle from incoming fire before it hits the vehicle's armour. There are two general categories: soft kill systems, which use jamming or decoys to confuse a missile's guidance system, and hard kill systems, which attempt to detect and destroy incoming projectiles. In 2008, Time Magazine names the APS #8 in Time's Top 50 Inventions of 2008.
Partially. Most APFSDS round will likely break apart when hit by it. That leaves lightly armored vehicles with just having a few hunks of metal hitting them at supersonic speed.
"2.Does it use laser to destroy incoming projectiles?"
No idea. The only thing I found was that it uses a direct-energy-system.
Trophy does not work any better. And Iron Fist hasn't even been produced yet. Do you think that simply because these are Western, they work better than their Russian counterparts? How simple-minded of you. The Soviets and Russians have been experimenting with this technology since the 70's. Whenever Drozd was applied in the Afghan war, it was used with outstanding results. Then they came up with Drozd 2, and now Arena. It's perhaps the best in the world, and will only continue to be upgraded.
To "crusaderyn." As IDFArmor stated, directed energy is expensive. Other alternatives are available, and I'm sure they will start appearing as AMAP progresses. Like I've mentioned before, Trophy, and Arena are already operational and in use. AMAP's still experimental.
To "crusaderyn." 'Right, the Drozd was indeed the first, and the AMAP wasn't developed in the 70's as the Drozd was. It has provided decades of protection from Russian armor. As well, the new Arena costs less than the AMAP. I'm excited to see the price. See, when you increase the price of a vulnerable defense that much, you lose an economic war in individual combat. As in, their offensives are easier to produce.
You morons. This is nothing like arena och throphy, this is far superior !! It does not use any moving parts or fragmentation warhead. This is the market leader leaving all the other junk in the dust. Britain, Sweden, France, Finland, Italy all support this system.
Well, the co-manufacturer Rheinmetall claims it uses a "beam of concentrated energy" to create a blast which destroys the incoming missile or projectile. The system uses no explosives nor projectiles and needs only electricity.
All technical details are secret. They also claim that the system was successly tested on a swedish Hägglung IFV on 17.April this year.
It destroyed two simultaneous incoming RPG-7's fired from 50 meters distance.
Trophy appeared only in 2006, later than arena, developed in the 80-s, but is far more sophisticated than arena. Anyway AMAP is much better than both theese ads.
@ORKSIZDABEST Sorry. Development of Russian hard kill systems First came Drozd then Thrush AKA Drozd-2. Then Arena. Thrush was close too Trophy though that a Israel system. Trophy was first put in active duty 2010 late year and worked early 2011. As fare as AMAP-ADS lol it still testing. 1st it's unlike too be anywhere as good as Arena since the Russian have so much real experience with hard kill systems. 2 by the time AMAP is on a tank the Russians have a new one.
@starknight97 If arena is that good, why soldiers must keep away from it 30-50 meters at least? Plus, it only gives protection of front and sides, the back and roof top are exposed (hello, Javelin!). Trophy and AMAP give 360 degrees protection and have only 5% chance of harming fiendly infantry.
@ORKSIZDABEST Your thinking Drozd system. Arena 300 degs all around up to top charges but aft that bad only week point. Then it just jams a simple javelin with sorta 1 a soft kill stacked with it hard kill system. Arena has many more charges then AMAP 3 at most over lapping wile Arena to has 3 max 1 facing it can just turn it turret to use all 23 to 26 charges even say due north wile the AMAP can't once your 3 charges are gone that it. Then you pointed out a x factor the Germans didn't see thxs
@ORKSIZDABEST Nope now you can get full 360 and top attack on arena e or export model which mean their home model can with faster reaction times. i send you a link in pm.
@ORKSIZDABEST I did link you in pm got answer too. I seen your russian site 1 fatal flaw no date it for the bmp3 smaller unit so the 23 charge no top charges. then it not dated so it the older version. the E is the export model and any improvements on a E will surely be on there's. I didn't even know they had 360 till we started detail debates here. though the top down or top charges were made for the javelin a wile ago even the sorta 1 jams them.
@ORKSIZDABEST So tale of the tape.Both are now 360, top attack, tie thier. Russians are turret based so they can use them all for defense from a single direction. 1 for Russia, reaction time is 0.05 seconds arena .056 seconds AMAP-ADS Russia again wins. Russian have fast change charges for fast rearm, Germans don't/ Russian again. AMAP-ADS has a target high speed engagement of 2000mps Russian 900mps.German win. more energy in German AMAP-ADS German win. Off switch in Russian system. Russian win
@starknight97 4 russian to 2 germans it was a tie till i seen data on the new e area. then to boot vs the leo2a7 it has the sorta 1 system what the leo have?
@starknight97 Not you wrong. Russian and German systems are very different including a principle of action. Russian have developed a lot of active protection system in the late 60's and 70's but the Soviet army did not agree with any of them.
Just do many Russian believe that such systems are not promising and may have only limited use in battle. All these things are dangerous for infantry surrounding the tank.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 will yes Russia on their third system now. yet doz system #2 was allot like the new first gen German system. agreed with or not allot were used in old t62 to update their protection and yes killed troops hiding by or close to the tanks. Only 1 as bad as the Russia 1st gen is the u.s. quick kill system. the one that least harmful for troop is the Israeli system.
@starknight97 No you did not understand we are not talking about "Drozd". USSR created in the late 60's over 40 APS. But the Soviet army reacted to these developments with indifference. I dont know what you mean "old t62 to update their protection and yes killed troops hiding by or close to the tanks". The system "Drozd" was of limited use on tanks T-55 and T-62 in Afghanistan.
@starknight97 System SLID-Quick Kill is still under development and the Israeli Trophy is very dangerous for the infantry, they will kill all within 30% relative to the shot. Russian say that the system of active protection they just do not need as such all.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yes quick kill is a prototype just like the AMAP-ADS and you can see in tests how bad it is. if your in 30% deg angle of the shot the incoming projectile would kill you lol.Sorry i was thinking iron fist is 0 damage too infantry. though 1 plus why trophy won over AMAP-ADS is it's been know too stop and redirect penetration rods something AMAP-ADS has no chance of doing. The only case were if in that 30 deg attack plan where a troop would die yet the attacking wouldn't kill him
@starknight97 I was talking about the trophy. Development of Iron Feast is completely closed. What do you mean you thought "is 0 damage too infantry"?! Any active protection system will be very dangerous for infantry. This is their application is very limited. Trophy and AMAP-ADS have different operating principle. For this reason the Russian army does not use the system even though they have a whole bunch of projects.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yeah too bad iron fist had a soft kill system too. iron fist was a none shrapnel explosive projectile that killed the incoming system on interception. in short you had too be close to it to get hurt by concussion the same with your system. kinda but yours and iron fist are much less so a troop would have too be close and that close to even a ke round would kill them. they have it on allot new systems now t90k models bmp3 new ones just they have the hard system killer too is all
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yeah seen studies on iron fist it worked just trophy out did it once it started knock ke rounds off course. or you mean the system the russian have the active kill systems on. like all t90ms have it. though they just started building them.
@starknight97 For the Russian army will be T-90MA, T-90MS will be for export. In Russia there is the development of active protection systems but no one thinks this is a perspective, for the tanks will mine the so-called "smart armor" is better than any APS.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 it might a translation or western just got the letter wrong again but even rt calls them MS. though layers is best all 4 active system will be better then any 1. though i agree ERA 6th gen is the best of them.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i don't think so as Russian got rid of heavy's after ww2 with the IS10 or t10 the last one. Though the Armada might be a heavy tank in the 60ton range. it'll not likely need armor for it turret as the crew like t95 will all be in the hull making it armor with 6th gen block unbeatable for a sort time even vs a 140mm. Blazer era were gen on ti67 then Kontakt EDZ gen 2 then Kontakt-5 gen 3, Kaktus gen4 and finally Relikt gen 5 is on the t90m. so your right no 6th but it's not 3rd.
@starknight97 First name of project is "armata" not "armada". Second it's not heavy tank it's MBT, heavy tanks died all around the world in 1950-60s years. Third it will be a great weight, according to some information, weight not less than 85-90 tons. This is to protect the circular and spacious layout. All Soviet tanks from the T-34 tanks were a dense layout. Tank under the name "T-95" does not exist, there are tanks - object 195, object 478, object 279, object 490, etc.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 in all translations and RT it's called armada also the voice of Russia, Russian new paper online calls it Armada. MBT is main battle tank in sort if you has a 2 ton tank and it was your main tank IT be your country MBT. yet tank have a weight wile the ww2 classification don't fit any more the tanks still have a weight though. MBT tank many ww2 aspects and role them into 1 when i say medium or heavy it merely means their weight. if Object 195 had been produced it been the t95
@starknight97 It's called armata not armada. I don `t know where you get that name is probably the journalists (among many of them are fools) were wrong.
Main battle tank, called the tank which combines the properties of medium and heavy tanks. The first main battle tank was the Soviet T-64.
Program for an object 195 is closed and opened the program "armata" to create a unified undercarriage. Object 195 can be any T - T-92, T-97, etc.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i getting from a yes a journalists in Russia from a Russian gen. though yes it could be mixed up even change the name. Anyway just prove it more info is on it from armada not armata.so stop saying your right prove it pal? yes and i say modern tank this gen coming out like type 10 in jap and k2 has light properties too. yet when i say weight i mean again for the 2cd time frenchie the weight of the tank so people have idea of it size. though t95 was dropped even by Russian gens
@starknight97 journalists are stupid or you understand something wrong, it's armata not armada.
Type-10 tanks and XK-2 is the tanks made by countries whom which have no thier own tank-building and borrowed a lot of foreign technology from Leopard 2, Leclerc and Abrams. This is not modern tanks, Japanese and Koreans were able to do something that madethe rest of the world back in the '80s. Type-10 and XK-2 is an ordinary third-generation tanks with western design.
The Soviet "contact 1", Polish "erawa" and "erawa-2," the Israeli blazer and super blazer is a very primitive first-generation ERA, contact-5 and kaktus thе second generation ERA , "relict" is the third generation of the ERA.
Tank "T-90M" does not exist, there is a T-90MS and T-90MA (to be in the future).
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 ok now your just lost the t90m was before this final production 1. it was the t90 modernization. it was not factory line but the prototype of t90a into what you call the t90ma. So now i know your talking BS. i spelled out he ERA for you true blazer was not Russian made but first Russian used and produced for ti67 improved t55. wheres Kaktus at, Kontakt and Kontakt-5 are not the same gen at wheres then russa had lab tests before blazer even in 1949 by Bogdan Voitsekhovsky
@starknight97 Has never been the T-90M, there are two options the first one on the export of a T-90MS and one for the Russian army is a T-90MA. Prior to this, exports were the T-90S and in the Russian Army T-90A.
Blazer was purchased by Jews in Germany, is an old and very primitive ERA, it has long since been removed from service.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 dork yes their was and is it's the no production t90a modernization or prototype. their only a few becuase it's the project of updating them before the production model. yes and it first gen ERA what this got do with anything frenchie?
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 sorry miss took you as ORKSIZDABEST. once again the prototypes where the m till this new production model cam out. they both have prior tanks the k1 and type 90. then japan has tank all the way back too ww2 junk but still has it own tanks. Back in the 80's huh the k2 flattens it self too hid and ambush not too say what else it does the the type 10 uses electric motors and go as fast backwards as forward has the best networking systems and a armor a generation ahead of all else.
@starknight97 What can I say. The Japanese have a copy of M-47 and M-60 (if I remember correctly) but it is difficult to name and good tanks. Then they created a copy of Leopard 2 A 4 (type-90) and later modified it (type 10).
K-1 established by the American firm General Dynamics for the South Korea-based Abrams. Tank XK-2 is a modification of the K-1 tank. This tank is protected much weaker than modern Western tanks.
Then what the leo a copy of that right the MBT-70 lol. Will that unknown yet as it has a unknown composite and uses bot the ERA and NERA. the K@ has the most powerful western gun so first shot a kill anyway even vs the m1a2sep. Her suspension much better and uses KSTAM ammo giving the best range 8km.
@starknight97 Type 61 - to a large extent, this is an M-47, Type 74 - many taken from M-60. Do you think these tanks are self-development ?
Leo 2 was created by Leo tank 1, the American Army and the German had different requirements. Final Leo 2 was very similar to the prototype M-1 from the Chrysler. Firepower is dependent not only on the gun and the pressure in the barrel but also on the projectile, no country in the world does not have a serial analog M-829A3.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yes taken the tech of the time but they just keep going back Type 5 Chi-Ri. the m47 were too big for the japs. Dr. Manfred was under contract for Rafael when he made ERA blazer. then he not German. yes and the round NATO so any other 120mm can fire our great rounds in their much better guns. both the m1 and leo 2 are based on the MBT-70 which is based on the leo 1 which is based on the t44,t55.
@starknight97 Tanks Type 61 and Type 74 is largely copied from the american tanks.
Basically, I've heard about the projectile for 2A82 Russian gun with a coefficient of elongation of 1 to 68 (1 to 40 for M829A3) that exceeds the M829A3 and M829E4. But this shell with a uranium segmented core is an experimental.
Manfred Held working for a German firm IBD disenroth if I'm not mistaken.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 a DU core and they all have it it had a uranium core the u.s. would be attack by the u.n. experimental don't count till it on the field like xm1111 lol. Man your lost Dm53 & 63 are not the same the 63 is a smaller charge on purpose. i have the test for the A3 as i worked subcontract in the field. when he made the Blazer ERA he was working for Rafael at the time subcontract most likely.
@starknight97 xm1111 is closed. Russia have experimetal new "Sokol-1" tank rocket - hypersonic, fully automatic guidance and multispectral seeker, the ability to overcome the APS, NERA, ERA, SLERA etc armor types. Range of 24 km, with the possibility of targeting any other means. Russian uranium munitions were in the late '70s they were not hard to do, but they had a length limit for automatic charging. Shell of which I spoke has a segmented core like a M829E4.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 Reflex-m 1 of a few out their yes flaws but sounds better then Lahat yet lahat better on paper. true slow but heavy warhead yes the rpg28/29 are older now but kill any tank they hit. the lahat has the same size warhead and true on the 45 deg but that still top armor though easy kill if it hits the javelin only 60 deg down. yes they are all slow for now. As far as the M829E4 they making it to bet the new ERA but with the L44 gun on the m1 i dough they get it much better then a3.
@starknight97 I think Hellfire-2, JAGM, Meteor, Maveric, PARS is much better than all of these X-ROD, LOSAT, XM-1111, Reflex-m, Lahat etc. None of the modern tank can not stand getting into the roof of a heavy aircraft missiles.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 because most are fat missiles they have too have a 120mm or less diameter. in the Russian case 125mm. xm-1111 would be better then allot of though with a 12km range.
@starknight97 Agree but they have experimental Sokol-1 missile 24 km range and hypersonic top-attack. But this is only the project as xm-1111 is difficult to say to the missile entered service or not.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 heard all kinds of wild things about the Sokol-1 from a FF version with 5km to a semi guided 12km range and a top attack 24km range speed very too make sense though since Russian missile tech so advanced. Will see when they come out as the xm-1111 is on delay for the m1a3. Fast be good but the have too be real fast too make a good defense to even think of betting active defense systems.
@starknight97 This missile is a project now like xm943 staff round. Very difficult to say whether it will be put into service or not. The high speed is needed to circumvent the NERA / ERA / APS types of protection. There's some unusual ammunition.
Americans need to complete the program CATTB in the middle of the 90s it was a stupid decision to close it.
@starknight97 And what do you know about the modification of the M-1A3 ? It's just a modification of the M-1A2 or completely new tank as CATTB. Have you seen the video on YouTube where the train is carrying something similar to CATTB ?
The sides on the other Russian and Western European countries too, have lost much of their very interesting projects.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 besides the few picks just the cross over areas like lighter armor they wanted. Then a long range weapon systems, trophy hard kill system, Even the Cattb was totally new it was still on and had the m1 lower half. the 40ton FCS was the closest to a totally new tank. then the main fact that the cattb was just a test bed platform for trying new tech mean they are dumb if they don't use it more so since it the same platform but i don't think it'll get the 140mm or other goodies.
@starknight97 In my opinion, FCS is a stupid program. While I like the future APC wich Americans planned to build on the FCS. Stryker certainly needs to be replaced. But created tank in the mass 20-30 tons with the same level armor protection as a tank weighing 65 tons is not possible, no new technology here will not help.
@starknight97 CATTB in this respect is much better and more thoughtful design that gives a real advantage on the battlefield + out of this thing can be a lot of things to create (repair and recovery vehicle, a heavy IFV, heavy medevac, etc.)
@starknight97 Israeli M-322 and DM-63 German is much worse than the M-829A3. L55 gun and ammunition from Germans could not destroy the M-1 in the forehead, but only KSTAM ammo from this thing can be prevented. The transmission can be changed in any tank. In the experimental electricity transmission have to many countries.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i'm talking guns not ammo our ammo is what keep us going though take our round out of a L55 gun and it'll do much better yet. DM53 fired from L55 have penetration level 760mm RH at 2000m. M829A3 fired from L44 have penetration level 765mm RH at 2000m. then the 63 is a weaker charge anyway. then the lahat missile make up for the merks rounds easy. yeah but they don't have them.
@starknight97 M829A3 have a 930mm RH at 2000. DM53 and 63 it is almost the same thing, 63 is 53 with some modifications. Yes L55 has a higher pressure in the bore than L44 and any projectiles fired from L55 going to penetrate more.
Last modified M-1 with depleted uranium mesh of the third generation has the durability of the KE round, more than 850 mm in the forehead. That is, it can not penetrate any French, German, Israeli, British, Italian, South Africa, China. Russia, etc. serial ammunition. In this case the M-1 itself can punch in the head all the other tanks due to M829A3.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 no the new t90ms and new ERA can defeat the M829A3 round and it barrel is a new Longer caliber higher pressure cannon adding too all current rounds. Pen in RH mm not yet out. then the new at-11 missile(9M119M Refleks) is of the same design as the rpg 28 with 4.5 kg warhead the same as the rpg 28. so it go right though it. then yes please explain on the Lahat lol i can't wait for this cause this kill the m1 even easier then the 9M119M Refleks will.
@starknight97 Russians say to me "reflex-m sucks". It's outdated rocket. It is a subsonic, long flies, needs pointing laser and useless in a meeting engagement, besides its range and penetrate insufficient in modern tanks.
Lahat ? Ok. It also needs to be backlit laser-like reflex. It is true only in the terminal phase. She often breaks down guidance, it is subsonic, and its real not penetrate 800 mm and about half that figure. In addition, it is not quite top-attack, it hits at an angle of 45 degrees and can be hit in the most powerful part of the tower where this thing can not penetrate the armor.
@starknight97 It senseless to recall an experimental design. Soviet Union has created a lot of active protection systems, and several variants of ERA (for tank object 432) in the 60's but none of them did not go into mass production.
Development of the first ERA in the Soviet Union began in 1948. Contact-1 is the first generation. Cactus and contact-5 is not the same thing but this is a one generation, this is the second-generation ERA. "Relict"on T-90MS is the third generation.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i only doped ones that were put on at least several tanks all though systems were or are. nope blazer was first built from the research of Bogdan Voitsekhovsky. then on top of this were put on several tank in Russian war in the middle east. lol you don't get gens forget it.
@starknight97 I do not understand you. Blazer is old and primitive ERA is hard to keep even the cumulative ammunition. Blazer was purchased by jews in Germany. At the heart of armor blazer is a German design.
You probably mean the tests in the USSR in the 80s captured Israeli tank M-48 with blazer armor and M-111 shells. Yes I know about it.
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 no at the heart of it is Bogdan Voitsekhovsky design in 1949 in the USSR. RAFAEL Advanced Defense Systems designed and developed the Blazer. Around 1969, a Norwegian working for Rafael by the name of Dr. Manfred Held discovered the drive-plate explosive sandwich design which later became explosive reactive armour.
@starknight97 And, how you probably noticed, shell was hit from behind, it's like try hitting a runner in his back or in his chest and you know which hit will more likley knock em down.
@starknight97 Nice try, but your numbers are false, it taces autoloader 5-11 seconds, depending on shell position in carrousel, for what a human can do in 4 so re-calculate your math. Yet, interval between 2 shots will be longer, cause you need to check if shell is loaded correctly, aim at the target and so on.
@ORKSIZDABEST The Xfactor is this. AMAP is do good for it own use. as it shot at the heavy very fast Russian penetratetor too with little effect. wasting charges on them with the fast reload time of the t90 auto loader going though 3 charges will be seconds at almost 13 rpm. The Russian command can shut his off so it not wasted on the western penetratetors
@starknight97 Actualy, autoloader is a bit slower than human loader, but it still takes gunner 10-15 seconds to lock on target . Comparing AMAP and trophy, well first one is simply faster.
@ORKSIZDABEST no maul load is allot slower 6rpm vs up 12rpm on smaller rounds like the 100mm and the 125mm 8 to 10 rpm with the t90 having 0 jams and can fire at that same rate for it entire load wile a human loader can be injured and slows over time. record load time is 8 rpm with a human loader with a 120mm not the 105mm with was 10rpm. faster in what way reaction time? the Russian is the fast reaction time.
@starknight97 But choosing a weapon system US army takes in count not only it's effectivness, but some other "X-factors" as well. U must remember the story with F-22 prototypes. Also, watch?v=PEXCMBBWIY0&feature=channel_video_title
@ORKSIZDABEST Yes one crashed to incorrect aerodynamic modeling. This happens in prototypes. This allso prove my point that x-factors will make first gen under preform a 3rd gen model. Over all the f22 a better craft too have up against the pak fa then the yf23 would have been.
@starknight97 Where did you get this BS, Trophy can't do a god damn sing about KE, though Armored Fist is credited to be capable of it. Some impartial sourses say it's only effective against old RPGs.
@ORKSIZDABEST the metal pelts(real mass) when enough hit the KE penetrateor it wobbles like a baldly though (American)foot ball. If this happens the ke rounds loses all of it power and can even deflect off small armor plating if the round not flying right. This now being researched too see if this effect can be enhanced. This was 1 of the main reasons the u.s. picked over all others systems even their own.
@starknight97 Lol, it doesn't even have enought energy to stop RPG grenade. It doesn't shoot down anything , it just makes any HEAT warhead go off prematuraley. watch?v=N1LOmm85cZ0&feature=related he RPG wasn't stopped or shot down. And the reason we adopted it is jewish lobby in congres.
@ORKSIZDABEST yes it worked great. then is a case were 1 it went clean though the He round you can see this and 2 if the he can for the super heated jet it can pen even light armor. Now in this case only 1 or a few pellets hit the he rocket but they are soft and will go though it. Test show it far better then AMAP which is a prototype non production and no chance of stopping ke.
@starknight97 watch?v=YGF7x3TVNCQ&feature=fvwrel right here at 1:32 you can see how it doesn't stop the shell from penetrating and obstakle. Unlike the tests ran for Iron curtain, jews never risked firing directly into their tank.They won't bullshit even a marine drill sergeant.
@ORKSIZDABEST yes you missed it all it was on a angle and never gotten though a m60 armor even. a rod has too hit straight. then it cardboard even my bb gun could get though it. AMAP system couldn't even have made the rod go off center. Then i have seen direct fire after the test yes. they have their reason for not killing even old e.q.
@starknight97 Yes, it is an allomost 90 deg. angular, if you're brainwashed to blight, that's not my problem. Than you never know what round they used, You can easeley take an old M-48 and intercept it's round at 3k meters, where it has allmos no energy. All I see is projectile keeping flying by.
@ORKSIZDABEST no the rod wobbled in short it was not going though real armor brain dead fool. 3000 meters yeah sure and what missile, or laser are you using? Then watch it again cause go from a straight flight too a wobble. look again at impact the rod almost 5 to 10 deg down angle it never get though armor that way. Regardless it works and has been working in the field since this jan so suck on that.
@starknight97 Of, a smartarse we have here, 3k meters is not the distance of interception (between ADS and shell), so enough of yor sarcasm. And you might have noticed they hit it from behind, which they are never going to get in real combat cause it's gonna be kind of too late. I just love how people masturbate on israeli weapons without minimal using of their brain.
@ORKSIZDABEST will your talking it was hit a m48 round at 3k meters? nope it took many single frames plays but what happen is it was attacked from the left side across from the cam as it fly though the concussion hit it from bellow and behind pushing the fins upward cause the rod to lose it's stabilized flight. fact is they have the best western system though i like the Russian better with a much faster reaction time and better reload and overlap.
In response to Crusaderyn. I'm not saying this is a copy of the Soviet or Russian systems. However, the Soviets did indeed pioneer the idea, and the new Arena system is quite possibly the best out there. As for your counter-retaliation: All of the world was influenced by Germany, as Germany was influenced no doubt from Russia. In comparison, the US stole a much higher amount of former-Nazi designers and scientists than the USSR did. So, I wouldn't talk if I was you.
Germany moreover Soviet and US, even every country copy other's tech more or less. Can you assure soviet/russian never copy or study other's tech/idea? I dont care those issue such as who stole who, the clever person should know to learn other's virtue. And who make those claim that "XX stop copy our idea!!" is fool. So what,can you assess upon royalties?
system(you can search "IBD AMAP" in google there are IBD enterprise's homepage). you will
found it is totally different from Arena, in particular hard kill Mechanism. And in my opinion, it is more advancing than Arena. Of course, any system data come from their companis advertising, you couldn't know the actual effect before put it into battlefield
To "crusaderyn." Firstly, it is hard to read some of your writing, as it's quite hard to read. I'll try my best. Secondly, I do not believe that the AMAP defense system is a copy of the Russian Drozd or Arena. Get your information straight. Thirdly, I stated that many countries around the world were influenced by Germany, as was Germany from the Soviets, the Soviets from the Americans, etc. etc. The final result of our nation's military progress is related to our competitors and counterparts.
To "crusaderyn." The comment on the ERA blocks was not related to your posts. It was in response to a comment that active defense systems don't defeat KE rounds. As for your "please learn some more knowledge" comment; that's pretty self-explanatory right there. But I won't bother making immature remarks back at you. And, if you didn't read, I said that ALL countries copy or gain influence from someone else at one point or another.
In fact the "learn something you XXX" such talk was learn from those emotional people
,particular some russians(Not offensive to you.On the contrary, I think you're polite & educated people).....since I found youtube is more like the place you can learn so much "Web talk" & "conflict comment" which you hard to find in the dictionary.
To "crusaderyn." Well, thank you. I apologize if I at any point came across as rude. I'm sure the AMAP will turn out to be a formidible defense system, or at least a trend-setter for other nation's future tank defense systems.
Do you even know how arena works? its a double charge. it defends from the sides and the field is about 360degrees but then again. most of the lighter modern stuff hits from above.
i don't know if this system is better or not. hard to tell from a computer animation. but this much i know. your (obviously precious) T80's. and mostly just BARS, is a beast. but only with the full package (ARENA,Shtora(with the aerosolgranades)
In response to Johanonperkele. Arena may not protect against KE rounds, but certain reactive armor made by Russia and Ukraine such as the Kontact-5 and K-6 Kaktus armor can break many kinetic rounds.
stop with this claim.... the arena was first, but for now, there are better systems (2 israeli systems, the "iron fist" and the "trophy") even the americans are going to have better system than the arena.
It can stop top-attack missiles and EFPs? Looks like armor is catching up.
Breakerchase 1 year ago
@Breakerchase what's much more surprising is that it can apparently reliably stop KE projectiles which travel at speeds close to 1800 m/s due to its short reaction time
this always used to be the biggest challenge for any hardkill system and all hardkill systems currently fielded or in development have slower reaction times
500 microseconds or 0.0005 seconds.. a KE penetrator only manages to travel 90 centimeters within that timespan (at muzzle velocity)
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol
Heheh, might see one of these stop those kinetic energy missiles the US Army's been putting in the backburner now.
Breakerchase 1 year ago
thats german^^
J4K000B 1 year ago
/watch?v=9z6l6SwU_k0
Jubzin 1 year ago
This system uses an "Opto-electronically directable energetic charge with low volume expansion". I.e. it is a directed-energy weapon, capable of destroying RPGs, EFPs or KE-penetrators. No grenade, no shaped charge.
tim92vogt 1 year ago
@tim92vogt well if you call it energy weapon people automatically think of lasers and whatnot
this quote doesn't really tell us how it works either^^
i was trying for a while to find a little more info on how it works but that seems to be classified
from the live demo i've seen i'd actually consider it to be something similar to a shaped charge
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol
You're right it doesn't tell much abouth AMAP-ADS working mechanism, except that it doesn't use any grenade launchers (or multi-EFPs). But other videos about AMAP-ADS (i.e. presentations etc) show that AMAP-ADS consists of serveral "boxes" arranged between passive wake-up sensors. When some RPG gets in the scanning area, one of the "boxes" seems to explode (it releases the described "directable energetic charge with low volume expansion") and the RPG is detonated.
tim92vogt 1 year ago
israeli uses shotgun.
russia uses explosive.
chinese uses laser.
this system... direct beam...
might be microwave.
it would work within it's stated range.
lagrangewei 2 years ago
microwave cant stop KE
pwnz0rz0r 2 years ago
"Every last source avaiable confirms that AMAP-ADS uses a directed energy beam."
The actual statements are rather unclear. "direfcted energy" is true, but there are many forms of this.
My speculation is about a set of explosive charges that are timed in order to create a shockwave that is most strong in one direction (comparable to AESA radar antenna emissions). That would not require any moving parts, and today's computers are fast enough to do the calculation in time.
lastdingo 2 years ago
no its deisenroth.
what did they say?
"focused energy beam" != Laser
pwnz0rz0r 2 years ago
i dont believe its a laser or a simple explosion.
thats bullshit.
I think its a shaped charge.
it has a reactiontime of 500micrseconds and is 20 timer faster thann any other aps and therefor better than arena.
pwnz0rz0r 2 years ago 3
LOL do you really think we care what you believe? seriouls, nobody gives a shit about youtuber's mind. i prefer bevlieve in what the owner says (manufacturer of Rheinmetall).
xNexus65x 2 years ago
@pwnz0rz0r no it 560 microseconds the arena is 500 microseconds response time then again what soft kill system do the Germans have that's right non and your hard kill still a prototype yet.
starknight97 4 months ago
Yes, but can it stop a LAZER!
jetsam50000 2 years ago
Up-to-date europeans and americans again have stolen something at Russian;)
ReDDDgo 2 years ago
The wave from what? RPGs don´t have a big blast wave. Hell,most anti-tank rockets/missiles. don´t have one. Toactually blow away a Hummer or similar with a close-proximity explosion, you´ll need at least a 100 pound bomb.
Magni56 2 years ago
ARENA E is better since the coverage is 360x90 and it is not single use
adrastea99 2 years ago
This here is not single use, either. Adn it also covers 360x90 and it is an active system, unlike ARENA, which is a passive system, IE it only confuses targetting arrays/seeker heads. ARENA can´t do jack shit against unguided ordnance, unlike AMAP-ADS.
The russian counterpart would be Drozhd, which is limited in both angle of attack and ammo. And bulk.
Magni56 2 years ago
ARENA can stop APFSDS, which is unguided, meaning you are a dick
AMAP is ERA that explodes before it gets hit
adrastea99 2 years ago
Bull. Please stop lying out of your ass, fucktard.
Every last source avaiable confirms that AMAP-ADS uses a directed energy beam.
And ARENA? LOL! The junk can barely engage RPGs, let lone the massively faster and tougher target that is a tank round.
Magni56 2 years ago
"directed energy beam"
ie an explosion
Just like a Kinetic Energy Penetrator is a fucking bullet
Its called selling the product
And go educate yourself:
"The Arena active protection system was first tested at the Kubinka proving grounds in early 1995, successfully defending a Russian tank against an anti-tank guided missile and a kinetic energy penetrator."
Check out the article by James Warford in the Armor magazine (Fort Knox, KY: US Army Armor Center)
You are just a butthurt German
adrastea99 2 years ago
is this all, where is real video...?
vikruss 2 years ago
when will germany use it for the leopard 2 ?
Itachi18x 3 years ago
watch?v=dJz1QSZ-sRw
daduda1313 3 years ago
Two questions:
1.Can it against KE round such as APFSDS?
2.Does it use laser to destroy incoming projectiles?
sapfir23 3 years ago
1) it destroys all warheads and missiles of all sorts (including APFSDS rounds)
2)APS (Active Protection System), protects a tank or other armoured fighting vehicle from incoming fire before it hits the vehicle's armour. There are two general categories: soft kill systems, which use jamming or decoys to confuse a missile's guidance system, and hard kill systems, which attempt to detect and destroy incoming projectiles. In 2008, Time Magazine names the APS #8 in Time's Top 50 Inventions of 2008.
gunmetalxXx 3 years ago
"1.Can it against KE round such as APFSDS?"
Partially. Most APFSDS round will likely break apart when hit by it. That leaves lightly armored vehicles with just having a few hunks of metal hitting them at supersonic speed.
"2.Does it use laser to destroy incoming projectiles?"
No idea. The only thing I found was that it uses a direct-energy-system.
Magni56 2 years ago
direct energy is too large the firsat direct energy systems you will find will be on ships then large planes
hbkfitz 2 years ago
Except that AMAP-ADS is a direct energy system and can be mounted on a friggin jeep.
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The mechanism alike "shockwave" to destroy/deflect incoming projectiles.
Do you know how many block of ERA needed to protect a tank? and it couldn't cover the 360
degree. BTW, tandem warhead is good to cope with those block. Please learn more knowledge.......
^Dooooooouche.
kchrchk 3 years ago
Where is the footage? Only 3d-animation? Imagination wars?
kibabiba 3 years ago
What game is this? Looks cool...
Junije1 3 years ago
Sorry mister russia. but this system is not connected to arena in any way.
it does not use explosives in any way.
no moving parts there.
and not to forget. arena still does not work well.
other active protecting systems are definitely better. google trophy and iron fist. or Diehl ads.
owenbreon 3 years ago
So, how it works, if that is so? "Laser beam"?
It will cost 10 or more times than average block of reactive armour.
SloyZlon 3 years ago
The mechanism alike "shockwave" to destroy/deflect incoming projectiles.
Do you know how many block of ERA needed to protect a tank? and it couldn't cover the 360
degree. BTW, tandem warhead is good to cope with those block. Please learn more knowledge.......
crusaderyn 3 years ago
Trophy does not work any better. And Iron Fist hasn't even been produced yet. Do you think that simply because these are Western, they work better than their Russian counterparts? How simple-minded of you. The Soviets and Russians have been experimenting with this technology since the 70's. Whenever Drozd was applied in the Afghan war, it was used with outstanding results. Then they came up with Drozd 2, and now Arena. It's perhaps the best in the world, and will only continue to be upgraded.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
As you said,the Drozd was first APS used into
battlefield, and spend near 40 year to development and then Arena appeared. Germany spend less than 10 year to show the similar
product. and I will explain why I think it is more advanced than arena as below:
crusaderyn 3 years ago
1.AMAP can defeat multi-attack at same position in shortest period,they have tested it, you can check the video in IBD website.
2.AMAP use non-explosive kill mode so its less
collateral damage than Arena
3.AMAP is UltraLight,even can install on the
jeep type vehicle which Arena couldnt
crusaderyn 3 years ago
addon about 1:Arena use 1 of 26 ammunitions which surround the turret to counter the threat. Like ERA, after one ammunition launched
there will appear a weakpoint. also KBD claim Arena could defeat second attack through rotate turret to launch nearby ammunition.
but when do it, the gunner couldn't aim the target,and turret rotate speed is too slow to cope with continual attack from different
direction.
crusaderyn 3 years ago
To "crusaderyn." As IDFArmor stated, directed energy is expensive. Other alternatives are available, and I'm sure they will start appearing as AMAP progresses. Like I've mentioned before, Trophy, and Arena are already operational and in use. AMAP's still experimental.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
To "crusaderyn." 'Right, the Drozd was indeed the first, and the AMAP wasn't developed in the 70's as the Drozd was. It has provided decades of protection from Russian armor. As well, the new Arena costs less than the AMAP. I'm excited to see the price. See, when you increase the price of a vulnerable defense that much, you lose an economic war in individual combat. As in, their offensives are easier to produce.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
You morons. This is nothing like arena och throphy, this is far superior !! It does not use any moving parts or fragmentation warhead. This is the market leader leaving all the other junk in the dust. Britain, Sweden, France, Finland, Italy all support this system.
WiseguyJAS39 3 years ago
directed energy= expensive as hell.
i want to see it in action as well, what about collateral damage, kinetic projectiles and reload/refuel stats?
all classified i assume, but still.
IDFArmor 3 years ago
laser....
airsoftguy55 3 years ago
...huh? This is like TROPHY, but with much worse graphics...a solid line lol...
tenou123 3 years ago
What the hell is this? what is shooting the missile? How does it detect? This is very vauge, for now ARENA is the best IMO.
rusak24 3 years ago
Well, the co-manufacturer Rheinmetall claims it uses a "beam of concentrated energy" to create a blast which destroys the incoming missile or projectile. The system uses no explosives nor projectiles and needs only electricity.
All technical details are secret. They also claim that the system was successly tested on a swedish Hägglung IFV on 17.April this year.
It destroyed two simultaneous incoming RPG-7's fired from 50 meters distance.
Celeon999A 3 years ago
Master Joda can the concentrate light side of the force
kibabiba 3 years ago
Hmmm i don't think that AMAP is copy of "Arena". Seems AMAP works with another concept.
Anyway "Arena" is not first APS in the world, soviet "Drozd" APS was introduced earlier (in 1983).
Primorsky 4 years ago 7
@Primorsky correct it Russia 3rd one Arena that first was, Drozd, then Troph system then Arena.
starknight97 1 year ago
Trophy appeared only in 2006, later than arena, developed in the 80-s, but is far more sophisticated than arena. Anyway AMAP is much better than both theese ads.
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST Sorry. Development of Russian hard kill systems First came Drozd then Thrush AKA Drozd-2. Then Arena. Thrush was close too Trophy though that a Israel system. Trophy was first put in active duty 2010 late year and worked early 2011. As fare as AMAP-ADS lol it still testing. 1st it's unlike too be anywhere as good as Arena since the Russian have so much real experience with hard kill systems. 2 by the time AMAP is on a tank the Russians have a new one.
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 If arena is that good, why soldiers must keep away from it 30-50 meters at least? Plus, it only gives protection of front and sides, the back and roof top are exposed (hello, Javelin!). Trophy and AMAP give 360 degrees protection and have only 5% chance of harming fiendly infantry.
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST Your thinking Drozd system. Arena 300 degs all around up to top charges but aft that bad only week point. Then it just jams a simple javelin with sorta 1 a soft kill stacked with it hard kill system. Arena has many more charges then AMAP 3 at most over lapping wile Arena to has 3 max 1 facing it can just turn it turret to use all 23 to 26 charges even say due north wile the AMAP can't once your 3 charges are gone that it. Then you pointed out a x factor the Germans didn't see thxs
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 I'm sory,but arena gives - 5 +20 degrees vertical and +- 140 degrees horizontal protection.
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST Nope now you can get full 360 and top attack on arena e or export model which mean their home model can with faster reaction times. i send you a link in pm.
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 Allright, proooflink?
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST I did link you in pm got answer too. I seen your russian site 1 fatal flaw no date it for the bmp3 smaller unit so the 23 charge no top charges. then it not dated so it the older version. the E is the export model and any improvements on a E will surely be on there's. I didn't even know they had 360 till we started detail debates here. though the top down or top charges were made for the javelin a wile ago even the sorta 1 jams them.
starknight97 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST So tale of the tape.Both are now 360, top attack, tie thier. Russians are turret based so they can use them all for defense from a single direction. 1 for Russia, reaction time is 0.05 seconds arena .056 seconds AMAP-ADS Russia again wins. Russian have fast change charges for fast rearm, Germans don't/ Russian again. AMAP-ADS has a target high speed engagement of 2000mps Russian 900mps.German win. more energy in German AMAP-ADS German win. Off switch in Russian system. Russian win
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 4 russian to 2 germans it was a tie till i seen data on the new e area. then to boot vs the leo2a7 it has the sorta 1 system what the leo have?
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 Arene have a diffrent version
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yes i think that the point i was saying. though versus all systems the German first gen like a older Russian gen system.
starknight97 4 months ago
@starknight97 Not you wrong. Russian and German systems are very different including a principle of action. Russian have developed a lot of active protection system in the late 60's and 70's but the Soviet army did not agree with any of them.
Just do many Russian believe that such systems are not promising and may have only limited use in battle. All these things are dangerous for infantry surrounding the tank.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 will yes Russia on their third system now. yet doz system #2 was allot like the new first gen German system. agreed with or not allot were used in old t62 to update their protection and yes killed troops hiding by or close to the tanks. Only 1 as bad as the Russia 1st gen is the u.s. quick kill system. the one that least harmful for troop is the Israeli system.
starknight97 4 months ago
@starknight97 No you did not understand we are not talking about "Drozd". USSR created in the late 60's over 40 APS. But the Soviet army reacted to these developments with indifference. I dont know what you mean "old t62 to update their protection and yes killed troops hiding by or close to the tanks". The system "Drozd" was of limited use on tanks T-55 and T-62 in Afghanistan.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@starknight97 System SLID-Quick Kill is still under development and the Israeli Trophy is very dangerous for the infantry, they will kill all within 30% relative to the shot. Russian say that the system of active protection they just do not need as such all.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yes quick kill is a prototype just like the AMAP-ADS and you can see in tests how bad it is. if your in 30% deg angle of the shot the incoming projectile would kill you lol.Sorry i was thinking iron fist is 0 damage too infantry. though 1 plus why trophy won over AMAP-ADS is it's been know too stop and redirect penetration rods something AMAP-ADS has no chance of doing. The only case were if in that 30 deg attack plan where a troop would die yet the attacking wouldn't kill him
starknight97 4 months ago
@starknight97 I was talking about the trophy. Development of Iron Feast is completely closed. What do you mean you thought "is 0 damage too infantry"?! Any active protection system will be very dangerous for infantry. This is their application is very limited. Trophy and AMAP-ADS have different operating principle. For this reason the Russian army does not use the system even though they have a whole bunch of projects.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yeah too bad iron fist had a soft kill system too. iron fist was a none shrapnel explosive projectile that killed the incoming system on interception. in short you had too be close to it to get hurt by concussion the same with your system. kinda but yours and iron fist are much less so a troop would have too be close and that close to even a ke round would kill them. they have it on allot new systems now t90k models bmp3 new ones just they have the hard system killer too is all
starknight97 4 months ago
@starknight97 I do not think those systems are perspective it's just fashion
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yeah seen studies on iron fist it worked just trophy out did it once it started knock ke rounds off course. or you mean the system the russian have the active kill systems on. like all t90ms have it. though they just started building them.
starknight97 4 months ago
@starknight97 For the Russian army will be T-90MA, T-90MS will be for export. In Russia there is the development of active protection systems but no one thinks this is a perspective, for the tanks will mine the so-called "smart armor" is better than any APS.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 it might a translation or western just got the letter wrong again but even rt calls them MS. though layers is best all 4 active system will be better then any 1. though i agree ERA 6th gen is the best of them.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 T-90MS is export version of tank. In the years 2015-2016 they want to create a new vehicle he will weigh about 90 tons.
ERA 6th gen not exist, latest is third generation. "Smart armor" it's not ERA. This armor is based on new technologies, principles and materials.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i don't think so as Russian got rid of heavy's after ww2 with the IS10 or t10 the last one. Though the Armada might be a heavy tank in the 60ton range. it'll not likely need armor for it turret as the crew like t95 will all be in the hull making it armor with 6th gen block unbeatable for a sort time even vs a 140mm. Blazer era were gen on ti67 then Kontakt EDZ gen 2 then Kontakt-5 gen 3, Kaktus gen4 and finally Relikt gen 5 is on the t90m. so your right no 6th but it's not 3rd.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 First name of project is "armata" not "armada". Second it's not heavy tank it's MBT, heavy tanks died all around the world in 1950-60s years. Third it will be a great weight, according to some information, weight not less than 85-90 tons. This is to protect the circular and spacious layout. All Soviet tanks from the T-34 tanks were a dense layout. Tank under the name "T-95" does not exist, there are tanks - object 195, object 478, object 279, object 490, etc.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 in all translations and RT it's called armada also the voice of Russia, Russian new paper online calls it Armada. MBT is main battle tank in sort if you has a 2 ton tank and it was your main tank IT be your country MBT. yet tank have a weight wile the ww2 classification don't fit any more the tanks still have a weight though. MBT tank many ww2 aspects and role them into 1 when i say medium or heavy it merely means their weight. if Object 195 had been produced it been the t95
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 It's called armata not armada. I don `t know where you get that name is probably the journalists (among many of them are fools) were wrong.
Main battle tank, called the tank which combines the properties of medium and heavy tanks. The first main battle tank was the Soviet T-64.
Program for an object 195 is closed and opened the program "armata" to create a unified undercarriage. Object 195 can be any T - T-92, T-97, etc.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i getting from a yes a journalists in Russia from a Russian gen. though yes it could be mixed up even change the name. Anyway just prove it more info is on it from armada not armata.so stop saying your right prove it pal? yes and i say modern tank this gen coming out like type 10 in jap and k2 has light properties too. yet when i say weight i mean again for the 2cd time frenchie the weight of the tank so people have idea of it size. though t95 was dropped even by Russian gens
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 journalists are stupid or you understand something wrong, it's armata not armada.
Type-10 tanks and XK-2 is the tanks made by countries whom which have no thier own tank-building and borrowed a lot of foreign technology from Leopard 2, Leclerc and Abrams. This is not modern tanks, Japanese and Koreans were able to do something that madethe rest of the world back in the '80s. Type-10 and XK-2 is an ordinary third-generation tanks with western design.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97
The Soviet "contact 1", Polish "erawa" and "erawa-2," the Israeli blazer and super blazer is a very primitive first-generation ERA, contact-5 and kaktus thе second generation ERA , "relict" is the third generation of the ERA.
Tank "T-90M" does not exist, there is a T-90MS and T-90MA (to be in the future).
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 ok now your just lost the t90m was before this final production 1. it was the t90 modernization. it was not factory line but the prototype of t90a into what you call the t90ma. So now i know your talking BS. i spelled out he ERA for you true blazer was not Russian made but first Russian used and produced for ti67 improved t55. wheres Kaktus at, Kontakt and Kontakt-5 are not the same gen at wheres then russa had lab tests before blazer even in 1949 by Bogdan Voitsekhovsky
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Has never been the T-90M, there are two options the first one on the export of a T-90MS and one for the Russian army is a T-90MA. Prior to this, exports were the T-90S and in the Russian Army T-90A.
Blazer was purchased by Jews in Germany, is an old and very primitive ERA, it has long since been removed from service.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 dork yes their was and is it's the no production t90a modernization or prototype. their only a few becuase it's the project of updating them before the production model. yes and it first gen ERA what this got do with anything frenchie?
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Why you offense me ? "dork" lol.
T-90A is serial Russian tank and modification T-90M does not exist. I do not understand why are you arguing with me.
French AMX-30 have the French ERA
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 sorry miss took you as ORKSIZDABEST. once again the prototypes where the m till this new production model cam out. they both have prior tanks the k1 and type 90. then japan has tank all the way back too ww2 junk but still has it own tanks. Back in the 80's huh the k2 flattens it self too hid and ambush not too say what else it does the the type 10 uses electric motors and go as fast backwards as forward has the best networking systems and a armor a generation ahead of all else.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 What can I say. The Japanese have a copy of M-47 and M-60 (if I remember correctly) but it is difficult to name and good tanks. Then they created a copy of Leopard 2 A 4 (type-90) and later modified it (type 10).
K-1 established by the American firm General Dynamics for the South Korea-based Abrams. Tank XK-2 is a modification of the K-1 tank. This tank is protected much weaker than modern Western tanks.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 lol what about the Type 61,Type 74
Then what the leo a copy of that right the MBT-70 lol. Will that unknown yet as it has a unknown composite and uses bot the ERA and NERA. the K@ has the most powerful western gun so first shot a kill anyway even vs the m1a2sep. Her suspension much better and uses KSTAM ammo giving the best range 8km.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Type 61 - to a large extent, this is an M-47, Type 74 - many taken from M-60. Do you think these tanks are self-development ?
Leo 2 was created by Leo tank 1, the American Army and the German had different requirements. Final Leo 2 was very similar to the prototype M-1 from the Chrysler. Firepower is dependent not only on the gun and the pressure in the barrel but also on the projectile, no country in the world does not have a serial analog M-829A3.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 yes taken the tech of the time but they just keep going back Type 5 Chi-Ri. the m47 were too big for the japs. Dr. Manfred was under contract for Rafael when he made ERA blazer. then he not German. yes and the round NATO so any other 120mm can fire our great rounds in their much better guns. both the m1 and leo 2 are based on the MBT-70 which is based on the leo 1 which is based on the t44,t55.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Tanks Type 61 and Type 74 is largely copied from the american tanks.
Basically, I've heard about the projectile for 2A82 Russian gun with a coefficient of elongation of 1 to 68 (1 to 40 for M829A3) that exceeds the M829A3 and M829E4. But this shell with a uranium segmented core is an experimental.
Manfred Held working for a German firm IBD disenroth if I'm not mistaken.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 a DU core and they all have it it had a uranium core the u.s. would be attack by the u.n. experimental don't count till it on the field like xm1111 lol. Man your lost Dm53 & 63 are not the same the 63 is a smaller charge on purpose. i have the test for the A3 as i worked subcontract in the field. when he made the Blazer ERA he was working for Rafael at the time subcontract most likely.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 xm1111 is closed. Russia have experimetal new "Sokol-1" tank rocket - hypersonic, fully automatic guidance and multispectral seeker, the ability to overcome the APS, NERA, ERA, SLERA etc armor types. Range of 24 km, with the possibility of targeting any other means. Russian uranium munitions were in the late '70s they were not hard to do, but they had a length limit for automatic charging. Shell of which I spoke has a segmented core like a M829E4.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 Reflex-m 1 of a few out their yes flaws but sounds better then Lahat yet lahat better on paper. true slow but heavy warhead yes the rpg28/29 are older now but kill any tank they hit. the lahat has the same size warhead and true on the 45 deg but that still top armor though easy kill if it hits the javelin only 60 deg down. yes they are all slow for now. As far as the M829E4 they making it to bet the new ERA but with the L44 gun on the m1 i dough they get it much better then a3.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 I think Hellfire-2, JAGM, Meteor, Maveric, PARS is much better than all of these X-ROD, LOSAT, XM-1111, Reflex-m, Lahat etc. None of the modern tank can not stand getting into the roof of a heavy aircraft missiles.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 because most are fat missiles they have too have a 120mm or less diameter. in the Russian case 125mm. xm-1111 would be better then allot of though with a 12km range.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Agree but they have experimental Sokol-1 missile 24 km range and hypersonic top-attack. But this is only the project as xm-1111 is difficult to say to the missile entered service or not.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 heard all kinds of wild things about the Sokol-1 from a FF version with 5km to a semi guided 12km range and a top attack 24km range speed very too make sense though since Russian missile tech so advanced. Will see when they come out as the xm-1111 is on delay for the m1a3. Fast be good but the have too be real fast too make a good defense to even think of betting active defense systems.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 This missile is a project now like xm943 staff round. Very difficult to say whether it will be put into service or not. The high speed is needed to circumvent the NERA / ERA / APS types of protection. There's some unusual ammunition.
Americans need to complete the program CATTB in the middle of the 90s it was a stupid decision to close it.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 nothing new the u.s. has canceled all their new tech worth a dam. i bet the new m1a3 is stealing from cattb lol.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 And what do you know about the modification of the M-1A3 ? It's just a modification of the M-1A2 or completely new tank as CATTB. Have you seen the video on YouTube where the train is carrying something similar to CATTB ?
The sides on the other Russian and Western European countries too, have lost much of their very interesting projects.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 besides the few picks just the cross over areas like lighter armor they wanted. Then a long range weapon systems, trophy hard kill system, Even the Cattb was totally new it was still on and had the m1 lower half. the 40ton FCS was the closest to a totally new tank. then the main fact that the cattb was just a test bed platform for trying new tech mean they are dumb if they don't use it more so since it the same platform but i don't think it'll get the 140mm or other goodies.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 In my opinion, FCS is a stupid program. While I like the future APC wich Americans planned to build on the FCS. Stryker certainly needs to be replaced. But created tank in the mass 20-30 tons with the same level armor protection as a tank weighing 65 tons is not possible, no new technology here will not help.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97 CATTB in this respect is much better and more thoughtful design that gives a real advantage on the battlefield + out of this thing can be a lot of things to create (repair and recovery vehicle, a heavy IFV, heavy medevac, etc.)
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97 Israeli M-322 and DM-63 German is much worse than the M-829A3. L55 gun and ammunition from Germans could not destroy the M-1 in the forehead, but only KSTAM ammo from this thing can be prevented. The transmission can be changed in any tank. In the experimental electricity transmission have to many countries.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i'm talking guns not ammo our ammo is what keep us going though take our round out of a L55 gun and it'll do much better yet. DM53 fired from L55 have penetration level 760mm RH at 2000m. M829A3 fired from L44 have penetration level 765mm RH at 2000m. then the 63 is a weaker charge anyway. then the lahat missile make up for the merks rounds easy. yeah but they don't have them.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 M829A3 have a 930mm RH at 2000. DM53 and 63 it is almost the same thing, 63 is 53 with some modifications. Yes L55 has a higher pressure in the bore than L44 and any projectiles fired from L55 going to penetrate more.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97
Last modified M-1 with depleted uranium mesh of the third generation has the durability of the KE round, more than 850 mm in the forehead. That is, it can not penetrate any French, German, Israeli, British, Italian, South Africa, China. Russia, etc. serial ammunition. In this case the M-1 itself can punch in the head all the other tanks due to M829A3.
lahat is crap missile. I can explain.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 no the new t90ms and new ERA can defeat the M829A3 round and it barrel is a new Longer caliber higher pressure cannon adding too all current rounds. Pen in RH mm not yet out. then the new at-11 missile(9M119M Refleks) is of the same design as the rpg 28 with 4.5 kg warhead the same as the rpg 28. so it go right though it. then yes please explain on the Lahat lol i can't wait for this cause this kill the m1 even easier then the 9M119M Refleks will.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Russians say to me "reflex-m sucks". It's outdated rocket. It is a subsonic, long flies, needs pointing laser and useless in a meeting engagement, besides its range and penetrate insufficient in modern tanks.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97
Lahat ? Ok. It also needs to be backlit laser-like reflex. It is true only in the terminal phase. She often breaks down guidance, it is subsonic, and its real not penetrate 800 mm and about half that figure. In addition, it is not quite top-attack, it hits at an angle of 45 degrees and can be hit in the most powerful part of the tower where this thing can not penetrate the armor.
What do you think about M829E4 round ?
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97 It senseless to recall an experimental design. Soviet Union has created a lot of active protection systems, and several variants of ERA (for tank object 432) in the 60's but none of them did not go into mass production.
Development of the first ERA in the Soviet Union began in 1948. Contact-1 is the first generation. Cactus and contact-5 is not the same thing but this is a one generation, this is the second-generation ERA. "Relict"on T-90MS is the third generation.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 i only doped ones that were put on at least several tanks all though systems were or are. nope blazer was first built from the research of Bogdan Voitsekhovsky. then on top of this were put on several tank in Russian war in the middle east. lol you don't get gens forget it.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 I do not understand you. Blazer is old and primitive ERA is hard to keep even the cumulative ammunition. Blazer was purchased by jews in Germany. At the heart of armor blazer is a German design.
You probably mean the tests in the USSR in the 80s captured Israeli tank M-48 with blazer armor and M-111 shells. Yes I know about it.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 no at the heart of it is Bogdan Voitsekhovsky design in 1949 in the USSR. RAFAEL Advanced Defense Systems designed and developed the Blazer. Around 1969, a Norwegian working for Rafael by the name of Dr. Manfred Held discovered the drive-plate explosive sandwich design which later became explosive reactive armour.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Yes, Dr. Manfred Held is a famous scientist who did much for Germany in the field of armor.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa3 then why did he work for Rafael a isreali based corp.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Dr. Manfred Held work for disenroth IBD
DisgorgeKILLusa3 3 months ago
@starknight97 And, how you probably noticed, shell was hit from behind, it's like try hitting a runner in his back or in his chest and you know which hit will more likley knock em down.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@starknight97 Nice try, but your numbers are false, it taces autoloader 5-11 seconds, depending on shell position in carrousel, for what a human can do in 4 so re-calculate your math. Yet, interval between 2 shots will be longer, cause you need to check if shell is loaded correctly, aim at the target and so on.
ORKSIZDABEST 4 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST The Xfactor is this. AMAP is do good for it own use. as it shot at the heavy very fast Russian penetratetor too with little effect. wasting charges on them with the fast reload time of the t90 auto loader going though 3 charges will be seconds at almost 13 rpm. The Russian command can shut his off so it not wasted on the western penetratetors
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 Actualy, autoloader is a bit slower than human loader, but it still takes gunner 10-15 seconds to lock on target . Comparing AMAP and trophy, well first one is simply faster.
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@starknight97 Actualy, manual load is a bit faster. And comparing AMAP and Trophy, well AMAP is a bit faster as well.
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST no maul load is allot slower 6rpm vs up 12rpm on smaller rounds like the 100mm and the 125mm 8 to 10 rpm with the t90 having 0 jams and can fire at that same rate for it entire load wile a human loader can be injured and slows over time. record load time is 8 rpm with a human loader with a 120mm not the 105mm with was 10rpm. faster in what way reaction time? the Russian is the fast reaction time.
starknight97 4 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST then the u.s. government tested AMAP-ADS and Trophy plus quick kill and few others and picked Trophy over them all.
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 But choosing a weapon system US army takes in count not only it's effectivness, but some other "X-factors" as well. U must remember the story with F-22 prototypes. Also, watch?v=PEXCMBBWIY0&feature=channel_video_title
ORKSIZDABEST 11 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST Yes one crashed to incorrect aerodynamic modeling. This happens in prototypes. This allso prove my point that x-factors will make first gen under preform a 3rd gen model. Over all the f22 a better craft too have up against the pak fa then the yf23 would have been.
starknight97 11 months ago
@starknight97 And still, what the hell is Troph, if it's neither trophy nor Drozd? I can't find a single mention of it.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST Trophy is a Israeli system first gen yet the best western made 1. AMAP can't redirect KE rounds as a matter of fact only Trophy can.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Where did you get this BS, Trophy can't do a god damn sing about KE, though Armored Fist is credited to be capable of it. Some impartial sourses say it's only effective against old RPGs.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST the metal pelts(real mass) when enough hit the KE penetrateor it wobbles like a baldly though (American)foot ball. If this happens the ke rounds loses all of it power and can even deflect off small armor plating if the round not flying right. This now being researched too see if this effect can be enhanced. This was 1 of the main reasons the u.s. picked over all others systems even their own.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Lol, it doesn't even have enought energy to stop RPG grenade. It doesn't shoot down anything , it just makes any HEAT warhead go off prematuraley. watch?v=N1LOmm85cZ0&feature=related he RPG wasn't stopped or shot down. And the reason we adopted it is jewish lobby in congres.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST yes it worked great. then is a case were 1 it went clean though the He round you can see this and 2 if the he can for the super heated jet it can pen even light armor. Now in this case only 1 or a few pellets hit the he rocket but they are soft and will go though it. Test show it far better then AMAP which is a prototype non production and no chance of stopping ke.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 watch?v=YGF7x3TVNCQ&feature=fvwrel right here at 1:32 you can see how it doesn't stop the shell from penetrating and obstakle. Unlike the tests ran for Iron curtain, jews never risked firing directly into their tank.They won't bullshit even a marine drill sergeant.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST yes you missed it all it was on a angle and never gotten though a m60 armor even. a rod has too hit straight. then it cardboard even my bb gun could get though it. AMAP system couldn't even have made the rod go off center. Then i have seen direct fire after the test yes. they have their reason for not killing even old e.q.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Yes, it is an allomost 90 deg. angular, if you're brainwashed to blight, that's not my problem. Than you never know what round they used, You can easeley take an old M-48 and intercept it's round at 3k meters, where it has allmos no energy. All I see is projectile keeping flying by.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST no the rod wobbled in short it was not going though real armor brain dead fool. 3000 meters yeah sure and what missile, or laser are you using? Then watch it again cause go from a straight flight too a wobble. look again at impact the rod almost 5 to 10 deg down angle it never get though armor that way. Regardless it works and has been working in the field since this jan so suck on that.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Of, a smartarse we have here, 3k meters is not the distance of interception (between ADS and shell), so enough of yor sarcasm. And you might have noticed they hit it from behind, which they are never going to get in real combat cause it's gonna be kind of too late. I just love how people masturbate on israeli weapons without minimal using of their brain.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST will your talking it was hit a m48 round at 3k meters? nope it took many single frames plays but what happen is it was attacked from the left side across from the cam as it fly though the concussion hit it from bellow and behind pushing the fins upward cause the rod to lose it's stabilized flight. fact is they have the best western system though i like the Russian better with a much faster reaction time and better reload and overlap.
starknight97 3 months ago
@starknight97 Intercepting a shell above you? It's like killing a dirty Haji scum half-a-world away to protect United States, lol.
ORKSIZDABEST 3 months ago
@ORKSIZDABEST huh most active kills work upwards lol. so what ever.
starknight97 3 months ago
Nice animation, i think i will make my own system with an "i win button" :D
noobsstinken 4 years ago
it is first not mean it is best, your missile tech is also copy from german.Arrogancy russian moron!
crusaderyn 4 years ago
In response to Crusaderyn. I'm not saying this is a copy of the Soviet or Russian systems. However, the Soviets did indeed pioneer the idea, and the new Arena system is quite possibly the best out there. As for your counter-retaliation: All of the world was influenced by Germany, as Germany was influenced no doubt from Russia. In comparison, the US stole a much higher amount of former-Nazi designers and scientists than the USSR did. So, I wouldn't talk if I was you.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
As you say, all of the world was influenced by
Germany moreover Soviet and US, even every country copy other's tech more or less. Can you assure soviet/russian never copy or study other's tech/idea? I dont care those issue such as who stole who, the clever person should know to learn other's virtue. And who make those claim that "XX stop copy our idea!!" is fool. So what,can you assess upon royalties?
crusaderyn 3 years ago
BTW, I think you shoud learn more about AMAP
system(you can search "IBD AMAP" in google there are IBD enterprise's homepage). you will
found it is totally different from Arena, in particular hard kill Mechanism. And in my opinion, it is more advancing than Arena. Of course, any system data come from their companis advertising, you couldn't know the actual effect before put it into battlefield
crusaderyn 3 years ago
To "crusaderyn." Firstly, it is hard to read some of your writing, as it's quite hard to read. I'll try my best. Secondly, I do not believe that the AMAP defense system is a copy of the Russian Drozd or Arena. Get your information straight. Thirdly, I stated that many countries around the world were influenced by Germany, as was Germany from the Soviets, the Soviets from the Americans, etc. etc. The final result of our nation's military progress is related to our competitors and counterparts.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
To "crusaderyn." The comment on the ERA blocks was not related to your posts. It was in response to a comment that active defense systems don't defeat KE rounds. As for your "please learn some more knowledge" comment; that's pretty self-explanatory right there. But I won't bother making immature remarks back at you. And, if you didn't read, I said that ALL countries copy or gain influence from someone else at one point or another.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
I should mark "In response to SloyZlon"...
In fact the "learn something you XXX" such talk was learn from those emotional people
,particular some russians(Not offensive to you.On the contrary, I think you're polite & educated people).....since I found youtube is more like the place you can learn so much "Web talk" & "conflict comment" which you hard to find in the dictionary.
crusaderyn 3 years ago
To "crusaderyn." Well, thank you. I apologize if I at any point came across as rude. I'm sure the AMAP will turn out to be a formidible defense system, or at least a trend-setter for other nation's future tank defense systems.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
@crusaderyn No military missile is not copy from germany.
DisgorgeKILLusa3 4 months ago
who ownes you naw amerika
impeatus 4 years ago
oveisrael
lol you got only first generation russia is suprior in this russia got soon generation 3
soon the those american sytems is obslute ewen the China is going to have a better sutems then iron fist and trophy
T80s 4 years ago
What is actually intercepting the missile on this system however?
ReconTeam111 4 years ago
sorry but arena is best...
T80s 4 years ago
Do you even know how arena works? its a double charge. it defends from the sides and the field is about 360degrees but then again. most of the lighter modern stuff hits from above.
i don't know if this system is better or not. hard to tell from a computer animation. but this much i know. your (obviously precious) T80's. and mostly just BARS, is a beast. but only with the full package (ARENA,Shtora(with the aerosolgranades)
ARENA doesn't protect against KE attacks.
johanonperkele 4 years ago
In response to Johanonperkele. Arena may not protect against KE rounds, but certain reactive armor made by Russia and Ukraine such as the Kontact-5 and K-6 Kaktus armor can break many kinetic rounds.
linkchrono1955 3 years ago
stop with this claim.... the arena was first, but for now, there are better systems (2 israeli systems, the "iron fist" and the "trophy") even the americans are going to have better system than the arena.
loveisrael 4 years ago
hm.. a copy of the arena sytem
T80s 4 years ago