I just realized that I am responding to a mental defective who juxtaposed photos of two men, Joseph Sacerdote and Bruce Sacerdote, who are not related and don't particularly resemble one another. They share a fairly common Italian surname.
What possible point can this mindless jackass imagine he's making?
You have made a vicious, stupid, and manifestly false claim. I dare you to face the families of people killed on 9/11 and try peddling your nonsensical fantasies. Your cowardice is matched only by your irrationality.
Try reading "Divided We Stand" written in 1999 by Eric Darton,it descibes how the towers were emptied (relocated) of tenants from '93 onwards with only virtual space later leased (giving the illusion of total occupency).Now what makes more sense,a non-fiction book written pre-9/11 or the governments bullshit fairytale.
You are quite insane. I know several people who worked in the towers. Tell me, when my girlfriend and I visited Windows on the World back in 2000, was there a restaurant? Did we get served?
@RonaldWieck i actually believe you might of gone to windows on the world because it was the only company that was left as normal,so yes you did get served lol.
@RonaldWieck "Just imagine what you brain-dead liars do to the rest of us."
coming from the person who thinks there is loads of evidence that 19 jihadists highjacked planes but most of these highjackers are still alive.while you defend this horseshit you are not doing anyone any favours.
LETS ROLL!!!! a famous quote from your favorite movie lol
Oh, I almost forgot--when will Da Twoof mobilize its crack investigative teams and find us ONE firefighter listed as killed on 9/11 who really wasn't?
Idiot, OF COURSE in any group of 300 humans there will people who resemble other people. Stop this lunatic tap dance. You can readily find the names and photos of the 343 firefighters killed on 9/11. Show us ONE who didn't really die. Show us ONE fake funeral.
If you are willing to make a repugnant, vile accusation, back it up. For once I'd like to see one of you anonymous cowards exhibit some balls.
Fuck you chicken shit coward flag sucking americasn scum . Freefall speeds , insider trading , dont fuck with bin laden , three buildings one day , missing gold , dont question , dont tell wake up , free thinkers , nwo scum, fuck you all. 2.4 seconds
@joecanukk What free fall speed? Based on their hight the towers should have collapsed within 9.7 seconds if they fell at free fall speed... Time it for yourself if you don't believe me but they actually took about 15.2 seconds. What? Does a 5.5 second difference sound like nothing to you? It shouldn't... That is 56.7% slower then free fall. That is a very serious difference.
@joecanukk I cannot help but notice my comment listed actual evidence for what I said that you have not refuted... Maybe you are the one who needs to go do some homework? By the way I often find the only people who view "son" as an insult are teen agers so I am going to go out on a limb here and guess you now have two kinds of homework to do... both the litteral and the metaphoricle.
@MrAwsome514 You say that the reason you won't give out the name of your grandfather who "alledgedly" died on flight 77 is because of your fears over identity theft,yet his name will already have been seen by thousands on the various memorial sites and the flight manifest.
@cartoonplanes maybe you forgot this but there is one other reason I gave. It is also because you truthers have a bad habbit of harrassing anyone who comes fowar Sure the name may be out there right now but there is no one looking for it. I link it to me here and all the truthers who like to harrass the victims will know which name to target. Most truthers don't believe the names are real and thus don't steal their identities and most non truthers don't even look at the names any more.
@cartoonplanes Put simply No one is paying any attention to the flight manifest right now which is why I am relatively safe at the moment but if I where to publicly link myself to the name then well that would be a different story. Not to mention even though the identity theft issue is a constant threat the hate mail and harrassment I used to get from truthers won't start comming again if I don't reveal the name either.
@cartoonplanes But the real issue here is that you have allready stated that this information will not convince you. As such that leaves me to wonder why exactly you keep hammering that one single dead point after you yourself killed it? Unless ofcourse you don't actually care about seeing proof and are just trying to harrass me... That would make perfect sense.
@MrAwsome514 joe u need to test that theory and the only way to test it is to go to the top of the empire state building and throw urself over and see how long it takes to splat u on the ground
@RonaldWieck Reports describing the contents of the vaults before the attack suggest that nearly $1 billion in precious metals was stored in the vaults. 2001 Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered.
Im no math expert but after visiting "mainstream" and "twoofer" sites the numbers dont add up ..as far as NIST revisiting its "extensive" research on how building 7 fell ?
I have never seen any mention of $1 billion in gold: the amount is always $230 million. The metal was stored in WTC 4. You are not making any sort of coherent point.
@ctcole77 lol .In its final report on WTC 7, which came out in November 2008, NIST – rather amazingly – admitted free fall. that would be the third building that collapsed due to fires. But hey you dont want to hear any of it . Life in the bubble is great . Go sports team of choice!
NIST never "admitted" anything. Their time collapse sequence has part of the structure fall for only 2.25 seconds of freefall. And 911 twoofers always start their collapse sequence AFTER the penthouse collapses?
@ctcole77 it doesnt matter whether it fell at freefall speed or not the fact is it fell in a symmetrical fashion in 6.5 secs.the way you think that because it wasnt freefall there was nothing wrong with the collapse lol,it is you who spreads lies.
@ctcole77 lmao . The numbers don't lie, people do. NIST wont even release their conclusions. Sorry your countries leaders sold you out for a few shekels. 2.25 seconds of free fall. Building 7 imploded in the exact manner of a professionally engineered demolition. Yet it doesnt seem odd in the slightest, wow. Office fires dude ? And yes with a little research NIST officially reports "free fall". A "liar" he states. (holds hands to ears and chants .lalalalalalalalala.)
@RonaldWieck Seems all the testimony from Fire fighters, police and civilian's your mainstream mind is made up that there were no sounds heard on 911. In spite of the significance of Jennings' position with NYC on 9/11 and his controversial eyewitness testimony regarding the collapse of WTC7, the media has not investigated or reported on his death or his statements. 2.25 if you want to nitpick. Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing on themselves. name calling ? kid
NOBODY thinks there were no sounds. Things blow up in office fires. Jennings was NOT a twoofer. The 2.2 second of free fall occurred WITHIN the entire collapse period.
We can run through this routine every day if you like.
@RonaldWieck You talk in circles,. are you an internet shill? Read how they command tens of user names to incorporate government policies. Done with you guy . All the vids talking of "major explosions". "Experienced all these explosions" "secondary explosion" " it was just like gun fire then three big explosions" "It was just pounding, boom , boom ,boom ,boom " I could go on ... But im sure these at the scene in the buildings witnesses are liars to? " Enjoy the bubble flag sucker.
One last time: There were EXPLOSIONS. Things blow up in office fires. There was no evidence for EXPLOSIVES.
A controlled demolition is characterized by a near-simultaneous series of VERY LOUD blasts followed IMMEDIATELY by the collapse of the building. That DID NOT happen on 9/11.
I know this is hard for you, but try to concentrate.
@KingDavid478 Because it wouldn't actually prove anything. the point I am trying to demonstrate here is that these guys litterally have a way of belief which allows them to dismiss absolutely any evidence that is physicscally possible to present. The names won't prove anything because the flight manifest is publicly available. Anyone could just look it up and pick a few names without being related to them at all. That information will not convince him and he has stated this himself previously.
@MrAwsome514 Yeah it would prove a lot MrAwsome. It would prove for a fact people was on that plane and it actually hit the building, shredding his theory to death. I think you dont understand if you only gave the names he requested and he found them on that list, no doubt, would prove it all. In my mind anyways,
@KingDavid478 That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard... So let me get this stright. If we go on the assumption that I was lieing to you all I would have to do to "prove" my lies would be to simply look at the flight manifest which is open to anyone who wants to see it on the web and just pick a name off the thing to tell to you? It is no wonder the conspiracy theroists have convinced you to believe them when your standards for what you consider evidence is so incredibly low.
@MrAwsome514 Right, he could look at the flight manifest, obviously he has. He obviously believes its bogus. You could tell him the name of your granddad and we could verify it in ways beyond that so called flight list that you claim you will pick a name. You can pick any name you want, your right, but it has to be the truth bc we can find out very easily. Evidence fools me so easy? No you have no evidence, just a few claims, at least he made a video trying to prove his point. You?
@KingDavid478 He has not looked up anything... Have you seen some of the posts he has been making to other people? The only thing he ever does is berate everyone he comes across that does not believe the conspiracy theory. He presents no evidence of his own at all to anyone. Instead he places the burden of proof on everyone else.
@KingDavid478 Besides I allready told everyone why I won't give out the name. What part of it would make me vulnerable to identity theft don't you understand? Sorry but I have no intentions of putting myself through years of fighting the rediculusly impossible battle against identity theft simply for a slim chance at proving a point... I should hope no one on this planet would be stupid enough to do such a thing willingly. But seeing as how you seem to expect it of me as if it where nothing...
@KingDavid478 Well I guess since you seem to think just handing over personal information that could be used to steal your identity is such a casual thing that you cannot even understand why I won't do it that must mean you are pretty stupid.
I claim that Barbara Olson died when AA77 crashed into the Pentagon. Persuade me that she gave up an extremely well-paid life as a best-selling author and TV personality to enter the Witness Protection Program. Let's see what you have, fraud.
All but five of AA77's passengers and crew members were identified by DNA testing. Let me guess: the rescue workers who recovered the human remains and the forensic examiners are all part of your imaginary conspiracy.
@KingDavid478 The truth is the only acceptable proof would be birth certificates, death certificates, any sort of documentation related to my grandfather. But ofcourse there is a catch... All documentation reguarding a person's existance has connections to the government. Since he believes the government faked the whole thing, made up the victims, and he himself is not of an open enough mind to even examin evidence that means he cannot accept any government oreinted documentation as being real.
i only just realised in the past week what a massive hoax 911 was.i always new it was an inside job but the other day i came across the pictures with dates in the info from before 911 and noticed the victims not registered as dieing on 911.then i came across vids like this on vicsims,watched september clues and checked the september clues site and it all made so much sense.FAKE!!!
You are a fool. The names and photos of all 343 firefighters killed on 9/11 were published in all the NYC dailies on the tenth anniversary of the attacks and are readily available on the net. Show us ONE fake.
The demented cretin who coined the term "vicsims" is a liar. There is a reason why such frauds are anonymous internet trolls. If they had anything, they'd be rich and famous.
@RonaldWieck of course they will be available on the net,why wouldnt they be?explain how alot of the pictures look similar?explain how that would happen?
@mphasis1983 May I ask you a question? I've been reading through some recent posts here and I'd like you to clarify something. Is it your belief that 343 NYC Firefighters were not killed on 9/11?
@mphasis1983 I see. So, sticking with the Firefighters...is it your belief that the photos of 343 firefighters were of people who never existed to begin with?
@mphasis1983 My channel is not available because I see no useful purpose in making it public. I happen to have an unlisted telephone number as well. While I appreciate the Internet, I also appreicate (and respect) privacy. In any event, what I had asked was if it was your belief that the photos of the 343 NYC Firefighters were of Firefighters that never existed to begin with. I'm having trouble understanding how that could possibly be. Since you've obviously researched this, I wanted to ask.
@azul8811 ok thats fine just never seen a channel not being available thats all.yes it is my belief and is many others aswell who have done the research and cant find any proof of anyone dieing on 911.all the firefighter photos look like morphs and alot of them look too similar to eachother without being related,watch this vid from 2:25 it will show you fakery.
@mphasis1983 Well, I see quite a few problems with the theory that these firefighters never existed to begin with. For example: The Chief of Department, Peter Ganci, never existed? The 1st Deputy Commissioner, Wm. Feehan, never existed? Assistant Chief Donald Burns never existed? Chief Ray Downey (quite renown in fire service circles) never existed? FDNY Chaplin, Mychal Judge never existed? I mean these were people well known in the FDNY for many, many years. Do you see a problem here?
@azul8811 but people in the fire department and police were involved in the whole thing so thats not a problem at all.new identities dished out to each and every one of them.did you watch that vid?
@mphasis1983 New Identities? But the premise presented was that the people in the photos never existed to begin with. So, did they or didn't they? Are you now suggesting that 343 Firefighters weren't killed but instead never showed up at work ever again, were given new identities (along with their familes) and were relocated to another part of the country? Before I watch any video, I'd like to understand what the premise is exactly. It seems rather fluid. I was hoping that you could explain.
@azul8811 look if your saying that some were high end firefighters then they have been given new identities.the fire department had to be in on the whole thing as well as the police to help pull it off,the rest look to be fictious people.if highend firefighters look to have died then it sells the story that the deaths are real,does it not?watch the video and see the fakery,911 is a lie.
@mphasis1983 Oh, so now the premise is that some firefighters did in fact exist, and others were complete fabrications. I see. But how do we decide which is which? Is it when someone's existence simply can't be denied because they were too well known we say they were given a new identity? And If he wasn't that well known by the general public we say he never existed?
@azul8811 HAHAHA,i never said some existed you did.your the one who said they were well known people and i gave you a solution.i also told you the fire department were in on it so they may well have faked deaths just to sell the story,whether they existed or not,it doesnt look like they died.
maybe you can decide what a fake is by watching the video i linked you to,why wont you watch it mr no available channel?
@mphasis1983 Well, I have to admit, now you've lost me. I honestly do not understand YOUR position concerning all of the 343 NYC Firefighters. a) Did they exist? b) Did they "not exist"? Or, c) Some existed and some didn't.. but you have no idea which is which? BTW I'm having trouble with the link, what's the name of the video you want me to watch? I'll search it that way.
@azul8811 does it matter whether they existed or not lol?tell me something,why do we see only the same 50 family members out of 3000 victims?the whole point of this subject is that there is no proof that anybody died meaning 911 was a psyop hoax.another person that says the link wont work lol even though it works for every1 else.look at the vid on this channel called honor the vicsims,then tell me if those firemen are real.
@azul8811 infact are you even another person or just ronaldmcdonald using another account?is your channel not available because you made it over the last few days?
@RonaldWieck@MrAwsome514 claims his grandfather died on flight 77 along with his neighbors father...amazing odds that he knew two of the victims when you consider the number of "supposed" passengers on that flight...
...and as far as picking a name,let's just wait until he actually decides the time and place are right to divulge this precious info eh.
Let's not wait. Whether or not the poster's story is true, all the passengers and crew members of AA77 were killed when jihadist hijackers crashed the plane into the Pentagon. You haven't yet explained why Barbara Olson voluntarily walked away from a life of fame and fortune to hide out. In reality, the woman died in the crash. Your deranged cult ignores the air traffic controllers, the crash investigators, the rescue workers, and the forensic examiners. Why?
@RonaldWieck have drank wayyyy too much gov't koolaid Ronny. 9/11 did not involve Tarrrrists as Bush led you and the sheeple to believe. 100% inside operation down to the last detail. wake up
@LifePsyop Actually you got that wrong. I was a cargo pilot. The statement was that I flew a plane that was similar to a 767 (and for a short time a 767 that had been repurposed to be a cargo plane). By the way my neighbor's father was close friends with my grandfather. They where on a trip together. And yes I did interview people in nyc. I spoke to many people reguarding the events when I whent to claim the body.
@LifePsyop Nope. You are just too arrogant to accept that you being wrong is even a possibility. Even sending you back in time and putting you on one of the planes thelmselves would not convince you. You believe what you want to believe and you will allow nothing to change that. No one can convince a man who simply does not want to change his mind requardless of the evidence.
@cartoonplanes And I am still waiting for you to tell me what evidence you want. I am not putting personal information out in the open for nothing man... Tell me what information you need in order to be convinced and I will give it to you.
@MrAwsome514 So your not going to give out any personal information regarding the death of your "grandfather" on flight 77....how about giving out his & your names for starters,or do you regard that as personal information.
@cartoonplanes If you actually cared about finding the "truth" you should probably have been able to figure it out just from what I have allready said. I mean come on all you would have to do is look at the god damned flight manifest and find out who match the description... Oh but that is something a truth seeker does, and you are just here to berate anyone who disagrees with you... Which is why you hyper focus on your one idiotic question rather then examin the accuracy of what has been said.
@MrAwsome514 Let remember it was YOU who claimed you lost your grandfather on flight 77,and it is YOU who constantly refuses to back up your claims with a single piece of evidence,You asked me what information i wanted and i told you i'd be happy to start with the names of yourself and your grandfather and still you offer NOTHING.
Stop stalling and prove your claims..i won't stop asking.
@cartoonplanes Untill you tell me what information you want I see no reason to pay any attention to you at all. I have told you why I want you to specify what information you want and you simply ignore it and instead of cooperating you berate me for not just plastering my life story on here. Sorry but I am not inclined to make myself vulnerable to things like identity theft for nothing.
@LifePsyop You forgot to mention he's also a photography expert. He has likely revealed the identity of his so-called grandfather. There should be two people on the list from the same town and one of them should be at least 65 years of age. Addresses could be used to further confirm as they were neighbors. That is if they really exist. I'm convinced he is a shill so I won't spend the time, but in the improbable event someone believes him they can check it out for themselves.
Let's review the claims of your evil mindless cult:
ALL the air traffic controllers, structural engineers, crash investigators, fire safety experts, metallurgists, seismologists, demolition professionals, coroners, forensic examiners, firefighters, military personnel, eyewitnesses to the plane crashes, etc. are in on it.
In ten years, NOBODY has leaked a word.
These, ladies and gentlemen, are the fantasies of an agenda-driven idiot who is anonymous for good reasons.
Well, that's good news. So you are prepared to acknowledge that the experts your evil, deranged cult routinely accuses of being shills, actors, fakes, etc. might actually know a few things you low-IQ ignoramuses don't know?
Tell us about the video analysts you've managed to con.
Oh, you say you wouldn't dream of facing one?
Tell us what the physicists who wrote about the manner in which the planes entered the towers got wrong.
@RonaldWieck LOL, Video analysts? You need an analyst to tell you when something on TV is fake or not? You also seem to base reality on a physicist's paper in which most input data is based off a fake video. What an amazing religion you belong to. What kind of rituals do you practice?
A genuine video compositing expert Steve Wright gave the ineducable dunce Ace Baker a thorough trouncing when Baker peddled his CGI crapola on a "Hardfire" debate. SHOW US that ALL the amateur videos are fakes.
@cartoonplanes I have yet to see you post any evidence that these pictures are fake... Have you had any actual experts examin them for evidence of alteration... nope. If the planes where CGI why is it everyone in manhatten seems to state that they saw them? I actually whent to manhatten myself recently and asked several people if they saw them. Very few said no. Ofcourse if you wanted to prove this story you could just go to manhatten and video interview the people there... Why don't you?
@MrAwsome514 "If the planes were CGI why is it EVERYONE in Manhatten seems to state they saw them"
Have you actually heard EVERYONE in Manhatten state they saw them...oh no,that's right you just admitted you only spoke to several people & not everyone.
@MrAwsome514 You claim your grandfather died on flight 77 but STILL seem reluctant to show the evidence (maybe for personal reasons)..do you know anyone else who died as a result of 9/11.
@cartoonplanes Haha, now Mister Awesome has gone to Manhattan and found and interviewed multiple 9/11 eyewitnesses! And they all saw a plane! Just gets better and better...
@cartoonplanes Clearly planted plane parts? Where is your evidence? You want to berate me for not posting personal information as proof and then you turn around and make unfounded assertions without showing any evidence with it? The you are both a hypocrit and a fool.
@MrAwsome514 Regarding planted evidence..how is it possible for a planes engine to slice through 2 sides of the wtc tower and leave no exit hole (my channel background),then drop 700ft gaining momentum as it falls yet leave zero impact damage to the surface below then land where it did without knocking down any of the surrounding scaffolding..and can you prove these particular engines were used on 767's.
@MrAwsome514 So..after countless attempts by myself & @LifePsyop you still refuse to any proof to your ridiculous claims that your grandfather died on the non-existant flight 77 & to make matters even more ridiculous you even claim your neighbors father died on the flight as well & that your job is as a 767 pilot...
...time to close your account,take a pay cut & start again..MrShill.
You cannot persuade a single video analyst that there any planes appearing the various amateur videos are CGIs. The sort of real time compositing you posit is not possible.
The plane crashes did not defy physics. You are too stupid to understand the physics.
No parts were planted in front of hundreds of rescue workers.
@RonaldWieck What you really mean is, you saw the planes on TV, so they must be real, and anyone who questions any official reports from that day is crazy. Yep, got it. Please Drive Thru.
No, cretin, I mean that tens of thousands of people saw UA 175 crash into the south tower. They watched from their cars as they crossed East River bridges; from their apartment and office windows; from rooftops in Brooklyn Heights; from the streets around Ground Zero.
Air traffic controllers tracked the plane right to the doorstep of the towers. Remains of several passengers and crew members of AA11 and UA175 were found and identified by DNA testing.
An object weighing roughly 150 TONS moving at 500 mph will slice right through glass windows and steel perimeter columns, only to be chewed up by the forest of interior columns. I can't explain the physics of the crashes using 500 characters nearly as well as NASA scientist Ryan Mackey explained the subject in his three-part "Hardfire" lecture that I hosted. Try Googling "MAckey on the physics of 9/11." You might--God forbid!--learn something.
Mackey did an excellent job of explaining the physics of the crashes. Either watch his lecture and tell us what the aerospace scientist got wrong or STFU.
@RonaldWieck what he got wrong was that a plane cant have 5 different trajectories lol,this just proves your 757's to be fictional blobs.watch september clues to get a glimpse of reality.
Stop wasting everyone's time, idiot. September Clues is a piece of deranged trash that was utterly destroyed, ironically, by Jew-hating twoofer Anthony Lawson. You didn't watch a minute of Mackey's lecture. UA 175 had a very definite flight path. It was tracked right to the towers.
Those "fictional blobs" contained real people who left behind grieving families, you evil moron. Those blobs were seen by tens of thousands of witnesses.
@RonaldWieck HAHAHAHA!!!! you really are a fool,september clues has no way of being debunked,its facts ffs,tell me how its been debunked lol?why would i watch a any of his lecture when its lies,anyone with a brain knows there were no planes.
"Those "fictional blobs" contained real people who left behind grieving families"
did they,its amazing how the memorial photos have exif data with dates before 911.victims collected before the event = FICTIONAL!!!
@RonaldWieck "Those blobs were seen by tens of thousands of witnesses."
so its not 1000 witnesses anymore its now tens of thousands of witnesses,thats a big leap.i would hardly call an actor or someone from the media a witness lol.there were no real witnesses cause there were no planes.remember 5 different trajectories does not happen lol.
Sorry, liar, it's always been tens of thousands of wirtnesses. Three of my closest friends saw UA 175 hit the south tower: two from their office windows, and one from the street below. I have spoken with perhaps two dozen other eyewitnesses.
Your ridiculous falsehood about five trajectories is gibberish.
Have you found us a video analyst you can con with your pathetic lies?
Sorry, lying asswipe, three of my closest friends SAW the plane hit the south tower. Their accounts are not on public record. They didn't speak with any media. They just came home and told their friends and spouses.
September Clues is incompetent rubbish cranked out by a fool. There is a reason why you anonymous trolls hide under your beds.
When will you be showing us ONE firefighter listed as having been killed on 9/11 who really didn't die?
@RonaldWieck LOL!!! you say 3 of your closest friends SAW the plane yet you call me the lier,is it you or me saying they know people who saw a plane?you decide who the lier is.
"Their accounts are not on public record."
i never said they were i was stating that only actors and the media said they saw planes and also obviously your fake friends.
"September Clues is incompetent rubbish cranked out by a fool."
WRONG!!!september clues is hard evidence of tv fakery,the game is up.
You pathetic asshole, my "fake" friends are people I've known for over thirty years. September Clues was utterly destroyed by the Jew-hating twoofer Anthony Lawson.
When will you find a video analyst you can con with your deranged bullshit?
Are ALL the air traffic controllers who tracked the hijacked planes on radar part of your imaginary conspiracy?
It's long past time to seek psychiatric help, cretin.
@RonaldWieck well done,calling me evil must mean its true.
"ALL 343 firefighters listed as having been killed were really killed."
prove it!!!
"YOU are the psycho making the fantastic claim. The onus is on YOU to support it."
the research has already been done,you are commenting on a video which shows fakery lol.
tell me why we only see the same fucking 50 or so family members out of 3000 victims for fuck sake?i think there would be alot more if that many people had died dont you.
SHOW us evidence that even ONE funeral was faked. SHOW us ONE firefighter who didn't exist. Pick a name and photo from among the 343 members of the FDNY killed on 9/11, then find another firefighter who resembles the first one, and get to work. SHOW us that one or both were not real people.
@RonaldWieck "Pick a name and photo from among the 343 members of the FDNY killed on 9/11, then find another firefighter who resembles the first one"
once again watch the link i gave you to awnser your silly question.how can they be real when they look the same and are not related lol.the perps got lazy,obviously faking 3000 people is very tedious so they made only minor changes to some.
You brain-damaged cretin, you;re pretending that my friend is talking about IMAGINARY people??? How do you demented scumbags manage to feed yourselves? The names of EVERYONE who died at Cantor Fitzgerald are available. FIND US A FAKE, liar.
You the dumbest piece of human excrement I've ever had the pleasure to trash.
@RonaldWieck just because the names are available with photos doesnt mean the victims are real you moron,they are morphed,photoshoped and have fake names ffs.why is your mind so limited?
You are claiming that my friend mourned the loss of people who didn't exist. You are a very demented ghoul. It is time to put up or crawl away on your belly.
Another good friend of mine knew several people at Cantor Fitzgerald who were killed. He used to play cards with them, go to ballgames, and visit one another. He asks idiots like you where those missing friends are. Do you think they're still alive?
The link doesn't work. Stop prancing and dancing and DO something. The FDNY lost 343 men; 658 employees at Cantor Fitzgerald were killed; 614 in WTC 2 died. The names are easy to find.
SHOW US ONE FAKE.
Here's how it's done. You do your investigative work and show us your proof that Joe Blow, listed as dead, really didn't die at all.
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I just realized that I am responding to a mental defective who juxtaposed photos of two men, Joseph Sacerdote and Bruce Sacerdote, who are not related and don't particularly resemble one another. They share a fairly common Italian surname.
What possible point can this mindless jackass imagine he's making?
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I know vastly more about formal logic than you do, cretin.
When I give you the back of my hand and demand that you tell your deranged lies to NYC firefighters, I am not making an ad hominem argument.
The names and photos of the 343 firefighters killed on 9/11 are readily available. Show us ONE fake person.
C'mon, evil moron, let's see what you have.
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Bullshit, lying cretin.
You have made a vicious, stupid, and manifestly false claim. I dare you to face the families of people killed on 9/11 and try peddling your nonsensical fantasies. Your cowardice is matched only by your irrationality.
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Try reading "Divided We Stand" written in 1999 by Eric Darton,it descibes how the towers were emptied (relocated) of tenants from '93 onwards with only virtual space later leased (giving the illusion of total occupency).Now what makes more sense,a non-fiction book written pre-9/11 or the governments bullshit fairytale.
CluesforumDOTinfo/The Empty Towers (scroll down)
CluesforumDOTinfo/9/11 Institutions.
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@kansasinnovember
You are quite insane. I know several people who worked in the towers. Tell me, when my girlfriend and I visited Windows on the World back in 2000, was there a restaurant? Did we get served?
Are there any limits to your madness?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck i actually believe you might of gone to windows on the world because it was the only company that was left as normal,so yes you did get served lol.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
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@mphasis1983
Brilliant. I "might" have eaten dinner at WIndows on the World, a very famous restaurant.
Now, you do understand that thousands of people worked in the towers. Most of them were, of course, NOT killed on 9/11.
Do you believe the other psychotic asswipe's lunacy about Eric Darton's book? Do you imagine that Darton lent any credence to your demented fantasies?
RonaldWieck 5 days ago
@RonaldWieck windows on the world stayed active while all companys apart from a few in on the plot where moved after the 93 bombing.
mphasis1983 4 days ago
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@mphasis1983
You are insane, evil scumbag. Nobody believes your lies. There is a reason why you are an anonymous troll hiding out on the net.
Show us ONE "fake" firefighter, asshole.
RonaldWieck 4 days ago
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@mphasis1983
You have been caught lying again:
911myths(dot)com/html/losing_money_at_the_wtc_.html
RonaldWieck 4 days ago
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@kansasinnovember
Are you planning to tell me if we actually got served at Windows on the World? Were all the people getting on and off the elevators "actors"?
Again, what are the limits to your delusional fantasies?
RonaldWieck 6 days ago
RonaldWieck @MrAwsome514
"Please accept my sympathy for your loss."
MrAwsome514 @RonaldWieck
"Thank you."
you crack me up.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
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@mphasis1983
Just imagine what you brain-dead liars do to the rest of us.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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@RonaldWieck "Just imagine what you brain-dead liars do to the rest of us."
coming from the person who thinks there is loads of evidence that 19 jihadists highjacked planes but most of these highjackers are still alive.while you defend this horseshit you are not doing anyone any favours.
LETS ROLL!!!! a famous quote from your favorite movie lol
mphasis1983 1 week ago
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@mphasis1983
Oh, I almost forgot--when will Da Twoof mobilize its crack investigative teams and find us ONE firefighter listed as killed on 9/11 who really wasn't?
NEVER, you say?
Hmmmm, very interesting...
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@cartoonplanes true
sasajc05 1 week ago
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@mphasis1983
Idiot, OF COURSE in any group of 300 humans there will people who resemble other people. Stop this lunatic tap dance. You can readily find the names and photos of the 343 firefighters killed on 9/11. Show us ONE who didn't really die. Show us ONE fake funeral.
If you are willing to make a repugnant, vile accusation, back it up. For once I'd like to see one of you anonymous cowards exhibit some balls.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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RonaldWieck 1 week ago
Fuck you chicken shit coward flag sucking americasn scum . Freefall speeds , insider trading , dont fuck with bin laden , three buildings one day , missing gold , dont question , dont tell wake up , free thinkers , nwo scum, fuck you all. 2.4 seconds
joecanukk 1 week ago
@joecanukk What free fall speed? Based on their hight the towers should have collapsed within 9.7 seconds if they fell at free fall speed... Time it for yourself if you don't believe me but they actually took about 15.2 seconds. What? Does a 5.5 second difference sound like nothing to you? It shouldn't... That is 56.7% slower then free fall. That is a very serious difference.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@MrAwsome514 Go back and do some homework son .
joecanukk 1 week ago
@joecanukk I cannot help but notice my comment listed actual evidence for what I said that you have not refuted... Maybe you are the one who needs to go do some homework? By the way I often find the only people who view "son" as an insult are teen agers so I am going to go out on a limb here and guess you now have two kinds of homework to do... both the litteral and the metaphoricle.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@MrAwsome514 You say that the reason you won't give out the name of your grandfather who "alledgedly" died on flight 77 is because of your fears over identity theft,yet his name will already have been seen by thousands on the various memorial sites and the flight manifest.
cartoonplanes 1 week ago
@cartoonplanes maybe you forgot this but there is one other reason I gave. It is also because you truthers have a bad habbit of harrassing anyone who comes fowar Sure the name may be out there right now but there is no one looking for it. I link it to me here and all the truthers who like to harrass the victims will know which name to target. Most truthers don't believe the names are real and thus don't steal their identities and most non truthers don't even look at the names any more.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@cartoonplanes Put simply No one is paying any attention to the flight manifest right now which is why I am relatively safe at the moment but if I where to publicly link myself to the name then well that would be a different story. Not to mention even though the identity theft issue is a constant threat the hate mail and harrassment I used to get from truthers won't start comming again if I don't reveal the name either.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@cartoonplanes But the real issue here is that you have allready stated that this information will not convince you. As such that leaves me to wonder why exactly you keep hammering that one single dead point after you yourself killed it? Unless ofcourse you don't actually care about seeing proof and are just trying to harrass me... That would make perfect sense.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@MrAwsome514 joe u need to test that theory and the only way to test it is to go to the top of the empire state building and throw urself over and see how long it takes to splat u on the ground
sooouuuuper 1 week ago
@joecanukk
Well done. No buildings free fell; no gold was missing; the insider trading was the first thing investigated.
Congratulations, you are a twoofer. You will never be disturbed by facts or evidence.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck Reports describing the contents of the vaults before the attack suggest that nearly $1 billion in precious metals was stored in the vaults. 2001 Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered.
Im no math expert but after visiting "mainstream" and "twoofer" sites the numbers dont add up ..as far as NIST revisiting its "extensive" research on how building 7 fell ?
joecanukk 1 week ago
@joecanukk
I have never seen any mention of $1 billion in gold: the amount is always $230 million. The metal was stored in WTC 4. You are not making any sort of coherent point.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@joecanukk
Brilliant post. Imagine how smart you'd sound if English were your first language.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@joecanukk
Freefall isn't even a speed Mr. Science. Sounds lie you need to take Physics for Truck Drivers.
Absolutely no building collapsed at freefall on 911.
911 TRUTH DEBUNKED!
ctcole77 1 week ago
@ctcole77 well i guess thats that then cause no buildings fell at freefall speed.
case closed lol
911 FOOLS DEBUNKED!
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
Exactly. Nice to see a 911 twoofer realizing he doesn't have a clue about physics.
Free fall is an acceleration or, a rate in change of velocity over time.
Lesson over.
ctcole77 1 week ago
@ctcole77 i dont think you understand what i meant lol.
i was stating that it doesnt matter whether they fell at freefall its still 1 fucked up way for buildings to collapse normally.
No debunking!!
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@ctcole77 lol .In its final report on WTC 7, which came out in November 2008, NIST – rather amazingly – admitted free fall. that would be the third building that collapsed due to fires. But hey you dont want to hear any of it . Life in the bubble is great . Go sports team of choice!
joecanukk 1 week ago
@joecanukk
Nice try liar.
NIST never "admitted" anything. Their time collapse sequence has part of the structure fall for only 2.25 seconds of freefall. And 911 twoofers always start their collapse sequence AFTER the penthouse collapses?
911 TRUTH = 911 LIES
ctcole77 1 week ago
@ctcole77 it doesnt matter whether it fell at freefall speed or not the fact is it fell in a symmetrical fashion in 6.5 secs.the way you think that because it wasnt freefall there was nothing wrong with the collapse lol,it is you who spreads lies.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@ctcole77 lmao . The numbers don't lie, people do. NIST wont even release their conclusions. Sorry your countries leaders sold you out for a few shekels. 2.25 seconds of free fall. Building 7 imploded in the exact manner of a professionally engineered demolition. Yet it doesnt seem odd in the slightest, wow. Office fires dude ? And yes with a little research NIST officially reports "free fall". A "liar" he states. (holds hands to ears and chants .lalalalalalalalala.)
joecanukk 1 week ago
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@joecanukk
NIST has a Q&A website. Go ahead and check it out and ask them any questions you want.
NIST has also held live feed video conferences where 911 twoofers like Dr. Steven Jones and Richard Gage attended.
I know 911 twoofers don't like to hear these facts.
"Building 7 imploded in the exact manner of a professionally engineered demolition."
Well, as soon as you can convince some demolition engineers of this maybe you can take your case to court!
911 TRUTH DEBUNKED!
ctcole77 1 week ago
@joecanukk
Try reading for comprehension, moron. NIST's data show a 2.2 second period of free fall within the entire collapse time.
WTC 7 did not "implode": it collapsed. Demolitions make very loud SOUNDS, the sort of sounds that WERE NOT HEARD ON 9/11.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck Seems all the testimony from Fire fighters, police and civilian's your mainstream mind is made up that there were no sounds heard on 911. In spite of the significance of Jennings' position with NYC on 9/11 and his controversial eyewitness testimony regarding the collapse of WTC7, the media has not investigated or reported on his death or his statements. 2.25 if you want to nitpick. Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing on themselves. name calling ? kid
joecanukk 1 week ago
@joecanukk
I'll keep trying--maybe something will sink in.
NOBODY thinks there were no sounds. Things blow up in office fires. Jennings was NOT a twoofer. The 2.2 second of free fall occurred WITHIN the entire collapse period.
We can run through this routine every day if you like.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck You talk in circles,. are you an internet shill? Read how they command tens of user names to incorporate government policies. Done with you guy . All the vids talking of "major explosions". "Experienced all these explosions" "secondary explosion" " it was just like gun fire then three big explosions" "It was just pounding, boom , boom ,boom ,boom " I could go on ... But im sure these at the scene in the buildings witnesses are liars to? " Enjoy the bubble flag sucker.
joecanukk 6 days ago
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@joecanukk
One last time: There were EXPLOSIONS. Things blow up in office fires. There was no evidence for EXPLOSIVES.
A controlled demolition is characterized by a near-simultaneous series of VERY LOUD blasts followed IMMEDIATELY by the collapse of the building. That DID NOT happen on 9/11.
I know this is hard for you, but try to concentrate.
RonaldWieck 6 days ago
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What kind of low life scum would accuse all the people who died on 9/11 as fakes? Get out of your parents basement and find a girlfriend!
TheJohndoemofo 2 weeks ago
I believe planes hit the building but not 757's.
KingDavid478 2 weeks ago
@KingDavid478
You are correct. Boeing 767s hit the twin towers. A Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
Tell him your granddads name and your name. Very simple question. Why can't you answer that?
KingDavid478 2 weeks ago
@KingDavid478 Because it wouldn't actually prove anything. the point I am trying to demonstrate here is that these guys litterally have a way of belief which allows them to dismiss absolutely any evidence that is physicscally possible to present. The names won't prove anything because the flight manifest is publicly available. Anyone could just look it up and pick a few names without being related to them at all. That information will not convince him and he has stated this himself previously.
MrAwsome514 2 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Yeah it would prove a lot MrAwsome. It would prove for a fact people was on that plane and it actually hit the building, shredding his theory to death. I think you dont understand if you only gave the names he requested and he found them on that list, no doubt, would prove it all. In my mind anyways,
KingDavid478 2 weeks ago
@KingDavid478 That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard... So let me get this stright. If we go on the assumption that I was lieing to you all I would have to do to "prove" my lies would be to simply look at the flight manifest which is open to anyone who wants to see it on the web and just pick a name off the thing to tell to you? It is no wonder the conspiracy theroists have convinced you to believe them when your standards for what you consider evidence is so incredibly low.
MrAwsome514 2 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Right, he could look at the flight manifest, obviously he has. He obviously believes its bogus. You could tell him the name of your granddad and we could verify it in ways beyond that so called flight list that you claim you will pick a name. You can pick any name you want, your right, but it has to be the truth bc we can find out very easily. Evidence fools me so easy? No you have no evidence, just a few claims, at least he made a video trying to prove his point. You?
KingDavid478 1 week ago
@KingDavid478 He has not looked up anything... Have you seen some of the posts he has been making to other people? The only thing he ever does is berate everyone he comes across that does not believe the conspiracy theory. He presents no evidence of his own at all to anyone. Instead he places the burden of proof on everyone else.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@KingDavid478 Besides I allready told everyone why I won't give out the name. What part of it would make me vulnerable to identity theft don't you understand? Sorry but I have no intentions of putting myself through years of fighting the rediculusly impossible battle against identity theft simply for a slim chance at proving a point... I should hope no one on this planet would be stupid enough to do such a thing willingly. But seeing as how you seem to expect it of me as if it where nothing...
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@KingDavid478 Well I guess since you seem to think just handing over personal information that could be used to steal your identity is such a casual thing that you cannot even understand why I won't do it that must mean you are pretty stupid.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@KingDavid478
I claim that Barbara Olson died when AA77 crashed into the Pentagon. Persuade me that she gave up an extremely well-paid life as a best-selling author and TV personality to enter the Witness Protection Program. Let's see what you have, fraud.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@KingDavid478
All but five of AA77's passengers and crew members were identified by DNA testing. Let me guess: the rescue workers who recovered the human remains and the forensic examiners are all part of your imaginary conspiracy.
Right?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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@KingDavid478
Barbara Olson was on AA77. She died in the crash, moron.
RonaldWieck 5 days ago
@KingDavid478 The truth is the only acceptable proof would be birth certificates, death certificates, any sort of documentation related to my grandfather. But ofcourse there is a catch... All documentation reguarding a person's existance has connections to the government. Since he believes the government faked the whole thing, made up the victims, and he himself is not of an open enough mind to even examin evidence that means he cannot accept any government oreinted documentation as being real.
MrAwsome514 2 weeks ago
i only just realised in the past week what a massive hoax 911 was.i always new it was an inside job but the other day i came across the pictures with dates in the info from before 911 and noticed the victims not registered as dieing on 911.then i came across vids like this on vicsims,watched september clues and checked the september clues site and it all made so much sense.FAKE!!!
mphasis1983 3 weeks ago
@mphasis1983
You are a fool. The names and photos of all 343 firefighters killed on 9/11 were published in all the NYC dailies on the tenth anniversary of the attacks and are readily available on the net. Show us ONE fake.
The demented cretin who coined the term "vicsims" is a liar. There is a reason why such frauds are anonymous internet trolls. If they had anything, they'd be rich and famous.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck of course they will be available on the net,why wouldnt they be?explain how alot of the pictures look similar?explain how that would happen?
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983 May I ask you a question? I've been reading through some recent posts here and I'd like you to clarify something. Is it your belief that 343 NYC Firefighters were not killed on 9/11?
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 it is my belief and many others that no one died on 911.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 I see. So, sticking with the Firefighters...is it your belief that the photos of 343 firefighters were of people who never existed to begin with?
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 why is your channel not available?
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 My channel is not available because I see no useful purpose in making it public. I happen to have an unlisted telephone number as well. While I appreciate the Internet, I also appreicate (and respect) privacy. In any event, what I had asked was if it was your belief that the photos of the 343 NYC Firefighters were of Firefighters that never existed to begin with. I'm having trouble understanding how that could possibly be. Since you've obviously researched this, I wanted to ask.
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 ok thats fine just never seen a channel not being available thats all.yes it is my belief and is many others aswell who have done the research and cant find any proof of anyone dieing on 911.all the firefighter photos look like morphs and alot of them look too similar to eachother without being related,watch this vid from 2:25 it will show you fakery.
watch?v=KNwAxJ92vlE&feature=channel
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 Well, I see quite a few problems with the theory that these firefighters never existed to begin with. For example: The Chief of Department, Peter Ganci, never existed? The 1st Deputy Commissioner, Wm. Feehan, never existed? Assistant Chief Donald Burns never existed? Chief Ray Downey (quite renown in fire service circles) never existed? FDNY Chaplin, Mychal Judge never existed? I mean these were people well known in the FDNY for many, many years. Do you see a problem here?
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 but people in the fire department and police were involved in the whole thing so thats not a problem at all.new identities dished out to each and every one of them.did you watch that vid?
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 New Identities? But the premise presented was that the people in the photos never existed to begin with. So, did they or didn't they? Are you now suggesting that 343 Firefighters weren't killed but instead never showed up at work ever again, were given new identities (along with their familes) and were relocated to another part of the country? Before I watch any video, I'd like to understand what the premise is exactly. It seems rather fluid. I was hoping that you could explain.
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 look if your saying that some were high end firefighters then they have been given new identities.the fire department had to be in on the whole thing as well as the police to help pull it off,the rest look to be fictious people.if highend firefighters look to have died then it sells the story that the deaths are real,does it not?watch the video and see the fakery,911 is a lie.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 Oh, so now the premise is that some firefighters did in fact exist, and others were complete fabrications. I see. But how do we decide which is which? Is it when someone's existence simply can't be denied because they were too well known we say they were given a new identity? And If he wasn't that well known by the general public we say he never existed?
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 HAHAHA,i never said some existed you did.your the one who said they were well known people and i gave you a solution.i also told you the fire department were in on it so they may well have faked deaths just to sell the story,whether they existed or not,it doesnt look like they died.
maybe you can decide what a fake is by watching the video i linked you to,why wont you watch it mr no available channel?
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 Well, I have to admit, now you've lost me. I honestly do not understand YOUR position concerning all of the 343 NYC Firefighters. a) Did they exist? b) Did they "not exist"? Or, c) Some existed and some didn't.. but you have no idea which is which? BTW I'm having trouble with the link, what's the name of the video you want me to watch? I'll search it that way.
azul8811 5 days ago
@azul8811 does it matter whether they existed or not lol?tell me something,why do we see only the same 50 family members out of 3000 victims?the whole point of this subject is that there is no proof that anybody died meaning 911 was a psyop hoax.another person that says the link wont work lol even though it works for every1 else.look at the vid on this channel called honor the vicsims,then tell me if those firemen are real.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@azul8811 infact are you even another person or just ronaldmcdonald using another account?is your channel not available because you made it over the last few days?
mphasis1983 5 days ago
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@mphasis1983
Sorry, asswipe, I use exactly ONE channel: MINE.
ALL 343 firemen killed on 9/11 were quite real. There is a reason why you are an anonymous troll. You are a gutless scumbag.
RonaldWieck 5 days ago
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@mphasis1983
So, evil slime, you are finally going to show us ONE fake firefighter?
NO???
STILL NO???
Let's see: You are a) insane; b) extremely stupid; c) uneducated in any technical field.
Explain how you "analyze" the photos of the people killed on 9/11.
Tell us when you will confront a real photo analyst.
NEVER, you say???
RonaldWieck 5 days ago
@RonaldWieck @MrAwsome514 claims his grandfather died on flight 77 along with his neighbors father...amazing odds that he knew two of the victims when you consider the number of "supposed" passengers on that flight...
...and as far as picking a name,let's just wait until he actually decides the time and place are right to divulge this precious info eh.
cartoonplanes 1 week ago 2
@cartoonplanes
Let's not wait. Whether or not the poster's story is true, all the passengers and crew members of AA77 were killed when jihadist hijackers crashed the plane into the Pentagon. You haven't yet explained why Barbara Olson voluntarily walked away from a life of fame and fortune to hide out. In reality, the woman died in the crash. Your deranged cult ignores the air traffic controllers, the crash investigators, the rescue workers, and the forensic examiners. Why?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck Look at how they censor your comments. They aren't interested in the truth at all. All they want is to protect their delusion.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
@MrAwsome514
You're absolutely right. I will never understand why clinging to a stupid fantasy is more important than learning the facts.
Please accept my sympathy for your loss.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck Thank you.
MrAwsome514 1 week ago
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@RonaldWieck have drank wayyyy too much gov't koolaid Ronny. 9/11 did not involve Tarrrrists as Bush led you and the sheeple to believe. 100% inside operation down to the last detail. wake up
khunopie 1 week ago
Lets review MrAwsome514's claims he has made on multiple 9/11 videos:
Claims:
His grandfather died on Flight 77
His neighbor's father died on Flight 77
He is/was a Boeing 767 Pilot
He has an expert understanding of how the WTC Towers collapsed
He has interviewed people in NYC that saw a plane
... and probably many more claims we haven't seen yet.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a Shill, that is shilling for the Media Coverup of the events of 9/11.
LifePsyop 3 weeks ago 28
@LifePsyop Actually you got that wrong. I was a cargo pilot. The statement was that I flew a plane that was similar to a 767 (and for a short time a 767 that had been repurposed to be a cargo plane). By the way my neighbor's father was close friends with my grandfather. They where on a trip together. And yes I did interview people in nyc. I spoke to many people reguarding the events when I whent to claim the body.
MrAwsome514 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Sorry, Mr Shill. You blew it.
LifePsyop 3 weeks ago
@LifePsyop Nope. You are just too arrogant to accept that you being wrong is even a possibility. Even sending you back in time and putting you on one of the planes thelmselves would not convince you. You believe what you want to believe and you will allow nothing to change that. No one can convince a man who simply does not want to change his mind requardless of the evidence.
MrAwsome514 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Still waiting for the evidence to back up your claims that your grandfather died on flight 77....
..and as everyone knows,if you could prove your claims the conspiracy theory would be blown apart..stop stalling and show the evidence...NOW.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@cartoonplanes And I am still waiting for you to tell me what evidence you want. I am not putting personal information out in the open for nothing man... Tell me what information you need in order to be convinced and I will give it to you.
MrAwsome514 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 So your not going to give out any personal information regarding the death of your "grandfather" on flight 77....how about giving out his & your names for starters,or do you regard that as personal information.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@cartoonplanes If you actually cared about finding the "truth" you should probably have been able to figure it out just from what I have allready said. I mean come on all you would have to do is look at the god damned flight manifest and find out who match the description... Oh but that is something a truth seeker does, and you are just here to berate anyone who disagrees with you... Which is why you hyper focus on your one idiotic question rather then examin the accuracy of what has been said.
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cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Let remember it was YOU who claimed you lost your grandfather on flight 77,and it is YOU who constantly refuses to back up your claims with a single piece of evidence,You asked me what information i wanted and i told you i'd be happy to start with the names of yourself and your grandfather and still you offer NOTHING.
Stop stalling and prove your claims..i won't stop asking.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Comment from you 2 days ago..."Tell me what information you need in order to be convinced and I WILL give it to you".
How about the names of both you and your grandfather?.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@cartoonplanes Untill you tell me what information you want I see no reason to pay any attention to you at all. I have told you why I want you to specify what information you want and you simply ignore it and instead of cooperating you berate me for not just plastering my life story on here. Sorry but I am not inclined to make myself vulnerable to things like identity theft for nothing.
MrAwsome514 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Another comment,this one from 3 days ago..."Until you tell me what information you want I see no reason to pay attention to you at all"
So let me remind you AGAIN..I would like the names of you and your grandfather who alledgedly died on flight 77?.
cartoonplanes 2 weeks ago 3
@cartoonplanes
Let's have YOUR name, anonymous troll.
No?
Why not?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@LifePsyop You forgot to mention he's also a photography expert. He has likely revealed the identity of his so-called grandfather. There should be two people on the list from the same town and one of them should be at least 65 years of age. Addresses could be used to further confirm as they were neighbors. That is if they really exist. I'm convinced he is a shill so I won't spend the time, but in the improbable event someone believes him they can check it out for themselves.
behindmediacurtains 3 weeks ago
@LifePsyop
Let's review the claims of your evil mindless cult:
ALL the air traffic controllers, structural engineers, crash investigators, fire safety experts, metallurgists, seismologists, demolition professionals, coroners, forensic examiners, firefighters, military personnel, eyewitnesses to the plane crashes, etc. are in on it.
In ten years, NOBODY has leaked a word.
These, ladies and gentlemen, are the fantasies of an agenda-driven idiot who is anonymous for good reasons.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck Never made those claims.
And you might want to look up the definitions of compartmentalization, idiot.
LifePsyop 1 week ago
@LifePsyop
Well, that's good news. So you are prepared to acknowledge that the experts your evil, deranged cult routinely accuses of being shills, actors, fakes, etc. might actually know a few things you low-IQ ignoramuses don't know?
Tell us about the video analysts you've managed to con.
Oh, you say you wouldn't dream of facing one?
Tell us what the physicists who wrote about the manner in which the planes entered the towers got wrong.
Oh, you couldn't read their papers?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck LOL, Video analysts? You need an analyst to tell you when something on TV is fake or not? You also seem to base reality on a physicist's paper in which most input data is based off a fake video. What an amazing religion you belong to. What kind of rituals do you practice?
LifePsyop 1 week ago
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@LifePsyop
A genuine video compositing expert Steve Wright gave the ineducable dunce Ace Baker a thorough trouncing when Baker peddled his CGI crapola on a "Hardfire" debate. SHOW US that ALL the amateur videos are fakes.
What are you waiting for? Fame and fortune await.
Care to try again, Ace?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
If the "official" conspiracy theory were true,then there would be absolutely no need for:
Photoshopped pictures of any vicsims..
Fake cgi plane crashes that defy crash physics..
Clearly planted plane parts..
And certainly no need for all these shills to still be here.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@cartoonplanes I have yet to see you post any evidence that these pictures are fake... Have you had any actual experts examin them for evidence of alteration... nope. If the planes where CGI why is it everyone in manhatten seems to state that they saw them? I actually whent to manhatten myself recently and asked several people if they saw them. Very few said no. Ofcourse if you wanted to prove this story you could just go to manhatten and video interview the people there... Why don't you?
MrAwsome514 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 "If the planes were CGI why is it EVERYONE in Manhatten seems to state they saw them"
Have you actually heard EVERYONE in Manhatten state they saw them...oh no,that's right you just admitted you only spoke to several people & not everyone.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 You claim your grandfather died on flight 77 but STILL seem reluctant to show the evidence (maybe for personal reasons)..do you know anyone else who died as a result of 9/11.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@cartoonplanes Haha, now Mister Awesome has gone to Manhattan and found and interviewed multiple 9/11 eyewitnesses! And they all saw a plane! Just gets better and better...
LifePsyop 3 weeks ago
@cartoonplanes Clearly planted plane parts? Where is your evidence? You want to berate me for not posting personal information as proof and then you turn around and make unfounded assertions without showing any evidence with it? The you are both a hypocrit and a fool.
MrAwsome514 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 Regarding planted evidence..how is it possible for a planes engine to slice through 2 sides of the wtc tower and leave no exit hole (my channel background),then drop 700ft gaining momentum as it falls yet leave zero impact damage to the surface below then land where it did without knocking down any of the surrounding scaffolding..and can you prove these particular engines were used on 767's.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago 3
@MrAwsome514 Now,what's happening to this elusive evidence that your grandfather died on flight 77.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 So..after countless attempts by myself & @LifePsyop you still refuse to any proof to your ridiculous claims that your grandfather died on the non-existant flight 77 & to make matters even more ridiculous you even claim your neighbors father died on the flight as well & that your job is as a 767 pilot...
...time to close your account,take a pay cut & start again..MrShill.
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago 4
@cartoonplanes ....still refuse to *give.....and the shills will crucify me for that little typo..ha ha!!
cartoonplanes 3 weeks ago
@MrAwsome514 You are busted, shill. Have anything to say?
LifePsyop 3 weeks ago
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RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@cartoonplanes
There are no "vicims," evil moron.
You cannot persuade a single video analyst that there any planes appearing the various amateur videos are CGIs. The sort of real time compositing you posit is not possible.
The plane crashes did not defy physics. You are too stupid to understand the physics.
No parts were planted in front of hundreds of rescue workers.
You are a liar and an ignorant idiot.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck What you really mean is, you saw the planes on TV, so they must be real, and anyone who questions any official reports from that day is crazy. Yep, got it. Please Drive Thru.
LifePsyop 1 week ago
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@LifePsyop
No, cretin, I mean that tens of thousands of people saw UA 175 crash into the south tower. They watched from their cars as they crossed East River bridges; from their apartment and office windows; from rooftops in Brooklyn Heights; from the streets around Ground Zero.
Air traffic controllers tracked the plane right to the doorstep of the towers. Remains of several passengers and crew members of AA11 and UA175 were found and identified by DNA testing.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck explain how the plane crashes did not defy physics?
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
An object weighing roughly 150 TONS moving at 500 mph will slice right through glass windows and steel perimeter columns, only to be chewed up by the forest of interior columns. I can't explain the physics of the crashes using 500 characters nearly as well as NASA scientist Ryan Mackey explained the subject in his three-part "Hardfire" lecture that I hosted. Try Googling "MAckey on the physics of 9/11." You might--God forbid!--learn something.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck try explaining no decelaration with no bits shrearing off and no explosion until inside the building?
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
Mackey did an excellent job of explaining the physics of the crashes. Either watch his lecture and tell us what the aerospace scientist got wrong or STFU.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck what he got wrong was that a plane cant have 5 different trajectories lol,this just proves your 757's to be fictional blobs.watch september clues to get a glimpse of reality.
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@mphasis1983
Stop wasting everyone's time, idiot. September Clues is a piece of deranged trash that was utterly destroyed, ironically, by Jew-hating twoofer Anthony Lawson. You didn't watch a minute of Mackey's lecture. UA 175 had a very definite flight path. It was tracked right to the towers.
Those "fictional blobs" contained real people who left behind grieving families, you evil moron. Those blobs were seen by tens of thousands of witnesses.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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@RonaldWieck HAHAHAHA!!!! you really are a fool,september clues has no way of being debunked,its facts ffs,tell me how its been debunked lol?why would i watch a any of his lecture when its lies,anyone with a brain knows there were no planes.
"Those "fictional blobs" contained real people who left behind grieving families"
did they,its amazing how the memorial photos have exif data with dates before 911.victims collected before the event = FICTIONAL!!!
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck "Those blobs were seen by tens of thousands of witnesses."
so its not 1000 witnesses anymore its now tens of thousands of witnesses,thats a big leap.i would hardly call an actor or someone from the media a witness lol.there were no real witnesses cause there were no planes.remember 5 different trajectories does not happen lol.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
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@mphasis1983
Sorry, liar, it's always been tens of thousands of wirtnesses. Three of my closest friends saw UA 175 hit the south tower: two from their office windows, and one from the street below. I have spoken with perhaps two dozen other eyewitnesses.
Your ridiculous falsehood about five trajectories is gibberish.
Have you found us a video analyst you can con with your pathetic lies?
WHY NOT?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck HAHA!!! tens of thousands of wirtnesses,they didnt need that many actors and news crews,have a recount of your lieing witnesses.
"Three of my closest friends saw UA 175 hit the south tower:"
im sure they did just as i might while having a ludic dream lol.
"I have spoken with perhaps two dozen other eyewitnesses."
how much were they paid?
"Your ridiculous falsehood about five trajectories is gibberish."
really?watch september clues and rethink that statement.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
Sorry, lying asswipe, three of my closest friends SAW the plane hit the south tower. Their accounts are not on public record. They didn't speak with any media. They just came home and told their friends and spouses.
September Clues is incompetent rubbish cranked out by a fool. There is a reason why you anonymous trolls hide under your beds.
When will you be showing us ONE firefighter listed as having been killed on 9/11 who really didn't die?
Run away, cretin.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck LOL!!! you say 3 of your closest friends SAW the plane yet you call me the lier,is it you or me saying they know people who saw a plane?you decide who the lier is.
"Their accounts are not on public record."
i never said they were i was stating that only actors and the media said they saw planes and also obviously your fake friends.
"September Clues is incompetent rubbish cranked out by a fool."
WRONG!!!september clues is hard evidence of tv fakery,the game is up.
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@mphasis1983
You pathetic asshole, my "fake" friends are people I've known for over thirty years. September Clues was utterly destroyed by the Jew-hating twoofer Anthony Lawson.
When will you find a video analyst you can con with your deranged bullshit?
Are ALL the air traffic controllers who tracked the hijacked planes on radar part of your imaginary conspiracy?
It's long past time to seek psychiatric help, cretin.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck "When will you be showing us ONE firefighter listed as having been killed on 9/11 who really didn't die?"
when will you show us one that did?
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
ALL 343 firefighters listed as having been killed were really killed. Find ONE exception.
YOU are the psycho making the fantastic claim. The onus is on YOU to support it.
When will you make the attempt, scumbag?
Why NEVER?
You can run, but you can't hide, evil moron.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck well done,calling me evil must mean its true.
"ALL 343 firefighters listed as having been killed were really killed."
prove it!!!
"YOU are the psycho making the fantastic claim. The onus is on YOU to support it."
the research has already been done,you are commenting on a video which shows fakery lol.
tell me why we only see the same fucking 50 or so family members out of 3000 victims for fuck sake?i think there would be alot more if that many people had died dont you.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
A liar who makes despicable claims that he can't hope to support and who lacks the balls to confront the people he slanders is evil.
The names and photos of the 343 firefighters who lost their lives on 9/11 are widely available. The funerals went on for months after 9/11.
FIND ONE FAKE!
ONE!
Most family members of 9/11 victims want to stay out of the public eye. The death of a loved one is a private matter.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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@RonaldWieck "A liar who makes despicable claims that he can't hope to support and who lacks the balls to confront the people he slanders is evil."
how can i be evil if the people im ment to be slandering dont exist?
"The names and photos of the 343 firefighters who lost their lives on 9/11 are widely available. The funerals went on for months after 9/11."
why wouldnt the names and photos be available?of course funerals will happen otherwise it will look suspicious.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
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@mphasis1983
SHOW us evidence that even ONE funeral was faked. SHOW us ONE firefighter who didn't exist. Pick a name and photo from among the 343 members of the FDNY killed on 9/11, then find another firefighter who resembles the first one, and get to work. SHOW us that one or both were not real people.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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@RonaldWieck "Pick a name and photo from among the 343 members of the FDNY killed on 9/11, then find another firefighter who resembles the first one"
once again watch the link i gave you to awnser your silly question.how can they be real when they look the same and are not related lol.the perps got lazy,obviously faking 3000 people is very tedious so they made only minor changes to some.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@RonaldWieck "Most family members of 9/11 victims want to stay out of the public eye. The death of a loved one is a private matter."
good explanation of why we see the same actors all the time lol.
"Do you think they're still alive?"
NO LOL,THEY NEVER EXISTED!!!
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
You brain-damaged cretin, you;re pretending that my friend is talking about IMAGINARY people??? How do you demented scumbags manage to feed yourselves? The names of EVERYONE who died at Cantor Fitzgerald are available. FIND US A FAKE, liar.
You the dumbest piece of human excrement I've ever had the pleasure to trash.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck just because the names are available with photos doesnt mean the victims are real you moron,they are morphed,photoshoped and have fake names ffs.why is your mind so limited?
mphasis1983 1 week ago
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@mphasis1983
You are claiming that my friend mourned the loss of people who didn't exist. You are a very demented ghoul. It is time to put up or crawl away on your belly.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
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@RonaldWieck "You are claiming that my friend mourned the loss of people who didn't exist"
no im claiming your friend didnt mourn at all.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
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@mphasis1983
Maybe you'd care to tell him to his face?
ROTFLMAO
RonaldWieck 5 days ago
@mphasis1983
Another good friend of mine knew several people at Cantor Fitzgerald who were killed. He used to play cards with them, go to ballgames, and visit one another. He asks idiots like you where those missing friends are. Do you think they're still alive?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck Oh yes, Ron. I'm sure you and the boys at Cantor Fitzgerald are very tight.
LifePsyop 1 week ago
@LifePsyop
Gee, Ace, maybe I work in finance?
No, I sure don't.
Maybe Fitzgerald is a good Jewish name?
You're dumb as dirt, but possibly even you see the problem here.
Oh, wait--everyone killed at Cantor Fitzgerald was a Joooo.
Nope, wrong again.
Seek psychiatric help, moron.
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck ive got 2 FAKES right here at 3:49 in this vid and thats just 2,
watch?v=KNwAxJ92vlE&feature=channel
they are morphs of each other simple as,look how similar they are and they are not related.
mphasis1983 1 week ago
@mphasis1983
The link doesn't work. Stop prancing and dancing and DO something. The FDNY lost 343 men; 658 employees at Cantor Fitzgerald were killed; 614 in WTC 2 died. The names are easy to find.
SHOW US ONE FAKE.
Here's how it's done. You do your investigative work and show us your proof that Joe Blow, listed as dead, really didn't die at all.
WHEN WILL YOU GET STARTED?
RonaldWieck 1 week ago
@RonaldWieck LOL!!! o