@ofreshartist2 Again, you cannot say what ought or ought not be, only describe what happens. You cannot PREscribe, but only DEscribe. There can be no such thing as evil or good from an atheistic starting point.
@ofreshartist2 Repeating yourself does not justify your assertion. Even if i granted your faulty understanding of what "responsible" is, so what if God were responsible. You can lay forth no moral imperative ought.
@ofreshartist2 You are misunderstanding some of these (not enough room here to lay out), but some of them you are representing accurately. The Jewish theocracy was strict, but they all knew the consequences and therefore refrained from those infractions. Some could argue that going to jail for having a bag of weed on you is draconian because you should be able to put in your body whatever you want, but the law still remains, and you know if you do it, you take a risk.
@1tmoch You still cannot call anything immoral. So, asking my opinion as to whether i think such and such is acceptable is pointless and irrelevant. Also, since you continue to say things revealing your ignorance of the bible, even after explained, and since you continue to not answer my questions/objections, you are blocked.
@ofreshartist2 I already explained this. Yes, God wanted 911 to happen, but He is not accountable to anyone for it. The people doing the evil are still doing it. The fact that you don't like it or think it is inconsistent with a good character is irrelevant. Read Romans 9 piece of clay.
@ofreshartist2 This just shows your laziness and thus ignorance of scripture. Read apologeticspress(dot)org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=1273 Again, with your claims to something being evil or wrong, you cannot do from a relativistic platform. Universal absolutes or abstractions cannot exist for an atheist. There is no such thing as a "mental issue." You said God would be responsible if He ordained something. Responsible or accountable to who? The person doing the evil is still doing it.
@ofreshartist2 You are right about the fact that those who go to hell, God wants them to go. God requires it because He wants it. Would you expect any less that you get exactly what you want if you are God? God used animal sacrifice as a pre-figure to the ultimate sacrifice of the God man. God condemns human sacrifice. Actually sir, you are illogical, not the bible. You are guilty of a categorical error. God kills EVERY human with however they die. He is in control of that.
@1tmoch God's rules that He sets for humans, don't necessarily apply to Him. God ordained the evil act of Jesus's murder, but He was not the agent who performed it, and is not held accountable to anyone for anything. You might think all of this makes God to be a prick or evil, but then again, it really doesn't matter what you think, and you have zero basis for justification to any declarations or wrong or right.
@ofreshartist2 God embodied flesh to provide a PERFECT blood sacrifice in order to satisfy justice that would only otherwise be satisfied by sinners going to hell. Explain in detail the logical problem.
@ofreshartist2 God chose to require something for justice to be met, and He made the bar so high, that only He could fulfill that. How is this not logical?
@mgp13 If you had any "critical thinking 101" abilities, you'd have not made your ignorant comment. Saying "it's not that i'm smart is not the same as stating "i am not smart." It is pointing to a more central reason for why certain worldviews are so easy for me to destroy. A smart guy and a not so smart guy can both destroy insanely stupid ideas that i exposed. So that statement you quoted, focuses not on me and my abilities, but on it and its utter ridiculousness and bankrupt nature.
amazing critical thinking 101 yet so many religious people don't apply this to their own bible. Never using the exact same arguments they use against other religions applied to their own.
One of the best ways i've found of getting xtians to see why they're just being ridiculously wrong is by asking them why they don't believe in islam and then comparing it to their own reasons for why xtianity is right
@StargateMunky Not this Christian. I know why Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, etc are wrong and why biblical Christianity is a reflection of reality.
@StargateMunky Not much different than you talking (you supposedly being a product of that same evolutionary process). Also, the bible says serpent, not snake, so we don't know exactly what kind of creature it was, or if it was even physical. It could have been an apparition of a serpent, who happened to be satan, who is way smarter than us humans. Heck, parrots talk and they have no lips. You are just a dumb atheist showing his bias against scripture, all the while believing in absurdities.
at 6:30 you do realize math is made up by the human mind to solve problems. if the math your doing has no practical value (the analogy to religion) then 4+4=44 is just as good as 4+4=8.
@1aaronaaron1 So truth is not truth, simply because the human mind perceives it, or simply because it goes through the filter of the human mind? If this is so, then you your whole assessment is now on its own grounds equally dismissable and worthless. In fact all of language and communication goes bye bye, and there is no such thing as truth, including this supposed truth claim. This is where your sort of thinking leads. The fact remains that 4 items added to 4 items is 8, not 44, symbols or no.
@1aaronaaron1 I'm not saying the numerals are physical entities. If this is how you think, be consistent, and don't write anything back, because after all, its just symbols which are practical for what? Ah, they relay truth, for if not, then your word "practical" is not practical or anything else, and nothing can be said period, let alone for the strings of words you put together here. Shall i give you more rope to hang yourself with, or do you have enough rope with you? No offense intended.
@1tmoch your not addressing at all what i said. go back and listen to the part around 6:30 then read my comment again and maybe it will make more sense.
@1tmoch well, the first 36 seconds of this is complete nonsense. but at :37 when you make an idiotic comment that "atheists should not care about religion" instantly drains your credibility. there would not be a single atheist if there wasn't a claim for theism. people who do not believe in the claims of the religious have an initial concern with religion. how is that hard to understand?
when we discuss about something, we need to clarify the terminology used to avoid any confusion... imho, to human being, truth is factual and logical... what is definition of truth according to you?
@prober0101 What is "imho"? What is truth you ask. Simply put, that which is true. "According to me" is irrelevant. Truth exists apart from me perceiving it or knowing it. We can discover truth in many ways however, like experience (empiricism), reason/logical analysis, memory, intuitive awareness, truth by authority, etc.
@ofreshartist2 Again, you cannot say what ought or ought not be, only describe what happens. You cannot PREscribe, but only DEscribe. There can be no such thing as evil or good from an atheistic starting point.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 Repeating yourself does not justify your assertion. Even if i granted your faulty understanding of what "responsible" is, so what if God were responsible. You can lay forth no moral imperative ought.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 You are misunderstanding some of these (not enough room here to lay out), but some of them you are representing accurately. The Jewish theocracy was strict, but they all knew the consequences and therefore refrained from those infractions. Some could argue that going to jail for having a bag of weed on you is draconian because you should be able to put in your body whatever you want, but the law still remains, and you know if you do it, you take a risk.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@1tmoch You still cannot call anything immoral. So, asking my opinion as to whether i think such and such is acceptable is pointless and irrelevant. Also, since you continue to say things revealing your ignorance of the bible, even after explained, and since you continue to not answer my questions/objections, you are blocked.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 I already explained this. Yes, God wanted 911 to happen, but He is not accountable to anyone for it. The people doing the evil are still doing it. The fact that you don't like it or think it is inconsistent with a good character is irrelevant. Read Romans 9 piece of clay.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 This just shows your laziness and thus ignorance of scripture. Read apologeticspress(dot)org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=1273 Again, with your claims to something being evil or wrong, you cannot do from a relativistic platform. Universal absolutes or abstractions cannot exist for an atheist. There is no such thing as a "mental issue." You said God would be responsible if He ordained something. Responsible or accountable to who? The person doing the evil is still doing it.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 You are right about the fact that those who go to hell, God wants them to go. God requires it because He wants it. Would you expect any less that you get exactly what you want if you are God? God used animal sacrifice as a pre-figure to the ultimate sacrifice of the God man. God condemns human sacrifice. Actually sir, you are illogical, not the bible. You are guilty of a categorical error. God kills EVERY human with however they die. He is in control of that.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@1tmoch God's rules that He sets for humans, don't necessarily apply to Him. God ordained the evil act of Jesus's murder, but He was not the agent who performed it, and is not held accountable to anyone for anything. You might think all of this makes God to be a prick or evil, but then again, it really doesn't matter what you think, and you have zero basis for justification to any declarations or wrong or right.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 God embodied flesh to provide a PERFECT blood sacrifice in order to satisfy justice that would only otherwise be satisfied by sinners going to hell. Explain in detail the logical problem.
1tmoch 4 months ago
@ofreshartist2 God chose to require something for justice to be met, and He made the bar so high, that only He could fulfill that. How is this not logical?
1tmoch 4 months ago
You said, "It's not that I'm smart"......exactly
mgp13 10 months ago
@mgp13 If you had any "critical thinking 101" abilities, you'd have not made your ignorant comment. Saying "it's not that i'm smart is not the same as stating "i am not smart." It is pointing to a more central reason for why certain worldviews are so easy for me to destroy. A smart guy and a not so smart guy can both destroy insanely stupid ideas that i exposed. So that statement you quoted, focuses not on me and my abilities, but on it and its utter ridiculousness and bankrupt nature.
1tmoch 10 months ago
amazing critical thinking 101 yet so many religious people don't apply this to their own bible. Never using the exact same arguments they use against other religions applied to their own.
One of the best ways i've found of getting xtians to see why they're just being ridiculously wrong is by asking them why they don't believe in islam and then comparing it to their own reasons for why xtianity is right
StargateMunky 1 year ago
@StargateMunky Not this Christian. I know why Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, etc are wrong and why biblical Christianity is a reflection of reality.
1tmoch 1 year ago
@1tmoch yup those talking snakes are a great source of reality.
StargateMunky 1 year ago
@StargateMunky Not much different than you talking (you supposedly being a product of that same evolutionary process). Also, the bible says serpent, not snake, so we don't know exactly what kind of creature it was, or if it was even physical. It could have been an apparition of a serpent, who happened to be satan, who is way smarter than us humans. Heck, parrots talk and they have no lips. You are just a dumb atheist showing his bias against scripture, all the while believing in absurdities.
1tmoch 1 year ago
at 6:30 you do realize math is made up by the human mind to solve problems. if the math your doing has no practical value (the analogy to religion) then 4+4=44 is just as good as 4+4=8.
1aaronaaron1 1 year ago
@1aaronaaron1 So truth is not truth, simply because the human mind perceives it, or simply because it goes through the filter of the human mind? If this is so, then you your whole assessment is now on its own grounds equally dismissable and worthless. In fact all of language and communication goes bye bye, and there is no such thing as truth, including this supposed truth claim. This is where your sort of thinking leads. The fact remains that 4 items added to 4 items is 8, not 44, symbols or no.
1tmoch 1 year ago
@1tmoch 4 items adding to 4 items making 8 is a practical application...
1aaronaaron1 1 year ago
@1aaronaaron1 I'm not saying the numerals are physical entities. If this is how you think, be consistent, and don't write anything back, because after all, its just symbols which are practical for what? Ah, they relay truth, for if not, then your word "practical" is not practical or anything else, and nothing can be said period, let alone for the strings of words you put together here. Shall i give you more rope to hang yourself with, or do you have enough rope with you? No offense intended.
1tmoch 1 year ago
@1tmoch your not addressing at all what i said. go back and listen to the part around 6:30 then read my comment again and maybe it will make more sense.
1aaronaaron1 1 year ago
@1tmoch everything you said before the 4 items part i agree with.
1aaronaaron1 1 year ago
subbed.
toolegit2quittttt 1 year ago
@toolegit2quittttt Explain how...
1tmoch 1 year ago
@1tmoch well, the first 36 seconds of this is complete nonsense. but at :37 when you make an idiotic comment that "atheists should not care about religion" instantly drains your credibility. there would not be a single atheist if there wasn't a claim for theism. people who do not believe in the claims of the religious have an initial concern with religion. how is that hard to understand?
toolegit2quittttt 1 year ago
@toolegit2quittttt well that depends on who you are talking to. And why would you throw the baby out with the bathwater for the rest of the video?
1tmoch 1 year ago
when we discuss about something, we need to clarify the terminology used to avoid any confusion... imho, to human being, truth is factual and logical... what is definition of truth according to you?
prober0101 1 year ago
@prober0101 What is "imho"? What is truth you ask. Simply put, that which is true. "According to me" is irrelevant. Truth exists apart from me perceiving it or knowing it. We can discover truth in many ways however, like experience (empiricism), reason/logical analysis, memory, intuitive awareness, truth by authority, etc.
1tmoch 1 year ago