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  • if i was using .50 round ball and lubed patch would it put on the ball around around it as i load into the rifle

  • @lest128 I don't understand your question. please rephrase.

  • @Tapps47 if i use a prelubed patch like wat they used in civil war, would i put it on the ball like ontop of it as i push it down the barrel

  • @lest128 if i use a patch that civil war soldiers use would i add it after i put ball barrow and push it down with the round ball

  • @lest128 as far i i know they didn;t use a patch in the civil war. each soldier was given an ammo pouch. in it were pre-measured paper cartridges. These were used by tearing the pullet off with your teeth and pouring the black powder down the barrel. Throwing the empty paper cartridge away, putting the bullet in, ramming it home and bringing the gun to half cock where a musket cap would be placed. The rifle would then be ready to fire.

  • @Tapps47

    My understanding is they used a paper cartridge with whats called a minnie ball in it. A minnie is a conical bullet with a hollow base. It drops semi-loosely down the bore but when the weapon fires the skirt (hollow base) expands into the rifling. Superior loading speed, and superior effective range over round ball.

  • @Adui13 exactly. I would of wrote that but comment space is limited. :)

  • @lest128 u kno how military/malitia with low money used ripped cloth plug the barrel so it may fire than to be a dud

  • Fun to shoot pain to clean

  • @xD1STURBED1x well with the water technique i showed in the video its reasonable. Some people have to buy every gadget. making the cleaning way harder than it has to be.

  • I'm thinking of ordering this same mold do u use a wad please let me know

  • @phillipj1978 no wadding is nessesary with a R.E.A.L. bullet, in the video i didn't use one.

  • where did you get the barrel

  • @paintsofter1 I mentioned in the video that the barrel came from a BobCat 50 Cal CVA black powder rifle. The Stock is from traditions Deer Slayer . I switched the two because the traditions barrel uses a smaller bullet than the CVA does. I wanted to use my Lee R.E.A.L. bullet with the Gun and could not with the traditions barrel.

  • @Tapps47 where do you get the bullets

  • @paintsofter1 They are home cast. the mold comes from Lee. its called a R.E.A.L bullet mold. it mean Rifle Engraved At Loading...... I didn't make that up either :)

  • where did you get the rifle part i love that stock but i can get another

  • good video, accurate info,

    ...but what exactly was it that you de-bunked?

  • @Marcucco it was a play on words. we meant it as "explaining in detail the 50 cal".

  • Lee makes those bullet molds and they are great, you made a good choice

  • @gsgoble thanks, I have always liked Lee for black powder molds. They wil also custum make a mold for you for a little more to whatever specifications you need.

  • Nice vid!

  • @Alberad08 thanks

  • Alright, you are probably almost twice as old as me with twice as much hair. Embrace it...good or bad! LOL@

  • @mlke4258 LOL

  • I can see from the video, it was very windy also. Take credit where it was do, you shot very well!

  • @gsbacorn :) but thanks.

  • im hoping to buy a .50 cal pedersoli rifle, but the only ammo i can find for it are .490 balls, is that good enough, will the heat of the black powder make it expand and grip the rilfing enough?

  • @KiwiTomCrawford You must use a lubed patch around the ball or it will not grip the rifling.

  • I use water also, but I use the technique I learned 40 years ago. I remove the barrel, the nipple and screw, fill a jug, or pot with hot water, and put the breech end into the water. I put a rag wrapped cleaning jag into the barrel. Pushing in and pulling out makes it into a hydraulic ram pushing and pulling hot water througe the barrel. Easy, quick, and clean. Barrel gets hot, and drys the water left behind. Clean the nipple and screw hole with a pipe cleaner. Oil it and store it. Easy as pie.

  • Again very cool video. A few years ago I bought myself a CVA Optima Magnum for my birthday, and its become my favorite deer gun over here in pennsylvania. I shoot the triple 7 pellets and the hollow point Power Belts (245 grain). I've dropped deer in their tracks on multiple occasions well out past 200 yards. CVA makes a great gun. For fun I took my dads flint out this year. Managed a doe, which was pretty sweet. Cool demo and video, keep up the good work.

  • i have musket caps but i dont have the nipple that fits it...i just bought mine Knight Muzzle Loader off of a friend of my dads and i was wandering could i get a musket nipple at just about any sporting store such as gander mnt., dicks, or dunhams sports

  • Nice vid. Thanks for sharing.

    You definately have your methods, which seem to work for ya;)

    Cheers

  • thanks for the great tips are you useing real black powder or triple 7?i am new with black powder so i have been useing triple 7 and getting good results with it and it seems to be very easy too clean i am haveing a hard time finding a musket nipple for my cva can you help me my loco gun shop seems like it is too much work for them thanks cory

  • @cory8791 I know nothing about T7 except that it is a replacement powder. Personally, i prefer pyrodex over real black powder.

    As for a nipple, you might contact dixie gun works or CVA. other than that i have no idea where to get one from. I bought mine from a local store.

  • the mold is made by lee

  • @camerl2009 is that a question or just a comment?

  • @Tapps47 comment

  • Nice video. I use the old fashioned way. Heat water in a pot. Take the barrel off the stock and put the nipple end of the barrel into the water. Cycle a rag on the cleaning rod up and down in the barrel to suck, and push water through it. The barrel gets hot so use gloves. The hot water disolves the powder residue, and the hot barrel evaporates any left over water. Stand barrel muzzle down to cool. After cooling replace stock. I use a very light coat of Rem Oil in the bore. Both our ways work.

  • Very nice video Darr 5*

    I have 3 question's for you # 1 After the patches from the barrel come out clean and dry. What do you use to keep the inside of the barrel from rusting?

    # 2 What kind of oil are you using on the bolster screw and nipple thread's?

    # 3 Has the wire cleaning brush caused any damage to the land's and grooves inside of the barrel? Which would change the R.E.A.L bullet's point of impact at 40 yard's.

  • I don't use any oil in the barrel. in not doing so, I save the hassle of removing it before i shoot. My barrel doesn't get rusty as the hot water heats the metal and drys the barrel.

    The oil I use on the bolster is a light oil or 10w40 motor oil. Be sure not to get it inside the bolster or you will get a dead charge or hang fire.

    A bronze brush will not hurt the lands or groves in the barrel the metal is not that soft. A stainless brush can scratch the barrel metal as stainless is harder.

  • Thank you

  • Thompson Center, In my opinion make the best muzzle loaders.  Ive shot CVA and traditions and Knight and prefer my TC. :) Anyhow, I love muzzle loading and any muzzle loader is better than no muzzleloader. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.

  • TC has always made a very nice BP rifle. my choice for going with the CVA was based on price. TC had the better quality. nicer stock, better bluing, better locks and bolster. But for the the TC was more than twice the cost of the CVA.

    As i had a CVA years before i bought this one, i already had experience with it. The CVA shot and cleaned up well. But TC is a fine weapon if you can afford one.

  • Made a misstake. I shot my uncle muzzle loader. WAS HOOK.. I was lucky to get one from my wife for Christmas. CVA Put a scope on it. LOVE IT.

  • I just bought my first muzzle loader. I got a CVA Bobcat 50 cal with composite stock at a gun show for $40.00. Not too bad a deal. I had it checked by a gun shop owner before I bought it. The barrel was oiled for storage and it has Williams sights.

  • It sounds like you go your self a great deal. My .50 is also based on the bob-cat CVA rifle. mine has a 1-48 rate of twist. (actually I think they all do.)

    the twist is great because its not to fast for a round ball but fast enough to stabilize a conial type bullet.

  • that's a good deal, those sights alone are almost worth it. :)

  • you think like a 150$ walmart blackpowder gun is a good buy i dont know much at all and they look realy fun i want to buy one mabye for christmas and shoot it then go hunting next year although kinda sad its already blackpowder hunting season for deer here in oklahoma started yesterday

  • I don't know, i prefer CVA in BP rifles. I avoid the Traditions brand rifles as their bores are tighter than standard. they make it so you must either shoot round balls or thier own expensive ammo in them.

    Thier rifle twists are high too, i like around a 1-48 twist works good for RBs and conial bullets.

  • is the black powder caps and ammo hard to find for black powder guns??? just wondering

  • I have no idea. Any good sportmans place should carry them. It varies from place to place. So i can't say specific yes or no for your area.

    I also don't know where you live :)

  • oklahoma

  • I ahve no idea about Oklahoma. But i am sure if there are any really big Sportmans places there. That would be your best bet.

  • yeah hopefully we got academy here. so thats probly a good spot

  • Does a tire give you good support?

  • Truth is the ones we uses are not big enough, the middle makes me wobble a bit. So i'd ahve to say no on smaller truck and car tires. A monster tire or two would be ideal in my opinion.

  • NiCe

  • Thank you for the sharing the video. We just ordered our 1st blackpowder rile, so I'm trying to learn. Your video gives me confidence that I can learn to shoot this rifle.

  • one thing you should always do BEFORE firing a new rifle is clean the oil completely from the barrel. If you fail to do this it will cause a dead charge (pain in the butt) or hangfires.

    If you need any help please feel free to ask. Your welcome for the video.

  • do you need a license to own one of these?

  • in most states you don't need to... it depends on your state you live in.

  • @rdallen80

    Make sure you always seat the bullet all the way down on the powder charge , otherwise you may have a pipe bomb on your hands.

  • nice video, helped me out alot, but i have a question...if im using the 50 grain pyrodex pellets in my T/C New englander, should i just put one pellet, or two to make it 100 grains?

  • Thanks, to be honest, I do not know anything about the pellets and how they work. I have heard things about them but I admit I am an old school BP shooter.

    I don't see much advantage to the pellets except ease of use.

    and try breaking the pellet down for different loads. its not easy. so thats why I don't use them. loose powder i can measure, pellets I just don't know.

  • thanks alot man, i think im juss gonna get the measurer and go with the loose powder

  • @guitarhero30

    Thats why using the pellets are no good, you either get 50 or 100 grain.. and its hard to "work up a load " for accuracy. Every gun likes its own pet load and you need to find out how many grains,what type of powder like for example 2f or 3 f . What thickness of patch , lubricant .

    I too am an old school shooter for just about 30 years shooting black powder and its extremely fun.

  • Hi I need help loading, I will be loading .410 black powder shells by my uncles request, they are 3" shells and the slugs weigh 7.5 grams. How mutch powder should I put in for a good strong load?

  • I am sorry but I do not give out advice on hand loading. What you are doing seems dangerous.

  • Check with the maker of the shotgun. Guessing gives bad results or worse.

  • Get a manual start at the lowest charge and work up. Shotgun are much more fickle about there loads then rifles.

  • its cool, but whats the point? is there a distinct advantage over a standard rifle?

  • there are several advantages.

    1) they are cheap to shoot for the size of caliber.

    2) they are powerful because of the heavy bullts.

    3) they force you to be a better shot because you only get one shot before reloading.

    4) You can adjust the load without having to own any handload ing equipment.

    5) in many states there is no registration needed.

    The real reason people shoot them is that they are just fun. For me it reminds me of how settlers lived and those whom fought in the civil war.

  • Very nice vid. Ever drop any parts down the sink?

  • no never had. i am pretty careful. but good point.

  • It's not really a hoge poge CVA & Traditions are just importers.' Their' guns are made by the same Spanish manufacturer.

  • the only thing that is imported is their barrels. the rest is made in the USA.

  • I can only tell you that I worked in an only Black power gun shop in Socal (they're weren't many perhaps 3) from '89 to '96 & the CVA guns both kit & built were marked 'made in Spain' Traditions too.They were considered inferior to both TC/Investarms 'Lyman'/Italian guns.Mainly because they didn't have a patent breach & because of the beech rather than walnut stock. I didn't know any part of them were USA made. Are you sure?They good guns but not TC/Italian quality ,but they cost less too.

  • the kits come from spain as well as the barrels. But the guns that are already put together in the USA in Connecticut. traditions are made next door and are not as good a quality as CVA. i also recall a test book i seen on the safety of CVAs in the 70. I was impressed that they could not get the CVAs to explode by tampering.

  • thats a badass gun.. and tattoo

  • Thanks.

  • Thanks for the info, I just recently found a .50 cal black powder rifle that belonged to my grandfather..i own some bolt action rifles, and a handgun, but never shot a muzzle loader before and really had no idea how to. I am going to have to take it to a local gunsmith first to make sure it is in firing condition, but good video it was very helpful.

  • You are welcome. It is always a good idea to have any gun checked that is used condition before firing.

    Please take the time to rate all my other videos 5 stars as a favor. thanks

  • I mention this in the "1858 remington replica" video I made in the comments section. I ahve been thinking about a fix for some time. but if you read the comments there i do propose a temporary solution. please take a look at the video do a search under "TAPPS47".

  • windy much?

  • Yes, just like today :)

  • VERY true. I love watching the smoke move away during a light rain.

  • Thankyou very much for the video.

    David

  • What is up with the tattoos on your hands? I saw you in another video with an 1858 Remington. You have on gloves I initially thought was for shooting until I saw the tattoos. As for your bad hair day, at least you have hair. I do not, but apparently that is a plus since my wife loves the Bruce Willis look. That looks like Oklahoma there where you are at. Nice videos, by the way.

  • the gloves were for shooting. I don't always where them. :) Nope its not Oklahoma. your welcome for the videos

  • Hey man, thanks for this video. I'm new to muzzleloading and found it quite helpful.

  • your welcome. I am glad i could help. if you need anything else, let me know.

  • hows the recoil?

  • Recaoil is dependant on the shooter. what might be easy recoil to me might be heavy to someone else.

    I find because of the rifles weight that it is meduim at best and like shooting a modern 30-30 with heavy bullets.

  • for the most part black powder recoil is minimal, but like tapps47 said it depends on the shooter, but if you've shot a shotgun you'll think you were shootin a pellet gun

    that's just my exp. i have only shot a couple black powder rifles tho.

  • I would say that the recoil on my 12 gauge vs my .50 cal Hawkins is just different. The 12 gauge recoil feels like an impact. The 50 cal recoil is stronger but slower. With the 50 cal you can also change up your charge. I'll run anything from 50 grains to 120 grains of powder. Obviously that makes a big difference in the recoil.

  • Where are you shooting? It looks like a nice range. Is it your land? Cool video.

  • The land belongs to a good freind.

  • The cleaning is much harder than on mine. I have a Hawkins with the hooked breach. I just remove the barrel, put the breach end into a soup can of hot water& dish soap and then run a cloth and jab up and down the muzzle, drawing hot water/soap up and down with it. Its pretty low mess and quick. I always wondered how you do it when you can't remove the barrel.

  • ys, i hve heard of doing what you suggest. The barrel will remove on my gun. I choose to clean in the method in the video to prevent rust and be sure it is cleaned.

  • I am not suggesting that your method is not flawed in any way.

  • How do you like the Pyrodex? I stopped using it a couple of years ago and now I only use real powder in all my muzzleloaders. The real powder seems more accurate and fires better. However, it is dirtier.

  • I like the pyrodex. Real BP has a side effect that i do not like. it can be more dangerous if you load quickly. load,shoot.load,shoot. Embers can be in the barrel with real BP that you don't have using pyrodex.

    Real BP is dirtier. I agree also.

  • Yea, but you don't get the smell from Pyrodex. :) Also, they don't make Pyrodex for flintlocks. You can try using it but you'll get a lot of mis-fires due to the high flash point.

  • I don't have any flintlocks. :) so using pyrodex works for me. As for the smell, it smells enough like black powder when it burns. :)

  • DO YOU USE BORE BUTTER

  • No. I use no lube on bullets at all. I stopped years ago and find it easier to clean the BP gun. Some would say, I am crazy and they have no problem but truth is. most have never tried it for any length of time to check the difference.

  • I don't use butter either on my rifles. I do on my revolvers though, however I don't use patches on the pisols/revolvers. On the rifle you can run a cleaning patch for every shot or to so you can keep the barrel pretty loose.

  • How did you take it down from 80 grains to 60 if the bullets in there already? I don't know much about muzzleloaders, but it's the only gun my dad will let me have in the house hehehe.

  • Before I fired the rifle on camera I fired a test shots. Decided 80 grains was a bit to much for demonstration puposes.

    My rifle will hold 110 grains max. With Black Powder you learn to load what you need to shoot acurately. Its a choice between power and acuracy.

    Putting max loads down the barrel is a waste of black powder and causes the gun to fowl faster. Hope that helps. :)

  • Great Video, I just got a used T/C 50 cal.

    This is my first muzzleloader. I wasn't sure of how to clean it. I am used to my other rifles and handguns cleaning with solvent. I didn't know you could use water.

    Thanks for sharing.

  • Be sure that if you clean with hot water, you dry it out thoroughly or the gun will rust.

    I am glad you liked the video. TCs are good BP guns.

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