Congressmen Ron Paul & Anthony Weiner On Massachusetts Election Results

[nikolayzou]

No you can say it, Governments are very bad when they interfere with the free market. If you care for poor people and want to give them best health care, you must support a system that is financially viable, and Government health care is not. Listen to Ron Paul, he knows what he is talking about, he is a doctor of medicine and he has also studied sound economics.

[moartoad]

Paul/Weiner 2012

Weiner/Paul 2016

[OutbackAL]

Weiner reminds me of Beavis! (& Butthead)



[TheInsanetoker420]

I like Ron Paul alot but hes wrong here. Anthony is dead on here saying The free market cant solve the health care problem. Every other Western democracy in the world provides health care to it citizens except us. Every American deserves quality affordable Health insurance and the free markets not going to do that.

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 of course the private sector can do a better job of providing health care than the government. anyone can do a better job than the government, just look at the 30+trillion dollar unfunded liability pertaining to medicare. why is it that private businesses, who dont get to tax people, are still in business, whereas the government, who gets to tax AND print money still cant account for $30 trillion? if they were a private business they'd have filed for bankruptcy a long time ago

[TheInsanetoker420]

@guidobambino The fact is it is more profitable to not pay for someones claim. Therefore there must be some governement intervention here. The free market will never cover everyone. Idk exactly how to go about it but other countries spend less than us per person yet everyone is covered. Why is that? obvisiouly something is wrong with our system

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 well, first of all, if you contract to receive insurance and a calamity occurs and the company refuses to pay up, then you have the right to take them to court. in fact, Ron Paul argues here that the government SHOULD enforce those contracts, otherwise the consumer could be cheated. i would have to see the statistics and full facts about other countries, but i can tell you i would rather pay more for the better health care i receive in this country -- which isnt saying much

[TheInsanetoker420]

@guidobambino in fact weiner says it. The free market will never solve the problem because they wont cover sick people. Its more profitibale to not cover sick people. Something need to be done. Its a simple as that.

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 (cont) considering the horrendous barriers to entry for doctors and small technology companies set up by the federal government.

my question to you is -- what do you mean "cover sick people?" do you mean that if i get sick an insurance company HAS to accept me? that defeats the whole purpose of insurance. the purpose of insurance is to spread natural risk among a large number of individuals. im an actuary, so i can go on all day about fair insurance pricing, but let me pose

[TheInsanetoker420]

@guidobambino Check out the documentarty frontline sick around the world. Its a myth that our healthcare is of any better quality than those around the world infact its quite the opposite. The insurers have people who look for reasons to not accept your claim for the smallest reason. No one in the richest country in the world should have to choose between living and bankruptcy.

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 i started watching it..it seems so slanted though. i love how the narrator says "no medical bills...sounds good to me!" this is why public broadcasting is a sham. but thats a different conversation. stossel did a number of series' on medical care, here's one of them that shows the real state of medical care in around the world watch?v=sXJgkvF19QA

also, you have to answer my question -- would u still sign up for gov run health care if ppl were given the choice to opt out?

[TheInsanetoker420]

@guidobambino well id have to say yes i would submit to some form of reasonable public option. You got to watch the whole thing man he talks about the negatives too. The wait times on surguery and how many systems are under funded.

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 well..i cant argue with your choice. all i can say is ive had a great experience with medical care in this country, absent 1) emergency rooms, which are horrendous here in NY bcz the government makes sure anyone can go for free, and so TONS of people come for nonsense issues and 2) the cost of medical services, since medicare and medicaid provide incentive for patients to abuse services that they don't need/would be charged more for. thats why you look at things like

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 (cont2) this question -- suppose the federal government just decided to let people choose not to pay taxes towards medicare, yet receive none of the benefits (i.e. "opt out"). now, suppose they say that sick people wont get turned away and won't be charged higher rates than others. would you still want to choose them as your insurer? in that system, the only way to stay profitable is to compensate the artificially lower rates on the sick with artificially higher rates on you

[TheInsanetoker420]

@guidobambino BTW dont use John Stossel to present an unbiased argument. lol.

[guidobambino]

@TheInsanetoker420 contact lenses, lasik eye surgery, and cosmetic surgery -- all areas where the government isn't involved, and costs are low while quality improves dramatically. id rather have the mechanism driving lasik eye surgery (i.e. the free market) operating on health care than the mechanism driving emergency rooms (government run)

[pattilab8338]

maybe the private sector companies should take better care of there employees. Instead of government workers being bumped down to unsatisfactory employment benefits.

[METALMAN4Wii]

2:08 Anthony is Plotting Something this is going to be Great Kick There Ass's Weiner....!

[cobrompton]

I think Paul was treading lightly around Weiner. He knows he can't dance with that guy.

[METALMAN4Wii]

@cobrompton Dam Straight Weiner's Power Level Is Over 9000....!

[rhcprh]

@cobrompton Um no. Dr. Paul is a veteran economist and doctor. He would destroy Weiner in any debate especially over this video's topic any day

[ekras01]

I like them both. And I like the way they didn't try to interrupt or talk over each other.

[tibbus28]

Ron Paul 2012

[tmmy000]

I swear Congressman Paul is the most intelligent member of congress.

[TheUnknownFactor]

I very much enjoy Ron Paul, despite disagreeing with him on a number of topics, but this was a reasonably even-sided discussion- although really far too short.Anthony made a good point that the healthcare sector would much rather just cover the healthy and that government is apparantly doing a pretty good job (with hard numbers to back him up)- and Ron Paul makes a good point that it's simply costing a lot of money that currently isn't widely available.

[igogosh]

Good comparison with phone service, now everyone can have it

[link48010]

I think Paul and Weiner are two of the best congressmen that we have, even though they both think opposite on many things. They are both strong in what they believe, but are not stupid and spread lies. They both are willing to compromise to get legislation that gives us, quoting Lewis Black, "SOME FUCKING DIRECTION!"

[ekras01]

@link48010 Amen to that!!!

[Maserati7200]

@link48010 I agree. Weiner was my congressman (I live in the NY 9th congressional district).

[elfil76]

Only Republican I like.

[jonathanhankin]

Ron Paul likes to sniff monkey farts.

[gilgamesh1962]

Out of all the Politicians on both sides, these two guys are the ones I like the best, yes they may have a few differences in what they believe the best solution is, but they are the only two that really seem to care whats best for the people. plus I believe Ron is still truly a Libertarian at heart. two great guys that really are different.

[quantass]

Anthony Weiner is BRILLIANT! The true fighter for the People!

[thisisbunk]

@quantass - if only he didn't grandstand and backup his passionate fire with facts.

[loki1830]

@quantass weiner true politician. What a fraud

[LoneTinaja]

I believe that the primary reason Ron Paul opposes much of the federal aid to congressional districts is because there are virtually no federal installations in his Texas district that provide jobs. If there were, such as one of the armed forces installations subject to BRAC, if he didn't fight hard to keep it the voters would throw him out. I suspect he would not be consistent in his opposition to federal aid if the voters expected him to fight hard to keep their federal jobs.

[surfer53]

Ron Paul might be the only sane, consistent politician left. This guy predicted all of this, and we still treat him like an old coot. We listened to people like Bush and Obama, and now we're broke. I think that should be the administration's slogan: We're all broke but we're right! This is like morality on LSD. It doesn't work and everyone's jobless, but it's the right thing to do. Progressives believe health care should be free for all, and that's all that matters.

[ashermerkabah]

@surfer53 you hit the nail on the head. Kinda makes you wonder what would happen if he was our President instead huh? Who knows? I voted for him before, I"ll vote for him again. We need someone like him who knows what's going on, and more importantly, knows how to actually fix those problems. its not going to be easy, and he doesn't pretend it will be, unlike others who say they'll change it all around if they're president. But where is our change? They're selling pipe dreams. RP for President!

[callouschristian]

I don't trust Ron Paul. He has grains of truth in truck loads of republican shit.

[surfer53]

@callouschristian That's why every "republican" hates him...brilliant logic. I love how people still want to blame republicans only. Who's been in power for the last 4 or 5 years? This is what got America into this mess. The Republicans stink so we'll vote for the Democrats. Oh wait...they stink too...but it's the Republicans' fault! As a Canadian, you guys deserve the government you get for being so partisan.

[callouschristian]

I watched what Reaganomics did and how it led us to where we are. It has also hurt much of the world in various ways. To hate such a thing is not "partisan". To hate a soccer team because they are dirty players (taking a moral standpoint) is far different than hating them because they beat your team (which makes you a fan, a partisan). That is the way it is for me with republicans. They are not what America is really about and much harm comes from their machinations.

[surfer53]

Both parties are out to lunch. Reagan was a horrible governor of California, not unlike Arnold, and while it's important to recognize how brilliant he was at restoring America's economy and ending the Cold War without anyone dying needlessly, we all must remember his shortcomings - i.e., spending. In fairness, while Reagan did overspend which is brutal in my opinion, he had to spend to win the arms race. Was he perfect? No. No world leader is. JFK is my guy.

[route99]

I respect Ron Paul's views but I think Rep. Weiner hit the nail right on the head. Private insurance's primary goal is profit not paying for patient care. The insurers make their money by charging then denying people access to the service they are solely in business for.

And like Ron Paul said, part of the federal government's job is to enforce contracts. When the Ins. Co. drops you for having "pre-existing conditions" they are not honoring their contract. Why can't gov't be involved?

[Redrum4409]

I had never even heard of Anthony Weiner until I seen his first interview with Joe Scarbrough, and for his ideas relating to health care in that interview I respected him.

But I respect Ron Paul far greater than any other politician, because time after time he tells the truth about the system

and for Weiner to sit there and say 'mother ship' and 'Schizophrenia' in relation to Paul's comments pisses me off....

which goes to show how we dismiss those who deserve recognition...

[Govhater2]

watch?v=9qixcv8PT0U

[ReasonDictates]

"Well perhaps that's right". You bet your tush it is WEINER.

I will be very, very sad when Ron Paul is gone... he's practically the only one left in government who argues for real freedom and individual rights. It's depressing. Thankfully there's at least one reasonable congressman out there to give us hope though.

[BrettDunbar]

LOL WEINER

[jolow2]

Weiner is , well jst a weiner.

[callouschristian]

statement very reflective of a republican cons originality whether you are or not but I'll bet you are

[theknightswhosay]

The Constitution says what government should and shouldn't be doing. It's not that hard.

[ashermerkabah]

@theknightswhosay yeah and when Ron Paul tries to shed light on it and be the enforcer of it, many Americans call him crazy. What about this life? Is this economy not crazy? He's probably exactly what we need to turn this mess around but who will give him the chance? People need to get informed instead of treating voting like a popularity contest: voting because of color or sex...or because they "like his/her smile". None of that keep roofs over your heads or soldiers from dying overseas.

[NeoConSIayer]

Are there any other Republicans who aren't sellouts or is Dr.Paul the only one?

[gsrxx420xx]

@NeoConSIayer not really, maybe demint

[xp19375]

@NeoConSlayer

Goldwater, but he's not here anymore.

[SlowRealization]

Any win for the 2 major parties is a lose for America. Stop letting them make us pick a side and fight each other over their decisions, which by the way has turned us into debt-slaves. End the Fed and watch us prosper like the American Dream intended.

[killergames187]

Sanchez is a asshole!Go Mr.Paul!

[chuckyfunk1]

I love the way Sanchez tries to rationalize the ass kicking the Dems took in Mass. Hey Sanchez ... How are those ratings buddy?

[Rupert5432]

He looks like a weiner.  How fitting.

[CodeWarriorx0539]

THE SECRET NO ONE WILL TELL YOU.... Insurance companies put dead people on medicare. Thus they over charge the government for things they didn't even do... Thus weiners love sticking it to the government... Be prepared for the commercial real estate crash... 1 months food supply just in case...

[Spearsoft]

Ron Paul just brings a nice dose of common sense to the debate. I love it.

[cattleprods911]

My president is Ron Paul

[killergames187]

@cattleprods911 Amen i with you man!

[Martinx09]

Weiner = Another clueless weiner in DC.....

[bertly71]

Washington is trying to micro manage too much and they aren't doing much right. Anthony is in denial.

[dtaijo174]

I love RP, but he just seems like he's been slipping since 08. I just hope it was lack of sleep.

[robert7232]

It was a repudiation of big government, Sanchez, you dumbass!

[globbo100]

"The free market is never going to be the way because they just don't cover sick people".It sound like Weiner is not in touch with reality let alone his "mothership."

[godofallbums]

his name is weiner,hu hu hu

[burnpoi86]

ron paul for president

[FastMg42]

They are 3,000 politicians in DC and we are three hundred million. 300,000,000

Please forward to the proper channels:

God & Country,

General Worthington

THE CONTINENTAL ARMY

[TheRepublicX]

I don't know what's more disturbing, the outdated, senile and bigotted views of Ron Paul, or the fact that you redneck morons lap it up without any critical analysis whatsoever.

[stracinsrt4]

First ridicule, then violent opposition, etc.

I see you're in the transition phase. A little behind the curve but you'll get there.

[billmilliganhisself]

I read the title to this on LRC as "Ron Paul vs. Another Weiner". Sometimes first impressions really are best.

[chkdg8]

Here's the problem with our health care system that nobody seems to fucking get or refuse to acknowledge: DEREGULATION. Look it up. Because of lobbyists in Washington greasing up Congress on both sides, they have been getting away with murder on profiteering with the sick and needy. We cannot compete against tens of millions of dollars influencing our politicians to deregulate our health care and a government ran system is not the answer which big pharma wrote btw. It's all racketeering.

[CurtHowland]

More government involvement is not "deregulation".

Like the California power problems, caused by conflicting government regulations was not "deregulation".

Government involvement is being actively sought by those profiteers because actual competition would make prices go down. Only government involvement can maintain monopolies.

It is all racketeering, you're right, but making that work requires, again, government involvement. Regulation.

[husgvarnya]

Nobody acknowledges "deregulation" as a problem in health care because it hasn't happened.

[jscott2700]

Weiner lives up to his name. What a deluded fool.

[Foderick]

what a truly respectable debate. both of these men are grade-A honest people. I think very highly of them both

[venavarro]

ROn Paul is the best !

[CurtHowland]

Weiner's comment makes no sense.

"Health care" is not insurance. Insurance cannot cover those with pre-existing conditions, because then it's not "risk".

So get government completely out of "health care" and let prices fall and quality increase, so that those who are sick (and therefore not insurable for that condition) can get the care they need.

I'll say it again: Health care is NOT insurance!

[soliloqy]

weiner was commenting on the costs of medicaire vs private insurance and Ron Paul was talking about patients directly dealing with Dr's in a real market... cartels always drive prices higher, but if the dr's were billing patients directly, yes, prices would fall...

[CurtHowland]

Take a look some times on the book keeping tricks used to make medicare overhead ony 1%, like leaving out the cost of buildings, vehicles, administrators, etc.

[soliloqy]

I don't doubt it, but I've never seen hard stat's either way... My point is that both government insurance and private insurance drive up costs... Any time you put a middle man between the producer and the consumer there are always markup costs and price fixing... It's even true with durable goods as well...

[CurtHowland]

That's why insurance everywhere else is of limited scope.

I don't ask my insurance company to pay for painting my apartment, that's not a "risk". Yet I expect somehow for "insurance" to pay for a regular doctor visit?

You're absolutely correct that inserting a 3rd party increases costs for everyone. And now the biggest 3rd party of all is getting involved with everything, government!

[xp19375]

Also, look at how efficient Medicare is on a patient for patient basis vs a dollar for dollar. Medicare has many older, sicker people too, so more money is diverted to patients. This makes it look like administrative costs are low, but are numerically high.

For example, if an insurance company spent $1,000 on a person, say 20% is overhead, so that's $200. If Medicaid spends $10,000 on a person and 3% is overhead, then that's $300 on overhead.

[Nickelodeon2002]

Anyone in government with the last name of "weiner" loses all arguments before they've even uttered a word.

[ftorresgamez]

"In the places where we have done something we have done things better than the private sector."

Indeed - the Government (as idea) kills people much better than the private sector - 200 million since the 20th Century and counting . . .

Asshole.

[ragenut2112]

google and youtube Wendell Potter (former senior exec at CIGNA, turned whistleblower). listen to the nixon tapes where his advisors explain HMOs to him....profit before care. Even the conservative RAND Corp and Kaiser Family Foundation studies showed medicare was more efficient than the private sector.

[junior00bacon00chee]

"weve done better than the private sector"

you deliberately diminish consumer choice and actively protect certain medical interests from competition...the govt threatens everyone with being locked into cages like animals for not paying "taxes" or for disobeying their counterfeiting racket. how on earth would ANYONE expect an extortion based market actor (govt) to provide service when their reward is stolen regardless of the service performed!!?!

sigh...another weiner in DC...

[theDan3391]

@junior00bacon00chee The fact of the matter is there shouldn't be such a thing as "overhead" or "profit" when it comes to keeping me healthy. It is a fact that it is financially better for you to pay for your own healthcare than it is for an insurance provider, that is because the insurance provider is out to make a profit off of you otherwise it wouldn't be worth it.

[theDan3391]

@junior00bacon00chee The insurance company acts as a preemptive bank loan and when it comes to your life I'd be willing to bet you don't give a damn about the interest rate they're gonna charge you to keep you alive.

[theDan3391]

@junior00bacon00chee The only reason people don't pay for their own healthcare is because like pensions we are largely too irresponsible to plan out the scope for a financial burden such as your life or your retirement, and health emergencies can arise earlier in life before being able to pay that back. So the insurance company makes money out of your inability to plan/pay for your future, while the government takes your tax dollars and puts it to work into giving you a fatter retirement check

[healthhavencom]

Is this an SNL skit?

Weiner - the perfect name for that goof ball.

Ron Paul Rocks.

[Chainedorlo]

That Anthony Weiner guy should know that Medicare denies more medical coverage than private the next private insurer on the list. Secondly, Medicare(along with Medicaid) on the aggregate, underpay doctors. Many people without Medicare or Medicaid are left without a doctor so they have to go to the ER for care that they need. It doesn't matter if some people are happy, the government can just tax and inflate whatever they need to do to fund these vote buying social polices like Medicare.

[ftorresgamez]

Socialists will never recognize that government programs are bankrupt or that they are nothing more than glorified Ponzi schemes. Weiner is of the idea that, if it comes from the government, then it is good. If it comes from the private sector (that is, US, the productive ones), then it is bad.

Chainedorlo, you're absolutely right when pointing out the government can always tax or borrow or print money to cover any shortfalls, until they can no longer do it and pay the piper.

[DaeMaWong]

yellow tie guy needs to be poor at least once in his life to know wtf he's blabbering about. lol, i hope our life is that easy.

[akai1sora]

Did I hear Anthony Weiner say there is some things government does better?

[MooseOfReason]

"Are you more of a Republican or a Libertarian?

"Yes!"

Hahahaha. That was classic.

[mstraney]

@MooseOfReason Actually, he said "First of all, do you see

[mstraney]

@MooseOfReason

Accidentally hit post button oops!

"First of all, do you see yourself as a Republican, or more as a libertarian?"

[MooseOfReason]

mstraney, I got the gist of it. My point wasn't to transcribe exactly what he said.

[mstraney]

At first I thought he answered yes to a question that wasn't a yes-no question. However, a yes answer to that question would imply he is more libertarian. In contrast, a yes answer to the question you posted would imply he is more republican. I felt that this was a substantive difference, and was not trying to be overly critical.

[coolerdoncooper]

Weiner doesn't listen: Medicare, like Social Security, is bankrupt! End of argument.

[bugsbugmenot]

Of course the people on medicare like it, after all they're receiving a huge chunk of the loot. It's the people who're being looted who don't like it.

If you steal money from the taxpayers to buy stuff for the taxeaters who do you think is gonna complain about it?

[Ovalshine]

I think the saying goes, "Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always rely on the support of Paul."

[myrelative]

of course, paul would refuse to accept it.

[halcyon0830]

You actually think USA has Capitalism? Monopolies & fascism (gov & corporations own each other & are always in bed), all politicians in DC are Corporate Lobbyists paid & owned by corporations. NONE OF THIS IS CAPITALISM. You think saving people's lives is Communism, you want to kill everyone who doesn't make hundred grand a year? Do you know what communism or socialism is? Socialism is when Gov Controls & Owns ALL INDUSTRY & MEANS OF PRODUCTION, Communism is when NOONE CAN OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY.

[halcyon0830]

Corp/Neocons HATE ACCOUNTABILITY. THERE'S NO REGULATION. You realize that gov & corp ARE IN BED TOGETHER, who do you think pays Obama, GOP, Dems & ALL POLITICIANS IN CONGRESS-Lobbyists. Politicians only work for Corporations, they don't represent Main Street, Americans, US Constitution, Law or Constituents, they represent only Corps, War, Fascism, Greed & Wall-Street. NO DIFFERENCE B/W OBAMA & BUSH. I want Integrity, Honesty, Freedom, Real Capitalism & Competition, NOT Monopoly & CorpGov Fascism

[xxashyy]

Paul yet again puts commonsense in the mix.

[halcyon0830]

May 2006, Weiner illegally attempted to bar entry of the Palestinian delegation to UN. Weiner said PA President Abbas is a terrorist because PLO is listed as a terrorist organization by the US State Department. Weiners statement was ERRONEOUS, since the PLO has not been on a terrorist organization list since 1988. Weiner further stated that they "should start packing their little Palestinian terrorist bags." Weiner claimed Human Rights Watch, NY Times & Amnesty Int. hate Israel.

tiny(.)cc/0LvYJ

[halcyon0830]

Forget Grayson and Weiner....

mondoweiss(.)net/2009/12/grays ons-hypocrisy-and-nadler-and-w einers-too(.)html

[halcyon0830]

USA was NEVER supposed to be a Fascist or Totalitarian nation, a Corptocracy, a Communist nation or a Runaway Capitalism where Greed & Deception Rules above all. USA's a Constitutional Republic, a Social Democratic Republic, our Reps were chosen to WORK FOR us (their Constituents) NOT the lobbyists, neocons, zionists, israel, military industrial complex, nwo, federal reserve, corporations & special interests that want to put millions in politician's bank accounts.

Solution= Nader/Paul/Kucinich

[abortabraham]

The democrats will never have an honest discussion, he wants to say "government intervention" has been better than the current system, which has regulated competition out of existence, and then he calls that the free market. Fucking tool.

[jcNOVA88]

Ron Paul for FREEDOM! Obama is George Bush 3! Youtube Ron Paul and get with the r3VOLution!

[bigc028282]

Even though it was never real, I am still glad. HOPE AND CHANGE IS FUCKING DEAD.

The "middle" is the answer to the 2 party lie that continues the agenda's of the last in "power".

[benfaysal23]

RON PAUL FTW!!

[freedomcorp]

Is there anyone in govt that can go one on one with Dr. Paul and not seem like a fool or capitulate??

[KillerZeli]

@freedomcorp Yes there is - Anyone.

[wdcsucks1]

"we"? 5:09

[Luinreg]

I think what they are really missing here is where the free market should be involved in and where the government should be involved in. Asking for either extreme leads to abuse and destroys this union.

I notice this trend that if the product is a luxury, something that doesn't involve the actual care of the individual then let the free market have fun like in technology, the auto industry.

If the product involves the welfare of the human then government should be involved...

CONT.

[Luinreg]

Things like food stamps and unemployment(which I think people should be given work to earn that check unless by special needs), and health care is where government can really do some good.

It is finding that balance that has made other nations prosper like India, Japan, Australia, UK, France, Germany. Where they understand that difference between basic human needs and luxury where no one is given a free ride but will not be abandoned by society under any circumstance.

[itoldyounolies]

"both" lol

[SaveOurSovereignty3]

Tyrannical Leader ?

lol

Paul wants to relinquish presidential powers back to the congress

Pretty tyrannical indeed.....

[WhatsAfterThisPlace]

why do idiots think everything will change with Ron Paul, we thought things would change with Obama and they did not, we thought it would change with BUSH 2nd term and it didn't, we thought clinton would change and it did not, well please tell me a president after 1978 who was not corrupt?

[Homer177]

If our government is corrupt, it's because of the local level, not necessarily the president. There are people in the congress and senate who have been there for decades, and have done nothing to improve the country since they've been in office. This is due mainly to voter apathy.

[Armando7654]

@WhatsAfterThisPlace,

it's YOU who thought that things would change with Obama, BUSH 2nd, and that you are not an idiot.

wrong, wrong, and wrong agin haha

[AgeisLiberatisLuces3]

@WhatsAfterThisPlace ron paul is nothing like bush/obama. your a dipshit.

[WhatsAfterThisPlace]

Oh yea he is so different because after all he is not a polotician....oh wait.

[Ovalshine]

You know, people who don't think with their ego knew Obama was no different than Bush. If you think in terms of who's "electable", you eliminate everyone who would bring change. As long as Americans are told who to vote for instead of deciding for themselves, there never will be change.

Oh and it helps greatly to look at the person rather than the party he's under for if you think a 3rd party in general is the solution, it's not.

[CurtHowland]

> president after 1978 who was not corrupt?

Why so arbitrary? There have been, maybe, 3 presidents who haven't been obvious hypocrites: Van Buren, Cleveland and Harding.

Google this: Martin Van Buren: What Greatness Really Means

And Youtube watch?v=czcUmnsprQI

Every other president has actively violated their oaths of office, yes even Jefferson.

[helltrackrider]

Ron Paul for Tyrannical Leader - 2012