CERN News - Feb 3, 2011: LHC plans for 2011 revealed

[KingsBlend1]

Higgs for Xmas 2012! Yay

[tulp35000]

Other dimension, were all strings or particles, vibrating at different frequencies so the others cant see us? World ontop of world galaxy on top of galaxy, but why arent therem ultiple gravities lol, does the same gravity hold infinite dimensions and realities? That sounds like dividing by zero and whole existence imploding on itself, just ike you shitting your own mouth and then eating it again.

[94moore28]

Right! I'm going to have a wank.

[LiamCero]

Cern will invent time travel.

[PaleRider4136]

@LiamCero When are people going to get it through their skulls: IF humanity were ever, EVER some day in the future going to invent time travel, that version of us in the future who did it would have inevitably used it and came back. So it's safe to say that if we were ever going to discover time travel we would not be living in the world we live in now with cancer and religion and all of the horrible things that science will inevitably eradicate in the future.

[tulp35000]

@PaleRider4136 Lol your very narrow minded, what if they can't just come from the future because there is no time machines yet invented. Maybe a time machine has to open some kind of hole or way, maybe it can't just go into past/future without that time opening the door.

[PaleRider4136]

@tulp35000 I'm not narrow minded, you just don't understand temporal mechanics = If a time machine were ever going to be invented, it would have already been invented in the future.

[tulp35000]

@PaleRider4136 You just ignored my post and babled the same thing, if it's not invented here yet there is no future where the machine exists, THERE IS NO FUTURE. The same instant the machine is invented time travelers will come and go. Time travel only possible in 1 dimension u can't travel across multiple dimensions. Anyway the theory of time travel to the future is ridiculous, it is non existent, the only possible travel would be to the past if at all.

[PaleRider4136]

@tulp35000

you - are - traveling - into - the - future - right - now

There's no point trying to argue temporal mechanics with someone who can't think in more than one dimension. It's like a cuttlefish trying to imagine what color looks like. You must not have the neurological faculties necessary.

[tulp35000]

@PaleRider4136 Wrong, i hear this other dimension crap but nobody really ever found a way to show it. It does not exist, if u truly believe all this nonsense then u probably could believe magic lol. It's all science fiction, it's gona take forever for the human kind to advance to planet colonization, assuming we won't use up all of our resources and won't have enough to do it lol, the irony.

[tulp35000]

@PaleRider4136 Well said also...

[tulp35000]

@tulp35000 The comments below is for other ppl not u :D

[TheSquishMovies]

Can we have some updates please.. Theres more people interested in this than the amount of money thrown into this project, Keep up informed please :)

[COPPERH3ART]

Cern is a joke.

[SuperDeluxe80]

@COPPERH3ART

yeah there gonna prove their was no big bang, parallel universes, no higs. big ass waste of money.

there time is running short now.

[lightrevealed]

WOW and people are still starving on our planet.

[Ogudaktig]

@888johngalt Do some research for yourself and look into the math. There's nothing to be scared of, idiot.

[xhirtam]

its kinda weird that they will operate until 2012 december when a few people think the world will end -_- extrange coincidence

[themixedarts]

@xhirtam Yea, lets all go nuts!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

[TheIxtlan]

The LHC which cost billions of billions of dollars is design to discover new physics and its purpose is to develop superior "video game console"

[TheDustninja]

come on lets see some results and the comment above "if we don't find it by 2012 we can say it doesn't exist" think back in time when different peoples said things in science weren't possible and later with different methods it turns out they are but up to now the whole experiment seems to be a waste of time

[heroindog]

moar updates plz, very interesting stuff. the world needs to know! the technological advances could be amazing! holiday on mars anyone?

[Xabesroth]

Screw you guys..Im going to build my own stargate...

[oklahomakidz]

does;nt anybody notice the 666 in the logo or is everybody just amazed at big words and cousre joking on a machine that can ehtier open a wormhole or lord knows what else.....Cern,your evil! your exsperiment is evil! your logic is demonic in nature and you need to turn bak 2 god before it's to late! the date;s the give and the poeple behind this movement should sum it up for you guys of to who and what they serve!? let those with wisdom understand.....

[MONEERAYKAZ]

Bang! then the after thought of ramifications? Jump, then tell me if you hit something? We don't even understand our own planet and you want to play with a sleeping monster? What gives a group a right to decide the potential fate of the majority and the Planet?

[FallofDarkness55]

I LOVE SCIENCE!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR UPLOADING THESE VIDEOS.

[yahoopig]

what a waste of money

[arrington77]

The Chick at 4:04 is kinda hot..!!!

[yahoopig]

@arrington77 seen better

[arrington77]

@yahoopig ya me too, I said "kinda" Lol.

[arrington77]

@yahoopig ya me too! I said "kinda" Lol.

[RadioJack]

You need to trap some antimatter and then send it through the LHC for a collision.

[yahoopig]

@RadioJack might need to replace the dilithium crystals after that though

[RadioJack]

@yahoopig Or when you find the Higgs Boson particle, send it through for a collision.

[yahoopig]

@RadioJack they don't exist. i'll send it through for a miss

[mdma4life]

@RadioJack

The Tevatron accelerator already does that (it collides Protons and Antiprotons)

The LHC was designed specifically to collide two hadrons

Antimatter isn't some bizarre theory out of star trek, we use it every day for a myriad of reasons

[thugf101]

A black hole to swallow up the Planet Nibiru WOW, If that succeeds Then what, then were faced with a even bigger problem, I rather get obliterated then torn apart cell by cell, they want to create the big bang, or a sun, Well these things die, and when they do what is left, a black hole. what does a black hole do, sucks up everything in its gravitational Pull, So we will all die a horrible death, which no human has every died in such a way in history of earth, WTF IS THE GOVERNMENT DOING.

[yahoopig]

@thugf101 the govt is doing more than just talk shit like you

[Ogudaktig]

@thugf101 You fucking idiot, there's no chance of that. If you looked into the math, even if a black hole were created for even an instant it would be so small that it would immediately wisp out of existence. Keep the fear up, though. It'll do some good if you just went away.

[breaneainn]

Does all the data processing from the experiments get conducted on site at cern, or is it farmed out? I thought I heard a rumour that there was a fibre network to a univeristy or something...New Scientist maybe.

[michalchik]

No, we honestly DON'T wonder what the LHC has to do with the skiing world cup. We want to know what new physics you have found and the technology of the LHC!

We are also not interested in how often your meetings are being held, how well your scientists sing, or how hip your hobbies are.

[Rao665]

dahhh, kan i is work foar SerN?!? I is gud cientest and physicalicist.

[adamb20102010]

Nice try at the Public Relations you dogs....Why dont you evil bastards tell the people what you are really up to

[CERNTV]

@adamb20102010 Trying to understand the Universe, but in the process, we happen to improve your life, by inventing the web, the scanner, the MRI, the PET scan, and right now we are making machines that cure cancer, using hadrons to burn them clean. Sorry...

[adamb20102010]

@CERNTV then why the statue of shiva the destroyer in the dance of death out the front of your building!! you are indeed trying to understand the universe by punching a hole in time and space!

[CERNTV]

@adamb20102010 That was an official present from the Govt. of India, a few years back, during a visit. I guess they meant to offer it to us as a piece of art, rather than a hint to its meaning. As for punching holes in space time, our collisions are thousands of time smaller than those that happen all around you right now, when zillions of cosmic rays from outer space collide on Earth each second, hitting at much higher energy atoms of air, objects and... you.

[lnpkural]

If there is no Higgs, then it would mean that Physics is somhow wrong or not precise enough..Will it be a jump into a New Physics ?

[CERNTV]

@lnpkural Higgs is just a theory amongst others. The LHC was designed to investigate all theories, not just Higgs. If there is no Higgs, the other options are even more exciting. Check: UDoIzvKumGI

[Aresftfun]

This doesn't have much relevance, but why is the LHC collider outer tub coloured blue?

[CERNTV]

@Aresftfun There's actually a good reason. The LHC dipole magnets are built inside standard city gas pipes, which happen to be blue.

[cybercentury]

@CERNTV I figured the reason would be something retarded.

[KARX0]

@AdamBMorris CERN, LHC and their other projects are 100% successful from the day one! They cannot find nothing, I'm absolutely sure they will find something! Their machines and scientists are ready for any kind of discoveries! I suppose, for some people these future unpredictable, unbelievable discoveries will be more believable than the fact the Higgs boson doesn't exists. You always have a choice to believe them or not. Why are You all so in love with this Higgs boson?

[nilsandrae]

Good work CERN et al!

Love the Dilbert comic. :-D

[AdamBMorris]

@KARX0 The energy range currently being explored by the LHC is about 3.5 TeV, nowhere near its actual capacity.

Since the Higgs is the gague boson of mass itself, there is no satisfactory way to predict its mass.

Declaring the Higgs not to exist simply because it wasn't found up to the limit of a certain accelerator seems somewhat short-sighted.

[lnpkural]

Why everything points to end of 2012 ????

[godulous]

@lnpkural Because that's when the world ends, duh.

[Vampus]

Assuming the Higgs Boson can be ruled out, what is the next leading theory?

[KARX0]

@Vampus the next leading theory is the string theory. Underlying string theory is the radical idea that fundamental particles are not really like points or dots, but rather small loops of vibrating strings. All the different particles and forces are just different oscillation modes of a unique type of string. Bizarrely, the theory also implies that besides the familiar three–dimensional world and the fourth dimension of time, there are six additional spatial dimensions!

[Vampus]

@KARX0 That's interesting. I hadn't realised that the Higgs Boson theory and string theory were not compatible, but then again I hadn't followed either with scientific detail. It would be curious then that some of these loops exhibit mass while others don't.

[AdamBMorris]

What if the Higgs is at 14.1 TeV?

[KARX0]

@AdamBMorris "If there is no new physics in the energy range currently being explored by the LHC, running through 2012 will give the LHC experiments the data needed to fully explore this energy range before moving up to higher energy."- from "CERN announces LHC to run in 2012" Press Release.

[MichaelMitchellM]

I am happy that they have no dislikes :D

[ricktbdgc]

they spent 6 billion dollars on this thing, and so far all they can say is, the universe is exactly they way we thought it was. The ideas we weren't sure about, were still not sure about. Hey jimmy, theres a short circuit on one of the 1,000,000 circuits can you go redo all of them just in case, and don't use electrical tape this time. Sounds like a stalling for time issue. Bet you the investors are screaming for results and they havn't actually looked at the data yet.

[lionnew]

@ricktbdgc hey they work VERY HARD there..u have no idea how hard it is to work in a place like this, hours and hours analyzing data, programming, doing shifts, fixing practical problems related to the LHC, NO WEEKENDS, NO FEASTS, NO PERSONAL LIFE, NO TIME FOR THEIR SELVES..is is easy for the rest of the world to sit down in a computer and criticize without knowing what is really going on there...and note that iam NOT one them (i wish i was)..though, i have been there and i know..

[ricktbdgc]

@lionnew

Yes I know, I didn't mean to discredit the efforts of the lhc team. I realize there is a lot of work, and even more to come. I just understand how money expects results, and this is not the type of project that will produce results right away. They will be anaylzing the data for years, and may not discover this higgs until 2025, and that they found it in a data stream recorded in 2010. I wish them all the luck, and hope something good for the world comes of this.

[ShinyaSenshi]

I think people need to realize he what he said about the Higgs. Obviously English isn't his first language. First he said it was an "ambitious goal". A goal, its not like he's saying, "we're going to decide this by the end of 2012 like it or not". What I think he meant was: "Either to discover the Higgs or just (be able to(through process of elimination)) rule it out" Remember he said GOAL, it's a big one but who doesn't set big goals for themselves.

[PinkCammy]

lmao at the dilbert comic! very accurate too

[menthol5]

This is some really fascinating stuff, I'm glad for the update. I like to see people working together to advance our understanding of reality, rather then the destruction of other people and their cultures.

[Jenzen123456]

if cern does not find higgs, they will be showing a really nice example for the science critics around the world... will be much harder to get funding for physics experiments like this

[noxure]

@Jenzen123456 That's pretty irrelevant. If it doesn't exist, then so be it.

It only means there are fewer models to focus on and most of those are more exciting than the ones who contain the Higgs boson imo.

Proving that reality is stranger than we anticipated is usually a good thing, it means that in the future we might be able to develop technologies that right now are beyond our imagination.

[Hornet85]

I don't understand, why rule out the Higgs if its not found by 2012?

I'm pretty sure we've been trying to search for it in the past and obviously failed, but those failure doesn't rule out Higgs at all.

Is it any different now?

[geevow]

@Hornet85 It's indeed a hard statement to say that the Higgs will be ruled out at the end of 2012... I think it's safer to say that the LHC will be able to rule out the "most likely scenarios" for the Higgs. If we don't discover it (or if we don't see at least a hint that it can be discovered with more data) at the end of 2012, this would be quite unexpected, hence giving a hint of possible new physics mechanisms beyond our knowledge...

[Sockheadableful]

Say what? 2012? well thats a small amount of time to rule out the higgs , i mean seriously, give it some time

[RicowOTC]

4:05 Wait, is that a hot girl who knows what a TeV is???

I'm in love... <3

[Shackamaxon]

It would be unfortunate if the Higgs is ruled out. I guess that would mean its back to the drawing board. What purpose would the LHC serve if the Higgs is ruled out?

[banana1337kivi]

@Shackamaxon antimatter research?

[adamb20102010]

why do they have a statue of Shiva the destroyer in the death dance out the front of the CERN building?....LOL

[TheTrancemaster90]

@adamb20102010 Because they have a goa party!! XD

[LovaBoij]

could someone explain to me what the luminosity is? what would changing the luminosity do?

[Shackamaxon]

@LovaBoij The LHC Portal has a WIKI about luminosity and luminance. There's a lot of in depth info here.

[skeletorphd]

And what happened to the plan to get the kids involved?

My 7 year olds mother is getting her evil "mindless-pop-culture" claws into her and she was getting very excited every time she got to explain Photons and Mass to people!

[Sockheadableful]

@skeletorphd Don't let her get corrupted by the ignorant society that we have today

[CERNTV]

@skeletorphd In october we ran a special day to involve kids (13-18yo) by letting them into the experiments control rooms, to understand what the physicists were doing. Right now, we are partnering with Google in a global science fair, a competition for teen agers around the world, with great prizes. For those interested, google dot com slash sciencefair.

SdG

[skeeterhmcr]

@CERNTV

What happened to the LHC pop-up book?

[CERNTV]

@skeeterhmcr It's still there I guess. Check the ATLAS website.

[inferi9]

What about the antimatter ????

[skeletorphd]

Glad there's another update. Could do with more frequent ones.

Would also like to know how you can be sure the Higgs doesn't exist if nothing happens by 2012. Surely the inevitable myriad of problems that you will encounter in a project of this magnitude will, more likely, throw up a large number of possibilities and theories.

It seems like quite a short time frame, considering its not at full whack, to say the Higgs doesn't exist.

[pdblouin33]

@skeletorphd From what I heard from the LHC rap, is that if the Higgs doesn't appear at 7TEV collisions, and it's theoretically the particle that imparts mass to everything, then it doesn't exist. If it did exist, it would be immediately apparent because of the nature of the theoretical particle, being easily detectable.

[hirbelwirbel]

höher-schneller-weiter

[Z1BABOUINOS]

In Chamonix eh?

Well, if you gonna do it, do it with style...

:-p

[PatrioticFront]

good work; I still think it's a shame they shut down the fermi lab

[GenoKatz4]

Any sign of the Higgs Boson yet?

[CERNTV]

@GenoKatz4 Check at 5:00: if we don't find it by end 2012, we can say it doesn't exist.

[cc3814]

@CERNTV I don't think he meant that if they don't find the Higgs by the end of 2012 it doesn't exist but that it will only come from higher energy collisions to what they are doing now, since they are only running at half the capability of the LHC before they make those repairs to the connections.

[CERNTV]

@cc3814 Theorists have calculated the mass of the Higgs boson at 1.4 Tev. The LHC collides two beams at 3.5 Tev, hence it reaches a collsion energy of 7Tev, well above the one required to see a Higgs boson. So the probablity of seeing a Higgs if it exists is fairly high in the LHC. On the other hand, the probability of not seeing one in 2 years is basically zero, hence if we don't see it till then, we can assume it doesn't exist.

SdG

[cc3814]

@CERNTV Ah, thanks for explaining that. Too bad I'm sure everyone was hoping to see the Higgs, at least that opens up the possibility for new ideas.

[cc3814]

@CERNTV I should have known better than to disagree with CERNTV =P

[GenoKatz4]

@CERNTV Well if you don't find it, what other theories can you test in the LHC?

[CERNTV]

@GenoKatz4 Theorists believe that the "Non Higgs" scenarios are even more exciting. The LHC and it's experiments are large spectrum research instruments, and they are prepared to any, even unpredictable discoveries that may come. There are plenty of alternative theories out there, such as Supersymmetry, Strings, Multiple Dimensions etc. Check: UDoIzvKumGI

SdG

[krokom9]

@CERNTV we can't say that it doesn't exist, we can only asert that we can't spot it at this point in time and that it is yet to see if it exists.

[SuperDeluxe80]

@CERNTV

the machine may be one expensive failure. if it does good luck getting more funding.

[mysund]

@GenoKatz4 It was such a shame. Due to massive workload in his surroundings, Higgs Boson could'nt make it. To make things even worse, the invitation to his collegue Tosihiro Tachion was misplaced, and it arrived 2 days after the meeting. Hopfully he will in the near future have had the time to attend, and then he will have been there.