The thing i find most fascinating, especially in contrast to Gestalt therapy, is that just in Gloria's voice alone, you can feel that she acknowledges that Rogers actually understands. Maybe it is just my perception but, hearing a similar thing often, it seems to me that his empathic understanding is being recieved by her and it almost sounds to me as if she is a little suprised at being understood and having her feelings accepted.
@beetbop1231 And nothing will change for her because of this. Rogers did nothing to help her excpet act kind. Do you need training for that? Disgraceful.
@MrGrevy you are assuming that you know how Gloria inwardly feels in general, which is impossible for anyone to know but her. Person-centered therapy focuses on personal organismic growth (as carl rogers explains in most of this publications of late) I do get that it seems unaffective, that is how i felt when first recieving person centered therapy, but after opening up as a person, these methods are easier to comprehend. Not to say that you are a closed/arrogant person of course.
@Izzyhal I said nothing close minded or arrogant, simply common sense. A Person centered approach doesn't seem to have a behavioral component and isn't supported by peer reviewed research.
@MrGrevy If you read the end of my statement, i said that i didnt assume you were arrogant or close minded. I do agree that it seems like an unorthodox approach. Your basing your "common Sense" on opinion, persona centered therapy works on a variety of people, else it wouldnt still be practised and discussed like any other method of therapy. It has and is working for me and works very well for many people i know who have also recieved different methods of therapy with negative results.
@MrGrevy to continue, I know this method of therapy does not work for everyone, vice versa with any type of therapy i suppose. From my point of view, it seems to have an effect on Gloria by observing how she reacts to what Rogers said/to what she has begun to think. Whether she would continue to seek that type of therapy again is unknown, so its long term affects are indeterminable by us. I just dont see how you can assume you know the therapy hasn't affected her at all.
I was basing that on her statement that basically said she thought she was a nice guy but wasn't helping her. I know Rogers is respected but I feel like his methods can reinforce bad or overly passive behavior in a lot of situations. I'm glad it works for you but some people just want to rent a friend for an hour or have people tell them they are ok, or to have someone rub vaseline on their bottom and tell them it is special and different than everyone else's, to quote a movie.
@MrGrevy Yes, some people do just want to "rent a friend" as it were i suppose. But the aim of person centered therapy isnt to be someones friend, or to tell them things will be ok, because it wont. Things go wrong but they do not stay terrible all the time, like things generally dont stay amazing all the time. A lot of people will seek counsel for their own reasons and when they see how different it might be from their expectations, they get scared and stop going or chose someone else.
This video is part of a psychology experiment designed and conducted in the 1960's to evaluate the effect of different types of therapy models on the same case. The woman is a typical psychological study so the evaluation focuses on the models, not specifically on the case. I do not understand why anyone would assess an educational video designed for a specific audience unless they have expertise in the subject. However, it's a free country, people have the right to sound as stupid as they can.
"I guess I do catch the real deep puzzlement that you feel as to what the hell shall i do? What can I do?" Carl Rogers is like Hunter S. Thompson's righteous consoling brother.
What a stupid whore. How about not having sex with strangers, woman? Not once does she suggest or appear to consider that possibility,. She just wants to get rid of her conscience, and tell her daughter all about her sexlife with a big grin on her face. Disgusting
@Niwram That's the "unconditional" part of Rogers' approach. You can do anything you want and the therapist will smile and nod and reflect and coddle you.
he makes getting any answers so easy, i know this is old but damn, shows the patient resistance as well, interrupting him and obviously in denial of accepting herself which prevents her to expose the truth to her daughter, truly awesome to watch! :)
I watched her session with Perls yesterday. Found it rather interesting, though also somehow stupid. Wanted to compare with this one. Couldn't stand a minute. Listen to her story? Why. What a worthless waste of time.
if she cannot accept these things in herself, how is she supposed to have her daughter accept them. she wants help getting rid of guilt. ouch!!! is she disappointed in herself or her actions.?
carl rogers "feel" he is responsible for providing the "right" atmospher to produce an outcome for the pts therapy to be successful, and i bet if there is no change in pts psyche, then he'll feel responsible or externally blame pt for not being open to his therapy session or resistant.
carl rogers came up with a good approch that has excelled since the 60s the difference in 40-50 years isstill amazing to see,, such as how we now use longer silences, less questions, less digging ourselfs andmore sekf digging for the client. in 50 years i think pc will be a used approach just as the rest but im more excitied to see how far it goes and progesses
I'm sorry if this has been asked already but are the other therapy approaches with Gloria available as well? I'm particularly interested in Albert Ellis's session with her. And yes, OMG, YouTube is so amazing to have information like tis available. Thank you!
I think the problem here is based in the image Gloria has of herself which only has validation in terms of the past or the future. Neither which truly exist. Gloria is constantly worried and thinking about what may happen or how her daughter will perceive her. This image she has of herself is based in time. She should strive towards awareness of the present moment with full acceptence and without self imposed judgements, while consciously and consistently letting go of guilt and remorse.
@Juanster23 I agree 100%. She has to admit that you can't always fit into societal strains on how you are suppose to act, no one CAN be perfect. We set our own limits and boundaries, and being picture perfect morally isn't possible with happiness all of the time. We have to give ourselves some slack every once in a while because we're only human. It's okay to want and do things we aren't suppose to sometimes, we just have to accept it, truly rationalize it, and continue on; not dwell.
Carl Rogers was an influential American psychologist and among the founders of the Humanistic approach to psychology. Rogers is widely considered to be one of the founding fathers of psychotherapy research and was honored for his pioneering research with the Award for Distinguished Scientific Contributions by the American Psychological Association in 1956..
@Valiantgallifrey me too. I just started the masters program for being a substance abuse conselor on Mon aug 23. I had to do a 10 min presentation on Carl Rogers Client Centered Therapy. I really wish I would have watched his videos 1st. The professor didn't seem too impressed with Rogers in relation to individual substance abuse counseling. The proff is more in favor of a directive approach as oppossed to the non directive approach of Rogers
I love Carl Rogers, I feel that he was a completely genuine and sincere human being. This kind of therapy has so much impact on human beings. The only critical point I can make is that perhaps humanism is overly gentle. Here, Gloria repeatedly asks for direction, and Rogers does not comply. But perhaps that only helps her to self-direct herself. Maybe she just needs to hear her issues stated from another human being in order to resolve them herself.
@AmsCamJams we can see a bit of Fromm's theory in her actions as she may be attempting to escape the freedom that his approach allows, through constantly asking to be told what to do/think. I think the Rogerian method is INITIALLY the most uneasy for people because they aren't expecting such freedom & it's foreign to them. However, I still think once they get past the awkwardness of it, then it can turn out to be the best therapy for them, especially in resolving for themselves.
@AmsCamJams thank god for youtube and the net. It's one thing to read about Rogers and it's another to visually see him in action. I'm using vids like this in my masters of substance abuse classes. It's a masters program.
Quite often our guilt is there for a reason. It usually means we're doing something wrong. Gloria just wants Rogers to tell her it's okay. But he doesn't.
There is much we can learn from Carl Rogers'supportive and patient presence. But sometimes our clients are in urgent need of good direction, such as this: "Gloria, don't talk about your sex life with your nine-year-old daughter."
@dloftus11 i think that wouldn't be good for the relation betwee therapist and client and you should never deny a child an honest, child appropriate answer if it has a question..
Despite everything I've read about paraphrasing Rogers does it his own way and it works and comes across better than the text book paraphrasing. Very real and natural. I wish I could do it this way. He makes it look so easy.
Am I the only one who saw Perl's session, read that Gloria's therapist was a disciple of Perl's and found this haunting: 0:48 but then watched the Perl session and thought she was enjoying the taunts.
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If you want to beat around the bush and never actually come to a conclusion, speak to a counciller or therapist.
Gloria needs to pull her head out of her arse and man up. Sleep around and do what you want and tell your kids what they need to know. Saved her and me an hour of boring therapy
At 8 minutes Rogers summarises slightly differently to her, this creates a tension resulting in the need for further clarification from Rogers, and explanation from Gloria. Rogers drops his interpretation instantly, to understand where she is, and the helping relationship continues.
How do you all feel about Rogers tempo? Do you think the nods ad short encouraging words were too quick to allow him to speak, or adequately timed? She didn't seem uncomfortable with his tone or body language
Reflection of thoughts and feelings, congruency, and unconditional positive regard are all good things and get at the desired effect. These are useful devices and I employ them daily, yet they leave us wanting for more. I use CBT to a great extent and combine it with the Rogerian approach. One can be a softer and gentler Ellis.
Carl rogers died when i was born in 1987 i really appreciate this mans character he gave his life to serve others in terrms of counseling. And he is extremely understanding and empathetic CARL ROGERS WAS THE MAN !!!!!
"Aww you sound like you mean it... But I don't know where to go".
I guess there's a point where people need answers from someone who has studied and is able to present possible alternatives. Only really good thing about humanistic therapy is *honesty*, but if that's all, as it shows here, it is something you could only spend a few months training for. People deserve more.
@Portubed that's the difference between counseling and therapy. counseling is advice giving. rogers is trying to get her to realize she has the power and knowledge to make her own choices and does not have to rely on others to make it for her
I love Carl Rogers. The man was a genius at really communicating with people. Listen at 3:53, he reframes her concerns in such a way that goes right to the heart of the matter, and that, in itself, is therapeutic b/c it allows her to view what she is saying from another perspective.
i kinda think this searching the past/self pity style of therapy is overrated. it makes the patient feel comforted temporarily but it ultimately just re-hashes events that are gone and no longer exist. i definetely prefer fritz perls' style of forcing a person to face the here and now without the support of their avoidance tactics
You may see this style as passive but it is the most effective therapy in counselling,. This is only listening to her story ''stage one'' and although progress is being made within the duration of this session the answers to her problems will be very clear to her very soon - study this and you will see this is so effective - proven better than any other style. The man is a mammoth in the field of therapy. Just look him up in the web,
They only had half an hr together. This is only stage 1 of person centred counselling. The man's a genius. There was progress made here. The answers will come to her over the span of their periods spent. - This style of therapy seems very passive and resigning but in actual fact it's really effective.
I think that it would be nice to be helped by someone with more answers for my problems. Like the lady who is being counseled said "you're just going to let me stew in this problem. I want you to help me with it". If I feel like I'm having a problem that I can't overcome myself and I go to get help from a professional about it, I want more than to just be understood, I want some suggestions on how I can deal with my issues and potentially resolve them. Carl Rogers is too passive for me.
@honeykiss37 the point of counselling is not to give you the answers but to give you the tools and space to find your own answers. if someone just hands you the answers then how do you grow as a person and cope with the things that you face in everyday life?
Gloria wants answers that are within herself. She sounds like a wonderful mother who just wants to protect her daughter whilst exploring her own desires.
she was great talking about her problems and describing it like that I couldn;t do that she was so relaxed as well...I;d be so nervous and my mind would go blank lol.
Humanist therapists do that: whan you're in front of them, you feel totally comftable and you start pouring yourself out, and you can FEEL he/she (in my case she) UNDERSTANDS you, and you can trust him/her. They create this atmosphere. They're very well trained in empathy.
It's my honest opinion that Gloria only needed to balance both sides of her life, instead of feeling guilty about one, and good about the other. Her desires were completely normal, but also were a private part of her overall persona that she should have only lived by in that mode of her life.
+Thanks for video. This Carl Roger guy knows how to speak - will find out more about him.
It's important to remember that some people experience Person Centred counselling as beneficial & others experience it as useless. There's no right or wrong answers, there are different experiences. Different counselling can be experienced in different ways, by different people, for different issues at different times in their life. The experience you have says more about you than it does about the counselling. I just think it's great that this video is available to watch on here!
There are some dreadfully uninformed comments here, particularly from Biscuit213 and Balldez. Thankfully, bodinnder knows what s/he is talking about. This client entered therapy voluntarilly and had three different models to draw conclusions from. Also, a client arriving at their own solutions is far more empowering than 'answers' from supposed 'experts' could ever be. Rogers empowers his clients. 'Experts' empower themselves. Client testamony shows Rogerian counselling has helped thousands.
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Voluntary does not necessarily equal ethical. imho, they were thinking more about themselves than they were about Gloria. They needed to compare styles and the best way for them to do that was to have the same client interviewed by all 3. Their egos were more important to them than Gloria's well being. They were competing with each other and Gloria was a victim of their competitive natures.
The thing is, only by comparing and contrasting can we (clients and therapists) find out what suits people best. As a therapist myself I realise that different people respond to different methods. When I was also a client in the past, by seeing how I responded to different approaches I found what worked best for me. In Gloria's case, we have to respect her autonomy. She willingly took part, presumably after what was on offer was fully explained to her. That is ethical.
As far as ethicts in therapy is concerned, the therapists have done nothing wrong. However, your own personal ethics may not fit with that notion. Fair enough. We all have to ask ourselves where we draw our boundaries. If the egos of therapists were indeed central here, then that is not a good thing at all. But I'm not personally sure this was the case. Anyway, I respect your opinion, even if I don't share it. Perspectives will always differ.
I tend to disagree, although you make a good argument. However your argument assumes that Gloria was searching for a type of therapy which I don't think was the case. I heard that she was actually the client of the therapist who did the exit interview with her at the end of the video (if you remember from when you were in school). That being the case, she was convinced, more or less, by her therapist to participate in this video. That in and of itself is unethical right there.
Furthermore, she had to at least feel slightly used after the video was made because of this reason. And if the three therapist had knowledge of how Gloria got "selected" for this video, well then that incriminates all three of them in the using of this woman.
If Gloria took part of her own free will then I'm ok with it personally. However, if she was somehow manipulated into taking part then it would be a different matter altogether. I've no way of knowing the truth of that, though. It's a hard one to call, seeing as neither of us are in full possession of the facts. I do see your point, though, and I understand where you are coming from on this. I'll leave it there I think. Thanks for your replies. ;)
@Spion62 Ive noticed that in the gestalt therapy video with gloria that he seemed to be a dick but i think there was a method there. I think he was attacking her self scene of always sabotage he seems to to be forcibly breaking it. In the other video.
@Guitarstring187 Yeah he was getting her to come out of her phony, presenting self and act with a genuine feeling, even if it was anger. He was promoting differentiation, getting her to be able to see that she is a strong self separate from the counselor and that she can stick up for her needs and be on an equal plane with others. Also, that it is okay to be angry/assertive.
Therapy can't find instant answers for anyone,... therapy is usaually based on the client finding the answers for themselves with the aid of the therapist,... besides the fact that psychiatry is an in exact science! Carl Rodgers actually helped thousands of people and has one of the most practical down to earth types of therapy that exists today.
Rogers had people babble about their neurosis and that was a about it. Egoistic people love to babble about themselves. People are looking for solutions and Rogers had none. Defining and re-defining the problem doesn't help.
If Rogers could not tell a parent how to talk to a kid about the birds and the bees he was not too bright.
@Balldez "Egoistic people love to babble about themselves". Okay, so what were Gloria and the other people supposed to do in this case? Talk about Rogers so they are not viewed as egoistical? That's what they're there for. To talk about their problems so that they can receive help.
you have to read "Living with the Gloria Films" written 2007 by gloria's daughter! If you say the same after reading it then we'll know you're not just teasing us 'believers' ;)
Poor woman had to sit through three therapy sessions with three different therapists (Rogers, Ellis, & Perls) who each had totally different approaches to therapy. Her head must have been spinning afterwards. Now I ask, is that ethical?
No it's not ethical biscuit 123, that's another thing wrong with quacks, they love to experiment on guinea pigs every day they don't care they just want money.
nadsab, well for these guys it wasn't about money, they were out to promote their own style of therapy, but I don't think that this is ethical nevertheless. They should have had different "guinea pigs" for each therapist. It sounds like you've had some bad experience with therapists in your past?
Is it Ethical?? If she was a guinea pig then she willingly volunteered,... so ethics are not really an issue,... as far as Carl Rodgers being a quack,... definitively not,... but again it's based on your perception of psychothereapy and psychotherapists.
Firstly, she was a willing volunteer and secondly she got free sessions with some of the leading psychotherapists of that time and who's teachings are still widely used today!
She was a guinea pig whom they needed to experiment on in order to make a point about their style of therapy. They could have easily had 3 different people assume the client role, but instead they chose one person. They were thinking more about their needs than hers. That is what I call unethical.
It's not about her knowing what she was doing. It's about them knowing what they were doing. As therapists they have ethical standards to live up to. It's always about putting the clients needs first when it comes to therapy. However, here they chose to put their needs first. It's kind of like enveloping their ethical examples of therapy within an unethical scientific method of comparison of theories. That's the part I find unethical. No one's perfect, not even these therapist/theorists.
The idea is to provide a comfortable environment for the client to realize their own emotions and figure out what is good for them to do. Rogers believes that all people know what is good for them when they are in touch with their actualizing tendency. He creates a comfortable environment so that the client can reach that actualizing tendency.
Hi getfitdit, good point but you know tubegirl sounds like a know it all. Humanistic approach is not her suite she must be from the Freud school of thought...I mean Fraud way of sitting on the coach and "tell me bout your mother" B. S. offcourse we can't just assume that she doesnt know anything about therapy or will be labelled as arrogant as well. LOL
Seems clear that a 9 year old girl would be adversely effected by knowing her mom is having sex with men. Why couldn't he tell her that. She is a good mom trusting her instincts and protecting her children. Seems obvious.
yea right, its just his technique of councelling. He lets the client talk the most possible just to be able to get answers to it. U need to know a lot about the human mind to be able to decode others. He definately has an interesting way tho.
u do know who carl rogers is? how amusing and arrogant of u to amuse u would know better than him. he doesnt tell her anything because he wants her to find the answer within herself
because Carl Rogers and all good coun sellors NEVER tell a client what to do ...this particular therapy is 'person centered'...the theory is that the client already knows the answers to their problem or issue - all the counsellor does is mirror what the client says and help to untangle the confusion and ask the client to think about options and things they could do ..eventually the answers will come ...but a counsellor never tells a client what to do or what to think , they are both equals
Man I think I should go into this, I do a similar thing with my drunk friends on regular occasions, hahaha it's funny how people take the pheadophille comment, but when I was nine I didn't even know about sex, I knew about storks... ...
Teaching children about sex should be a standard. It does no service to a young child to say that babies are delivered to parents via storks, nor does it do them any good to avoid their honest and innocent inquiries to their origins.
Now, there is a bit of tact involved in teaching children this. One wouldn't go and explain the gritty details of sexual endeavors to a youngster, but would rather teach them to understand the results of the action; also that sex would become clearer over time.
Yeah good points... ...I feel thwe same way about telling children about Santa, I mean your just blatently lying to your children and telling them theres this guy who can see them at all times and is judging their actions, and at the end of the year he sneaks into everyones houses and gives them prizes related to their performance.. ...it's fucking sick!
"Seems Clear?" Hardly. Sex is not violent or harmful if done consensually. What prudishness makes you think anyone, of any age, would be "adversely effected" by knowing about sex? What about having an open and honest relationship with one's children? "Seems obvious" that she's "protecting her children?" No, it seems obvious that she's lying to them. Stop underestimating children, they're perfectly capable of handling and understanding the real world if given a chance.
I've been waiting and waiting for someone to post the rest of Roger's and Gloria session. It looks like the waiting finally paid off. Thank you, from someone who cares about something other than an argument over ethics.
I have just come across these Gloria/ Rogers videos on you tube. The very first question in my mind, apart from how interesting it is, was the ethical implications. How difficult it can be to be so intimate with an unknown therapist, then add in the public viewing to that, and magnify it by a thousand.
ie, Was Gloria aware of the implications of this recording when she did it, was she consulted afterwards, and shown the film, and given the choice to veto it?
glorias daughter asked in her book( living with the gloria films )for the tapes not to be viewed by the general public. buying the book might redress the balance slightly as the book is directly from the daughter. how fantasic to have a mother so concerned to have told a lie to her daughter! an obviously intelligent women doing her very best to be the best she can be, loved the book. absolutly brillant. thank you for writting it.
The purpose of this approach is to get the client to come to their own conclusion to their problems. Carls questions may seem irrelavent (or repetative) but they are necessary as we can see, Gloria, is opening up more. Carl is basically pulling out her inner truths, or potential for actualisation, which he believes every human being has, in order for her to come to her own conclusions to her problems. Better than Frued...possibly?
gilch, it's printed on the cover of the video. i'm a trainee psychotherapist, we've viewed all of the gloria tapes in class and this was brought to our attention by the tutor of each therapeutic approach represented in the video. As were the devestating consequences these films had on Gloria's family.
he doesnt seem to be helping her AT ALL. thats why this type of therapy isnt widely practiced by most psychotherapists. just repeating back in your own way all the things the client says to you isnt going to help anyone. it definately wouldnt make me feel any better if i was having problems in my life --it would just annoy the fuck outta me
From my own professional experience, I know that some people will go into a counseling session just wanting to get things off their chest, to vent. But, you are correct with your assumption that he is not helping her here. She's too comfortable and not taking an active role in her own process of change. We shouldn't fully discount Rogers though. There is a lot of good points to his theories.
You sound convinced that he doesn't seem to be helping her, you also seeem to have an opinion on what is helpful and what is not, and you sound as if because you feel it is not helpful you may be concluding it isnt. am I getting it right?
I feel that Rogers offers a lot of crucial and important skills that a counselor needs. I feel that he fails to take that next stop in his own method. There are moments here where he could expand and delve into her psyche, yet he wont go that extra mile.
You seem once again to feel capable or judging what is right and what is wrong. as if the purpose of the demonstration is to judge what is good or better . You also seem to feel that Rogers did not go the extra mile as you understand it. You seem to struggle with making a non judgmental observation of a process involving 2 persons Rogers and Gloria, as an outsider to the process
I am not trying to be judgemental. Maybe I am beacause, through my own work and study, Rogers has not always been the most respected. I do take a lot of the skills that Rogers brings to the process. My goal though is to be totally present and also give the client that cognitive dissonance they need to change.
You seem to be saying that you have some awareness of how your work and study has influenced your feelings towards Rogers work. You also seem to be saying that Rogers ' work was not popular amongs the people you worked and study with. You also say you are not trying to be judgmental but that maybe you are because of what you were exposed to as a student and worker
He said in the beginning that his goal for the session was to demonstrate how to create the right therapeutic atmosphere (unconditional regard, etc.). Person-centered therapy works by making people slowly accept themselves without mental distortions, so they can then change. It takes a while. By the end of 25 minutes Gloria says she wished she had a father like him, so he achieved his goal. Futher sessions would have yielded much progress.
you sound upset and angry at the video. You also seem to feel the approach would be useless for helping you and that you would get furious if a therapist spoke to you this way. You also seem to be saying that you would find it more useful if someone solved your problems whenever you may have them, right?
Maybe you are unaware that all of the Gloria sessions are licenced for viewing only in colleges or counsellor training centres, not on a public website. Gloria's family have suffered terribly from the publicity received since the release of this tape. Since it is now protected you should respect that licence and Gloria's family by removing it and the other sessions from here. It is highly unethical and unfair.
I'm not sure.I think at the time of filming her daughter was about 10 & her son about 8 so maybe early 40's. Her daugher was at a person centered conference in Anglia last summer & said how difficult it was for her growing up with this film hanging over.she supports it being shown in colleges but appealed again for it not to be shown outside. clearly wasting my time appealing to the poster of the video here though. I thought it would be taken down by now. I won't say anymore.
Actually, the tapes were never licensed for academic viewing only. In fact , these tapes were never registered or comercialized by a distributor. I know, because years ago, I completed a fellowship training program with one of the professors directly involved in the making of this historically monumental project. So from a legal stand point it is not illegal to post it. As for ethics, Gloria herself consented to the showing of the tapes,
The thing i find most fascinating, especially in contrast to Gestalt therapy, is that just in Gloria's voice alone, you can feel that she acknowledges that Rogers actually understands. Maybe it is just my perception but, hearing a similar thing often, it seems to me that his empathic understanding is being recieved by her and it almost sounds to me as if she is a little suprised at being understood and having her feelings accepted.
beetbop1231 3 weeks ago
@beetbop1231 great oberservation!
nonyrbz 3 weeks ago
@nonyrbz thank you very much :)
beetbop1231 3 weeks ago
@beetbop1231 And nothing will change for her because of this. Rogers did nothing to help her excpet act kind. Do you need training for that? Disgraceful.
MrGrevy 3 weeks ago
@MrGrevy you are assuming that you know how Gloria inwardly feels in general, which is impossible for anyone to know but her. Person-centered therapy focuses on personal organismic growth (as carl rogers explains in most of this publications of late) I do get that it seems unaffective, that is how i felt when first recieving person centered therapy, but after opening up as a person, these methods are easier to comprehend. Not to say that you are a closed/arrogant person of course.
Izzyhal 3 weeks ago
@Izzyhal the above statement was posted by beetbop1231 on a friends account
Izzyhal 3 weeks ago
@Izzyhal I said nothing close minded or arrogant, simply common sense. A Person centered approach doesn't seem to have a behavioral component and isn't supported by peer reviewed research.
MrGrevy 3 weeks ago
@MrGrevy If you read the end of my statement, i said that i didnt assume you were arrogant or close minded. I do agree that it seems like an unorthodox approach. Your basing your "common Sense" on opinion, persona centered therapy works on a variety of people, else it wouldnt still be practised and discussed like any other method of therapy. It has and is working for me and works very well for many people i know who have also recieved different methods of therapy with negative results.
beetbop1231 3 weeks ago
@MrGrevy to continue, I know this method of therapy does not work for everyone, vice versa with any type of therapy i suppose. From my point of view, it seems to have an effect on Gloria by observing how she reacts to what Rogers said/to what she has begun to think. Whether she would continue to seek that type of therapy again is unknown, so its long term affects are indeterminable by us. I just dont see how you can assume you know the therapy hasn't affected her at all.
beetbop1231 3 weeks ago
I was basing that on her statement that basically said she thought she was a nice guy but wasn't helping her. I know Rogers is respected but I feel like his methods can reinforce bad or overly passive behavior in a lot of situations. I'm glad it works for you but some people just want to rent a friend for an hour or have people tell them they are ok, or to have someone rub vaseline on their bottom and tell them it is special and different than everyone else's, to quote a movie.
MrGrevy 3 weeks ago
@MrGrevy Yes, some people do just want to "rent a friend" as it were i suppose. But the aim of person centered therapy isnt to be someones friend, or to tell them things will be ok, because it wont. Things go wrong but they do not stay terrible all the time, like things generally dont stay amazing all the time. A lot of people will seek counsel for their own reasons and when they see how different it might be from their expectations, they get scared and stop going or chose someone else.
beetbop1231 3 weeks ago
This video is part of a psychology experiment designed and conducted in the 1960's to evaluate the effect of different types of therapy models on the same case. The woman is a typical psychological study so the evaluation focuses on the models, not specifically on the case. I do not understand why anyone would assess an educational video designed for a specific audience unless they have expertise in the subject. However, it's a free country, people have the right to sound as stupid as they can.
nonyrbz 3 weeks ago
@nonyrbz You are proof of that. You offer no insight whatsoever.
MrGrevy 3 weeks ago
Intresting to Rogers to stress the power within oneself; all hes doing is guiding her thoughts
1718Moham 1 month ago
"I guess I do catch the real deep puzzlement that you feel as to what the hell shall i do? What can I do?" Carl Rogers is like Hunter S. Thompson's righteous consoling brother.
TaylorSvendsen 1 month ago
What a stupid whore. How about not having sex with strangers, woman? Not once does she suggest or appear to consider that possibility,. She just wants to get rid of her conscience, and tell her daughter all about her sexlife with a big grin on her face. Disgusting
Niwram 1 month ago
@Niwram Dont worry, shes probably dead now anyway lol
BoboGumdrop 1 month ago
@Niwram There is absolutely nothing wrong with sex as long as you are safe mentally and physically. Grow up.
happibunnE 1 month ago
@happibunnE There's a difference between sex and sex with strangers. You grow up.
Niwram 1 month ago
@Niwram That's the "unconditional" part of Rogers' approach. You can do anything you want and the therapist will smile and nod and reflect and coddle you.
MrGrevy 3 weeks ago
I nned to become a therapist...I would get paid big bucks to just repeat what the patient says over and over.....geez
xMrPopeyex 1 month ago
@xMrPopeyex That's just Rogers' weak, effeminate approach.
MrGrevy 3 weeks ago
he makes getting any answers so easy, i know this is old but damn, shows the patient resistance as well, interrupting him and obviously in denial of accepting herself which prevents her to expose the truth to her daughter, truly awesome to watch! :)
tearsp07 1 month ago
This is great, thanks for posting it!
onlinecounselling 2 months ago
I watched her session with Perls yesterday. Found it rather interesting, though also somehow stupid. Wanted to compare with this one. Couldn't stand a minute. Listen to her story? Why. What a worthless waste of time.
Elefantter 2 months ago
if she cannot accept these things in herself, how is she supposed to have her daughter accept them. she wants help getting rid of guilt. ouch!!! is she disappointed in herself or her actions.?
senyata1 2 months ago
carl rogers "feel" he is responsible for providing the "right" atmospher to produce an outcome for the pts therapy to be successful, and i bet if there is no change in pts psyche, then he'll feel responsible or externally blame pt for not being open to his therapy session or resistant.
senyata1 2 months ago
Albert Ellis is better.
MrGrevy 3 months ago
carl rogers came up with a good approch that has excelled since the 60s the difference in 40-50 years isstill amazing to see,, such as how we now use longer silences, less questions, less digging ourselfs andmore sekf digging for the client. in 50 years i think pc will be a used approach just as the rest but im more excitied to see how far it goes and progesses
chudwicks 4 months ago
It seems that most of her issues are because of society's views at that time. Thankfully most of us live in a more open society.
mikeyo1234 4 months ago
@mikeyo1234 No, it was what she told herself about what society thinks.
MrGrevy 3 months ago
@mikeyo1234
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well, i guess yeah.
it's still hard to swallow the idea that we're in an open society.
alliant 3 months ago
I'm sorry if this has been asked already but are the other therapy approaches with Gloria available as well? I'm particularly interested in Albert Ellis's session with her. And yes, OMG, YouTube is so amazing to have information like tis available. Thank you!
Explorer766 5 months ago
I think the problem here is based in the image Gloria has of herself which only has validation in terms of the past or the future. Neither which truly exist. Gloria is constantly worried and thinking about what may happen or how her daughter will perceive her. This image she has of herself is based in time. She should strive towards awareness of the present moment with full acceptence and without self imposed judgements, while consciously and consistently letting go of guilt and remorse.
Juanster23 8 months ago
@Juanster23 I agree 100%. She has to admit that you can't always fit into societal strains on how you are suppose to act, no one CAN be perfect. We set our own limits and boundaries, and being picture perfect morally isn't possible with happiness all of the time. We have to give ourselves some slack every once in a while because we're only human. It's okay to want and do things we aren't suppose to sometimes, we just have to accept it, truly rationalize it, and continue on; not dwell.
JLeaf311 4 months ago
It sure takes a skilled therapist to deal with this woman's issues.
chaotikmind 8 months ago
Carl Rogers was an influential American psychologist and among the founders of the Humanistic approach to psychology. Rogers is widely considered to be one of the founding fathers of psychotherapy research and was honored for his pioneering research with the Award for Distinguished Scientific Contributions by the American Psychological Association in 1956..
KingOfClassical 9 months ago
This is what I am studying atm. I am hoping to become a therapist myself.
Valiantgallifrey 9 months ago
@Valiantgallifrey me too. I just started the masters program for being a substance abuse conselor on Mon aug 23. I had to do a 10 min presentation on Carl Rogers Client Centered Therapy. I really wish I would have watched his videos 1st. The professor didn't seem too impressed with Rogers in relation to individual substance abuse counseling. The proff is more in favor of a directive approach as oppossed to the non directive approach of Rogers
dddevin69 6 months ago
i wish he was my grandpa
HandsomeSasquatch 9 months ago
I love this man
daveyfarrell 9 months ago
jiiizzz, rogers freakin rocks
olabau 9 months ago
just quit sleeping around...god it's not that hard
filthymaggot77 9 months ago
I know I am suppose to leave an educated comment but Damn she's HOT!!! And cute :-)
yeuuuuu 10 months ago 2
I love Carl Rogers, I feel that he was a completely genuine and sincere human being. This kind of therapy has so much impact on human beings. The only critical point I can make is that perhaps humanism is overly gentle. Here, Gloria repeatedly asks for direction, and Rogers does not comply. But perhaps that only helps her to self-direct herself. Maybe she just needs to hear her issues stated from another human being in order to resolve them herself.
AmsCamJams 1 year ago 2
@AmsCamJams we can see a bit of Fromm's theory in her actions as she may be attempting to escape the freedom that his approach allows, through constantly asking to be told what to do/think. I think the Rogerian method is INITIALLY the most uneasy for people because they aren't expecting such freedom & it's foreign to them. However, I still think once they get past the awkwardness of it, then it can turn out to be the best therapy for them, especially in resolving for themselves.
ThumbOfMeganFox 9 months ago
@AmsCamJams thank god for youtube and the net. It's one thing to read about Rogers and it's another to visually see him in action. I'm using vids like this in my masters of substance abuse classes. It's a masters program.
dddevin69 6 months ago
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GrayBlood1331 1 year ago
Hi Gloria, I am the don of counseling and we have 30 minutes together.....
Nenyana 1 year ago
Quite often our guilt is there for a reason. It usually means we're doing something wrong. Gloria just wants Rogers to tell her it's okay. But he doesn't.
knittin4u 1 year ago
There is much we can learn from Carl Rogers'supportive and patient presence. But sometimes our clients are in urgent need of good direction, such as this: "Gloria, don't talk about your sex life with your nine-year-old daughter."
dloftus11 1 year ago 2
@dloftus11 i think that wouldn't be good for the relation betwee therapist and client and you should never deny a child an honest, child appropriate answer if it has a question..
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Despite everything I've read about paraphrasing Rogers does it his own way and it works and comes across better than the text book paraphrasing. Very real and natural. I wish I could do it this way. He makes it look so easy.
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Am I the only one who saw Perl's session, read that Gloria's therapist was a disciple of Perl's and found this haunting: 0:48 but then watched the Perl session and thought she was enjoying the taunts.
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If you want to beat around the bush and never actually come to a conclusion, speak to a counciller or therapist.
Gloria needs to pull her head out of her arse and man up. Sleep around and do what you want and tell your kids what they need to know. Saved her and me an hour of boring therapy
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maduharshi 1 year ago
I love that at 4 minutes, he's already having her see that she's looking for unconditional positive regard.
buzamo 1 year ago
At 8 minutes Rogers summarises slightly differently to her, this creates a tension resulting in the need for further clarification from Rogers, and explanation from Gloria. Rogers drops his interpretation instantly, to understand where she is, and the helping relationship continues.
How do you all feel about Rogers tempo? Do you think the nods ad short encouraging words were too quick to allow him to speak, or adequately timed? She didn't seem uncomfortable with his tone or body language
revivalnow 1 year ago
Why are they saying he is a charletan. He seems like a very good therapist.
Guitarstring187 1 year ago
Mild-mannered Carl Rogers by day, evil train groper by night!
sanzoriver 1 year ago
Preciso de um video deste cara, mas com legenda em portugue! Alguem me ajuda?
AdilsonABC 1 year ago
Show information gathering, paraphrasing and the counselor attending and providing feedback and his own feeling to a question the client is asking.
xmi2wk 1 year ago
Reflection of thoughts and feelings, congruency, and unconditional positive regard are all good things and get at the desired effect. These are useful devices and I employ them daily, yet they leave us wanting for more. I use CBT to a great extent and combine it with the Rogerian approach. One can be a softer and gentler Ellis.
incarnadinelifestyle 1 year ago
I'd like to say it was interesting but i cant.
surfman72 1 year ago
whoda...
TheMimi90s 1 year ago
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Rogers was such a charlatan.
Balldez 1 year ago
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10 minutes of BS! I'm sorry but he is slow.
HoldupHen 1 year ago
she's doin most of the work
fateater77777 1 year ago
That's what's counselling is. Learning to be managing you're own problems, life!
mmenmms1 1 year ago
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which is exactly the atmosphere a therapist should create. a therapist should never do more work or nearly as much work as the ct.
jamesjdm 1 year ago
Carl rogers died when i was born in 1987 i really appreciate this mans character he gave his life to serve others in terrms of counseling. And he is extremely understanding and empathetic CARL ROGERS WAS THE MAN !!!!!
pochanguiano 1 year ago
"Aww you sound like you mean it... But I don't know where to go".
I guess there's a point where people need answers from someone who has studied and is able to present possible alternatives. Only really good thing about humanistic therapy is *honesty*, but if that's all, as it shows here, it is something you could only spend a few months training for. People deserve more.
Portubed 1 year ago
@Portubed that's the difference between counseling and therapy. counseling is advice giving. rogers is trying to get her to realize she has the power and knowledge to make her own choices and does not have to rely on others to make it for her
snarby21 11 months ago
I love Carl Rogers. The man was a genius at really communicating with people. Listen at 3:53, he reframes her concerns in such a way that goes right to the heart of the matter, and that, in itself, is therapeutic b/c it allows her to view what she is saying from another perspective.
deadpitbill 1 year ago
i kinda think this searching the past/self pity style of therapy is overrated. it makes the patient feel comforted temporarily but it ultimately just re-hashes events that are gone and no longer exist. i definetely prefer fritz perls' style of forcing a person to face the here and now without the support of their avoidance tactics
thesweenster85 1 year ago
@thesweenster85 amen. here and now, emotional encounters are far more powerful
snarby21 11 months ago
You may see this style as passive but it is the most effective therapy in counselling,. This is only listening to her story ''stage one'' and although progress is being made within the duration of this session the answers to her problems will be very clear to her very soon - study this and you will see this is so effective - proven better than any other style. The man is a mammoth in the field of therapy. Just look him up in the web,
seekyefirst 1 year ago
They only had half an hr together. This is only stage 1 of person centred counselling. The man's a genius. There was progress made here. The answers will come to her over the span of their periods spent. - This style of therapy seems very passive and resigning but in actual fact it's really effective.
seekyefirst 1 year ago
I think that it would be nice to be helped by someone with more answers for my problems. Like the lady who is being counseled said "you're just going to let me stew in this problem. I want you to help me with it". If I feel like I'm having a problem that I can't overcome myself and I go to get help from a professional about it, I want more than to just be understood, I want some suggestions on how I can deal with my issues and potentially resolve them. Carl Rogers is too passive for me.
honeykiss37 2 years ago
@honeykiss37 the point of counselling is not to give you the answers but to give you the tools and space to find your own answers. if someone just hands you the answers then how do you grow as a person and cope with the things that you face in everyday life?
saoirse56 1 year ago 7
So, you want to learn without learning?
Your experiences are only yours so why would someone solve your life?
Life is not meant to be easy.
If you want suggestions on how to deal with your problem go to your local church and ask the priest.
Wayavas1337 1 year ago
This is my first exposure to Carl Rogers aside from quotes and short paragraphs.I absolutely love his style. Thanks for putting this on youtube.
I'm a Human Services major at a community college.
unclebaldyfoureyes 2 years ago 6
A lot of Gloria's problems seem to be due to societies views on divorced women at the time.
mikeyo1234 2 years ago 7
True dat, society is a monster
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@mikeyo1234 its more than divorce its her parents roles that are replaying them selves in her relationship
Guitarstring187 1 year ago
Gloria wants answers that are within herself. She sounds like a wonderful mother who just wants to protect her daughter whilst exploring her own desires.
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IrbyTruthPublishing 3 months ago
Carl Rogers! padre del counseling! molto piacere io sono Chiara e sono una counselor! mi auguro una carriera come la tua maestro!
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pawelgrom 2 years ago
she was great talking about her problems and describing it like that I couldn;t do that she was so relaxed as well...I;d be so nervous and my mind would go blank lol.
faithoffaith 2 years ago
Humanist therapists do that: whan you're in front of them, you feel totally comftable and you start pouring yourself out, and you can FEEL he/she (in my case she) UNDERSTANDS you, and you can trust him/her. They create this atmosphere. They're very well trained in empathy.
LesPaul2006 2 years ago 42
you have a very good input.... =)
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seekyefirst 2 years ago 23
It's my honest opinion that Gloria only needed to balance both sides of her life, instead of feeling guilty about one, and good about the other. Her desires were completely normal, but also were a private part of her overall persona that she should have only lived by in that mode of her life.
+Thanks for video. This Carl Roger guy knows how to speak - will find out more about him.
Juefawn 2 years ago
Dr. Venture was an excellent therapist.
daviddeacon 2 years ago
OMFG LOLZ !!!!!
MellofeverKrazy 2 years ago
It's important to remember that some people experience Person Centred counselling as beneficial & others experience it as useless. There's no right or wrong answers, there are different experiences. Different counselling can be experienced in different ways, by different people, for different issues at different times in their life. The experience you have says more about you than it does about the counselling. I just think it's great that this video is available to watch on here!
foxphil83 2 years ago
There are some dreadfully uninformed comments here, particularly from Biscuit213 and Balldez. Thankfully, bodinnder knows what s/he is talking about. This client entered therapy voluntarilly and had three different models to draw conclusions from. Also, a client arriving at their own solutions is far more empowering than 'answers' from supposed 'experts' could ever be. Rogers empowers his clients. 'Experts' empower themselves. Client testamony shows Rogerian counselling has helped thousands.
Spion62 2 years ago 3
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Voluntary does not necessarily equal ethical. imho, they were thinking more about themselves than they were about Gloria. They needed to compare styles and the best way for them to do that was to have the same client interviewed by all 3. Their egos were more important to them than Gloria's well being. They were competing with each other and Gloria was a victim of their competitive natures.
Biscuit213 2 years ago
The thing is, only by comparing and contrasting can we (clients and therapists) find out what suits people best. As a therapist myself I realise that different people respond to different methods. When I was also a client in the past, by seeing how I responded to different approaches I found what worked best for me. In Gloria's case, we have to respect her autonomy. She willingly took part, presumably after what was on offer was fully explained to her. That is ethical.
Spion62 2 years ago 2
Continuing from last reply to Buiscuit...
As far as ethicts in therapy is concerned, the therapists have done nothing wrong. However, your own personal ethics may not fit with that notion. Fair enough. We all have to ask ourselves where we draw our boundaries. If the egos of therapists were indeed central here, then that is not a good thing at all. But I'm not personally sure this was the case. Anyway, I respect your opinion, even if I don't share it. Perspectives will always differ.
Spion62 2 years ago
I tend to disagree, although you make a good argument. However your argument assumes that Gloria was searching for a type of therapy which I don't think was the case. I heard that she was actually the client of the therapist who did the exit interview with her at the end of the video (if you remember from when you were in school). That being the case, she was convinced, more or less, by her therapist to participate in this video. That in and of itself is unethical right there.
Biscuit213 2 years ago
Continued from last reply to Spion...
Furthermore, she had to at least feel slightly used after the video was made because of this reason. And if the three therapist had knowledge of how Gloria got "selected" for this video, well then that incriminates all three of them in the using of this woman.
Biscuit213 2 years ago
If Gloria took part of her own free will then I'm ok with it personally. However, if she was somehow manipulated into taking part then it would be a different matter altogether. I've no way of knowing the truth of that, though. It's a hard one to call, seeing as neither of us are in full possession of the facts. I do see your point, though, and I understand where you are coming from on this. I'll leave it there I think. Thanks for your replies. ;)
Spion62 2 years ago 3
@Spion62 Ive noticed that in the gestalt therapy video with gloria that he seemed to be a dick but i think there was a method there. I think he was attacking her self scene of always sabotage he seems to to be forcibly breaking it. In the other video.
Guitarstring187 1 year ago
@Guitarstring187 Yeah he was getting her to come out of her phony, presenting self and act with a genuine feeling, even if it was anger. He was promoting differentiation, getting her to be able to see that she is a strong self separate from the counselor and that she can stick up for her needs and be on an equal plane with others. Also, that it is okay to be angry/assertive.
snarby21 11 months ago
It's called "research" get over it Biscuit213
Harzburgitic 2 years ago 3
Rogers never helped anyone. Gloria was looking for a solution and counsel from an expert but she got bullshit.
Balldez 2 years ago
Therapy can't find instant answers for anyone,... therapy is usaually based on the client finding the answers for themselves with the aid of the therapist,... besides the fact that psychiatry is an in exact science! Carl Rodgers actually helped thousands of people and has one of the most practical down to earth types of therapy that exists today.
bodinnder 2 years ago
Rogers had people babble about their neurosis and that was a about it. Egoistic people love to babble about themselves. People are looking for solutions and Rogers had none. Defining and re-defining the problem doesn't help.
If Rogers could not tell a parent how to talk to a kid about the birds and the bees he was not too bright.
Balldez 2 years ago
@Balldez "Egoistic people love to babble about themselves". Okay, so what were Gloria and the other people supposed to do in this case? Talk about Rogers so they are not viewed as egoistical? That's what they're there for. To talk about their problems so that they can receive help.
Ignozi 1 year ago
you have to read "Living with the Gloria Films" written 2007 by gloria's daughter! If you say the same after reading it then we'll know you're not just teasing us 'believers' ;)
njagala 2 years ago
Poor woman had to sit through three therapy sessions with three different therapists (Rogers, Ellis, & Perls) who each had totally different approaches to therapy. Her head must have been spinning afterwards. Now I ask, is that ethical?
Biscuit213 2 years ago
No it's not ethical biscuit 123, that's another thing wrong with quacks, they love to experiment on guinea pigs every day they don't care they just want money.
nadsab1 2 years ago
nadsab, well for these guys it wasn't about money, they were out to promote their own style of therapy, but I don't think that this is ethical nevertheless. They should have had different "guinea pigs" for each therapist. It sounds like you've had some bad experience with therapists in your past?
Biscuit213 2 years ago
And most of them are QUACKS nadsab.
Balldez 2 years ago
Is it Ethical?? If she was a guinea pig then she willingly volunteered,... so ethics are not really an issue,... as far as Carl Rodgers being a quack,... definitively not,... but again it's based on your perception of psychothereapy and psychotherapists.
bodinnder 2 years ago
Firstly, she was a willing volunteer and secondly she got free sessions with some of the leading psychotherapists of that time and who's teachings are still widely used today!
bodinnder 2 years ago
She was a guinea pig whom they needed to experiment on in order to make a point about their style of therapy. They could have easily had 3 different people assume the client role, but instead they chose one person. They were thinking more about their needs than hers. That is what I call unethical.
Biscuit213 2 years ago
even back then I'm sure she signed a release and knew exactly what she was doing
offcenteredpotter 2 years ago
It's not about her knowing what she was doing. It's about them knowing what they were doing. As therapists they have ethical standards to live up to. It's always about putting the clients needs first when it comes to therapy. However, here they chose to put their needs first. It's kind of like enveloping their ethical examples of therapy within an unethical scientific method of comparison of theories. That's the part I find unethical. No one's perfect, not even these therapist/theorists.
Biscuit213 2 years ago 3
The idea is to provide a comfortable environment for the client to realize their own emotions and figure out what is good for them to do. Rogers believes that all people know what is good for them when they are in touch with their actualizing tendency. He creates a comfortable environment so that the client can reach that actualizing tendency.
raggeddollie 2 years ago 2
Hi getfitdit, good point but you know tubegirl sounds like a know it all. Humanistic approach is not her suite she must be from the Freud school of thought...I mean Fraud way of sitting on the coach and "tell me bout your mother" B. S. offcourse we can't just assume that she doesnt know anything about therapy or will be labelled as arrogant as well. LOL
afroscar 2 years ago
Seems clear that a 9 year old girl would be adversely effected by knowing her mom is having sex with men. Why couldn't he tell her that. She is a good mom trusting her instincts and protecting her children. Seems obvious.
Tubengirl 2 years ago
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What sort of person discuss sex with a nine year old, pheadophile haahahahahahahahaha, pheadophile... ...counceling looks like a relly easy job =)
alexd9999999 2 years ago
yea right, its just his technique of councelling. He lets the client talk the most possible just to be able to get answers to it. U need to know a lot about the human mind to be able to decode others. He definately has an interesting way tho.
mwbeaver 2 years ago
u do know who carl rogers is? how amusing and arrogant of u to amuse u would know better than him. he doesnt tell her anything because he wants her to find the answer within herself
getfitdit 2 years ago
because Carl Rogers and all good coun sellors NEVER tell a client what to do ...this particular therapy is 'person centered'...the theory is that the client already knows the answers to their problem or issue - all the counsellor does is mirror what the client says and help to untangle the confusion and ask the client to think about options and things they could do ..eventually the answers will come ...but a counsellor never tells a client what to do or what to think , they are both equals
mark871162 2 years ago 7
Man I think I should go into this, I do a similar thing with my drunk friends on regular occasions, hahaha it's funny how people take the pheadophille comment, but when I was nine I didn't even know about sex, I knew about storks... ...
alexd9999999 2 years ago 2
Teaching children about sex should be a standard. It does no service to a young child to say that babies are delivered to parents via storks, nor does it do them any good to avoid their honest and innocent inquiries to their origins.
Now, there is a bit of tact involved in teaching children this. One wouldn't go and explain the gritty details of sexual endeavors to a youngster, but would rather teach them to understand the results of the action; also that sex would become clearer over time.
SenariXarn 2 years ago
Yeah good points... ...I feel thwe same way about telling children about Santa, I mean your just blatently lying to your children and telling them theres this guy who can see them at all times and is judging their actions, and at the end of the year he sneaks into everyones houses and gives them prizes related to their performance.. ...it's fucking sick!
alexd9999999 2 years ago
"Seems Clear?" Hardly. Sex is not violent or harmful if done consensually. What prudishness makes you think anyone, of any age, would be "adversely effected" by knowing about sex? What about having an open and honest relationship with one's children? "Seems obvious" that she's "protecting her children?" No, it seems obvious that she's lying to them. Stop underestimating children, they're perfectly capable of handling and understanding the real world if given a chance.
mantricspork 2 years ago
I've been waiting and waiting for someone to post the rest of Roger's and Gloria session. It looks like the waiting finally paid off. Thank you, from someone who cares about something other than an argument over ethics.
HaywireOnFire213 2 years ago
I have just come across these Gloria/ Rogers videos on you tube. The very first question in my mind, apart from how interesting it is, was the ethical implications. How difficult it can be to be so intimate with an unknown therapist, then add in the public viewing to that, and magnify it by a thousand.
ie, Was Gloria aware of the implications of this recording when she did it, was she consulted afterwards, and shown the film, and given the choice to veto it?
yours, violin
hjrobins 2 years ago
the title of the book with all the answers written by glorias daughter in 2008 is Living with the Gloria films
xrnts 2 years ago 3
any change of views since reading the book by glorias daughter pamela j burry?
people have strong views i wonder what effect the truth has had.
xrnts 3 years ago
glorias daughter asked in her book( living with the gloria films )for the tapes not to be viewed by the general public. buying the book might redress the balance slightly as the book is directly from the daughter. how fantasic to have a mother so concerned to have told a lie to her daughter! an obviously intelligent women doing her very best to be the best she can be, loved the book. absolutly brillant. thank you for writting it.
xrnts 3 years ago
The purpose of this approach is to get the client to come to their own conclusion to their problems. Carls questions may seem irrelavent (or repetative) but they are necessary as we can see, Gloria, is opening up more. Carl is basically pulling out her inner truths, or potential for actualisation, which he believes every human being has, in order for her to come to her own conclusions to her problems. Better than Frued...possibly?
propertymania 3 years ago
gilch, it's printed on the cover of the video. i'm a trainee psychotherapist, we've viewed all of the gloria tapes in class and this was brought to our attention by the tutor of each therapeutic approach represented in the video. As were the devestating consequences these films had on Gloria's family.
regards R.
rosielou13 3 years ago
?? theres lots of rumours about the bad effects of the sessions. the truth is in pammys book - living with the gloria films. amazing and brillant
xrnts 3 years ago
he doesnt seem to be helping her AT ALL. thats why this type of therapy isnt widely practiced by most psychotherapists. just repeating back in your own way all the things the client says to you isnt going to help anyone. it definately wouldnt make me feel any better if i was having problems in my life --it would just annoy the fuck outta me
SystemXpander 3 years ago
From my own professional experience, I know that some people will go into a counseling session just wanting to get things off their chest, to vent. But, you are correct with your assumption that he is not helping her here. She's too comfortable and not taking an active role in her own process of change. We shouldn't fully discount Rogers though. There is a lot of good points to his theories.
Gilch30 3 years ago
You sound convinced that he doesn't seem to be helping her, you also seeem to have an opinion on what is helpful and what is not, and you sound as if because you feel it is not helpful you may be concluding it isnt. am I getting it right?
dalemano 3 years ago
I feel that Rogers offers a lot of crucial and important skills that a counselor needs. I feel that he fails to take that next stop in his own method. There are moments here where he could expand and delve into her psyche, yet he wont go that extra mile.
Gilch30 3 years ago
You seem once again to feel capable or judging what is right and what is wrong. as if the purpose of the demonstration is to judge what is good or better . You also seem to feel that Rogers did not go the extra mile as you understand it. You seem to struggle with making a non judgmental observation of a process involving 2 persons Rogers and Gloria, as an outsider to the process
dalemano 3 years ago
I am not trying to be judgemental. Maybe I am beacause, through my own work and study, Rogers has not always been the most respected. I do take a lot of the skills that Rogers brings to the process. My goal though is to be totally present and also give the client that cognitive dissonance they need to change.
Gilch30 3 years ago
You seem to be saying that you have some awareness of how your work and study has influenced your feelings towards Rogers work. You also seem to be saying that Rogers ' work was not popular amongs the people you worked and study with. You also say you are not trying to be judgmental but that maybe you are because of what you were exposed to as a student and worker
dalemano 3 years ago
He said in the beginning that his goal for the session was to demonstrate how to create the right therapeutic atmosphere (unconditional regard, etc.). Person-centered therapy works by making people slowly accept themselves without mental distortions, so they can then change. It takes a while. By the end of 25 minutes Gloria says she wished she had a father like him, so he achieved his goal. Futher sessions would have yielded much progress.
JosephOD 3 years ago
great comment.
dalemano 3 years ago
you sound upset and angry at the video. You also seem to feel the approach would be useless for helping you and that you would get furious if a therapist spoke to you this way. You also seem to be saying that you would find it more useful if someone solved your problems whenever you may have them, right?
dalemano 3 years ago
Maybe you are unaware that all of the Gloria sessions are licenced for viewing only in colleges or counsellor training centres, not on a public website. Gloria's family have suffered terribly from the publicity received since the release of this tape. Since it is now protected you should respect that licence and Gloria's family by removing it and the other sessions from here. It is highly unethical and unfair.
Regards R.
rosielou13 3 years ago
I did not know it was licensed to only colleges and training centers. Very interesting. Where did you find out this information?
Gilch30 3 years ago
Actually, the tapes are not licenced. No wrong doing here. read my comment
dalemano 3 years ago
How old is her family?
SkunkyBeaumont 3 years ago
I'm not sure.I think at the time of filming her daughter was about 10 & her son about 8 so maybe early 40's. Her daugher was at a person centered conference in Anglia last summer & said how difficult it was for her growing up with this film hanging over.she supports it being shown in colleges but appealed again for it not to be shown outside. clearly wasting my time appealing to the poster of the video here though. I thought it would be taken down by now. I won't say anymore.
Regards R.
rosielou13 3 years ago
Actually, the tapes were never licensed for academic viewing only. In fact , these tapes were never registered or comercialized by a distributor. I know, because years ago, I completed a fellowship training program with one of the professors directly involved in the making of this historically monumental project. So from a legal stand point it is not illegal to post it. As for ethics, Gloria herself consented to the showing of the tapes,
dalemano 3 years ago